BIOSHOCK - Gen. Discussion & Info

[io]

All right, ENOUGH with the Zelda bashing! And Daroga and I thought we derailed this thread enough trying to explain why we wanted MP3 over Bioshock - at least those are two competing games coming out nearly at the same time and 1 is the subject of the thread. Zelda has nothing to do with this :lol:.

(And Zelda short?? I am only about halfway through - I admit, I stopped playing months ago but will return to it. I'm at least 20-30 hours into it though and nowhere near the end. It sounds significantly longer than Bioshock at any case).

And you guys are a bit hypocritical if you are going to be all upset if Gamespot gives your precious little game ONLY a 9.0. Sheeshh... If you are into this kind of game, what the fuck difference does it make if it scores 9's or 10's? For someone who is NOT into this sort of game (like me) even perfect 10's isn't going to make me rush out and buy it - but a consistently high score may make me consider it some day. I played the demo - if this ends up the best reviewed game of all time I will be a bit disappointed (as I could think of several other games I like much better), but it only points to my tastes being different than the "mainstream" I guess. But I won't think about it for more than a minute ;).

[A Happy Panda]

All right, ENOUGH with the Zelda bashing! And Daroga and I thought we derailed this thread enough trying to explain why we wanted MP3 over Bioshock - at least those are two competing games coming out nearly at the same time and 1 is the subject of the thread. Zelda has nothing to do with this :lol:.

(And Zelda short?? I am only about halfway through - I admit, I stopped playing months ago but will return to it. I'm at least 20-30 hours into it though and nowhere near the end. It sounds significantly longer than Bioshock at any case).

And you guys are a bit hypocritical if you are going to be all upset if Gamespot gives your precious little game ONLY a 9.0. Sheeshh... If you are into this kind of game, what the fuck difference does it make if it scores 9's or 10's? For someone who is NOT into this sort of game (like me) even perfect 10's isn't going to make me rush out and buy it - but a consistently high score may make me consider it some day. I played the demo - if this ends up the best reviewed game of all time I will be a bit disappointed (as I could think of several other games I like much better), but it only points to my tastes being different than the "mainstream" I guess. But I won't think about it for more than a minute ;).

Well....I'm not "bashing" Zelda per se. I'm just saying it was overrated, and GS was very much warranted with their "low score" of 8.8 (should've been 8.0 - 8.5)

Your second point was what I was trying to get across earlier. Scores don't matter. When people saw the Zelda review, the internet almost caught on fire. going OMG!!! 8.8. I agree. Who cares, if you like it, it doesn't matter. Just like for Bioshock, multiple posters have been saying "Oh just watch GS give it a 7" WHO CARES. Play it and like it.

EDIT: Sounded a bit contradictory there. For those who liked Zelda, good for you. I stopped playing after about 33 hours, and I think 1 1/2 temples away from beating the game. After those 33 hours, I thought about it and was like "Hmm...that felt very...mediocre. Good. But stale."

[ViolentLee]

funny, I never found it too awkward just ridiculously easy and extremely short.
I'm going to go on a limb and assume you did not play through Zelda: TP. Either that, or A) you're an immortal vampire with an unlimited blood supply and nothing but time on your hands, or B) the only other games you played were 100+ hour RPGs like Disgaea and Oblivion.

[dmaul1114]

Yeah, I don't get the length complaints for Zelda.

It took me 45 hours to beat it, and I didn't do hardly any sidequests or minigames. I didn't use any guides or gamefaqs either though.

[hollowfreak]

I'm going to go on a limb and assume you did not play through Zelda: TP. Either that, or A) you're an immortal vampire with an unlimited blood supply and nothing but time on your hands, or B) the only other games you played were 100+ hour RPGs like Disgaea and Oblivion.

Heh, no I finished it, killed the big dumb pig, chased Ganondork around a bit and then stuck him like the pig. No I didn't collect everything but I did complete the Cave of Ordeals, It took me a little under a month (a few hours a night, and on weekends) then I started playing it through a second time and got bored and eventually just stopped playing it ... which is probably what will happen with BioShock (save! back on topic) the demo was way too easy on normal.

[JohnnyFoxDarko]

Would anyone here like to trade their Bioshock from my Blue Dragon once we're both done with them? :lol:

[-Never4ever-]

All right, ENOUGH with the Zelda bashing! And Daroga and I thought we derailed this thread enough trying to explain why we wanted MP3 over Bioshock - at least those are two competing games coming out nearly at the same time and 1 is the subject of the thread. Zelda has nothing to do with this :lol:.

(And Zelda short?? I am only about halfway through - I admit, I stopped playing months ago but will return to it. I'm at least 20-30 hours into it though and nowhere near the end. It sounds significantly longer than Bioshock at any case).

And you guys are a bit hypocritical if you are going to be all upset if Gamespot gives your precious little game ONLY a 9.0. Sheeshh... If you are into this kind of game, what the fuck difference does it make if it scores 9's or 10's? For someone who is NOT into this sort of game (like me) even perfect 10's isn't going to make me rush out and buy it - but a consistently high score may make me consider it some day. I played the demo - if this ends up the best reviewed game of all time I will be a bit disappointed (as I could think of several other games I like much better), but it only points to my tastes being different than the "mainstream" I guess. But I won't think about it for more than a minute ;).

Welcome to my nightmare. Also, stay away from the PS3 boards. Those jokers will drive you nuts.

[KaneRobot]

This is true. I feel like before GS had the honor of being known as the website that had tough reviews. Whereas sites like IGN, which more than often overrates games. But ever since GS' TP review came out, the internet game community is just like "Oh holy shit! They gave TP what?!"

Yes. And this is why Gamespot's reviews are generally the most reliable. They seem to actually have some resemblance of standards...at least some of the time.

Oh, and if anyone flips out because their precious game scores a ZERO-POINT-FIVE LESS THAN WHAT THEY DETERMINE IS CORRECT, they can go fucking kill themselves.

[PyroGamer]

To divert from the topic of TP and GS:


I thought the demo was AMAZING. I've never been so enthralled and captivated in my life. The part where they give you control of the player, and he's in the water... AMAZING! Flawless transition from cutscene to gameplay. The rest of that felt like a user-controller cutscene. BRILLIANT. The cinematic feel of it makes me pray that Heavy Rain will be released with a 1st person perspective.


My only complaints:

1. Loading screens... wtf? Huh? Seriously... did we really need a load scene just as I was entering rapture? It completely jolted me from my enthralment with the game. Had that been taken out, my experience would have been DRASTICTLY improved.

2. Tired shooting gameplay. I'm very worried this is a bit too much shooter for me. I've played so many shooters... I don't know if I can handle more of the same.


But anyways, the demo ASTOUNDED me, and I will definitely have to pick this up somehow, despite being COMPLETELY broke.

[Javery]

God I wish I had a working 360.

[PyroGamer]

God I wish I had a working 360.
So get one, silly!

Are you waiting for it to be replaced, or what?

[AK85]

Can't wait for Tuesday, I have to work in the morning and have some mandatory stuff to go to at school, but I am going to try to get out of there as soon as possible. I do know that I will be wearing this (http://www.threadless.com/product/826/The_Leftover) on tuesday.

[triforcer]

whatever happened to that supposed 40 dollar ad deal for bioshock? was it pretty much fake?

[argyle]

Can't wait for Tuesday, I have to work in the morning and have some mandatory stuff to go to at school, but I am going to try to get out of there as soon as possible. I do know that I will be wearing this (http://www.threadless.com/product/826/The_Leftover) on tuesday.



I have an alert set for this one. (http://www.threadless.com/product/911/Dead_Sucker) As soon as it gets reprinted, it's mine! :)

[JohnnyFoxDarko]

I have an alert set for this one. (http://www.threadless.com/product/911/Dead_Sucker) As soon as it gets reprinted, it's mine! :)

Wow, that one is great.
I've always wanted a threadless shirt, but I've never gotten one.
Though I plan on getting one/some pretty soon.
I'd love to get that one, but it's sold out and needs to be reprinted. If it does.

[SynGamer]

Wow, that one is great.
I've always wanted a threadless shirt, but I've never gotten one.
Though I plan on getting one/some pretty soon.
I'd love to get that one, but it's sold out and needs to be reprinted. If it does.

Whats the quality with threadless shirts? Better than Hanes?

[triforcer]

Whats the quality with threadless shirts? Better than Hanes?they probably are hanes, but it's the printing quality you should look at which is good.

[rabbitt]

I completed the game last night. It was excellent.

[Maklershed]

I completed the game last night. It was excellent.
:bomb:

I want it now damnit! Is you avatar a Bioshock acheivement?

[moonknight25]

Im about halfway done.....it gets very intense in later areas!! I played this untill 5 in the morning today and I was hooked!

[SynGamer]

Just placed my order through the free 360 games site. Can't wait to play this game, especially after the demo :)

[regisphilbi0]

I ususally don't buy games at launch, but PMing this for $50 to BB next week is VERY tempting. All the talk of how amazing this game is... I am DYING to play it.

[SynGamer]

they probably are hanes, but it's the printing quality you should look at which is good.
True...but if the shirt can't hold up after a few washings than the print quality means nothing ;) I'll probably order one later when they have a deal.

[defiance_17]

True...but if the shirt can't hold up after a few washings than the print quality means nothing ;) I'll probably order one later when they have a deal.
I believe they're Fruit of the Loom, but I could be wrong. I've been ordering from them somewhat regularly for the last 18 months or so, and all the shirts have held up really well. Obviously, the older ones don't look brand new anymore, but the print isn't peeling away or anything. The only thing I've noticed is the print on the inside (where the tag used to be) is nearly gone on a couple of shirts. Not a major issue--it's a great site, great customer service, and some of the most hilarious shirts I've ever seen.

I really liked the Bioshock winners, but I couldn't pull the trigger on that Deadsucker shirt. I had it in my cart, but decided it was just too creepy for me. Had I known at the time what kind of buzz this game was going to create, I might have picked it up--I really wasn't expecting it to have GotY potential (at least).

[Mr Unoriginal]

I completed the game last night. It was excellent.

How long?

[Apossum]

True...but if the shirt can't hold up after a few washings than the print quality means nothing ;) I'll probably order one later when they have a deal.


I've had a few shirts for about 2 years and they still look fine--no fading or anything. I forget what brand of shirt they use (and I can't check b/c I'm at my folks' house right now.) All I know is that I hope they switch to American Apparel shirts sometime-- those are the most comfortable shirts I've ever worn (they must be cheap too because lots of bands use them.)

[catapult37]

I ususally don't buy games at launch, but PMing this for $50 to BB next week is VERY tempting. All the talk of how amazing this game is... I am DYING to play it.

Who is selling it for $50? 360 version, right?

[SynGamer]

I've had a few shirts for about 2 years and they still look fine--no fading or anything. I forget what brand of shirt they use (and I can't check b/c I'm at my folks' house right now.) All I know is that I hope they switch to American Apparel shirts sometime-- those are the most comfortable shirts I've ever worn (they must be cheap too because lots of bands use them.)

I have no problem with FotL or Hanes. I just want something that'll hold up. I think i'll bite and get a shirt later today if i find one i like.

[SteveMcQ]

Who is selling it for $50? 360 version, right?Bioshock for PC and 360 are $10 off the MSRP starting this Sunday at CC.

[catapult37]

Bioshock for PC and 360 are $10 off the MSRP starting this Sunday at CC.
Hell yeah!! I have BB credit, so it's time to PM! Thanks for the info.

[edit: n/m]

[slickkill77]

Make sure when you guys get it that you turn on maximize framrate. Otherwise at about 6 hours in your game will randomly freeze run for a fe minutes freeze. I turned it on and havent had any chugging

[SynGamer]

Make sure when you guys get it that you turn on maximize framrate. Otherwise at about 6 hours in your game will randomly freeze run for a fe minutes freeze. I turned it on and havent had any chugging
Um...what? Either you're kidding or referring to the PC version?

[oasisboy]

Is it worth buying the special edition? I heard the soundtrack is only 3 songs?

I will wait to get this game with the Toys Rus buy 2 get 1 free... Bioshock plus the Orange box and something else for $120 + tax....

[ighosty]

Is it worth buying the special edition? I heard the soundtrack is only 3 songs?

I will wait to get this game with the Toys Rus buy 2 get 1 free... Bioshock plus the Orange box and something else for $120 + tax....

ya i might pick it up at the next eb/gamestop B2G1F.

[linkpwns]

I can't wait for the game's release. I'm probably gonna get it at Bestbuy via Price-match

[triforcer]

ya i might pick it up at the next eb/gamestop B2G1F.is that used or new? and when?

[Maklershed]

is that used or new? and when?

As far as I know b2g1 are always used. And there's none in the works right now.

[FrankySox]

How hard do you think this game will be to come by on day 1 without a pre-order? I'm going to be at Best Buy when they open as I hope to get it there with a price match from CC's ad.

Edit: I had a bad experience with Gears of War, that was a pain in the ass to get but I finally got it late nite on day 1 release.

[tenzor]

How hard do you think this game will be to come by on day 1 without a pre-order? I'm going to be at Best Buy when they open as I hope to get it there with a price match from CC's ad.

Edit: I had a bad experience with Gears of War, that was a pain in the ass to get but I finally got it late nite on day 1 release.

shouldn't be too hard if you are there at opening.

[mr ryles]

How hard do you think this game will be to come by on day 1 without a pre-order? I'm going to be at Best Buy when they open as I hope to get it there with a price match from CC's ad.

Edit: I had a bad experience with Gears of War, that was a pain in the ass to get but I finally got it late nite on day 1 release.

Well I think most the hype for this game (to the general public) hasn't come until after the demo dropped. So right now the shit is hot fire, but the hype hasn't had long to get out to the mainstream gamers. You should be a right to pick one up day 1 off the shelf.

I have 2 gamer friends who are really just casual gamers, mostly they play Madden and Gears. And I asked them if they have played bioshock, and they both said they have never even heard of it.

[linkpwns]

I just played the demo and damn it looks like a lot of fun. I can be patient on this game until my birthday in a month though

[Kaijufan]

I have 2 gamer friends who are really just casual gamers, mostly they play Madden and Gears. And I asked them if they have played bioshock, and they both said they have never even heard of it.
My brother is also a pretty casual Gears/Madden gamer and he's never heard of Bioshock.

[cheezisgoooood]

Okay so anyone who has the game or has been spoiled on a whole ton of the game, can you guys answer me this honest question?

Okay I've been spoiled on a few things, namely (spoilers):


Becoming a Big Daddy
Killing Atlas


How badly have I been spoiled?

[moonknight25]

Make sure when you guys get it that you turn on maximize framrate. Otherwise at about 6 hours in your game will randomly freeze run for a fe minutes freeze. I turned it on and havent had any chugging

Dude, I've had it freeze on me like 4 times. Especially when I'm saving my game:bomb: Luckily I save frequently so I didn't lose any cool plasmids or such8-)

[Chris in Cali]

I can't believe people still think you need to pre-order a videogame.

[SynGamer]

Dude, I've had it freeze on me like 4 times. Especially when I'm saving my game:bomb: Luckily I save frequently so I didn't lose any cool plasmids or such8-)

Wait, so there's actually an option on the 360 version to 'maximize' the framerate??? Please tell me you are kidding...

[moonknight25]

Wait, so there's actually an option on the 360 version to 'maximize' the framerate??? Please tell me you are kidding...

I haven't seen such an option but the framerate runs smooth. I was in a battle last night with like 6 mobs plus a big daddy and no slowdown happened what so ever. My problems came whenever I saved my game

[pimpinc333]

I can't believe people still think you need to pre-order a videogame.
You don't have to PO a Game but you DO have to pre order certain LE copies of games ;)

[Theduck]

Hacking and ice FTW.


So much fun.

[FrankySox]

I can't believe people still think you need to pre-order a videogame.
Hmm, your from Cali, you'll pry get tons of copies of this game. I didn't PO GOW and I was DAMN LUCKY to get a copy. So I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about. Maybe it's like that where you are from but not in the great state of Nebraska.

[shrike4242]

How hard do you think this game will be to come by on day 1 without a pre-order? I'm going to be at Best Buy when they open as I hope to get it there with a price match from CC's ad.

Edit: I had a bad experience with Gears of War, that was a pain in the ass to get but I finally got it late nite on day 1 release.In theory, you could order it Tuesday morning for an in-store pickup, then just do the PM on the backside when you pick it up. That would be assuming they have it up Tuesday morning for order on BB.com .

[rabbitt]

:bomb:

I want it now damnit! Is you avatar a Bioshock acheivement?

Yes.


How long?


Not sure. It felt like a full experience, if that means anything to you.

Okay so anyone who has the game or has been spoiled on a whole ton of the game, can you guys answer me this honest question?

Okay I've been spoiled on a few things, namely (spoilers):


Becoming a Big Daddy
Killing Atlas


How badly have I been spoiled?

Not enough to ruin it, in my opinion. The story of BioShock seems to be more on what the gamer brings to the table, or at least what they take from the game.

[slickkill77]

Wait, so there's actually an option on the 360 version to 'maximize' the framerate??? Please tell me you are kidding...


OK you dont have the game so shhhhhhh. Yes there is an option on the 360 to do this and it helps

[cheezisgoooood]

Yes.




Not sure. It felt like a full experience, if that means anything to you.



Not enough to ruin it, in my opinion. The story of BioShock seems to be more on what the gamer brings to the table, or at least what they take from the game.
Thanks man, lol been refreshing this page to see if anyone would reply to me, but glad to hear it seriously, been waiting for this game for ages and want to be as cautious as possible from now on to keep myself away from any more spoilers.

[SynGamer]

OK you dont have the game so shhhhhhh. Yes there is an option on the 360 to do this and it helps
I'm just having a hard time wrapping my mind around the fact that there's an option to improve the framerate on a console game...the only thing i can think of is that its not necessarily the actual framerate but an element of the game?

*mind boggling*...

*Edit: feel free to PM me an explaination of all of this. It would be much appreciated :)

[RedvsBlue]

I can't believe people still think you need to pre-order a videogame.

Gamestop/EB Games No Longer Taking Bioshock LE Pre-Orders (http://kotaku.com/gaming/going%2C-going%2C-gone/gamestopeb-games-no-longer-taking-bioshock-le-pre+orders-290977.php)

...

[KwanzaaTimmy]

I'm just having a hard time wrapping my mind around the fact that there's an option to improve the framerate on a console game...the only thing i can think of is that its not necessarily the actual framerate but an element of the game?

*mind boggling*...

*Edit: feel free to PM me an explaination of all of this. It would be much appreciated :)


Ken Levine: the actual game lets you disable vsync if you like, but it's on by default.

The 360 and PC versions of the game enable you to disable vsync, which will maximize framerate at the risk of screen tearing-- I don't know about the gameplay issues the poster is referring to, but I'm sure this is the option he means.

[triforcer]

Gamestop/EB Games No Longer Taking Bioshock LE Pre-Orders (http://kotaku.com/gaming/going%2C-going%2C-gone/gamestopeb-games-no-longer-taking-bioshock-le-pre+orders-290977.php)

...well that is the limited edition...

[pimpinc333]

well that is the limited edition...

Ok......Thats' the version most people are trying to Pre Order now.....

[triforcer]

i think the original comment was directed towards the regular edition.

[SL4IN]

seeing those pics only makes the wait unbearable.

[Callandor]

Before the demo, I told myself "I can wait a few months for this." And then I go pay off a preorder during work tonight. I feel dirty, but a good dirty, like a pig cooling off in some mud.

Alas, I only have a week to beat this before Prime 3 and Blue Dragon hit...

[Megalith]

I'm screwed. I didn't get the Historian achievement when I beat the game, so it's going to take forever to go through every area again.

[triforcer]

how long was your run through?

[Megalith]

Almost 20 hours.

[moonknight25]

The game has one HELL of of a twist.....last night my jaw hit the fucking floor!!

[seanr1221]

I don't think people should feel dirty paying full price for this (or 48.88 price matching at BestBuy). After-all, a game like this only comes around every so often.

[thrustbucket]

I'm really excited to see Mass Effect and Bioshock contend for game of the year.

[Kendro]

Dammit I didn't want to know when the plot twist occurs. :bomb:

[Damian]

...twist.....
Thanks, jerk.

[ogbaka]

Almost 20 hours.

so, this 20ish hrs is only one time through? to two... cause i want the all achievements... or at lease as much as i can get

and congrats on beating the game :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Kendro]

GameSpot's review is coming this Monday by Jeff Gerstmann.

http://www.gamespot.com/users/Jeff/

inb4eightpointeight

[Azumangaman]

Ok, so...I played the demo today.
I liked it. I wasn't like OMFG NEED BUY NOW!, buts thats mostly because I really sucked at it :D
Anyway, I'm going to see if I can pre-order the LE by chance today.

[PyroGamer]

GameSpot's review is coming this Monday by Jeff Gerstmann.

http://www.gamespot.com/users/Jeff/

inb4eightpointeight
Gamespot is DEFINITELY giving this a low score, not because it's not a great game, or a game they'd like, but because no way is GameSpot going to let this game get away with being the best reviewed game in history.

[moonknight25]

Thanks, jerk.

My fault I shouldn't have said that....in my defense there so many holy shit moments in this game you will be turned upside down ;)

[XMastaCrackaX]

Heads up for anyone looking for the game early. I found a copy this morning at my local Blockbuster. Last one they had.

Good luck to anyone.

[v1et r1ce]

The demo didn't really appeal to me. I played it through but just quit when I died. I'm not saying its not a great game but meh doesn't look like I'm picking it up.

[PyroGamer]

I want this game I want this game I want this game I want this game I want this game I want this game I want this game I want this game I want this game I want this game I want this game I want this game I want this game I want this game I want this game I want this game.


I'm totally going to empty my wallet on this game. Goddamnitt, I'm too damn poor to buy all these amazing brand new games.

[Apossum]

GameSpot's review is coming this Monday by Jeff Gerstmann.

http://www.gamespot.com/users/Jeff/

inb4eightpointeight



8.7 -- "no online multiplayer, enemy bodies twitch too much on the ground after you kill them, my bulk order of cheetos didn't arrive today and I'm in a horrible mood"

[darthbudge]

So for anyone who has played the game can you tell me why it is rated for "Sexual Themes"? With as little spoilers as possible.

[Kendro]

Yes let's please keep any spoilers to a minimum if possible. I was perusing the GameFAQs BioShock forums and they are filled with posts like, "How many of you had the game spoiled but still don't mind?" Seems like jerkoffs are writing them directly in the subject line. I'm avoiding that forum like the plague, I don't care how much help I might need.

[jalu6]

Yes let's please keep any spoilers to a minimum if possible. I was perusing the GameFAQs BioShock forums and they are filled with posts like, "How many of you had the game spoiled but still don't mind?" Seems like jerkoffs are writing them directly in the subject line. I'm avoiding that forum like the plague, I don't care how much help I might need.

I'm about 5-10 hours in, and I can safely say that I haven't needed to check one FAQ so far. The map in this game is really well done, telling you where you've gone and where you haven't and if you get stuck, there's a hint button that tells you what your next step should be.

This is honestly the sort of navigation a metroid game should have.

[Wolve11]

I need a little help with this part in the game:

How do you defeat the first Big Daddy you come across? First few times i could only get his health down about 1/3 of the way.

[thrustbucket]

The only question I have to those that have played it (and maybe you should respond with spoiler tags):

Is the beginning of the game exactly like the demo? Or was the demo sort of truncated? I am specifically wondering if it actually gives you a reason to pick up a strange hypo needle and jab it in your arm in the full game. I find it so odd in the demo they aim for so much realism and hit so many things right, however just walking up to a needle and jabbing it in your arm without any motivation is a bit silly.

[SynGamer]

The only question I have to those that have played it (and maybe you should respond with spoiler tags):

Is the beginning of the game exactly like the demo? Or was the demo sort of truncated? I am specifically wondering if it actually gives you a reason to pick up a strange hypo needle and jab it in your arm in the full game. I find it so odd in the demo they aim for so much realism and hit so many things right, however just walking up to a needle and jabbing it in your arm without any motivation is a bit silly.
Keep in mind that in the demo the character is guided by the guy on the shortwave radio.

[seanr1221]

FINALLY downloaded it.

I only played the demo for about 15 minutes (didn't want to ruin too much before Tuesday) but the graphics were the most incredible thing I've ever seen from any game.

[jalu6]

The only question I have to those that have played it (and maybe you should respond with spoiler tags):

Is the beginning of the game exactly like the demo? Or was the demo sort of truncated? I am specifically wondering if it actually gives you a reason to pick up a strange hypo needle and jab it in your arm in the full game. I find it so odd in the demo they aim for so much realism and hit so many things right, however just walking up to a needle and jabbing it in your arm without any motivation is a bit silly.

The only difference is that they give you more things in the demo. You don't get the fire ability that early, and I didn't find the shotgun or machine gun until the second level. Also, there are no bots to hack. I'm sure this was done to give people more of an idea of what the game was about, but you leave the first level with only the electric power and the handgun.

As for the story, its the exact same sequence, needle and all.

[Surferflames]

Yes let's please keep any spoilers to a minimum if possible. I was perusing the GameFAQs BioShock forums and they are filled with posts like, "How many of you had the game spoiled but still don't mind?" Seems like jerkoffs are writing them directly in the subject line. I'm avoiding that forum like the plague, I don't care how much help I might need.

I have a feeling that happened to me, and as soon as I saw it I closed the tab. Hopefully what I read was incorrect, or hopefully I'll forget it by the time I get to the end.

[linkpwns]

My mom is gonna pricematch this at BB for me on tuesday because I'm gonna be on a trip. So what if I can't play it until next tuesday, but atleast I'll get 10 bux off.

Damn I want this so bad

[Bloodbooger]

The setting of this game makes me wish they gave us a Pipboy, at least I know Fallout 3 is finally coming.

FYI: It's $49.99 on Amazon, they must be keeping tabs on CC as well.
http://www.amazon.com/2K-Games-BioShock/dp/B000MKA60W/ref=pd_sim_vg_1_img/002-0722642-3668853

[shrike4242]

The setting of this game makes me wish they gave us a Pipboy, at least I know Fallout 3 is finally coming.

FYI: It's $49.99 on Amazon, they must be keeping tabs on CC as well.
http://www.amazon.com/2K-Games-BioShock/dp/B000MKA60W/ref=pd_sim_vg_1_img/002-0722642-3668853
Another reason why I keep giving Amazon money. $49.99, no tax (except for a few states) and free shipping, that's a deal on release.

[SynGamer]

Another reason why I keep giving Amazon money. $49.99, no tax (except for a few states) and free shipping, that's a deal on release.
We've seen a few releases at $49.99 this year...would be great if more online retailers released the games at $49.99 where they should be ;)

[MrGranger]

Just ordered mine from Amazon.
Love it when they price match.

[SynGamer]

Not to go off-topic but they have Assassin's Creed for $54.99 (http://www.amazon.com/UBI-Soft-Assassins-Creed/dp/B000P46NMK/ref=pd_sim_vg_3_img/102-0524105-8286514).

[shrike4242]

We've seen a few releases at $49.99 this year...would be great if more online retailers released the games at $49.99 where they should be ;)I have a copy of the LE pre-reserved, though if I didn't, I know I'd be getting it from Amazon.

[Chris Dillon]

20 hours is a good time.

[rabbitt]

So for anyone who has played the game can you tell me why it is rated for "Sexual Themes"? With as little spoilers as possible.

No true spoilers, but to be safe: At least one reference to a character having sex with multiple people. There is also a strip club.

Is the beginning of the game exactly like the demo? Or was the demo sort of truncated? I am specifically wondering if it actually gives you a reason to pick up a strange hypo needle and jab it in your arm in the full game. I find it so odd in the demo they aim for so much realism and hit so many things right, however just walking up to a needle and jabbing it in your arm without any motivation is a bit silly.

The game never comes out and explains this to you, but once you get far enough, it will make more sense.

If you really want to know. . . Your character was essentially created in a lab. As it turns out, you are being controlled, somewhat explaining the characters' willingness to jab a needle in his arm.

[moonknight25]

Well I just beat the game just now and I realized why I like this game so damn much. My favorite game of all time is Super Metroid and Bioshock has so many things in common with Metroid its not funny. Below are fucking major spoilers so read at your own risk!!:-#

The Big Daddys were similar to Metroids. They really aren't evil and are used for someone's greed and etc. Plus, the way the levels are presented, backtracking is rewarded because you can take down some of the earlier Big Daddys with better weapons and such you get later in the game. I fought the last guy at first with about 8 Big Daddys/Little Sisters left and got owned. So I went back and harvested the remaining sisters, so I could get more Adam for health and plasmids. I have three problems with this game however....one the way you respawn takes some of the urgency out of the game, cause you know you will eventully get past any encounter (except for last boss lol)......two this is what Metroid Prime 2 should have been like and it saddens me to think that Metroid could use this engine if a true "next gen" Metroid was made (think how fun grappling would be in Bioshock)....and lastly now that I've got the crappy ending from beating the game and harvesting the little sisters, I'm going to play this again and won't have time for Two Worlds:cry: Btw, I wish Samus would turn into a Metroid :lol:

[Megalith]

I actually recommend starting on the hardest difficulty level. The game is very easy on normal, in my opinion...plus, one of the achievements is only available on hard difficulty.

The Big Daddy is extremely easy if you:

1. Have the shotgun fully upgraded with electric bucks.
2. Have any explosive weapons.
3. Have Big Daddy fully researched.

BTW, has anyone found every single Accu-Vox (tape diary) yet? I checked every area extremely carefully as I played, and I still didn't get the achievement. I also seemed to have missed one weapon upgrade station...what a pain.

[moonknight25]

I found out late that I could take pictures and do more damage lol. I took out the Elite Big Daddys (the ones who are fast as fuck lol) with the crossbow mainly and by leading them into a turret trap that I hacked. The other ones (the ones without all the eyes) were very easy to beat...I used my phasmids to throw their grenades back at them. I think I'm going to take your advise on my second playthough and try it on hard. Btw, I havested every little sister and double checked on each level b4 I beat the game and no acheivement. Is the one that you have to follow, one that I need to kill? Or is it because I went back and killed them after I got all powerful? I'm going to save their asses this time because the evil ending sucked balls:cry:

[CrimGhost]

If you guys want a good laugh then check this review out haha.

http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/?p=83

[Damian]

If you guys want a good laugh then check this review out haha.

http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/?p=83
If your site is called "Sony Defense Force" what sort of credibility would you have reviewing anything?

Not to mention 2k has explicitly stated Bioshock is a 360 and GfW exclusive.

[CrimGhost]

If your site is called "Sony Defense Force" what sort of credibility would you have reviewing anything?

Not to mention 2k has explicitly stated Bioshock is a 360 and GfW exclusive.

Exactly, but I don't think the webmaster is serious. Unless it's chadwarden or something.

[Megalith]

You only get the Little Sister achievement if you don't harvest any of them.

Does anyone else feel bad when you harvest them? It just feels totally wrong...and it is.

[SynGamer]

You know...i've read all of the spoilers people have posted today/night and i think its making me even more excited to play the game! I mean, the little tips from each person are already adding up in my head as i make note of what i want to do when i play this. I think i'll stick to Normal for my first time through since i don't play FPS's at all...

[Azumangaman]

Thats why when I buy the game I'll vow to not touch a single one of them, no matter how many times I die because of it.

[CAG 79]

You only get the Little Sister achievement if you don't harvest any of them.

Does anyone else feel bad when you harvest them? It just feels totally wrong...and it is.

What is the difference?

[rabbitt]

What is the difference?

You get more Adam if you choose to Harvest a Little Sister. You get less if you choose not to, however, your kindness won't go unnoticed :)

[SynGamer]

What is the difference?
I believe the difference is;

Bad Ending - you Harvest them
Good Ending - you don't harvest them and you get the achievement

[CAG 79]

I see, thanks guys. I think I'm going to try and save them at first to see how that goes and to get the achievement.

[Apossum]

there's actually a site for the Sony Defense Force? I thought that was just a CAG joke...

[Bloodbooger]

God damn, now I want to read all the spoilers.

[Scobie]

God damn, now I want to read all the spoilers.

They're fun. Go for it. (Although they do a really great job of spoiling a lot of the game... good job on the pointed spoilers, guys!)

[SynGamer]

They're fun. Go for it. (Although they do a really great job of spoiling a lot of the game... good job on the pointed spoilers, guys!)

I don't think it will ruin the game considering it is about 20 hours long. I'm sure once i start playing i'll be completely consumed by the story that what ever happens will still be a surprising/interesting :) And as i said, reading the spoilers should help me during my first time through.

[Sulik2]

Holy crap. Folks do you realize this game is on pace to be the best reviewed game of all time?!?!

I am stunned by these reviews, every single site with a review has absolutely loved this game. I enjoyed the demo but man oh man am I looking forward to this game now.

[thrustbucket]

Holy crap. Folks do you realize this game is on pace to be the best reviewed game of all time?!?!

I am stunned by these reviews, every single site with a review has absolutely loved this game. I enjoyed the demo but man oh man am I looking forward to this game now.

It's also going to have a negative effect, because it will get peoples hopes up way too high. People will be buying this game a few months from now simply because "everyone was raving about it" and they are bound to be disappointed from having expectations set too high.

Actually I expect a number of people, after Tuesday, to be saying "It was good, but not as good as everyone made it sound". Mark my words.

[Slate]

If you guys want a good laugh then check this review out haha.

http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/?p=83

Man, What a :newbie:

[Kaijufan]

Man, What a :newbie:
The funniest thing is when he says how the DVD format held back Bioshock's graphics, when the PC version, which includes Direct X 10, fits on one DVD.

[Sulik2]

It's also going to have a negative effect, because it will get peoples hopes up way too high. People will be buying this game a few months from now simply because "everyone was raving about it" and they are bound to be disappointed from having expectations set too high.

Actually I expect a number of people, after Tuesday, to be saying "It was good, but not as good as everyone made it sound". Mark my words.

I highly doubt it really is the best game of all time. But I am more excited b/c the quality of the demo seems to hold true through the whole game. If that is so I am sure this will be one of my favorite game experiences in a long time.

You are exactly right about people saying good but not that good. Same thing happened with gears of war. The only way for a game to be the best of all time is personal opinion. There are great games all can agree on, but best game comes down to personal preference and just what tickles your fancy.

[slickkill77]

I am loving this game. The story was/is definitly a surprise and I can not wait to finish it

[Megalith]

Hmm, I do have one single complaint.

I've noticed that the subtitles are terribly out of sync with the dialogue...typically the subtitles dissapear before a character finishes speaking. And this is the only game where I've turned the subtitles on, since it is really hard to make out what the characters are saying sometimes, in the midst of the SFX.

Maybe a patch could fix it.

[paz9x]

my amazon copy shipped 3 days ago. yay. good times are near.

[Xevious]

So....Xbox has yet another killer game. Halo 3 isn't even out yet..Sony has some catching up to do.

[SynGamer]

So....Xbox has yet another killer game. Halo 3 isn't even out yet..Sony has some catching up to do.
Pretty sure 2008 will be Sony's year; MGS4, GT5, FFXIII. Right there are three games that will sell consoles for them.

[Apossum]

This won't be the best game ever. everyone knows that's FFVII and it'll never be dethroned ever.

[SynGamer]

This won't be the best game ever. everyone knows that's FFVII and it'll never be dethroned ever.

I preferred FVIII way more than VII...

[Apossum]

I preferred FVIII way more than VII...


no VIII sukked. cloud is teh kewlest. I'm totally serious too.

[SynGamer]

no VIII sukked. cloud is teh kewlest. I'm totally serious too.

OMGZ no you didn't! I dunno, i just preferred the look of VIII over blockly Cloud. I enjoyed the story of both, but graphics-wise, VIII hands down. I actually liked IX more than 7 i think...but everyone seemed to have hated that game :(

[CrimGhost]

no VIII sukked. cloud is teh kewlest. I'm totally serious too.

ToAdally!

[Mechafenris]

Everyone knows the king of all games is Daikitana! Mutant frogs! Mutant FROGS, MAN!

Ok... maybe not. ;) But I think Bioshock will be at least more than moderately fun for an FPS... (too many times we get crap for story and ooh look! shiny multiplayer!) Honestly, how many times can capture the flag be _that_ fun? :) That's just me, of course.. ;)

I'm going to hold out for a couple of months... let the hype soak in more... and maybe get some of my other backlog done before buying it. Of course Heavenly Sword's coming... and Lair, and Mass effect in November... and possibly Two Worlds... (if it is better than the European version, I suppose). Oh, and Folklore... (is that this year? )

Great to be a gamer. :)

[SynGamer]

Does anyone think they can add multiplayer via DLC/Patch? I mean, the demo alone would have been a great level for a multiplayer battle. 8v8 perhaps or 1v8 (Big Daddy vs. Main character and look alikes/You versus Big Daddies)?

[elwood731]

Does anyone think they can add multiplayer via DLC/Patch? I mean, the demo alone would have been a great level for a multiplayer battle. 8v8 perhaps or 1v8 (Big Daddy vs. Main character and look alikes/You versus Big Daddies)?
No, it won't happen. If we get multiplayer, it will be in Bioshock 2.

[CrimGhost]

Ugh I can't believe I'll only get to play this game for acouple of days before I have to go back and start classes at PSU. I don't want to rush through the game I leave for PA on the 24th. If only this game came out a week sooner haha(I'm getting the LE version, so the normal version from TRU is out of the question), what a great way to end the Summer I guess.

[SynGamer]

Ugh I can't believe I'll only get to play this game for acouple of days before I have to go back and start classes at PSU. I don't want to rush through the game I leave for PA on the 24th. If only this game came out a week sooner haha, what a great way to end the Summer I guess.

I start on the 27th...1 week from today :(

[RiCeBo1]

This game supposed to be scary??

[Moxio]

This game supposed to be scary??

Hardly.

[-Never4ever-]

It's also going to have a negative effect, because it will get peoples hopes up way too high. People will be buying this game a few months from now simply because "everyone was raving about it" and they are bound to be disappointed from having expectations set too high.

Actually I expect a number of people, after Tuesday, to be saying "It was good, but not as good as everyone made it sound". Mark my words.

That's expected, with almost all of them coming from regs on the PS3 board.:roll:

[SteveMcQ]

That's expected, with almost all of them coming from regs on the PS3 board.:roll:"...but Killzone...have you seen it? Come on...Killzone...."

hehe

[Logg]

I guess this game is not very good. 5 out of 10

http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/?p=83

[triforcer]

I guess this game is not very good. 5 out of 10

http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/?p=83HAH! i like how he bags on the dvd format as reason for all the problems.

[Apossum]

OMGZ no you didn't! I dunno, i just preferred the look of VIII over blockly Cloud. I enjoyed the story of both, but graphics-wise, VIII hands down. I actually liked IX more than 7 i think...but everyone seemed to have hated that game :(


I dunno know, I was just joking about VII. haven't played 8. ;)

[A Happy Panda]

Hardly.

Lies. Game is creepy as shit.

[frenchninja112]

I guess this game is not very good. 5 out of 10

http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/?p=83

I read the "review" and i fid it funny how a site called "sonydefenseforce" is reviewing a 360 game. And the fact that almost all the commments on the page are saying that the game is great and the ther "reviewer and site" are for lack of a better word retarded. Now i havent played the game or the demo yet but from what i have heard from the revirews and my friends it kicks A**!! So i wouldn't even listen to that fanboy.

[Rig]

Didn't read the spoilers, but just got the demo downloaded. Methinks I will wait until later this morning to actually play the demo.

[io]

I guess this game is not very good. 5 out of 10

http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/?p=83

:rofl:

I thought the Sony Defense Force was just a term we used here on CAG for Mana Knight and others who defend Sony and their products against all comers. I had no idea there was actually a site called that. Are any CAG's involved? :lol:

[Radioactive_Man]

Just finished Bioshock. I'd say it's one of the best game's I have ever played.

[$hady]

Didn't read the spoilers, but just got the demo downloaded. Methinks I will wait until later this morning to actually play the demo.

I FINALLY got around to playing the demo last night. I now will be picking it up tuesday my plan before the demo was to just rent it a few times (free rentals) and try to squeeze through it. GREAT demo and looks like a awesome game! :bouncy:

[PhoenixT]

love how he says wait on the superior ps3 version heh. Is this game even slated to come out on the PS3 right now?

[creeeaature]

I was ready to shell out my 50$ for it, but then I started thinking. What was the last single player game I went back and played multiple times? Grand Theft Auto. Bleh, yeah I'm just realizing as great as some games have been (Gears of War, Half Life 1/2, System Shock, The Darkness, etc..) it's never the single player that ultimately 'hooks' me to the game, always the multiplayer. The lack of any MP marks this as simply a rental for me, not to discredit the game any, I'm still looking forward to it big time.

[Wolve11]

I'm about 10 hours into the game so far and I have to say I'm absolutely loving it. As a matter of fact, I'm wasting time here by posting about it while I could be playing it.
Yes you can change frame rates but I haven't played with it yet because it runs smooth for me.

To get the maximum experience, do NOT read any spoiler tags or figure out what the achievements are (secret or regular).

[KwanzaaTimmy]

Can't wait for tomorrow. :)

[m3talst0rm]

I'm planning on buying this at Best Buy tomorrow. I want to price match it and I have a bunch of reward zone coupons. Does anyone know if they accept Circuit City Coupons? I have a ten off $50 coupon for cc and I really have no desire to go there. If they take that coupon I can get BioShock for $5 (PM $50 - $10 Coupon - $35 in reward zone coupons =$5 (fingers crossed!))

[cdietschrun]

I've never done a price match before, but would like to buy this from Best Buy with Reward Zone points to help knock down the price. What can I do? I want the PC version, BTW, and I see Circuit City has it for $39.99, so can I print that website out and bring it to Best Buy tomorrow?

[dmaul1114]

Yep, print out from their website should work, or grab a copy of the CC flyer for this week as I assume it's in their as well.

[A Happy Panda]

I'm planning on buying this at Best Buy tomorrow. I want to price match it and I have a bunch of reward zone coupons. Does anyone know if they accept Circuit City Coupons? I have a ten off $50 coupon for cc and I really have no desire to go there. If they take that coupon I can get BioShock for $5 (PM $50 - $10 Coupon - $35 in reward zone coupons =$5 (fingers crossed!))

They won't let you combine offers. So I think you're stuck with paying $15.

[m3talst0rm]

They won't let you combine offers. So I think you're stuck with paying $15.

Thanks....Just thought I'd try. ;)

[slickkill77]

The person that said multiplayer hooks them...Thats true for most Fps's because they dont concentrate fully on the single player. Non of the single players are very fun imo unless 1. Its Halo or 2. It has co-op. This game is well worth whatever price you pay..In my case $30

[FoxHoundADAM]

I too will be price matching this at BB and using my reward zone money. It'll be $45 after all is said and done. Not bad for what is looking to be the game of the year.

I went from barely interested to full fledge Bioshock fanboy in 2 weeks. Amazing what a 15 minute demo can do for a great game.

[JC Monkeyballs]

I somehow managed to get Gamefly to ship this to me. So lucky. WOooOH!

[slickkill77]

Well I just finished....19 hours or so. I got 40/50 achievements. Some of the achievements are hard

[mr ryles]

Hopefully I get my copy from Amazon tomorrow. I used Overnight shipping. (Amazon Prime FTW!)

[themoor666]

Does anyone know if Walmart has these in the back already? I called yesterday asking if I can pick up Bioshock for 360 at midnight today and the employees were clueless....thanks

[Wolve11]

Well I just finished....19 hours or so. I got 40/50 achievements. Some of the achievements are hard

Awesome, I'm about 10 hours or so in right now.

I'm currently at: The part where they are killing the trees and you have to find the items before you can make the cure.

Am I at about the half way point here? I'm hoping to finish it up tonight. I won't get all that many achievements on my first play, but I'm definitely going to play give this more than one run-through.

[mr ryles]

Does anyone know if Walmart has these in the back already? I called yesterday asking if I can pick up Bioshock for 360 at midnight today and the employees were clueless....thanks
wal-mart never has a clue.

[Wolve11]

Does anyone know if Walmart has these in the back already? I called yesterday asking if I can pick up Bioshock for 360 at midnight today and the employees were clueless....thanks

Almost all stores have them in the back right now I'm sure.

[dmaul1114]

Is Gamespot always this late with reviews? I'm amazed they don't have one up yet given most of the other big sites had there's up last week.

[-Never4ever-]

I somehow managed to get Gamefly to ship this to me. So lucky. WOooOH!

Same here, can't wait till it gets to me. Hopefully I'll be playing it by wed.

[slickkill77]

Awesome, I'm about 10 hours or so in right now.

I'm currently at: The part where they are killing the trees and you have to find the items before you can make the cure.

Am I at about the half way point here? I'm hoping to finish it up tonight. I won't get all that many achievements on my first play, but I'm definitely going to play give this more than one run-through.

Yea you are just about half way through. The story get interesting from there. You cant really tell how far you are until you meet ryan. Then you'll know the end is coming

[Kendro]

LOL. After vowing never to look at GameFAQs due to douches posting spoilers in topics, I just read a game ending spoiler. Avoid those forums!

Though I don't really feel spoiled. It's kinda like telling someone who never saw Star Wars that Vader is Luke's father. They never seen it so they don't know who the characters are or how much of an impact that tidbit has.

[jalu6]

LOL. After vowing never to look at GameFAQs due to douches posting spoilers in topics, I just read a game ending spoiler. Avoid those forums!

Though I don't really feel spoiled. It's kinda like telling someone who never saw Star Wars that Vader is Luke's father. They never seen it so they don't know who the characters are or how much of an impact that tidbit has.

If you didn't realize Ryan was going to play a major part in the game after playing the demo, let me spoil you about this other super-secret enemy. Its this big thing in a diving suit, sometimes referred to as a Big Daddy.

[cdietschrun]

Demo out now on torrent sites, downloading now.

[glockant]

If you didn't realize Ryan was going to play a major part in the game after playing the demo, let me spoil you about this other super-secret enemy. Its this big thing in a diving suit, sometimes referred to as a Big Daddy.
maybe he meant Atlas and not Ryan..

[Zoglog]

The first bad review for Bioshock

http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/?p=83#comments

After many months of anticipation I finally got my copy of Bioshock and played through it over the past few days. There are many things to like about Bioshock such as the graphics (not animation), parts of the story and the water effects. That’s about where the good stuff ends.

First let me say how excited I was for the game after playing the demo on the 360. While the animation seemed stiff and you could tell the 360 was being pushed too hard it still looked like it had a lot of potential. So imagine my disappointment when I got the final version only to find none of the animation hitches, shooting glitches and AI was cleaned up. I also wonder how much better the graphics would’ve been had they not been compressed to fit on a DVD. Now I do not fault the developers for this, they only had so much system power to work with so maybe this will all be addressed with the PS3 version when it comes out.

To conclude, let this game cook in the oven just a little bit longer and wait for the superior PS3 version. Cleaned up textures, animations, AI, extra weapons, Home space, standard HDD and Blu-ray will make this flawed game into a perfect gem.

SDF Score: 5/10



LOL....... I like the PS3 and I support it fully, and I can see somone giving bioshock that low of a score on certain elements........ but GODDAMN...... just read that damn thing........ it's such a retarded review........

[dmrx24]

Found this on NeoGaf:

"Go to http://www.2kgames.com/bioshock/busted/ and, later this week, enter your info if you have received a broken figurine. We will ship you a pre-paid box to send your damaged Big Daddy back to us. And since it will take some time to get your new Big Daddy to you, will will be shipping you a printed BioShock art book to help tide you over until your Big Daddy is back to you."


...free art book!:bouncy:

[slickkill77]

If you thought I spoiled it by saying when you meet Ryan then wow. No I ment ryan because that is the climax of the game. I didnt say anything else and if you couldnt figure out that you would meet ryan then wow

[A Happy Panda]

Found this on NeoGaf:

"Go to http://www.2kgames.com/bioshock/busted/ and, later this week, enter your info if you have received a broken figurine. We will ship you a pre-paid box to send your damaged Big Daddy back to us. And since it will take some time to get your new Big Daddy to you, will will be shipping you a printed BioShock art book to help tide you over until your Big Daddy is back to you."


...free art book!:bouncy:

Shit. That sounds like good enough reason to go FIND a broken figure. Even though it's probably just the free one online, at least it's printed out.

[mr ryles]

my copy shipped form Amazon just now, will have it tomorrow thanx to overnight shipping.

[Rei no Otaku]

Found this on NeoGaf:

"Go to http://www.2kgames.com/bioshock/busted/ and, later this week, enter your info if you have received a broken figurine. We will ship you a pre-paid box to send your damaged Big Daddy back to us. And since it will take some time to get your new Big Daddy to you, will will be shipping you a printed BioShock art book to help tide you over until your Big Daddy is back to you."


...free art book!:bouncy:
Damn, looks like I'm going to have to make sure my figure is broken...

[Halo05]

Damn, looks like I'm going to have to make sure my figure is broken...

Hell yes, I'm off to call EB and make sure mine is shaken frequently.

[slickkill77]

Drop It. Kick it...run over it. O Sh*t. I forgot to take the ame out..Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[PyroGamer]

All I know is I'm pissed that I walked in here and you guys fucking spoiled the game.

Seriously, FUCK YOU.

Obviously I thought you'd meet Ryan, but COME ON, nobody knew for sure you would. It was quite possible that Ryan was dead.

It's not that hard to post fucking spoiler tags, especially when you're playing a game before it's release date.

Assholes.


After the demo I was talkling with my brother for a while about whether or not he might be alive and how cool it would be to play the game and find out. I was DEFINITELY looking forward to finding out about Ryan MYSELF.



And if someone complains about a spoiler, just fucking spoil tag your original post and don't fucking say it again.

Seriously, a bit of fucking consideration for other people and this wouldn't be a problem in the first place.

[Phorty Ounce]

Found this on NeoGaf:

"Go to http://www.2kgames.com/bioshock/busted/ and, later this week, enter your info if you have received a broken figurine. We will ship you a pre-paid box to send your damaged Big Daddy back to us. And since it will take some time to get your new Big Daddy to you, will will be shipping you a printed BioShock art book to help tide you over until your Big Daddy is back to you."


...free art book!:bouncy:

Hell, I am going to get one, and "accidently" chip one section of the valve off.

[A Happy Panda]

All I know is I'm pissed that I walked in here and you guys fucking spoiled the game.

Seriously, FUCK YOU.

Obviously I thought you'd meet Ryan, but COME ON, nobody knew for sure you would. It was quite possible that Ryan was dead.

It's not that hard to post fucking spoiler tags, especially when you're playing a game before it's release date.

Assholes.


After the demo I was talkling with my brother for a while about whether or not he might be alive and how cool it would be to play the game and find out. I was DEFINITELY looking forward to finding out about Ryan MYSELF.



And if someone complains about a spoiler, just fucking spoil tag your original post and don't fucking say it again.

Seriously, a bit of fucking consideration for other people and this wouldn't be a problem in the first place.

(Runs away scared)

[Scorch]

The first bad review for Bioshock

because that hasn't been posted two times in this thread, less than a page ago.

[Cyb3-rr]

Yay! It looks like Gamefly is already sending out copies of this game. I should receive it on Wednesday. :D

[Kendro]

All I know is I'm pissed that I walked in here and you guys fucking spoiled the game.

Seriously, FUCK YOU.

Obviously I thought you'd meet Ryan, but COME ON, nobody knew for sure you would. It was quite possible that Ryan was dead.

It's not that hard to post fucking spoiler tags, especially when you're playing a game before it's release date.

Assholes.


After the demo I was talkling with my brother for a while about whether or not he might be alive and how cool it would be to play the game and find out. I was DEFINITELY looking forward to finding out about Ryan MYSELF.



And if someone complains about a spoiler, just fucking spoil tag your original post and don't fucking say it again.

Seriously, a bit of fucking consideration for other people and this wouldn't be a problem in the first place.
Spoiler tags are a definite must since the plot in this game takes center stage. But PyroGamer, how do you know we actually meet Ryan? I was looking over the post and the guy just says he plays a big part in the game. He doesn't say you meet him. I don't even know who this Ryan character is, I never played the demo.

[Kendro]

Found this on NeoGaf:

"Go to http://www.2kgames.com/bioshock/busted/ and, later this week, enter your info if you have received a broken figurine. We will ship you a pre-paid box to send your damaged Big Daddy back to us. And since it will take some time to get your new Big Daddy to you, will will be shipping you a printed BioShock art book to help tide you over until your Big Daddy is back to you."


...free art book!:bouncy:
Why do I have a feeling the small percentage of broken figures will turn into 100% broken figures. I could definitely see people breaking their perfect figures to get a replacement AND the art book. :lol:

Thanks for the info. Added to OP.

[SynGamer]

Why do I have a feeling the small percentage of broken figures will turn into 100% broken figures. I could definitely see people breaking their perfect figures to get a replacement AND the art book. :lol:

Thanks for the info. Added to OP.

And then you all put Irrational Games out of business :P

[PyroGamer]

Yeah, even I have been considering sending them a melted mass of plastic and asking for a replacement.

But considering they're an indipendent dev with enormous talent, they're not the type of people I'd like to screw over :D

(Runs away scared)
rawr

[Cyb3-rr]

The first bad review for Bioshock

http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/?p=83#comments



LOL....... I like the PS3 and I support it fully, and I can see somone giving bioshock that low of a score on certain elements........ but GODDAMN...... just read that damn thing........ it's such a retarded review........

I wouldn't trust a 360 review from a site called "sonydefenseforce"

[defiance_17]

I wouldn't trust a 360 review from a site called "sonydefenseforce"
I'm still trying to figure out why it's not included in Gamerankings' or Metacritic's overall scores.

[slickkill77]

I dont know...You can kind of tell "he" is alive. I mean he is talking to you over the radio through out the game. Its not a spoiler. PLus who said anything about which characters are which. Believe me. I didnt spoil anything. If you think I did you're insane. Just wait till you play. Theres something that will surprise you a lot more. You find out hes alive within the first 30 minutes

[A Happy Panda]

I still can't believe how mad people were at GS over Zelda. 8.8. Get over it. It's a score. If you like it who the fuck cares. Scored higher than what it deserved if you ask me.

Back on OT. Since GS changed their ratings to only whole numbers and .5s, I predict a 9.0 and the internet will catch on fire from the "outrage". In reality, it probably would've been a 9.3. A slim chance for a 9.5, with no chance for a 10/10.

Winnar is me.

Hmm. If you're the kind of player who just wants yet another action-packed shooter, BioShock probably isn't for you. Its weak link is its unsatisfying no-skill-required combat, which might aim this one just over the head of the average Halo fan.

He needs to re-word that. He's trying to say it's going to be above Halo players' heads, but it sounds like he disses the combat...which I think is exactly the opposite of what he was trying to say.

[CrimGhost]

Got the call from Gamestop to pickup the game Tuesday morning, can't wait.

[Apossum]

omg 9.0 worst gaem evar!

[A Happy Panda]

Question for those who have been playing it/beaten it.

Do you just get stupid powerful at the end of the game? Also, is there an option to go through whatever chapter you want with the powers you've already gained? I would love to just fuck around owning kids after I beat the game with all my powers

Also in your response, please don't give me any spoilers as I haven't played it besides the demo.

[King]

omg 9.0 worst gaem evar!

I'm cancelling my pre-order.

[eswat]

So if I break my figurine, I can just mail it to 2k and I get a replacement and the art book in return? Awesome? D:

[rabbitt]

To you first question (no real spoilers):

No. You do end the game with more health and Eve than what you started, of course, but the enemies progressively in strength with you.

The second question:

Nothing like that, but before the final moments of the game, you can go back through previous levels and wander around.

Question for those who have been playing it/beaten it.

Do you just get stupid powerful at the end of the game? Also, is there an option to go through whatever chapter you want with the powers you've already gained? I would love to just fuck around owning kids after I beat the game with all my powers

Also in your response, please don't give me any spoilers as I haven't played it besides the demo.

[spoo]

omg 9.0 worst gaem evar!
I like how it gets points taken off for "Annoying hitches.....only seems to start happening after playing the game for several hours."

It gets points deducted because the gamespot's reviewers 360 is having fits???!?

[jovherye]

I like how it gets points taken off for "Annoying hitches.....only seems to start happening after playing the game for several hours."

It gets points deducted because the gamespot's reviewers 360 is having fits???!?

LOL! Exactly what I was thinking. Traded in a couple of games and DVDs today for this. I cannot wait!

[triforcer]

o no, it's 8.8 all over again :P

[Kendro]

o no, it's 8.8 all over again :P
Nothing will ever top the 8.8 outrage.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/7848/zeldaoutragelg7.th.jpg (http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zeldaoutragelg7.jpg)

[Monsta Mack]

By giving it a 9.0 they effectively removed it (most likely) of being the best game of all time. However, it also made it alot more comfortable in being in the top ten games of all time (according to Gamerankings anyways). I thought for sure this game would score a 8.5 knowing Jeff but I don't think he wanted to see Twilight Princess reactions all over again.

[PyroGamer]

Nothing will ever top the 8.8 outrage.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/7848/zeldaoutragelg7.th.jpg (http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zeldaoutragelg7.jpg)
I wish I was Jeff.


Seriously, though, I can't see less than a 9 for this game. And actually, the more I think about it, the more riddiculous it is TP didn't get a 9. I mean, look at the games they give 9's: TP and BioShock are clearly superior to half of the stuff there.

[Surferflames]

Winnar is me.

Hmm.

He needs to re-word that. He's trying to say it's going to be above Halo players' heads, but it sounds like he disses the combat...which I think is exactly the opposite of what he was trying to say.

Yes he is contradicting himself. Since when does halo have tactical elements(aside from teamwork and such)? We all know much of halo's popularity is in it's small learning curve and ease of use, so how would combat that makes you think be a bad thing...

Personally I don't read gamespot, or care about scores for that matter, but waiting until the last minute and making little babbling comments like that one just screams "I did it for attention after seeing what everyone else said."

[mykevermin]

Nothing will ever top the 8.8 outrage.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/7848/zeldaoutragelg7.th.jpg (http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zeldaoutragelg7.jpg)

:rofl:

TOPIC: Jeff Was Abused As a Child.

Discuss.

[SynGamer]

I would love to see all the major sites do what EGM does (even though i hate them for the most part) and have 3 reviewers.

[PyroGamer]

I would love to see all the major sites do what EGM does (even though i hate them for the most part) and have 3 reviewers.
Ugh. Don't get me started on EGM.

Reviews should be OBJECTIVE REVIEWS ON THE QUALITY OF THE GAME, EGM gives three random people's OPINIONS.

Reviews =/= Opinions, and they shouldn't be opinions.

Reviews should be someone's best effort to accurately gauge the OBJECTIVE QUALITY of the game.

[SynGamer]

Ugh. Don't get me started on EGM.

Reviews should be OBJECTIVE REVIEWS ON THE QUALITY OF THE GAME, EGM gives three random people's OPINIONS.

Reviews =/= Opinions, and they shouldn't be opinions.

Reviews should be someone's best effort to accurately gauge the OBJECTIVE QUALITY of the game.

Oh i know. Thats why i said i don't care for EGM's reviews but i do like the fact that 3 people are reviewing the game. People can be sold or turned off by a single review so it would be nice to see 3 people's 'impressions' of a game instead of 1.

[KaneRobot]

Did I call a 9 earlier? That's what I was guessing. I generally trust their reviews more than other sites'.

EGM's reviews are fucking horrible (as is the magazine itself, but that's another story). They spend half of their little teensy block of text arguing with what the previous reviewer just said, then throw in two random facts about how it plays, and that's it.

[Apossum]

Nothing will ever top the 8.8 outrage.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/7848/zeldaoutragelg7.th.jpg (http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zeldaoutragelg7.jpg)


:lol:

[triforcer]

objective reviews are not really possible because people's taste are subjective. it's like asking for objective reviews on music, while you have technical skill to be objective about, how do you measure originality or if it's enjoyable.

[SynGamer]

objective reviews are not really possible because people's taste are subjective. it's like asking for objective reviews on music, while you have technical skill to be objective about, how do you measure originality or if it's enjoyable.

Hence the suggestion of 3 reviewers...giving readers 2 extra opinions.

[crunchb3rry]

This game is obviously crap. Maxim gave it 3/5 stars.

[PyroGamer]

Hence the suggestion of 3 reviewers...giving readers 2 extra opinions.
I'm not sure if it's a good or a bad thing, but having 3 reviewers also release's the reviewers inhibitions. They really say whatever they want when they are reviewing with a couple other people.

objective reviews are not really possible because people's taste are subjective.
It may not be possible, but you can get pretty damn close: and it's a reviewer's job (whether or not he ignores it and writes a terrible review) to get as close to it as he can.

[SynGamer]

I'm not sure if it's a good or a bad thing, but having 3 reviewers also release's the reviewers inhibitions. They really say whatever they want when they are reviewing with a couple other people.

I like that though, because as much as the number lie on the EGM reviews, hearing what they have to saw helps me with my decision(s). If 2 of the reviewers mention something that catches my eye (in lets say a positive way) than i will likely get the game even if the score is low. Or vice versa.

[Rei no Otaku]

Reviews just shouldn't have a number rating. I buy games that get rated poorly all the time, and end up enjoying them because the write up in the reivews let me know that while the reviewer didn't like it, I would.

[eswat]

This game is obviously crap. Maxim gave it 3/5 stars.
For comparison's sake, they gave Hour of Victory 4/5.

[Sofa King Kool]

For comparison's sake, they gave Hour of Victory 4/5.

Maxim = worst game reviews ever.

[thamaster24]

Maxim = worst game reviews ever.

IMO Maxim shouldn't even have a reviewing section, they should just talk about games.

[eswat]

Maxim = worst game reviews ever.
I think they rated Metallica's St. Anger album a 5/5, so their crapiness is not limited to games :P

[vlv723]

Well this game is coming via Gamefly. If I like it, I'll keep it...let's just hope it's immediately available.

[Surferflames]

Reviews just shouldn't have a number rating. I buy games that get rated poorly all the time, and end up enjoying them because the write up in the reivews let me know that while the reviewer didn't like it, I would.

Publications have tried it in the past, and people just don't like it. I know most of the games media would prefer to have scoreless reviews, but it will never happen.

[darthbudge]

I can't wait, in 12 hours I will be playing Bioshock. Who else will be waiting in line at GS or an other store?

[SilverPaw750]

Publications have tried it in the past, and people just don't like it. I know most of the games media would prefer to have scoreless reviews, but it will never happen.
It works if the writing can hold up on its own. The only publication I know of that tried this was CGW before it turned into GFW, and it just turned the magazine into total crap. The writing just wasn't nearly good enough to hold up, and it was often hard to figure out if the reviewer liked the game or not.

[strayfoxx]

Nothing will ever top the 8.8 outrage.

http://img480.imageshack.us/img480/7848/zeldaoutragelg7.th.jpg (http://img480.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zeldaoutragelg7.jpg)

Bahahah..Is the reviewer who gave LOZ:TP an 8.8 actually fat? If so, whoever dubbed him Girthman is awesome...

[A Happy Panda]

I'm surprised there's even this much discussion regarding Gamespot's score. It's a goddamn 9. Play it. Like it. Get over it.

[Rei no Otaku]

I don't think anyone's really discussing the score as much as discussing the state of game reviews in general, which really should be another thread.

[A Happy Panda]

I don't think anyone's really discussing the score as much as discussing the state of game reviews in general, which really should be another thread.

This is true. I shouldn't take this thread off-topic more than it already has.

Anyways, still on the fence about the game. Played through the demo 2x, terrifying throughout both times. IDK if I can handle 20 hours in Rapture and remain sane.

[KingBroly]

Well, according to another thread in the Gaming section, this game doesn't even run widescreen correctly.

Maybe a 9 is a bit more deserving knowing that. I knew this game was getting rated too high.

[SynGamer]

This is true. I shouldn't take this thread off-topic more than it already has.

Anyways, still on the fence about the game. Played through the demo 2x, terrifying throughout both times. IDK if I can handle 20 hours in Rapture and remain sane.

Thats probably one of the best ways to explaing how the story is.

[Kendro]

Anyways, still on the fence about the game. Played through the demo 2x, terrifying throughout both times. IDK if I can handle 20 hours in Rapture and remain sane.

You should force yourself to play Condemned. Once you get through that, the game will cure you of having any fear of playing scary games (since they all pale in comparison).

[CrimGhost]

I really enjoyed this video review of Bioshock, reviewers did a good job covering the game. http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=96750

[Sofa King Kool]

I can't wait until tomorrow. I've been counting the days for weeks now. I'm going to be at Gamestop the moment they open so I can grab the game then haul ass back home to play it. Thank god I don't have work for the next two days.

[Surferflames]

Just got back from the midnight release. There were 80-100 people in line..that sucked.

Mostly groups buying one copy though. Still kinda shocked me that so many people were waiting in line for what I thought was a less-than-mainstream title.

[CrimGhost]

Just got back from the midnight release. There were 80-100 people in line..that sucked.

Mostly groups buying one copy though. Still kinda shocked me that so many people were waiting in line for what I thought was a less-than-mainstream title.

There was a midnight release?

[glockant]

I really enjoyed this video review of Bioshock, reviewers did a good job covering the game. http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=96750
word! i'm on GTR.

also, i just got my copy at walmart!

[getmyrunon]

Just got back from the midnight release. There were 80-100 people in line..that sucked.

Mostly groups buying one copy though. Still kinda shocked me that so many people were waiting in line for what I thought was a less-than-mainstream title.

80-100? Those are Madden/Halo caliber launch numbers right there... So no one else feels like a huge tool showing up at opening for this? Edit: I should add, I'm going to be outside my Gamestop at 10:00am tomorrow.

[FaintDeftone]

I preordered the game at Best Buy. I'm going to wake up early and get up there so I can play it all day before I go to work at 6pm. Can't wait.

[refusedchaos]

heard that teh LE is crap cause the figurine is cheap, no metal case, etc ...ill have to see for myself tommorow

[glockant]

you can eat a cream filled cake!

[elsnow77]

sweet, just called my wal mart and found out they are gonna be selling this at midnight tonight. i think im gonna go down there and try to pm the CC 50 $ deal

[-Never4ever-]

Ugh. Don't get me started on EGM.

Reviews should be OBJECTIVE REVIEWS ON THE QUALITY OF THE GAME, EGM gives three random people's OPINIONS.

Reviews =/= Opinions, and they shouldn't be opinions.

Reviews should be someone's best effort to accurately gauge the OBJECTIVE QUALITY of the game.

QUOTE FOR fuckING EMPHASIS~!

Finally, at least one other person on the interweb gets it. Now if it was only possible to somehow beat this info into the likes of all the other idiots.

Kinda wish I had actually gone out and preordered the CE, but being broke as all hell, I'll have to contend with getting it from gamefly (and hitting the "keep it" button after it hits $39.99 or lower ;) ).

[A Happy Panda]

Umm. I don't see how reviews CAN'T be opinions. Inherently, saying "Game X has great art design" or "this game has great sound" are opinionative statements. Yet, those statement seems to be about the objective quality of the game. It's impossible if you ask me.

Also, in the end...it's your opinion that matters. Other opinions may shape your view of the game, but ultimately its your call.

I do agree though that EGM/1up sucks balls. I only listen to their podcasts and occasionally watch the 1up show.

[mr ryles]

sweet, just called my wal mart and found out they are gonna be selling this at midnight tonight. i think im gonna go down there and try to pm the CC 50 $ deal

I'm gonna try the same thing here in a few.

[FrankySox]

sweet, just called my wal mart and found out they are gonna be selling this at midnight tonight. i think im gonna go down there and try to pm the CC 50 $ deal
Good idea, that's what I did. The late nite workers they have their are tools, she thought it was 39.99 and gave it to me for 40, lucky me I guess.

[crunchb3rry]

I'm gonna head to Meijer today with the CC ad. They always pricematch BB and CC ads with no hesitation. Deals that are too huge tend to cause problems though. The only problem I ever had with them was buying The Wire season 1 DVD set for $25 pricematched. It's normally damn near $60 so they thought I had some sort of counterfeit ad until a manager got called over and eventually overrode the two idiots debating whether the ad was real.

Heck, I could go there now at 4:00 AM since they're open 24 hours, but I'm worried I'll drive all the way there and find out they sold out at midnight. I'm surprised this game had a midnight release at so many stores.

[Popnmusic]

I wonder how many people will be purposely breaking their Big Daddy figure just to get the printed art book. :D

[gunm]

Anyways, still on the fence about the game. Played through the demo 2x, terrifying throughout both times. IDK if I can handle 20 hours in Rapture and remain sane.

Glad I'm not the only who feels this way! As much as the demo was awesome, I'm really not sure I can handle playing through the whole game.

In a way, I'm glad my amazon order doesn't ship right away as I still have time to cancel it (though not much).