Wii Zapper - Gen. Discussion & Info

[RelentlessRolento]

Didn't see it anywhere, but good to talk about.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2007/07/umbrellachronicles.jpg

It's $20 and people say it's not worth it, but people forget it will be packaged with a game that Nintendo didn't unveil yet. My money is on a new duck hunt.

[EXStrike]

I think it would be interesting.

I like the way you hold it. Good for poses, although I wish the nunchuk part of it was connected over the top instead of the bottom, but I don't think that would be practical.

[CouRageouS]

Why not? $20 I'll at least buy one. Okay thats a lie, I'll at least buy 2.

[Scrubking]

Hey, that picture shows the reticle pretty aligned with the wiimote. I wonder how they did that? Also that guy's holding it wrong.

Anyway, $20 for a SMG type wiimote gun shell and game (Duck Hunt), is very good. Third party places are selling just the shell for $20 and most of them are super cheap plastic and break in two seconds.

Anyway, if you custom build a plastic stock to reach your shoulder the zapper will be even more awesome. Then maybe paint it or something.

http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/thumb_zapper_0706.jpg (http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/photos/zapper_0706.jpg)

[Lan_Zer0]

I wish the nunchuck was detachable, so it could just be a handgun + nunchuck. Unless it controls like a light gun, I can only imagine controlling a pointer on screen to be awkward, and certainly not more immersive than a separate mote n chuck.

[lanleague]

Looks like cheap crap to me. Serisouly, how is this any better than the junk Brando has been making? Maybe it would be more impressive if the nuchuk portion was built in.

[Magehart]

Geez, it would've been so easy to replicate this lil bugger:
http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/imgs/p90.jpg

[WiiNet]

Crap-- that's going to take me 20 minutes just to string the nunchuck wire into the zapper... maybe, I'd really like to see how to cord hooks in.

And this better work with my rechargeable Nyko battery covers.

[buttle]

I wish the nunchuck was detachable, so it could just be a handgun + nunchuck. Unless it controls like a light gun, I can only imagine controlling a pointer on screen to be awkward, and certainly not more immersive than a separate mote n chuck.


i agree. something more like a pistol. i can't see playing a game for any length with my arms in that awkward position. and i know you won't exactly be pointing the controller at the screen. with my tv, the cursor never lines up perfectly to what you're aiming at. which is fine. but it makes a gun less advantagous.

[chodax]

Geez, it would've been so easy to replicate this lil bugger


or this

http://x3x.tc/zmg/archives/bazooka.jpg

[RelentlessRolento]

or this:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~suhopdu/cannon-side.jpg

[spiwak]

Looks pretty cheap, yea, but what do you expect out of something that's just meant to hold the remote? You're not going to be throwing it around or stomping on it, I assume.

[Scrubking]

Also that guy's holding it wrong.

:dunce:

[CouRageouS]

Geez, it would've been so easy to replicate this lil bugger:
http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/imgs/p90.jpg
I have that. The BBs always get stuck in the chamber and it rattles like a bitch.

[hohez]

I'd be more excited if the nunchuck went in the front and the trigger area was on the back side of the gun. Would hold much more naturally then. Regardless, it's going to be packaged with cheap game, I'll be getting it.

[Judhudson]

Looks alright to me, I'm in for one.

[chimpian]

id pick it up if it came with a wii sports-type mini games to use with the gun, that would be awesome

[spiwak]

id pick it up if it came with a wii sports-type mini games to use with the gun, that would be awesome
I think the consensus is it's coming with Wii Duck Hunt.

[Cyb3-rr]

http://www.fileshack.com/file.x/10764/Resident+Evil:+Umbrella+Chronicles+-+Zapper+Trailer

I watched this Umbrella Chronicles/Zapper trailer on the G4 press conference coverage, and it makes it look like it can function as a light gun. At one point, the woman is holding it up to her face with one eye closed like she's directly shooting at the screen instead of using a recticle. Maybe it's just false hope and the trailer is misleading. If not, that would be quite awesome.

[buttle]

http://www.fileshack.com/file.x/10764/Resident+Evil:+Umbrella+Chronicles+-+Zapper+Trailer

I watched this Umbrella Chronicles/Zapper trailer on the G4 press conference coverage, and it makes it look like it can function as a light gun. At one point, the woman is holding it up to her face with one eye closed like she's directly shooting at the screen instead of using a recticle. Maybe it's just false hope and the trailer is misleading. If not, that would be quite awesome.

hmm, i'm tempted to think it's false hope. but that's very good news if it's true.

[CoffeeEdge]

Um, okay, what are you guys talking about? A couple of you are expressing doubt that it's a "light gun." If that ain't a light gun, then what the hell is it, prey tell? Please, enlighten me.

Anyways, I don't think it looks cheap at all. It looks pretty solid to me, and for $20 with a game, that's a hell of a good deal.

Also, is it just me, or was the woman in the video at the Zapper unveiling at Nintendo's press event really cross-eyed?

[dmaul1114]

Um, okay, what are you guys talking about? A couple of you are expressing doubt that it's a "light gun." If that ain't a light gun, then what the hell is it, prey tell? Please, enlighten me.


Light guns sense light from the screen, thus they are very accurate as to where you are aiming.

The Wiimote isn't as accurate, if you notice moving the cursor around the screen, it's seldom ever exactly where you are pointing on the TV, especially if you have a big TV. It's fairly close but not spot on.

Thus to aim, you have to have a cursor on the screen (think the red dot in Zelda) to be able to tell where you are aiming. Unlike a light gun where you can just aim with site on the gun etc. with nothing on the screen.

All the Zapper is, is a shell for the Wiimote and nunchuck, so it won't be a light gun. All it will be is a different way to aim the Wiimote and move an aiming cursor/reticle around the screen.

To many, that's not as appealing as a true light gun as it takes the challenge out of aiming, which was the appeal of light gun games like Duck Hunt, Point Blank etc.

[botticus]

Oh, there's a link in the Ghost Squad thread that Sega is allowing you to calibrate the remote so you can use it as a light gun (specifically discussing the Zapper).

[Lan_Zer0]

Yea, I'm very happy about that. My hope now is that RE incorporates that too. I'm ok with cursors when just using the wiimote, but if I have a gun shell I better be able to shoot and aim like a gun.

[EXStrike]

You have to calibrate any normal light gun anyway, so that's not too surprising.

[dmaul1114]

Well that's good news, and makes it more likely that I'll pick up a Zapper!

[Lan_Zer0]

You have to calibrate any normal light gun anyway, so that's not too surprising.

It's the first confirmation of calibrated controls that makes this exciting. I've been worried that developer's would all go the way of onscreen cursors and call them gun games.

[CoffeeEdge]

Oh. Well DUH it's just a shell. Jeez, people.

[dallow]

Oh. Well DUH it's just a shell. Jeez, people.Not gonna respond to the rest of the comment?


I'm really curious as to how you're going to use this as a light gun.
On the Wii play shooting games, is there a cursor?

[wowimsocute]

I'd be more excited if the nunchuck went in the front and the trigger area was on the back side of the gun. Would hold much more naturally then.

i completely agree. the trigger should have been in the rear. someone suggested that you could use the z button as a trigger, but if it is going to be a trigger, make it trigger-like.

a pistol alternative might be more useful than this.

[Lan_Zer0]

I'm really curious as to how you're going to use this as a light gun.
On the Wii play shooting games, is there a cursor?

Yes there is a cursor, its like playing a light gun game with a mouse.

For actual light gun controls, the wiimote can function like any other LCD light gun, calibration for your shooting position.

[Zen Davis]

The fact that two of the big announcement were plastic shells, it's like Nintendo wasn't even trying this year.

[Cyb3-rr]

I have to wonder if the new wiifit pad would work with a game like Police 911, where you can move around and duck behind cover. That combined with a calibrated zapper would make an awesome experience, and a great workout.

[trq]

The fact that two of the big announcement were plastic shells, it's like Nintendo wasn't even trying this year.

Who was, really?

[spiwak]

Who was, really?
Well, Sony tried, but didn't try hard enough as far as I'm concerned.

And they were the only ones really needing it, anyway. Microsoft can ride their big franchises for the year and Nintendo can just keep doing what they already are.

[Scrubking]

Well this video
http://gamevideos.com/video/id/13145

Shows that RE:UC at this point does not support the zapper (my definition of support). The main firing button is clrearly the B button for which you have to use the front trigger, and also have to hold the gun akwardly if you are right handed.

The zapper was just announced so maybe they will fix this and put the primary fire on the back of the gun (like every other gun in existence).

I'm not too worried though because I know someone will eventually come along and make a kick ass shell if the zapper ends up a dud.

[AmigoOne]

Wow, thats the first time I've seen a bullpup configuration that doesnt seem ergonomic, even if its not even a real gun..

[Vinny]

I really don't like the design... it looks horrible and uncomfortable. They should have made it one handed and only cradled the Wiimote- that would've been best. I doubt most light-gun based games would need the nunchuk and if they did, I would've preferred it to be free from the light-gun.

[bigdaddy]

It's... weird.

It looks like two Nintendo designers were agrueing between making it a shotgun or a hand gun and they came up with this 50/50 split.

[seanr1221]

I'll most likely buy it, I think it looks pretty cool and the price is right.

[Cyb3-rr]

If you don't like the design and just want a gun shell for the Wiimote, buy this:

http://www.penguinunited.com/proddetail.php?prod=PU040

I'm sure everyone's heard about it. I think it looks better than every other gun shell in the pipeline.

[Vinny]

I'll probably buy it too since its only $20 and comes with a game (I'm assuming it's something very simple) because I figure I can just use the Wiimote and nunchuk without having to use the Zapper cradle.

[buttle]

If you don't like the design and just want a gun shell for the Wiimote, buy this:

http://www.penguinunited.com/proddetail.php?prod=PU040

I'm sure everyone's heard about it. I think it looks better than every other gun shell in the pipeline.

i'd forgotten about that one. that one looks really good to me. i'd like to read a review someplace. but i like how it looks.

edit- i found a review here. http://gadgets.fosfor.se/wii-light-gun/ if i get a gun shell, i'm getting this one.

[Radioactive_Man]

Wii Zapper is going to be bundled with a Legend of Zelda bow and arrow/cross bow game.


You heard it here first.

[Zingela]

Wii Zapper is going to be bundled with a Legend of Zelda bow and arrow/cross bow game.


You heard it here first.
Damn, I was about to post this earlier when my guy called me after the conference, but figured it wasn't that huge of a deal. Though I suppose it IS Zelda.

Retails for $19.99, Zapper+Crossbow Training disc.

[foltzie]

Wii Zapper is going to be bundled with a Legend of Zelda bow and arrow/cross bow game.


You heard it here first.

Or Ars: http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/09/09/nintendo-announces-wii-zapper-pack-in-zelda-crossbow-training

[Scrubking]

Wii Zapper is going to be bundled with a Legend of Zelda bow and arrow/cross bow game.


You heard it here first.

I'll wait to hear it from Nintendo.

[daroga]

When is this supposed to hit? I need more empty plastic in my coffee table storage.

[lilboo]

Who knew there was another Zelda game being made..??
Man, I wanted this Zapper for when Umbrella Chronicles came out!

This is what I want to know: Will it be "Zelda Cross Bow Training WITH Wii Zapper!" OR will it be "Wii Zapper with Zelda Cross Bow Training!"

Because the title of that can determine the price :(
If it's the Wii Zapper, and they ad a bonus pack of this Zelda CT..it can still be $20. But a game w/ an accessory..can be $50..or even $60 (thanks, Boogie..)

[botticus]

Who knew there was another Zelda game being made..??
Man, I wanted this Zapper for when Umbrella Chronicles came out!

This is what I want to know: Will it be "Zelda Cross Bow Training WITH Wii Zapper!" OR will it be "Wii Zapper with Zelda Cross Bow Training!"

Because the title of that can determine the price :(
If it's the Wii Zapper, and they ad a bonus pack of this Zelda CT..it can still be $20. But a game w/ an accessory..can be $50..or even $60 (thanks, Boogie..)It'll be $20, the game is a pack-in with the accessory.

I will one day understand the logic of pairing a crossbow game with a gun shell. Unless they're attempting to get people to think outside the box beyond the obvious gun uses.

[KingBroly]

I hate Nintendo when they do stuff like this.

But sadly, I'll probably get it now.

Bastards.

[lilboo]

It'll be $20, the game is a pack-in with the accessory.

I will one day understand the logic of pairing a crossbow game with a gun shell. Unless they're attempting to get people to think outside the box beyond the obvious gun uses.

Ok, nice! $20 for a shell + game is good times.
I too thought it was kind of weird..Zelda Cross Bow game with a Tommy Gun?! This would be a perfect accessory for RE:UC, IMO. Most videos I've seen of the game, seemed to show off this accessory.

I'll accept a Zelda game. I guess a Zelda mini-game is something new & refreshing! Either way, I'm still getting it :)

[botticus]

Ok, nice! $20 for a shell + game is good times.
I too thought it was kind of weird..Zelda Cross Bow game with a Tommy Gun?! This would be a perfect accessory for RE:UC, IMO. Most videos I've seen of the game, seemed to show off this accessory.

I'll accept a Zelda game. I guess a Zelda mini-game is something new & refreshing! Either way, I'm still getting it :)Japan, at least, is getting a UC/zapper bundle, not sure if that is the case in the US as well (if it is, it'll be $50 game plus $20 zapper).

[dallow]

Why is Link using a crossbow now?

[Callandor]

The Great Fairy must have upgraded his bow.

[lilboo]

Maybe Link ends up meetin Buffy and they go slayin together?!

Side Note: A Buffy the Vampire Slayer on rails crossbow game is making me mad because it'll never happen now.

[KingBroly]

The Great Fairy must have upgraded his bow.

The Great Fairy is a GUY!? SPOILERZ!!!:roll:

Sorry, couldn't help myself there.

[Kaijufan]

I would have guessed that the pack in game was going to be a Duck Hunt remake, not some Zelda Crossbow game.
Maybe Link ends up meetin Buffy and they go slayin together?!

Side Note: A Buffy the Vampire Slayer on rails crossbow game is making me mad because it'll never happen now.
I wish that Fox would make a Buffy game for the Wii, where we could use the Wiimote as a steak to kill vampires (combat could just be button presses for all I care). If the vampire is standing up when you steak him you have to thrust the Wiimote forward, if he's on the ground you have to thrust it towards the ground.

[GizmoGC]

When is the Zapper suppose to come out?

[lilboo]

I wish that Fox would make a Buffy game for the Wii, where we could use the Wiimote as a steak to kill vampires (combat could just be button presses for all I care). If the vampire is standing up when you steak him you have to thrust the Wiimote forward, if he's on the ground you have to thrust it towards the ground.

I completely agree, however, I'd rather use this:
http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/AUTOIMAGES/PM75010.jpg

I say this, because I don't know how much damage

http://www.onlinecooking.net/news/NewsImages/steak.jpg

this would do? :-k

:rofl: Simple mistake, but i thought it was funny! But seriously, a Buffy game for the Wii = NEEDS. Even if they ported the original xbox version over..just gave it some wii remote action and it could still be good, as that game was pretty solid anyway!

[ArthurDigbySellers]

I completely agree, however, I'd rather use this:


I say this, because I don't know how much damage

http://www.onlinecooking.net/news/NewsImages/steak.jpg

this would do? :-k

:rofl: Simple mistake, but i thought it was funny! But seriously, a Buffy game for the Wii = NEEDS. Even if they ported the original xbox version over..just gave it some wii remote action and it could still be good, as that game was pretty solid anyway!

What if that delicious, juicy steak was marinated in garlic sauce?

[lilboo]

What if that delicious, juicy steak was marinated in garlic sauce?

Then you have just proven me wrong! :applause:

Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Garlic Steak Edition

[Kaijufan]

I completely agree, however, I'd rather use this:
http://www.entertainmentearth.com/images/AUTOIMAGES/PM75010.jpg

I say this, because I don't know how much damage

http://www.onlinecooking.net/news/NewsImages/steak.jpg

this would do? :-k

:rofl: Simple mistake, but i thought it was funny! But seriously, a Buffy game for the Wii = NEEDS. Even if they ported the original xbox version over..just gave it some wii remote action and it could still be good, as that game was pretty solid anyway! :D Well a bloody steak might be a good way to distract vampires.

[CouRageouS]

I will one day understand the logic of pairing a crossbow game with a gun shell. Unless they're attempting to get people to think outside the box beyond the obvious gun uses.
Maybe Duck Hunt will come with the crossbow shell or bow and arrow attachment?

[Callandor]

The Great Fairy is a GUY!? SPOILERZ!!!:roll:

Sorry, couldn't help myself there.

By "his," I meant Link's.

Fail for you for being stupid, and fail for me for not being clear.

[lilboo]

It's been confirmed. 11/19 for $19.99
This is nice! I'll def be picking up 2, and probably selling one of the games since I plan on using both Zappers for co-op in RE:UC

[Scrubking]

The only reason I can see why Nintendo did this was because they had this game or demo sitting around somewhere and decided to throw it in with the zapper to save time/money.

In any case I don't really care because I'm not buying the zapper for this game. It's just a nice bonus if it's good.

[chenchen]

$20 isn't too bad of a price considering it'll come with a game. This whole zapper bundled with a Zelda game is still one giant wth to me (when does Link use a crossbow?!), but I'll probably end getting it. I hope it'll work with RE4.

[dallow]

Thank ya kindly GAF.

BOX ART:
http://i6.tinypic.com/65z5086.jpg

INFO:

Link's Crossbow Training™
Format: Wii™
Launch Date: 11/19/07
ESRB: T (Teen): Fantasy Violence
Game Type: Shooting
Accessories: Wii Zapper™ – included (requires Wii Remote™ and Nunchuk™)
Players: 1-4 (turn-based)
Developer: EAD


KEY INFORMATION
Link returns from The Legend of Zelda®: Twilight Princess to pick up the Wii Zapper and take aim at a host of targets in this shooting-gallery-style game.

* Anyone can pick up the Wii Zapper and become a master marksman in the quick-play shooting galleries of Link's Crossbow Training. Dozens of fast-paced stages offer a wide variety of game play, from shooting stationary targets to defending a supply wagon from onrushing hordes of enemies. Multiplayer modes let players and their friends share a Wii Zapper to shoot for the high score.

* Link's Crossbow Training comes bundled with the Wii Zapper. After a few rounds of Link's Crossbow Training, players will be more than ready to pick up any of the future Wii Zapper titles, like Medal of Honor Heroes™ 2, Ghost Squad™ and Resident Evil®: The Umbrella Chronicles.

Using the Wii Zapper: The Wii Zapper requires the Wii Remote and Nunchuk, housing both in a comfortable and intuitive frame. The control stick on the Nunchuk controls player movement (on stages that allow player movement), while simply aiming the Wii Zapper moves the targeting reticule on the screen. Pulling the trigger fires Link's crossbow. By aiming off screen, players can turn Link to face in a new direction (again, on stages that allow this).

Link's Crossbow Training contains three basic game styles: target shooting, defender and ranger. There are 27 stages in total, and these categories represent only generally how each individual stage operates. Each stage's goal is to earn the highest score possible within the time limit. All rounds can be played with multiple players: Players pass the Wii Zapper around and then play one at a time and compete for the high score.

Target Shooting: In target-shooting rounds, players shoot bull's-eyes as they pop up on the screen. In early stages, targets are stationary. As the game difficulty increases in later levels, the targets move. Hitting the center of the bull's-eye nets more points, and hitting targets in succession without missing earns combo multipliers. Link can aim anywhere on the screen.

Defender: In defender rounds, players remain stationary but can look and aim in all directions - sometimes even in a full 360 degrees - by aiming off screen. Hordes of enemies assault Link, and he must fight them off. These battles have a great deal of variety, from fighting off skeletons in a desert to defending a wagon from boar-riding Bokoblins.

Ranger: In ranger rounds, players can move throughout the level using the control stick and aim anywhere they want by aiming the Wii Zapper wherever they want to look. In these missions, Link storms enemy encampments, fights his way through a forest and seeks out his foes while exploring the environments.

[botticus]

Sounds like a worthwhile pack-in.

Probably gonna go ahead and get it at this point since RE: UC is seemingly shaping up decently. Good suggestions for Christmas gifts.

[CouRageouS]

I hope it comes in an actual case and isn't sleeved like Wii sports.

[dallow]

I hope it comes in an actual case and isn't sleeved like Wii sports.99% sure it won't.

I'll be getting this.
Didn't want the zapper but I want the cheap game.

[clockworkgreen]

99% sure it won't.

I'll be getting this.
Didn't want the zapper but I want the cheap game.

I'm sure you're more likely to find people punting off the game on Ebay than the Zapper.

[dallow]

I'm sure you're more likely to find people punting off the game on Ebay than the Zapper.Yeah, but for $20, might as well get the free Zapper that comes with the game. ;)

[Rocko]

Game looks stupid, Zapper doesn't interest me, but together and with the future release of UC I have to buy this. Looks like Nintendo got me again.

[whoknows]

Zapper is one wicked cricket.


...That's not what this thread is about?

[io]

I have to say, it sounds interesting. I think I'll be getting the Zapper FOR the Link game. I have no interest in the other announced Zapper games so far, but I'm sure it will have some use down the line (but then again, this is Nintendo, so who knows - I'm looking at you bongos!). Anyway, even though I know the Zapper is a cheap plastic thing I'm glad this is only $20. I think they could have pushed $30 for this easily. In fact, at that price, I better see if I can preorder this sucker at Gamecrazy. It might be hard to get leading up to Christmas.

[botticus]

I have to say, it sounds interesting. I think I'll be getting the Zapper FOR the Link game. I have no interest in the other announced Zapper games so far, but I'm sure it will have some use down the line (but then again, this is Nintendo, so who knows - I'm looking at you bongos!). Anyway, even though I know the Zapper is a cheap plastic thing I'm glad this is only $20. I think they could have pushed $30 for this easily. In fact, at that price, I better see if I can preorder this sucker at Gamecrazy. It might be hard to get leading up to Christmas.To be fair, there are already as many games using the zapper (before it's even released) than there were for the bongo - RE: UC, Ghost Squad, MoH.

[dallow]

To be fair, there are already as many games using the zapper (before it's even released) than there were for the bongo - RE: UC, Ghost Squad, MoH.Technically, just about every game can use the Zapper.

[botticus]

Technically, just about every game can use the Zapper.Technically, yes. But three are designed with it in mind. I can only imagine sitting on the couch for 40 hours with the zapper playing Zelda. :lol:

[Scrubking]

I have yet to understand why so many people hate light gun games and hate the zapper. It's stupid. Thank God that it's just a plastic shell that only costs $20 instead of a whole new wiimote-gun hybrid that would cost me $50 and do the same thing.

And NO you don't need the zapper to play UC. In fact the game was designed for wiimote+nunchuk which is why its zapper support is so mediocre.

I will be buying up all of these light gun games and hoping that they make more.

[botticus]

I have yet to understand why so many people hate light gun games and hate the zapper. It's stupid. Thank God that it's just a plastic shell that only costs $20 instead of a whole new wiimote-gun hybrid that would cost me $50 and do the same thing.

And NO you don't need the zapper to play UC. In fact the game was designed for wiimote+nunchuk which is why its zapper support is so mediocre.

I will be buying up all of these light gun games and hoping that they make more.I don't think you need the zapper to play any games. And I'm guessing UC at least has different control configurations available, because they're bundling the zapper with it in Japan.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

The big surprise to me isn't that people are bitching about the Zapper and the Link game, but that Gamestop has already tacked the $5 "Wii/DS" tax on it.

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=802783

Oh wait, no I'm not surprised.

[dallow]

I have yet to understand why so many people hate light gun games and hate the zapper. It's stupid. Thank God that it's just a plastic shell that only costs $20 instead of a whole new wiimote-gun hybrid that would cost me $50 and do the same thing.

And NO you don't need the zapper to play UC. In fact the game was designed for wiimote+nunchuk which is why its zapper support is so mediocre.

I will be buying up all of these light gun games and hoping that they make more.Why do people hate light gun games?
Don't know.
Why are you a fanboy?
Don't know.

[Scrubking]

I don't think you need the zapper to play any games. And I'm guessing UC at least has different control configurations available, because they're bundling the zapper with it in Japan.

That's the beauty of it. You can play it with the wiimote or if you want light gun action use the zapper. More options = good not bad.

And I don't think UC let's you configure the controls, but if it does then they need to majorly improve it by allowing us to set the C or Z button as the primary fire like Ghost Squad.

[botticus]

Okay, some additional Link's Crossbow Training from the latest NP:

The minigame collection showcases a range of ways to implement the Zapper, from simple target shooting to a full-fledged third-person action mode. In target shooting stages, you'll have to shoot bull's-eyes quickly and accurately - the more targets you hit, the quicker new targets will appear; the more targets you hit in a row, the more points you'll earn. In the third-person shooter levels, you control Link via the Control Stick; the camera will follow the targeting reticule when it gets near the edge of the screen.
Glad to see a third-person demo is in there, will push it beyond simple light-gun implementations.

[dmaul1114]

I can see some of the gripes.

I'm kind of interested in it, and will likely pick it up at some point since it's $20 and will be an ok pick up and play game packed in etc.

But I'd still like to see someone put an actual light gun out on the wii. Maybe Namco will bring over the guncon and some of those games at some point.

Aiming a cursor is fun, but true 1:1 light gun aiming is more fun IMO. But of coruse also more expensive.

[botticus]

I can see some of the gripes.

I'm kind of interested in it, and will likely pick it up at some point since it's $20 and will be an ok pick up and play game packed in etc.

But I'd still like to see someone put an actual light gun out on the wii. Maybe Namco will bring over the guncon and some of those games at some point.

Aiming a cursor is fun, but true 1:1 light gun aiming is more fun IMO. But of coruse also more expensive.Don't true light guns have to be calibrated with HDTVs? In which case, it wouldn't be any different than using the Wiimote with calibration, and I don't think it'd be worth the exhorbitant cost of an additional peripheral for Namco or for us.

[dmaul1114]

Don't true light guns have to be calibrated with HDTVs? In which case, it wouldn't be any different than using the Wiimote with calibration, and I don't think it'd be worth the exhorbitant cost of an additional peripheral for Namco or for us.

I'm not sure on that. But if so, you're right and that would sadly mean that true light gun games are dead. :(

[botticus]

I'm not sure on that. But if so, you're right and that would sadly mean that true light gun games are dead. :(Yeah... If I'm wrong, then I definitely endorse true light guns. I won't pay the extra for them, but I know there are people who love 'em.

[dallow]

They are dead.

Even in arcades, newer light gun games on higher res screens have Wii-like sensors.
Not like the old days.

However the new Guncon has extra sensors that go on both sides of the screen.
Or three sensors, I forgot exactly.

Anyway, with those, it comes closer to 1:1.

[AlbinoNinja]

My guess about the game selection is that nintendo needs to sell as many zappers as possible before they can get third-party support/take any serious dives themselves. The game is a good choice for this because:

1. The nonviolent shooting gallery style game appeals to the casual market
2. Link appeals to a lot of ninendo fans, especially younger kids

Furthermore, making the game non-violent means that they can eventually package the game with every system

[riccaboni]

Hi guys. I've had a Wii for a bit now and have looked briefly into the Wii Zapper. What are the advantages of it? Would it make a game like RE 4 a little easier in terms of pointing and shooting for someone who isn't used to the genre?

Any advice interms of the Zapper is appreciated!

[The Crotch]

I haven't used it, but it would not help RE4 in the least. Opinion that I've read is mixed - some like it, some feel it gets in the way. There are other, better looking gun shells, though. Wouldn't help you with RE4, but whatever...

[drfunk85]

The biggest advantage is that it comes with Link's Crossbow training which is a pretty fun little game. It's not super deep but is really fun, and I think worth the $20 itself.

[tankexmortis]

Nyko's Perfect Shot is reputedly better in every way. That said, I've also heard that one should pick up the Zapper if only for Crossbow Training. Personally, I'll probably be getting both at some point, along with HotD 2+3 and maybe Ghost Squad. Damn, I need money...

[GodlyOne]

It wouldn't be a good choice for a game like Resident Evil 4 but that's just my opinion. Most people prefer not to use the zapper since they say that it's more accurate to just use the Wiimote and nunchuck on their own. I kind of agree with them. The biggest advantage for getting the zapper is Link's Crossbow Training since it's a really fun (yet short) game.

[auralia]

i don't know about re4 but i certinally prefer it for re chronicles

[ITDEFX]

The Zapper DOES take time to get use to for RE:TUC.

After you give it a chance and get the hang of it, it can be pretty effective. But the first time using it, it's gonna be frustrating and you will hate it.

[AHEADAMUS]

I personally love it, and I love Link's Crossbow Training. There's more depth to that game than appears, especially if you have friends willing to challenge each other for high scores. We've played it more than some full games.

[Sir_Fragalot]

Right now the only games that use the Zapper effectively (as they were made for the zapper) is...

Ghost Squad
Link's Crossbow Training
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicals
Medal of Honor Heroes: 2

If you don't want one of those games then don't buy a Zapper. It does not work with RE4 (because you shoot with A), and it is very very hard to use with metroid prime 3.

If you do want one of those games it is very easy to use and fun. I say go for one if you want to play one of those.

[NJC]

Medal of Honor: Heroes 2 has a Zapper mode as well...it works pretty well

Essentially you play through the single player campaign in an "on-rails" shooter.

Link's Crossbow Training is cool too

I have read lots of reviews about the zapper, most of them negative. Personally, after using it, I think it's kinda cool. The only complaint I have with it is that you wrap the nunchuk cord in the handle of the zapper, and if you leave it in there for a while, the cord will get all bent up...kinda like wrapping ps2 cords around the controller...

I'd say if you're thinking about it...just get it...it's only twenty bucks...and if you don't like it, at least you got another "Zelda" game

[Lan_Zer0]

I highly recommend the Zapper if you plan on playing one of the above mentioned games. I used to be in the Zapper hate camp, but after getting accustomed to shooting with both the front trigger (LinksCBT) and the back trigger (Ghost Squad), I think it is an excellent peripheral. Though, it did take a good few hours before warming up to it.

[DrMoze]

Count me as a Zapper fan. Ialsohave a Perfect shot. It does seema bit quicker when playing Ghost Squad. I like the Zapper for MOHH2 as it has more of a machine-gun feel. Also, the PS has a large squareish handle--that and the trigger will make your hand sore after a little while. (And I have large hands--probably worse with small hands.) OTOH, can use the Zapper comfortably for hours. I'm surprised the PS is so uncomfortable.

[lukewin]

I've got 2 of them. I don't like it for Link's Crossbow Training, b/c it doesn't give you the option to configure the controls. I have Ghost Squad and occasionally use it for that since you can switch so that the Z is the trigger. I do better without the Zapper with my aim for some reason, but all my friends and family that play the games with me prefer to use it with the Zapper. I'd recommend it, since it is a 1st party accessory that is cheap and comes with a game. I've seen it at GS used, for $13 for the Zapper only. I haven't played the other 2 games, but I'll be getting them in the future.

[riccaboni]

Thanks for the reviews guys. I think I'll pick one up. It sounds like it's worth it just for Crossbow Training.

[ITDEFX]

Thanks for the reviews guys. I think I'll pick one up. It sounds like it's worth it just for Crossbow Training.


I say give it a shot (no pun intended). A few more games are coming out this year that will support it and no doubt there will be some calibration tool within the new games to help make it easier for you to use.

[pittpizza]

After you give it a chance and get the hang of it, it can be pretty effective. But the first time using it, it's gonna be frustrating and you will hate it.

Wait you're talking about the zapper right, not using a condom?

[ITDEFX]

Wait you're talking about the zapper right, not using a condom?


A Condom? Who needs that? I'm a man and I can hold it back, can you?

[The Mana Knight]

I just got a Wii Zapper today and was a bit unsure about keeping it, until I read this thread. I bought it because CC had it for $20 and I have a hard time finding this at $20. I do plan to purchase some Wii light gun games in the future, so this should be fine. I think I will keep it, since I plan to buy Ghost Squad and maybe HotD 2 and 3.

[Chowder chops]

Anyone having problems with links crossbow? I insert the disk and after 15-20 seconds it says disk error and to eject the disk and shut down the wii. No cratches or smudges on the disk. One weird thing is when looking at the bottom of the disk usually you can see how much info is on the disk because you can see the slight color difference from the writen part to the blank part and I don't see that. It almoust seems like nothing was writen on the disk.

[Kaijufan]

Send an email to Nintendo. I'm sure they will replace it.

[Vinny]

One weird thing is when looking at the bottom of the disk usually you can see how much info is on the disk because you can see the slight color difference from the writen part to the blank part and I don't see that. It almoust seems like nothing was writen on the disk.

Damn... I wonder if that's possible, to get a game disc without any data on it.:-k

[Chowder chops]

Nintendo said they would replace it but they never heard of a problem with the game. I was able to exchange the game at Fred Meyer and got a new one. Guess what..... same problem. So either there is a bad batch of games or my console is screwy. It dosn't have a problem playing other games and I tried downloading the lastest firmware to no avail.

[drfunk85]

I have the same error happen occasionally on Wii Sports. It usually doesnt, but every once in a while. I noticed if I just insert the disk and let it load up before going into the game channel, it usually doesn't happen, but that might just be me thinking too much about it.

[VAD3R or Fro]

I had this problem with a Gamecube disc once. I just put in another game, eject, and then put in the Gamecube disc as it worked.

[Chowder chops]

I've tried all combination but it won't work. Strange

[PittJurist]

I'm recently hooked on playing Ghost Squad over and over and I'm looking forward to HotD 2 and 3. Question is...does the Wii Zapper add to the feel of these games or is it not worth it? Any opinions are greatly appreciated.

[Wooten]

I have no experience with the zapper but I could recommend the Nyko Perfect Shot. Feels good, looks good, and with the Ghost Squad calibration feels pretty accurate. I'm not sure how shooting from the hip with the zapper would feel. I do, however, wish I had Link's Crossbow Training.

[eastx]

I recommend getting both. The Perfect Shot is way better, but Link's Crossbow Training is quite cool. You can use the Zapper for 2 player games, ya know?

[whoknows]

I used it with Umbrella Chronicles and quickly went back to playing without it. It was mainly the feel of the gun I didn't like. Try going with a 3rd party one, it's probably better.

[lilboo]

I like it, I have two of them. I am interested int he Perfect Shot but I just can never seem to find one in stock.
Link's Crossbow Training is a good time.

[RelentlessRolento]

I want one not for the zapper thing but just links training... the perfect shot is where it's at IMHO.

[Lan_Zer0]

I like the Wii Zapper. It definitely took time getting used to though, but now I'm a big fan. I found it useful games that use a cursor pointing setup like RE:UC, since it keeps the aiming steady (aiming from the waist). For a light gun calibrated game, Perfect Shot is probably better for aiming down the barrel (sights are better on the gun).

[Vinny]

I bought one, haven't used it, but it doesn't feel as bad as I thought it would. On the other hand, i don't see it being a good option for light gun style games- it'd be more suited towards more simple, slower shooting games.

[VioletArrows]

It doesn't feel very comfortable to me, but it does keep my hands much steadier than if I were to just hold the remote and nunchuk.

You can get Link's Crossbow Training used by itself at Gamestop if you really want the game but find a better alternative to the Zapper.

[Duckbutt]

I love the Wii Zapper. I honestly can't imagine how fun Ghost Squad would be without some light gun accessory. I play Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles the most with the Zapper. It took some time to get used to it, but I get quite a few headshots now that I'm adjusted to it.

I'd recommend buying the Zapper from Wal*Mart since they are the only retailer I know that is selling the Zapper for the MRSP of $20 (last time I checked, most sell it for $25)

[insertcleverthing]

I played Link's Crossbow once and beat it in a single seating. I haven't used the zapper since and don't really know if I will ever again. I actually feel sorta stupid for buying the stupid hunk of plastic, but that's just my experience...

[Sharp Katana]

i had the zapper and i personally wouldn't recommend it. I ended up ebaying mines. You're much better off playing with just the wii remote since it doesn't feel like you're carrying a bulky hunk of plastic. Crossbow training is cool with it but Umbrella chronicles is a no no. For example when you have to shake the wii remote it feels a lot better in your hands than shakin the whole gun (maybe it's just me but sometimes i felt like the wii remote was going to slip out of the zapper grip). As for HoTD I'm also gettin that but I have no plans on playing it with the zapper.

[eastx]

Yes, most of us can agree that the Zapper feels awkward to use. Its trigger is terrible to boot. But it comes with a cool game, so that's a plus.

For the few who like the Zapper... Seriously, try the Perfect Shot. It has no disadvantages over the zapper (except you have to remove the Wiimote wriststrap).

[mephitical]

I've got a Zapper and a Perfect Shot and (all declarations of preference aside) I'm rediscovering a love of shooting games that's been buried since Gangster Town on the Sega Master System. Now that the first "wave" of zapper-compatible games has been out for a few months, has anyone heard of new compatible games coming out in the near future. Besides House of the Dead - I already prepaid for that one.