No more 60GB PlayStation 3

[mcdaking84]

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=26704

[Zoglog]

why are they asking the Europe person about North America? Could be true but still skeptical.

[KingBroly]

Pretty much everyone is picking up on it.

[Medium_Pimpin]

was about to post this for the cags

[Zoglog]

you guys realize the Euro guy just could have made a mistake.....
any more sources confirming?

[Milkyman]

It makes sense doesnt it? they already said they'll be cutting the EE out of north american units too, why would they continue to make two skus?

[KingBroly]

But I don't see why they'd introduce an 80 gb HDD then. All they'd have to do is quietly take out the EE.

[Zoglog]

It makes sense doesnt it? they already said they'll be cutting the EE out of north american units too, why would they continue to make two skus?

It doesn't make sense considering the box on the 80GB motorstorm bundle says limited.

You guys realize that different region execs are able to make mistakes...... In fact I believe this has happened to Sony by this same exact person before or at least another exec.

[Milkyman]

But I don't see why they'd introduce an 80 gb HDD then. All they'd have to do is quietly take out the EE.

maybe their supplier lowered the price of 80 gig drives to the same as they used to pay for 60 gig drives, or maybe nobody makes 60 gig drives anymore. It's such a minor difference but maybe they want you to think its the better version instead of focusing on the lost EE.

[chakan]

The Euro guy could easily be making a false statement to get us to rush out and snap up the "last few remaining" 60gig models.

Remember, Sony has promised its stockholders they would sell 11 million units by year end. And Sony lying to us....nah, never!

[KingBroly]

So is this 80 gb bundle a transition pack? Instead of rumble you get a game and more hdd space? Then in September you get rumble at a cheaper price?

Man, my head is hurting from the confusion of this.

[Vanigan]

Probably more sensationalized misinterpreted statements.

I'll wait to hear it from more Sony reps.

[Milkyman]

Probably more sensationalized misinterpreted statements.

I'll wait to hear it from more Sony reps.

Like how they told us they stopped making 20gig ps3s months after anyone had seen one at retail? Forget the asshat execs making dumb statements for a moment. We know they lose money on the ps3, doesn't it stand to reason that continuing to manufacture one model with the EE and one without the EE would be costing them even more? They'd have to have separate production lines pumping out main circuit boards. The hard drive itself shouldn't factor in as it is just a drop in replacement. I don't understand the reluctance to believe this.

[KingBroly]

If this is true, Nintendo won E3...by default :\ (at least in my opinion)

Not exactly the best way to end the week for Sony.

[gunm]

We know they lose money on the ps3, doesn't it stand to reason that continuing to manufacture one model with the EE and one without the EE would be costing them even more?

No, no no. Taking out the EE would be for BOTH skus. Where did you hear that they are going to keep making PS3s with EEs? Just because they take that chip out doesn't mean they're going to drop multi-skus.

I didn't think the EE was going to reduce their costs that much anyway.

Anyway, I'm not not as concerned about whether what the SCEE guys says is true or not. I'm just surprised he'd be that candid when it's pretty clear that SCEA wasn't going to reveal that info to anyone.

Like I said in the other thread, it's like SCEA and SCEE aren't even on the same team...

Edit: slight clarification on my take on the EE thing.

[Milkyman]

No, no no. Taking out the EE would be for BOTH skus. Where did you hear that they are going to keep making PS3s with EEs? Just because they take that chip out doesn't mean they're going to drop multi-skus.



I'm not sure what you think I'm saying. The 80 gig version already doesn't have the EE. I'm saying it doesn't make sense for them to continue producing one with the EE and one without the EE so we agree?

It seemed to me the skeptics in the thread don't want to believe they'll stop making the EE/60gig version. Are you saying they'll take out the EE and continue to have a 60 gig model and an 80 gig model?

[Vanigan]

Nope, what I'm saying is that it could be false, could be true, and there could be a lot more to this than what's being reported on.

For example, what if he's simply confirming that the 60GB is being cleared out, the 80gb will then become the standard sku at $500 without motorstorm. Or he really could just say that the current 60gb hardware model is gone and will be replaced by the 80gb, or perhaps a new 60gb without the EE.

Honestly, there's very little information, and a whole lot of speculation.

[KingBroly]

I think we have to wonder how many 60 gb units are still in house and channel. I definitely don't think Sony will be gone with them all by the end of the month stateside. I assume they have at least 3 million combined in the states so far.
They could probably sell the rest of the 60 gb units in the holiday season, and cutting the price on the 80 gb version after the holidays where it will not include Motorstorm.

[Vanigan]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention, but over in Europe where this exec is from, the PS3 had no price drop. So for all intents and purposes, he's not the best person to talk to about US and Japanese SCE policy.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Its really hard to come up with reasons for such a thing being true, but heres my shot:

- We want to move to one 80 GB model at $500, so we don't look QUITE as stupid right next to the Elite at almost the same price point.

- But if we just out and release the 80 GB model at $500, there'll be like a zillion unsellable 60 GB PS3s just sitting around.

- Okay. Let's put the 80 GB model at $600, and drop the 60 GB model to $500, prompting people to buy more 60 GB models than they would have before. Then when it runs out, move the 80 GB model to $500. We'll do some bullshit about a pack-in game that gets dropped in the final price shuffle as a fig leaf.

I hope its not true. I feel kinda bad for being so hard on them all this time. I didnt want it to end like this. Something of a more dignified struggle.

[gunm]

Are you saying they'll take out the EE and continue to have a 60 gig model and an 80 gig model?

Yes, that was my understanding when I first read about that news. I'm not saying I'm right, but I didn't read/hear anything about Sony getting rid of the $499.99 sku, whatever that ends up being.

The Euroguy said the price drop was just to get rid of 60GB PS3s and to my knowledge nothing official was stated in the US to confirm that.

Of course, the 20 went Dodo without much notice so who knows?

[zewone]

If this is true, Sony will still deny it up until the day the 60GB is no more.

So, this will be a tough rumor to forget about, knowing Sony's PR.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Kaz confirms it with video:

http://atvs.vg.no/player/?id=10235

Well, again, just from a hardware perspective, the 499 dollar price adjustment that we did for the 60 GB version, for the american market, uh, we're no longer in production for that product, so uh once that product is gone from the retailer shelves, then we're back to the $599 SKU only, so it's not like we have a two price strategy here in the US market. We found out very early on, you know, consumers react mostly to just having one SKU as opposed to two.

[seanr1221]

#-o

[Stingermck]

Seriously??? So when does Sony start getting bad press about this? After all the price cut hype and extra sales....

[depascal22]

So you can still jump on board and pick up a 60gb for $500. Upgrade your own memory and don't worry about the 80gb. They could come out with a 120gb for $450 but it still won't change the fact that I already have one in my living room. Once the hardware's in your house, all of this discussion becomes moot. All I care about now are the games.

[botticus]

Kaz confirms it with video:

http://atvs.vg.no/player/?id=10235Wow.

I suppose that still leaves an opening to drop the $599 SKU to a $499 SKU once the 60GB is gone, but it doesn't really sound promising.

They're making the consumers play jump-rope with their marketing strategy this gen. No one's going to know when they should jump in.

[soonersfan60]

Maybe they're covering their bases so that if the $499 price point doesn't jump start sales as much as they would like, then they can just stay at the $599 price point for the 80gb and not lose as much money. Everyone seems to think the $499 price point won't do much for sales anyway. And this may be why MS is waiting and not following Sony with a price cut.

[javeryh]

Shit. So if I want one for $450 (CC and returning the controller) and with the EE but no rumble I need to buy one now, right? What are the chances of a $450 model with full emulation plus rumble coming out by next Christmas (when I planned on buying)? Sony is run by a bunch of retarded monkeys.

[jeffreyjrose]

Its really hard to come up with reasons for such a thing being true, but heres my shot:

- We want to move to one 80 GB model at $500, so we don't look QUITE as stupid right next to the Elite at almost the same price point.

- But if we just out and release the 80 GB model at $500, there'll be like a zillion unsellable 60 GB PS3s just sitting around.

- Okay. Let's put the 80 GB model at $600, and drop the 60 GB model to $500, prompting people to buy more 60 GB models than they would have before. Then when it runs out, move the 80 GB model to $500. We'll do some bullshit about a pack-in game that gets dropped in the final price shuffle as a fig leaf.

I hope its not true. I feel kinda bad for being so hard on them all this time. I didnt want it to end like this. Something of a more dignified struggle.

Your timeline/ thought train actually sounds about right if this is true.

[MusicNoteLess]

Shit. So if I want one for $450 (CC and returning the controller) and with the EE but no rumble I need to buy one now, right? What are the chances of a $450 model with full emulation plus rumble coming out by next Christmas (when I planned on buying)? Sony is run by a bunch of retarded monkeys.

slim to none. online retailers will most likely sell out by the end of this month and your best bet will be unsold PS3's in B&M stores....which again is not very likely to have a PS3 that has been around for months unsold with that kind of price drop on it.

If you want the EE chip it's best to grab it now before they're gone.

[happy]

I agree that once the 60 gig sells out they can easily drop the game and sell the 80 gig for $500. By that point they may even be able to keep the game in. Manufacturing costs drop fast for high end electronics, and $500 for 80 gig with a game would definately keep systems moving.

Also, does anyone know how many 60 gig systems they made? I would assume there are probably a few million out there unsold since it has been all that they have been producing for 6 months.

[botticus]

I agree that once the 60 gig sells out they can easily drop the game and sell the 80 gig for $500. By that point they may even be able to keep the game in. Manufacturing costs drop fast for high end electronics, and $500 for 80 gig with a game would definately keep systems moving.

Also, does anyone know how many 60 gig systems they made? I would assume there are probably a few million out there unsold since it has been all that they have been producing for 6 months.Their last report said they had sold 1.4 million in NA as of May, and had shipped 2.62 million as of March. So there were more than 1.2 million out in the channel as of May.

[Zen Davis]

Retarded.

[The Mana Knight]

They got it wrong, each of Sony Computer Entertainment divisions operate completely separate. SCEA has no control over SCEE and voice versa.

This is what I hear is going to happen in NA.
-Sony can buy 80GB HDD cheaper in bulk, due to them being more widely used.
-Sony also plans to use the cheaper blu-ray disc diodes in the 80GB model (which costs much less to manufacturer).
-The 80GB PS3 may lack the EE (like the Korean model) chip, and go to software.
-The circuit board of the 80GB also reduces components (like the Euro PS3).
-The console may be packed with the rumble SIXAXIS.

Basically, the new 80GB model will be Sony's more costs effective PS3 in the future, which will probably be sold worldwide as their main SKU (If you see the price on it in South Korea, you can tell its more manufactured at a lower cost). Right now, SCEA wants to get rid of all the 60GB models they have (which contain a regular SIXAXIS). They'll sell the 80GB alongside the 60GB PS3 for now. Once the 60GB PS3 is completely cleared, they'll remove MotorStorm from the bundle, and sell an 80GB PS3, with no EE, at $499.99. Sony will have a cheaper PS3 on the market (so they can concentrate on cutting its costs more), and all the new PS3 consoles could be packed with a SIXAXIS rumble controller (well, after they un-bundle MotorStorm). Sony has done similar in the past, trying to get rid of older units, and that's what it appears they're doing.

SCEE is doing something completely different. They are bundling the current PS3 with two games and a extra controller. Reason they aren't price dropping yet in Europe is because the console just came out in March. However, around the Holiday season or maybe as early as October, they will drop the price of PS3 there and un-bundle it.

Let me repeat this. The 80GB PS3 with MotorStorm is Limited Edition currently, just like the PSP having the Entertainment pack last Holiday season, the PSP slim bundles, etc. The 60GB SKU is still their main SKU for now. It will be a lot longer than people think for Sony to clear the 60GB. They still have plenty of 60GB HDD which they need to use up, before completely going 80GB. SCEA (Jack Tretton) stated over and over again that its limited edition. That idiot Reese (most Sony fans hate him) has no say over SCEA and barely knows what they are doing.

[jeffreyjrose]

This whole generation of videogames is weird. There are going to be so many versions/ SKUs of the PS3 and 360 by the time it's over.

It used to be, do you want a PS2, XBox or Gamecube? (maybe you're lucky and get to choose a color) Now, it's a waiting game to hold and see if you might get another 20 GB/ better color in 3 months...

[javeryh]

Not that it doesn't make sense but how do you know all that? Any way you look at it, removing the EE is a shitty move - how much could it really add to the cost of the machine?

[depascal22]

I guess the EE costs enough to hurt Sony in the long run. At the end of the day, the PS3 will be defined by this gen and not the compatibility with the last two generations.

[The Mana Knight]

Not that it doesn't make sense but how do you know all that? Any way you look at it, removing the EE is a shitty move - how much could it really add to the cost of the machine?Removing the EE saves Sony around $25 per machine. If they manufacturer two million machines without it, they save $50 million. Also, it will reduce the number of components needed, therefore, lower the costs even more. EDIT: Sony included the EE at launch because the software emulation wasn't ready, and they wanted to have near full BC at launch (otherwise, they'd have to delay PS3 longer).

The situation is, PS3 is an expensive machine and Sony has to find ways to bring its costs down. Keeping PS2 hardware inside of the PS3 would keep PS3 priced at around $200 (at the cheapest) forever. HDD prices don't change a whole lot between sizes (which is part of the reason Sony lost a lot more on the 20GB, because the difference in price was minimal between 60GB. 80GB can be bought cheaper in bulk due to being standard in many laptops). Blu-ray will continue to drop and other components. If people want the EE badly, it will keep the PS3 price higher, and Sony knows a lower price is more attractive to consumers. Good thing about going software emulation is, they can re-use it over and over again for future PS consoles. And from what I heard from those who tried both PS3 versions, the one without the EE is actually a bit better, since you don't have to re-connect the bluetooth controller when playing a PS2 game since it doesn't have to switch to PS2 hardware mode (I could be wrong, but it might not sign you off of PSN either, because that's what happens when playing PS2 games, unlike PS1 games).

[Apossum]

80gb w/Motorstorm is limited. the 80gb will become $499.

[botticus]

Removing the EE saves Sony around $25 per machine. If they manufacturer two million machines without it, they save $50 million. Also, it will reduce the number of components needed, therefore, lower the costs even more.

The situation is, PS3 is an expensive machine and Sony has to find ways to bring its costs down. Keeping PS2 hardware inside of the PS3 would keep PS3 priced at around $200 (at the cheapest) forever. HDD prices don't change a whole lot between sizes (which is part of the reason Sony lost a lot more on the 20GB, because the difference in price was minimal between 60GB. 80GB can be bought cheaper in bulk due to being standard in many laptops). Blu-ray will continue to drop and other components. If people want the EE badly, it will keep the PS3 price higher, and Sony knows a lower price is more attractive to consumers. Good thing about going software emulation is, they can re-use it over and over again for future PS consoles. And from what I heard from those who tried both PS3 versions, the one without the EE is actually a bit better, since you don't have to re-connect the bluetooth controller when playing a PS2 game since it doesn't have to switch to PS2 hardware mode (I could be wrong, but it might not sign you off of PSN either, because that's what happens when playing PS2 games, unlike PS1 games).Bringing their costs down are great... but it looks like all they're going to be doing is adding value to make up for those reduced costs. Europe is apparently skipping the 80GB and will presumably be bringing out a 120GB SKU in the near future. I bet its going to be right around the same cost then as the 60GB is now. If they're going to remove the EE and optimize enough to save $50, then drop the cost of the console $50, don't pack in another $50 worth of hard drive space.

As is, I've decided to pass for now... wife is less than thrilled with idea, and by the time it gets back to the reasonable range with all the "value adds" following "price drops," I'll have finished the PS2 games I have, so won't need to worry about the EE. And I'll have a nice cheap PS3 library to choose from.

[LinkinPrime]

Wow, just when Sony started to get gamers back on their side, they pull this shit! Seems like they are doing this just so that everyone goes out and buys the 60GB once they see a hike in sales, who knows what the true story may be...

[snowsquirrel]

Just an FYI, it look like many FutureShop (Canada's largest electronics retailer) locations in canada, including their website are sold out of the 60GB.... That happened in that lst 48 hrs, as I was kind of monitoring it just for shits and giggles.

~S

[postaboy]

Hopefully, a 60gig is still around by the end of November. If the 60gig does sell out by that time, I'm going to hit up craigslist/ebay for a used one.

[javeryh]

wife is less than thrilled with idea

This is ultimately my reason for passing on this. She just doesn't get it. I got the "I don't see the need to own 3 different consoles." speech.

[The Mana Knight]

Bringing their costs down are great... but it looks like all they're going to be doing is adding value to make up for those reduced costs. The 80GB SKU is actually cheaper than the 60GB SKU currently. The price of the 60GB and 80GB HDD are too similar.

Europe is apparently skipping the 80GB and will presumably be bringing out a 120GB SKU in the near future. I bet its going to be right around the same cost then as the 60GB is now. Europe already has the EE removed, so they're already getting the reduced cost PS3, except it might costs more in the future to continue with a 60GB drive.
If they're going to remove the EE and optimize enough to save $50, then drop the cost of the console $50, don't pack in another $50 worth of hard drive space.That is Europe, not NA. NA is sticking to 80GB for its future. Also, popular HDD sizes jump in 40GB increments. If anything, a 120GB could be cheaper one day than the 60GB (since 60GB isn't mass produced in several electronics).

As is, I've decided to pass for now... wife is less than thrilled with idea, and by the time it gets back to the reasonable range with all the "value adds" following "price drops," I'll have finished the PS2 games I have, so won't need to worry about the EE. And I'll have a nice cheap PS3 library to choose from.
This is ultimately my reason for passing on this. She just doesn't get it. I got the "I don't see the need to own 3 different consoles." speech.
Yeah, wives are like that. :( That's kind of why I'm glad I'm single right now (probably never get married because of that, since I like games too much, but that's another story). ;)
Hopefully, a 60gig is still around by the end of November. If the 60gig does sell out by that time, I'm going to hit up craigslist/ebay for a used one.The 80GB will be at the new price by then. But if you want full BC, then you may have to track down a 60GB.

[PhoenixT]

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070713-the-vanishing-ps3-price-drop-soon-only-one-600-ps3-remains.html

another confirmation of it ZogLog looks like the system will stay at 600 though you get a "little" more for you money now.

[dallow]

Pretty sure 80GB alone will cost $499.
Don't trust the SCEE guy, never have.

[snowsquirrel]

EB games had a sweet trade in deal on PS3's here a few months ago (in Canada). I paid about $225 USD, plus gave them my old xbox and 10 games.

I was giving the pitch to my wife about why I should do this. I reminded that we are broke, blah, blah, blah.

While I was pouting that evening, she asked 'are you mad at me?'. 'No, I would rather spend $650 in a couple months. :-) She got the sarcasm, and I won!

~S

[cgarb84]

Fuckin stupid Sony!!! Just when I was really impressed with their E3 this year and thougt they were totally headed in the right direction they pull this shit. I was planning on waiting a while longer before I bought a PS3 since I am currently building myself a really expensive new gaming pc. But it now sounds like if I want a PS3 with the EE I have to spring for one sooner than I originally thought. SHIT!!!!!

[strummerbs]

Yeah, wives are like that. :( That's kind of why I'm glad I'm single right now (probably never get married because of that, since I like games too much, but that's another story). ;)

Or you could try to find one like my soon-to-be fiancee, who told me last night to buy her a $500 cheaper ring so I could also pick up a PS3. Might just take her up on the latter part, but I won't be buying her a cheaper ring.

[The Mana Knight]

Fuckin stupid Sony!!! Just when I was really impressed with their E3 this year and thougt they were totally headed in the right direction they pull this shit. I was planning on waiting a while longer before I bought a PS3 since I am currently building myself a really expensive new gaming pc. But it now sounds like if I want a PS3 with the EE I have to spring for one sooner than I originally thought. SHIT!!!!!We all knew that. If you all want EE, you'd have to pay the price, and the market is showing they rather pay for a stripped down console (buying most everything separately or not dealing with full BC). Also, Sony STILL has plenty of 60GB left in their factory, so we are still getting them. Who knows when the 60GB will be gone. Could be gone in August, could be gone in December, we just don't know now.

[dallow]

Or you could try to find one like my soon-to-be fiancee, who told me last night to buy her a $500 cheaper ring so I could also pick up a PS3. Might just take her up on the latter part, but I won't be buying her a cheaper ring.Awwww.

[benjamouth]

So basically the choice is 60gb now with EE for $500

or

80gb without EE whenever it drops to $500 or buy it for $600.

I'm still not sure.

[LinkinPrime]

This is ultimately my reason for passing on this. She just doesn't get it. I got the "I don't see the need to own 3 different consoles." speech.
You should rebuttle with the Blu-Ray speech...you know, you're thinking about the kids, so that you can buy Blu-Ray Disney films and have them enjoy Hi Def, Chicken Little, Cars, Dinosaurs...etc. You're concerned about their vision, you don't want them straining their eyes with blurry 480i/p resolutions, you want to give them the full 1080p eye popping experience. ;)

[The Mana Knight]

From what I do hear, BC is around 90% in the one with EE, so that isn't completely bad.

[Apossum]

Or you could try to find one like my soon-to-be fiancee, who told me last night to buy her a $500 cheaper ring so I could also pick up a PS3. Might just take her up on the latter part, but I won't be buying her a cheaper ring.


wow, that's really cool of her :) Most women would tell you how useless a game console is, then get pissed if you don't buy them a $1000 or more rock :roll: :lol:

[mykevermin]

Pretty sure 80GB alone will cost $499.
Don't trust the SCEE guy, never have.

Well, if they're launching the 80GB with Motorstorm for $600, one thing they simply can't do is remove Motorstorm and sell it for $600. So, in a sense, that's good news, if we assume that they'll eventually drop the packaged game inclusion (since the era of the PS1, systems sold without games included has been the norm, and not the exception). If they drop the game, then it would have to drop in price.

Nevertheless, to simply take out a $60 game and reduce the MSRP to $500 would look equally foolish. So, where they go from here is equally unclear.

Awwww.

Indeed. Very "awww" worthy.

From what I do hear, BC is around 90% in the one with EE, so that isn't completely bad.

Shaddup. Every one of your posts is so laden with nothing more than pro-Sony conjecture it's sickening. Why don't you go blather about how software emulation is 75% and ignore that that percentage is based off of multiple SKUs for the same title, and also includes games that don't work very well at all, while you're at it?

[TC]

As long as rumble is available via firmware and new controller I'll be a happy camper for a long time to come. Don't see myself ever really using more than 60GB since I use TVersity to stream all my vids from PC for free.

[The Mana Knight]

Denied:

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6427&Itemid=2

[robin2099]

Man, Sony loves shooting themselves in the foot, and then immediately shooting themselves in the nuts. So far it's been ring around the consoles for them, and it makes me less interested in buying something from them.

[whoknows]

So my 60gb is going to become rare/valuable, right? :lol:

[The Mana Knight]

Shaddup. You STFU.
Every one of your posts is so laden with nothing more than pro-Sony conjecture it's sickening. Yes I am pro-Sony, but I'm not that big of a fanboy.
Why don't you go blather about how software emulation is 75% and ignore that that percentage is based off of multiple SKUs for the same title, and also includes games that don't work very well at all, while you're at it?75% was the original number I knew, but several Europeans with the model without the EE, say BC is at 90% (not just one).
Man, Sony loves shooting themselves in the foot, and then immediately shooting themselves in the nuts. So far it's been ring around the consoles for them, and it makes me less interested in buying something from them.I provided the link which proved Reeves is an idiot and his claims are FALSE. Sony is a good company to deal with.
So my 60gb is going to become rare/valuable, right? :lol:
Not as rare as my 20GB. ;)

[LinkinPrime]

Damn...things like these are what make you lose faith in the gaming industry...what are we to believe now...they said no price cut was coming when we already knew it was, and now this? Ay chihuahua!

[Zoglog]

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070713-the-vanishing-ps3-price-drop-soon-only-one-600-ps3-remains.html

another confirmation of it ZogLog looks like the system will stay at 600 though you get a "little" more for you money now.

they source the original article posted here in the first place, that's not another confirmation.

SCEA has already debunked this

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6427&Itemid=2

SCEA has denied 'inaccurate' reports that its $100 price cut on the 60Gig PS3 is simply a move to clear stock before offering solely the higher priced 80Gig version.

no surprises here =p. Thats' why I told people to calm the fuck down.

[mykevermin]

75% was the original number I knew, but several Europeans with the model without the EE, say BC is at 90% (not just one).

Well, the original number I knew was 6780245%. But, doing my own work, and looking at the BC page on SCEE, along with anecdotes about how the "may work with noticeable issues" games played, showed me that their claim of 72% is dead fucking wrong. So, don't treat like fact that which you are unaware of, particularly when it's so easy to discredit.

Denied:

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6427&Itemid=2

Denied? Yep. Untrue? Not so sure.

SCEA's response: "As announced this week, SCEA's product offering in North America consists of a 80GB PS3 available in August at $599 and a 60GB PS3 available now for $499. We have will have ample supplies of both models to meet the needs of our consumers for the foreseeable future."

Looks deliberately cryptic to me. It does not address whether or not 60GB are still being manufactured, and the phrase "foreseeable future" means nothing. Six minutes is the "foreseeable future." So is 600 years from now. SCEA didn't answer shit with that response that couldn't be covered in a "no comment."

[Zoglog]

Well, the original number I knew was 6780245%. But, doing my own work, and looking at the BC page on SCEE, along with anecdotes about how the "may work with noticeable issues" games played, showed me that their claim of 72% is dead fucking wrong. So, don't treat like fact that which you are unaware of, particularly when it's so easy to discredit.



Denied? Yep. Untrue? Not so sure.

SCEA's response: "As announced this week, SCEA's product offering in North America consists of a 80GB PS3 available in August at $599 and a 60GB PS3 available now for $499. We have will have ample supplies of both models to meet the needs of our consumers for the foreseeable future."

Looks deliberately cryptic to me. It does not address whether or not 60GB are still being manufactured, and the phrase "foreseeable future" means nothing. Six minutes is the "foreseeable future." So is 600 years from now. SCEA didn't answer shit with that response that couldn't be covered in a "no comment."

They could also be trying to avoid making the SCEE guy look like a complete dumbass by spewing info he didn't know about. Of course like you said it's not out of the realm of possibility but highly unlikely.

[DarkNessBear]

Cant believe they did this...

Way to make yourself look like a fu-cking dick.

[cleaver]

If the 80 GB bundle costs Sony less to make than the 60 GB EE system, and they can sell it for $100 more, then of course they're going to phase out the 60 GB ones. I don't need the David Brent/Michael Scott of SCEE to tell me that.

[pete5883]

Can't get to the link now, but there's a video floating around where Kaz admits they've stopped making the 60gb.

Edit: nevermind, link: http://atvs.vg.no/player/?id=10235 The quote is around 1:40.

[PyroGamer]

Fact: the 60GB model is no longer in production.

Denied? Yep. Untrue? Not so sure.

SCEA's response: "As announced this week, SCEA's product offering in North America consists of a 80GB PS3 available in August at $599 and a 60GB PS3 available now for $499. We have will have ample supplies of both models to meet the needs of our consumers for the foreseeable future."
This is NOT a denial. The headline says it is, but it is NOT. They are denying the bad-spin put on this news that they are "clearancing" the 60GB model.

There are currently a couple million 60GB PS3's sitting around yet to be shipped. There are still manay 60GB models left to sell, but it IS being discontinued.

http://cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144585

[seanr1221]

:lol: at manaknight choosing games over sex

[Cindaddy]

Well, the original number I knew was 6780245%. But, doing my own work, and looking at the BC page on SCEE, along with anecdotes about how the "may work with noticeable issues" games played, showed me that their claim of 72% is dead fucking wrong. So, don't treat like fact that which you are unaware of, particularly when it's so easy to discredit.



Denied? Yep. Untrue? Not so sure.

SCEA's response: "As announced this week, SCEA's product offering in North America consists of a 80GB PS3 available in August at $599 and a 60GB PS3 available now for $499. We have will have ample supplies of both models to meet the needs of our consumers for the foreseeable future."

Looks deliberately cryptic to me. It does not address whether or not 60GB are still being manufactured, and the phrase "foreseeable future" means nothing. Six minutes is the "foreseeable future." So is 600 years from now. SCEA didn't answer shit with that response that couldn't be covered in a "no comment."

Completely agree. That is not a very strong denial. The foreseeable future is hardly a defined time period.

[Dead of Knight]

:wall:

[mykevermin]

This is NOT a denial. The headline says it is, but it is NOT. They are denying the bad-spin put on this news that they are "clearancing" the 60GB model.

There are currently a couple million 60GB PS3's sitting around yet to be shipped. There are still manay 60GB models left to sell, but it IS being discontinued.

Let me take you to a blast from the past:

Looks deliberately cryptic to me. It does not address whether or not 60GB are still being manufactured, and the phrase "foreseeable future" means nothing. Six minutes is the "foreseeable future." So is 600 years from now. SCEA didn't answer shit with that response that couldn't be covered in a "no comment."

All the way back on July 13, 2007, when I made a post in a thread titled "No more 60GB Playstation 3." Just before I said that, I quoted an article that said Sony's response was "As announced this week, SCEA's product offering in North America consists of a 80GB PS3 available in August at $599 and a 60GB PS3 available now for $499. We have will have ample supplies of both models to meet the needs of our consumers for the foreseeable future."

I know it's a *long* time ago that I said that, but is there really anything you're saying that contradicts that golden oldie of mine?

[LinkinPrime]

:lol: at manaknight choosing games over sex
http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/music024.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[daminion]

Doesn't help when you've got your game makers saying that you will cut your price again.

Source (http://uk.reuters.com/article/wtMostRead/idUKN1229896920070712)


Sony Corp is likely to lower the PlayStation 3 price again by the year-end following this week's $100 cut, a senior executive at Japanese game software maker Capcom Co. Ltd. said. "The number of PS2 users is still growing and a shift to the PS3 is on the back burner,"

[gunm]

80gb w/Motorstorm is limited. the 80gb will become $499.

That was my understanding as well. The question I guess is when will that happen?

[DarkNessBear]

So they are phasing out the 60gb and the 80gb is limited.

So that means... PS3 is over?

PS3 ENDS AT THE END OF JULY!

That'd be funny if they just ended hardware supply and the only ones that get to play PS3 games are the ones that purchased them earlier.

[LinkinPrime]

Doesn't help when you've got your game makers saying that you will cut your price again.

Source (http://uk.reuters.com/article/wtMostRead/idUKN1229896920070712)
Holly shit! WTF are they doing???....I'd swear their offices are run by monkeys.

EDIT: Just noticed that the quote if from Capcom, not Sony.

http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/2044/scap7.jpg

[shrike4242]

Doesn't help when you've got your game makers saying that you will cut your price again.

Source (http://uk.reuters.com/article/wtMostRead/idUKN1229896920070712)Which would line up the 80GB PS3 w/o EE w/o Motorstorm at $499.99 for the holiday season, and the Motostorm "bungle" at $599.99 will probably disappear.

[mykevermin]

Holly shit! WTF are they doing???....I'd swear their offices are run by monkeys.

I hate to have to go there, but you do bring it on yourself, you know...

A different sort of monkey than those who sell a console with a near-certainty of failure (http://www.fastsilicon.com/latest-news/microsoft-admits-all-xbox360s-are-defective.html?Itemid=60), sure, but monkeys nonetheless.

Bring on the console that doesn't die at an astronomical rate, monkeys!

[botticus]

So they are phasing out the 60gb and the 80gb is limited.

So that means... PS3 is over?

PS3 ENDS AT THE END OF JULY!

That'd be funny if they just ended hardware supply and the only ones that get to play PS3 games are the ones that purchased them earlier.Funny in the sad sense, or funny in the "haha, no companies make games for an install base of under 10 million." Oh wait. ;)

Though if it were to end, it would remain eerily similar to the Saturn lifecycle, as it has begun.

[seanr1221]

They are ALL run by monkeys.

Monkey type A can't price things correctly

Monkey type B can't put out a decent piece of hardware

and Monkey type C enjoys standing on a scale

ZING!

[mykevermin]

and Monkey type C enjoys standing on a scale

While doing a wee bit o' waggling, to be sure.

[vherub]

This whole clusterfuck is a problem of too much information available too quickly.
Im sure it will all be a non-issue 3 months from now.
But at the moment, sony is handling the new price structure for the ps3 in a completely asinine and befuddling manner.

[LinkinPrime]

I hate to have to go there, but you do bring it on yourself, you know...

A different sort of monkey than those who sell a console with a near-certainty of failure (http://www.fastsilicon.com/latest-news/microsoft-admits-all-xbox360s-are-defective.html?Itemid=60), sure, but monkeys nonetheless.

Bring on the console that doesn't die at an astronomical rate, monkeys!
Your comment makes it seem like I'd should have gotten offended...I dunno why I would?

I think seanr1221 put it as simply as it gets.

[zewone]

Oh my god, what the hell is Sony doing?

Is it just me, or does Sony seem very shady, and undermining this generation?

I really don't like the way they do business, but there are a few games they are getting I want to play.

It's all very conflicting.

[Riyonuk]

Excuse my ignorance, but I'm completly confused as of now :/

What is this EE thing everyone keeps referring to? And something about Europe getting a 120GB HDD, and US an 80GB HDD?

Why cant we all just buy a 20GB one, and use some of the many ways to upgrade the HDD, such as the Hyperdrive (http://www.media.ps3scene.com/images/hyperdrive/ps3hd_3.jpg) or the 120GB 2.5" drive?

[CocheseUGA]

Holy WTF Sony.

[LinkinPrime]

Oh my god, what the hell is Sony doing?

Is it just me, or does Sony seem very shady, and undermining this generation?

I really don't like the way they do business, but there are a few games they are getting I want to play.

It's all very conflicting.

I'm in the same boat...last night I was ready to get a 60GB by the end of summer, now...I don't know what to think...I'm baffled!

[CocheseUGA]

I'm in the same boat...last night I was ready to get a 60GB by the end of summer, now...I don't know what to think...I'm baffled!

While not that soon, I am in the same boat. Here I'm thinking 'price cuts...now we're moving into 'buy me' territory' when in fact it's a 'let's charge the old price and make believe people are getting a deal' time.

Someone wake me up when EE machines drop below $300.

[NamPaehc]

Okay what it is the problem? This has been cleared up hasn't it? Why are people still confused about???

[SithFran]

I was primed to buy but I think I'll just sit this out and take the approach of going through my backlog until the PS3 is $200.

Why is it that every third home system a company makes is riddled with issues? Saturn. N64. PS3. The way it's going, the 360 will win this gen, but stay away from the next MS system. Anyone else ever notice that?

[orimental]

What is this EE thing everyone keeps referring to?


EE refers to the Emotion Engine chip. It's basically the component in the PS3 that allows it to be backwards compatible with PS2 games. But Sony has stated that in the new 80GB model coming out next month that the Emotion Engine chip won't be in it. It will instead use software emulation to play PS2 games instead of being a hardware emulator. This means a lower rate of backwards compatibility (but not by too much) with PS2 games. You'll probably get to play all of the major sellers. But FW updates will have to take care of adding compatibility to some of the minor hits.

[botticus]

Okay what it is the problem? This has been cleared up hasn't it? Why are people still confused about???If SCEA is confused internally, not sure how you can expect the gaming community to be even less so.

[mwynn]

What was wrong with the Saturn besides Sega not supporting it. Sega killed it, just like they did the Genesis.

[CocheseUGA]

What was wrong with the Saturn besides Sega not supporting it. Sega killed it, just like they did the Genesis.

That's more of the point, there seems to be a curse with the third version, seems to make executives stupid.

[TahoeMax]

Or you could try to find one like my soon-to-be fiancee, who told me last night to buy her a $500 cheaper ring so I could also pick up a PS3. Might just take her up on the latter part, but I won't be buying her a cheaper ring.

LOL I was kind of in the same boat recently. I have a PS3 and was about to sell off my 360. I told her we didn't really need two next-gens at the moment, but she looked at me firmly and said "YES WE DO!"

[CrimsonPaw]

LOL I was kind of in the same boat recently. I have a PS3 and was about to sell off my 360. I told her we didn't really need two next-gens at the moment, but she looked at me firmly and said "YES WE DO!"
strummerbs and TahoeMax = two lucky fuckers

When I set my new PS3 up in the living room the wife wouldn't talk to me that night .... that's the first time in 14 years she's gone to be without resolving why she was pissed at me.

Did I need the PS3? No, but I'm glad I got it; every day I'm seeing more and more I like about the system and some of the smart things Sony did (the biggest is sticking to industry standards such as bluetooth, USB, and SATA). I also found it interesting that under settings/system there's an option for "install different operating system".

[Scrubking]

Just when I thought Sony was getting on the right track again they remind us why they are horribly losing this generation.

[Apossum]

They are ALL run by monkeys.

Monkey type A can't price things correctly

Monkey type B can't put out a decent piece of hardware

and Monkey type C enjoys standing on a scale

ZING!


Monkey B puts out $100 20gb HDDs and $200 120gb HDDs, so their pricing isn't quite on the mark either.

but anyway, I agree. This isn't surprising-- the SCEE pres has said stupid shit before. Just like all reps have said stupid shit before.

BUT THAT'S ALL BESIDE THE POINT-- it's over. Sony is finished. :)

[mwynn]

That's more of the point, there seems to be a curse with the third version, seems to make executives stupid.
But the Saturn was Segas second console.

[Apossum]

But the Saturn was Segas second console.


Sega Master System came before the Genesis.

[mwynn]

Monkey B puts out $100 20gb HDDs and $200 120gb HDDs, so their pricing isn't quite on the mark either.

but anyway, I agree. This isn't surprising-- the SCEE pres has said stupid shit before. Just like all reps have said stupid shit before.

BUT THAT'S ALL BESIDE THE POINT-- it's over. Sony is finished. :)
I thought they were finished when they put that crazy dvd player in their console.

[mwynn]

Sega Master System came before the Genesis.
Oh yeah forgot about that console. Which Sega killed. In fact Sega killed all of their consoles.

[Zoglog]

Hey all you fanboys, shut the hell up. It's already been confirmed that Sony Draws Yawns. It's all over. nintendo wins, you gamers all lose. Go play wii fit and stop wasting time here.

[dmaul1114]

Just when I thought Sony was getting on the right track again they remind us why they are horribly losing this generation.

Totally. The finally do something right, only to fuck it up in a matter of days.

[seanr1221]

Just when I thought Sony was getting on the right track again they remind us why they are horribly losing this generation.


Oh PUH-LEASE. Have you read your own blog?

[seanr1221]

He's another Nintendo Nerd. They know absolutely nothing as to what real games are. PS3 has the real games, end of story, and it will be the best console in the future.

Idiot internet nerds just keep spreading FUD on Sony because they want PS3 to die, which it never will.

Throwing stones in a glass house eh?

[The Mana Knight]

Throwing stones in a glass house eh?Better than racking up "nerd points" on XBL. :lol:

[seanr1221]

Better than racking up "nerd points" on XBL. :lol:

Sigh, Ill tell you what I told Dr Mario Kart

My comment on XBL is "achievements are overrated".

Yes, I have a lot, then again I've had a 360 since launch soooo....

[zewone]

Sony knows what they are fucking doing, end of story.
No. They don't. That's why there is conflicting sides to this story.

[gunm]

Monkey B puts out $100 20gb HDDs and $200 120gb HDDs, so their pricing isn't quite on the mark either.

I dunno, as long as people are buying the $100 20Gs and $200 120Gs, I'd say Monkey B's pricing is spot on. ;)

[mykevermin]

I'm telling you exactly what I know. 90% of the games fucking play on the PS3. You don't know anymore than me.

No, I know more than you. You have made numerous claims about 75% BC on software emulation, and via the fact that Sony has sculpted their calculation of that percentage so it is artificially high (unless you own 5 copies of "Tak and the Power of Juju," which in your case may not be too far off the mark). I know enough to tell you that you're wrong, and be right about it.

They are telling the truth retard so STFU.

Some people call you a viral marketer. I disagree; a viral marketer would have savvy and intelligence on their side.

Show me the "truth" in SCEA's response. Show me where they said "we're still manufacturing 60GB systems." Show me where they said "60GB systems will still be in stores this fall/next year/3 years from now." Show me where the official SCEA response said *anything* of substance. Show me that, and I'll show you a person with poor reading comprehension.

[Dr Mario Kart]

So Kaz is denying the video we have of him actually saying exactly that? word for word?

I remind you again http://atvs.vg.no/player/?id=10235

Well, again, just from a hardware perspective, the 499 dollar price adjustment that we did for the 60 GB version, for the american market, uh, we're no longer in production for that product, so uh once that product is gone from the retailer shelves, then we're back to the $599 SKU only, so it's not like we have a two price strategy here in the US market. We found out very early on, you know, consumers react mostly to just having one SKU as opposed to two.

Is it even possible for Mana Knight to mince those words?

[afedock]

...sooo is the price going back to 600 or not?

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6427&Itemid=2

[seanr1221]

I'm done arguing with another Wii60 troll.


:rofl:

[zewone]

I'm done arguing with another Wii60 troll.
If anything, Myke is pro-Sony. :lol:

[whoknows]

You people don't know what you are talking about.

Sony Computer Entertainment has the best wishes for gamers and by releasing the fantastic Sony Playstation 3 console with 80gb of space, more than most gamers would ever need a long with the acclaimed racer Motorstorm being put out in on value packed bundle for only $599 makes me want to purchase a console for my friends and loved ones so we may enjoy Motorstorm on the Playstation Network together so we can always communicate and have fun no matter how far we live from eachother.

Thank you Sony, continue your hard work

Sony, you have my paypal address, please follow through. Thank You

[The Mana Knight]

...sooo is the price going back to 600 or not?

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6427&Itemid=2If you want the MotorStorm Limited Edition bundle, you pay $600. If you don't, you pay $500.

[mykevermin]

I'm done arguing with another Wii60 troll.

Don't make me sic the Ft. Wayne Derby Girls on your ass. If you're not going to bother responding to very reasonable questioning, don't respond at all. This kind of pithy 'nyah, you're a doodiehead!'-caliber response exposes you (as if that were necessary) for what you are (an unpaid advocate for Sony).

If anything, Myke is pro-Sony. :lol:

I prefer "Devil's Advocate" myself. :lol:

It's more the result of too many adolescent years being a punk rock nitwit, and the sort of immediate psychological reaction you develop that regards anything "popular" or "cool" as "crap" (it makes the most sense with regards to music). It's not a very good excuse, but it is how I operate (whether I like it or not).

Do I defend the PS3 here more? Sure, I can't deny that. Do I actually prefer the PS3? Maybe, though I admit I like my 360 and Wii as well. Do I think Sony will "win" this generation? Only if "this generation" lasts 7 years.

[Zoglog]

The funniest part about this is it's basically non news. If you like the price cut, just buy the system now. there are tons of great deals on the 60GB version now with free stuff bundled with it. It's not like there's gonna be another price cut... And even if they happen to price cut the 80GB model without motor storm to $499 this holiday it's only 20GB of hd space.................

this is a non issue either way -_-........

[dmaul1114]

He's another Nintendo Nerd. They know absolutely nothing as to what real games are. PS3 has the real games, end of story, and it will be the best console in the future.


PS3 has nothing I want exclusive at the moment aside from the final fantasy series.

The PS2 was my most played console last gen, but it's looking more and more like I won't get a PS3 at all. It's just way to expensive (even at $500) and exclusive series are jumping ship left and right.

It's said Sony managed to fuck it up so bad this gen, when they did everything right last time around.

The early price drop was giving me some hope we see it in the $250-300 range in another year, but it's not looking good if they are indeed canning the 60gb version.

[Nelo Ice]

well the only game i kinda wanna try on ps3 is little big planet..o god i made an opinion and didnt praise ps3 :hot:

[dallow]

SCEE never knows what the heck USA and Japan are doing.

[shrike4242]

This thread is so much nicer when Mana Knight is on the ignore list. :D

Anything of relevance will be quoted by someone and answered in a truthful fashion. :D

[zewone]

SCEE never knows what the heck USA and Japan are doing.
It came out of Kaz's mouth too.

[bigdaddy]

MGS4 says high. Sony still has the best first party games by far that Nintendo and MS combined cannot compete with.

PS3 is still getting those games for the most part. $500 isn't much, just get a good job.

Last gen, they might a cheap console, with faults, made you buy a network adapter seperately, overpriced small memory cards, made you buy a multi-tap to play multi-player, and a whole lot of stuff. PS2 was basically a PS1 with slightly better graphics and a DVD player. PS3 is so much more and definitely worth it.

They will cut the price down. Like I said before, the 80GB will be $500 once the 60GB model is cleared out. Anyone who doesn't see this is very stupid.

1. Now we see who the Sony fanboy troll is. My god that was such a dumb thing to say. Will you say that once the PS3 sells so little that MGS4 is a 360 title?

2. I did sign up for a site called Cheap Ass Gamer right?

3. How is the PS3 more? There are better graphics, and a blu-ray drive. Your agruement is insane. All the colsoles ever just added a little more. The Wii is so much more than the Gamecube, but you could just come back and say it's it's an Xbox with a dvd remote.

And lastly my favorite quote.. "They will lower the price"... no shit? really? When will they lower the price? Christmas? Next year? 2034?

I can't tell if you are ignorant or just batshit insane.

This thread is so much nicer when Mana Knight is on the ignore list. :D


True words might not have ever been spoken. I have never needed to ignore someone, but today I might have too.... after I figure out how....

[The Mana Knight]

This thread is so much nicer when Mana Knight is on the ignore list. :D

Anything of relevance will be quoted by someone and answered in a truthful fashion. :DThat reminds me, I should start ignoring more, since there are some who bug me. Thanks a lot, it will keep my away from replying to them.

3. How is the PS3 more? There are better graphics, and a blu-ray drive. Your agruement is insane. All the colsoles ever just added a little more. The Wii is so much more than the Gamecube, but you could just come back and say it's it's an Xbox with a dvd remote.Okay, let me tell you why:
-Can support up to 7 bluetooth devices (including controllers).
-Blu-ray player
-DVD upscaling
-Stream content from PC
-Plays music on the HDD
-Plays videos on the HDD
-Photo viewer
-Remote play with PSP
-Download games from PS Store
-PSN login with buddy centralized buddy list
-Copy game saves with USB flash, and other devices, without buying expensive memory cards.
-Plug in most any USB device and recognizes it.
-Can run Linux
-Has an internet browser,
-Can cure cancer and other diseases (because of Folding@Home)
-PS1/PS2 Games saves on the HDD

and much more. Now of this PS2 could do.

[LinkinPrime]

WTF is up with "The Mana Knight"?...I didn't think anyone would be that bad...but damn. Nomiated for worst CAG ever!!!

Get your head out of your ass, take a shower and go out into the real world. No wonder Sony "Home" got your panties wet, its a virtual MySpace sausege-fest!

The way you post gives Sony fanboys a bad name, most of them here can't even stand you...Companies make bad decisions, from time to time deal with it.

[dallow]

It came out of Kaz's mouth too.Yeah, just read that.
Sony. WTF?

However, still strong possibility that 60GB will go away, and the 80GB will drop in price, sans Motorstorm.

[The Mana Knight]

WTF is up with "The Mana Knight"?...I didn't think anyone would be that bad...but damn. Nomiated for worst CAG ever!!!

Get your head out of your ass, take a shower and go out into the real world. No wonder Sony "Home" got your panties wet, its a virtual MySpace sausege-fest!

The way you post gives Sony fanboys a bad name, most of them here can't even stand you...Companies make bad decisions, from time to time deal with it.Okay, I'll admit everything.

There's no denying, I am a Sony fan. I really like my PS3 now and I've enjoyed all my PlayStation platforms. I will NOT lie, Sony does stupid things from time to time, but I'm not going to start supporting MS or Nintendo anytime soon, because I do enjoy PS3 and I can't wait for many of their first party games. But at the same time, all the hate Sony gets here really bothers me. Every time some thread about some positive PS3 news is posted, all the Wii60 nerds come in and start bashing Sony and PS3 (even non-owners). I'm just getting tired of it, which is why I'm arguing and saying kind of dumb stuff. There's no denying I'm a little sensitive towards negative comments towards my PS3 because its somewhat like my child. I really like mine and want it to be around. The bashing can make me feel insecure at times, which is why I blow up.

Most Sony fanboys here who know me personally, know I'm really not bad, I just get very defensive over the PlayStation brand, which has been one of the most important things in my life. I really like my PlayStation and I'd seriously cry if it came to an end one day.
Yeah, just read that.
Sony. WTF?

However, still strong possibility that 60GB will go away, and the 80GB will drop in price, sans Motorstorm.Yeah, but also, Sony may still have tons of 60GB consoles sitting in the factory now, we really don't know right now. And if it is being discountinued, then why is Europe and Japan still getting a 60GB model? Right now, only Sony themselves knows, and they aren't answering the question. It's best to just enjoy our PS3 and forget what just happened.

[munch]

WTF is up with "The Mana Knight"?...I didn't think anyone would be that bad...but damn. Nomiated for worst CAG ever!!!

Get your head out of your ass, take a shower and go out into the real world. No wonder Sony "Home" got your panties wet, its a virtual MySpace sausege-fest!

The way you post gives Sony fanboys a bad name, most of them here can't even stand you...Companies make bad decisions, from time to time deal with it.

:rofl: :applause:

[munch]

Okay, I'll admit everything.

There's no denying, I am a Sony fan. I really like my PS3 now and I've enjoyed all my PlayStation platforms. I will NOT lie, Sony does stupid things from time to time, but I'm not going to start supporting MS or Nintendo anytime soon, because I do enjoy PS3 and I can't wait for many of their first party games. But at the same time, all the hate Sony gets here really bothers me. Every time some thread about some positive PS3 news is posted, all the Wii60 nerds come in and start bashing Sony and PS3 (even non-owners). I'm just getting tired of it, which is why I'm arguing and saying kind of dumb stuff. There's no denying I'm a little sensitive towards negative comments towards my PS3 because its somewhat like my child. I really like mine and want it to be around. The bashing can make me feel insecure at times, which is why I blow up.

Most Sony fanboys here who know me personally, know I'm really not bad, I just get very defensive over the PlayStation brand, which has been one of the most important things in my life. I really like my PlayStation and I'd seriously cry if it came to an end one day.
Yeah, but also, Sony may still have tons of 60GB consoles sitting in the factory now, we really don't know right now. And if it is being discountinued, then why is Europe and Japan still getting a 60GB model? Right now, only Sony themselves knows, and they aren't answering the question. It's best to just enjoy our PS3 and forget what just happened.

:rofl: Please tell me you aren't serious. Wait, I kind of hope you are. :rofl:

[elmyra]

This thread is so much nicer when Mana Knight is on the ignore list. :D
Are you insane? This is comedy gold! GOLD, I TELL YOU!

[zewone]

Okay, I'll admit everything.

There's no denying, I am a Sony fan. I really like my PS3 now and I've enjoyed all my PlayStation platforms. I will NOT lie, Sony does stupid things from time to time, but I'm not going to start supporting MS or Nintendo anytime soon, because I do enjoy PS3 and I can't wait for many of their first party games. But at the same time, all the hate Sony gets here really bothers me. Every time some thread about some positive PS3 news is posted, all the Wii60 nerds come in and start bashing Sony and PS3 (even non-owners). I'm just getting tired of it, which is why I'm arguing and saying kind of dumb stuff. There's no denying I'm a little sensitive towards negative comments towards my PS3 because its somewhat like my child. I really like mine and want it to be around. The bashing can make me feel insecure at times, which is why I blow up.

Most Sony fanboys here who know me personally, know I'm really not bad, I just get very defensive over the PlayStation brand, which has been one of the most important things in my life. I really like my PlayStation and I'd seriously cry if it came to an end one day.

You need professional help.

[whoknows]

You need professional help.
No way.

He shouldn't pay professionals to help. What kind of job is that anyway? They don't DESERVE money.

CAG is here so he doesn't have to pay :-P

[elmyra]

Most Sony fanboys here who know me personally, know I'm really not bad, I just get very defensive over the PlayStation brand, which has been one of the most important things in my life. I really like my PlayStation and I'd seriously cry if it came to an end one day.


Oh, man. This is simultaneously the saddest and greatest thing I've ever read on CAG. :rofl:

[dmaul1114]

MGS4 says high. Sony still has the best first party games by far that Nintendo and MS combined cannot compete with.

PS3 is still getting those games for the most part. $500 isn't much, just get a good job.

Last gen, they might a cheap console, with faults, made you buy a network adapter seperately, overpriced small memory cards, made you buy a multi-tap to play multi-player, and a whole lot of stuff. PS2 was basically a PS1 with slightly better graphics and a DVD player. PS3 is so much more and definitely worth it.

They will cut the price down. Like I said before, the 80GB will be $500 once the 60GB model is cleared out. Anyone who doesn't see this is very stupid.

1. I hate the MGS series. And I've not cared much for Sony's first party games in general. Only thing I'll miss are the Ratchet and Sly series, and they pretty much beat those to death last generation anyway. It was the overwhelming 3rd party support that made the PS2 the place to be last gen.

2. I can afford $500, I just don't game enough to justify it. Much less for a console that has the fewest exclusives that interest me (only Final Fantasy, and to a much lesser extent, God of War as of right now).

3. I don't care about all the extra crap. I just want to play games. I wouldn't mind a Blu Ray player for my HD TV, but I'm not itching for it either as upconverted DVDs look damn good, and I don't think Blu Ray or HD-DVD will ever catch on in the mainstream the way DVDs have anyway. As such they'll never have the impressive library of films, particularly older titles.

4. $300 or bust for me for a console. Period. Again, games aren't my top hobby any more, and I spend more time doing other thigns otu of the house, and more time watching DVDs when home than I do on games these days. As such, it's just not worth more than $200-300 per console for me.

And again, this is Cheapassgamer.com, so what the fuck to you expect? :D

[Dr Mario Kart]

Another article/quote to contend with: http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/13/sony-says-60gb-is-not-over-in-us/

The 60GB PS3 will be available in North America for $499 until supplies of that unit are depleted. We have ample inventory to meet the immediate needs of consumers in this territory for several months to come. We won't be making any further announcements regarding our hardware offerings in the North America at this time.

I'm sure he was mistaken along with Reeves and Kaz though. So much false information being spread!

[dmaul1114]

Oh, man. This is simultaneously the saddest and greatest thing I've ever read on CAG. :rofl:

No shit. He really needs to get a life if what he wrote is remotely true.

It's just a piece of hardware to play games on for god's sake!

[The Mana Knight]

Well, I'm out of things to say (Just leave my personal problems to PMs, I'll discuss everything), but if you want a PS3, go buy one now at $500. If you want to wait until it gets cheaper, go ahead and wait, it eventually will. I felt $600 is too much for a gaming console, but $500 was perfect, which is why I'm glad I bought my 20GB model. To an extent, I'm debating whether I buy another PS3 (a 60GB model), just for I can have WiFi and larger HDD space.

[NamPaehc]

To an extent, I'm debating whether I buy another PS3 (a 60GB model), just for I can have WiFi and larger HDD space.

You can do that cheaper (getting bigger HD and wifi) by buying a sata HD and wifi adapter for your currenty PS3 (seen some CAG's getting adapter for around $25).

[dallow]

Gosh dmaul1114 (http://cheapassgamer.com/forums/member.php?u=24663), It's like you don't want your Wii, or a PS3.

[gunm]

Another article/quote to contend with: http://www.joystiq.com/2007/07/13/sony-says-60gb-is-not-over-in-us/



I'm sure he was mistaken along with Reeves and Kaz though. So much false information being spread!

Lot of back and forth/wiping shoe goo out of the mouths:

60Gig has stopped production. There's still lots of units (or something) out there in store inventories. They're now saying they have enough to keep consumer demand satisfied for a few months.

[dmaul1114]

Gosh dmaul1114 (http://cheapassgamer.com/forums/member.php?u=24663), It's like you don't want your Wii, or a PS3.

Pretty much. Well I want the Wii for Metroid and Mario, not sure after that. PS3 currently has no appeal to me at all, despite the PS2 being my most played last gen. I just can't see buying one this gen.

360 is where it's at, but $400 is still too much for a game machine. If it drops to $300 for the premium I'll be all over it.

But yes, in general this generation has sucked balls so far IMO.

[Zoglog]

this is kind of funny, the SCEE guy totally fucked it up :). poor Sony PR guys have to clean up this mess

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6430&Itemid=2

like I said it's all irrelevant since the 60GB is still plentiful and still $499.

[The Mana Knight]

this is kind of funny, the SCEE guy totally fucked it up :). poor Sony PR guys have to clean up this mess

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6430&Itemid=2

like I said it's all irrelevant since the 60GB is still plentiful and still $499.That same guy also said the popularity of GTA4 will fade, and MS buying the extra content is meaningless. The guy is a moron and should be fired asap. Even I could do a better job running SCEE.

[whoknows]

It's pretty simple.

If you want a 60gb get one before they run out in the coming months...this thread really doesn't need as much arguing as it has.

[mwynn]

It's pretty simple.

If you want a 60gb get one before they run out in the coming months...this thread really doesn't need as much arguing as it has.
But it is a thread about Sony. What else would there be to talk about?

Always take a wait and see with all news stories in the internet age. Everyone is always trying to be first without knowing all the facts.

[dmaul1114]

It's pretty simple.

If you want a 60gb get one before they run out in the coming months...this thread really doesn't need as much arguing as it has.

The problem is a lot of people still think $500 for the 60GB is too much, and were hoping this was just the first of a series of price drops that would happen every six months or so from here on out.

But if they drop it, and keep the 80gb at $600, then it will likely be a LONG time before it hits that $250-300 sweet spot.

But know skin off my nose as all they're doing is killing their own sales which will kill any chance they have of getting new 3rd party exclusives. I can live without Final Fantasy XIII and Sony's 1st party stuff.

[whoknows]

The problem is a lot of people still think $500 for the 60GB is too much, and were hoping this was just the first of a series of price drops that would happen every six months or so from here on out.

But if they drop it, and keep the 80gb at $600, then it will likely be a LONG time before it hits that $250-300 sweet spot.

But know skin off my nose as all they're doing is killing their own sales which will kill any chance they have of getting new 3rd party exclusives. I can live without Final Fantasy XIII and Sony's 1st party stuff.
It WILL be a long time before it gets that cheap. No doubt about it. Expecting it to get that cheap anytime soon is expecting way too much.

[anomynous]

this is easily thread of the year

[mykevermin]

As I said before, knowing 2 things to be the case:
1) The Motorstorm bundle is $600
2) The Motorstorm bundle is a 'limited edition' (based on the box, at any rate)

Then we won't see it forever. Eventually it will be replaced by another set (sweet jesus stop changing the system configuration at the very least - have SKUs out the wazoo, but quit fuckin' with the system itself!).

The most plausible scenario is the 80GB moving down to the $500 pricepoint once 60GB are depleted enough - the presence of a handful of 20GB on the market did not stop the 60GB from moving to $500, and, likewise, if the 60GB are mostly sold out come Fall, then nothing will stop the 80GB from taking its spot.

Sony is making too much noise at the moment, so much so that they managed to damage the one flippin' thing - the $500 60GB PS3 - that had quelled a LOT of the anti-Sony sentiment. Their employees need to keep their fuckin' mouths shut, y'know? Kaz, the Euro guy...the whole gang.

I'm a little sensitive towards negative comments towards my PS3 because its somewhat like my child. I really like mine and want it to be around. The bashing can make me feel insecure at times, which is why I blow up.

:shock:

May I recommend:
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[apokalipze2]

Okay, I'll admit everything.

There's no denying, I am a Sony fan. I really like my PS3 now and I've enjoyed all my PlayStation platforms. I will NOT lie, Sony does stupid things from time to time, but I'm not going to start supporting MS or Nintendo anytime soon, because I do enjoy PS3 and I can't wait for many of their first party games. But at the same time, all the hate Sony gets here really bothers me. Every time some thread about some positive PS3 news is posted, all the Wii60 nerds come in and start bashing Sony and PS3 (even non-owners). I'm just getting tired of it, which is why I'm arguing and saying kind of dumb stuff. There's no denying I'm a little sensitive towards negative comments towards my PS3 because its somewhat like my child. I really like mine and want it to be around. The bashing can make me feel insecure at times, which is why I blow up.

Most Sony fanboys here who know me personally, know I'm really not bad, I just get very defensive over the PlayStation brand, which has been one of the most important things in my life. I really like my PlayStation and I'd seriously cry if it came to an end one day.
Please kill yourself http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/%7Ekrupski/smilies/suicide2.gif

[lawdood]

Most Sony fanboys here who know me personally, know I'm really not bad, I just get very defensive over the PlayStation brand, which has been one of the most important things in my life. I really like my PlayStation and I'd seriously cry if it came to an end one day.


OMFG :rofl:

This deserves to be posted on every message board on the interweb.

[mtxbass1]

Sony seriously needs to keep their talking heads better informed. Stuff like this can cause 'massive damage' to their brand.

Edit: Has anyone ever noticed that both Slidecage and The Mana Knight both live in Fort Wayne, IN? What the hell do they put in the water over there?

[The Mana Knight]

I can live without Final Fantasy XIII and Sony's 1st party stuff.As big as I am into PlayStation, I can't live without a Nintendo platform or MS platform. I really like video games and want to have access to all the games available. Everyone produces first party games which are must haves. I don't own a Wii right now and it's kind of driving me crazy for not owning one right now (I hope to get one). I just couldn't live without owning every platform personally.
Sony seriously needs to keep their talking heads better informed. Stuff like this can cause 'massive damage' to their brand.The thing is, MS is more centralized while SCE is more divided into territories. Because of that, they don't always know what's going on at each part of the world.

As for slidecage (let's not get into this), we live on opposite sides of town and never met before. He's cool so shut up.

[Zoglog]

Fanboys in General are all the same. It doesn't matter which brand they sport. Nintendo fanboys are just as annoying as 360 fanboys and Sony Fanboys.

and all I really see is a whole lot of fanboys arguing with each other....

[mtxbass1]

As for slidecage (let's not get into this), we live on opposite sides of town and never met before. He's cool so shut up.

But you do both drink from the same water system right?:-k

[The Mana Knight]

But you do both drink from the same water system right?:-kNo, I just drink bottle water or too much Pepsi. ;)

[Apossum]

Okay, I'll admit everything.

There's no denying, I am a Sony fan. I really like my PS3 now and I've enjoyed all my PlayStation platforms. I will NOT lie, Sony does stupid things from time to time, but I'm not going to start supporting MS or Nintendo anytime soon, because I do enjoy PS3 and I can't wait for many of their first party games. But at the same time, all the hate Sony gets here really bothers me. Every time some thread about some positive PS3 news is posted, all the Wii60 nerds come in and start bashing Sony and PS3 (even non-owners). I'm just getting tired of it, which is why I'm arguing and saying kind of dumb stuff. There's no denying I'm a little sensitive towards negative comments towards my PS3 because its somewhat like my child. I really like mine and want it to be around. The bashing can make me feel insecure at times, which is why I blow up.

Most Sony fanboys here who know me personally, know I'm really not bad, I just get very defensive over the PlayStation brand, which has been one of the most important things in my life. I really like my PlayStation and I'd seriously cry if it came to an end one day.


Yeah, but also, Sony may still have tons of 60GB consoles sitting in the factory now, we really don't know right now. And if it is being discountinued, then why is Europe and Japan still getting a 60GB model? Right now, only Sony themselves knows, and they aren't answering the question. It's best to just enjoy our PS3 and forget what just happened.





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[dmaul1114]

As big as I am into PlayStation, I can't live without a Nintendo platform or MS platform. I really like video games and want to have access to all the games available. Everyone produces first party games which are must haves. I don't own a Wii right now and it's kind of driving me crazy for not owning one right now (I hope to get one). I just couldn't live without owning every platform personally.
The thing is, MS is more centralized while SCE is more divided into territories. Because of that, they don't always know what's going on at each part of the world.


I had all three last gen. But I'm lucky if I can even put 5 hours a week into games this generation as I'm much busier than before. My interest in gaming has waned some as well, on top of having less leisure time.

So definitely no need for all 3, and the Wii60 is the best bet price and gamewise right now for my tastes and budget, so Sony is the odd man out. Maybe I'll pick one up toward the end of the generation when they're dirt cheap and there's a ton of $10-20 games.

[RedvsBlue]

Sony is getting exceedingly good at stealing their own thunder. The most positive news for them lately was the price drop so how do they turn that around? Announce that its merely an inventory closeout sale!

[bigdaddy]

We got this clarified statement from Karraker, who said "The 60GB PS3 will be available in North America for $499 until supplies of that unit are depleted. We have ample inventory to meet the immediate needs of consumers in this territory for several months to come. We won't be making any further announcements regarding our PS3 model hardware strategy in North America until the 60GB model is exhausted and market conditions are evaluated."

So in other words...

"The PS3 is selling like shit because it is shit and has so few games because it's selling like shit and no one is developing for it. So because of how shity our product is, and the fact no one wants it we are putting them on clearence for the low low price of only $500!!! But as soon as there might be ok games to play we will release an even newer model with 500GB of memory for the low low price of $2,500! That's a low price because it can cure diseases."

[lawdood]

Edit: Has anyone ever noticed that both Slidecage and The Mana Knight both live in Fort Wayne, IN? What the hell do they put in the water over there?

Someone def needs to do some toxicology testing in that city.

[whoknows]

No, you see no one really knows what The Matrix is exactly. We think what we are doing is real, but real is something we don't want to know.

The Matrix has you

[Apossum]

So in other words...

"The PS3 is selling like shit because it is shit and has so few games because it's selling like shit and no one is developing for it. So because of how shity our product is, and the fact no one wants it we are putting them on clearence for the low low price of only $500!!! But as soon as there might be ok games to play we will release an even newer model with 500GB of memory for the low low price of $2,500! That's a low price because it can cure diseases."


wow, are we stuck in January of 2007 or what?

[Sexbomb]

Here is how I see it.

They are tricking us consumers. Everyeone will rush to pick up a 60g PS3 before they are gone and when the rush subsides, they will begin production again of the 60 gig.

amirite?

[The Mana Knight]

Here is how I see it.

They are tricking us consumers. Everyeone will rush to pick up a 60g PS3 before they are gone and when the rush subsides, they will begin production again of the 60 gig.

amirite?If anything, they want to make people buy the 60GB now because they are suppose to be discontinued. They want people to think the 80GB is more so people go with the 60GB. Once 60GB is gone, sell 80GB for $500. They got rid of all the 60GB models and can now move to the 80GB, to save money.

[bigdaddy]

If anything, they want to make people buy the 60GB now because they are suppose to be discontinued. They want people to think the 80GB is more so people go with the 60GB. Once 60GB is gone, sell 80GB for $500. They got rid of all the 60GB models and can now move to the 80GB, to save money.

You are the god damn dumbest fuck I have ever seen here.

[Dr Mario Kart]

That is the correct logic though. Clearly they would rather have a $500 than $600 price point. Clearly they want only one SKU. They're not going to keep the 80 gig at $600.

[depascal22]

That strategy didn't work with the 20gb. Why would it work with the 60gb? People will want the best thing possible. If they're going to put down that amount cash, they better get the highest end piece of hardware their money can buy.

[furyk]

Eh, that's what there strategy probably will be. They'll ditch Motorstorm post holiday season and drop the price again in March after all of the 60 GB PS3s are out of stock. A 60 GB PS3 will not sell to the average consumer when sitting next to an 80 GB one when they're at the same price. This isn't a huge deal folks. Having said that, I really need the cash to pick up a PS3 right now.

[bigdaddy]

They might, But I don't see the 80GB droping before Thanksgiving, but that doesn't change the fact of how amazingly foolish he is.

[furyk]

The statement you quoted is the truth though. Sony is doing this to try and save money by getting rid of the emotion engine from their systems. They're also not completely screwing the consumer because they're giving them the extra 20 GB of space in lieu of the EE. Mana Knight may post a lot of things I disagree with, but that's something he's right on the money with.

[The Mana Knight]

But everyone please, let's NOT jump to conclusions until there are next to no 60GB PS3 consoles available. Right now, lets just be happy there's a pricecut. If there are no 60GB PS3 consoles left and if Sony is charging $600 for an 80GB with MotorStorm, then we can all complain at the official PS Blog telling them how stupid they are.

If Sony sees PS3 isn't selling well, they WILL drop the price more (also, Sony stated themselves they want to please third party publishers and if they don't, they'll make a lot upset). If E3 would have been sooner, I guarantee Sony would have dropped the PS3 price sooner. The PS3 is the most important product to them and they will do what it takes to push it (If you notice, they ignore PSP and PS2 a lot, because PS3 is their main focus).

Like I said before, if Sony plans to cut the price of the 80GB model, they are not going to answer that question now because they want to get rid of the 60GB model first. If they told everyone know it would be priced at $500, I guarantee PS3 would lose many potential sales until the 80GB is out, and they might have trouble pushing the 60GB out (unless it was some magical price like $400).

Although if I was running Sony, this is what I'd do:
-Price the 60GB at $499.99
-Price the 80GB MotorStorm bundle at $559.99.

Those who want MotorStorm can get the game for free, and get larger HDD space. Although the 60GB might be phased out slower, it will still occur, since there are people out there who don't want MotorStorm. Once the 60GB is gone, drop MotorStorm and retail at $499.99 (or if anything, just leave MotorStorm in and expose more people to the game).

[trq]

Wait. To sum up nine pages of posts: The 60gig is $500, and the 80gig is $600. The 60gig isn't being made anymore, so when it's gone, it's gone, and EE BC with it. Then the price drop will be negated by the $600 unit being the only one available, until they kill Motorstorm, and make the 80 gig $500.

So basically, this is all some elaborate method of Sony saying there'll be a price drop ... eventually. Got it. Well, at least it's in line with whatever the hell they're thinking pricing the slim PSP at $200 with a bunch of pack-in crap.

Also, The Mana Knight = DragonLordFrodo?

[The Mana Knight]

So basically, this is all some elaborate method of Sony saying there'll be a price drop ... eventually. Got it. Well, at least it's in line with whatever the hell they're thinking pricing the slim PSP at $200 with a bunch of pack-in crap.

Also, The Mana Knight = DragonLordFrodo?The core PSP price isn't changing price though. They aren't telling us though, but that's the case. I'm paying an extra $30 since I want silver.

Who is that???

[Zoglog]

this news is just media sensationalization. Anyone making a big deal out of this one way or another is being too damn fanboy. Just let the announcements flow, nothing's really changed. Yer all just a bunch of rubbernecking fucktards :D

This whole situation is just lols :)

My fav bits are the ones like

Yesterday: "OMG PS3 Price Drop! I'm so getting one tomorrow after that press conference and announcements!"
Today: "WTF!? No price Drop!? Huh!? 60GB phasing out?! OMG! Screw you Sony I no get you no mores!"

and it's like... "dood you can still get it for $499....."

btw, nintendo wins, unanimously....

[furyk]

Well we all know Nintendo wins. They could sell a Holocaust simulator to the Weinstein Brothers.

[Zoglog]

lol, I just love how all this ruckus was caused by the SCEE being backed into a corner and trying to shift negative attention to the US when grilled about how the EU wasn't getting any price cuts. Oh man, I think the only thing worth following here is to see if that guy gets fired :D

[botticus]

lol, I just love how all this ruckus was caused by the SCEE being backed into a corner and trying to shift negative attention to the US when grilled about how the EU wasn't getting any price cuts. Oh man, I think the only thing worth following here is to see if that guy gets fired :DWell, it seems like he blew it, but the Kaz interview looked to have been recorded the day of the conference... so I think he blew it first, which is probably why the SCEE guy didn't think it was a big deal to talk about it (it was a European TV station?).

The moral of the story is, no one understands PR at Sony.

And as far as why this is somewhat annoying, is because it seemed like now was the time to jump in if $500 was an okay price point for you (or closer to $400 if you could work the deals right). But now that we are starting to understand Sony's apparent plan here, there's no point in jumping in now to grab a $500 PS3 when there isn't anything you're interested in - there will be a better $500 PS3 next year, or even in 6 months, not just the same thing at $400.

[trq]

The core PSP price isn't changing price though. They aren't telling us though, but that's the case. I'm paying an extra $30 since I want silver.

Who is that???

Well, if you're inclined to buy a regular one at $170, then the slim is probably worth the extra $30. That makes sense. But as much as I'm tempted to finally pull the trigger on a slim, I can't help but want to wait until they drop all the extra stuff I have no interest in. In short, I'd rather the system were cheaper, rather than the same ol' price, but with more stuff I don't want. It's a subtle but important difference.

[Zoglog]

Well, it seems like he blew it, but the Kaz interview looked to have been recorded the day of the conference... so I think he blew it first, which is probably why the SCEE guy didn't think it was a big deal to talk about it (it was a European TV station?).

The moral of the story is, no one understands PR at Sony.

And as far as why this is somewhat annoying, is because it seemed like now was the time to jump in if $500 was an okay price point for you (or closer to $400 if you could work the deals right). But now that we are starting to understand Sony's apparent plan here, there's no point in jumping in now to grab a $500 PS3 when there isn't anything you're interested in - there will be a better $500 PS3 next year, or even in 6 months, not just the same thing at $400.

seems like the execs need to go into home more often and synchronize :D

[The Mana Knight]

Well, if you're inclined to buy a regular one at $170, then the slim is probably worth the extra $30. That makes sense. But as much as I'm tempted to finally pull the trigger on a slim, I can't help but want to wait until they drop all the extra stuff I have no interest in. In short, I'd rather the system were cheaper, rather than the same ol' price, but with more stuff I don't want. It's a subtle but important difference.I was trying to tell you, the slim core will be $170, but the slim bundles will be $200. I could save $30 and get black, but I rather have silver.

[botticus]

seems like the execs need to go into home more often and synchronize :D:rofl:

"Hey Kaz... RIIIIIIIIIDGE RACERRRR!"

While that was good, I have to say that Shrike gave me my first laugh of this thread. Enjoying his non-mod status to the max. :lol:

[SithFran]

Anyone know when the guitars will be able to hook up to the PS3? What about dance mats?

[botticus]

So what are we estimating as far as the duration of the availability of the 60GB model? Assuming 1.2 million in the pipeline, I would have said maybe 6-8 months at $500. That's averaging more than double their current sales (which takes into account holiday uptick).

But with this news that the 80GB will likely be $500 shortly after the 60GB goes away, I'm thinking sales of the 60GB won't double after all. So maybe sticking with the high-end 8-10 month range?

[The Mana Knight]

Anyone know when the guitars will be able to hook up to the PS3? What about dance mats?Dance mats work with the pelican adapter. As for Guitars, blame Red Octane on that one, for trying to protect against copy right, and made any adapter not work for GH2.

Although many may think I'm a blind Sony fanboy (I only do this here because it seems to be anti-Sony, so I will support them more. If its a PlayStation site, I tend to be more critical of Sony). This is what I posted at the blog, showing some anger at them:

Sony, I love PlayStation, but I gotta say something.

The general public does NOT have $599.99 for a game console. Many of them feel its way too much for a console. Pricing the 60GB at $499.99 was an excellent move and Sony should never charge $599.99 for a console again. If you want to release the MotorStorm bundle, sell it at $549.99-$579.99, to keep that $599.99 price tag forgotten. If Microsoft really drops the price of every Xbox 360 SKU by $100, you can forget PS3 having any sort of success, especially if you’re trying to compare it against a $599.99 SKU. Please Sony, I really love the PlayStation brand and I’m okay with it being priced slightly more than the 360 (since it is worth more), but do NOT ever price the console more than $499.99 for now. Third party devs will stop bringing games to PS3, your own 1st party game sales won’t be too high (due to a tiny userbase), and the bad press will continue making people weary of buying a PS3. Yes PS2 was successful, but if you keep the price too high, people will buy the competition and skip PS3.

With PS3 being priced at $599.99, you sell 70k a month (which is pathetic saleswise) and you even get beat by the GBA (which is already dead basically). Please, don’t ever price a console at $599.99 only again. If you do, I might have to consider getting rid of all my 175+ PS2 games, 57 PSP games, 50 PS1 games, and 12 PS3 games.

I’m okay with PS3 not being the market leader, but I do want to see decent sales so PS3 gets good support. Sony’s makes the best first party games, but third party devs are greatly important too.

[SithFran]

Gah! Well at least it'll work for GH1. Damn it.

How much are those adapters? Where can I get it?

[Punk_Raven]

Hmm. Is it me or wouldn't Sony have maximized profits by just keeping the one 60 gig SKU yet having it for 500 and have motorstorm packed in for the christmas season? I mean, really, if you wanted 80 gigs you could put it in there yourself. I don't know what they're trying to prove with the 80 gig sku. They want a one SKU system then do it. Keep the 60 gig at 500 and sell that.

[gokou36]

Manufacture changes, maybe the 80gig costs less, or maybe they want to give people more gigs to justify taking out the EE are my guesses.

There is no way they're going to continue with a $599 price point if they want to stay in the console war. The Motorstorm is Limited Edition, so when they get rid of all the 60gigs, they can take Motorstorm out of the 80gig and drop that price down to $499.

[The Mana Knight]

Hmm. Is it me or wouldn't Sony have maximized profits by just keeping the one 60 gig SKU yet having it for 500 and have motorstorm packed in for the christmas season? I mean, really, if you wanted 80 gigs you could put it in there yourself. I don't know what they're trying to prove with the 80 gig sku. They want a one SKU system then do it. Keep the 60 gig at 500 and sell that.Like I said many times, it is cheaper to produce the 80GB SKU, because the EE is removed, less components, and an 80GB HDD is cheaper in bulk (due to being standard).

[Punk_Raven]

Oh, I guess that makes sense then. This all makes sense now. They can make more money off of the 80 gig and then when that's all over they can drop the priceto 500. Dropping the 60 gig to 500 will atleast get rid of stock.
Either way I'm better off finding a 20 gig and putting a new harddrive in it.

[Justin42]

So what are we estimating as far as the duration of the availability of the 60GB model? Assuming 1.2 million in the pipeline, I would have said maybe 6-8 months at $500. That's averaging more than double their current sales (which takes into account holiday uptick).

But with this news that the 80GB will likely be $500 shortly after the 60GB goes away, I'm thinking sales of the 60GB won't double after all. So maybe sticking with the high-end 8-10 month range?

While I find it extremely hard to believe that Sony could survive trying to keep the 80GB unit at $599, it seems equally questionable to assume the second the last 60GB unit sells at $499, the 80GB will drop to take its place.

It seems like the only certainty with Sony this generation is DO NOT ASSUME they will do anything in particular, and definitely don't try to think like a rational person.

That said, it seems like $499 for a 60gb unit is still quite a deal, especially since they're more than likely better built than a $599 (or $499) 80gb unit. (since all initial reports are how overengineered the PS3 is and they have to cut corners somewhere to get prices down right now.)

I seriously doubt the original plan was to ever drop the PS3 below $600 for any reason until E3 2008... (I'm sure the original plan was to have them selling at least as many as the 360, as well, but that didn't turn out so hot. They probably figured holding at around 80% of the 360's monthly sales could keep them in the game until they could get some bigger price drops but the current sales are so slow they're probably not quite sure what to do without ruining the company)

That said, I am surprised at this generation since it seems so much like each company wants to lose-- Sony's insane pricing, MS' failure rate and failure to reduce prices, and Nintendo releasing a system that is arguably way underpowered. Seems like the time could be very right for a Dreamcast-like system (say a system around 80% as powerful as the 360 for $199-$249), but I don't know who would make it.

[The Mana Knight]

That said, I am surprised at this generation since it seems so much like each company wants to lose-- Sony's insane pricing, MS' failure rate and failure to reduce prices, and Nintendo releasing a system that is arguably way underpowered. Seems like the time could be very right for a Dreamcast-like system (say a system around 80% as powerful as the 360 for $199-$249), but I don't know who would make it.I have to agree for the most part.

Despite being a Sony fan, I was a little ticked at Sony for announcing PS3 at $599.99, and I wasn't even going to buy one. Once they added HDMI to the 20GB model ($499.99 is the max I'll pay), I went ahead and bought it, despite knowing the prices will probably drop. I'm into Sony's first party games most, so I was going to buy one, one day. If Sony was working on cutting costs and continuing to drop the price, I'd be fine and I'm okay with it being slightly more than the competitors (especially with how fine the hardware is IMO). But bundling crap, increasing HDD, and other stuff to try to justify the price, that's freaking retarded. I hate that and it makes me upset.

Although I've been an Xbox fan at one point and bought a 360 before my PS3, I'm not a 360 fan either. Many of the big Xbox franchises, I dislike (I hate most all shooters, hate online games, etc.), so its difficult for me to find stuff I like that isn't exclusive. I do like some of its RPGs its getting and I do enjoy some Xbox only racers. But that's not the only problem, I continue having bad luck with MS hardware since my Xbox gave me lots of problems, and my 360 broke just over 90 days, which made me more interested to buy a PS3 (since I knew I couldn't trust the 360 for most multi-platform games). I don't like the hardware itself either (terrible d-pad, loud annoying console that makes me want to quit playing, etc,), so I can't exactly make 360 my main console.

I use to be a big time Nintendo fan with SNES and I liked GBA a lot (other than the terrible sound quality in SNES ports). I even liked the GC more than most people did, but I'm not a fan of the Wii. It's nice that its getting good Japanese support and I love quirky Japanese games (I also hate online gaming, so Nintendo and I aren't a bad mix), but once I got an HDTV, really tough to want to go back to last generation graphics on a console (I'll play a few 2D games, but that's it). I don't like the direction Nintendo is going at all with gaming (lots of mini-game type games, and multi-player focused games, which are negative for me, since I have next to no friends in real life to play with). So Wii isn't exactly the console for me, although I will get one someday for sure.

So I barely know what to do anyway. Only platform making me truly happy right now with the least to worry about is PSP (other than fewer game releases compared to before), since it has the most appealing games to me currently and in the near future, don't have to deal with crazy pricing, and there are still tons of games I want to import for it. I liked PS2 and all before, but its future release schedule isn't big enough to be my main console at the moment (plus my RPG backlog is ridiculous, and any RPG I buy won't be touched, unless it can match my favorites). I wouldn't mind increasing DS support (since it really is more appealing game wise than any next gen console), but the handheld isn't really my cup of tea (not a fan of the touchscreen, prefer games that don't use it, but that's another story). Maybe, I'll stick to handhelds, but I'm already set on buying games on PS3/360 the rest of the year.

[NamPaehc]

I loaded up yahoo and was greeted by:

PS3 price going back up? (http://www.yahoo.com/s/626912)

Sony dropped the cost of its console by $100 this week, but the price cut may be short-lived.

Wow. The media is really going to eat them up on this aren't they?

I wonder, for the non-hardcore what this means. Either they are going to rush up and buy a PS3 because of the savings now, or they are going to turn their noses up. I see more "hardcore" people doing the latter but this little confusion might help sales???

[lobitoh]

LOL It was a mistake xD endgadget has the recent news looks like it was only for EU news. LOl USA will keep having 60gb ps3s :) for 500

[beltresea38]

I don't know if this has been said before but I'll just say it this is my theory on it.

Their thinking is PS3s are selling like shit so they drop the 60GB PS3s to $500 so that could increase sales but then once they are all sold. They will just have 1 SKU at $600 for 80gb hard drive and motorstorm(which could be limited). So if they have 2 SKUs, the bottom one at $500 isn't going to sell at all because people that want a PS3 will be confuse and want the PS3 with the bigger hard drive. Then the thing is PEOPLE THAT WANT PS3 DON'T WANNA SPEND $600 ON A ****IN SYSTEM!

[Apossum]

I don't know if this has been said before but I'll just say it this is my theory on it.

Their thinking is PS3s are selling like shit so they drop the 60GB PS3s to $500 so that could increase sales but then once they are all sold. They will just have 1 SKU at $600 for 80gb hard drive and motorstorm(which could be limited). So if they have 2 SKUs, the bottom one at $500 isn't going to sell at all because people that want a PS3 will be confuse and want the PS3 with the bigger hard drive. Then the thing is PEOPLE THAT WANT PS3 DON'T WANNA SPEND $600 ON A ****IN SYSTEM!



PSA for ranters:

--the discontinuation of the 60gb has been dis-confirmed.
--the 80gb with motorstorm is limited
--I saw Sony looking funny at your gf

[snakelda]

Why is the mana knight on sony's dick?It's pretty fucked up he gives bj's to sony while sony doesn't give a fuck about him.He kind of reminds me of a person from work.He said that rainbow six vegas sucked when it came out on the 360 but now it's the shit now that it's on the ps3.I like the ps3 but come on!

[equest943]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/804/804902p1.html

Hey Apossum, that reads out to be pretty official to me unless the PR manager is planning to kick his own ass tomorrow.

[Vanigan]

Despite what the title of that article says, they know nothing about what's going to happen once the 60gb is out of stock. In fact Sony clearly states that, "We won't be making any further announcements regarding our PS3 model hardware strategy in North America until the 60GB model is exhausted and market conditions are evaluated."

Which means more along the lines of, they want to see how well the $500 price tag on the 60gb version sells before they make any decisions on what to do next. The $500 price drop is still a new thing, remember it's been less than a week since it's come into affect, that's really not enough time to make those key financial calculations and projections. Right now they're probably looking at the sales, looking at how much more they're losing per unit, and trying to decide whether the price drop was worth the sales gains and extra money lost per unit.

With MS poised with its own price drop and the holidays coming up, Sony will have to respond by either keeping their price drop or adding more value, heck they could go even lower.

No one really knows, likely not even the execs. It'll probably come down to an equation involving these factors: How much is Sony losing per unit with the new price point, how many more sales and at what rate are they increasing by since the price cut, how much money is Sony willing to spend (a lot it seems), and will it be enough to get Sony back on track within a certain timeframe. And to get that data, Sony needs to watch the 60gb sales closely.

[The Mana Knight]

Why is the mana knight on sony's dick?It's pretty fucked up he gives bj's to sony while sony doesn't give a fuck about him.He kind of reminds me of a person from work.He said that rainbow six vegas sucked when it came out on the 360 but now it's the shit now that it's on the ps3.I like the ps3 but come on!Sony gives me free stuff, so they care.

[botticus]

PSA for ranters:

--the discontinuation of the 60gb has been dis-confirmed.
--the 80gb with motorstorm is limited
--I saw Sony looking funny at your gfDisconfirmed? How did we go full circle again?

[coolz481]

I'm sure it's been mentioned earlier in the thread, but isn't it possible that once the 'core' 60gb model sells out, Sony will also make an 80gb model available without a pack-in game for $499? I think this is particularly likely if Microsoft times its inevitable price cuts for September for Halo 3's debut (my guess).

[The Mana Knight]

And what people keep forgetting is, SCEA said themselves, whenever they 60GB PS3 sells completely out, they will analyze the market situation and price the console accordingly. That could mean PS3 at $600, $500, $400, etc. We just don't know until the 60GB is no longer available. It will be a LONG time until that happens, since all EB/Gamestop's near me say (4+ PS3 consoles and none coming in).

[zerolens]

Keep in mind that the rumble controller has been all but confirmed. An announcement is likely at Leipzig or Tokyo in the next couple of months. I assume none of the 60GB consoles have a rumble controller, once it's made official that the rumble exists the 60GB consoles will lose some value. They have to get rid of the 60GB consoles and non-rumble controllers fast. I think they want rumble available for this holiday season and packed into the console.

I just tried to find an official PS3 controller on the Gamestop website and can't find it, is it there? Amazon has it $10 cheaper and Circuit City have been giving them away with PS3 console purchases. Seems to me rumble is almost here, these places are trying to get rid of non-rumble controller stock.

The $600 80GB SKU serves 3 purposes IMO. One it gives something for Sony to sell to retailers if the 60GB runs out which I assume is out of production. Two it adds value to the 60GB version. People see another $600 version on the horizon and I doubt an extra 20GB and Motorstorm is worth a $100 to most people, this gives them incentive to buy now rather than to wait. This is good for Sony to clear out old 60GB stock.

Third they may be trying to fool Microsoft into thinking the $500 price is temporary and that $600 will be standard again soon. The last thing Sony needs is a $200 core and $300 premium this holiday season with Halo 3 and GTA4 out there. That $200 core looks tempting for those PS2 owners wanting to play Grand Theft Auto. Honestly it could be the death blow for PS3 this gen if lots of PS2 owners shift over to the 360 at those prices.

That $600 SKU may buy them some time and keep MS at current prices through the holiday. Then when rumble is announced they can offer an 80GB version with rumble packed in and NO Motorstorm and priced at $499. I'm not sure MS would scramble to lower the price in October-December, they would just ride it out if they weren't planning a price drop.

[guinaevere]

Disconfirmed? How did we go full circle again?It has not been disconfirmed. It's official. 60gigs are discontinued, thus the $100 drop. The 80gig w/o the emotion chip is replacing it, at the $599 price.

Classic, Classic Sony move. Truly, this is one for the books.

[The Mana Knight]

Keep in mind that the rumble controller has been all but confirmed. An announcement is likely at Leipzig or Tokyo in the next couple of months. I assume none of the 60GB consoles have a rumble controller, once it's made official that the rumble exists the 60GB consoles will lose some value. They have to get rid of the 60GB consoles and non-rumble controllers fast. I think they want rumble available for this holiday season and packed into the console.

I just tried to find an official PS3 controller on the Gamestop website and can't find it, is it there? Amazon has it $10 cheaper and Circuit City have been giving them away with PS3 console purchases. Seems to me rumble is almost here, these places are trying to get rid of non-rumble controller stock.

The $600 80GB SKU serves 3 purposes IMO. One it gives something for Sony to sell to retailers if the 60GB runs out which I assume is out of production. Two it adds value to the 60GB version. People see another $600 version on the horizon and I doubt an extra 20GB and Motorstorm is worth a $100 to most people, this gives them incentive to buy now rather than to wait. This is good for Sony to clear out old 60GB stock.

Third they may be trying to fool Microsoft into thinking the $500 price is temporary and that $600 will be standard again soon. The last thing Sony needs is a $200 core and $300 premium this holiday season with Halo 3 and GTA4 out there. That $200 core looks tempting for those PS2 owners wanting to play Grand Theft Auto. Honestly it could be the death blow for PS3 this gen if lots of PS2 owners shift over to the 360 at those prices.

That $600 SKU may buy them some time and keep MS at current prices through the holiday. Then when rumble is announced they can offer an 80GB version with rumble packed in and NO Motorstorm and priced at $499. I'm not sure MS would scramble to lower the price in October-December, they would just ride it out if they weren't planning a price drop.You have an excellent point there, because MS is only interested in cutting the price if Sony does. As bad as the core is, $200 is a big impulse price, and casuals will pay that price just to get Halo 3 and GTA4. It kind of sucks Sony won't be able to price PS3 that low for several years (due to a HDD), but at $400, they could definitely move some consoles.

[beltresea38]

MS is going to drop 360s price no matter what, the latest would be October because they waiting for the new chip to be ready. Core should drop to $250 to match Wii for an impulse buy. Premium will go $300 or $350 and elite to $400 or $420/425. Once they do that and if PS3 is $600, Sony is el finished.

[davo1224]

I'm so glad that I'm out of the loop for this generation. I probably would not have bought a console back then if I had to choose between three different versions of the N64 or wait to see which one had better value.

[lanleague]

MS is going to drop 360s price no matter what, the latest would be October because they waiting for the new chip to be ready. Core should drop to $250 to match Wii for an impulse buy. Premium will go $300 or $350 and elite to $400 or $420/425. Once they do that and if PS3 is $600, Sony is el finished.
I think they're going to drop the Elite to $399 MSRP and leave it in white. The current Premium will probably fall to $299 MSRP.

Later in the Fall, Sony will, in my opinion, drop the 60GB model in favor of the 80GB for $499

[bigdaddy]

I don't know if this has been said before but I'll just say it this is my theory on it.

Their thinking is PS3s are selling like shit so they drop the 60GB PS3s to $500 so that could increase sales but then once they are all sold. They will just have 1 SKU at $600 for 80gb hard drive and motorstorm(which could be limited). So if they have 2 SKUs, the bottom one at $500 isn't going to sell at all because people that want a PS3 will be confuse and want the PS3 with the bigger hard drive. Then the thing is PEOPLE THAT WANT PS3 DON'T WANNA SPEND $600 ON A ****IN SYSTEM!

I said that.

And it was on the top of Yahoo's homepage last night/early this morning.

[The Mana Knight]

I think they're going to drop the Elite to $399 MSRP and leave it in white. The current Premium will probably fall to $299 MSRP.

Later in the Fall, Sony will, in my opinion, drop the 60GB model in favor of the 80GB for $499And like I said before, depending upon what MS does price wise, Sony will price the PS3 accordingly (meaning its value should be close).

[Mechafenris]

Whatever happens, and we have established ad-nauseum that sony's got some PR issues.. (but it seems to repeat itself like skipping record), there's no amount of goodwill, free swag, piles of cash, or hookers that will make some people interested in the PS3 (we've seen that in this thread...) Heck, I would wager if the thing was $129 tomorrow, some of the folks who frequent this website would find a reason to hate it.

The real question for me is this: Is this "clearance" (whatever you want to call it) of the 60GB PS3 going to pave the way for the "high end" model that Sony hinted about back earlier in the year? (Admittedly, it was probably a trial balloon...) Something akin to another "PSX" for the HT crowd? Or, is it to bait Microsoft into a price war? Come out with a non-EE 60GB for $399 and add a $499 80GB sans pack-in, with a 250GB (or HT elite) edition to further muddy the consumer market? :) The world may never know until later.

Who knows? Since none of us work for Sony (no, I don't either... in spite of my apathetic disinterest in "hating" them....) we've got plenty of latitude to speculate and have fun with it... :)

We can always bash Microsoft for shoddy workmanship and Sony for poor PR and making an expensive console... those things will never change. ;)

[The Mana Knight]

Whatever happens, and we have established ad-nauseum that sony's got some PR issues.. (but it seems to repeat itself like skipping record), there's no amount of goodwill, free swag, piles of cash, or hookers that will make some people interested in the PS3 (we've seen that in this thread...) Heck, I would wager if the thing was $129 tomorrow, some of the folks who frequent this website would find a reason to hate it.

The real question for me is this: Is this "clearance" (whatever you want to call it) of the 60GB PS3 going to pave the way for the "high end" model that Sony hinted about back earlier in the year? (Admittedly, it was probably a trial balloon...) Something akin to another "PSX" for the HT crowd? Or, is it to bait Microsoft into a price war? Come out with a non-EE 60GB for $399 and add a $499 80GB sans pack-in, with a 250GB (or HT elite) edition to further muddy the consumer market? :) The world may never know until later.

Who knows? Since none of us work for Sony (no, I don't either... in spite of my apathetic disinterest in "hating" them....) we've got plenty of latitude to speculate and have fun with it... :)

We can always bash Microsoft for shoddy workmanship and Sony for poor PR and making an expensive console... those things will never change. ;)Peter Moore from MS makes all Sony's PR look good (except for Reeves).;)

[Nelo Ice]

not sure if this has been posted yet
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/804/804902p1.html

[mkda]

I think they're going to drop the Elite to $399 MSRP and leave it in white. The current Premium will probably fall to $299 MSRP.

Later in the Fall, Sony will, in my opinion, drop the 60GB model in favor of the 80GB for $499

Looks like it:

http://www.dailytech.com/Microsofts+Shane+Kim+Talks+of+Xbox+360+Price+Cuts/article8035.htm

[help1]

Sony gives me free stuff, so they care.

Yea, like HIV and various other STD's since you swallow their load daily.

[Dr Mario Kart]

now now, be nice.

[bigdaddy]

Yea, like HIV and various other STD's since you swallow their load daily.

:rofl:

But that's ok because he seems to think the PS3 can cure diseases.

[Mechafenris]

:rofl:

But that's ok because he seems to think the PS3 can cure diseases.

You know, I think it does cure malaria.... :lol:

[zerolens]

MS is going to drop 360s price no matter what, the latest would be October because they waiting for the new chip to be ready. Core should drop to $250 to match Wii for an impulse buy. Premium will go $300 or $350 and elite to $400 or $420/425. Once they do that and if PS3 is $600, Sony is el finished.

A $50 drop is hardly anything. People waited almost 2 years for a pathetic $50? Only thing you gain out of that deal is being able to buy older games for a cheaper price. They've already screwed around too long giving the Wii tons of sales to casual gamers who are worried about price, and now 2 years later they drop it $50? It has to be $100 or they shouldn't even bother. I would even be tempted to impulse buy a $200 core, but a $50 drop? Forget it at least as far as I'm concerned.

Edit: Not to mention this helps both Sony and Nintendo. Nintendo can easily pull Wii Sports out and drop it $50 if they wanted to and then sell Wii Sports on the shelf for $20-$30. Sony has 65nm cell on the way just like MS has 65nm on the way, but blu-ray has a lot more room to drop than DVD does. Emotion Engine is being pulled out as well so $500 is easy and $400 is very possible once this is in place and if they get desperate to match the 360.

360 is hitting its prime to an extent with Forza, Halo 3, GTA4, Mass Effect, etc. PS3 still has MGS4 in March along with FF13 on the way, more 1st party titles like Killzone and White Knight, and will be able to match 360 game for game a lot better than when the PS3 didn't exist and 360 was getting more exclusives and the advantage of having most games with 360 as the lead platform. Killzone, MGS4, FF13, GT5, etc. will be big pluses for PS3.

[daroga]

:rofl:

But that's ok because he seems to think the PS3 can cure diseases.Folding@Home?

[The Mana Knight]

Yea, like HIV and various other STD's since you swallow their load daily.No, I'm talking about demos, hats, DVD case, etc. You're trying to make fun of someone 7 years older than you.
:rofl:

But that's ok because he seems to think the PS3 can cure diseases.My PS3 has never folded, only plays games, listens to music, watch movies, etc. ;)

[trq]

I was trying to tell you, the slim core will be $170, but the slim bundles will be $200. I could save $30 and get black, but I rather have silver.

You're completely right. I don't know how I missed that.

A $50 drop is hardly anything. People waited almost 2 years for a pathetic $50? Only thing you gain out of that deal is being able to buy older games for a cheaper price. They've already screwed around too long giving the Wii tons of sales to casual gamers who are worried about price, and now 2 years later they drop it $50? It has to be $100 or they shouldn't even bother. I would even be tempted to impulse buy a $200 core, but a $50 drop? Forget it at least as far as I'm concerned.

Well, they can't blow their wad all at once: they need a bit of buffer against future price drops from Sony. If they race to rockbottom, it'll only smack them in the end. And you might be surprised what a $50 drop could do -- look at all the products sold at xx.99 or xx.95, just because the nearest flat dollar makes it seem that much more expensive.

[Apossum]

Disconfirmed? How did we go full circle again?


Because......I....am.......Shane Kim.


no, I dunno, how the hell I'm supposed to keep up with this, they've gone back and forth 10 times. :lol: so the PS3 pricing strat is a cluster fuck. oh well, glad I got one already. back to our regularly scheduled flame war with the Mana Knight.

[SilverPaw750]

No, I'm talking about demos, hats, DVD case, etc. You're trying to make fun of someone 7 years older than you.
No, he's successfully making fun of someone 7 years older than him.

[depascal22]

Why does it matter if you're 7 years older? It just makes it even more pathetic that you'd cry if Sony folded up their gaming tents and went back to just making TVs and stereos.

[PapiChullo]

Guess I better go ahead and snag up my 60 GB PS3, because if I don't get one at $499 and the 80 GB is going to be $599, I won't even think about getting one until it drops.

[bigdaddy]

"We have ample inventory to meet the immediate needs of consumers in this territory for several months to come," Dave Karraker said in an e-mailed response to questions.

Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter said in a research note that Sony had an estimated 2 million to 3 million 60-gigabyte models in inventory and that once they were sold out, it would lower the price on the 80-gigabyte version.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070716/tc_nm/sony_playstation_dc&printer=1;_ylt=AgriHpFtKGUS6BdFFcHe0PJU.3QA

It's almost sad that Sony has fallen this fast and this much. No one wants them. I will laugh if no one wants a PS3 60GB at the new price and they have to drop the price again.

[dallow]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070716/tc_nm/sony_playstation_dc&printer=1;_ylt=AgriHpFtKGUS6BdFFcHe0PJU.3QA

It's almost sad that Sony has fallen this fast and this much. No one wants them. I will laugh if no one wants a PS3 60GB at the new price and they have to drop the price again.Have you not been keeping up? PS3 sales are pretty good since the drop of the 60GB.

Manager at an EB sold 19 of their 21 units. Getting another 30 or so next week, and says tons of people have been calling about it.

Only question is will it last.

[jer7583]

Sony is basically telling consumers not to buy their hardware anytime soon, because they'll switch up the hardware every 7 months and drop the price.

I don't see why they're doing these higher storage versions, since the PS3 has the most easily swappable storage.. Guess people have to have big numbers on the box to tell if something is the best or not.

[bigdaddy]

Have you not been keeping up? PS3 sales are pretty good since the drop of the 60GB.

Manager at an EB sold 19 of their 21 units. Getting another 30 or so next week, and says tons of people have been calling about it.

Only question is will it last.

Wow! They are sellnig well because the last few days Sony has had stories about this on the Yahoo Homepage. Plus 1 EB has been selling them? That's a breakout hit! There are only thousands of EB/GS stores, but one must mean it's a fact!

How long did the extreme selling of the PS3 last when it launched? Two weeks?

How are game sales? Those will show the truth more too. People want a "cheap" Blu-Ray drive, not a gaming system with no blockbusters.

[mykevermin]

Sony is basically telling consumers not to buy their hardware anytime soon, because they'll switch up the hardware every 7 months and drop the price.

I don't see why they're doing these higher storage versions, since the PS3 has the most easily swappable storage.. Guess people have to have big numbers on the box to tell if something is the best or not.

Unlike, say...
http://images.ampednews.com/news/uploads/xbox360elite.jpg?

Now, you're contradicting yourself in this post. You're saying that Sony too continually changes the hardware configurations of the console, but that the only real difference is the HDD size. So, if it's just that (and at least give them the credit of being able to pick and choose when and how to upgrade that HDD, instead of spending $180 on a 120GB HDD), then what's the big deal? Is it still a major difference if they're "changing up the hardware," as you say, when it is really a superficial difference that any consumer can make on their own?

[orimental]

Now, you're contradicting yourself in this post. You're saying that Sony too continually changes the hardware configurations of the console, but that the only real difference is the HDD size. So, if it's just that (and at least give them the credit of being able to pick and choose when and how to upgrade that HDD, instead of spending $180 on a 120GB HDD), then what's the big deal? Is it still a major difference if they're "changing up the hardware," as you say, when it is really a superficial difference that any consumer can make on their own?

I agree that the proprietary HDD is BS, but can consumers install their own HDMI port?

[mykevermin]

I agree that the proprietary HDD is BS, but can consumers install their own HDMI port?

Of course not. I was talking abour jer's claims that the PS3 is going through far too many hardware revisions far too quickly, while he later admits that the only substantial change is the larger HDD. I only brought up the Elite because he's criticizing Sony for doing something that only, for the moment anyway, Nintendo is innocent of doing.

[botticus]

Of course not. I was talking abour jer's claims that the PS3 is going through far too many hardware revisions far too quickly, while he later admits that the only substantial change is the larger HDD. I only brought up the Elite because he's criticizing Sony for doing something that only, for the moment anyway, Nintendo is innocent of doing.Whether its componentized to the point where the end-user can upgrade or not, multiple SKUs only serve to confuse, moreso when you're the average consumer who doesn't know how to or even that they can upgrade. One hardware iteration is fine, unless you're fixing something that's broken. Sadly I doubt even Nintendo will avoid this issue over the course of the generation.

As Kaz says, the market responds better to one SKU... but the point is rather lost if you keep changing the SKU.

[orimental]

Which is why I don't think they're going to bring out a "core" 40GB PS3.

[Vanigan]

Same here. That was just a rumor by GI, which like any publication has been inaccurate. They'd already stated they don't want to do multiple SKUs.

That's not to say they weren't thinking about it. It's likely the $500 price drop was a kind of test SCE, so they can use that sales data to convince Sony corporate to allow them to make a cheaper version, or keep it at $500.

I think it's still possible to see multiple SKUs though, especially since they do have the 80gb version. If the sales warrant, and manufacturing costs go low enough, it's certainly possible we'll see a $400 model, maybe even in time for the holidays. No wifi, no PS2 hardware, smaller HD, heck I wonder if it'd be cheaper for them just to put some sort of memory drive on there like a memory stick instead of HD. Not sure what else they could cut.

[Riyonuk]

So, like which version should I get? I need some opinions >_>

[depascal22]

Get the 60GB with the best deal you can find. I have a feeling someone's gonna find a deal for $400 sooner or later. That gives you every option you're going to need and you can always upgrade to a bigger HD later on down the line. If you can't find a good deal, hold out and pray the 80GB moves down to $500 when the 60GB sells out.

[Thomas96]

the 60gb systems probably won't sell out until next year.

[Riyonuk]

Why not the 20GB, it should be cheaper right? And if you say to upgrade the hardrive later down the line, cant I do that with the 20?

[Crimson_Raven25]

Why not the 20GB, it should be cheaper right? And if you say to upgrade the hardrive later down the line, cant I do that with the 20?
yes u can but 1 little thing
sony dont sell 20gb anymore

[Riyonuk]

Alright, so if I can even find a 20GB, go with that. If not, go with a 60GB, and upgrade there drives to the 120GB drive :)

Wait, doesnt a rumble come with the 80GB? And a game >_>

[Crimson_Raven25]

Alright, so if I can even find a 20GB, go with that. If not, go with a 60GB, and upgrade there drives to the 120GB drive :)

Wait, doesnt a rumble come with the 80GB? And a game >_>

rumble is a negative for now =[