PS3 outsells 360 in US

[Crimson_Raven25]

via Computer and Video Games (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=168444)


PS3 outsold 360 last week in North America, following the $100 price-drop on the 60GB version.

According to stats collected on vgchartz.com, 41,005 PS3 consoles were sold in the week ending July 14, compared to 360's 35,084 sales.

Wii, meanwhile, still dominated the pack with 76,394 sales.

On Monday last week Sony cut the price of the 60GB PS3 down to $499 in the US, while confirming the release of an 80GB version in August.

The drop seems to have made an impression on sales, but will it last? Sony confirmed to CVG that the 60GB console will be phased out in favour of the $600, 80GB version after July. We'll see what happens then...

i guess score one for sony...for now =]

[whoknows]

Good news.

I'm guessing (like other people) that once the 60gb's are gone the 80gb version will drop to $499. That really would be th best thing Sony could do.

[botticus]

I don't really doubt the PS3 outsold the 360 last week/this month, but don't rely on VGChartz for numbers that fine, their sample size isn't good enough.

Won't know for sure till next month when the NPD numbers for July are out.

[NamPaehc]

Amazon ran out of stock, someone spin that as a bad thing please.

[Vinny]

Amazon ran out of stock, someone spin that as a bad thing please.

Amazon was tired of old stock and decided to do a buy 1, get 1 free deal on all PS3 systems.:lol:

Is it true that the 80GB version doesn't have the EE chip? I really don't wanna bother with software emulation.

[dallow]

I'll wait for NPD numbers but I'm sure PS3 finally outsold the 360.

The important questions is, will it last?

And Vinny, yeah, the 80GB versions won't have the EE when they come out.

[Apossum]

interesting. I would expect PS3 sales to rise and 360 sales to fall, since one dropped in price and the other is broken, but that probably won't be the case.

[Chacrana]

Good news.

I'm guessing (like other people) that once the 60gb's are gone the 80gb version will drop to $499. That really would be th best thing Sony could do.

Yeah, that's my guess as well. Sony's probably realized that that price drop was vital to the success of the system right now and if they haven't realized it, they will once they see the sales hitting continually higher numbers. They can't just release an 80gb at the stupid $600 price again and expect it to work, even with that worthless piece of shit, Motorstorm.

[sparklecopy]

That's it? I was expecting astronomical numbers like a half million units sold. And up only 6 thousand on the 360 is not a big whoop, especially when it's only 40k sold. Damn, why did I buy the PS3 on amazon? using this analysis, It's pretty much assured that the spike in sales isn't that large and Sony will have to do even more drastic pricecutting with bonuses in the coming months. I guess the amazon ps3 is going back and I'll wait til they either drop another 150 bucks which with Sony's freefall will happen. I remember the same thing happened to the gamecube. It was 199 in the first year then dropped to 149 and then 99 bucks the next year and with some nintendo promotions like a free game and free wavebird at circuit city which made me buy mine. Sony is in dire straits. They could not drop the price and be indignant about it like Sega did with it's saturn and suffer major losses like sega did or be like nintendo and survive til the next generation. my guess is that sony will definitely analyze the market and drop the price again. It's better to concede the price battles than lose the system war. I don't understand why there aren't any third party games materializing for the ps3. I would expect konami and capcom to have something by now. Jeez it's already 7 months and nada. I think the biggest killer to sony's dream is probably sony themselves. Sony's CRT Televisions were legendary for lasting forever and people still want to keep their CRT's that they paid big money for. I still have mine and the ps2 looks great on it. The ps2 also has a better lifespan and can probably last another 5 years. Sony should have waited til next year to debut the ps3 at 400 bucks. They are still making more money than anyone else on the ps2's themselves and games.

[depascal22]

Amazon ran out of stock, someone spin that as a bad thing please.

Amazon only had 20 systems in stock.....j/k. Please stop trying to pretend that everyone hates Sony. There are are a couple Sony haters but there are just as many fanboys to even things out.

[Zoglog]

well the thing is, this price drop probably had to be negotiated internally. Not everyone in Sony agrees that a price drop is the proper strategy, so what better way to test out the effects of the price drop than to test it on an outgoing model. Perhaps using this test and the bump in sales, the people internally who want the price dropped will get their way and then the 80GB will hit the 499.

[dallow]

That's it? I was expecting astronomical numbers like a half million units sold. And up only ten thousand on the 360 is not a big whoop, especially when it's only 40k sold. Damn, why did I buy the PS3 on amazon? using this analysis, It's pretty much assured that the spike in sales isn't that large and Sony will have to do even more drastic pricecutting with bonuses in the coming months. I guess the amazon ps3 is going back and I'll wait til they either drop another 150 bucks which with Sony's freefall will happen. I remember the same thing happened to the gamecube. It was 199 in the first year then dropped to 149 and then 99 bucks the next year and with some nintendo promotions like a free game and free wavebird at circuit city which made me buy mine. Sony is in dire straits. They could not drop the price and be indignant about it like Sega did with it's saturn and suffer major losses like sega did or be like nintendo and survive til the next generation. my guess is that sony will definitely analyze the market and drop the price again. It's better to concede the price battles than lose the system war. I don't understand why there aren't any third party games materializing for the ps3. I would expect konami and capcom to have something by now. Jeez it's already 7 months and nada.

Are you serious? :cold: :cold: :cold:
This was the past week....
I take it you don't normally follow hardware numbers and know what realistic numbers look like.

[omgu8myrice]

well the 360 has been out longer, and most people who want one have one. the ps3 is still trying to find its way into peoples homes.

[happy]

I was also surprised that PS3 didn't beat out 360 by more for the week. Considering amazon and CC both ended up out of stock (they probably started with huge stockpiles) I was expecting closer to Wii numbers. Either way, this is a good sign for the system that has the most appealing future game line-up for my interests.

Does anyone know where vgcharts gets its info. Considering that most PS3 sales last week probably came from CC/Amazon, having a small sample size that does not include either of those two could skew the numbers down a lot.

[dpatel]

Amazon only had 20 systems in stock.....j/k. Please stop trying to pretend that everyone hates Sony. There are are a couple Sony haters but there are just as many fanboys to even things out.

It's not so much the fanboys that bother me (they are everywhere, and for every system), but the media has definitely shown a bias against the PS3 (and with good reason, as it seems to garner attention).

[dpatel]

As for the news, while it is good the PS3 finally outsold the 360, it isn't as great as some make it out to be. This is definitely a result of the (limited) price drop, and, right now, Sony needs more than just a spike in sales. Then again, this is a pretty slow time for game sales, and, with the bigger releases still months away, I'm not surprised it still isn't that high.

If Sony is smart, they will drop the 80 to $499 and take out Motorstorm for the holiday season. We'll see how they handle this.

[Monsta Mack]

Good news for Sony. Hope it continues to the end (even as a avid Wii60 supporter the 360 really needs a price drop to).

[mykevermin]

one week? big deal. Sony has a major hill to climb, but the bright gaming forecast for the PS3, coupled with some of MS' woes, shows that they at least have a fighting chance of overcoming the bad press/gamer negativity that has plagued them since around the time the PSP was released.

[DarkNessBear]

That's it? I was expecting astronomical numbers like a half million units sold. And up only 6 thousand on the 360 is not a big whoop, especially when it's only 40k sold. Damn, why did I buy the PS3 on amazon? using this analysis, It's pretty much assured that the spike in sales isn't that large and Sony will have to do even more drastic pricecutting with bonuses in the coming months. I guess the amazon ps3 is going back and I'll wait til they either drop another 150 bucks which with Sony's freefall will happen. I remember the same thing happened to the gamecube. It was 199 in the first year then dropped to 149 and then 99 bucks the next year and with some nintendo promotions like a free game and free wavebird at circuit city which made me buy mine. Sony is in dire straits. They could not drop the price and be indignant about it like Sega did with it's saturn and suffer major losses like sega did or be like nintendo and survive til the next generation. my guess is that sony will definitely analyze the market and drop the price again. It's better to concede the price battles than lose the system war. I don't understand why there aren't any third party games materializing for the ps3. I would expect konami and capcom to have something by now. Jeez it's already 7 months and nada. I think the biggest killer to sony's dream is probably sony themselves. Sony's CRT Televisions were legendary for lasting forever and people still want to keep their CRT's that they paid big money for. I still have mine and the ps2 looks great on it. The ps2 also has a better lifespan and can probably last another 5 years. Sony should have waited til next year to debut the ps3 at 400 bucks. They are still making more money than anyone else on the ps2's themselves and games.

[ENTER] Button!

Umm, PS3 used to sell like 90k units A MONTH.

I think thats a pretty big leap.

And for the rest of your block of text said, "mhmm..."

[NamPaehc]

Amazon only had 20 systems in stock.....j/k. Please stop trying to pretend that everyone hates Sony. There are are a couple Sony haters but there are just as many fanboys to even things out.

Hah. I as making a joke.

[daroga]

I'm actually kinda surprised at how shallow the numbers are. Based on the general reaction just around CAG, I'd have expected the PS3 to have kicked the crap out of the 360 and the Wii in terms of sales based on stock availability and the clearance pricing.

Hopefully for Sony, this is just the start of gaining momentum and not a 1 shot deal.

[Vanigan]

Could very well be, the problem is they don't have the games to keep up the word of mouth to keep sales going.

I see Warhawk and Lair are both releasing in August, which could be a good thing. Warhawk for the multiplayer. Lair for the visuals and perhaps as a replacement for Warhawk's single-player.

[Thomas96]

No one in their right mind would buy a 360... I'm kicking myself for buying one.. they're not reliable products... I'd hate to get deeply involved in a game I can't put down, and then my 360 dies. I'm definitely sticking w/ the PS3. I would hope that Sony keeps something on the market for 499... people are responding well to that price... people love value, but sometimes value at 599, might be a little too much value.

[botticus]

I'm actually kinda surprised at how shallow the numbers are. Based on the general reaction just around CAG, I'd have expected the PS3 to have kicked the crap out of the 360 and the Wii in terms of sales based on stock availability and the clearance pricing.

Hopefully for Sony, this is just the start of gaining momentum and not a 1 shot deal.I have a feeling that the price drop/awesome deals sold more consoles to the hardcore audience that accepted a $500 price point, which means a big uproar on CAG and the like... but not a huge increase in the general populace.

If they manage to keep the $500 pricing (drop the 80GB as soon as the 60GB is sold out), then their average sales will increase, but not as high as the presumed spike this week/month will show.

[The Mana Knight]

Yeah, that's my guess as well. Sony's probably realized that that price drop was vital to the success of the system right now and if they haven't realized it, they will once they see the sales hitting continually higher numbers. They can't just release an 80gb at the stupid $600 price again and expect it to work, even with that worthless piece of shit, Motorstorm.What are you talking about, MotorStorm is one of the best next generation games. Oh course it lacks a few gameplay modes, but the racing is still fantastic and has some of the best music in a racing game.

[daroga]

I have a feeling that the price drop/awesome deals sold more consoles to the hardcore audience that accepted a $500 price point, which means a big uproar on CAG and the like... but not a huge increase in the general populace.

If they manage to keep the $500 pricing (drop the 80GB as soon as the 60GB is sold out), then their average sales will increase, but not as high as the presumed spike this week/month will show.I was actually surprised to see how many people were jumping all over the $100 "drop." Every once in a while I had to ask myself if everyone knew what website they were on and that the thing was still $500. But, I suppose some of the bundle deals and the movies made it worth it for some folks. It's just still way out of my "might consider it" range for now.

But, hopefully for Sony's consumer base this will calm down the rush of games either going elsewhere completely or becoming available on every platform, not just Sony's.

[NamPaehc]

I remember the time they announced the pricing, people were saying then that both SKU's should be $100 cheaper. So I'm not suprised it is being accepted as it is.

[The Mana Knight]

Also, I'll mention that these sales are only counting the first day or two, of the price drop (I believe). It will be much more interesting to see next week though. Also, the only ones who were 100% aware of the price drop were those who go online a lot and came across it. Many stores didn't advertise the drop until Sunday this week. Overall though, NPD July will be very interesting.
I remember the time they announced the pricing, people were saying then that both SKU's should be $100 cheaper. So I'm not suprised it is being accepted as it is.I was thinking the prices should have been the same as in Japan, 60GB for $500 and 20GB for $430 (the difference between the 20GB and 60GB is around $50). I think that pricing structure would have been more accepted and the sales between PS3 and 360 would have been pretty close.

[botticus]

I was actually surprised to see how many people were jumping all over the $100 "drop." Every once in a while I had to ask myself if everyone knew what website they were on and that the thing was still $500. But, I suppose some of the bundle deals and the movies made it worth it for some folks. It's just still way out of my "might consider it" range for now.

But, hopefully for Sony's consumer base this will calm down the rush of games either going elsewhere completely or becoming available on every platform, not just Sony's.People like me started to consider it because the deals could get it down to a point much nearer $400 minus the cost of a PS2... and you also have to consider the people on message boards are the only ones who care about the Emotion Engine removal.

[Serpentor]

No one in their right mind would buy a 360... I'm kicking myself for buying one.. they're not reliable products... I'd hate to get deeply involved in a game I can't put down, and then my 360 dies. I'm definitely sticking w/ the PS3. I would hope that Sony keeps something on the market for 499... people are responding well to that price... people love value, but sometimes value at 599, might be a little too much value.
This is the reason why i haven't got a X360 yet... i like the library, but not the console's reliability. i don't you can get it fixed for free, but why should i?

[Thomas96]

This is the reason why i haven't got a X360 yet... i like the library, but not the console's reliability. i don't you can get it fixed for free, but why should i?


I bought my 360 before a lot of its problems were known. But what upsets me most is that people report that MS has poor customer services. Now that I have the xbox I'll be using it for exclusive games only. MS extended their warranty so I don't think you have to pay to get it fixed but its just the hassle and the wait for your new refurbished system that dreadful.

[Crimson_Raven25]

yeah it takes a few monthes to get it, if they do it for free it could take up to
3-4 months to get it back but most of the times when u pay u get it sooner then that, but i sold my 360 cuz i couldnt deal with the coustermer service
every time i called them ab my xbox live acount they would be like
qué yo me puse entiendo, n o really i could never under stand them they speak to low and they gave me the wrong number to call bungie ab halo2, instead it was activison number >.<.....ither there retareded or just hate me

[Apossum]

yeah it takes a few monthes to get it, if they do it for free it could take up to
3-4 months to get it back but most of the times when u pay u get it sooner then that, but i sold my 360 cuz i couldnt deal with the coustermer service
every time i called them ab my xbox live acount they would be like
qué yo me puse entiendo, n o really i could never under stand them they speak to low and they gave me the wrong number to call bungie ab halo2, instead it was activison number >.<.....ither there retareded or just hate me


what? I don't even know where to begin. :lol:

i'll just say it does not take 4 months to get your system back

[Crimson_Raven25]

but thats how long it toke to get my xbox back =[ i sent it in early november and got it back in the end of january =[....micrsoft hates me i guess >.<

[munch]

but thats how long it toke to get my xbox back =[ i sent it in early november and got it back in the end of january =[....micrsoft hates me i guess >.<

I don't belive you.

[Crimson_Raven25]

i dont really care if u dont belive me im just saying thats when i got my xbox back. besides all u e ver do is complain ab my post u really dont have anything to say ab the main topic then just dont post dude can choose weather or not to bilve me i dont care but if ur just gonn a bug me ab my postes all the time and dont post anything ab the main topic then go dont post i hate flaming wars and i know after i post this sum1 is gonna say "hey stop being a hipocrite ur provoking them" or sum wise ass is gonna say sumthing els.

back on topic though, yes it did take me that long to get my xbox back idk y maybe becuz it was holidays but it toke me tha t long to get it back

[mogamer]

Ha, even with a price cut the Wii outsold the X360 and PS3 COMBINED! Come on guys this is Cheap Ass Gamer. Does anyone here really feel that a $500 console is a deal? The only reason I have a X360 right now is because I got the $100 rebate from Micro Center last November and paid $300 for my premium model. I'll pick up a PS3 when they reach $300. Remember the secret for being a Cheap Ass is patience.

[Crimson_Raven25]

Ha, even with a price cut the Wii outsold the X360 and PS3 COMBINED! Come on guys this is Cheap Ass Gamer. Does anyone here really feel that a $500 console is a deal? The only reason I have a X360 right now is because I got the $100 rebate from Micro Center last November and paid $300 for my premium model. I'll pick up a PS3 when they reach $300. Remember the secret for being a Cheap Ass is patience.

true that but its hard for me to see a new system that is out and wait till the price drop cuz ill miss out on sume kick ass things, 300$ is gonaa be in a few years and its imposible for me to wait but to me 500$ and 5 blu-ray movies is a good deal cuz after that they'll go for 40-60 on ebay =] so lets say i sold all the blu-ray movies for 60 each and if they do sell for that much i can get 300$ from each of them so it like spending 200$ on ps3

[mogamer]

true that but its hard for me to see a new system that is out and wait till the price drop cuz ill miss out on sume kick ass things, 300$ is gonaa be in a few years and its imposible for me to wait but to me 500$ and 5 blu-ray movies is a good deal cuz after that they'll go for 40-60 on ebay =] so lets say i sold all the blu-ray movies for 60 each and if they do sell for that much i can get 300$ from each of them so it like spending 200$ on ps3

I fully understand where you're coming from. I have nothing against people who are early adaptors of new formats. Early adaptors help bring prices down for people like me. And re-selling those movies does bring the price down quite a bit. But I'm thinking that a $300 PS3 is coming sooner than most people think. I'm thinking that the low price of the Wii will keep it's sales high. Sony and MS will feel pressured to do something or Nintendo will win this gen. Oh well, I know it's a gamble. But it's one I'm willing to take.

[Serpentor]

i disagree with the part that being a CAG have to have patience...

look, if you wait, everything will be cheaper, no doubt about that... A smart CAG is one who's able to purchase a good deal w/o the waiting. Everything else is just an ordinary CAG.

So waiting for two years for the console to drop $200, is that a smart move? Or you get it now with some coupons here and there for $100 cheaper, which is more deal?

[Noodle Pirate!]

i dont really care if u dont belive me im just saying thats when i got my xbox back. besides all u e ver do is complain ab my post u really dont have anything to say ab the main topic then just dont post dude can choose weather or not to bilve me i dont care but if ur just gonn a bug me ab my postes all the time and dont post anything ab the main topic then go dont post i hate flaming wars and i know after i post this sum1 is gonna say "hey stop being a hipocrite ur provoking them" or sum wise ass is gonna say sumthing els.

back on topic though, yes it did take me that long to get my xbox back idk y maybe becuz it was holidays but it toke me tha t long to get it back

Why does everyone who joins lately sound just like that banned pepsi kid? Are you guys all like in the same class at the same school teaching the same horrible english?

[mogamer]

i disagree with the part that being a CAG have to have patience...

look, if you wait, everything will be cheaper, no doubt about that... A smart CAG is one who's able to purchase a good deal w/o the waiting. Everything else is just an ordinary CAG.

So waiting for two years for the console to drop $200, is that a smart move? Or you get it now with some coupons here and there for $100 cheaper, which is more deal?

It's true that there are limits to waiting, but I already have a "next-gen" console. And I picked it up cheap too! There are plenty of X360 games to keep me busy, so I can wait for a price drop on the PS3. Besides, there is no way to know if you're going to get $100 for those Blu-Ray discs. I would imagine the market will get flooded with these free movies pretty soon.

[ryanbph]

good news they outsold the 360, bad news that it still wasn't all that much...I would think they would want around 250k a month....with msft current fall schedule, I highly doubt that the ps3 will make up much ground in the marketshare.

[zewone]

Is it true that the 80GB version doesn't have the EE chip? I really don't wanna bother with software emulation.
It's true.

[mwynn]

good news they outsold the 360, bad news that it still wasn't all that much...I would think they would want around 250k a month....with msft current fall schedule, I highly doubt that the ps3 will make up much ground in the marketshare.
It says the sales were for 1 week.

[sying]

Why does everyone who joins lately sound just like that banned pepsi kid? Are you guys all like in the same class at the same school teaching the same horrible english?

LOL I was going to say the same thing. His english hurts my head... good lord his writing is attrocious!!

[itachiitachi]

What? ps3 out sells 360, OH NO SONY IS DOOMED!!!!

[whoknows]

That's right.

This is the last nail in the PS3's coffin.

[ItsTrueItsTrue92]

I sent in for a box for my broken Xbox 360 on July 3rd. I still haven't gotten it. Now, that's just step one. Right now I'm just saving up to get a PS3.

[Crimson_Raven25]

Why does everyone who joins lately sound just like that banned pepsi kid? Are you guys all like in the same class at the same school teaching the same horrible english?

no i dont even know who pepsi kid is besides i have a bad speech problame and learning disablty srry

[Serpentor]

It's true that there are limits to waiting, but I already have a "next-gen" console. And I picked it up cheap too! There are plenty of X360 games to keep me busy, so I can wait for a price drop on the PS3. Besides, there is no way to know if you're going to get $100 for those Blu-Ray discs. I would imagine the market will get flooded with these free movies pretty soon.

The $100 i was referring to has nothing to do with diffusing the $500 PS3 by selling the BDs... The $100 is the temporary price drop... and perhaps smaller savings from here and there (% cash back from CC etc...)

Oh another thing... i realized that some times CAGs need to do some "work" (like trad-in games, PM etc.) to obtain deals. While those CAGs do get some pretty awesome deals after the "work" but in reality, the extra efforts cost them a lot more in terms of opportunity cost.

[Serpentor]

mogamer, i'm not putting a RROD curse on you or anything, but take care of your X360 ;)

dude, you know your stuffs (CAG), so cheers :)

[ryanbph]

It says the sales were for 1 week.

well 4 x 40k is roughly 160k...I would think they would want more then what the 360 has been getting for the last couple of months...maybe I am wrong, maybe Sony is happy to be on pace for roughly 160k units a month, but I would think they need at least 250k a month to start to make a dent in the market share

[Ikohn4ever]

ehh any time you have a price drop the sales will go up greatly at the beginning. Give it a few weeks before to see if it levels out, then people can start going bananas

[io]

Oh another thing... i realized that some times CAGs need to do some "work" (like trad-in games, PM etc.) to obtain deals. While those CAGs do get some pretty awesome deals after the "work" but in reality, the extra efforts cost them a lot more in terms of opportunity cost.

Wrong, that is not reality. Various trade-in deals have gotten me tons of newer games and systems I would otherwise not have gotten (like my Elite) and cost me absolutely nothing in "opportunity cost" however you might define that. Perhaps the only thing I've lost is some extra gaming or TV time, and that is pretty much worthless ;).

Having said that, I have enough credit to get a PS3 and I'm still going to wait for a further drop, better bundle, or a redesign (like a slim). I just have too many games to play on the other systems right now - they'd all just be competing with each other that much more :lol:.

[Thomas96]

Wrong, that is not reality. Various trade-in deals have gotten me tons of newer games and systems I would otherwise not have gotten (like my Elite) and cost me absolutely nothing in "opportunity cost" however you might define that. Perhaps the only thing I've lost is some extra gaming or TV time, and that is pretty much worthless ;).

Having said that, I have enough credit to get a PS3 and I'm still going to wait for a further drop, better bundle, or a redesign (like a slim). I just have too many games to play on the other systems right now - they'd all just be competing with each other that much more :lol:.


I always felt like when you trade in games for other games, the true worth (not the worth that eb/gs place on the item) - the price you initially pay for the products end up totallying probably 3 times as much as the item that you're getting in return. Most of the times when I try to trade in games, it ends up being cheaper to keep em'

[io]

I always felt like when you trade in games for other games, the true worth (not the worth that eb/gs place on the item) - the price you initially pay for the products end up totallying probably 3 times as much as the item that you're getting in return. Most of the times when I try to trade in games, it ends up being cheaper to keep em'

Ah, but I'm not talking trading games that I bought for full price - I'm talking about "working" deals like Serpentor mentions ;). Yes, if you trade in a $50 game for $8 then that must be factored in. I always factor in the initial cost - that's why I trade in $8 games for $25 (for example). Listen to the last CAG Foreplay - Ship has it down (buys a game for $13.49 from GC, beats it, trades it in for $28.50 at GR).

[munch]

no i dont even know who pepsi kid is besides i have a bad speech problame and learning disablty srry

So a speech problem inhibits your ability to type?

[Crimson_Raven25]

So a speech problem inhibits your ability to type? i also ha ve a learning disablty so i cant type well :roll:
do u really have t o b ug me ev every time i post?

[zman73]

Why does everyone who joins lately sound just like that banned pepsi kid? Are you guys all like in the same class at the same school teaching the same horrible english?

The internet is making so many kids today even dumber... maybe that movie Idiocracy will end up coming true...

90% don't know the difference betweenthe words: there, their, and they're.

Most, like the post you reference, are gigantic run on sentences.

[getmyrunon]

Perhaps the only thing I've lost is some extra gaming or TV time, and that is pretty much worthless ;).

True, and for some people the thrill of the hunt (or the flip), is almost as entertaining as playing the game itself. I feel a certain sense of pride when I look at the games on my shelf and know that I paid vastly below MSRP for all of them, even though I could easily afford to purchase them at full price. There's something about the delayed gratification of finally finding the game you wanted at a low price that gives me a sense of genuine satisfaction. Yes, I am aware that this makes me a loser but I've embraced it.

[help1]

well the 360 has been out longer, and most people who want one have one. the ps3 is still trying to find its way into peoples homes.

Exactly.

[mwynn]

well 4 x 40k is roughly 160k...I would think they would want more then what the 360 has been getting for the last couple of months...maybe I am wrong, maybe Sony is happy to be on pace for roughly 160k units a month, but I would think they need at least 250k a month to start to make a dent in the market share
There was no quote from a Sony rep in that link.

[ryanbph]

dude I was just making a fucking point that yes, it is great that it is selling a lot better then it has been, but I would imagine they want to sell more...no where in my post did I claim sony said something...I said I would think sony would want to sell more then 40k a week

[dpatel]

Of course they would want to, but, given the current price, sales of all three consoles, and lack of software, 40K is a pretty decent amount. But, if this is just a spike in sales, and not a trend, then Sony will need much more to convince consumers.

[Vanigan]

Has anyone released new numbers now that it's been two weeks?

[armyjon99]

If they kept the 20gb and lowered the price they could of had a huge boom in sales due to a cheap blu-ray player. But they would take a X amount per unit loss more than before.

[-Never4ever-]

One week, M$ sure is finished~!!

M$ IS T3H D00MED!!!!11!!1.

/Sony Fanboy

The price dropped, of course the # of consoles would increase. Hell, I will be surprised if the PS3 doesn't outsell the 360 for the next two months (untill Halo 3). If it can't mange to outsell it for 8 weeks straight, then there will be cause for alarm.

[Vanigan]

Ugh, you just hurt your own good argument by prefacing it with more name calling.

And no one is saying that 360 is doomed, in fact I want both systems to succeed and constantly compete with one another to get better features, games, and prices.

What they are saying is that Sony, with the price drop, has gained back some ground from it's bad launch with the high price point. How much ground it gets back remains to be seen. This year is obviously the 360's, however Heavenly Sword will also push sales. Halo 3 is great and all, but it's still an FPS, and as we've seen with the PS2, there's quite a market out there for games that aren't FPS, a genre the PS2 wasn't known for.

[VipFREAK]

I think it's funny how it's just now picking up since they killed the 60gb version and there won't be anymore "cheap" PS3s. I'm even happier about when I got mine because it was so cheap. It's gonna get harder and harder to find them at $400 now. lol

[whoknows]

Exactly.
Not really.

The PS2 was outselling the 360 awhile ago, and everyone knows for sure more people had PS2's then over the amount of people that have 360's now.

EDIT: looks like I was wrong, PS2 is STILL outselling the 360 according to the June NPD numbers.

[thehoo]

true that but its hard for me to see a new system that is out and wait till the price drop cuz ill miss out on sume kick ass things, 300$ is gonaa be in a few years and its imposible for me to wait but to me 500$ and 5 blu-ray movies is a good deal cuz after that they'll go for 40-60 on ebay =] so lets say i sold all the blu-ray movies for 60 each and if they do sell for that much i can get 300$ from each of them so it like spending 200$ on ps3
No way in hell you sell all those blu rays for $60 each. With many ps3 purchasers doing the same thing you're doing, $60 total for the blu rays is more accurate.

[-Never4ever-]

Ugh, you just hurt your own good argument by prefacing it with more name calling.

Sorry about that, I'll refrain from calling myself names.


And no one is saying that 360 is doomed, in fact I want both systems to succeed and constantly compete with one another to get better features, games, and prices.


Glad to see we both want the same thing. The problem is that I don't let my want distort the truth of the matter, unlike seemingly everyone on this board (at the every least, everyone who prefers Sony).

Things aren't looking all that great and this one week boast in sales is like scoring a touchdown in Football, but still being 35 points in the hole.


What they are saying is that Sony, with the price drop, has gained back some ground from it's bad launch with the high price point. How much ground it gets back remains to be seen. This year is obviously the 360's, however Heavenly Sword will also push sales. Halo 3 is great and all, but it's still an FPS, and as we've seen with the PS2, there's quite a market out there for games that aren't FPS, a genre the PS2 wasn't known for.

Your, or anyone else's, opinion of Halo 3 aside, it will push 360s. More than any other game or reason, Halo 3 will be why M$ "wins" the upcoming holiday / year.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Your, or anyone else's, opinion of Halo 3 aside, it will push 360s. More than any other game or reason, Halo 3 will be why M$ "wins" the upcoming holiday / year.

Except that Halo 3 has been moving 360's since day 1. The sales gap with Nintendo is nearly 2 to 1, and thats not even with much system selling software.

I fully expect them to be outsold each and every month this year.

[-Never4ever-]

Except that Halo 3 has been moving 360's since day 1. The sales gap with Nintendo is nearly 2 to 1, and thats not even with much system selling software.

I fully expect them to be outsold each and every month this year.

Yes, it's had a slight effect on 360s, much like how people rush(ed) out to buy a PS3 for FF13 or MGS4.

[dpatel]

Glad to see we both want the same thing. The problem is that I don't let my want distort the truth of the matter, unlike seemingly everyone on this board (at the every least, everyone who prefers Sony).

Everyone? Who exactly are you talking about? I'm not seeing too many '360 is doomed' posts, maybe I'm just blind.

[Mechafenris]

I don't think the 360's doomed. I wouldn't _want_ it to be doomed. Competition is _good_. I am all for them slugging it out... that means better games and less complacency.

A clear winner means shovelware, shoddy updates, and no good prices....

We, as CAGs, are in it for the cheap. ;) heh.

[Ivanhoe]

Well compared to the 479 elite the 499 60 gig ps3 is an awesome deal.

However if they would of just kept the 20gig and dropped it to 399 sales would be up a hell of a lot more and for a longer period.

I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that this sales increase will die off in the near future.


And if they think they can keep selling systems with only a 80gig system at 599 sony is in for a rude awakening.
They will need to drop the 80gig to 499 as soon as all the 60gigs are sold.

Plain and simple 500 is too much for a game console sony is paying for it everyday with slow sales of a "next gen" system which should be flying off the shelfs like the wii is.
Oh well . Sony will probably learn but will lose a lot of market share this time around.

[FriskyTanuki]

Well compared to the 479 elite the 499 60 gig ps3 is an awesome deal.

However if they would of just kept the 20gig and dropped it to 399 sales would be up a hell of a lot more and for a longer period.

I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement that this sales increase will die off in the near future.
They stopped production of the 20GBs in the US several months ago, so there's no need to drop that price because you're most likely not going to find one anywhere.

[elwood731]

They stopped production of the 20GBs in the US several months ago, so there's no need to drop that price because you're most likely not going to find one anywhere.
He did note, "if they would have kept it." And he's right, if Sony had kept the 20gb version and then dropped it and the 60gb to $400 and $500 respectively, they would be doing much better. They would at least have one model matching the XBOX 360 in price, then. The PS3 is still just too pricey for most people. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we see another price drop by Christmas to help move systems. They're going to have to do something. Simply packing in a game isn't enough, because MS did that last year and likely will again this year. Sony needs a big offensive. Let MS slash the price of the 360 to compete, since they're already bleeding money from the red rings settlement. I know Sony is losing money too, but they'll lose a lot more if they expect to compete against one $200 cheaper system, and one $350 cheaper.

[Masterkyo]

Only Wii is making $$$$ now. Sony will die after MS drop price XBOX 360 down $360 whenever the .65nm chip release later this year.

[Vanigan]

I have a feeling SCE (Sony Computer Entertainment division) had to introduce the $600 model as a way to appease Sony Corporate execs since Sony Corporate is getting pressure from DVD player manufacturers about competition from the PS3.

Also the 20gb version was losing a lot more money since they couldn't find enough things to remove.

I suspect that to get to the vaunted $400 mark they'll have to use the latest model hardware (which is the 80gb version) that has the EE removed, strip out the wireless and card reader, and then instead of a hard drive give people about two to four GB of flash memory instead of a hard drive. Hard drives have a price floor, meaning no matter the cost of how much space is in there, there's still the basic manufacturing and materials costs. That's why these days, a smaller hard drive doesn't as little as you'd think it would.

By replacing it with built in flash memory, they still have some space to hold updates and small games, but the flash memory itself is cheap and plentiful (unlike SATA 2.5 inch hard drives) so they remove that cost.

[Mechafenris]

Only Wii is making $$$$ now. Sony will die after MS drop price XBOX 360 down $360 whenever the .65nm chip release later this year.

Not before all the 360's die from their congenital defect. :D

It's funny... laugh.
:lol:

:booty::booty::booty:

[shnizzle66]

Being a 360 owner, this news doesn't surprise.



This damn thing doesn't even run the games!