What's wrong with this?

[snotknocker]

The U.S. government can track a cow born in Canada almost three years
ago, right to the stall where she sleeps in the state of Washington,
and determine exactly what that cow ate. They can also track her calves
right to their stalls, and tell you what kind of feed they ate.

But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around in their country, including people that are trying to blow up important structures in the U.S.

Every illegal alien should have a cow

[Wombat]

Don't have a com, man.

[rabbitt]

So that's how we find out so much about Rosie 'O' Donell.

[WildWop]

The U.S. government can track a cow born in Canada almost three years
ago, right to the stall where she sleeps in the state of Washington,
and determine exactly what that cow ate. They can also track her calves
right to their stalls, and tell you what kind of feed they ate.

But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around in their country, including people that are trying to blow up important structures in the U.S.

Every illegal alien should have a cow

http://www.economist.com/science/tq/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2476900

Somehow, the prospect of planting tracking devices on immigrants strikes me as something that would end up being defeated in the courts for personal privacy reasons. Cows are slow, dumb animals, and can hardly sneak across a border unnoticed.

[Tromack]

Yeah. And aliens have all sorts of ray guns and stuff. Oh wait. Nevermind.

[WhipSmartBanky]

Moo.

[PsyClerk]

Please don't mention aliens.

"Call the National Guard! Aliens are attacking! It's the end of the world!"

[Ikohn4ever]

some aliens are cool like alf and et, but others suck like Predator and Alien. What we really need to worry about is people from the future coming back and taking all of our jobs

[vherub]

What we really need to worry about is people from the future coming back and taking all of our jobs

Exactly, I am often worried how little attention people pay to this issue. Not only will this influx of people be taking our jobs, but they also will be winning gambling events, picking winner stocks and correctly delcaring which console will win each particular generation battle. I think laws need to be put into effect, not next week, not next year, but NOW! to stop this (if it isnt already too late) banning future people from purchasing any and all items that have a resale value or from visiting webforums that are game related in any way.

[Zenithian Legend]

Just one more reason to register to vote against Bush

[bmulligan]

Just one more reason to register to vote against Bush

Yes, EVERYTHING is Bush's fault. Especially the fact that I can't get an Xbox for $99 yet. And the fact that you're an ass.

[epobirs]

Just one more reason to register to vote against Bush

Apparently you haven't heard about Kerry's amnesty plan.

[bmulligan]

Just one more reason to register to vote against Bush

Apparently you haven't heard about Kerry's amnesty plan.

What is it? Let them in if they'll vote Democratic?

[epobirs]

The U.S. government can track a cow born in Canada almost three years
ago, right to the stall where she sleeps in the state of Washington,
and determine exactly what that cow ate. They can also track her calves
right to their stalls, and tell you what kind of feed they ate.

But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around in their country, including people that are trying to blow up important structures in the U.S.

Every illegal alien should have a cow

There is a misconception here. We can locate the bulk of illegal aliens within our borders any time we choose. The problem is that enforcement of these laws is so lax that most illegals have no compulsion to hide. Many Home Depot stores such as in Glendale, CA have given up and instead built areas specifically for them to hang out while waiting for jobs.

Much good coverage here: http://johnandkenshow.com/

[epobirs]

Just one more reason to register to vote against Bush

Apparently you haven't heard about Kerry's amnesty plan.

What is it? Let them in if they'll vote Democratic?

It ultimately comes to that in the long term. In the short term it's a misguided attempt to treat citizen Latinos as a monolithic voting bloc who all want a flood of more Latinos to compete in the labor market. (They apparently never heard Cesar Chavez's opinion on the subject.) They also fail to notice that many in black communities feel threatened by the demographic flood from the south.

The GOP is by and large equally misguided. Many large contributors are addicted to illegal labor and make it known support could go elsewhere if the laws were properly enforced. As well, Latinos were a big part of Bush's success in Texas elections but this fail to appreciate that nationally Latinos only represent a bit less than 5% of the vote and the two biggest concentrations are in Democratic strongholds California and New York. So both the assumption that Latinos are universally in support of illegal immigration and that they matter all that much in national elections is leading both parties into a competition to see who can have the worse policy.

[Kaijufan]

The U.S. government can track a cow born in Canada almost three years
ago, right to the stall where she sleeps in the state of Washington,
and determine exactly what that cow ate. They can also track her calves
right to their stalls, and tell you what kind of feed they ate.

That is rather sad. Is there some reason that they must track cows this closely? Are they worried about diseases?

[Zenithian Legend]

Just one more reason to register to vote against Bush

Apparently you haven't heard about Kerry's amnesty plan.

What is it? Let them in if they'll vote Democratic?

I love these dipshit republicans that automatically assume I'm a Democrat. Where in my post did I say I'm voting for Kerry? I've got an idea let's take Mr T out of this picture and put your picture in it instead:

http://img50.exs.cx/img50/2493/MRTBUSH.jpg

Of course you're from Brighton, so I guess you have an excuse for being retarded.

[BulletTime]

The U.S. government can track a cow born in Canada almost three years
ago, right to the stall where she sleeps in the state of Washington,
and determine exactly what that cow ate. They can also track her calves
right to their stalls, and tell you what kind of feed they ate.

But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around in their country, including people that are trying to blow up important structures in the U.S.

Every illegal alien should have a cow

LMFAO. Sad, but true.

[levi333]

haha, great point snotknocker.

[Zenithian Legend]

Just as pathetic was the continual search for bobby fischer for playing an unsanctioned chess match, there was a topic on his capture and the wasted government funds not too long ago.

[epobirs]

Just as pathetic was the continual search for bobby fischer for playing an unsanctioned chess match, there was a topic on his capture and the wasted government funds not too long ago.

Since, being a celebrity, he deserved a free pass on violating sanctions? That always sets a good example.

[cozydean]

Perhaps if cows were willing to work for less than minimum wage, the federal government might, you know, *misplace* their tracking information which pertains to certain bovine specimens.

[epobirs]

Just one more reason to register to vote against Bush

Apparently you haven't heard about Kerry's amnesty plan.

What is it? Let them in if they'll vote Democratic?

I love these dipshit republicans that automatically assume I'm a Democrat. Where in my post did I say I'm voting for Kerry? I've got an idea let's take Mr T out of this picture and put your picture in it instead:
.

Considering your original statement and the tiny turnout of third party votes, presuming you were inclined to vote Democrat was a pretty safe bet. I wouldn't want to give the dire insult of labeling someone a Naderite without an open declaration on their part. Unless you're a remarkably silly person you have to appreciate that there are only two real horses in this race. Since votes for Nader last time around were either too minor to matter or damaging to the GOP's opposition one has to assume a statement of voting against Bush is equally an intent to vote for Kerry. Casting any other way only serves to aid the candidate you claim to oppose.

Even if you have someone other than Kerry in mind that hardly addresses the problem. Most of the third party candidates are as bad on the issue of illegal immigration. The Libertarians have an open borders fanaticism that has even infected WSJ editorials, Nader's bunch think laws should only apply to descendents of the Northern European oppressors, etc. Between financial corruption, ruthless pandering for votes, and just plain detachment from reality, the entire slate of potential choices are all on the wrong side of this issue.

However, if you'd like to state your intention to vote for the Silly Party or the Very Silly Party, feel free to do so.

(Typo correction)

[Zenithian Legend]

Just as pathetic was the continual search for bobby fischer for playing an unsanctioned chess match, there was a topic on his capture and the wasted government funds not too long ago.

Since, being a celebrity, he deserved a free pass on violating sanctions? That always sets a good example.

No, but since the warrant for his arrest was issued FOR PLAYING A CHESS MATCH I hardly see how that needs to be pursued for years and years wasting time and taxpayers money.

[epobirs]

Just as pathetic was the continual search for bobby fischer for playing an unsanctioned chess match, there was a topic on his capture and the wasted government funds not too long ago.

Since, being a celebrity, he deserved a free pass on violating sanctions? That always sets a good example.

No, but since the warrant for his arrest was issued FOR PLAYING A CHESS MATCH I hardly see how that needs to be pursued for years and years wasting time and taxpayers money.

Because enforcement of law matters. If he gets a pass it sets a bad precedent. This wasn't a case of oops, did I do that? It was fully intentional defiance of something he'd been warned would bring him to grief. The arresting officials are well aware they have better things to do with their time but they're also aware that failure to press a warrant can serve as later precedent by other offender's lawyers to get them off the hook. So it's important that Fischer appear before a judge even if he only receives a slap on the wrist. This is all the more true when the offender is a celebrity and dropping the warrant can be taken to mean he enjoyed special privelige in the eyes of the law.

[CaseyRyback]

They all court the latino vote. Are you really going to tell the largest minority that we do not want you here?

No matter what personal feelings are on the matter, in the scope of politics, they all court the vote.

You mentioned Kerry's policy, but I guess we forgot what happened 2 years ago already didn't we?

[Zenithian Legend]

Because enforcement of law matters. If he gets a pass it sets a bad precedent. This wasn't a case of oops, did I do that? It was fully intentional defiance of something he'd been warned would bring him to grief. The arresting officials are well aware they have better things to do with their time but they're also aware that failure to press a warrant can serve as later precedent by other offender's lawyers to get them off the hook. So it's important that Fischer appear before a judge even if he only receives a slap on the wrist. This is all the more true when the offender is a celebrity and dropping the warrant can be taken to mean he enjoyed special privelige in the eyes of the law.

I hate the fact that the United States government has decided that THEY and THEY alone get the final say in any global matters. Let's face it in this case not many people still know what Fischer did and the general Joe or Jane Doe is going to think it's ridiculous that he's been arrested for playing an illegal chess match. The reality here is the Japanese turned in Fischer in an effort to receive good favor from the US, and if you try to deny that you're an ignorant fool with no concept of global politics.

If the United States really wanted to make an example that a celebrity can't get away with a crime, then why did Simpson walk? And Kobe will more than likely be set free too. And I think I'm not alone when I say that murder and rape are far worse crimes than playing an illegal chess match.

When Fischer is brought over here and put on trial I guarantee he won't just receive a "slap on the wrist" if Bush is in office due to the things he's said about Bush in his broadcasts from Manila.

I'm not saying Fischer deserves to be set free or his crimes deserve to go unpunished, all I'm saying is that for the United States to chase after a harmless old man who did nothing but play an unsanctioned Chess Match to spite the UN and the United States, is a waste of time, taxpayers (that's you and me bud) money and is complete bullshit considering all the better things they could be focusing on.

[epobirs]

They all court the latino vote. Are you really going to tell the largest minority that we do not want you here?

No matter what personal feelings are on the matter, in the scope of politics, they all court the vote.

You mentioned Kerry's policy, but I guess we forgot what happened 2 years ago already didn't we?

Perhaps you missed my later post? The problem is that all court it the same patronizing way.

The insult is treating every Latino as if they're a card carrying La Raza member. A good portion of them fully understand that the value of low-end blue collar labor is directly impacted by those working under illegal conditions. 1st and 2nd generation Latino citizens are the hardest hit by the influx of illegals. They resent the illegals as much as I would a flood of absurdly low-paid Ukrainian IT workers and tech writers. My distant shared ancestry doesn't make me feel any need to let them jump the fence instead of going through the legal process.

I previously mentioned Cesar Chavez, the patron saint of Latino labor issues. He stated that he opposed illegal immigration since it only served to undermine his efforts to win decent wages for his people's labor. Candidates could get a lot of mileage out of mentioning this and courting that portion of the Latino electorate that doesn't feel their ethnicity comes before their nationality.

[Dok Diamond]

anti-bush 2004

[Zenithian Legend]

anti-bush 2004

Sounds like a good bumper sticker to me

[epobirs]

Because enforcement of law matters. If he gets a pass it sets a bad precedent. This wasn't a case of oops, did I do that? It was fully intentional defiance of something he'd been warned would bring him to grief. The arresting officials are well aware they have better things to do with their time but they're also aware that failure to press a warrant can serve as later precedent by other offender's lawyers to get them off the hook. So it's important that Fischer appear before a judge even if he only receives a slap on the wrist. This is all the more true when the offender is a celebrity and dropping the warrant can be taken to mean he enjoyed special privelige in the eyes of the law.

I hate the fact that the United States government has decided that THEY and THEY alone get the final say in any global matters. Let's face it in this case not many people still know what Fischer did and the general Joe or Jane Doe is going to think it's ridiculous that he's been arrested for playing an illegal chess match. The reality here is the Japanese turned in Fischer in an effort to receive good favor from the US, and if you try to deny that you're an ignorant fool with no concept of global politics.

If the United States really wanted to make an example that a celebrity can't get away with a crime, then why did Simpson walk? And Kobe will more than likely be set free too. And I think I'm not alone when I say that murder and rape are far worse crimes than playing an illegal chess match.

When Fischer is brought over here and put on trial I guarantee he won't just receive a "slap on the wrist" if Bush is in office due to the things he's said about Bush in his broadcasts from Manila.

I'm not saying Fischer deserves to be set free or his crimes deserve to go unpunished, all I'm saying is that for the United States to chase after a harmless old man who did nothing but play an unsanctioned Chess Match to spite the UN and the United States, is a waste of time, taxpayers (that's you and me bud) money and is complete bullshit considering all the better things they could be focusing on.

The US has been put in the position of dealing with situations where others have abdicated responsibility even when the events are transpiring in their own back yard. When we fail to intervene we're criticized for not taking responsibility. It's a no-win situation in which you can only pick your battles and ignore the critics. This is a much deeper subject than a gaming site warrants. A conversation can be found here that raises some important points: http://www.janegalt.net/blog/archives/004828.html

Simpson walked because a certain Judge Ito lacked the testiclur fortitude to suelch ridiculous defense ploys and to call a mistrial when it became obvious that the jury intended to draw a verdict based on their personal grudges against law enforcement and not the facts of the case. This is hardly a parallel. This was not a federal case involving international relations nor was it a cse of selective prosecution. To parallel what we were discussing in the Fischer case they cops would have had to never arrested Simpson and allowed to case to go unresolved. The Simpson trial was a debacle but not pertinent to this matter. Likewise for the Kobe Bryant case. Bryant is on trial and there is little likelihood that a Colorado jury is likely to let him walk by virtue of his race or celebrity. They may do so because the prosecution has serious problems with their case.

Fischer has spent most of his adult life testing the limits of other's tolerance for his behavior. He has now discovered how real those limits are. Fischer's treatment is extremely unlikely to be influenced by the Bush administration. This matter occurred long ago and Bush no direct interest in the issue. Fischer has made lunatic statements about every administration in his lifetime. Nobody is looking to exact any revnge here. It is, as I said, a formality of carrying out the law as required if it is to mean anything. If Fischer behaves himself he could easily be pardoned by Bush in recognition the law enforcement point had been made. It would be a nice change from the previous administration's application of that power and would save any cost of continuing to hold Fischer.

As critics of the administration go Fischer's ranting, especially when you throw in his other targets, is not a win for the opposition. Only a lunatic would publicly embrace him. If the administration were really willing to go to so much trouble to attack a critic I think they'd be more inclined to target Michael Moore or somebody else who might actually sway public opinion to a meaningful extent. If somebody slipped Moore a drug regimen to advance the rate at which his heart is turning into one big hardened mass of cholesterol byproducts, who'd ever suspect?

[Zenithian Legend]

You're not getting it... I'm not debating what will/won't happen to Fischer, that already happened in this topic:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23202&highlight=bobby+fischer

I'm saying that the United States is WASTING money.

However, as far as Bush goes, if any president was obsessed with revenge it's him... and we don't need to start in on that.

This article:
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/12/chun.htm

has more info on Fischer's exploits, including some of the things he's said about Bush and the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Bush is stubborn and easily our dumbest president ever covered by the television media, he'll make Fischer pay... IF Bush is still in office.

OH, and I brought up Kobe and OJ, not as a directly parallel case to Fischer, but as cases in which the government could have made an example of a celebrity by persecuting them to the full extent of the law (assuming Kobe does no jail time).

[epobirs]

You're not getting it... I'm not debating what will/won't happen to Fischer, that already happened in this topic:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23202&highlight=bobby+fischer

I'm saying that the United States is WASTING money.

However, as far as Bush goes, if any president was obsessed with revenge it's him... and we don't need to start in on that.

This article:
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/12/chun.htm

has more info on Fischer's exploits, including some of the things he's said about Bush and the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Bush is stubborn and easily our dumbest president ever covered by the television media, he'll make Fischer pay... IF Bush is still in office.

OH, and I brought up Kobe and OJ, not as a directly parallel case to Fischer, but as cases in which the government could have made an example of a celebrity by persecuting them to the full extent of the law (assuming Kobe does no jail time).

I knew about Fischer's whackiness years ago, thank you. He was a nut case back in the 70's and hasn't gotten any mellower with age. It is hardly necessary to remind of that thread. I posted to it early on about Fischer renown whackiness and you later offered the same opinion.

Wasting money? Oh please, of all the stupid things the government spends money on this is extremely small potatoes and as I've already amply explained letting this go is not an option. The authorities are obligated to follow through regardless of how silly a person Fischer is. Get over it. Some stupid shit cannot be avoided.

An administration obsessed with revenge? Please, examine the vindictiveness of the predecessors. If you must wear your heart on your sleeve don't let it bleed so much. It doesn't make you look any saner. Your personal opinions of Bush are not validated by the reality.

Again, you don't seem to understand the difference between failure to prosecute vs. failure to present a viable case or choose a judge who will adequately control his courtroom. The government did not let Simpson walk, the jury did. (Note that the government allowed the civil case to proceed, something that was considered quite radical in many legal circles.) If Bryant walks it will be at the jury's behest, not because the government failed to arrest and bring him to trial. (You might also consider the difference between prosecute and persecute.) There is simply no useful relation to be drawn between those two cases.

A more valid case of government making an example of a celebrity is Martha Stewart. I've no doubt this case would never have been pursued after the insidr trading charge collapsed if the DOJ weren't feeling under great pressure to make a flashy white collar bust. She gets to be a human sacrifice because the general public hasn't the understanding of the complexities and the patience to wait for the tangled corporate webs of Enron and their ilk to be fully mapped out before those case can reach fruition. A rushed prosecution in a white collar crime case al too often ends in the guilty walking away with only some inconvenience and legal fees as punishment.

[Zenithian Legend]

I can't really respond to that, except well put. I get it all now. Except your defending Bush and clearly you just hate chess players.