Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice - Gen Discussion & Info

[The Mana Knight]

http://www.tothegame.com/res/game/7723/boxshot_us_large.jpg

Official Site:
http://www.disgaea.us/dis3/index.html

Price = $49.99

Release Date = August 26th

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp-kRA4Crdc&

[Master Shake]

I believe the pics are from the psp version.

[The Mana Knight]

I'm not kidding, it really is for PS3. I posted another link. NIS always sticks to the same 2D sprites. The game is still quite early though, so things could change. NIS said they had a game in development for PS3, and this looks to be the game.

[Draekon]

Well, seems like the PDF link confirms it. I wish it was something other than Disgaea though, oh well. At least it's a popular game I guess and might help increase the amount of RPG type games on it possibly with this announcement. Well, I can hope anyways.

[happy]

Awesome news, although I still need to buy Disgaea 2 (I'm tempted to wait till next year when my schedule will be more open because I know once I buy it the next 50+ hours of my life will be occupied).

[The Mana Knight]

After years of sucking time away from PlayStation 2 owners, Nippon Ichi is finally moving on to the next generation. At Sony's PlayStation Premier event in Tokyo today, the third party publisher formally announced Disgaea 3 for the PlayStation 3.

Currently, we have just few details on the game, which is fully titled Makai Senki Disgaea 3. Once again a strategy RPG featuring a variety of selectabe units, the title appears to take place in a school setting. One screenshot shows a school backdrop with a menu prompting the player to change seats, go to your home room, or take part in graduation and entrance ceremonies.

The two screenshots we have suggest that Nippon Ichi hasn't quite abandoned its current set of visual tools in the move to the PS3. For a look at 2D sprites against 3D backdrops all presented in HD, check out the screens.

Disgaea 3 is set for Japanese release this winter.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/805/805607p1.html

[Chacrana]

Why is this so ugly? C'mon, if you're going to make a game for the PS3, at least make high-res sprites. I mean, I'll still buy it if it's good, but it's disappointing to see graphics that could easily have been done on the PS1.

[CoffeeEdge]

It really is ugly. And that's a problem.

Because considering how hard-assed SCEA can be, I think it's seriously likely that they wouldn't approve this game for release in the US.

[slidecage]

i would take an UGLY game anyday that has major play vaule then a PRETTY game but stupid/awful play vaule

[dallow]

Ah, this is the kind of software I was hoping to see.

Good show NIS, good show.

[furyk]

Eh, who cares that it's ugly? It might actually have a fair content to cost ratio at $60 too.

[mwynn]

Low res screens shots. No video showing animations. I will wait and see how it looks in videos.

[vherub]

Interesting, is this the first ps3 game that clearly will not be primarilty stressing uber-graphics?
i'd rather have the graphics be hyper detailed 2d sprites, then the kind of bland 3d surfaces those pics show, still too early to judge.

[Apossum]

Eh, who cares that it's ugly? It might actually have a fair content to cost ratio at $60 too.


not that I'll buy this, but $60 would absolutely ridiculous for a game with recycled sprites.

[dragonreborn23]

It really is ugly. And that's a problem.

Because considering how hard-assed SCEA can be, I think it's seriously likely that they wouldn't approve this game for release in the US.

Are you fucking kidding? With the cult following of Disgaea, and a severe lack of any rpg or srpg's on the system? Of course they will bring the game here! They have too few exclusives as it is.

[botticus]

I don't care that it's ugly, but if you're not gonna use the hardware, make it a PS2 game, put it on a DVD, pop it in a PS3-branded case for $50 and everyone's happy.

[dallow]

I'm sure the game will be spruced up a bit.

[The Mana Knight]

It really is ugly. And that's a problem.

Because considering how hard-assed SCEA can be, I think it's seriously likely that they wouldn't approve this game for release in the US.They won't. SCEA will let NIS America bring most anything over regardless. If this was some publisher who had no Japanese branch trying to bring this over, SCEA probably wouldn't allow it. They'll let this game come, since Disgaea has been very successful on PlayStation and they know it.

Btw, the game is still quite early and the game will be HD scaled. Plus, NIS is very small staffed and doesn't have the funding and development to make high res games. Also, games are moving from PS2 to PS3 from now on as it seems, so that's why its coming to PS3 instead. I'm glad it's coming to PS3, because maybe we'll get some download content for this game down the road.
i would take an UGLY game anyday that has major play vaule then a PRETTY game but stupid/awful play vaule
QFT. We'll be playing this on our PS3 one day. ;)

[Logg]

So now there is a reason for me to get a PS3, this is one of the only series I buy at launch and beat them all.

[dallow]

Looks like a PS2 game currently, the first two looked like PS1 games.
I s'pose they are making progress.

I'll buy it, but not for $60.

Nice to see a widescreen shot of it though.

[Zoglog]

yes, it'd be nice if these damn 2d people could catch up to Guilty gear/Odin Sphere level sprite quality.

[CoffeeEdge]

Are you fucking kidding? With the cult following of Disgaea, and a severe lack of any rpg or srpg's on the system? Of course they will bring the game here! They have too few exclusives as it is.
Sony specifically denied US releases for games like Tales of Rebirth, and that probably had better sales prospects than any NIS game based on name recognition. Same goes for several other 2D RPGs. It's nothing they haven't done before. Yeah, they allowed it on PS2, but I'm less confident that they'd certify a US release for a game that looks like that on PS3.

[dallow]

Hey mocha, this thread needs more bullshit negativity too:

http://cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=145058

Join please!

[The Mana Knight]

Sony specifically denied US releases for games like Tales of Rebirth, and that probably had better sales prospects than any NIS game based on name recognition. Same goes for several other 2D RPGs. It's nothing they haven't done before. Yeah, they allowed it on PS2, but I'm less confident that they'd certify a US release for a game that looks like that on PS3.Sony never denied Tales of Rebirth, Namco never wanted to bring the game stateside due to the poor sales of Tales of Eternia.

[Halo05]

Why is this so ugly? C'mon, if you're going to make a game for the PS3, at least make high-res sprites. I mean, I'll still buy it if it's good, but it's disappointing to see graphics that could easily have been done on the PS1.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. Easily done on the PS1? It could've been done on the PS2, I'll grant you that but check out Hoshigami and Final Fantasy Tactics to see what PS1 strategy games look like, they're nowhere near that clean.

[Wlogan31]

I don't care that it's ugly, but if you're not gonna use the hardware, make it a PS2 game, put it on a DVD, pop it in a PS3-branded case for $50 and everyone's happy.


My sentiments EXACTLY

[keithp]

I'm sure the game will be spruced up a bit.

I'll take that bet. NIS doesn't care about the graphics. I doubt it gets any better than those screenshots.

And there's no WAY Sony denies an American release for this. Hell, they could probably make it a download--how big could a 2D sprite game be anyway?

[aerozero]

I agree, Disgaea will come over here, with a whole bunch of exclusives going multi-platform, Sony can't afford to be picky about which games should be released and which ones shouldn't be released.

[dallow]

I'll take that bet. NIS doesn't care about the graphics. I doubt it gets any better than those screenshots.

And there's no WAY Sony denies an American release for this. Hell, they could probably make it a download--how big could a 2D sprite game be anyway?Well I know they're not going to go crazy with the graphics, but they'll at least make it look a little better than that.

These are early shots, I"m sure most sprites and backgrounds there are placeholders.

It'll look better, but just a little, I'll take the bet.

AND WHERE IS DR. MARIO KART?
He better not be home crying wondering why this isn't on PS2 or Wii.

[schuerm26]

just a general type question as Im not really knowledgable about programming and stuff:

I thought that someone had said it took about 500,000 copies sold to break even. Now I would assume that is due to cutting edge graphics and stuff like that. So am I right to assume that a game like this would take far less sold to break even?

[dallow]

just a general type question as Im not really knowledgable about programming and stuff:

I thought that someone had said it took about 500,000 copies sold to break even. Now I would assume that is due to cutting edge graphics and stuff like that. So am I right to assume that a game like this would take far less sold to break even?Of course.

[seanr1221]

I too wonder where DMK is in all of this. If this story were about how the game is a wii exclusive, he would be gushing and rubbing it in people's faces.

[Vendetta]

These are the kinds of games I was waiting to hit the PS3. =]

A SMT game on PS3 would be godly.

[schuerm26]

Of course.

How much though would presumably be the break even point? Doesn't even selling 200,000 copies of this at a $60 price tag seem like a stretch?

[The Mana Knight]

These are the kinds of games I was waiting to hit the PS3. =]

A SMT game on PS3 would be godly.One was announced for PS3 long ago (The fourth installment I believe). I expect something at TGS or next year. Without a doubt, it will still come to PS3, since the producer of the series said the PS3 is the only console to make his vision come true.

Anyway, from what I hear, based on the graphics NIS, Idea Factory, etc. use on their RPGs, they only need to sell around 20k-50k to even break even. If they sell in that range or better, they did well. It may not sell as well as it did on PS2, but it will sell more than enough to break even, just on Japanese sales alone (U.S. and Europe will help too).

[botticus]

How much though would presumably be the break even point? Doesn't even selling 200,000 copies of this at a $60 price tag seem like a stretch?$60 might be interesting, it may dampen the US market somewhat. Not sure how big it usually sells over here, but I guess they tend to sell 100-150k in Japan, so even small sales in the US would likely allow them to break even. Depends on if Disgaea fans already own PS3s, and/or if they will buy a PS3 for Disgaea.

[dallow]

How much though would presumably be the break even point? Doesn't even selling 200,000 copies of this at a $60 price tag seem like a stretch?They would probably need to sell a lot less than that.

Since I really don't know their development costs per game. No one here really does. No one can accurately tell you how much it would need to sell.
Only that significantly less than half a million would be correct.

[The Mana Knight]

I doubt it would cost ANYMORE than developing a PS2 game for them, since its basically using the same graphics. The development costs discussed with other games has to do with taking advantage of a consoles power. From what I heard, downloadable games development is cheap on PS3. For an example, to make Gripshift on PS3, selling at $9.99, they only needed to sell 35k to break even. Although it was a PSP port, that's an example how I download, which doesn't take advantage of the graphics on PS3, needs to sell to break even. Although releasing it on a blu-ray disc may add $$, it's really not as expensive as people may think.

[trq]

AND WHERE IS DR. MARIO KART?
He better not be home crying wondering why this isn't on PS2 or Wii.

Well, to be fair, it's not an unreasonable question. There are how many PS2s out there? This game uses how much of what the PS3 can do? So ... wouldn't NIS kinda want to, oh I don't know, sell as many copies as they can? *shrug*

[dallow]

Well, to be fair, it's not an unreasonable question. There are how many PS2s out there? This game uses how much of what the PS3 can do? So ... wouldn't NIS kinda want to, oh I don't know, sell as many copies as they can? *shrug*I know it's fair, and I'm frankly surprised to see it here now on the PS3.

[NamPaehc]

I never truly judge a game by screenshots. They don't always do the games justice.

And we don't know what kind of content this'll have, so beyond graphics they might need the ps3 for something else.

[trq]

And we don't know what kind of content this'll have, so beyond graphics they might need the ps3 for something else.

It's possible. But somehow I don't see the game filling up a bluray or using the sixaxis. It'd be pretty interesting if that were the case, though.

[whoknows]

I could never get into disgaea...still, cool that it is successful enough to get a 3rd game.

[Inf^Shini]

I loved the first one, and although I am a fan of NIS/Nippon Ichi, it's a bit of a drag to see them stick to the dated graphics.

Give the 3d models a shot :D

One thing I would tell NIS is to team up with Falcom. THAT would be awesome, then Disgaea 3 would have some nice 3d models and animation, along with some cool gameplay, music, etc..

Online gameplay is a must for this as well, seeing as how Disgaea Portable will have that feature :D

I'm Jazzed :bouncy:

[zerolens]

Well, to be fair, it's not an unreasonable question. There are how many PS2s out there? This game uses how much of what the PS3 can do? So ... wouldn't NIS kinda want to, oh I don't know, sell as many copies as they can? *shrug*

Maybe NIS has plans for more PS3 games. People complain the PS3 doesn't have any games or enough to justify buying one. SOMEONE has to step up to the plate and move away from the PS2 and move on to the PS3, props to NIS for stepping up to the plate. Companies had to move away from the GBA to the DS and they did that. NIS is doing the same thing from PS2 to PS3. And maybe Disgaea will have an online mode. Maybe that's worth something to some people, I don't know.

As far as PS3 playing it as a PS2 game, there's no guarantee it'll work 100%. Some games don't work perfectly with the PS2 hardware inside the PS3. That is being phased out anyway, by the time Disgaea 3 is released in the US (assuming it does) then they'll probably be some software emulation versions out there. I would guess most of their business comes from the first few weeks of sales. Xbox games couldn't wait for MS to make them work on the 360 day one, so they released them anyway.

[trq]

Maybe NIS has plans for more PS3 games. People complain the PS3 doesn't have any games or enough to justify buying one. SOMEONE has to step up to the plate and move away from the PS2 and move on to the PS3, props to NIS for stepping up to the plate.

Just seems like that person or persons should be someone who'd use what the new console brings to the table. Otherwise, why drop the possible audience for your game to a tenth of what it could be?

Companies had to move away from the GBA to the DS and they did that.

And that brought better graphics and touch-screen functionality. So far, Disgaea 3? Nothin.

And maybe Disgaea will have an online mode.

I hope so. I'd still wager there are more PS2 owners with the internet adapter than there are PS3 owners, but maybe not.

[dallow]

And that brought better graphics and touch-screen functionality. So far, Disgaea 3? Nothin.

Damn, just barely announced, with two early screenshots and almost no info and already it's nothing new?

I do wish there were a number for PS2 owners with the ethernet adapter.
Really doubt it's high at all.

[The Mana Knight]

Official Site: Opens 9/21
http://disgaea.jp/3/ Opens 9/21

Here are some scans (quality is low. Better scans at GAF though):
http://moetron.com/newfiles/disgaea3_ps3ab_001.jpg
http://moetron.com/newfiles/disgaea3_ps3ab_004.jpg
http://moetron.com/newfiles/disgaea3_ps3ab_005.jpg
http://moetron.com/newfiles/disgaea3_ps3ab_006.jpg
http://moetron.com/newfiles/disgaea3_ps3ab_007.jpg
http://moetron.com/newfiles/disgaea3_ps3ab_008.jpg
http://moetron.com/newfiles/disgaea3_ps3ab_009.jpg

[BattleChicken]

Damn, just barely announced, with two early screenshots and almost no info and already it's nothing new?

I do wish there were a number for PS2 owners with the ethernet adapter.
Really doubt it's high at all.

To be fair, Dallow, NIS has mostly just mixes around what they've done previously in their Tactical RPGs, and doesn't often bring much new to the plate -- this is coming from someone who has (and loves) every US released non-portable NIS TRPG. I find there is usually one truly unique mechanic per game... related to the character creation (the most unique and interesting being Phantom Brave).

Disgaea was by and far the best thing they put out, and I find that their newer offerings pale in comparison to their original masterwork -- including Disgaea 2. The addition of the Vehicles in Makai Kingdom.. the free movement in Phantom Brave were nice little movements forward, but there wasn't anything in any of their new titles that really upped the ante, and blew away what they've done in the past -- just a series of small progressive movements, updating an already successful and enjoyable (to the target demographic) game for their audience.

So, NIS' history shows next to no graphical improvements, and a minor twist on a successful formula -- there isn't anything wrong with that. While I would certainly not be disappointed by them by transcending where they've been before.. I certainly wouldn’t expect it. I would imagine a minor update of the sprites, and a tweak to the gameplay to be all we see – and that’s probably all they’ll need to do to sell out the number they try to sell.

edit: fixed the odd font I wound up with somehow..

[zewone]

AND WHERE IS DR. MARIO KART?
He better not be home crying wondering why this isn't on PS2 or Wii.
It really could have been done on the PS2.

If they keep the graphics where they are at now, there is no point in bringing to the PS3 if it's not taking any advantage of the hardware.

I'm disappointed in NIS (so far, it's still early) in that fact that they are being lazy.

I don't see why they'd do this from a business standpoint. They could make it on the PS2 and it'd sell a lot more.

[Inf^Shini]

It really could have been done on the PS2.

If they keep the graphics where they are at now, there is no point in bringing to the PS3 if it's not taking any advantage of the hardware.

I'm disappointed in NIS (so far, it's still early) in that fact that they are being lazy.

I don't see why they'd do this from a business standpoint. They could make it on the PS2 and it'd sell a lot more.

Yea, this has been the general consensus.

What I want Nippon Ichi to do is take a chance and make 3D models. I really don't mind waiting for the game if they actually put a lot of effort into the graphic presentation. We all know the gameplay is solid and they could build on that, but what they've usually been docked for is the old school look on more than capable hardware.

I honestly don't know how they'd take up that much space on a blu ray as well if they stick to their present formula. Someone should give em' a call and tell em' wussup.

[Gourd]

... Because creating beautiful beautiful artistic sprites is really easy.

Edited to add: That is sarcasm up there.

Anyway, I don't care. It's Disgaea! I want this. It's not Gears of War II Turbo Remix Alpha, but I DON'T CARE.

[The Mana Knight]

Yea, this has been the general consensus.

What I want Nippon Ichi to do is take a chance and make 3D models. I really don't mind waiting for the game if they actually put a lot of effort into the graphic presentation. We all know the gameplay is solid and they could build on that, but what they've usually been docked for is the old school look on more than capable hardware.

I honestly don't know how they'd take up that much space on a blu ray as well if they stick to their present formula. Someone should give em' a call and tell em' wussup.NIS is too small staffed and doesn't exactly have the funds to invest in fancy 3D visuals like some developers. That's part of the reason they stick to 2D.

Well, when looking at Disgaea 3's graphics in the newest images, they actually look like they might not be able to be done on PS3 (the 3D backgrounds actually look much better this time). PS2 is on the way out anyway and Disgaea 3 is on PS3 now (I'm happy because I WANT more RPGs on PS3).

zewone is just mad because he doesn't own a PS3; therefore, he cannot buy it. ;)

[BattleChicken]

Well, when looking at Disgaea 3's graphics in the newest images, they actually look like they might not be able to be done on PS2 (the 3D backgrounds actually look much better this time). PS2 is on the way out anyway and Disgaea 3 is on PS3 now (I'm happy because I WANT more RPGs on PS3).

zewone is just mad because he doesn't own a PS3; therefore, he cannot buy it. ;)

1) The 3d modeling in ANY 3d PS2 game blow away whatever 3d backdrop Disgaea comes up with .. stating that the backgrounds in DISGAEA are too technologically advanced for the PS2 is absurdly incorrect.

2) Zewone can use 'money' to 'purchase' this 'PS3' you speak of... and related to that, a common argument you spout is 'xxx doesnt' even OWN a PS3.. loser'.

Did it ever occur to you that someone who doesn't own the PS3 still has means to buy it, and the reason they DON'T own one is because they simply choose to wait? You use the argument so much, your little winky smileys don't really take the edge off the absurdity.

[zewone]

zewone is just mad because he doesn't own a PS3; therefore, he cannot buy it. ;)
By the time this game is released, I will have another PS3.

That doesn't make any of my points less valid, I probably will still not pick this up unless a lot more work is put into it, as I already have every tactics RPG NIS has made for the PS2.

[dallow]

I agree that it was probably a dumb move to release this on PS3, but hopefully it'll get the ball rolling for all the SRPG freaks.

DMK?

[Killer Rabbit]

Hmm. I'm all about the "gameplay before graphics" idea, and I am a happy Wii owner, but....

That's not impressive.

I think that Sony must be paying them to release the game on the PS3.

Otherwise, with those graphics, they might as well release the game on the PS2, which has an installed base approximately 20 times larger than the PS3's.

[The Mana Knight]

Here's a video finally posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vydi0hKjKlo
Hmm. I'm all about the "gameplay before graphics" idea, and I am a happy Wii owner, but....

That's not impressive.

I think that Sony must be paying them to release the game on the PS3.

Otherwise, with those graphics, they might as well release the game on the PS2, which has an installed base approximately 20 times larger than the PS3's.PS2 is one its way out and development needs to move onto PS3 regardless. Games need to move away from PS3 and go next gen, even if they aren't taking advantage of its visuals. There are other 2D games on PS3 so it's not a problem. 2D PS1 looking games continued on PS1, and it will happen on PS3. That's just typical of Japanese devs.

Sony isn't paying them, but they might have encouraged them. The next Atelier game (or Gust RPG) heads to PS3, so devs are just now moving from PS2 to PS3 (Ar Tonelico II probably would have been PS3 also if development started a little later).

[InuFaye]

Here's a video finally posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vydi0hKjKlo
PS2 is one its way out and development needs to move onto PS3 regardless. Games need to move away from PS3 and go next gen, even if they aren't taking advantage of its visuals. There are other 2D games on PS3 so it's not a problem. 2D PS1 looking games continued on PS1, and it will happen on PS3. That's just typical of Japanese devs.

Sony isn't paying them, but they might have encouraged them. The next Atelier game (or Gust RPG) heads to PS3, so devs are just now moving from PS2 to PS3 (Ar Tonelico II probably would have been PS3 also if development started a little later).

I think you are gonna see alot of these niche japanese games move over to the wii because of the deveolpment costs being so low and the install base being so much higher, and with the ps3 being a demon from hell to code for, I really cant see why ds3 is on ps3.

[The Mana Knight]

I think you are gonna see alot of these niche japanese games move over to the wii because of the deveolpment costs being so low and the install base being so much higher, and with the ps3 being a demon from hell to code for, I really cant see why ds3 is on ps3.Actually, some of theses devs are loyal to Sony (especially NIS and Gust). If you develop a 2D game or game that doesn't take much advantage of any PS3 power, the development costs are actually comparable to other platforms. Many devs themselves said that the costs of making a PSN game is really low, so it's just a matter of what you develop. Also, Agarest Senki just came out to PS3, which is a 2D SRPG (already played the demo). I think PS3 will still see these niche 2D game, but not as many as before.

Also, if a developer wants to use some power for a Japanese game (that's especially only popular in Japan), your choices are PS3 or 360. 360 is the biggest flop in Japan selling 3 times less of PS3, so the games will go to PS3 (which is why Yakuza 3, Valkyrie of the Battlefield, Steambot Chronicles 2, etc. are on PS3).

PS3 is just harder to code IF you plan to use more than one SPE or something. There have been many developers who used just one and still came up with an impressive looking game (Genji 2 developers).

[depascal22]

This should be a PS2 game unless there will be DLC. I guess we can only vote with our wallets on this one.

[62t]

These are the kinds of games I was waiting to hit the PS3. =]

A SMT game on PS3 would be godly.
You do know that the creator of the SMT had left Atlus after nocturne, and has been working for Sony? Folklore wil be his first game on PS3

[The Mana Knight]

This should be a PS2 game unless there will be DLC. I guess we can only vote with our wallets on this one.PS2 needs to go and it's on the way out anyway. That's why the game is heading to PS3. Plus, NIS has been very loyal to PlayStation over the years, so they're just sticking to it. PS3 NEEDS RPGs. Also, they might take advantage of DLC too, which would be nice.

Oh course, if this game was coming to PS3, we'd be hearing the 360 fanboys going crazy, all happy saying "OMG, PS3 loses another exclusive", "OMG, Disgaea rocks so much", "OMG, Sony is teh doomed" and so on. People just don't want it on PS3 because it forces them to buy it (I even heard people at a forum complaining about Dark Cloud 3 maybe coming to PS3). This is part of the reason my blood pressure is dangerous high and why I'm starting to hate internet forums/news more than anything else in the world.

[depascal22]

Why does the PS2 NEED to be gone? Games like this would keep the PS2 selling for years to come. Sony could milk the PS2's life with quality games that focus on gameplay while the PS3 can pimp all the graphics. I'm just not feeling Disgaea on the PS3 and that's especially if we get a price tag over $40. This series might be better served on the PSP at this point.

[schuerm26]

Oh course, if this game was coming to PS3, we'd be hearing the 360 fanboys going crazy, all happy saying "OMG, PS3 loses another exclusive", "OMG, Disgaea rocks so much", "OMG, Sony is teh doomed" and so on. People just don't want it on PS3 because it forces them to buy it (I even heard people at a forum complaining about Dark Cloud 3 maybe coming to PS3). This is part of the reason my blood pressure is dangerous high and why I'm starting to hate internet forums/news more than anything else in the world.

I highly doubt most people care enough about Disgaea to make any sort of statement about it either way. This isn't anything even close to resemlbing a system selling franchise. Never has been, never will be. If it's on the PS3, good for it. If it's on the PS2, good for it. It won't make any sort of difference in sales for the PS3. That being said, unless they are going to budget price it for the PS3 ($39.99?) it is going to have horrible sales on the PS3. Even at $39.99 I just can't see it selling well at all.

Maybe Im stereotyping to much here, but it seems that the majority of people who bought the PS3 (I would think the same if it was coming on the 360) are going to look at the graphics and put the box right back down. Feel free to insult me if you think I am wrong about this and I could very well be.

[crazytalkx]

Maybe Im stereotyping to much here, but it seems that the majority of people who bought the PS3 (I would think the same if it was coming on the 360) are going to look at the graphics and put the box right back down. Feel free to insult me if you think I am wrong about this and I could very well be.

BUT ITZ ON TEH BLURAYZ!11 I'm seriously disappointed though, imagine HD sprites in a J-SRPG?!

[The Mana Knight]

New pics:
http://dps.dengekionline.com/entryimg/071026_dis3_01.jpg

http://dps.dengekionline.com/entryimg/071026_dis3_02.jpg

http://dps.dengekionline.com/entryimg/071026_dis3_03.jpg

More images here:
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20071026/dg3.htm

The game looks sweet so far. I definitely cannot wait. :D

Why does the PS2 NEED to be gone? Games like this would keep the PS2 selling for years to come. Sony could milk the PS2's life with quality games that focus on gameplay while the PS3 can pimp all the graphics. I'm just not feeling Disgaea on the PS3 and that's especially if we get a price tag over $40. This series might be better served on the PSP at this point.Naw, they prefer bringing the main series to a console. NIS is close to Sony, so that's why it comes to PS3.

[bigl523]

i may need to import this (seeing how i don't need to mod my ps3 hooray) to force me to learn more japanese...

[Inf^Shini]

DITCH THE SPRITES, GO FOR KICK ASS 3D MODELS.

I had to say it, it's reminding me of SF Puzzle Fighter HD, everything looks nice but the sprites :/

I wouldn't mind if it gets pushed back a bit if they opt for that, but really, it's time to move on.

[jer7583]

This is ugly, lazy, and unacceptable. Not even redoing the art for 3 iterations of the same game? What is this, a capcom fighter? I sort of enjoyed the first disgaea, but they're just doing the typical JPRG manbaby spoonfeeding on this one. How about some high resolution art? How about some detailed environments? How about some changes to the gameplay?

Only Mana Knight would overlook this crap. Graphics don't matter, but if you're just going to have the same dithered, blurry, SNES quality sprites as always, why is it on a new system? The PS2 is still a perfectly viable platform.. Nobody who had a problem with Gun and all the other Xbox1 port-ups to 360 should be okay with this. Double standards for everybody!

[willardhaven]

Can we say "massive retail failure?"

Who is going to buy this? People who favor gameplay over graphics are still playing their PS2s. PS3 owners are going to be busy with MGS, Final Fantasy and other big-budget games that will cost the same amount.

I'm a fan of NIS for sure, but with the 4 PS2 games I have of theirs, I have no need for a sequel for at least 10 years.

[The Mana Knight]

Can we say "massive retail failure?"

Who is going to buy this? People who favor gameplay over graphics are still playing their PS2s. PS3 owners are going to be busy with MGS, Final Fantasy and other big-budget games that will cost the same amount.

I'm a fan of NIS for sure, but with the 4 PS2 games I have of theirs, I have no need for a sequel for at least 10 years.It will do fine in Japan. It costs NIS next to nothing to make many of their RPGs, so getting any kind of sales pretty much breaks them even. There are a bunch of PS3 fans starved for an RPG, and there are many who like Disgaea. I'd gladly pay $60 for this, since I love Disgaea, 2D games, and would love more RPGs on PS3. If Agarest Senki comes stateside, I'm buying that in a heartbeat.

There's already a few 2D RPGs on PS3 anyway (Agarest Senki is one). Gusts next RPG is coming to PS3 and I can pretty much guarantee it will be 2D.

This is Agarest Senki, which I played the demo of:
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k38/The_Mana_Knight/Gaming/PlayStation3/Agarest2.jpg
DITCH THE SPRITES, GO FOR KICK ASS 3D MODELS.

I had to say it, it's reminding me of SF Puzzle Fighter HD, everything looks nice but the sprites :/

I wouldn't mind if it gets pushed back a bit if they opt for that, but really, it's time to move on.From what I hear, NIS just doesn't have the funds to invest in more impressive graphics, due to being small.

[BoneMonkey80]

disgaea was never about graphics its about gameplay and a good story disgaea 1 and 2 had some one of the best stories ever its wayyy too early to judge this game

imo this is NIS flagship game they wont mess it up

[Inf^Shini]

FYI, NIS America is only a localizing publisher, the actual developer is Nippon Ichi.

[jer7583]

No, this is going to be a massive failure like has never been seen before. Releasing a sequel in a very very niche series that still looks like a PS1 game on a $500 console. Wow. If mass market stuff like stuntman, madden, and others are barely selling on PS3, NIS is crazy to release this on PS3.

This should have been a PS2/Wii project and hopefully NIS will learn their lesson. They depend on a large userbase to support their product. Either that or it should have been a downloadable title for $20, since the low res sprites should have no problem fitting into a gig or two. Forehead slaps all around.

and to all the morons saying "graphics don't matter" there's some truth to that, but when you're releasing what will likely be a $60 product on a $500 console, you should have some standards. Using PS1 level assets is not acceptable at that price of entry.

[bigl523]

No, this is going to be a massive failure like has never been seen before. Releasing a sequel in a very very niche series that still looks like a PS1 game on a $500 console. Wow. If mass market stuff like stuntman, madden, and others are barely selling on PS3, NIS is crazy to release this on PS3.

This should have been a PS2/Wii project and hopefully NIS will learn their lesson. They depend on a large userbase to support their product. Either that or it should have been a downloadable title for $20, since the low res sprites should have no problem fitting into a gig or two. Forehead slaps all around.

and to all the morons saying "graphics don't matter" there's some truth to that, but when you're releasing what will likely be a $60 product on a $500 console, you should have some standards. Using PS1 level assets is not acceptable at that price of entry.

in america it might be a big deal to sell this game on the ps3, however in japan they eat this type of shit up without even thinking twice about it. it may be niche in america but it's commonplace in the land of the rising sun. they aren't selling disgaea to joe halo who only cares if master chief is playable in the game.

[Halo05]

Wow, Flonne has certainly "matured". I suppose that might not be Flonne. If it is, it does nothing to explain baby Etna next to her.

[jer7583]

I don't think the Japanese eat up much of anything without thinking right now that isn't on a Nintendo platform. This is going to bomb, worldwide. Confirmed. Sent to die.

Mana, maybe you should look at all the negative responses in this thread as a big deal. We're about 1 in 30 for positive responses to this garbage.

[mykevermin]

This is going to bomb, worldwide. Confirmed. Sent to die.

Quoted for posterity.

[Dr Mario Kart]

The series just might be more popular in the US than it is in Japan.

Disgaea 2 debuted at 104k (3rd place) for the week of Feb 20-26 in Japan. It quickly dropped off the charts, and as far as I can tell, was never confirmed as hitting 200k. Thats on a pretty fat install base.

It certainly is possible for something to sell very well on a low install base. I believe at one time, Trauma Center for Wii was the best selling game ever for Atlus USA, though I'm not sure they were counting units or revenue.

I would say its at least an uphill battle though.

[Inf^Shini]

Quoted for posterity.

Yea, I'd hate to be negative, since this game really gave SRPG's new life and got me back into the genre, but they need to realize it's not gonna cut it in today's gaming world if it's released on a next gen system.

IMO, if they are really gonna stick with the present formula and graphical presentation, they're better off releasing it on the PSP.

I said it before, but I really would not mind if they delayed the game months (or maybe even a year with the releases coming next year) just to revamp and really put a lot more effort into the game. It's Disgaea 3 and has a lot to live up to, so it really needs to come out with "guns blazing".

Man I want this game to do well...

[The Crotch]

I agree that it was probably a dumb move to release this on PS3, but hopefully it'll get the ball rolling for all the SRPG freaks.*waves*

Call me crazy - or something worse, more likely - but I really don't mind that the graphics haven't changed. It just... it just seems right that it stays that way. I'm not saying I want it to become common in the genre, or that I want to reward laziness, but I can't say the graphics have done anything to hurt this game in my opinion and this sentence turned out horribly god dammit.

Though the fact that it's on the PS3 rather than PS2, Wii (loyalty can only take your so far) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factor_5), or a handheld has me perplexed. Mightily perplexed.

[jer7583]

Quoted for posterity.

Well, what is the definition of bomb? I'd think it'd have to hit 300k to avoid that definition. I don't think it will in either US or Japan. A lot of that depends on the price, though. If it's $30 or so then it could sell a lot more. At $60, I'd be surprised with 100k first week sales.

What is so hard about doing high resolution art for all these developers? A next gen, 2D game with super high resolution sprites and smooth animation would be fantastic, but instead we get this.

[The Mana Knight]

Well, what is the definition of bomb? I'd think it'd have to hit 300k to avoid that definition. I don't think it will in either US or Japan. A lot of that depends on the price, though. If it's $30 or so then it could sell a lot more. At $60, I'd be surprised with 100k first week sales.

What is so hard about doing high resolution art for all these developers? A next gen, 2D game with super high resolution sprites and smooth animation would be fantastic, but instead we get this.You are SO WRONG about the Japanese market you seem to assume it's exactly the same as the US. one. In Japan, most next gen games cost EXACTLY the same price as games from last gen (6800 yen), which is equivalent to $55 (well, it was before). The only time a game usually costs much more is when Square Enix publishes a game (which can be as higher than 7000 yen).

I said it before, NIS is low budget (there are many low budget devs in Japan, list Gust, Idea Factory, Takuyo, etc.). They will continue making the same games they do, but on newer consoles.

Disgaea 3 coming to PS3 is good because it lacks SRPGs, encourages competition between gaming platforms having their own exclusives, and it gives PS3 some more anime based games (which seem to be near extinct this gen).

FYI, NIS America is only a localizing publisher, the actual developer is Nippon Ichi.I say NIS because they are still known as Nippon Ichi Software in Japan. If I was referring to America, I'd include that. ;)

[dallow]

*waves*

Call me crazy - or something worse, more likely - but I really don't mind that the graphics haven't changed. It just... it just seems right that it stays that way. I'm not saying I want it to become common in the genre, or that I want to reward laziness, but I can't say the graphics have done anything to hurt this game in my opinion and this sentence turned out horribly god dammit.

Though the fact that it's on the PS3 rather than PS2, Wii (loyalty can only take your so far) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factor_5), or a handheld has me perplexed. Mightily perplexed.Oh, I've no problem with the graphics.
I'm glad they're making it like this.

[The Mana Knight]

Oh, I've no problem with the graphics.
I'm glad they're making it like this.QFT x1000. I'm glad it's sticking to 2D.

[zewone]

No problem with the graphics, per say. Just that it makes little to no business sense to release it on the PS3.

[dallow]

Sorry you can't download it Zewy. I feel ya.

[zewone]

Sorry you can't download it Zewy. I feel ya.
I already have Disgaea 1 & 2. There would be no need for me to download the same game again.

[-Never4ever-]

Jer has a valid point; if they have no plans on updating the visuals, or releasing it as a budget title, the series would serve better as a Wii / PS2 / PSP / DS title. Personally, I would love to see it on PSP or DS.

I don't see the problem with releasing it on Wii, not only is install base enormous, it also has at least three separate control configurations. Don't like using pseudo mouse controls? Use the CC or Wavebird instead.

As much as I love the original Disgaea, I'm not shelling out more money for a glorified PS2 game. $30 or bust for me.

You know TMK, you're always complaining about high blood pressure and getting mad from browsing the forums, how about just ignoring these pointless arguments altogether? If someone bad mouths the PS3, let them be. Face facts; you're not going to change anyone's opinion on Sony or the PS3, so stop trying trying. The only thing you're doing is hurting yourself.

[dallow]

I already have Disgaea 1 & 2. There would be no need for me to download the same game again.But didn't you DL Halo 3?

[zewone]

Oh yeah!

I forgot Halo 3 didn't have HD graphics, 4 player co-op, new multiplayer maps, brand new campaign, armor customization, a map editor, and a saved films feature.

Exact same game. Great observation there, dallow. :roll:

[mykevermin]

Well, what is the definition of bomb? I'd think it'd have to hit 300k to avoid that definition.

Based on what criteria? Disgaea 2 selling under 200K in Japan means that Disgaea 3 must sell 150% of that or else it's a "bomb"?

Man, I don't hate idle speculation as much as I hate idle speculation that abuses real numbers.

[dallow]

Oh yeah!

I forgot Halo 3 didn't have HD graphics, 4 player co-op, new multiplayer maps, brand new campaign, armor customization, a map editor, and a saved films feature.

Exact same game. Great observation there, dallow. :roll:I guess I could say the same about GT5 since it'll have online play, new areas, new cars, HD graphics, more customizaion, damage and weather, and saved films as well.

Oh wait, you already said it's the same game as GT3 and GT4. D'oh! :roll:

[zewone]

(most) Driving games are boring.

and GT4 already had HD graphics.

[dallow]

(most) Driving games are boring.
That's it?
I win this battle.

[zewone]

That's it?
I win this battle.
We're already too off topic, I don't want to take it further.

You will never win dullow; just accept the fact. :D

[jer7583]

Who here has said the series should be 3D? Those sprites don't even look as good as Final Fantasy Tactics. They're just plain ugly.

Your puling shit out of your ass again jer, like me explain the situation you stupid troll. PS3 is also $400 now, so it isn't that expensive. And as for Japan, they're getting PS3 for even less.

Madden has actually sold pretty good on PS3. Stuntman came late to PS3. Btw, if you look at the Madden commercials, you can't even tell there's a PS3 version due to a tiny PS3 logo and so on.

PS3 is just now hitting 360's top end launch price, a year later, for their most basic unit, and the system isn't "that expensive"? I guess those things are relative, but honestly. Whose fault is it that PS3 titles show up late, or inferior to other versions?

Only the ignorant hide behind name calling to marginalize others' opinions. Keep on living in your hole, Mana.

NIS is loyal to Sony, that's why this game is ending up on PS3. You just want it for Wii/PS2 since you'll never buy a PS3 anyway because you aren't a real gamer. PS2 will be phased out throughout 2008 anyway, so it makes no sense to even bring it to PS2 anyway.

Their loyalty is going to cost them plenty as this is going to bomb. I laughed and laughed at your point about not being a real gamer because I don't want an overpriced box I'd play nothing on. Who the fuck gives a flying fuck about what a real gamer is? Kids, obviously.

The PS2 is still the most viable platform at the moment for budget and niche developers, like NIS. Just because it'll be "phased out" doesn't mean those systems stop working, or people stop buying games for them.

If Sony was smart, they'd keep on marketing the PS2 as it's making them a fuckton more money than the PS3 is right now. The PS2 could last through 2010 if Sony really wanted it to. Instead they're going their typical arrogant way and removing PS2 BC to "encourage" PS3 title sales.

Face it, you'll be forced to buy a PS3 one day anyway. The game shouldn't even be on Wii because the Wii-mote = disgusting for an SRPG like this. This game is better for a console with an original controller, that's why it's coming to PS3. Forget 360, because Idea Factory's RPG and Far East of Eden Ziria didn't even break 2k copies sold in Japan.

I will buy a PS3 for $100 in 6 years and feel good about it, just like I bought my PS2 slim a year ago for $50. Staying one generation behind in one hardware maker seems rational enough, doesn't it? Besides, the way the system has been dropping in price, I'd say anybody is crazy to buy it before MGS4. By then maybe a $300 unit will be out.

How many buttons does Disgaea use? Cancel and Confirm? Does anybody use analog? Remote only controls would work fine for this game. 360 wasn't even an option. PS2, PSP, or Wii, or downloadable is where Disgaea 3 belongs, and where Disgaea 4 will be after this fails.

Graphics don't always matter. There are plenty of impressive looking PS3 games, but does EVERY single game have to be impressive, no. I bet you bought a few crappy PS2 ports which are just high res on 360, since you just love sleeping with MS. NIS is all about 2D graphics and that's what they'll stick to. People barely cared about the graphics on PS2 (when they looked like PS1 graphics), so why will people care now?

Maybe because they paid anywhere up to $600 for this console and this has been done twice before looking exactly the same? The first disgaea had charm, the second was tolerable, but fool me three times..

Your point about graphics not mattering would sell a lot better on a $130 PS2 and a $250 Wii where graphics actually don't matter to that console owner. I'm surprised Sony even wants this out on PS3, what with how much they hate 2D and their emphasis on the Cell.

That was my point about up-rezzed 360 ports. You complain about that but feel okay with this?

I don't sleep with MS, Nintendo gets in on the action too! I just don't sleep with overpriced, attention whore bichiz.

You are SO WRONG about the Japanese market you seem to assume it's exactly the same as the US. one.

The "hardcore" gaming demographic is even more dead in japan than it is here. Look at the weekly sales numbers. Nintendo. Owns. Japan. On Wii this game would have a fighting chance, on PS3 it's doomed. PS2 was different, it had such a huge userbase to work with. This move by NIS is basically like announcing a gamecube exclusive SRPG back in 2003.

I said it before, NIS is low budget (there are many low budget devs in Japan, list Gust, Idea Factory, Takuyo, etc.). They will continue making the same games they do, but on newer consoles.

Either buy a PS3 if you want this game or just STFU and get out of this thread.

It will take FAR more than an uninspired PS2 game on blu ray to get me to even look at PS3 with anything but derision. Being a SRPG fan I certainly am allowed to refute my point that NIS are lazy developers that use the "old school" thing to make garbage like this acceptable. Maybe if you had some standards instead of blindly taking whatever meager offerings appear on PS3, you'd see that too.

"making the same game on a new console" is not sufficient. If this comes out at $30 or they take the rational way of making it downloadable rather than inflating the price by putting it in a box, then it's less insulting. Just because you have low expectations doesn't mean we all do. You can't argue that a high res, hand drawn sprite based Disgaea wouldn't be preferable to this blurry garbage.

[jer7583]

Based on what criteria? Disgaea 2 selling under 200K in Japan means that Disgaea 3 must sell 150% of that or else it's a "bomb"?

Man, I don't hate idle speculation as much as I hate idle speculation that abuses real numbers.

Well, apologies for not having the numbers in front of me. 200k sound fair to you? Do you think every PS2 Disgaea 2 buyer will have both bought a PS3 and still cared about the franchise into its 3rd iteration? I'd say no, especially since even within a single generation, sequels tend to sell less as they go on, without a $400 investment involved.

[Inf^Shini]

I think we're all angry at the fact that they're re-hashing the graphics and not even attempting to go further, since that should be an instant no-no in today's graphically-hungry gaming world.

Gameplay wise, I honestly wouldn't mind if they kept it the same and just tacked on some new features, you know, "if it ain't broke don't fix it"

[Halo05]

I understand some of the anger at Disgaea 3 not utilizing much of the PS3s potential but saying that the sprites are worse than FFTs sprites is some crazy exaggeration.

There's a lot to complain about here, looking worse than a 10 year old PSX game is not one of the issues.

That being said, I haven't even opened Disgaea 2 yet so I'm in no hurry to get the third one.

[zewone]

What the fuck is FUD?

[dallow]

Fear
Uncertainty
Doubt

[zewone]

LOL.

Oh yeah, I haven't heard that in a long time.

What a douchebag; who talks like that?

[dallow]

What's that term they uses in Saving Private Ryan?
Fubar or something?
I think those words are funny.

[opportunity777]

A cel-shaded Disgaea 3 would be fine. I don't know about using sprites. The game is still going to be awesome, but I hope it doesn't flop from having low-end graphics.

[jer7583]

That’s how all NIS SRPGs look. Who the fuck cares.

I do. Several of the people who cared to post in this thread do.

Actually, Stuntman is better on PS3 and so is DiRT. Saying the PS3 version is always inferior proves you’re a MS viral marketer trying to spread FUD against Sony.

I said EITHER late OR inferior. Both Stuntman and Dirt were late.

You’re too ignorant to accept the fact PS3 is getting an exclusive game, that you won’t be getting.
It costs NIS very little to make their games anyway.

I accept the fact that I won't be getting this game, It doesn't bother me in the least. When I finish a disgaea game, or when they reboot the series instead of rehash, I'll care about it. Which of the first two did you see through to completion, Mana? I came into this thread thinking, well now NIS has no excuse not to do some high res, good looking art, but I get this crap.

Also, it isn’t an overpriced boxed at all with no games, because I happen to have 31 games including downloads. I’ve probably played my PS3 more than you played your 360 (it wouldn’t surprise me if there was a delay playing some of your 360 games due to the terrible RRoD).

You own 31 games because you're a Sony nut. I can't even think of 3 games I'd buy for PS3 currently. I had a RRoD. My system was gone for a little over a week, about a year ago, replaced with a new system for FREE. I don't know what more you can ask from a company in dealing with hardware problems than that. (maybe needing to wait for a class action lawsuit to get free repairs?) How many of those 31 games have you finished, Mana?

Xbox is dead and GC is dead. You only want to support PS2 because it’s cheap. By looking at your posts, you seem to be a budget gamer, buying cheap over good. You're right about that. LOOK AT THE WEBSITE WE'RE POSTING ON. No reason you can't be cheap and have good games. I've been very much enjoying my $5 copy of Second Sight for PS2 I found the other day. What was the last $60 game you finished, Mana?

They are keeping the PS3 around. And the PS2 BC was NOT removed to encourage PS3 game sales you mentally retarded kid. Jack just said himself that with the PS2 BC removed and cheaper PS3, people can buy more PS3 games now since they’ll save an extra $100. That was only a spin put into an article by an editor, making SCEA look bad to spread more FUD. PS2 BC was removed because it saves them $20-$25 per console due to the GS being removed and its components. SCEA had ZERO impact on the decision, since it was all SCEI. Shows to me you know very little about how SCE works.

Like it or not, a Sony representative said that the reason for removing PS2 BC was to encourage PS3 title sales. I didn't make that up, it was said. And if a big company like Sony isn't willing to take an extra $20 loss per console or follow microsoft's example of software BC, they're just being cheap.

You own a 360 and Wii. That already tells me you just don’t want to buy a Sony console for whatever reason, unless you get it cheap so they aren’t getting much of your money, while you let MS have your money.

Again, because I don't want the most expensive of 3 consoles, I'm a Sony hater.. Nevermind that I have a PS2 and PSP that I use regularly.. lol.. you kids.

Disgaea 4 will be on PS3. Believe!! PS2 = Dead. Wii won’t be an option because of non-gamers mostly supporting it.

How does that matter? Wii sells as much as 5x as much as PS3 by month and suddenly that doesn't matter, because of "non-gamers". Numbers don't lie.

If you hate Disgaea, then why the fuck are you posting in this thread??

You're mistaken. I said the series is stale, not that I hate it. It's rather got some good ideas, but after two iterations of such huge games, there's got to be some streamlining and visual appeal added, or something. Typical eastern design holding onto broken gameplay elements out of laziness or some sense of "nostalgia".

Another ignorant post. For one, SCEA were the ones who felt SOME 2D games shouldn’t be FULL priced. Do you think an SNK 2D game like Metal Slug 3 should be priced at $40-$50 new??? They felt it was best to put the game in a classical compilation, like other developers would do and they wouldn’t. That is all. You just keep assuming false crap that isn’t exactly true. SCEI doesn’t give a crap about 2D games since PS2 had WAY more than other consoles. SCEE didn’t care. SCEA just has some quality control. However, many of those who might have had restrictions are no longer with SCEA and their approval process is quite different now (which is why many stuff is slipping by now).

Yet, Microsoft was able to support SNK with those releases by coming to a comprimise and bundling the games. Not 2D related, but Sony also effectively killed Working Designs by denying the release of their goemon game that they had spent a great deal on and subsequently were not able to release/profit from.

PS3 is a great deal.
Opinion. It's a great deal for a minority of the market that has an HDTV and wants a Blu-Ray player more than games. That's why it's been selling to a minority of the market for almost a year now. It's a very logical conclusion to come to based on what we know.

PS3 still continues to increase its sales in Japan and is selling near the Wii now. Saying its doomed just proves you’re an idiot again. It won’t go to Wii because the Wii is mostly casual, and Disgaea isn’t casual.

You're generalizing about an audience and games like Resident Evil 4 and Metroid Prime 3 have performed quite well to this "mostly casual" audience. Wii still has a larger marketshare in japan and Disgaea would sell better on it. End of story.

NIS isn’t lazy, they just don’t have the kind of money a Capcom, Konami, Namco Bandai, etc. may have to make a graphically impressive game. However, they get by with the personality they put into their games, which is just fine.

It’s not downloadable because not everyone has access to an internet connection. Also, people cannot use their own cash to buy a digital download (which is why Square Enix doesn’t believe in providing digital downloads, so no FF, DQ, etc. for PSN, VC, and XBLA

It's my opinion that if Guilty Gear and Odin Sphere, both coming from fairly small developer/publishers, are able to make high resolution art for a 2D game, Disgaea should have no problem. There's no excuse.

Did you honestly believe Square's excuse? They don't provide their back catalog because they regularly sell full priced remakes of these games and make a ton doing it. It has nothing to do with "not using your own cash" or "people being confused" it has everything to do with FF3 on DS, FF4 on DS, and the two FF remakes on PSP, all sold for $30-40 apeice.

[Inf^Shini]

What's that term they uses in Saving Private Ryan?
Fubar or something?
I think those words are funny.

Yea, it's FUBAR :lol:

For those who don't know, it's Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition

A cel-shaded Disgaea 3 would be fine. I don't know about using sprites. The game is still going to be awesome, but I hope it doesn't flop from having low-end graphics.

Now that you mention it, cel-shaded would probably be a better route, does that add a lot of cost to development?? I'm not too savvy with those kinds of things.

[jer7583]

It probably would, what with having to hire artists who can do 3D instead of just recycling the same pixelated sprites every time. I'm not even asking for cel shading, just redo the characters in high resolution, for God's sake.

[opportunity777]

It probably would, what with having to hire artists who can do 3D instead of just recycling the same pixelated sprites every time. I'm not even asking for cel shading, just redo the characters in high resolution, for God's sake.

I think redrawing or drawing the sprites in high-res like SSFII: Turbo HD Remix (or whatever it's going to be called) or Guilty Gear is a lot more time-consuming and expensive than using 3D models. The difficulty of re-drawing (or drawing original) sprites is why Capcom and other companies recycle the originals over and over again. Now, imagine how many different sprites will have to be redone for a Disgaea game. It would take forever to finish the product. The time-consuming and expensive nature of sprite drawing is the main reason KOF XII is going to have cel-shaded 3D models.

IMO, since SNKUSA is using cel-shading, then it must be cheaper than redoing all the character sprites because they are always looking for ways to cut corners. Also, it might be easier to manipulate 3D models once they are created than adding additional animations to sprites.

I think at best we might get Pocket Fighter HD level of high-res sprites, and those do not look very good.

I really don't care because I like the Disgaea series. If NIS chooses to make higher resolution graphics, then the company should go the cel-shading route. It would make the graphics pop a lot more and help emphasize the manga / anime nature of the characters.

[mykevermin]

Wow. Well, clearly graphics matter to some people, no? Evidently, some people seem to think that Disgaea 3 won't sell, unless they update the character sprites?

Well...hmm. Wow.

Sounds to me like sour grapes from folks who would have preferred to see this on the Wii, where, of course, it wouldn't be a bomb. :lol:

[Puffa469]

Wow. Well, clearly graphics matter to some people, no? Evidently, some people seem to think that Disgaea 3 won't sell, unless they update the character sprites?

Well...hmm. Wow.

Sounds to me like sour grapes from folks who would have preferred to see this on the Wii, where, of course, it wouldn't be a bomb. :lol:

Believe it or not, this 'crap' looking game is one of the games that makes me wish I had a ps3. Disgaea 1 & 2 are two of my favorite games ever. I have over 300 combined hours invested in those games.

My hope is that this comes out and sells like 20,000 copies so NIS will decide to port it to the 360 or Wii.

[dallow]

Believe it or not, this 'crap' looking game is one of the games that makes me wish I had a ps3. Disgaea 1 & 2 are two of my favorite games ever. I have over 300 combined hours invested in those games.

My hope is that this comes out and sells like 20,000 copies so NIS will decide to port it to the 360 or Wii.You missed his point Mr. Sour Grapes.

Hmm, actually. You proved it.

[Vanigan]

The key thing to me is that, if they save a lot of money by not using next gen graphics, are they going to pass on those savings to the players by pricing the game down to say, $40-$45?

The gameplay is key, but I still want things to look nice. They should have at least updated the sprites and textures to higher resolution, or at least some blocky stylized 3D models with interchangeable parts.

The main problem is that these graphics, while okay on normal screens, are going to look a lot worse on HDTVs.

[willardhaven]

I just don't see why it's going to the PS3 over the PS2. If they're doing some things that can't be done on PS2 then I'm behind them all the way.

If this game takes up a couple of gigs are they seriously going to print it on a BRD?

[whoknows]

Bitch bitch bitch about the graffix. They ARE next gen, and here's why:


http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/5323/disgaeabo3.jpg

Seriously though, I'm sure it will be a great game. Not a $60 game, but really, I don't see the point in complaining about the graphics

[Puffa469]

You missed his point Mr. Sour Grapes.

Hmm, actually. You proved it.

I was agreeing with him. Yup... :D

[dallow]

I was agreeing with him. Yup... :DThen don't I look foolish! :bomb:

[bigl523]

I think we all agree that the graphic upgrade (or lack thereof) is a bummer, however let's analyze this a bit more. I don't know about the rest of you, but Odin Sphere was a gorgeous game...but did that make it fun? No, it was extremely monotonous. I had to fight the same bosses over and over and OVER again. Great visuals, but lacking in the variety department. Remember when the Wii came out and everyone was bitching how the graphics were crap? Well look what happened, the gameplay was fun and the Wii ended up selling millions upon millions with games that weren't even in HD. Can we please stop whining about the graphics here and return the conversation to one about gameplay, story, and characters? The disgaea series to me is fun because of the story, the conversations that the characters have between each other, and the fun strategy gameplay elements. If they beefed up the graphics I would be ecstatic, but if they decided to keep it similar I'm not gonna sit here and cry and cry and cry because you know what? It's not gonna change a damn thing. The game is going to come out on the ps3, not the ps2 or the wii, so if you want to play it get a freaking ps3 or just wait for the price of a ps3 to drop low enough for you to warrant a purchase. /end rant

[cochesecochese]

It's just a touch disappointing. One of the highlights of Nippon Ichi's work is the sprites and this was a good opportunity to redraw them in a higher resolution. From what I understand they're a really small company and can't really afford it which is a shame.

I'm holding out judgement until I hear more about the game's mechanics. In order for me to bite, I'm going to need to see some new gameplay elements and a sharp story.

[jer7583]

If my complaint of "this shit could be done on PS2/Wii why isn't it being done on PS2/Wii" equals sour grapes, then that's me.

I actually rather enjoy both sour flavors and grapes, so maybe that's right up my alley.

[Inf^Shini]

It would be cool if they told Sony, "hey, we wanna make this game as great as possible, you mind giving us a helping hand since we're releasing it on your console?"

[The Mana Knight]

This message is hidden because jer7583 is on your ignore list. :D

It would be cool if they told Sony, "hey, we wanna make this game as great as possible, you mind giving us a helping hand since we're releasing it on your console?"I do feel that NIS should work closer with Sony on the Disgaea games, because I think they'd be willing to provide the graphics to NIS, while NIS just does the gameplay, story, etc.

[Inf^Shini]

:D

I do feel that NIS should work closer with Sony on the Disgaea games, because I think they'd be willing to provide the graphics to NIS, while NIS just does the gameplay, story, etc.

That would only make sense

[-Never4ever-]

Wow. Well, clearly graphics matter to some people, no? Evidently, some people seem to think that Disgaea 3 won't sell, unless they update the character sprites?

Well...hmm. Wow.

Sounds to me like sour grapes from folks who would have preferred to see this on the Wii, where, of course, it wouldn't be a bomb. :lol:


Personally, I'd like to see it at a price point to match what's going into the game. I could care less if that was PS2 / PSP / GBA / DS / DC / PS1 / N64 / Whatever.

Would you like to pay $60 for a game that would look dated on the PS1? That could easily be done on a number of other systems at half the price?

I'll make my stance on this very clear: I'm not touching it unless it's $30, and I don't care what fucking system it winds up on.



I can’t believe I haven’t put your ignore yet, but I will do it asap.



Wow, all those words, yet you concede defeat in the middle of it all?

You tout yourself as some smart, hip individual, but your words betray you. You're just a scared child hiding from differing views. Sony is the most awesome company in the history of the world, and no one can dare say otherwise? Wake up and accept that everything you think and believe in doesn't necessary translate into complete and utter truth. You spend all this time trying to save Sony, but all you do is make them look worse and worse, while looking more and more like an insane fan-boy yourself.

I do. Several of the people who cared to post in this thread do.



I said EITHER late OR inferior. Both Stuntman and Dirt were late.



I accept the fact that I won't be getting this game, It doesn't bother me in the least. When I finish a disgaea game, or when they reboot the series instead of rehash, I'll care about it. Which of the first two did you see through to completion, Mana? I came into this thread thinking, well now NIS has no excuse not to do some high res, good looking art, but I get this crap.



You own 31 games because you're a Sony nut. I can't even think of 3 games I'd buy for PS3 currently. I had a RRoD. My system was gone for a little over a week, about a year ago, replaced with a new system for FREE. I don't know what more you can ask from a company in dealing with hardware problems than that. (maybe needing to wait for a class action lawsuit to get free repairs?) How many of those 31 games have you finished, Mana?

You're right about that. LOOK AT THE WEBSITE WE'RE POSTING ON. No reason you can't be cheap and have good games. I've been very much enjoying my $5 copy of Second Sight for PS2 I found the other day. What was the last $60 game you finished, Mana?



Like it or not, a Sony representative said that the reason for removing PS2 BC was to encourage PS3 title sales. I didn't make that up, it was said. And if a big company like Sony isn't willing to take an extra $20 loss per console or follow microsoft's example of software BC, they're just being cheap.



Again, because I don't want the most expensive of 3 consoles, I'm a Sony hater.. Nevermind that I have a PS2 and PSP that I use regularly.. lol.. you kids.



How does that matter? Wii sells as much as 5x as much as PS3 by month and suddenly that doesn't matter, because of "non-gamers". Numbers don't lie.



You're mistaken. I said the series is stale, not that I hate it. It's rather got some good ideas, but after two iterations of such huge games, there's got to be some streamlining and visual appeal added, or something. Typical eastern design holding onto broken gameplay elements out of laziness or some sense of "nostalgia".



Yet, Microsoft was able to support SNK with those releases by coming to a comprimise and bundling the games. Not 2D related, but Sony also effectively killed Working Designs by denying the release of their goemon game that they had spent a great deal on and subsequently were not able to release/profit from.


Opinion. It's a great deal for a minority of the market that has an HDTV and wants a Blu-Ray player more than games. That's why it's been selling to a minority of the market for almost a year now. It's a very logical conclusion to come to based on what we know.



You're generalizing about an audience and games like Resident Evil 4 and Metroid Prime 3 have performed quite well to this "mostly casual" audience. Wii still has a larger marketshare in japan and Disgaea would sell better on it. End of story.



It's my opinion that if Guilty Gear and Odin Sphere, both coming from fairly small developer/publishers, are able to make high resolution art for a 2D game, Disgaea should have no problem. There's no excuse.

Did you honestly believe Square's excuse? They don't provide their back catalog because they regularly sell full priced remakes of these games and make a ton doing it. It has nothing to do with "not using your own cash" or "people being confused" it has everything to do with FF3 on DS, FF4 on DS, and the two FF remakes on PSP, all sold for $30-40 apeice.

OH GOD A DIFFERING OPINION~!!! RUN FOR THE HILLS MANA KNIGHT!! With you tail between your legs, coward.

[whoknows]

I'd pay $40 for it if it turned out well, more if I was a big fan of the series.

[jer7583]

LA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LA LA LA LA LA LA

I hear that's real popular on the playground too, these days.

$30 is the magic number for this game. It won't be that price, though.

[zerolens]

They say it should be a $30 or less game but I'm sure they never said the same about Disgaea on PS2 which most say looks like a PS1 game. The game sold well and did well at $50, I'm sure you guys made topics on how it should have been $30 huh? Yeah right.

They have basically confirmed Disgaea for the DS and said they are looking at the Wii. You have Disgaea on PS3, PS2, and PSP. NIS is being more than fair. Just the usual sour grapes from xbox/nintendo fans not wanting the PS3 to get any games.

I spent 100 hours on Disgaea. Disgaea 3 deserves to be $50 if it can do the same. Better than paying $60 for all these under 10 hour games coming out lately. If you don't like to level grind or fight extra bosses or whatever that's your choice but Disgaea offers great bang for the buck regardless of the graphics.

[The Mana Knight]

They say it should be a $30 or less game but I'm sure they never said the same about Disgaea on PS2 which most say looks like a PS1 game. The game sold well and did well at $50, I'm sure you guys made topics on how it should have been $30 huh? Yeah right.

They have basically confirmed Disgaea for the DS and said they are looking at the Wii. You have Disgaea on PS3, PS2, and PSP. NIS is being more than fair. Just the usual sour grapes from xbox/nintendo fans not wanting the PS3 to get any games.

I spent 100 hours on Disgaea. Disgaea 3 deserves to be $50 if it can do the same. Better than paying $60 for all these under 10 hour games coming out lately. If you don't like to level grind or fight extra bosses or whatever that's your choice but Disgaea offers great bang for the buck regardless of the graphics.Haha so true, and jer happens to be the one feeling that way right now. :lol:

QFT though. I like Disgaea because it's fun and long. Why do short games with impressive graphics get a pass while this game does not (which will definitely be longer)? Who knows.

Also, bringing this to PS3 opens the possibility for download content, which would be nice for a Disgaea.

[-Never4ever-]

They say it should be a $30 or less game but I'm sure they never said the same about Disgaea on PS2 which most say looks like a PS1 game. The game sold well and did well at $50, I'm sure you guys made topics on how it should have been $30 huh? Yeah right.

They have basically confirmed Disgaea for the DS and said they are looking at the Wii. You have Disgaea on PS3, PS2, and PSP. NIS is being more than fair. Just the usual sour grapes from xbox/nintendo fans not wanting the PS3 to get any games.

I spent 100 hours on Disgaea. Disgaea 3 deserves to be $50 if it can do the same. Better than paying $60 for all these under 10 hour games coming out lately. If you don't like to level grind or fight extra bosses or whatever that's your choice but Disgaea offers great bang for the buck regardless of the graphics.

Disgaea I & II did pretty good on PS2, because the PS2 has a huge install base and is crazy popular in both Japan & the US. PS3 is nothing like the PS2, in any way shape, or form (besides the name). The PS3 has a crap install base in both territories, not to mention that the people that bought a PS3, did so because it's a graphical powerhouse (or Blu-Ray), and they sure as hell don't want anything resembling Disgaea 3.

What people are trying to get across is that it would probably do way better on Wii, PS2 or one of the portables (BTW I love all this mention of 360, yet no has mentioned it except the Sony Fanboys).

If they want to drop it on PS3, then go the Warhawk route and offer it as Down loadable for $40, or as a Special edition BRD loaded with tons & tons of extras for $60.

[zerolens]

Disgaea I & II did pretty good on PS2, because the PS2 has a huge install base and is crazy popular in both Japan & the US. PS3 is nothing like the PS2, in any way shape, or form (besides the name). The PS3 has a crap install base in both territories, not to mention that the people that bought a PS3, did so because it's a graphical powerhouse (or Blu-Ray), and they sure as hell don't want anything resembling Disgaea 3.

What people are trying to get across is that it would probably do way better on Wii, PS2 or one of the portables (BTW I love all this mention of 360, yet no has mentioned it except the Sony Fanboys).

If they want to drop it on PS3, then go the Warhawk route and offer it as Down loadable for $40, or as a Special edition BRD loaded with tons & tons of extras for $60.

This game at $50 on the PS2 or Wii is ok to you and others in here. But put it on the PS3 all of a sudden it should be under $50? Every game is required to use blu-ray, why should how much space it uses have any bearing on the cost? Did Disgaea push the PS2 to the limits?

It comes down to one thing, the game isn't available to many people because it requires a PS3. That's it. It has nothing to do with using the PS3's potential. Putting Disgaea 3 on the PS2 no one in here would be ranting. It's just another day and another game for NIS. But putting it on PS3 and cutting off some people from playing it then here comes the complaints.

Disgaea 2 was 6800 yen and so is Disgaea 3. Same thing except one is PS2 and one is PS3. Again Disgaea 3 for $50 on PS2 wouldn't receive complaints, on PS3 it should be below $50? It's the same game, different systems. People are making excuses when it's simply about not having a PS3. If someone does have a PS3 and is complaining then it makes no sense, you simply wait for a price drop and buy it at the price they think it's worth. No one is forcing them to buy it at a higher price.

[The Mana Knight]

This game at $50 on the PS2 or Wii is ok to you and others in here. But put it on the PS3 all of a sudden it should be under $50? Every game is required to use blu-ray, why should how much space it uses have any bearing on the cost? Did Disgaea push the PS2 to the limits?

It comes down to one thing, the game isn't available to many people because it requires a PS3. That's it. It has nothing to do with using the PS3's potential. Putting Disgaea 3 on the PS2 no one in here would be ranting. It's just another day and another game for NIS. But putting it on PS3 and cutting off some people from playing it then here comes the complaints.

Disgaea 2 was 6800 yen and so is Disgaea 3. Same thing except one is PS2 and one is PS3. Again Disgaea 3 for $50 on PS2 wouldn't receive complaints, on PS3 it should be below $50? It's the same game, different systems. People are making excuses when it's simply about not having a PS3. If someone does have a PS3 and is complaining then it makes no sense, you simply wait for a price drop and buy it at the price they think it's worth. No one is forcing them to buy it at a higher price.QFT and very good post. People are only upset because Disgaea 3 is on PS3 and they don't have one. Any game going PS3 exclusive is bad for most, but good to me. :)

[Blitz]

QFT and very good post. People are only upset because Disgaea 3 is on PS3 and they don't have one. Any game going PS3 exclusive is bad for most, but good to me. :)


But in the long run you're insignificant. You're the type of guy that if Sony got into the nuclear business you would be begging them to bury the waste in your back yard.

It's funny to hear some PS3 people back peddle. When the Wii came out it was all about the graphics and how they sucked compared to the PS3. Now that a lower graphic game comes out on the PS3 it's not so much about the graphics anymore. Which is it?

[dallow]

It's funny to hear some PS3 people back peddle. When the Wii came out it was all about the graphics and how they sucked compared to the PS3. Now that a lower graphic game comes out on the PS3 it's not so much about the graphics anymore. Which is it?Better to have both.

Allow devs to make the game as they want it.

[jlarlee]

This is the first game to come out that makes me want to get a PS3. IMO it only falls behind FF Tactics on the list of the best SRPGS ever

[VanillaGorilla]

Just another reason for me to eventually get a PS3. Hopefully this will show other smaller Japanese developers that you CAN do RPG's on the PS3 without spending billions of dollars. I would kill for another Shadow Hearts game on the PS3.

[schuerm26]

QFT and very good post. People are only upset because Disgaea 3 is on PS3 and they don't have one. Any game going PS3 exclusive is bad for most, but good to me. :)

Jesus, anyone else missing the whole point of this discussion as much as you seem to be?

[zerolens]

Jesus, anyone else missing the whole point of this discussion as much as you seem to be?

People are making a point that the game doesn't take advantage of the PS3 or it will hurt NIS so they don't want it on the PS3. That's bull. They're upset because they don't have a PS3 and don't want to buy one. You take a PS2 game like Tomb Raider Anniversary and release it on the Wii and 360 and no one cares. Why? Because basically everyone can play the game.

As of now Disgaea 3 is exclusive to PS3 so the people who don't plan to get one are upset. Has absolutely nothing to do with graphics. If it was offered on multiple platforms the graphics on the PS3 version no longer matter. The graphics are all of a sudden acceptable because they could pick up a PS2 or Wii version or whatever. And no one here actually cares about NIS as a company as some would argue since they rant about it not being worth full price. Yeah that'll really help out NIS won't it?

People want it on their console of choice, everyone is hiding behind various excuses but that's really the bottomline here.

[Gourd]

... I kinda wish we were talking about the GAME more, honestly.

I'm hoping it will have the georama system, personally. Loved setting off chain reactions.

[BattleChicken]

People are making a point that the game doesn't take advantage of the PS3 or it will hurt NIS so they don't want it on the PS3. That's bull. They're upset because they don't have a PS3 and don't want to buy one. You take a PS2 game like Tomb Raider Anniversary and release it on the Wii and 360 and no one cares. Why? Because basically everyone can play the game.

As of now Disgaea 3 is exclusive to PS3 so the people who don't plan to get one are upset. Has absolutely nothing to do with graphics. If it was offered on multiple platforms the graphics on the PS3 version no longer matter. The graphics are all of a sudden acceptable because they could pick up a PS2 or Wii version or whatever. And no one here actually cares about NIS as a company as some would argue since they rant about it not being worth full price. Yeah that'll really help out NIS won't it?

People want it on their console of choice, everyone is hiding behind various excuses but that's really the bottomline here.

Well.. I think you may be overstating the motives of the people who question the choice of platform -- PS2, for this title, (as we currently see it, sans high def sprites, etc), would have made the most sense. It has the highest installed base, and there are no features that warrant the more expensive platform -- as a whole, NIS would stand to make more money on the game on the PS2 than the PS3. That general sentiment, at least, is my take on people questioning why it is on the PS3 -- not a whiney 'I don't WANT a PS3' tantrum. Questioning the choice does NOT neccesarily equate to whining about the choice.

That said, I hope that NIS shows some tangible advantage to having the game on the PS3, versus the PS2 or another platform, because currently it is a questionable choice.

[zerolens]

The PS2 is severely lacking this Christmas compared to previous years and for obvious reasons. The PS3 is out and companies are moving away from the PS2. The PS2 is holding its own but it doesn't hold a candle to previous years IMO.

NIS will slowly start the transition away from the PS2 to current consoles. Unless you're still concentrating on the graphics there's nothing unusual at all about it. Every launch game and game released in a console's first year could be considered questionable when the previous console has more sales. Why even bother with a new console if companies won't take a risk and make games for it? Props to NIS for stepping up to the plate.

[BattleChicken]

The PS2 is severely lacking this Christmas compared to previous years and for obvious reasons. The PS3 is out and companies are moving away from the PS2. The PS2 is holding its own but it doesn't hold a candle to previous years IMO.

NIS will slowly start the transition away from the PS2 to current consoles. Unless you're still concentrating on the graphics there's nothing unusual at all about it. Every launch game and game released in a console's first year could be considered questionable when the previous console has more sales. Why even bother with a new console if companies won't take a risk and make games for it? Props to NIS for stepping up to the plate.

Thats not a bad point, all in all, but.. lets say resistance.. could not have been done on the PS2.

Disgaea 3 appears to be completly possible on the PS2 -- even the questionable launch titles pushed the graphical envelope at least

Eh, either way. the PS3 will die if they don't transition off the PS2, its just a shame that NIS (as it seems now) isn't even prettying up their sprites on their next outing.

Chances are I'll still buy the game eventually, despite that.

[Gourd]

Does anyone have a lead on where to preorder this game?

[Ice2Dragon]

Does anyone have a lead on where to preorder this game?

Play asia you can pre order the limited edition, but its japan, so language barrier -_-V

Not sure if you can switch languages though.. if you can.. im completely for pre ordering it

Anybody know if theres a language selection for the ps3 version in japan ??

[Inf^Shini]

I'll find out in a week or so. I pre-ordered the LE about a week ago and it looks like it's going to ship out tomorrow.

I'll post up some impressions (maybe screenshots if I can figure that out) and some pics of the LE http://www.bemanistyle.com/forum/images/smilies/v.gif

[phattsoe]

man, disgaea 3... wish i had $$$ for a ps3 now...

anyways, i guess i'm in the minority for just loving the deep gameplay on the first two and wasn't too bothered by the graphics... still, a discount price wouldn't hurt.

[whoknows]

I hope the Japanese version has English support. I remember when I imported a certain PS3 game it automatically had it in English because my PS3 is the US version, but the game has to have English support to do that.

[Inf^Shini]

I HIGHLY doubt it would have english support

[The Mana Knight]

Yeah, I doubt it will have English support. But, it should be coming stateside later this year.

[Inf^Shini]

Bump because my order shipped last week and I changed my sig :D

[The Mana Knight]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.joystiq.com/media/2008/03/disg3_2_topper.jpg
How important are graphics in the scheme of game design? Do they trump audio? Level design? Gameplay? Peer pressure probably dictates that we downplay the importance of graphics, but the impact of eye candy cannot be understated. Anyone believing differently need only take a cursory glance at comments made by readers in reaction to news that NIS America would bring the third game in its popular console strategy franchise Disgaea to the PlayStation 3 this August.

The reactions were made not to the game's release date, but rather to the title's appearance, which despite calling Sony's latest console home, look very much the part of a last gen release. Recently we caught up with the publisher's marketing coordinator Jack Niida, and asked him a number of questions about the game, including just what's the deal with Disgaea 3's lack of visual fidelity.

"It's simply because PS2 lacks the processing power and memory capacity to support Disgaea 3," Jack told us. "PS2 could not load the same amount of data on to memory and process it like the PS3; therefore, we decided to develop it for the next-gen platform." He added that "the character sprites for Disgaea 3 take 3~4 times the amount of labor to create compared to Disgaea 2," and the team is "doing our best to improve the sprites."

While you mull over that justification, and decided if it's enough of a reason to continue to look forward to Disgaea 3's release this fall, look for our complete interview with NIS America later this week.
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/11/nis-america-ps2-lacks-the-power-to-run-disgaea-3/

That is why Disgaea is on PS3 and not PSP/PS2. I certainly agree with him and look forward.

[zewone]

He's full of shit.

[Inf^Shini]

The sprites only look better when you zoom out. Other than that, they look the same as Disgaea 2's sprites. However, the animation does look improved IMO, so I'm assuming that when they refer to improving the sprites they mean creating more frames for the sprite animations and try to pretty it up a bit (if that's even possible).
The environment looks sharp but not anything ground-breaking. They should have just made the world/levels larger so the sprites appear smaller and prettier.

From the amount of time I've put into it, it doesn't seem like anything to get too excited over, but I love the Disgaea series and so far it hasn't dissapointed in that view, BUT, I was annoyed with one thing, and that was the Intro. The animation is nice but the song blows. I don't want to spoil anything but the song just fails completely on what it tries to be, and I hope they change that song for the English version.

Btw, team attacks rule and you can do stuff with blocks now, plus you can go on top of Geo Symbols now ^^b

Also, I have no idea what he references to when talking about the lack of processing power and memory :-k

[mtxbass1]

The sprites only look better when you zoom out. Other than that, they look the same as Disgaea 2's sprites. However, the animation does look improved IMO, so I'm assuming that when they refer to improving the sprites they mean creating more frames for the sprite animations and try to pretty it up a bit (if that's even possible).
The environment looks sharp but not anything ground-breaking. They should have just made the world/levels larger so the sprites appear smaller and prettier.

From the amount of time I've put into it, it doesn't seem like anything to get too excited over, but I love the Disgaea series and so far it hasn't dissapointed in that view, BUT, I was annoyed with one thing, and that was the Intro. The animation is nice but the song blows. I don't want to spoil anything but the song just fails completely on what it tries to be, and I hope they change that song for the English version.

Btw, team attacks rule and you can do stuff with blocks now, plus you can go on top of Geo Symbols now ^^b

Also, I have no idea what he references to when talking about the lack of processing power and memory :-k


Does part 3 still have full camera zoom/rotation? Can you customize that any (maybe with the right stick?)

Also, does the game at least support 720p?

[Dr Mario Kart]

He's full of shit.
Capcom could port this to the PS2 in their sleep.

[zerolens]

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/03/11/nis-america-ps2-lacks-the-power-to-run-disgaea-3/

That is why Disgaea is on PS3 and not PSP/PS2. I certainly agree with him and look forward.

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2008/1050.html

Last but not least, Niikawa asked fans to look forward to the announcement of various new titles for PlayStation 3 and PlayStation Portable in the future.

That's what PS3 owners should be concerned about. So much for NIS going bankrupt because of the PS3 and NIS's decision to put a game on it. So much for Sony rejecting the game in NA because of the graphics.

[happy]

Having just started Disgaea 2 finally, that screen shot does look a fair bit better. Also what do people want from the graphics? I personally like the sprites, and I think they fit the overall game design perfectly.

I just hope all that extra disc space and processing power means more classes, abilities and items... (maybe you can go up to lvl 99,999 now)

[willardhaven]

Find me someone who has beaten Disagaea, Phantom Brave, Makai Kingdom, Disgaea 2 and Soul Nomad, and I will find you someone who should be excited for this game.

[refusedchaos]

Find me someone who has beaten Disagaea, Phantom Brave, Makai Kingdom, Disgaea 2 and Soul Nomad, and I will find you someone who should be excited for this game.

i have :D, but im not excited =/

[Inf^Shini]

Does part 3 still have full camera zoom/rotation? Can you customize that any (maybe with the right stick?)

Also, does the game at least support 720p?
You still have full camera control, but it's still only in those 90 degree turns; I would have preferred free, full control of camera rotation.

They did add one more zoom out to the features, so everything can get tiny and it looks sharper, but once you execute/end your turn it auto zooms back in (as usual).

The game supports up to 1080p, so no worries there.

[62t]

Find me someone who has beaten Disagaea, Phantom Brave, Makai Kingdom, Disgaea 2 and Soul Nomad, and I will find you someone who should be excited for this game.

you left out la purcell

[ChibiJosh]

Find me someone who has beaten Disagaea, Phantom Brave, Makai Kingdom, Disgaea 2 and Soul Nomad, and I will find you someone who should be excited for this game.
I'm excited and I don't even have a PS3.

[ihavenolife123]

you left out la purcell

i think that was on purpose

[atomsk]

Prier is awesome, but yeah la pucelle kinda reeks.

[The Mana Knight]

New Disgaea 3 patch coming in Japan

Nippon Ichi Software announced an update for its PlayStation 3 title Disgaea 3. After downloading the patch, which will be available starting today, players will be able to add the "ten gentlemen" to their party. Those characters have been non-playable so far. To add them to one's party, two conditions have to be met. First, the player has to get the game's normal ending and second, the level of protagonist Mao has to be higher than that of the respective gentleman. Under those conditions, the player can add one gentleman to his party after each play through.

Disgaea 3 has been available in Japan since January 31st. NIS America is currently readying a localized US version for an August release on this side of the Pacific.

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2008/1153.html

Pretty cool news if you ask me. :) One reason I'm glad it's on PS3 compared to a last gen platform.

Also, it did get a name which I updated the thread title with:
http://www.hardcoregamer.com/index.php?option=com_magazine&id_rubrique=3&type=article&id_article=82

[Inf^Shini]

You can vote for the 15 songs and cover art for the pre-order bonus sountrack for Disgaea 3

http://disgaea.us/vote/img/md_01.jpg (http://disgaea.us/vote/)

[Halo05]

They should make a new song that consists of Laharl yelling "horse weiner?!" over and over again.

[thelonepig]

They should make a new song that consists of Laharl yelling "horse weiner?!" over and over again.

Maybe they could get someone like Timbaland to remix it. :lol:

[Doc Bacca]

I haven't tried any of the games before but from all the good news about the others, I am definitely going to give this one a try.
Here's a link for an english trailer that was put up of the game

http://kotaku.com/5015701/disgaea-3-trailer-now-in-english

[The Mana Knight]

I updated the OP with boxart and other info.

Official Site is up:
http://www.disgaea.us/dis3/index.html

Comes out August 26th, 2008 for $49.99. :D

[JohnnyDrama]

Nice, not sure if i'll get it though since I have the first one and the one for the PSP and I haven't beaten either of them.

[LeafPanda]

Has anyone seen the Shonen Jump ad for it? It's weird.
If I get a PS3 I would get this, still having the 360 PS3 warfare in my mind, while my wii and I sit in the background playing brawl waiting until one of them dies =P.

[Blackout]

I'll be picking this one up. It's nice that it's coming out at $50.

[-Never4ever-]

I updated the OP with boxart and other info.

Official Site is up:
http://www.disgaea.us/dis3/index.html

Comes out August 26th, 2008 for $49.99. :D

Well at least they're offering it for less than a normal PS3 game. Still, should've been a $40 PS2 / PSN game.

Has anyone seen the Shonen Jump ad for it? It's weird.
If I get a PS3 I would get this, still having the 360 PS3 warfare in my mind, while my wii and I sit in the background playing brawl waiting until one of them dies =P.

Not going to happen, at least not till the PS4 / 720 hit.

[Dead of Knight]

La Pucelle is fucking awesome. Haters need to STFU. ;)

Then again, I'm a female, and I think that's the game's main audience. :lol: I actually just replayed it a couple weeks ago. There's definitely a lot of flaws with the gameplay, but it's still a great time.

[SpikeJonez]

Day 1.

[The Mana Knight]

La Pucelle is fucking awesome. Haters need to STFU. ;)
La Pucelle is my favorite one of the NIS RPGs personally.

Well at least they're offering it for less than a normal PS3 game. Still, should've been a $40 PS2 / PSN game.I'm glad it isn't on PS2 since friends of mine wouldn't be able to see me play it (It's a feature I just really love on PS3/360), I want DLC (which Disgaea 3 has), and I want the game to display nicely on my HDTV (well, at least where it's made to run in 720p native).

The reason it didn't go PSN has to do with not everyone has internet connection and downloads tend to not be as popular as retail games (unless dirt cheap). I don't mind being disc since the boxart looks sweet. :D

[fatbeer]

I'm not sure if anyone posted this. NIS announced their crappy bundles.



All theBundles will consists of Game + Customizable Soundtrack+ Main Theme CD
Game
http://www.rosenqueen.com/productimages%5Cgames%5Cdisgaea3%5CDis3_FrontCover _webondic..jpg

Customizable Soundtrack CD(Songs voted by the fans)
http://www.rosenqueen.com/productimages%5Cgames%5Cdisgaea3%5CdevilCD.JPG

Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice Main Theme CD (Japanese Version - 3 Songs from each Disgaea Series
http://www.rosenqueen.com/productimages%5Cgames%5Cdisgaea3%5CSC01.jpg
http://www.rosenqueen.com/productimages%5Cgames%5Cdisgaea3%5CSC02.jpg




1.Disgaea® 3: Absence of Justice Alma Mater Set
Cost-$49.99

1. Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice game
2. Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice Customizable Soundtrack CD (Songs voted by the fans)
3. Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice Main Theme CD (Japanese Version - 3 Songs from each Disgaea Series)

http://www.rosenqueen.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=239


2.Disgaea® 3: Absence of Justice Delinquent Pride Set
Cost-$69.98

1. Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice
2. Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice Customizable Soundtrack CD (Songs voted by the fans)
3. Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice Main Theme CD (Japanese Version - 3 Songs from each Disgaea Series)
4. Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice The Official Strategy Guide

http://www.rosenqueen.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=240


3. Absence of Justice No.1 Honor Student Set
Cost-$89.97


1. Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice
2. Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice Customizable Soundtrack CD (Songs voted by the fans)
3. Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice Main Theme CD (Japanese Version - 3 Songs from each Disgaea Series)
4. Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice The Official Strategy Guide
5. Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice Digital Media Disc

http://www.rosenqueen.com/productimages%5Cgames%5Cdisgaea3%5CD3_DMD_product_ thb.jpg

6. (randomly one of the items below will be included)

a) Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice Original Soundtrack CD (Japanese Version: 2 Discs with 37 Songs)
http://www.rosenqueen.com/productimages%5Cgames%5Cdisgaea3%5CD3OST.JPG

OR

b) Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice Artbook (Japanese Version: 36 Page in Full Color)
http://www.rosenqueen.com/productimages%5Cgames%5Cdisgaea3%5CD3ArtBook.JPG

OR

c)Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice School Flag (Japanese Version: Ones used at the retail store in Japan)
http://www.rosenqueen.com/productimages%5Cgames%5Cdisgaea3%5CD3Flag.JPG

http://www.rosenqueen.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=241

[The Mana Knight]

Cool, thanks for the post. :D I might get one of them.

[MarkMan]

I got the game early late last week... almost final build... but man, anyone who played the JPN version... Did you think the first few hours were incredibly boring?

I have yet to put more time into it as I've been busy with E3/work this week... but man.

I know the game got good reviews in Japan, so I won't count it out just yet... I mean I only hit the tip of the iceberg... ^_^

I'll give it more loving this weekend though... any requests for info/impressions?

[Inf^Shini]

I got the game early late last week... almost final build... but man, anyone who played the JPN version... Did you think the first few hours were incredibly boring?

I have yet to put more time into it as I've been busy with E3/work this week... but man.

I know the game got good reviews in Japan, so I won't count it out just yet... I mean I only hit the tip of the iceberg... ^_^

I'll give it more loving this weekend though... any requests for info/impressions?
Honestly, at the beginning I was just thrilled to play a new Disgaea game since I love a majority of Nippon Ichi/Strategy RPG games, but I've only put in a couple hours into the game. I gotta dump my JPN version quick so I can pick up the US one, so I'll have a better grip of what's going on :D

That's pretty much why I stopped playing the JPN one.

[Gourd]

Hmm. The Absence of Justice No.1 Honor Student Set is too much of a random diceroll for me to purchase. I have no interest in the flag or the extra original soundtrack. I'd love to have the artbook however.

[Suraph]

I did a quick browse over this thread, but not exhaustive so apologies if the question has already been asked.

Do we have a list of the character classes & controllable PCs available anywhere (in English) just yet? I wish to waste time waiting for the game by composing theoretical parties :D

[willardhaven]

Can someone who has the Disgaea 2 preorder set fill me on the size of the Japanese art book?

Is it the same size as the Makai Kingdom art book or smaller?

[LancerEvoX]

This game is really tempting for me to get, though there's a bunch of other PS3 games I still want to get >.> (Valkyria Chronicles, GTA IV, Burnout Paradise, Mercenaries 2...)

[sprintsucks5892]

I want to get this, but at the moment I have too many games to play. I'm thinking of just getting the guide right now, as those are usually a little harder to find than the actual game. Have the last few Nippon Ichi games' (After Makai Kingdom) guides been hard to find or have their prices gone up?

[depascal22]

Like you said, the guides are harder to find than the games. I stopped seeing any guides for Phantom Brave or Makai Kingdom a few weeks after release.

[sprintsucks5892]

Like you said, the guides are harder to find than the games. I stopped seeing any guides for Phantom Brave or Makai Kingdom a few weeks after release.
I guess I'll end up picking it up. If worse comes to worse and I never end up buying D3, I can always re-sell it later and at least break even (hopefully).

[The Mana Knight]

The game is out today. I don't have a ride today, so I have to wait until tomorrow to pick up my preorder. That sucks unfortunately, but I can't wait to play. :D

[rainking187]

Did anyone get flagged by Rosenqueen? I got my order today and was quite relieved to see I got the OST, which is what I really wanted anyway.

[CAG 79]

My order status at Rosenqueen is just "pre-order". No info whether its shipping or not.

[Kayden]

I remember spending over 100 hours playing D1 in college. I thought it was awesome. I started playing D2 last weekend to get ready for 3 and, while it was fun, when I got to the "epic" parts, it was just a snore.

To get past level 100ish, you have to spend hours diving into your items and leveling them up. Which could be fun, but all the rooms are pretty bland and unlike D1, theres no incentive to clear the level (items leveled better when you actually cleared them instead of skipping) so you wind up just trying to get to the X0th floor asap to kill the boss and get out.

It stops becoming fun and becomes effort. Maybe its because I have dozens of games yet to open and I'm not the poor college kid I used to be, but I just can't sit on my ass for 4 hours so my sword can do 50% more damage which will raise my damage a whole 12%! I don't know if I'm lazy, falling out of the genre or just getting too old for this shit.

[opportunity777]

...It stops becoming fun and becomes effort. Maybe its because I have dozens of games yet to open and I'm not the poor college kid I used to be, but I just can't sit on my ass for 4 hours so my sword can do 50% more damage which will raise my damage a whole 12%! I don't know if I'm lazy, falling out of the genre or just getting too old for this shit.

All of the above.

I have the same problems.

[happy]

All of the above.

I have the same problems.

Third... I pretty much played through the story of D2 and stopped. I think online play for games like warhawk and COD4 has taken the place of my previous desire to grind for crazy boss fights in RPGs in general. I'll probably pick up D3 eventually and play through it because I like the story, art style, and humor in the games... but I doubt I'll step foot in the item world.

Now if they set it up so you could have online fights against other people in a SRPG... :drool: Disgaea would work perfectly too with the geo square system so it wouldn't just be who has the higher level character/weapon.

[Vanigan]

It has a lot to do with how many Asian developed games, along with the Diablo series and MMOs, tend to rely on obsessive compulsive-like gameplay behavior to fill in gameplay hours.

[depascal22]

Is it a bad sign that this game has been out a day and no one has any impressions on it?

I also agree that grinding night and day for small reward isn't as fun as it used to be. The SRPG genre seems to have gotten stale after Disgaea. The only other game I enjoyed was Jeanne d'Arc.

[The Mana Knight]

Is it a bad sign that this game has been out a day and no one has any impressions on it?
At PS3 Forums, Neo GAF, etc., the threads of the game have gotten many more responses (and people posting impressions). I know one CAG on my buddy list who got it. I didn't get the game until today (could not pick it up yesterday).

Anyway, I got it along with the soundtrack today. :D
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=23&pictureid=2002

[Kayden]

I have no problem blowing a weekend playing Diablo 2. I know its kinda sorta the same... but the bloody corpses probably provide incentive more than subduing a specialist.

It has a lot to do with how many Asian developed games, along with the Diablo series and MMOs, tend to rely on obsessive compulsive-like gameplay behavior to fill in gameplay hours.

[Midnite]

Just picked up the game going to give it a whirl in a bit.

[refusedchaos]

does anyone not want their soundtrack or can get me a soundtrack? i RLY want the soundtrack in the case since my GameCrazy literally taped mine onto (its was a slip case one) the gamecase...pm me!!!

hope to play it soon!

[depascal22]

So what do you guys think?

[happy]

Looks like Japan just got some sort of online challenge dungeon added. If this makes its way over and the thing works out well (maybe they add a few more) I could easily be persuaded to buy the game. (Hopefully some cags will be into gamesharing disgaea content if it happens).

Extra challenge dungeons for a game like this seem like the perfect downloadable content too because when you play disgaea you play a lot of disgaea. To have a ranking challenge system where strategy plays a bigger role than being massively overleveled (not sure this is the case though) could add a whole new level of replayability and income for a company many disgaea fans want to support.

[fatbeer]

I just received my package from NIS official site. It took awhile to deliver a package from far end of west coast to east. I will post my impression soon.


I was browsing through the guide and the content in this game seems pretty large. I'm not sure if it's a lot of fluff(Doublejump is known for putting a lot of useless page fillers. Go look at Disgaea 2 guide) or there is a lot of content. Regardless, most NIS developed games are pretty long to complete except for earlier games like Rhapsody or La Purcelle

[JEKKI]

whoo! listed on Best Buy's website... and apparently in stock at my local store!!

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8994243&st=disgaea&lp=4&type=product&cp=1&id=1218007082014

Labor Day Coupon time!!!

[galvatron2k1]

whoo! listed on Best Buy's website... and apparently in stock at my local store!!

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8994243&st=disgaea&lp=4&type=product&cp=1&id=1218007082014

Labor Day Coupon time!!!

Just picked mine up from there w/ coupon and got back. Soundtrack CD is reshrink-wrapped over the original sealed Y-fold package. Not sure if other stores are doing this, but at least it came with the soundtrack.

[Bezerker]

I'm on part 5 of chapter 1. I'm having a lot of fun thus far. The only thing I never really cared for with the Disgaea games is the independent leveling system. The club system helps (mainly the 25% bonus exp for corner desks) but it would be nice if everyone leveled at the same time, rather than xp based on hits/kills.

Either way, I see myself spending a lot of time on this game. I've got everyone up to lvl 9ish, only 9,990 to go.

[Caduceus]

I've made it into Chapter 3 myself. Enjoying it. Though it will probably take several playthroughs to understand what the heck is going on sometimes, especially with Item and Character Worlds...

[JEKKI]

so I bought the guide from gamestop which is around the corner from my Best Buy.

I went to pull the price sticker off and.... it ripped a good square of book cover gloss right off of the book!!!

not only that, I heard it happened to other ppl too!!! :bomb:

[theblizzman]

Am about 1hr in and pleased so far. The graphics look very crisp . I may be a moron (probably am), but I cannot find out how to delete a character once I create one. Any help?
Still trying to get my head around the buying new skills vs upgrading weapon by using it a lot. It seems like it will take longer to get the skills for each weapon.

[Suraph]

You can't delete a character until you get to the second chapter (don't know why). The option will just show up in the Homeroom.

I'm not sure how I feel about buying the skills and upgrading them with mana. I see they sitll upgrade with use, but I haven't actually noticed a difference with them being leveled up that way (particularly in regards to spells which don't seem to get range or AoE upgrades this way)

[The Mana Knight]

I played the game more today and I'm really liking it more. The team attacks this time are MUCH more fun than ever. This is the most fun I've had with a Disgaea definitely.

I also like how the menus look really sharp too on my HDTV (along with the menus). I've laughed so many times during the story so far.

[fatbeer]

I just beat this game and all the critics are correct. If your a fan Disgaea or srpg with enhanced game play, light humor and large amount of extra content, you will definitely like this game. It's story is the same as any NIS published game. You play as anti-hero who acts all tough and strong. But as the game progress, they have a change of heart. Despite it's predictability, the story is really well told.


It's weakness isa long learning curve for beginners. They might be alienated by the amount of information you have to learn right off the bat. The graphics still looks like a ps2 game. The camera work still needs improvement. You can't rotate during animation attacks or they move in fix position. This can be very bad if your fighting an enemy near a wall(all you see is the wall instead of attack) or finding conceal treasures.


I don't know if it me or not, but the jumping for this game is very slippery. The jump distance is measure by how hard you hold your analog stick. A light push of analog stick will cause a small jump and strong push will cause a higher jump. I missed a lot of platform due to this feature. It's not a big problem since majority of this game doesn't use this feature. But when it comes to those hard to reach treasures in later chapter or mystery room, it is pain in the ass.


There is very little level grind in this game. I beat this game in 20 hours with little or no level grinding at all

[FriskyTanuki]

Just got this from Gamefly the other day and I've been enjoying it so far. I've never played a Disgaea game before, though I've wanted to see how it differs with the rest of the SRPG's I've palyed. I finished the first chapter and played a little bit into the second chapter, so how many chapters does the game have?

I do hate the camera, as it should be free-moving like Jeanne D'Arc's camera since it's such a pain in the ass to use. If I set it to be the near-overhead view, it resets for every attack and enemy turn, which is so annoying. I'm also disappointed by the blurry character sprites since it seems like NIS was just lazy and did the bare minimum to get the game on the PS3, which reminds me of Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo HD Remix in that it has a good portion of it that's been remade in HD, but the character sprites being low-res and blurry kind of ruins the illusion.

[The Mana Knight]

I do hate the camera, as it should be free-moving like Jeanne D'Arc's camera since it's such a pain in the ass to use. If I set it to be the near-overhead view, it resets for every attack and enemy turn, which is so annoying. I'm also disappointed by the blurry character sprites since it seems like NIS was just lazy and did the bare minimum to get the game on the PS3, which reminds me of Super Puzzle Fighter II Turbo HD Remix in that it has a good portion of it that's been remade in HD, but the character sprites being low-res and blurry kind of ruins the illusion.The camera in NIS games has been the same for a long time though. Although, I wouldn't really call NIS lazy personally with the graphics, because they even said there were two reasons they look how they do: To get the game out in just over a year, and they don't have funds to create a more impressive graphic engine (kind of like Gust and Idea Factory, the up front cost on PS3 is quite high which explains why its not flooded with Japanese games right now), although their next game will be improved graphically according to them.

But yeah, it's a fun game nonetheless. :)

[opportunity777]

The camera in NIS games has been the same for a long time though.

So?

If something better is available, then maybe it's time for a change. I hate it when companies continue chugging through with the same poor conventions they have been using for years. Some conventions can be good, but others really start to burn at your gaming soul. Example: Capcom sticking with that archaic control scheme for RE games for what seemed like an eternity.

On the point of the game, I was able to give it a spin for a couple of hours. I have all of the Disgaea games, but I only put in a lot of hours on the first one. I will probably pick this up when I can dedicate some more time to it.

[Ice2Dragon]

Hows everyone enjoying it?

Im not liking it that much.. No idea why. It just doesnt seem to be as fun as 1/2 @_@

[fatbeer]

Just great! I flip through Doublejump guide a few times and as result a few pages fell off. Wtf? These guides are really frail even if you take excellent care of it. This isn't a one time thing, no, it's a consisting problem found in most Doublejump guides. The pages will become lose or fall off or you will see a vertical line within spine when you are creating a crease. The only exception seems is the smaller guides like Persona 3 or Mana Khemia that don't undergo this wear and tear.


It's spine is too weak to support all those pages in one small book. They should of made the guide much bigger, so it's spine can support it like what they did with Disgaea 1. I seen other big guides like Pokemon or Zelda have a far better spine support than this

[silent h3ro]

I can't seem to enjoy Disgaea like I can enjoy Final Fantasy Tactics. Anybody else feel the same?

[pete5883]

Starting today, Nippon Ichi Software is offering new downloadable content for its PlayStation 3 RPG Disgaea 3 in Japan. Based on the results of a public voting, fans can now dowload Makai Kingdom's Pram and Lord Zetta as well as Marjoly from Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure. The three characters can be downloaded for 200 yen ($1.89 USD) each.

A new patch making some minor adjustments to the game is also available for download.

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2008/1426.html

$2 a character seems steep.

[The Mana Knight]

OMG it looks like Disgaea 3 is getting a trophy patch:
http://www.ps3trophies.org/game/disgaea-3-absence-of-justice/trophies/

[zenprime]

Wow. I wonder how long till Freeky picks it up then.

[The Mana Knight]

Wow. I wonder how long till Freeky picks it up then.If freaky and others need the game cheap, I have a local retailer which sells it cheap (especially when they have a sale).

[dallow]

How much tmk? New?

[The Mana Knight]

How much tmk? New?It's $30 new, and if they have a 15% off, 20% off, or $5 coupon type sale, I could get it even less. I bought one person a copy before.

[tenchi]

I hope the trophies will be retroactive, cuz it's gonna suck to have to grind through all those levels and weapon levels again. :(

[dallow]

I'd like to get one when there's a sale next time TMK.

[bigl523]

What store is selling it new for $30?

[Inf^Shini]

Cool beans, I'm kinda glad I never went through it before. Aside from time, I held out hope that trophies would come along sooner or later.

[The Mana Knight]

What store is selling it new for $30?Only in the Midwest.

I have under 10 hours into the game. Sucks I have have to restart the character creation, but I could build back up to where I was in one weekend. Who knows, the trophies might just have objectives so you don't have to start all over.

Trophies will not be retroactive for sure, since you can use any datasave.

[silent h3ro]

Only in the Midwest.
Meijer? :D

[zenprime]

Damn you Meijer! I swore never to live any farther then 1 hr from the ocean or a connecting body of water and I'll stick to it. Come on out to the cost you lovely price people!

[dallow]

Credit to Dani.
Translated trophy list:

Gold

- Clear LoC Item World from floor 1 to 100 without exiting.
- During Reverse Pirating, collect all innocents, treasures, and level spheres on the map.
- Deal 10 billion damage.

Silver

- Find the Trophy Room in 90+ Item World.
- Defeat Prinny Pirates.
- Defeat Diez Gents Pirates.
- Defeat Ball Pirates.
- During Reverse Pirating, collect all innocents.

Bronze

- Clear Item World from floor 1 to 100 without exiting.
- There are 21 bronze trophies for defeating each pirate.
- In Item World's Tower room, speak with the Cat at the top.
- During Reverse Pirating, collect all treasures.
- Deal 100 million damage.
- Deal 1 million damage.
- Perform 9 counters in a row.
- Achieve 5 color chains with geopanels.
- Play for a 10 hours session.
- Defeat an unit in battle with a 10-hit combo.
- Perform 100 jumps.
- Defeat an unit in battle with a 10-unit tower attack.
- Find Akutare/Axel in the Item World.
- Pass a homeroom proposal by force.
- Achieve 255 turn stationary bonus.
- Capture an enemy.
- Perform 5 magichanges in battle.

[naes]

Anyone interested in creating a gamesharing group for all of the DLC (and all future DLC) for this game?

[Chibi_Kaji]

I'm not sure if Trophies will bring me back to the game... I've hit that point I get to in ever game of the series and don't feel like playing anymore. It's a shame since I'd love to unlock some of the other characters..

[Warner1281]

Any word on when the trophies come state side?

[coleipoo]

So how does everyone like the trophy patch? I myself just got the game so it will be a while before I can get them.

On a side note, I know this belongs in the gameshare thread, but it goes by so fast I want to ask it here: Any group/person have all D3 content available for gameshare? Let me know. We can start a group too.

[bjstucker]

I am interested in getting some of the DLC but probably will not stat the game for a couple months have about 3 games on hold to finish up my first run through of Infamous.