Best deal on a 1080P LCD 40" or bigger? [Mobile/Archive]

the3rdkey

07-27-2007, 04:38 PM

Anyone have any good deals or know a TV that rox my sox?

Update:

I broke down and bought a projection:

http://www.abcwarehouse.com/product_images/24960_large.jpg

It was the best deal I could find on 1080P.

10000:1 contrast ratio
WEGA digital video proces.
0.61" sxrd panel 1920x1080
Replaceable 120w uhp lamp
2-hdmi 1080p input capable
Cinema black pro
Bbe/srs trusurround xt
Dolby digital technology

It twas $1000 big ones.

Shadowrun and Dirt look sweet in 50" and Tekken 5 on the PS3 looks like god in 1080P.

=)

xmrblondex

07-27-2007, 05:00 PM

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HKLIVI/sr/ref=pd_cp_etk_ce_av__0/105-9075330-5752422?ie=UTF8&qid=1185566011&sr=1-55&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_r=12SV28BM8Y2FHNJ8ASFP&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=250314601&pf_rd_i=B000NVBIM0
saw this on amazon today

Punk_Raven

07-27-2007, 05:01 PM

Woah, somehow this Sharp 42 inch 1080p Television (http://www.amazon.com/Sharp-Aquos-LC42D62U-1080p-HDTV/dp/B000HKLIVI/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-5204568-5218218?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1185566371&sr=1-1) shot down to 1000 dollars! I would definately check this out! And to think, I was just about to give you a link to a westinghouse that had PS3 "handshake " issues and surround sound issues. I'd jump on it if i had the cash!

*exclaimation point*

Damn u. Right as i was writing that.

This is such a good deal i think it might deserve it's own thread.

the3rdkey

07-27-2007, 05:12 PM

Punk_Raven

07-27-2007, 05:26 PM

OmG . OmG. 56 inches of 1080p! Plus it's a reliable brand ( Samsung ) and that cheap? Are HDTVs really getting this cheap?

whoknows

07-27-2007, 05:29 PM

Punk_Raven

07-27-2007, 05:35 PM

Do you have the reciept? :(

I know I would...

But if you like the TV then you shouldn't go through all of the troubles of retur----

do it.

whoknows

07-27-2007, 05:36 PM

Do you have the reciept? :(

I know I would...
I do...and it's a really nice TV...but idk.

Part of the reason I got it was the no interest for 18 months thing...Amazon doesn't have anything like that, do they?

Punk_Raven

07-27-2007, 05:39 PM

Umm...I'm not sure. But most likely not.

whoknows

07-27-2007, 05:46 PM

I'll probably just keep it then...it's a nice TV. I'd just rather get something...bigger.

ispeshaled

07-27-2007, 06:34 PM

Should I feel bad for buying this a couple weeks ago with how cheap they are getting?

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Samsung-32-LCD-HDTV-LN-T3242H/sem/rpsm/oid/173636/catOid/-12867/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

I bought this same TV from Circuit City last week. It was an open box item so I got it for $799 before tax.

Have you experienced any screen tear issues with yours? I've noticed occasional tearing on the lower part of the screen when watching dvds/playing games through my XBOX 360. I've read somewhere that some Samsungs have a problem with this.

Anyways, mine is going to go back to the store this weekend. It's a really nice TV but the tearing bothers me quite a bit, considering I just bought it a week ago.

I'm also in the market for a 40" 1080p unit now.

whoknows

07-27-2007, 06:36 PM

I bought this same TV from Circuit City last week. It was an open box item so I got it for $799 before tax.

Have you experienced any screen tear issues with yours? I've noticed occasional tearing on the lower part of the screen when watching dvds/playing games through my XBOX 360. I've read somewhere that some Samsungs have a problem with this.

Anyways, mine is going to go back to the store this weekend. It's a really nice TV but the tearing bothers me quite a bit, considering I just bought it a week ago.

I'm also in the market for a 40" 1080p unit now.
I haven't noticed anything. Maybe someone returned it for that problem and they just decided to sell it as open box?

Mine has been working perfectly so far.

Wlogan31

07-27-2007, 06:48 PM

GBmanNC

07-27-2007, 07:02 PM

The sharp is showing up as 1550 for me on amazon. Some sharp panels are reported to have problems like banding. That samsung is a nice tv but its a dlp, not flat panel, which has its own problems. Like needing replacement of the lamp every now and than. The samsung 65 series is probably one of the best lcds out now and are currenty the best selling tvs on amazon. http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-LNT4065F-1080p-LCD-HDTV/dp/B000OE02G4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-6446813-2586221?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1185573701&sr=1-1
The new sumsungs are coming out in a month or so (71 81 series) so these should hopefully drop even more in price. The contrast ratio of the 81 series is gonna be 100,000:1!

mtxbass1

07-27-2007, 07:10 PM

are you shitting me? what is this TVs DEAL?!!!

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-HLS-5679W-Engine-1080p-HDTV/dp/B000F2P32S/ref=pd_bbs_sr_11/104-8842381-5561515?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1185567107&sr=8-11

It's not truely flat, and it's a DLP. That should be enough reason for most to stay away.

Punk_Raven

07-27-2007, 10:14 PM

1080P is good. You could look the panel up yourself to see on avsforum.com/

Oh, and there's tearing in some games because they don't add this feature ( forgot what it's called ) to the game that stops tearing. They do this as a measure to get the frame rate up. It really has nothing to do with your TV. Gears of War is an example.

freshzen

07-27-2007, 10:35 PM

What is wrong with DLP? That 56" looks awfully nice but I don't know anything about HDs. I guess that TV is 2 years old now! The Sharp Aquos isn't much better at 1.5 years either though....

Punk_Raven

07-27-2007, 10:55 PM

DLPs are bigger and that particular one only has 20,000 hours of bulb life. You'll have to put enother bulb in it rather quickly. LCDs have the same problem, but they usually have 50-60,000 hours of life. If anyone here knows, what do you do when your LCD bulb runs out? Is that just it or can you get it fixed?

iowaholdem

07-27-2007, 11:01 PM

What is wrong with DLP? That 56" looks awfully nice but I don't know anything about HDs. I guess that TV is 2 years old now! The Sharp Aquos isn't much better at 1.5 years either though....

The difference is size. That DLP tv is 15" deep. A typical flat panel tv - like the Sharp Aquos - is only a few inches deep.

Limegreen

07-27-2007, 11:10 PM

I own that aquos 42d62u bought it for $1499.99 3 weeks ago on sale, it's a 2000 dollar tv so if you can get it for just 1000 WOW i highly recommend you do. http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/2275/s5030310lm6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot with Digimax A503 / Kenox D503 (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=Digimax+A503+%2F+Kenox+D503&make=Samsung+Techwin+co.%2C+Ltd) at 2007-07-27

angsto2

07-27-2007, 11:44 PM

The LED DLP bulbs are user replaceable and will probably run about $250. But 20,000 hours would equal about 8 hours of use everyday for 7 years. The older DLP TVs have bulbs that last about 8,000 hours. When the bulb starts to fade you replace it and it should theoretically be good as new.

The backlighting on LCD tvs is not user replaceable but should last the life of the tv. 20 years at 8 hours a day.

DLPs are bigger and that particular one only has 20,000 hours of bulb life. You'll have to put enother bulb in it rather quickly. LCDs have the same problem, but they usually have 50-60,000 hours of life. If anyone here knows, what do you do when your LCD bulb runs out? Is that just it or can you get it fixed?

jousley

07-27-2007, 11:49 PM

I second Limegreen. I have had a Sharp Aquos for about 2 years now and I tell you, I have never once regretted it. Pictures dont get sharper or more detailed. Thats a steal for that TV

BIG5

07-28-2007, 12:16 AM

Wow, that Sharp Aquos is exactly the one I've been looking at. Alas, even at $1000, I can't afford it, but my brother is in the market.

Admiral Ackbar

07-28-2007, 12:50 AM

I have the Philips 42PFL7422 and it's awesome. Has one of the best pictured of any Tv in its price range on the market. $1,400 at costco with three year warranty and 90 day return policy. Also, it has easy firmware upgrades, and oe of the Philips reps have been investigating problems over at AVS forum. it's pretty sweet.

freshzen

07-28-2007, 01:20 AM

Yeah I think I might shoot for the Aquos...I'll just have to wait and hope this is still available in 7 days, damn rent lol.

Punk_Raven

07-28-2007, 04:04 AM

I hope that TV is around in like 2 years and 500-800 dollars at that point.

Collectordragon

07-28-2007, 04:10 AM

Collectordragon

07-28-2007, 04:13 AM

Do DLPs use more electricity than LCDs?

Punk_Raven

07-28-2007, 04:40 AM

112lb. I think, and I just realized that it doesn't actually have a 1080p resolution, it upconverts to 1080p. :(

mrx1

07-28-2007, 05:42 AM

does the sharp include a built in hdtuner?**Nevermind. The tv is not sold by amazon.

chrisnsally

07-28-2007, 08:00 AM

AVSforum is a great resource, so always check there first. That said, DLPs are known to have a 'lag' that some gamers complain about. Info is available out there, I don't remember where I read it.

I pulled the trigger last week on the Samsung 46" LNT-4661F for 2k from Amazon. It sells for $2600+ at BB and CC (plus shipping, plus tax) - but most online retailers sell for about 2k. It's gotten fantastic reviews, has HDMI 1.3, a PC input (for the 360's VGA cable) and 10,000 brightness.

Please keep in mind any TV you buy should be recalibrated (use Digitial Video Essentials DVD or Avia or something similar) because they're never set up correctly for out-of-the-box viewing. Again, you can learn more about this at AVS forum. Generally, folks have already done the work for you, and you can plug their numbers into your TV and get a BIG improvement.

Punk_Raven

07-28-2007, 12:12 PM

The TV is already back to 1600....wow.

yayece

07-28-2007, 12:57 PM

I'm looking into getting an HDTV in the near future as well... I don't mean to hijack the thread, but is lag still a concern with these things, or have they gotten better? As gamers, this should probably be concern #1.

Some pages on "hdtv lag" for those who don't know:
http://hdtvlag.googlepages.com/home
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=558125&page=1&pp=30

Punk_Raven

07-28-2007, 01:45 PM

That sucks. I feel a bit turned off to HDTVs now.

And you can get a (box) to help you wit h the problem but it only costs 300 dollars.

Balls. I think I'll just keep an SDTV around. Shit.

freshzen

07-28-2007, 05:17 PM

The TV is already back to 1600....wow.
Its at $1499.99 now (unless you're looking at the 56")...through a different seller. I was looking at it last night and it said they only had 2 left in stock through Learning Planet @ $1K.

I actually ended up ordering one after I realized I can use my paycheck next Friday to pay rent since my new landlord is cool, I get until the 5th to pay.

chrisnsally

07-28-2007, 05:38 PM

If you're pushing an HD signal onto an HD set - and you're not looking at a DLP TV, lag should not be a problem...don't discount HDTVs because of that!!!

Punk_Raven

07-28-2007, 05:41 PM

Nice, enjoy your new TV.

Here's (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=733575&highlight=LC42D62) an entire thread on the avs forums ( if you haven't seen it yet ) on that model and other models in that series. You could be able to find information on good display settings in the thread but i haven't searched through it completely so I'm not sure.

freshzen

07-28-2007, 07:45 PM

Faukkkk!!!!! They canned my order :(

I'm very bummed about this. I guess I will keep my eye out and keep saving up money.

Anybody got any impressions on this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824112180?

42" / 1920 x 1080 res. / 8ms response / 1000:1 contrast / 550 cd/m2 brightness

$1099 + $99 ship - $99 rebate = $1,099.99 shipped for the Sceptre.

Here (http://www.sceptre.com/Products/LCD/Specifications/spec_X42GV-Naga.htm) is the official product page.

Do you guys think the Sceptre brand tv will have much worse quality than the Aquos? Another thing I just realized is this Sceptre model only has 1 HDMI hook up from the looks of things which means I can only have PS3 and not 360 Elite :(

chrisnsally

07-28-2007, 08:22 PM

Sharp Aquos is one of the highest rated TVs out there (generally speaking). Sceptre is....umm....not.

Punk_Raven

07-28-2007, 09:12 PM

That's what's so pressing about it. One of the top brands on the market, for a day, was a good amount less then all of the other inferior brands. Sucks that your order got canned. I'd just want until something else comes up.

freshzen

07-28-2007, 11:02 PM

Well I looked at a Sceptre Komodo B&M today at MicroCenter. Its only 720p and not even an impressive one. They didn't carry the Naga which is the 1080p model.

Went around to Sears, Kmart, and Target too....disappointment all around definitely will be ordering a tv.

angsto2

07-28-2007, 11:15 PM

I took a chance and ordered the 1080p Sharp LCD even though it was not sold by Amazon.com (figured Amazon marketplace would have me covered).
Weird thing: my credit card wouldn't put it through without further authorization. So I e-mailed the seller (Teaching Planet) and got this reply from a gmail account:
"hello,
i am selling tv's on amazon since 1998.you should have contacted me before order.you will receive a refund because i can not use the usual credit card payment , due the fact i can not receive international funds to credit card.
thanks"

HUH??? Teaching Planet could use some teachers.
International funds??? Their profile says they're in CT.
About Teaching Planet
Teaching Planet is the web-based version of our Teacher-Parent Store in Danbury, CT. We offer over 30,000 different Teacher and Parent Materials for teachers, home-schoolers and parents. Teaching Planet is a family-owned operation that has been serving teachers and parents alike since 1997.

It looks like someone jacked their account.

So I have to thank my credit card company for getting me out of this deal.

Should have known it was too good to be true.

freshzen

07-29-2007, 12:13 AM

I thought it was strange after reading TPs feedback.

Amazon customer service said it my card was not charged after order got canceled. Its still showing up as pending, if that goes through I'm going to be one of those people that keeps a teller busy for 45 minutes at the bank :(

freshzen

07-29-2007, 01:15 AM

Magnavox 42MF437B for $1060 shipped @ Costco.com

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11213783

I know still not a great tv but its an option.

Punk_Raven

07-29-2007, 02:15 AM

I feel terrible for linking that...sowwy. :(

freshzen

07-29-2007, 02:52 AM

I feel terrible for linking that...sowwy. :(

I'm a little tempted to save up the money and buy the same tv for $1499 though. I wish I could see the 1080p Sceptre Naga in person...

I might even settle for a 37" if I can get the right quality at the right price.

chrisnsally

07-29-2007, 01:45 PM

42" Panasonic 1080p for $1499 from Frys...pretty nice deal:

http://shop3.outpost.com/product/5290327

jlarlee

07-29-2007, 02:06 PM

also to jump on the DLP hating bandwagon. Anything that is not HD content looks absolutely horrible on the sets.

freshzen

07-29-2007, 04:54 PM

42" Panasonic 1080p for $1499 from Frys...pretty nice deal:

http://shop3.outpost.com/product/5290327

That's a plasma....how long do those things really last these days? I was reading on CNET that when this model came out it had possibly the best picture quality of all 42" 1080p sets LCD or Plasma.

I'm seriously considering just saving up the money and buying the 2007 model 42" Sharp Aquos. ValuePlasma.com (found on CNET referral) has it for $1540 out of pocket. That is very tempting, if its still around from them in a few weeks I might just bite. The LC-42D72U model is the 2007 version, from what I read it uses 4 blacklights instead of the 3 used by the one from 2006. It makes darks darker and the set will last even longer.

If Costco has the Sceptre Naga 42" in store today and I'm liking it I will probably buy that today. Seems like it has good picture quality, not top of the line but possibly better than Phillips or Westinghouse...main issue is the customer service and the media box isn't uncommon to be detective.

chrisnsally

07-29-2007, 06:05 PM

Plasmas are rated at about 6 hours a day...for 20 years. Seriously - it's not an issue any more.

freshzen

07-29-2007, 07:58 PM

42" Panasonic 1080p for $1499 from Frys...pretty nice deal:

http://shop3.outpost.com/product/5290327

Someone on GameTZ was telling me this TV fails to run at 1080i...he also said most TVs fail to run 1080i. He also said the new Sharp Aquos CAN run at 1080i...so I think that is going to be my choice. Now I just have to wait 3 weeks and hope someone offers it for less than $1540 in the mean time lol :)

chrisnsally

07-29-2007, 10:00 PM

Can you give some sort of source website or article? I've NEVER heard anything like that....

joelong

08-01-2007, 12:59 AM

are you shitting me? what is this TVs DEAL?!!!

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-HLS-5679W-Engine-1080p-HDTV/dp/B000F2P32S/ref=pd_bbs_sr_11/104-8842381-5561515?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1185567107&sr=8-11

edit: Never mind, someone already pointed out that the OP wanted a LCD and not a DLP set.

freshzen

08-01-2007, 01:08 AM

Can you give some sort of source website or article? I've NEVER heard anything like that....

It was Priest_of_gaming that was saying this...I think he's on CAG to but didn't search. If I see him on GameTZ chat over the next week or so I'll ask him for sources :)

I bought that Envision 32" on Monday. Its my first HD so I'm satisfied. Planning to use it as a bedroom TV & PC moniter eventually. Will be in the market for a 50+" plasma on Black Friday or 2008. After reading enough professional reviews I decided to trust them that you'd need at least a 46-47" TV to really begin to notice a difference between 1080p & 720p (although video games it stands out a bit more, naturally).

Punk_Raven

08-01-2007, 02:21 AM

I hope it's great. I think you've made the right choice. Also, ask yourself what 1080p sources you'll have in the future and align it to what size you're looking at and how much money you're willing to spend. Then do the " is it worth it " check. For most people, this is a negative.

zewone

08-01-2007, 02:28 AM

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8386285&type=product&id=1181831586462&ref=39&loc=01&srccode=cii_11138&cpncode=12-26440998-2

42" 1080p LCD - $1099

Liquidrmx

08-01-2007, 12:08 PM

If you have space for a DLP, then go for it. The only reason why it so cheaper, is because it is not flat and has a big back(Nowhere as near as a SDTV back).

ALso there is no lag in current HDTV, unless you use very old technology(Like VCR).

As long as you use HDTV signal/Cables there should not be a problem.

The reason for the lag is because it takes regular signal and upconvert it to HD. But you won't notice it in movies, only in games.

But unless you still playing your SNES, Original Nintendo, Sega genisis. There you have nothing to worry about.

But just look at the response rate(That determines if there lag).

DLP don't have any(The main thing I like about DLP is no Stuck/dead pixels).

Also WestingHouse is a good brand, it does not have to be sony for you to buy it.

Matty6

08-01-2007, 12:21 PM

Try the vizio 32 inch, it is a budget brand, but is still very awesome...

Kirra

08-01-2007, 12:38 PM

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8386285&type=product&id=1181831586462&ref=39&loc=01&srccode=cii_11138&cpncode=12-26440998-2

42" 1080p LCD - $1099

+ 10% Off Coupon (http://www.mediafire.com/?1n4xe4crzwv) = $990 + Tax

YMMV, good luck.

Nice deal, I would get it if I didn't already have my 37in Vizio.

opportunity777

09-03-2007, 06:53 PM

zewone

09-03-2007, 06:56 PM

I'm resurrecting this thread because my bro-in-law blew out his TV today. I am giving him my Philips 32'' 720p. I have a Sharp one that was on Amazon.com for a good price, but now it's back up to $1500. Anyone know of any TVs that would fit the bill of this topic?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8386285&type=product&id=1181831586462&ref=39&loc=01&srccode=cii_11138&cpncode=12-26440998-2

42" 1080p LCD - $1099

It's $1,079 now.

Citizen#1Game

09-03-2007, 07:39 PM

opportunity777

09-03-2007, 08:06 PM

It's $1,079 now.

The price is excellent. The product reviews make me kind of scared.

I am only willing to spend something around $1200 minus cost of shipping, tax, etc. because I want to use my money prudently.

I need to find someone on here that can get a good "five-finger" discount :)

Dro

09-03-2007, 11:05 PM

Don't get a westinghouse.

opportunity777

09-04-2007, 12:30 AM

Don't get a westinghouse.

What is the problem with the Westinghouse? I'm not really that interested in that brand, but what exactly did you read (to compare notes)?

I'm looking at a Sony XBR 40'' or higher, but they are pretty damn expensive. Also, I read that there are some issues regarding the color for some of their TVs. If I could get one for $1299 no tax and shipping I would bite :)

... Problem is I think a lot of people would bite on that one.

We need an Amazon.com TV blowout sale.

Punk_Raven

09-04-2007, 12:36 AM

Cyber Monday ( sunday? )

Dro

09-04-2007, 06:21 PM

There customer service is awful.

rodeojones903

09-04-2007, 06:30 PM

I bought the Sony XBR4, but later exchanged it for the Samsung 71 series. The Samsung blows the sony out of the water.

Chacrana

09-04-2007, 07:03 PM

I haven't had a chance to see the 71 series yet, but I want to sometime. Interesting that Samsung may win this round.

rodeojones903

09-04-2007, 07:14 PM

I haven't had a chance to see the 71 series yet, but I want to sometime. Interesting that Samsung may win this round.

I really want to see the 81's in action, but my local Best Buy does not carry that model since they are not a magnolia store. I find this ridiculous since its only about $200-300 more, but the LED backlighting supposedly gives it a 500,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio. I am very happy with the 71 though. It kicks the shit out of the XBR4 I returned for it.

Twilight Wolf

09-04-2007, 08:27 PM

I'm looking at a Sony XBR 40'' or higher, but they are pretty damn expensive. Also, I read that there are some issues regarding the color for some of their TVs. If I could get one for $1299 no tax and shipping I would bite :)
:rofl:wishful thinking. even the last gen sony xbr2 are 1700 for 40"

opportunity777

09-05-2007, 02:50 AM

:rofl:wishful thinking. even the last gen sony xbr2 are 1700 for 40"

Yeah, I know. I am just messing around. There is no way to get one of those at that price. I think I may have to up my limit to around $1500 to get a decent TV.

Twilight Wolf

09-05-2007, 03:23 AM

Yeah, I know. I am just messing around. There is no way to get one of those at that price. I think I may have to up my limit to around $1500 to get a decent TV. not necessarily. sharp aquos are much more reasonably price in comparison. imo, if i'm going to buy a 40"-42" lcd (which i am about to do in the next two weeks before halo 3 releases) it must either be sony, samsung, or sharp - in that order. considering all sony xbrs have issues with mura/clouding, that just leaves the latter two. although i'll probably jump on a samsung, sharp aquos are much more reasonably priced at under $1500 for the previous gen:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7992684&type=product&id=1155069968903
if you can luck out and find an open one from best buy in-store, you'll save a hundred bucks or so more. or bb usually has the reward zone coupon for 12% off any regularly priced item which brings it down to $1231. but i think those coupons were only valid this past weekend. but they'll pop up sometime soon again

eau

09-06-2007, 02:38 AM

Not a cheap deal but Costco is selling Sharp Aquos 52" 1080p for $2199.99 after $500 coupon.

VipFREAK

09-06-2007, 02:43 AM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889101109&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL090407-_-Plasma/LCD/DLPTV-_-L0-_-89101109&CMP=EMC-IGNEFL090407&ATT=N82E168189101109

SuppaMan

09-06-2007, 04:16 AM

So I know I don't post here like ever (though I am a member) but I feel compelled to tell everyone that as long as you "break-in" a brand new plasma, burn-in is no longer an issue, and it lasts as long as LCD's.

So comparatively (especially since LCD's seem to be getting shiny screens and heavier weight now), plasma's win IMO at the moment. LCD still (even with the 81 sammy's with LED backlighting) hasn't caught up to the picture quality of plasma's (don't go by in stores completely, LCD's have brightness jacked up, trust me when you get a pioneer/panny plasma next to a sharp/sammy lcd at home, the plasma's will look much better and more realistic picture wise. Not to mention for the size, generally the prices for plasma's are cheaper.

I think the only two LCD tv's that come even close to the PQ of the top Panny and Pioneer plasma's are the new Sony XBR4 (40" and up, the 32" isn't the same model) and the new Sammy 81 series, and even those still aren't AS good as the new Pioneer Kuro line or the Panny 7XX 1080p line. And yes that's comparing apples to apples, since all those sets are all the high end sets of those manufactureres, and the plasma's still win out in terms of picture quality.

Also, DLP does lag, whoever said that's not an issue needs to stop lying. Sammy DLP's are notorious for that. Lastly most DLP 1080p tv's aren't true 1080p, they have a chip that doubles the resolution or something in a weird way, so it's not techinically 1080p. The only 1080p RPTV's that I can think of are Sony's SXRD series. Thats' it off the top of my head. If you go RPTV, go with one of those, the rest aren't worth it (picture quality wise, technical wise, and gaming wise).

opportunity777

09-06-2007, 09:28 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16889101109&cm_mmc=EMC-IGNEFL090407-_-Plasma/LCD/DLPTV-_-L0-_-89101109&CMP=EMC-IGNEFL090407&ATT=N82E168189101109

About 5 inches too small :-(

VipFREAK

09-06-2007, 11:17 PM

Does it really matter? http://img426.imageshack.us/img426/4081/dopey3xj.gif

zewone

09-06-2007, 11:29 PM

Yes.

Malik112099

09-07-2007, 12:05 AM

suppaman - burn in is still a problem for both plasmas and lcds..look it up..it isnt permanent anymore but it can still happen....

i bought a Samsung HL-S5687W almost a year ago for $1999 (im sure they have come down a bit by now)...its 56" 1080p 10000:1 contrast and it blows my mind...i highly recommend this set to anyone

SuppaMan

09-07-2007, 04:15 PM

suppaman - burn in is still a problem for both plasmas and lcds..look it up..it isnt permanent anymore but it can still happen....

No it isn't. And if you dare post burn-in is an issue for LCD's at the AVSForums you'd better get yourself a new asshole because they'd rip your's apart.

LCD's can't get burn-in, which a few years ago was a great advantage they had over Plasma screens (though it at the time was also negated because LCD's lagged with the onscreen picture, and still do technically compared to plasma's though it's not to noticeable anymore if you have 120HZ refresh sets with 8ms or less response time).

Technically plasma could get burn-in, but all new tv's from Panny, Pioneer, Sammy, etc all have built-in precautions, such as pixel wobbling, which slightly shifts each pixel so the image itself never sits still on the screen (though to the human eye you can't notice it doing this). Most also have built-in remedies, such as the Sammy's, which will throw a white screen up to remove an IR (image retention).

And there's the word you are looking for image retention. LCD's can suffer from it, but it goes away on it's own without having to even do anything. Plasma's greatest susceptibility to image retention is in the first 100 hours of viewing (which is why if you check diehard places like the AVSForums they link and talk about the break-in DVD, which is available free in a download to easily break-in a plasma the best way possible).

As it stands right now, for flat panels, plasma's offer the best picture for the best price. The only issue with it is if you have a very brightly lit room or a lot of windows that could create reflections from glare off the glass screen (though new models have anti-glare coatings). Sadly even LCD's are shifting in this direction, at least Samsung's, as the 61/65F series, and the new 71/81 series all feature a shiny as shit screen (thus negating an LCD advantage).

RPTV's, such as DLP still have the best value for screen size, but are still bulky, will require eventually expensive bulb replacements (which may be a pain in the ass to find in a few years as the industry continues to shift to flat panels (LCD, Plasma, OLED, etc), are still known to be susceptible to gaming lag and picture wise (for the best RPTV's, which hands down is the Sony SXRD series of RPTV's) are basically the same as the top Plasma's from Pioneer.

If you want info on tv's, hands-on reviews, etc, just check the AVSForums or Cnet for TV reviews. They put things through their paces, and generally LCD's (minus the very top ones) don't fare to well still, and definitely don't fare as well as Plasma's for picture quality in flat panels.