BIOSHOCK - Gen. Discussion & Info

[Halo05]

I have to agree. The game is very linear. Walk here because you can't walk anywhere else, search dead body because there is nothing else to do, kill person, tap b for health.

I really think that's more an indication of what they put into the demo/the very beginning of the game versus what the final product is. I mean, this thing got insane reviews. If is was just another Doom 3 (beautiful graphics, same old shooting), it wouldn't be nearly as universally praised.

I'm so going to bug TRU everyday this week. I'd love to have some quality time with the game before school starts.

I wonder if any GS' will break street date. Seems like they could if word gets out that tons of people are going to buy it from TRU.

[Temporaryscars]

Meh. Graphics were great (spent 15 minutes at the beginning after getting out of the water), but the game didn't seem that great.

Agreed.

[ivanctorres]

HMM THIS tru rumor makes this interesting...I will just play lots of Madden until I pick up my LE copy at GS.

[Sofa King Kool]

I doubt they can guarentee it this late. It's under a week now, their order numbers have already been sent off.
Well, I'll give it a shot anyway. I might as well try to reserve it now rather than hope they have extras on launch day.

I'm not that worried though. I don't really live in a place with a lot of gamers. Stuff is usually really easy to find around here.

[Vanigan]

I live in an area surrounded not only by gamers, but game studios. I've walked into a store where a bunch of guys are filing out wearing gaming shirts. I ask for a game at the counter and they tell me the guys from studio so and so just picked up all the copies.

[Apossum]

anyone else have the demo freeze up on them? happened to me twice so far...

[KwanzaaTimmy]

anyone else have the demo freeze up on them? happened to me twice so far...

I've had it stutter on me quite a bit (voice warping, pauses, audio glitches), I'd be pissed if this thing dies while I'm trying to get through Rapture. Oh well, I already set aside emergency funds for a new 360 if such were to happen.

The official forums and neogaf are retarded about the street date break, MODs are locking threads left and right....

Hell SciFi is running a commercial that even says: "Availible Now!". It'd be an awesome day for me as a gamer to have both Persona 3 and Bioshock arrive at the same time.

[cag1000]

Can someone tell me where is the best place to find the limited Bioshock faceplate that is selling for a lot of $$$ on ebay? There was only 5100 made.

[Scorch]

Can someone tell me where is the best place to find the limited Bioshock faceplate that is selling for a lot of $$$ on ebay? There was only 5100 made.

it was only sent to Gamestop managers. It's not something that you can buy.

[lordwow]

it was only sent to Gamestop managers. It's not something that you can buy.

So eBay :)

[mr ryles]

is there any regular priced bioshock faceplates out there? I wouldn't mind having one.

[KwanzaaTimmy]

is there any regular priced bioshock faceplates out there? I wouldn't mind having one.

I'm right there with you-- would have been nice in the LE.

[DarkNessBear]

I played through it again... and really, really enjoyed the Hacking element. I thought it was very neat.

Might consider picking it up.

[Moxio]

Played through it again, it was more enjoyable.

[Sofa King Kool]

This game will finally bring an end my personal gaming drought. I bought Kill.Switch and XIII to hold me over until it comes out.

I played through it again... and really, really enjoyed the Hacking element. I thought it was very neat.
Yeah, that didn't go so well for me the first time around. (Boom).

The second play through was a blast though; my little helicopter buddy helped out a lot.

[vlv723]

Game is pretty good. I'll put this on the top of my queue for Gamefly. Hopefully I'm one of the lucky ones to get it shipped to me.

I get these security alert things and that damn copter keeps shooting at me. How the heck I get rid of them?

[A Happy Panda]

Just went through the demo for the first time...

I remember why I don't like games like this.....they scare the shit out of me.

I can handle "scary" movies because they're only scary for moments at a time. But videogames? Man, you're fucking in it the entire time.

I was pretty impressed by the game. I like how you can rummage through the world and pick up stuff. Will I pick it up? Probably not because I'm a vagina, but I did enjoy the demo. I may give the demo a second run-through because now I know what to expect.

I'm just glad I wasn't playing with my 5.1 speakers. Man. I'd probably lose my mind if I actually played the full game.

[jazzman]

Ditto on it being scary, I just played it on my projector (92" screen) w/ 5.1 surround. But I'll still end up buying it and probably not even finishing it or playing it during the day. Same thing happened with Prey and Condemend.
:baby:

Just went through the demo for the first time...

I remember why I don't like games like this.....they scare the shit out of me.

I can handle "scary" movies because they're only scary for moments at a time. But videogames? Man, you're fucking in it the entire time.

I was pretty impressed by the game. I like how you can rummage through the world and pick up stuff. Will I pick it up? Probably not because I'm a vagina, but I did enjoy the demo. I may give the demo a second run-through because now I know what to expect.

I'm just glad I wasn't playing with my 5.1 speakers. Man. I'd probably lose my mind if I actually played the full game.

[menikmati]

Just went through the demo for the first time...

I remember why I don't like games like this.....they scare the shit out of me.

I can handle "scary" movies because they're only scary for moments at a time. But videogames? Man, you're fucking in it the entire time.

I was pretty impressed by the game. I like how you can rummage through the world and pick up stuff. Will I pick it up? Probably not because I'm a vagina, but I did enjoy the demo. I may give the demo a second run-through because now I know what to expect.

I'm just glad I wasn't playing with my 5.1 speakers. Man. I'd probably lose my mind if I actually played the full game.

Same here, I downloaded the demo for the hell of it and haven't even played it once. I'm a fan of comedic violence and junk like Dead Rising, but creepy games aren't my cup of tea.

Hell, I'm inching my way through RE4 for the Wii and the fucking Novistadors scared the shit out of me when I first encountered them, they don't look scary, just that I turn around and find acidic vomit being spewed on me made me jump.

[Moxio]

I love spooky games. I remember hoping for spooky parts during my first playthrough of FEAR.

It really adds atmosphere to games. Moreso than good graphics or blood on walls.

[msp32]

The creepy sound and atmosphere is the best part

[Moxio]

And plus pegging dead bodies for 15 minutes.

[glockant]

some TRU's are breaking street date on BioShock.

run!

http://kotaku.com/gaming/tru-breaks-street-date/lucky-bastards-get-bioshock-early-289530.php

[Javery]

To all of the pussies out there - it's time to man up. RE4 made me jump a bunch the first time through but now I fly through it popping everything in sight. The BioShock Demo creeped me out too but the second time through it I was fine. Don't pass up a great game.

[moonknight25]

Dude the first Big Daddy Scene had me on edge the whole time. Thats how I know a game is the bomb.....if I tense up playing it!

[shrike4242]

To all of the pussies out there - it's time to man up. RE4 made me jump a bunch the first time through but now I fly through it popping everything in sight. The BioShock Demo creeped me out too but the second time through it I was fine. Don't pass up a great game.Bioshock, now coming with one pair of clean underwear! :rofl:

[ryanbph]

is there any regular priced bioshock faceplates out there? I wouldn't mind having one.

its too bad that the game companies have for the most part stopped making faceplates to launch with there games...Getting a faceplate (not a skin) had me going in and preordering games:roll:

[Apossum]

so no one else is having problems with the demo freezing? I might have to exchange my system...

[Pestilence]

its too bad that the game companies have for the most part stopped making faceplates to launch with there games...Getting a faceplate (not a skin) had me going in and preordering games:roll:

o they made a bioshock faceplate and it is BEAUTIFUL. We have one at work that my boss is having a sales competition for it.

Being the assistant manager, im there almost everyday, so I will win regardless :D

Trust me, pics will be made a plenty when i get this thing, it has a picture of the big daddy on the front, and its super glossy, not that cheap plastic feel that most faceplates have.

[Damian]

You get a free faceplate for preordering in the UK.

http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/931521/BioShock/Product.html

I like this one a lotbetter than the limited edition one Gamestop managers got.

[Sk8erlink7]

I wasn't sure what to expect, as I haven't really been following the game much, but the demo made this a must-buy on launch for me. That's actually very surprising, considering that I'm a professed wimp with these types of games.

I think I might go pick up Condemned and FEAR when I go to reserve this today. Just so I can try to get my nerves ready. haha

[Pestilence]

You get a free faceplate for preordering in the UK.

http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/931521/BioShock/Product.html

I like this one a lotbetter than the limited edition one Gamestop managers got.

that one is pretty nice

but i kinda like the GS one (since its avail to me :P )

http://kotaku.com/gaming/rapture-swag/gamestop-managers-sent-bioshock-faceplates-273461.php

here is a pic for those who havent seen it.

[A Happy Panda]

I love spooky games. I remember hoping for spooky parts during my first playthrough of FEAR.

It really adds atmosphere to games. Moreso than good graphics or blood on walls.

Oh man. FEAR. That game...ahh get it away from me lol. Creepy little children are the worst thing to ever happen to the horror genre. Fucking just...get them away.

I really do love horror movies, and most of the time I don't even think a lot of the movies that people consider really scary are that scary at all. Such as 28 Days Later, or The Descent. I will say that The Descent had me going a few times, but overall I was like "yeah it was ok scary." Games like RE or Bioshock are seriously 100x scarier than any horror film to me.

I'm still very much on the fence for this game. I've been thinking about getting RE for the Wii as well, I'm trying to overcome my fear of frightening videogames.

[Halo05]

That UK one is epic. I wonder how much they'll go for on eBay. I've had the regular faceplate for over a year and a half now, I'd pay some serious money to switch it with the UK one.

[Temporaryscars]

Played the demo. I was really looking forward to this game, but I wasn't all that impressed with the demo. I think that when you get a game like this, and the hype surrounding it is off the charts, that a lot of people, who have put a lot of hope into the game, say they were more impressed with it than they really were. It's like when you buy your first car, and you're all hyped about it, and then you find out it's a lemon, but because you loved being hyped about it, you try to up-play the good things about it and downplay the bad.

That being said, the graphics and atmosphere were great, but I found the game to be a little disorienting, and I don't feel as though the demo gave much of a story to follow. I was a little confused as to the whole beginning, but that could just be because it's a demo. Who knows.

I also found the controls to be a tad floaty. Not too bad, but it made it kind of hard to aim, especially with how fast the enemies moved on screen. Also, the enemies all look pretty much the same. I'm one of those sick freaks who inspects bodies after they kill them, and I noticed that in the demo, they all pretty much looked the same. Bleah.

Will I get this game? I'm on the fence. I'm not sure it's worth $60. I'll probably wait until it hits around $40 to $50, but we'll see.

On a final note, as I played through the demo, I kept thinking of a phrase a game publisher once said when Bioshock was first being shipped around. He said Bioshock was "'just another ****ing PC FPS that's going to sell 250,000 units." I agree with half of that statement.

[Apossum]

I hope the game explains how some dude just built a fully functional city underwater in the 40's :lol:

[A Happy Panda]

Played the demo. I was really looking forward to this game, but I wasn't all that impressed with the demo. I think that when you get a game like this, and the hype surrounding it is off the charts, that a lot of people, who have put a lot of hope into the game, say they were more impressed with it than they really were. It's like when you buy your first car, and you're all hyped about it, and then you find out it's a lemon, but because you loved being hyped about it, you try to up-play the good things about it and downplay the bad.

That being said, the graphics and atmosphere were great, but I found the game to be a little disorienting, and I don't feel as though the demo gave much of a story to follow. I was a little confused as to the whole beginning, but that could just be because it's a demo. Who knows.

I also found the controls to be a tad floaty. Not too bad, but it made it kind of hard to aim, especially with how fast the enemies moved on screen. Also, the enemies all look pretty much the same. I'm one of those sick freaks who inspects bodies after they kill them, and I noticed that in the demo, they all pretty much looked the same. Bleah.

Will I get this game? I'm on the fence. I'm not sure it's worth $60. I'll probably wait until it hits around $40 to $50, but we'll see.

On a final note, as I played through the demo, I kept thinking of a phrase a game publisher once said when Bioshock was first being shipped around. He said Bioshock was "'just another ****ing PC FPS that's going to sell 250,000 units." I agree with half of that statement.

Well as for the story element...it's a demo. Though I did wish for some more background on why there were still people alive in Rapture. But I know it'll be in the final game.

I was never that hyped up for this game at all because the game never looked that appealing to me. But after playing the demo, I did enjoy myself. Plasmids were fun, so was rummaging through stuff and searching dead bodies.

I'll agree that the variants in enemies was kind of lacking, but in an FPS...I'm not that worried. Again, I'd probably expect more come release day.

Also, what do you mean by disorientating?

EDIT: Same here Appossum. During what time is this game supposed to take place? I know Rapture was created during the 40s or 50s....but what about the outside world?

I also can't over the hilarity of the cover. It's just like....BAM!

Also....did you guys know the commercials have been altered to say "available now?"

http://the7gamers.com/2007/08/14/bioshock-early-release/

Hmm..

[Sofa King Kool]

If my TRU has it, should I grab extra copies for CAGs?

[Javery]

If my TRU has it, should I grab extra copies for CAGs?

I wouldn't. By the time you ship it the game will be out (or very close). If someone wants you to then go for it though...

[Scorch]

Yeah, the majority of TRU stores are seling it early, saying that there was never an official street date (even though there is). The commercial says "available now".

Apparently 2K wants to abolish the street date and make it sellable upon receivement, but no official word yet. I've also heard that Bioshock has been completely removed out of the EB/GS system to prevent early selling. This is one giant clusterfuck.

[A Happy Panda]

Posters on Neogaf are reporting that another poster from IGN called a TRU and said his store confirmed that all TRUs should be selling Bioshock as of today.

Now granted, this is an internet version of the game telephone so it's most likely a complete clusterfuck, but hey, wouldn't hurt to call your local store.

[rabbitt]

Mine had 6 copies.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/stitched/bioshock.jpg

[Sofa King Kool]

You lucky bastard.

The LE is Gamestop exclusive, right?

[A Happy Panda]

All this talk of broken street dates is making me go nuts. I really want this game simply because everyone else wants this game.

Anyone willing to buy a copy of Madden 08 for the $360 for $45 shipped from me if I happen to find Bioshock at my TRU? I wanna get the game for $30, but don't want Madden.

[Halo05]

*grumble grumble*

I'm dying to play this. I really want (and have largely paid off) the GS CE. At the same time, it's been 3 years since I bought a Madden game and the TRU deal would make the regular Bioshock very cheap (comparatively).

I should just turn off my interweb for the next week in order to avoid being teased like this.

[buttasuperb]

Also....did you guys know the commercials have been altered to say "available now?"

http://the7gamers.com/2007/08/14/bioshock-early-release/

Hmm..

It is odd that they're running a commercial that says "Available Now"

Maybe they'll allow everyone to sell early?

[rabbitt]

And for the record, the 20% off coupon worked without a problem.

[mykevermin]

Mine had 6 copies.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/stitched/bioshock.jpg

You don't live anywhere near Cincinnati, do you? I was just at the Kenwood store, to no avail. Did pick up a 25th Anniversary Snake Eyes and Timber, tho.

[Chacrana]

The PC LE has been taken off Gamestop's site... so I preordered it in store. Hopefully it won't be an issue getting it.

[buttasuperb]

The PC LE has been taken off Gamestop's site... so I preordered it in store. Hopefully it won't be an issue getting it.

Yea I noticed that a couple days ago. From what I heard, it just sold out online, that's why it's not there anymore.

Hopefully I have no problem getting it in store either.

[Chacrana]

Yea I noticed that a couple days ago. From what I heard, it just sold out online, that's why it's not there anymore.

Hopefully I have no problem getting it in store either.

Apparently, they actually meant Limited with this LE. Well, I'm absolutely committed to getting this game right away now, I guess.

[Damian]

EDIT: Same here Appossum. During what time is this game supposed to take place? I know Rapture was created during the 40s or 50s....but what about the outside world?
There seem to be an inconsistency about that. Rapture was built in 1946, there doesn't seem to be any contradiction to that. But for the time period you're playing there does seem to be a conflict between the website and the demo. Your ship sinks in 1960, that's clear. I forget the month but it shows you that as well. That's reasonable because when you're in that bar in Rapture there's a fallen banner that reads "Happy New Year 1959" so it's been about a year and a half since Rapture collapsed. However, the website (http://www.2kgames.com/cultofrapture/rapture.html) says that "At one point Rapture's population numbered several thousand at its peak during the early 1960s". That clearly cannot be correct if the game is set in 1960. I'm assuming the website is in error here since the in game evidence is far greater than one date on a website. I would check the forums but I'm getting database errors trying to load the page.

[Sofa King Kool]

And for the record, the 20% off coupon worked without a problem.

Where can I find that coupon?

[heavy liquid]

Where can I find that coupon?

Right here:

http://www9.toysrus.com/our/tru/prom/081207email/919392.cfm

[jalu6]

I got a copy at lunch at the Paramus NJ TRU. I didn't mess with any of the Madden nonsense, just paid my $60. They had a few copies left for anyone in the area.

[Tha Xecutioner]

No go at the Nashville TRU. They have them, but the employees wouldn't budge because of the email they received telling them not to sell. Lame.

[slickkill77]

Yea I got Bioshock and madden today for 83.xx

[Kendro]

It is tough deciding whether to keep my BioShock CE pre-order at GS or get Madden and BioShock at TRU for only $8 more. Madden vs. CE contents...:headache:

[heavy liquid]

Novi, MI said they got them but already sold out. >:(

[SL4IN]

I already have my collectors edition of bioshock paid for in full with store credit at my job, so I guess I'll wait until we get it in. madden didn't really impress me this year anyway.

[rabbitt]

No, sorry. For any NE Ohio CAGs, it was the TRU on Howe Avenue in Cuyahoga Falls.

You don't live anywhere near Cincinnati, do you? I was just at the Kenwood store, to no avail. Did pick up a 25th Anniversary Snake Eyes and Timber, tho.

[xeno]

Posters on Neogaf are reporting that another poster from IGN called a TRU and said his store confirmed that all TRUs should be selling Bioshock as of today.

.

BS for the the TRU's in the northgate mall, the one in Bellevue ,and the one southcenter in WA state :(

[pewing33ny]

paramus nj on route 17 had them but some douchebag came and bought the last five of them.

:bomb:

[Maynard]

Game has been leaked out to the TORRENTS dun DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNN but i wouldn't call it leaked really considering they sold it early :)

[Javery]

paramus nj on route 17 had them but some douchebag came and bought the last five of them.

:bomb:

What's the point of that? It's not like they have any value above what he paid...

[mykevermin]

http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?GetResult&maxrecordsreturned=300&saobfmts=insif&sadis=200&fis=2&saprclo=&frpp=50&sacat=-1&fsop=1&fsoo=1&from=R10&fpos=41071&sofocus=so&sbrftog=1&satitle=bioshock&ftrv=1&ftrt=1&saprchi=&sargn=-1&sabfmts=1&guest=1

Oh yeah?

I'm thinking of going to the Florence, KY TRU to try it out, but am lacking the wherewithal to do so.

[shrike4242]

http://search-completed.ebay.com/search/search.dll?GetResult&maxrecordsreturned=300&saobfmts=insif&sadis=200&fis=2&saprclo=&frpp=50&sacat=-1&fsop=1&fsoo=1&from=R10&fpos=41071&sofocus=so&sbrftog=1&satitle=bioshock&ftrv=1&ftrt=1&saprchi=&sargn=-1&sabfmts=1&guest=1

Oh yeah?

I'm thinking of going to the Florence, KY TRU to try it out, but am lacking the wherewithal to do so.Wow. Some people truly have some impulse control issues.

$109.99 for a game that will be out in less than a week? It's not like the damned thing is going to be released in limited quantities, like the LE. Sheesh.

This LE auction for $100, that's understandable:
http://cgi.ebay.com/BioShock-Xbox-360-Limited-Edition-Exclusive-Figurine_W0QQitemZ110157415319QQihZ001QQcategoryZ6 2053QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Javery]

Oh yeah?

Wow. People are dumb.

[shrike4242]

Wow. People are dumb.The faceplates, those are limited, so that I expect to go for a few bucks. LE's for people that didn't pre-order, also something I can see going for a few bucks.

The regular version of the game, which might be available today, worst case Tuesday, and you're paying 2x retail? Damned idiots.

[mykevermin]

The regular version of the game, which might be available today, worst case Tuesday, and you're paying 2x retail? Damned idiots.

Yep. I'm gonna head to TRU because I want to play the hell out of this game, not for a quick $100 that someone will instantly regret. I'm not very nice, but I'm not an asshole, either.

[shrike4242]

Yep. I'm gonna head to TRU because I want to play the hell out of this game, not for a quick $100 that someone will instantly regret. I'm not very nice, but I'm not an asshole, either.Good luck with that. Hopefully you can find it there, and use the 20% off coupon as well. Save $12.

[A Happy Panda]

BS for the the TRU's in the northgate mall, the one in Bellevue ,and the one southcenter in WA state :(

Yeah. That was my post from a couple hours ago. Apparently most of the TRU stores now got calls and e-mails from corporate to stop the sale of Bioshock early.

[Theduck]

All stores in the miami area are either not selling or sold out.

[rizzay]

Gameinformer just gave the game 10/10, and games radar just gave it a 5/5 .... wow.

[Maynard]

I just called my TRU and they said they got a cease and disist from M$ holy shit.

[Nelo Ice]

i got the last copy at my TRU :applause:

[A Happy Panda]

I just called my TRU and they said they got a cease and disist from M$ holy shit.

Hmm. I wonder why MS would call...

Not developed or published by them.

[Sofa King Kool]

No luck at the TRU on Daniel Webster Highway in Nashua. The clerk was an asshole about it too. When I asked him he sighed and agrily said "NO, we DON'T have Bioshock, people have been asking all day and it's getting REALLY annoying". I would've unleashed on him for being such a dick, but there was a big line of little kids behind me, so I thought it would be best not to.

So I went to Gamestop and reserved the LE; the guy guaranteed me a copy on launch day.

[A Happy Panda]

No luck at the TRU on Daniel Webster Highway in Nashua. The clerk was an asshole about it too. When I asked him he sighed and agrily said "NO, we DON'T have Bioshock, people have been asking all day and it's getting REALLY annoying". I would've unleashed on him for being such a dick, but there was a big line of little kids behind me, so I thought it would be best not to.

So I went to Gamestop and reserved the LE; the guy guaranteed me a copy on launch day.

No offense but have you ever worked retail?

Sometimes you gotta cut the employee a break. Think about it. That guy's probably been asked hundreds of times today. But the part where he said "it's getting really annoying" is a bit excessive.

[Sofa King Kool]

No offense but have you ever worked retail?

Sometimes you gotta cut the employee a break. Think about it. That guy's probably been asked hundreds of times today. But the part where he said "it's getting really annoying" is a bit excessive.
Yes, I work retail. I get asked stupid questions over and over again everyday, and I never react that way. They're a customer with a question. There's no need to get mad.

[A Happy Panda]

Yes, I work retail. I get asked stupid questions over and over again everyday, and I never react that way. They're a customer with a question. There's no need to get mad.

No I agree, there is no need to react that way. But there's also no reason to give him shit for it.

[Sofa King Kool]

No I agree, there is no need to react that way. But there's also no reason to give him shit for it.

Maybe not, but I still would have. I really have no sympathy for cashiers who condescend me for asking a simple question.

[mykevermin]

Good luck with that. Hopefully you can find it there, and use the 20% off coupon as well. Save $12.

No dice. He had them, but said he couldn't sell them. Even looked at me as I walked in said "Bioshock, huh?" :lol: He was polite about it, so no loss. I did pick up Lego Star Wars II on the cheap, so yay me.

[Moxio]

Ooh Bioshock hard mode.

[shrike4242]

No dice. He had them, but said he couldn't sell them. Even looked at me as I walked in said "Bioshock, huh?" :lol: He was polite about it, so no loss. I did pick up Lego Star Wars II on the cheap, so yay me.Never hurts to try. :D Would've been nice if you scored one.

[A Happy Panda]

Some asshole tried to pose as someone from corporate to get his Target to start selling early...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=180435&page=29

Fucking retarded. If that shit went through, it could've cost someone their job.

[io]

Wow. Some people truly have some impulse control issues.

$109.99 for a game that will be out in less than a week? It's not like the damned thing is going to be released in limited quantities, like the LE. Sheesh.


$109.99? I see some $140 and $150 sales there - for the regular version! Those people deserve to get fleeced... morons...

I haven't even gotten around to playing the demo yet. I can't see any reason to pay $90 over retail to get the actual game 5 days early.

[splintercell]

No go at the Wilmington, DE TRU. They guy sounded like he had been asked about it before.

[hollowfreak]

First, why in the hell would you worry about seeing where the reflections are coming from? You're just looking for reasons to not like this game, which is fine if that's what makes you happy. I just hope you don't do it with every game or you'll never be satisfied.

As far as the whole, crazy, "ooh, drugs!" bit, until we see how that part plays out in the complete game, I'm reserving judgement. Yes, it seems hasty in the demo. At the same time, it's been said many times before that the demo is not necessarily exactly the same as the initial parts of the game. It's intended to be a teaser, not to plumb the depths of what the main character is going through emotionally and physically.

Um ok why would I worry? Well when a graphical "standard" has been set by let's say a game like Doom 3 (on xbox no less) you'd expect that games released after it and on a more powerful system would do certain things as good if not better. There's three (graphical) things that really matter in a game and that's lighting, shadows, and reflections if any one of those are off it can make a great game look like crap but if your eyes can't tell the difference you'll be happy playing with crap but I sure won't.

Looking for reasons not to like a game? That's just plain insanity. I constantly look for reasons to like games it's not my fault they can't take the time to polish the crap. I can see right past perfection and enjoy myself, but one flaw, one reflection that doesn't make sense catches my eye and annoys the fuck out of me. :lol: But anyway, in actuality I preordered the game from liongames.com so you're wrong I want to LOVE this game, as I don't drop $45 on many games at all.

I agree with you that this is a demo and it's a teaser and it's intended to wet my flibbin whistle, BUT it sure seems like the beginning of the game. I hope I'm wrong but like I said before "I really hope it's just the demo's fault that this story/game seems a lil rushed."

"They told me ... Son, You're special. You were born to do great things. You know what? ... They were right" :roll:

[SilverPaw750]

I haven't had a chance to play the demo yet, so can someone answer one question?

Is it creepy, or is it scary?

I love creepy games, such as Resident Evil 4, where the atmosphere is just imposing, the creatures warped, and so on, and you're sort of uncomfortable the whole time.

I hate scary games, like Doom 3, where shit just jumps out at you. They're boring because the atmosphere really holds no value.

[Rei no Otaku]

It's creepy. There wasn't one time where I really got scared, but the whole time I was nervous about what would happen next.

[thrustbucket]

Um ok why would I worry? Well when a graphical "standard" has been set by let's say a game like Doom 3 (on xbox no less) you'd expect that games released after it and on a more powerful system would do certain things as good if not better. There's three (graphical) things that really matter in a game and that's lighting, shadows, and reflections if any one of those are off it can make a great game look like crap but if your eyes can't tell the difference you'll be happy playing with crap but I sure won't.

Looking for reasons not to like a game? That's just plain insanity. I constantly look for reasons to like games it's not my fault they can't take the time to polish the crap. I can see right past perfection and enjoy myself, but one flaw, one reflection that doesn't make sense catches my eye and annoys the fuck out of me. :lol: But anyway, in actuality I preordered the game from liongames.com so you're wrong I want to LOVE this game, as I don't drop $45 on many games at all.

I agree with you that this is a demo and it's a teaser and it's intended to wet my flibbin whistle, BUT it sure seems like the beginning of the game. I hope I'm wrong but like I said before "I really hope it's just the demo's fault that this story/game seems a lil rushed."

"They told me ... Son, You're special. You were born to do great things. You know what? ... They were right" :roll:

I remember sometime last year watching a video of an early preview of bioshock with one of the creators (think it was Ken Levine) and he was explaining how, unlike most FPS's their goal was not to create the next jaw-dropping grapical engine to compete with the rest, as that would take up too much dev time. Instead, they focused on AI and environmental interaction type stuff.

This said, you can nitpick the hell out of the graphical effects not being up to par with the big boys all you want. But I would contend that the shock games have never been about the best graphics. They have been about gameplay. Just because it's an FPS, don't be confused into thinking otherwise. The gaming populace has been brainwashed the past few years into thinking each FPS game that comes out should offer some new level of graphic wow. And that's lame.

Personally, I feel that even though the engine may not stand up to other games released this year, it's art design is among the best, if not the best. And I would rather have awesome art design with a mediocre engine than the best graphical engine and bland art design.

[Sofa King Kool]

It's creepy, not scary. There were a lot of nervous moments, but you never actually get scared.

It's creepy. There wasn't one time where I really got scared, but the whole time I was nervous about what would happen next.

Exactly.

[I AM WILLIAM H. MACY]

Hmm, played the demo, enjoyed it but didn't love it like I thought I would

Think I'll wait for it to drop in price

[slickkill77]

Im loving it especially for $30...The demo begining is different from the real begining in terms of items. There isnt a fire power up in the bathroom etcc

[Sofa King Kool]

GAAH! I can't stand knowing that other people get to play this game while the rest of us have to sit and wait! I want it NOW!

[hollowfreak]

I remember sometime last year watching a video of an early preview of bioshock with one of the creators (think it was Ken Levine) and he was explaining how, unlike most FPS's their goal was not to create the next jaw-dropping grapical engine to compete with the rest, as that would take up too much dev time. Instead, they focused on AI and environmental interaction type stuff.

This said, you can nitpick the hell out of the graphical effects not being up to par with the big boys all you want. But I would contend that the shock games have never been about the best graphics. They have been about gameplay. Just because it's an FPS, don't be confused into thinking otherwise. The gaming populace has been brainwashed the past few years into thinking each FPS game that comes out should offer some new level of graphic wow. And that's lame.

Personally, I feel that even though the engine may not stand up to other games released this year, it's art design is among the best, if not the best. And I would rather have awesome art design with a mediocre engine than the best graphical engine and bland art design.

I agree with you but the Doom 3 engine could do everything I was talking about and this is using the Unreal Engine 3.0 which I would imagine is much more adavanced. It just seems to me that simple things like say lights in the kitchen might be something you'd add to a level. They took the time to light the area and even had one of the lights flicker but there's no light fixtures anywhere. It doesn't take a degree to know how stupid lit areas look when there's no light "sources".

[jalu6]

Im loving it especially for $30...The demo begining is different from the real begining in terms of items. There isnt a fire power up in the bathroom etcc

And the firefight isn't as large either. Also, there are no bots to hack or anything until the beginning of the second level. The demo does end exactly when the first level of the game ends though.

[mykevermin]

Can't y'all whores keep your spoilers to yourselves!?!?!?!

;)

[Scorch]

No go at the Nashville TRU. They have them, but the employees wouldn't budge because of the email they received telling them not to sell. Lame.
You can thank an over-excited guy from the Cool Springs store for that one. Apparently he took pride in mentioning that he called every TRU in TN and had them pull it off the shelf.

[Halo05]

You can thank an over-excited guy from the Cool Springs store for that one. Apparently he took pride in mentioning that he called every TRU in TN and had them pull it off the shelf.

Hopefully his glee led to him not paying attention where he was driving on his way home and he wound up somewhere in TN where "city folks ain't welcome".

Seriously, someone's always got to be the party-pooper. Like suddenly his TRU salary will skyrocket and he'll be made district/regional manager. What a douche. If I ever find a plasmid in real life, I'm paying him a visit.

[thamaster24]

You can thank an over-excited guy from the Cool Springs store for that one. Apparently he took pride in mentioning that he called every TRU in TN and had them pull it off the shelf.
He probably called the Memphis TRU, they wouldn't sell either...

[Scorch]

I don't know if the story's true or not. I just had a guy come in work and talk about it. He was saying how the employee was excitedly saying that the had them and even showed off one.. then mentioned that he couldn't sell it until the 21st and that he called all the stores in TN and told them to pull it off the shelf.

Ass.

[omgu8myrice]

im convinced that this demo red ringed my 360..
oh well, the graphics and sound with this game are stunning
i think i pissed my pants when i was playing with the lights off

[RelentlessRolento]

for those of you wanting more from your demo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgsFyiYv9RY

[Theduck]

One Gamestop by me broke the street date. Glory ensued.

[thamaster24]

I don't know if the story's true or not. I just had a guy come in work and talk about it. He was saying how the employee was excitedly saying that the had them and even showed off one.. then mentioned that he couldn't sell it until the 21st and that he called all the stores in TN and told them to pull it off the shelf.

Ass.

Someone needs to fucking superkick that guy in the nuts

[m3talst0rm]

Haven't tried it yet....but it seems that you can unlock hard mode on the demo

link: http://xbox360.dcemu.co.uk/bioshock-has-gone-gold-playable-demo-on-xbox-live-now-70961.html

[slickkill77]

for those of you wanting more from your demo:


Some people have way to much time on their hands to figure dumb shit like that out

[getmyrunon]

Walked in and pre-ordered the LE at Gamestop today. Ridiculously overpriced, but I'm trying to rid myself of all my credit to that god forsaken place because I dislike that chain with a passion.

[A Happy Panda]

Jeez. Even the official website is creepy/scary

http://www.2kgames.com/bioshock/enter.html

[jalu6]

The 1Up.com review is up.

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3162017

Only a 4/10? I don't know what these guys are smoking.

[buttasuperb]

The 1Up.com review is up.

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3162017

Only a 4/10? I don't know what these guys are smoking.

It says 10/10

Average user review says 4.7/10

[io]

I finally played the demo. It's OK I guess, just not my sort of thing. I was, however, very impressed with the graphics and, moreso, the art deco/creepy style to it. While I would have completely ignored a game like this in the past, I'm intrigued enough now to think about picking it up when it is is a PH title...

[A Happy Panda]

It says 10/10

Average user review says 4.7/10

I think 1up's user review thing is wrong. There's 6 reviews, 5 are 10s with 1 score of 8.

[jalu6]

It says 10/10

Average user review says 4.7/10

Yeah, I was joking about that. You see, everyone expects the game to get a 10/10, so me saying it was a 4/10 was funny, since it wasn't true. And as everyone knows, things aren't true are very funny.

[cdeener]

Well for those who have it please post how long it took to beat this because I won't have a 360 for a while because of the 3 red rings and want to know if this is worth buying or rental once I get my refurb 360.

[Kendro]

Scores are coming out the woodwork now. Pretty amazing that every review pretty much unanimously agrees it is a 10/10 game. I was expecting this game to be awesome (95%), but not this critically acclaimed.

http://www.metacritic.org/games/platforms/xbox360/bioshock

[Megalith]

BioShock ended the HALO series.

[anomynous]

BioShock ended the HALO series.
Bioshock will be/is awesome, but :lol: :lol:

[Trakan]

BioShock ended the HALO series.

This comment makes no sense to me.

[seanr1221]

Lets just hope the game doesn't sell like ass because it doesn't have the words Halo, GTA or Madden in the title.

[zewone]

This comment makes no sense to me.
It doesn't have to, he's insane.

[Jn64lover]

Dammit Toys R Us, why couldn't you have sold me this yesterday when I tried to buy it? :(

[ddhex27]

Its amazing that a 10 hour single player only first person shooter could score so high around the board, in a world where most reviewers and game players demand online play, 40+ hour games etc etc .

[AshesofWake]

i've never wanted a 360 so badly than now....*cries*

[A Happy Panda]

Its amazing that a 10 hour single player only first person shooter could score so high around the board, in a world where most reviewers and game players demand online play, 40+ hour games etc etc .

That's actually a good point. I'm wondering how many reviews addressed this...

I'm not too concerned with MP or length because I pretty much only play Halo online, and games that are over 20 hours I never seem to finish. But I do think these are relevant points and I truly do hope reviewers address this.

[-Never4ever-]

This comment makes no sense to me.

Agreed.

Bioshock might have a better single player than any of the three Halo games (that remains to be seen), but the allure of the Halo series has always been it's multi-player, not really the story or single player.

Wish I could still pre-order the LE / CE, but I've denied at both my local EB and GS, so I guess I'm just going to pray I'm able to get it through Gamefly.

[halfbent]

Paid off the rest of my LE today! =)

[Chacrana]

That's actually a good point. I'm wondering how many reviews addressed this...

I'm not too concerned with MP or length because I pretty much only play Halo online, and games that are over 20 hours I never seem to finish. But I do think these are relevant points and I truly do hope reviewers address this.

I can't understand how not having multiplayer is a bad thing in a game where the focus is on immersing you in an experience that would only work in a single player game. Hopefully no reviewers are taking away points for something so trivial.

[A Happy Panda]

I can't understand how not having multiplayer is a bad thing in a game where the focus is on immersing you in an experience that would only work in a single player game. Hopefully no reviewers are taking away points for something so trivial.

The game is estimated to be 10-12 hrs. And it's an FPS. With no MP. So yeah. I'm not dissing Bioshock, but whoever originally posted that point made a good one.

[AshesofWake]

i don't understand what length has to do with the quality of the experience. a game can be 60 hours long and be a tedious piece of shit(certain japanese RPG games) and a game can be about 4/5 hours long (MGS on PSX) and be god damn amazing.

[ddhex27]

My point was that It must be a hell of a game to score so high, despite its short length and lack of "features".

I'm all for it. Quality over quantity.

[Kendro]

Added some photos to the OP. There has been sightings of broken figurines in the GameStop BioShock CE thread so make sure you check the figure in the box window before you leave the store.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5999/68079444mt6.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=68079444mt6.jpg) http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/5473/63795829ae9.th.jpg (http://img389.imageshack.us/my.php?image=63795829ae9.jpg) http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3295/60555476hg5.th.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=60555476hg5.jpg) http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9194/33930408kl3.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=33930408kl3.jpg)

[Fluxcap]

The game is estimated to be 10-12 hrs. And it's an FPS. With no MP. So yeah. I'm not dissing Bioshock, but whoever originally posted that point made a good one.

Try 20 hours, it is virtually impossible to even rush through the game in 12 hours.

It is easily an 18 to 25 hour game.

[JohnnyFoxDarko]

There's some dude playing it live right now if anyone cares to watch:
http://www.stickam.com/profile/bioshockfeed

You have to have to be registered to Stickam and then click the "live" button under his picture.

[Javery]

i don't understand what length has to do with the quality of the experience. a game can be 60 hours long and be a tedious piece of shit(certain japanese RPG games) and a game can be about 4/5 hours long (MGS on PSX) and be god damn amazing.
QFT. Game length is the last thing on my list that I care about. Plus, you can have too much of a good thing where games that are amazing are still too long. *coughokamicough* 12-15 hours is the sweet spot to me as long as there's no filler.

[Nelo Ice]

good score from ign :applause:
been playing through it and its been amazing i wasnt even gonna get this game either :lol:

even my cousins enjoy it and they dont even play, instead they ask me to play because the game is just so fun to watch :lol:

has been well worth the 47 i payed at TRU yesterday(i didnt want madden so i didnt do that deal btw)

[MemphisGun]

I Know most of you people love bioshock, and im not disrespecting that. I like a game that takes a solid week to beat. This is a 2 niter. Which is great for some, but to me, and this is MY OPINION, its a rent.
On the other hand, the story may be great. I haven't made my mind. I may be pleasntly supprised!

[Weedy649]

i already have the game coming in but im wishing i got the LE at gamestop now...especially since i signed the petition and all :(

[Milkyman]

damnit, this game comes out right at the start of my vacation, which is great but my freaking xbox died just in time to prevent me from enjoying it.

[Fluxcap]

I Know most of you people love bioshock, and im not disrespecting that. I like a game that takes a solid week to beat. This is a 2 niter. Which is great for some, but to me, and this is MY OPINION, its a rent.
On the other hand, the story may be great. I haven't made my mind. I may be pleasntly supprised!

You are going to play 2 10hr sessions? You are more hardcore than I. :applause:

[ighosty]

this game is really really hard not to buy now with such great reviews. Better come within the first week from gamefly. Better put the coffee on I'll be up.

[shrike4242]

I think Bioshock is going to end up as the best reviewed 360 game of all time, if this keeps up. 5 points higher than the next two games on Metacritic.com, GoW & Oblivion.

Kendro, thanks for posting the pics into the OP. Nice to see the packaging is even better than the Europe-specific pic from earlier. Big Daddy figure is even better than expected.

[CYRiX]

What if everything thinks Halo 3 is a 10? You can't underestimate bungie fanboyism.

[shrike4242]

What if everything thinks Halo 3 is a 10? You can't underestimate bungie fanboyism.We'll know in a month and a half, won't we?

[depascal22]

Either way, it looks like a great time to be a 360 owner.

[ighosty]

ya it is a great time to have a 360...sucks since mine just crapped out today for the second time..guess bioshock will have to wait :bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb::bomb:

[Robobandit]

Either way, it looks like a great time to be a 360 owner.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[slickkill77]

Fighting the big daddies is so much fun but soooooooooo god damn hard

[Halo05]

Quit teasing my weenus!

[mr ryles]

so bioshock, one of the best games ever?

[slickkill77]

If you liked Condemned: You will like this game. If you liked Dues Ex: You will like this game. I have played for two days now and I dont know how many hours in but I am engrossed. The story is so strange and twisted that you want to find out what is going on. Figuring out how to fight Big Daddies and Splicers with your different plasmids is also tons of fun because they are so diverse and throw so many different things at you...Know they throw the camera at me so we will see where this goes.


This game is definitely one of those games that you have to play. Whether you rent or buy. It is in the same echilon or slightly below Half Life 2, Halo, Zelda and Mario

[jalu6]

This game is definitely one of those games that you have to play. Whether you rent or buy. It is in the same echilon or slightly below Half Life 2, Halo, Zelda and Mario

QFT. Definitely in the same "must play if you care at all about video games" category. My previous favorite shooter was Half Life 2, and at about 3 hours in, this is up there.

[slickkill77]

Exactly. Unless you truly hate shooters then you will like this game in some way.

[daroga]

Just played the demo a little bit. Seems pretty slick, has a vibe very much like the first time I played the original Half-Life.

If Prime 3 weren't coming out a week after this I'd probably pick it up.

[zewone]

Ah yes, the 3rd title in a game you've played to death over a revolutionary, original game. Wise choice. :)

[defiance_17]

Looks like I'll be grabbing this one next week. Hopefully I can hold out on Metroid for a few weeks.

[Scorch]

Just played the demo a little bit. Seems pretty slick, has a vibe very much like the first time I played the original Half-Life.

If Prime 3 weren't coming out a week after this I'd probably pick it up.

you're batshit insane if you choose Metroid Prime 3 over Bioshock

[daroga]

Ah yes, the 3rd title in a game you've played to death over a revolutionary, original game. Wise choice. :)Mmm, yup, actually. I'm far more interested to see how "on" the Wii FPS controls are in Prime than in playing anything dual-analog for right now. That, and I've never played a Prime before, so it's a first for me :)

Not like Bioshock is going to suddenly disappear early next year when I'm likely to pick it up and play it.

[io]

you're batshit insane if you choose Metroid Prime 3 over Bioshock

Color me batshit insane, too, then ;). MP3 is a must buy, Bioshock is a must look at some time in the distant future for me. Which is saying something as I haven't played ANY of the games you all compare this too - just not my type of thing. Though if the great reviews keep pouring in, I *may* rent it some time in the next month just to give it a shot.

[JohnnyFoxDarko]

Damn, I don't know if I should get this or Blue Dragon.
I have Blue Dragon pre ordered, but now I want to change it to Bioshock because it's so damn awesome.

[RedvsBlue]

I think Bioshock is going to end up as the best reviewed 360 game of all time, if this keeps up. 5 points higher than the next two games on Metacritic.com, GoW & Oblivion.

And on Gamerankings its almost 2% higher than the highest ranked game of all time, Zelda OOT. Granted, there's still quite a few reviews to come in but quite a few have already been posted as well...

Usually I try not to get too excited about games because I get let down but I don't even think its possible with this game at this point.

[SNAKE EYES EX]

ZOMG I can not wait.

Somehow I've even kept myself from playing the demo because I don't want to ruin anything.

[Rei no Otaku]

you're batshit insane if you choose Metroid Prime 3 over Bioshock
Quoted for motherfucking truth!

[RedvsBlue]

Damn, I don't know if I should get this or Blue Dragon.
I have Blue Dragon pre ordered, but now I want to change it to Bioshock because it's so damn awesome.

Ok, this "I'm getting MP3 first over Bioshock" is one thing but to even consider getting Blue Dragon instead of Bioshock is just plain nuts.

[daroga]

Color me batshit insane, too, then ;). MP3 is a must buy, Bioshock is a must look at some time in the distant future for me. Which is saying something as I haven't played ANY of the games you all compare this too - just not my type of thing. Though if the great reviews keep pouring in, I *may* rent it some time in the next month just to give it a shot.Yup, that's about it. My game calendar is already full with Prime 3 and Halo 3 and that pesky school starting up again. But, of course, heaven forbid someone should want to play something else before Bioshock!

It looks really sweet. It's very much the "next-gen" look I've been waiting for. It has color. I really thought GoW looked like crap, but Bioshock really does things well. Who knew that the Unreal engine was capable of more than just many shades of gray and brown? ;)

[Scorch]

But, of course, heaven forbid someone should want to play something else before Bioshock!

It's not that. Hell, I'm picking up Two Worlds along with Bioshock. Metroid Prime 3 just.. honestly, have you played Metroid Prime or Prime 2 recently? Or played it after you beat it? I'm not a huge Metroid nut, I guess it'll be okay, but you'll tire of it quickly..

..and that's when i'll pick it up, i'll grab the used copies that you guys trade in towards Bioshock.

[A Happy Panda]

Yup, that's about it. My game calendar is already full with Prime 3 and Halo 3 and that pesky school starting up again. But, of course, heaven forbid someone should want to play something else before Bioshock!

It looks really sweet. It's very much the "next-gen" look I've been waiting for. It has color. I really thought GoW looked like crap, but Bioshock really does things well. Who knew that the Unreal engine was capable of more than just many shades of gray and brown? ;)

?!

[depascal22]

Wait a minute.......Gears of War looked like crap???? Really? Really?? I understand the complaints about the limited palette but doesn't a world at war look mostly brown and grey? Like someone's gonna be plantin flowers and shit in the middle of a warzone? Sorry for going OTT but that had to be said.

EDIT -- Damn you and your fast fingers, Happy Panda!

[JohnnyFoxDarko]

Ok, this "I'm getting MP3 first over Bioshock" is one thing but to even consider getting Blue Dragon instead of Bioshock is just plain nuts.

But it's over 3 discs of turn based fun.
:cry:

[io]

Ok, this "I'm getting MP3 first over Bioshock" is one thing but to even consider getting Blue Dragon instead of Bioshock is just plain nuts.

Actually, I have Blue Dragon preordered as well and the original plan was going to be for me to play it over Bioshock as it is more my style of game. However, that was back when it was hyped up and Bioshock looked like any number of other games. Now the roles have flipped and Blue Dragon is looking like just a barely above average JRPG, so I will probably wait on that. I'll just stick to Metroid for now ;). And to whoever it was that said we've "played this to death", I haven't - I played Prime almost all the way through 2 or 3 years ago and barely touched Echoes. So MP3 will be pretty fresh for me.

[daroga]

In my opinion, GoW was crap as in the style, not the execution. It obviously was technically fairly complex, but it's a shame that it's dark, gritty, colorless design didn't allow you to appreciate it.

And Scorch, no I haven't played Prime 1 or 2 recently. In fact, I've never played them. Thus, Prime 3 will be fresh as can be for me.

[zewone]

I don't even own a Wii, but I'm buying Metroid Prime 3 and borrowing my sister's Wii.

But, fuck that. If I had to choose between the two, I want something new.

[Scorch]

And Scorch, no I haven't played Prime 1 or 2 recently. In fact, I've never played them. Thus, Prime 3 will be fresh as can be for me.

Perhaps that's why you're so hyped for Prime 3. The first two got stale for me quickly.

[A Happy Panda]

In my opinion, GoW was crap as in the style, not the execution. It obviously was technically fairly complex, but it's a shame that it's dark, gritty, colorless design didn't allow you to appreciate it.

And Scorch, no I haven't played Prime 1 or 2 recently. In fact, I've never played them. Thus, Prime 3 will be fresh as can be for me.

Double ?!?!

I also just watched a video on youtube of The first chance you get to either harvest or save a Little Sister. Wow. Like. Watching the Little Sister try to run away and cower in fear from you...IDK if I could ever harvest her, despite how ugly she may look, she still is too much like a little girl, it's a little unnerving for me. On the flip side, when you do harvest her, she turns into a slug thing. Weird.

[io]

I don't even own a Wii, but I'm buying Metroid Prime 3 and borrowing my sister's Wii.

But, fuck that. If I had to choose between the two, I want something new.

Gotcha - I can understand that. It's just that for me (and I'm sure there are others) this genre of game is not for us. It irks me a bit when people claim it is a "must buy if you love any kind of games" thing. That just isn't true. Hell, the hype on this has gotten me at least to consider it, which is fairly remarkable in and of itself ;). Like I said, if it continues, I will definitely give this a rental (when it becomes available - will probably be pretty hard to find at my local Blockbuster or Hollywood for a while).

I'm just worried that if, as someone in this thread claimed, the Big Daddies are extremely hard to fight, then I'll be totally outclassed. I don't usually play any first person games (Metroid is the exception) so I'll be pretty clueless about how to play, particularly in tougher parts (though I managed part of the demo just fine).

[depascal22]

In my opinion, GoW was crap as in the style, not the execution. It obviously was technically fairly complex, but it's a shame that it's dark, gritty, colorless design didn't allow you to appreciate it.

And Scorch, no I haven't played Prime 1 or 2 recently. In fact, I've never played them. Thus, Prime 3 will be fresh as can be for me.

But that's always the double edged sword of good graphics. Splinter Cell has awesome graphics but the game isn't set in a variety of environments. That's just what the game is. You can't be pissed off going into a game that was advertised as dark and gritty. I'm not going into Bioshock wondering where the hell the sun is.

[zewone]

We as gamers, should support developers/publishers who take a chance on a new IP instead of producing another sequel, especially a brilliant one such as this.

[daroga]

I don't even own a Wii, but I'm buying Metroid Prime 3 and borrowing my sister's Wii.

But, fuck that. If I had to choose between the two, I want something new.Understandable. personal excitement aside, even a megaton game like Bioshock has a better shot at seeing a price drop before the next decade than a first party Nintendo game. I'm fairly convinced that even a year from now, Prime 3 will still be $50. Take2 has a much better track record at lowering prices, though of course Bioshock may be an exception. We'll just see :)

I wonder if my CC owes me a Best Buy gift card yet. That might get me to bite earlier ;)

[io]

We as gamers, should support developers/publishers who take a chance on a new IP instead of producing another sequel, especially a brilliant one such as this.

It doesn't look like this game will need any help from me ;). I'm sure it will be a huge seller.

[depascal22]

We as gamers, should support developers/publishers who take a chance on a new IP instead of producing another sequel, especially a brilliant one such as this.

I agree whole-heartedly. Unfortunately, the public loves sequels.

[zewone]

Understandable. personal excitement aside, even a megaton game like Bioshock has a better shot at seeing a price drop before the next decade than a first party Nintendo game. I'm fairly convinced that even a year from now, Prime 3 will still be $50. Take2 has a much better track record at lowering prices, though of course Bioshock may be an exception. We'll just see :)

I wonder if my CC owes me a Best Buy gift card yet. That might get me to bite earlier ;)
So, since Nintendo hates price drops you're going to support that instead?

That sucks, but it's your money/gameplaying time.

[Scorch]

Understandable. personal excitement aside, even a megaton game like Bioshock has a better shot at seeing a price drop before the next decade than a first party Nintendo game. I'm fairly convinced that even a year from now, Prime 3 will still be $50.

The Metroid Prime series is actually the one series that usually doesn't hold up well in pricing. MP went almost directly to the clearance bin, Metroid Prime 2 dropped from $49.99 to $14.99 in 6 months.

But enjoy it, it'll be decent. I hope. I'm looking forward to it, but not on launch day. I'll give it a rent or two

[daroga]

So, since Nintendo hates price drops you're going to support that instead?

That sucks, but it's your money/gameplaying time.Not saying I agree with it, but I see no reason not to get the game right away if its not going to see a price drop for a long time. Actually, waiting and then buying it at full price a ways down the line would be doing far more to "support" their pricing strategy than buying it upfront. But, I'm not actively supporting anything corporately with my purchase. Prime 3 has a lot more that interests me than Bioshock does at the moment (e.g., is the FPS a viable genre for the Wii?).

You guys enjoy now. I'll be around to catch up soon. :)

[io]

The flip side of the argument (in favor of buying Metroid at release) is that half (well, OK, maybe 1/4) of CAG runs around putting down the Wii with the it's two Gamecubes duct taped together with added waggle meme (though that seems to have died a bit recently). So I say it is entirely necessary to support "hardcore" games on the Wii (something that isn't a mini-game compilation at any rate). So there ;). These types of games will always come out for the 360, no problem.

Edit: Responding to Daroga below so as not to make yet another post - I actually composed this message at the same time as your last one - we're talking in parallel and not really addressing each other :lol:

Anyway, I've made my point and am done as well - continue on with the regularly scheduled Bioshock hype!

And to get you back on track, here's the metacritic page for it:
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/bioshock
98/100 average on 11 reviews - that really is phenomenal!

Blue Dragon is getting a respectable 82, which surprises me given the amount CAGs seem to hate it.

[daroga]

The flip side of the argument (in favor of buying Metroid at release) is that half (well, OK, maybe 1/4) of CAG runs around putting down the Wii with the it's two Gamecubes duct taped together with added waggle meme (though that seems to have died a bit recently). So I say it is entirely necessary to support "hardcore" games on the Wii (something that isn't a mini-game compilation at any rate). So there ;). These types of games will always come out for the 360, no problem.:lol:

Alrighty, let's stop this talk now, or move it to the general gaming thread. I didn't mean to derail everything with one little comment. ;)

[Eastsidecracker]

Wow this game is receiving great reviews. Definitely a pick up later during a price drop or sale, maybe I can get a new HDTV and setup the surround sound for it to be really enjoyable. Demo was fun, felt like what I was expecting for condemned plus a lot more.

[defiance_17]

ZOMG I can not wait.

Somehow I've even kept myself from playing the demo because I don't want to ruin anything.

Same here.

I'm not even a huge fan of shooters in general, and I know almost nothing about this game, but you simply can't deny consistent praise like this. I'll be picking this up Tuesday morning on my way to work, full price and all.

[jalu6]

Since someone mentioned originality before, I will say this:

I was playing it earlier tonight, and my wife (who plays enough games with me to know what she's doing) walked past the TV, and after glancing at it, asked me what part of Oblivion this was.

I called her a dumb broad and sent her back to the kitchen (not true), but afterward it sort of struck me how it could totally appear that way. First person, melee weapon in right hand, magic in the left. Look fast enough and you really can't tell the difference between a splicer and an imp. Here you hack, there you lockpick. Even the HUD. They call it Eva, but it's really just a art-deco mana bar.

I do think the game is very original, but its funny that there will always be some sort of gaming conventions that will never change.

[getmyrunon]

I'm just worried that if, as someone in this thread claimed, the Big Daddies are extremely hard to fight, then I'll be totally outclassed.

You would actually not play a game for fear of it being too difficult?

[Moxio]

Since someone mentioned originality before, I will say this:

I was playing it earlier tonight, and my wife (who plays enough games with me to know what she's doing) walked past the TV, and after glancing at it, asked me what part of Oblivion this was.

I called her a dumb broad and sent her back to the kitchen (not true), but afterward it sort of struck me how it could totally appear that way. First person, melee weapon in right hand, magic in the left. Look fast enough and you really can't tell the difference between a splicer and an imp. Here you hack, there you lockpick. Even the HUD. They call it Eva, but it's really just a art-deco mana bar.

I do think the game is very original, but its funny that there will always be some sort of gaming conventions that will never change.

EVE mang, EVE! :P

But on the other hand, :boxing: for getting it early. :lol:

[mr ryles]

Since someone mentioned originality before, I will say this:

I was playing it earlier tonight, and my wife (who plays enough games with me to know what she's doing) walked past the TV, and after glancing at it, asked me what part of Oblivion this was.

I called her a dumb broad and sent her back to the kitchen (not true), but afterward it sort of struck me how it could totally appear that way. First person, melee weapon in right hand, magic in the left. Look fast enough and you really can't tell the difference between a splicer and an imp. Here you hack, there you lockpick. Even the HUD. They call it Eva, but it's really just a art-deco mana bar.

I do think the game is very original, but its funny that there will always be some sort of gaming conventions that will never change.

ya the underwater cities and toting a revolver and a wrench where also my favorite parts of oblivion.

[Sarang01]

ya the underwater cities and toting a revolver and a wrench where also my favorite parts of oblivion.

snickers. What's up ryles?

[Liquid 2]

Thanks for the heads up on the breaking dolls action figures, OP. I'll make sure to open mine in store.

[Maynard]

Man I cannot wait for this game I cannot stop thinking about how I have been waiting for another Shock game since System Shock 2 ugggghhhhhhhh.:drool:

[triforcer]

going back to the comparison to metroid prime, while MP was fun, looked, and sounded great, it was really lacking in the story department. because of that, in retrospect it's not that memorable of a game at all, the music is probably the best thing in it for me. the series needs to evolve with the competition actually having compelling stories.

after playing the bioshock demo i already know it has more story than MP.

[Strider Turbulence]

going back to the comparison to metroid prime, while MP was fun, looked, and sounded great, it was really lacking in the story department. because of that, in retrospect it's not that memorable of a game at all, the music is probably the best thing in it for me. the series needs to evolve with the competition actually having compelling stories.

after playing the bioshock demo i already know it has more story than MP.


That's probably true (although I personally loved the original MP's story) but the playabilty is there. I think I'm gonna still get Bioshock first and MP3 later, and that's mostly because Bioshock had a demo (something I really wish MP3 had) that impressed me (didn't really care for it before).

[triforcer]

looking at some videos for MP3, it looks like they're bringing new characters and fleshing out the universe. i say it's about time because they've had this cool female protagonist and all we know is her name and what she looks like. for all we know she could be a real bitch :)

[io]

You would actually not play a game for fear of it being too difficult?

I didn't say I wouldn't play it, but it does concern me in terms of getting it as a rental if I end up getting stuck somewhere. I don't play all these FPS games 24 hours a day like you guys, after all :lol:. If difficult = frustrating and having to play the same level 40 times, then I wouldn't like that (reference what Wombat said about Scobie and GoW in the latest CAGcast). Not that I mind retrying in genres I enjoy - this one, I'd probably get bored with retrying again and again (IF that's the case). Though I did notice it had an easy mode (I did normal on the demo).

[triforcer]

I didn't say I wouldn't play it, but it does concern me in terms of getting it as a rental if I end up getting stuck somewhere. I don't play all these FPS games 24 hours a day like you guys, after all :lol:. If difficult = frustrating and having to play the same level 40 times, then I wouldn't like that (reference what Wombat said about Scobie and GoW in the latest CAGcast). Not that I mind retrying in genres I enjoy - this one, I'd probably get bored with retrying again and again (IF that's the case). Though I did notice it had an easy mode (I did normal on the demo).well there is a difficulty setting and if i'm not mistaken when you get killed you don't start over.

[Javery]

I didn't say I wouldn't play it, but it does concern me in terms of getting it as a rental if I end up getting stuck somewhere. I don't play all these FPS games 24 hours a day like you guys, after all :lol:. If difficult = frustrating and having to play the same level 40 times, then I wouldn't like that (reference what Wombat said about Scobie and GoW in the latest CAGcast). Not that I mind retrying in genres I enjoy - this one, I'd probably get bored with retrying again and again (IF that's the case). Though I did notice it had an easy mode (I did normal on the demo).

I think I read some where that even if you die your enemies don't heal. So for example if you are fighting a big daddy and get 1/3 of its health down and die when you respawn you will be fighting a big daddy with 2/3 of it's health left. Eventually you will beat him.

I am also worried about my general suckiness at FPS games (I kept getting killed at the end of the demo on medium) but I'm not going ot let that stop me from enjoying what could be the best game of the year. I'm actually looking forward to the audio experience the most - the demo creeped me out - especially the little sister!

[ananag112]

Damn son. BioShock is getting amazing reviews all over. I was going to buy this game in December as I won't have time to game in September, but after seeing these scores, I MUST get the game ASAP. This will likely go down as the best game of the year.

[catapult37]

I have a bit of a problem. I actually managed to get my wife interested in this game and its storyline. She was pretty impressed with the art direction and the opening. the only thing is, she HATES needles, and there is no way she can keep watching me play this thing if the main character is going to jam (and I mean jam!) a needle into his wrist every 20 seconds! Why on earth did they have to put that animation in there? I have no problem with needles, but even I don't really feel like watching that all the time.

Otherwise, amazing game.. I can't wait for the retail version. Anyone out there agree with me on the other stuff?

[lordwow]

With these reviews I'm glad I preordered the CE.

[Mr Unoriginal]

I have a bit of a problem. I actually managed to get my wife interested in this game and its storyline. She was pretty impressed with the art direction and the opening. the only thing is, she HATES needles, and there is no way she can keep watching me play this thing if the main character is going to jam (and I mean jam!) a needle into his wrist every 20 seconds! Why on earth did they have to put that animation in there? I have no problem with needles, but even I don't really feel like watching that all the time.

Otherwise, amazing game.. I can't wait for the retail version. Anyone out there agree with me on the other stuff?

No. No one does. I would hope you don't really like bashing people over the head with a wrench after electrocuting them, but you do plenty of that in the game.

[Radioactive_Man]

I don't mind the needles at all and I fuking hate needles. What I do mind is the way the body's look stiff for a second when you kill someone besides a big daddy. Other than that complaint this game is a fuking amazing piece of work. I've been up since 12am playing it.

[Monsta Mack]

If Gamespot gives this a high score then we have the OOT of FPS. Meaning this is gonna be in the top five games of all time. I wonder if Gamespot will play bad guy again and give it a low rating? Me wonders.

[A Happy Panda]

If Gamespot gives this a high score then we have the OOT of FPS. Meaning this is gonna be in the top five games of all time. I wonder if Gamespot will play bad guy again and give it a low rating? Me wonders.

I still can't believe how mad people were at GS over Zelda. 8.8. Get over it. It's a score. If you like it who the fuck cares. Scored higher than what it deserved if you ask me.

Back on OT. Since GS changed their ratings to only whole numbers and .5s, I predict a 9.0 and the internet will catch on fire from the "outrage". In reality, it probably would've been a 9.3. A slim chance for a 9.5, with no chance for a 10/10.

[darthbudge]

This may not be new info but GAMESTOP BROKE RELEASE DATE! I went yesterday to preorder my LE copy and the guy told me that they changed the release date and it is today! So everybody you should be able to go into gamestop and get your copy right now. Also he let me hold and look at the LE box and it was awesome. The Big Daddy figurine is way nicer then I thought it was gonna be. I should be going in in about an hour to pick up my copy.

[Kendro]

I just called 2 local GameStops and both stated the 21st.

[A Happy Panda]

I'm pretty sure his store is just slow to react....

darthbudge IDK if you know....I would hope you do...TRU broke release date on Tuesday and almost shut down the internet. They've since corrected the problem. Also some GS's have been reported to break release, but for the most part, both chains stopped selling the game early.

[Clockwork Alex]

I'm so hoping my 360 doesn't die at least until the end of the year. I get a little anxious every time I turn it on.

[jakehoss]

I think I read some where that even if you die your enemies don't heal. So for example if you are fighting a big daddy and get 1/3 of its health down and die when you respawn you will be fighting a big daddy with 2/3 of it's health left. Eventually you will beat him.

This is True. Im about 3.5 - 4 hrs into the game (and in love with it) and I was fighting a big daddy last night and just as i was about to kill him a random grunt killed me and i was pissed. Then when i made it back to the room The big Daddy and little Sistier were still there and i was suprised to find him with only a fraction of health. One Freezing plasmid blast :cold: and 5 armor piercing rounds from the old tommy gun did the trick. The i really like the way the respawn system works in this game. It dosent "punish" you for dieing but instead makes you rethink your approach of the area in which you died.

[mykevermin]

:lol: My wife's about to throttle my neck from all the stores I've craned my neck towards, thinking, "I wonder if *they* broke street date on Bioshock?"

Her: "That's a PetSmart, dumbass!"

[PhoenixT]

:lol: My wife's about to throttle my neck from all the stores I've craned my neck towards, thinking, "I wonder if *they* broke street date on Bioshock?"

Her: "That's a PetSmart, dumbass!"

Thats funny I don't care who you are :lol:. I"m looking forward to picking this up this coming week man I"m gonna be soooo broke this christmas season.

[Scorch]

I think i'm going to get the CE and leave it sealed. I have extra credit to burn at work, I think I'll pick up both versions.

[darthbudge]

Yeah I know that TRU broke release date but I figured that GS wouldn't do it because they are a bit more reputable in their market. Also it may just be my GS because the manager is really cool and will often do things like this cause he understands what the gamers want.

[Apossum]

Yeah I know that TRU broke release date but I figured that GS wouldn't do it because they are a bit more reputable in their market. Also it may just be my GS because the manager is really cool and will often do things like this cause he understands what the gamers want.



don't stores get charged a couple thousand per copy that they sell before the street date?

[lordwow]

I told my gf this morning I think Bioshock will end up with a 9.5 from Gamespot. If it gets a 10 it'll probably be game of the year. If it ends up with a 9.0 there will be massive outrages.

[Scorch]

cause he understands what the gamers want.
It has nothing to do with "understanding what gamers want" and has everything to do with not wanting to pay several hundreds of thousands of dollars per copy sold. You may have been told it's today, but I wouldn't celebrate until I had a copy in my own hand.

I just called my local GS. Tuesday.

//edit: Put me down for a 9.4 from Gamespot

[mykevermin]

not wanting to pay several hundreds of thousands of dollars per copy sold.

:rofl:

[A Happy Panda]

It has nothing to do with "understanding what gamers want" and has everything to do with not wanting to pay several hundreds of thousands of dollars per copy sold. You may have been told it's today, but I wouldn't celebrate until I had a copy in my own hand.

I just called my local GS. Tuesday.

//edit: Put me down for a 9.4 from Gamespot

It's gotta be a 9, 9.5 or 10! They have silly new ratings..

[CAG 79]

I just came back from paying off my pre-orders of Stranglehold and Bioshock CE. I asked if I could have it today but no dice. I can get it first thing Tuesday morning. At least he told me that none of the Big Daddy figures came broken. Apparently they had to fill out some kind of report on how many units were broken and send it back to 2K.

Btw, I think Gamespot will give this game a 9.5

[seanr1221]

I think Gamespot will be 'different' and give it a 8.5

[thrustbucket]

So if mobs actually retain their damage after you die, I see no reason NOT to play this game on hard. Unless you have to play it on easier difficulty for achievements.

[pimpinc333]

I bet Gamespot will give this a solid 7.5.

[Surferflames]

As much as I worry that this game will be too short, there isn't much coming out until November so I just preordered the regular edition at gamestop. This will clear out the rest of my credit so I don't have to go there much anymore. (My regular store used to rock but it's all new stereotypical gamestop people.)

The girl told me they are doing the Midnight thing so I can grab it early-ish I suppose. Either way I'll be sure to bring my 10% off coupon courtesy of cag.

[A Happy Panda]

As much as I worry that this game will be too short, there isn't much coming out until November so I just preordered the regular edition at gamestop. This will clear out the rest of my credit so I don't have to go there much anymore. (My regular store used to rock but it's all new stereotypical gamestop people.)

The girl told me they are doing the Midnight thing so I can grab it early-ish I suppose. Either way I'll be sure to bring my 10% off coupon courtesy of cag.

...Halo....?

[hollowfreak]

Damn son. BioShock is getting amazing reviews all over. I was going to buy this game in December as I won't have time to game in September, but after seeing these scores, I MUST get the game ASAP. This will likely go down as the best game of the year.


With these reviews I'm glad I preordered the CE.

They're just reviews kiddies, remember that they aren't always right and they aren't always unbiased ... remember a little game called Halo 2 with graphics that glitchy and it still scored unbelievably high, it's only saving grace was the incredible multi-player.

[Surferflames]

...Halo....?
Rental...? It's not my bag. I'll play co-op but honestly the multiplayer just doesn't do it for me. Since it scares every other publisher, nothing else on the horizon until a month later it seems :(

[Megalith]

Did someone here say that the game was only 10 hours?

I'm already past 12 hours and I haven't even been past half of the areas (according to the elevator menu).

[dmaul1114]

I thought most discussion had put it at closer to 20 hours...

[ighosty]

Jack Thompson is coming after bioshock, gamers beware.

http://xbox360.qj.net/-Jack-Thompson-I-m-a-game-violence-expert-and-BioShock-is-in-trouble/pg/49/aid/100167

This guy should of stopped after the penny comic thing. He's going to get hazed even more for this one.

[Theduck]

Yeah, this game is insanely long. I honestly don't give a fuck about Halo and Metroid anymore. Like I still will buy em, but I was anticipating them so much untill I played this game. The innovation, voicework, environments, interactives, oh my! It reminds me of Halo when it first came out. Sleeper hit that sells consoles.

[Hitze]

Jeff Gerstmann, who I think will review BioShock at GameSpot, didn't seem overly impressed with it. I'm guessing an 8.5 from GameSpot, just because they hate things.

[A Happy Panda]

*sigh* They gave ONE game a JUST score, which I still think was too high for Zelda: The Ocarina of More of the Same.

[seen]

Jeff Gerstmann, who I think will review BioShock at GameSpot, didn't seem overly impressed with it. I'm guessing an 8.5 from GameSpot, just because they hate things.

Unless you give out enough free copies for all the employee's

[Hitze]

*sigh* They gave ONE game a JUST score, which I still think was too high for Zelda: The Ocarina of More of the Same.

I'm not talking about Twilight Princess; I haven't even played the game. Gamespot has always rated games lower than everyone else.

[Sockey]

Can anybody who has it tell me if the subtitle sync is improved from the demo?

[A Happy Panda]

I'm not talking about Twilight Princess; I haven't even played the game. Gamespot has always rated games lower than everyone else.

This is true. I feel like before GS had the honor of being known as the website that had tough reviews. Whereas sites like IGN, which more than often overrates games. But ever since GS' TP review came out, the internet game community is just like "Oh holy shit! They gave TP what?!" and now, everyone seems to ignore GS if they're even just a couple points below the average score of whatever videogame.

[Loyalty]

i can't wait for this game

[Masterkyo]

I'll wait till it drop down $20-$30 like PREY :)

[PyroGamer]

This is true. I feel like before GS had the honor of being known as the website that had touch reviews. Whereas sites like IGN, which more than often overrates games. But ever since GS' TP review came out, the internet game community is just like "Oh holy shit! They gave TP what?!" and now, everyone seems to ignore GS if they're even just a couple points below the average score of whatever videogame.And it's probably their most spot-on review, too.

I wonder to think that Twilight Princess would be the best reviewed game of all time hadn't GS stepped up and rated the game objectively.

[elwood731]

GameSPot is hit and miss. Some games they review far too low, while others they review far too high. They gave Halo 2 a 9.6 or a 10.0 I think. That's wya too high, in my mind. Low 9s at the highest for a game with a forgettable single-player. But reviews are always subjective, so you can't read too much into them.

[pimpinc333]

I'll wait till it drop down $20-$30 like PREY :)

I doubt it will drop as fast as PREY did.

[triforcer]

i usually just rely on metacritic, but i do hold more respect for gamespot because they do review stuff harder. so when a game gets a good score from gamespot you know it deserved it.

[brandonabley]

This is true. I feel like before GS had the honor of being known as the website that had tough reviews. Whereas sites like IGN, which more than often overrates games. But ever since GS' TP review came out, the internet game community is just like "Oh holy shit! They gave TP what?!" and now, everyone seems to ignore GS if they're even just a couple points below the average score of whatever videogame.

Yeah, I seriously would have rated the Wii version of Twilight Princess a 7 or 8 and would have seriously warned anyone interested that it's a brilliant but ridiculously awkward game.

Anyway

Bioshock is my top game. I'm psyched OUT OF MY MIND for this -- no kidding.

[slickkill77]

Well I have played about 5 hours in and man I am engrossed. Its been a long time since I saw something and said damn but when you fight the Big Daddies you fear for your life....

[hollowfreak]

Yeah, I seriously would have rated the Wii version of Twilight Princess a 7 or 8 and would have seriously warned anyone interested that it's a brilliant but ridiculously awkward game.

Anyway

Bioshock is my top game. I'm psyched OUT OF MY MIND for this -- no kidding.

funny, I never found it too awkward just ridiculously easy and extremely short.