BIOSHOCK - Gen. Discussion & Info

[Surferflames]

I just finished Arcadia and I'm about to go see Ryan. I'm assuming I'm almost done?


Really? Fear and Condemned scared the shit out of me, in fact I can't even bring myself to play Fear; but this isn't scaring me at all. (With the exception of the first few minutes of Arcadia).

You're about 3/4 of the way. You are at the part where the story really picks up.

[Sofa King Kool]

You're about 3/4 of the way. You are at the part where the story really picks up.

Good, because at the moment I really have no idea how the different stories are connected. I've kinda already ruined some of it though, I clicked too many "spoiler" things.

[Kendro]

Really? Fear and Condemned scared the shit out of me, in fact I can't even bring myself to play Fear; but this isn't scaring me at all. (With the exception of the first few minutes of Arcadia).
Same here. The FEAR demo completely freaked me out and Condemned scared the living crap out of me but this isn't so bad. There are a few moments that make you jump like when you are searching in the foggy room in the medical facility and there is a splicer right behind you when the smoke clears, but even then I just capped him with a shotgun to to the grill and said motherfucker (literally :lol:).

[darthbudge]

Good, because at the moment I really have no idea how the different stories are connected. I've kinda already ruined some of it though, I clicked too many "spoiler" things.

I hear ya there, I just clicked the spoiler in Callandors post and the first 3 words kinda spoiled some of it for me, possibly.

[Sofa King Kool]

There are a few moments that make you jump like when you are searching in the foggy room in the medical facility and there is a splicer right behind you when the smoke clears, but even then I just capped him with a shotgun to to the grill and said motherfucker (literally :lol:).

I swear at badguys in games too ;)

[-GoodFella-]

This game is fantastic, my front runner for GOTY. Finished it this morning and will definitely go back for another play through.

[Apossum]

Taking out enemies has never been so much fun. There's nothing quite like a good plan coming together-- especially when you can manipulate a room full of splicers, a big daddy, and turrets to all kill each other without having to use much ammo :)

[CrimsonPaw]

I hear ya there, I just clicked the spoiler in Callandors post and the first 3 words kinda spoiled some of it for me, possibly.
Make that +1. I'm playing about a half hour to an hour at night. I just got through the part under the medical ward (where you melt the ice) and when the lights went out I litterally started to panic .... and this was at f***ing LUNCHTIME!!!

[PyroGamer]

Yeah, I played through a couple hours today without being scared in the slightest. Some methinks I'm taking a break until tonight, and finding that good pair of headphones I keep somewhere around here.

[jalu6]

There are a few moments that make you jump like when you are searching in the foggy room in the medical facility and there is a splicer right behind you when the smoke clears, but even then I just capped him with a shotgun to to the grill and said motherfucker (literally :lol:).

That same part had me yelling too. Just wait a few levels, you get to a long hallway where the lights go out and all the corpses in the area suddenly get up and attack you .

[whiptcracker]

Count me among those that haven't been scared at all, and underwater stuff normally freaks me out. I have a hard time watching any deep sea documentaries. Creepy atmosphere, but hasn't made me jump yet. Condemned made me jump at parts.

Loving the game so far but I have some issues with it. I don't mind not being able to block with the wrench. I do mind that the game locked up on me to the point of needed a reset and it's not my 360. Lost an hour like than and that's never fun. I've seen a lot of bodies on the ground continue to twich, mostly their hands like they're waving which isn't a big issue, just odd. I hold the A button down while looking through things twice(tonic thing) and it plays the last audiotape over again. I wish that had been mapped differently. I love the powers but almost wish that the game would pause when holding down the left bumper. When I've got 5 powers equiped and the crap hits the fan I'm flipping through powers trying to strategize while my health is dropping. I love the audioclip stories and exploring, but I still don't know anything about the character I'm playing as. I know the story is about Rapture, but so far all I know about the main character is that he has a pair of hands.

Still very minor issues in what is otherwise a great game. It's one of those games that you just want to see what's in the next room, or the room after and end up playing it for a couple hours while barely realizing it.

[SharpShooter]

about how long does it take to beat the game?

[help1]

about how long does it take to beat the game?

I have heard 20-25 hours.

[Slate]

Someone tell me where Sander cohen's room is, I want to get the achievement.

[Tha Xecutioner]

about how long does it take to beat the game?Took me about 11-12 hours to get a good bit of the achievements done (765 points..I think) on my first playthrough.

[creeeaature]

Someone tell me where Sander cohen's room is, I want to get the achievement.

Don't kill him the first time you run into him... from there on it should be obvious :)

I love the powers but almost wish that the game would pause when holding down the left bumper. When I've got 5 powers equiped and the crap hits the fan I'm flipping through powers trying to strategize while my health is dropping. I love the audioclip stories and exploring, but I still don't know anything about the character I'm playing as.

Actually HOLD the bumpers, it will pause the game and allow you to use the analog sticks to select which weapon/plasmid you would like to use.

As far as finding more out about your character, I don't want to ruin anything, but don't worry about it :).

[Kendro]

That same part had me yelling too. Just wait a few levels, you get to a long hallway where the lights go out and all the corpses in the area suddenly get up and attack you .
Heh. I already had a similar experience (as did you) when you first get the shotgun. That actually felt like Doom for about 10 seconds.

The funny part about this game is that during those moments where something jumps out and you should be shocked, I don't because before I even think about it, I've already pulled the trigger and killed the guy (damn ninja reflexes). It isn't until they are dead and it finally occurs to me what just happened that I get freaked out. :lol:

[whiptcracker]

Actually HOLD the bumpers, it will pause the game and allow you to use the analog sticks to select which weapon/plasmid you would like to use.

As far as finding more out about your character, I don't want to ruin anything, but don't worry about it :).

D'oh. Thanks, will do.

Is it also possible to go back to different areas? I missed a room in the first area since I didn't have incinerate equiped and I'd like to not miss out on any of the audioclips, both for achievement reasons and because I think they really add to the game.

[creeeaature]

D'oh. Thanks, will do.

Is it also possible to go back to different areas? I missed a room in the first area since I didn't have incinerate equiped and I'd like to not miss out on any of the audioclips, both for achievement reasons and because I think they really add to the game.

Yeah, just find a Biosphere (I think that's what they're called)

[Jesus_S_Preston]

What the crap? Do Big Daddies respawn?

I was in the Wharft in Neptune's Bay, killed one there, resuced the sister. Then I headed upstairs farther, found another one with a sister up in the room with a drone thing that shoots explosives after you. Killed it, didn't see the sister. Went down to look for her, got back to the wharf, and found....another Big Daddy, though the corpse of the one I killed is in the water. Went back upstairs....there's another one there too. ???

[Slate]

What the crap? Do Big Daddies respawn?

I was in the Wharft in Neptune's Bay, killed one there, resuced the sister. Then I headed upstairs farther, found another one with a sister up in the room with a drone thing that shoots explosives after you. Killed it, didn't see the sister. Went down to look for her, got back to the wharf, and found....another Big Daddy, though the corpse of the one I killed is in the water. Went back upstairs....there's another one there too. ???

I think they respawn.

[Apossum]

What the crap? Do Big Daddies respawn?

I was in the Wharft in Neptune's Bay, killed one there, resuced the sister. Then I headed upstairs farther, found another one with a sister up in the room with a drone thing that shoots explosives after you. Killed it, didn't see the sister. Went down to look for her, got back to the wharf, and found....another Big Daddy, though the corpse of the one I killed is in the water. Went back upstairs....there's another one there too. ???


I think so. at that very first part in Neptune's Bay, I killed 3 big daddies and rescued 3 little sisters. killed the first one, rescued the sister, then another big daddy came out, got another little sister out of the hole, repeat. Then I went upstairs and found a 4th little sister even though it said there were only 3 in the level. I dunno wtf happened :)

[A Happy Panda]

:(

I feel bad for the Big Daddies. They're just doing their job and looking out for the Little Sisters, and here we are just fucking them up and stealing their little girl.

[whiptcracker]

I think so. at that very first part in Neptune's Bay, I killed 3 big daddies and rescued 3 little sisters. killed the first one, rescued the sister, then another big daddy came out, got another little sister out of the hole, repeat. Then I went upstairs and found a 4th little sister even though it said there were only 3 in the level. I dunno wtf happened :)

Now where you able to harvest/rescue the little sister, because I had the same thing happen in Neptune's Bay, but it was there because of a scripted thing and not just a random little sister wandering around. No spoilers but if she was standing near a teddy bear, then that was intentional.

[Moxio]

:(

I feel bad for the Big Daddies. They're just doing their job and looking out for the Little Sisters, and here we are just fucking them up and stealing their little girl.

Hehe.

[bill123]

Question for you guys I just started the game and after playing the demo a couple of times i remember that when you walk into the lighthouse to get into the submersible(sp?) there was old time music playing as well as background audio when the shade goes down to reveal rapture to you. Now in the full game there was no music or audio at all just quiet. I just wanted to know if you guys experienced that or if there is a problem on my end. I dont want to get tooo far in if my disc might be bad.

thanks,
bill123

[slickkill77]

Theres music in the begining and then theres music when Ryan gets ready to say "I choose rapture"

[Sofa King Kool]

Question for you guys I just started the game and after playing the demo a couple of times i remember that when you walk into the lighthouse to get into the submersible(sp?) there was old time music playing as well as background audio when the shade goes down to reveal rapture to you. Now in the full game there was no music or audio at all just quiet. I just wanted to know if you guys experienced that or if there is a problem on my end. I dont want to get tooo far in if my disc might be bad.

thanks,
bill123

Hmmm, you're supposed to hear old music along with Ryan talking, then the shade goes down and epic music plays....

[slickkill77]

And theres the old time music right before you enter the bathosphere

[help1]

So, does the ending of the game change if you kill all the sisters or save them all?

[slickkill77]

I have heard theres a "good" ending if you save them. Im playing my second time through and killing them all now so I will see. Oh by the way. I have played the game a total of 24:10. Im currently on the level after the medical facility on my second run through on hard so I think I am getting plenty of play time

[Trakan]

So, does the ending of the game change if you kill all the sisters or save them all?
Based on the ending I saw, I'd say that there would have to be a different ending if you kill all the little sisters.

[moonknight25]

Aren't you guys happy we have the 360 version after all the bullshit with the PC version?!

[help1]

OMFG, I want this vacation im on to end so I can go home and play this!

[PyroGamer]

Aren't you guys happy we have the 360 version after all the bullshit with the PC version?!
What bullshit?

Graphics card problems?

[Callandor]

Ok, having just beaten it, a question:

Is there a reward/achievement for not having any sisters die on that escort mission right before you pwn Atlas? EDIT: there isn't...
But, you do get one for not killing Cohan, so that you can get into the otherwise sealed room in his apartment later.

Now I just need to hunt down the rest of the weapon upgrade stations and audio tapes... this might take a while.

[Chacrana]

What bullshit?

Graphics card problems?

The bullshit activation thing saying you can only activate the game twice. Which is completely retarded.

But if you work around that nonsense, I still vastly prefer the PC version. But yeah, people playing the 360 version are lucky they don't have to deal with that kind of crap.

[SilverPaw750]

Okay, I went back through all of the audio logs, but STILL need to know Why did I collect Roses for that lady? Why did I even meet her - who the hell is she? And now why do I have to go on a fetchquest for a bunch of items to make something to revive the plants? Who cares? What's the point? Does this have any relevance to the game, at all?

Don't read if you haven't gotten fairly far in Arcadia!

[ReturnofBoltz]

For those of you wondering what happens if you don't choose to rescue all of the Little Sisters in terms of the ending this is what it says on Wiki:


On the other hand, if during the game the player killed any Little Sisters, Jack is overcome with his lust for Adam and snatches the nearest Little Sister when Fontaine is dead. The first person view ends and Tenenbaum begins a monologue in which she discusses how disgusted she is with Jack for his cruelty and lack of control, implying that he killed the Little Sisters. At the same time, a silent cut scene takes place in which a naval submarine surveying the downed plane's crash site is surrounded with bathysphere pods from below. The sailors on the submarine's deck gawk as the dozens of bathyspheres pop open and splicers jump out. The splicers slaughter the submarine crew, and the camera shows what appears to be a nuclear warhead on board before the game ends.

[Sofa King Kool]

Okay, I went back through all of the audio logs, but STILL need to know Why did I collect Roses for that lady? Why did I even meet her - who the hell is she? And now why do I have to go on a fetchquest for a bunch of items to make something to revive the plants? Who cares? What's the point? Does this have any relevance to the game, at all?

Don't read if you haven't gotten fairly far in Arcadia!

The trees are the only source of oxygen in all of Rapture. Ryan tried to kill them all with some sort of gas, you're collecting ingrediants to counteract the gas.

[JohnnyFoxDarko]

There are 2 videos. I heard a rumor of a 3rd, but I think that was a lie.
Both video can be found on You Tube.
Is there a reward/achievement for not having any sisters die on that escort mission right before you pwn Atlas?
No, there isn't.

[Mr Durand Pierre]

Is it just me or is the game's default electro plasmid/wrench "1-2-punch" combo a little too powerful? I just reached Fort Frolic and I feel like I'm not taking enough advantage of the designer's creativity with all the other nifty plasmids. I mean I'll occasionally use the pyro one if there's oil in the area, and telekinesis is great for acquiring hard to reach items, but beyond that I don't feel like the other ones are that useful except in really specific circumstances. I was curious if others felt that way, or is there a whole world of splicer slaying that I'm missing out on?

[AshesofWake]

fighting a big daddy while not dieing, while completely wasted as your friend cheers you on had to be one of the best video game moments i've had ever :rofl:

[JohnnyFoxDarko]

Is it just me or is the game's default electro plasmid/wrench "1-2-punch" combo a little too powerful? I just reached Fort Frolic and I feel like I'm not taking enough advantage of the designer's creativity with all the other nifty plasmids. I mean I'll occasionally use the pyro one if there's oil in the area, and telekinesis is great for acquiring hard to reach items, but beyond that I don't feel like the other ones are that useful except in really specific circumstances. I was curious if others felt that way, or is there a whole world of splicer slaying that I'm missing out on?
I think you're not taking advantage of all the plasmids.
Me? I love going for the 1-2 punch thing, but you can evolve from that.
I.E. Using the security plasmid somewhere with numerous cameras/ turrets with the bee plasmid was fun for me. Especially combined with the target dummy and numerous Splicers.
I also used that for the 2nd round of the fight with Atlas, and he went down pretty fast. :bouncy: <- Major Spoiler.

[Liquid 2]

Okay, I went back through all of the audio logs, but STILL need to know Why did I collect Roses for that lady? Why did I even meet her - who the hell is she? And now why do I have to go on a fetchquest for a bunch of items to make something to revive the plants? Who cares? What's the point? Does this have any relevance to the game, at all?

Don't read if you haven't gotten fairly far in Arcadia!Did you miss the whole think about how the trees supply all of Rapture with O2? The ingredients you're getting right now (the rose is one of them) are to create the Lazarus Vector, which will revive them all.


Unrelated (and big spoiler):
I've reached the point where Atlas has only just recently betrayed me (he activated Code Yellow a little while back). How much more do I have?

[Calamityuponthee]

Did you miss the whole think about how the trees supply all of Rapture with O2? The ingredients you're getting right now (the rose is one of them) are to create the Lazarus Vector, which will revive them all.


Unrelated (and big spoiler):
I've reached the point where Atlas has only just recently betrayed me (he activated Code Yellow a little while back). How much more do I have?

You got about 25% left.

[Maynard]

Am I the only guy going through the game on Hard for the best challenge? Just out of curiousity, I find it much more entertaining and definately pumps up the OH SHIT feeling of the game.

[thrustbucket]

Is it just me or is the game's default electro plasmid/wrench "1-2-punch" combo a little too powerful? I just reached Fort Frolic and I feel like I'm not taking enough advantage of the designer's creativity with all the other nifty plasmids. I mean I'll occasionally use the pyro one if there's oil in the area, and telekinesis is great for acquiring hard to reach items, but beyond that I don't feel like the other ones are that useful except in really specific circumstances. I was curious if others felt that way, or is there a whole world of splicer slaying that I'm missing out on?

That was one of gamespots complaints about the game. It's true that if you want to be most efficient about killing and doing damage, you can do it with only the one two punch combo and the first two plasmids you get. But you won't have much fun with the game.

[Mr Durand Pierre]

That was one of gamespots complaints about the game. It's true that if you want to be most efficient about killing and doing damage, you can do it with only the one two punch combo and the first two plasmids you get. But you won't have much fun with the game.

Yes, but I want to have fun and be efficient at the same time. I mean it's hard to convince myself to use other plasmids when I know I can take less damage with my electro/wrench combo.

Though I did look up some developer walkthroughs on gametrailers.com and there is all sorts of shit I'd like to try on there. Especially when fighting Big Daddies since you can take all the time you need to set up deathtraps before engaging in combat. This is just a game that keeps on giving like that.

[jughead]

I'm on normal and finding the combat very difficult. This game is awesome!

[converge]

Is it just me or is the game's default electro plasmid/wrench "1-2-punch" combo a little too powerful?

I'd say throwing bodies with telek is way more powerful and efficient. It barely uses any power and kills most enemies (besides big daddies) in one hit.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

Eh, I'm partial to freezing enemies and then shattering them with a shotgun blast.

[Moxio]

Whoa, just got to the part (end of Haphaestus) where You finally kill Andrew Ryan and Fontaine betrays you. That was a very sweet part in the game and I'm really really enjoying the storyline.

It's interesting that such a simple phrase that we just brushed off after hearing it 500000 times was so powerful.

[crunchb3rry]

Yeah, telekenesis uses so little EVE it almost feels like cheating.

[thorbahn3]

I was looking at Shipwreck's profile, which said he was playing bioshock, to only see this detail in the progression bubble:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v382/thorbahn3/biowha.jpg

can someone explain this?

[CAG 79]

That happens when you have the game sitting on the main menu.

Btw, this should've gone in the official Bioshock thread.

[thorbahn3]

Really?! So if news comes out about bioshock adding new content or that the disk could explode my 360, it has to be in the bioshock thread? I guess you're right. After all, that whole widescreen issue was just in the bioshock thread and not its own thing...

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149515

Sorry for acting like an ass but I'm getting tired of these "it must be disscussed in the ____ thread." Can't indivisual topics be posted if the topic isn't about the gameplay?

btw thanks for answering my question.

[defiance_17]

If you haven't finished the game, don't read.I told myself I wouldn't check the Achievements list until after I beat the game the first time through, but then I caved. Fuck, did that ruin my night.

[DomLando]

Really?! So if news comes out about bioshock adding new content or that the disk could explode my 360, it has to be in the bioshock thread? I guess you're right. After all, that whole widescreen issue was just in the bioshock thread and not its own thing...

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149515

Sorry for acting like an ass but I'm getting tired of these "it must be disscussed in the ____ thread." Can't indivisual topics be posted if the topic isn't about the gameplay?

btw thanks for answering my question.
All things about Bioshock should be discussed in the Bioshcok thread. That gets rid of multiple topics about the same game. The thread is not only about the gameplay of Bioshock.

[LinkinPrime]

Really?! So if news comes out about bioshock adding new content or that the disk could explode my 360, it has to be in the bioshock thread? I guess you're right. After all, that whole widescreen issue was just in the bioshock thread and not its own thing...

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=149515

Sorry for acting like an ass but I'm getting tired of these "it must be disscussed in the ____ thread." Can't indivisual topics be posted if the topic isn't about the gameplay?

btw thanks for answering my question.

They can, but then things would be really cluttered. We try to keep everything related to one title on one thread. Sometimes threads go out of topic within the same game and next thing you know we have 5 threads on the same game discussing the same thing.

[CAG 79]

Not only that but your question was quickly answered so there is no need for further discussion. /end thread.

;)

[Liquid 2]

Just beat it tonight. Fantastic.
Last boss was disappointingly easy. Easier to take down than a Big Daddy =/.

[strdr4]

Yup, just beat it tonight myself. Took about 12 hours. Contemplating whether I should try to hard difficulty because I feel like I can actually get the 1000 achievement points. Researching is a pain in the butt though.

[thrustbucket]

Am I the only guy going through the game on Hard for the best challenge? Just out of curiousity, I find it much more entertaining and definately pumps up the OH SHIT feeling of the game.

Played through half the medical pavilion on hard. I switched back because it got too annoying. Hard only seems to make you take more damage and enemies less.

[FrankySox]

Whoa, just got to the part (end of Haphaestus) where You finally kill Andrew Ryan and Fontaine betrays you. That was a very sweet part in the game and I'm really really enjoying the storyline.

It's interesting that such a simple phrase that we just brushed off after hearing it 500000 times was so powerful.

Just finished this part, I love this game, and yes you are right!

[darthbudge]

Everyone says that hard is too hard but that is not what I found. In fact I think hard is fairly easy and can only be annoying in certain parts.

[Phorty Ounce]

Everyone says that hard is too hard but that is not what I found. In fact I think hard is fairly easy and can only be annoying in certain parts.

How was hard "fairly easy"?

[lordwow]

Just beat the medical pavallion. Felt like a real idiot when I couldn't figure out that fire melts ice

[jalu6]

Eh, I'm partial to freezing enemies and then shattering them with a shotgun blast.

As cool as that is, you unfortunately don't get any money or loot off the body if you kill them that way, which is why I didn't use it all that much. Only a little ammo if they are holding a gun.

[darthbudge]

How was hard "fairly easy"?

What I am trying to say is I don't think hard is really hard at all. It should have been called "Normal with slightly more annoying enemies."

[icyjones]

i'm not sure if this is general knowledge yet, but when you go to the 2kgames site for the broken big daddy figures it now has a form to fill out for the replacement: http://www.2kgames.com/bioshock/busted/

[Jesus_S_Preston]

Big Daddies are pissing me off.

I got a pop-up saying I need to resuce one more Little Sister in Neptune's Bounty. So I go up to the room with a vending machine and an explosive-shooting drone and whatnot, find a Big Daddy with a Little Sister. Spend forever killing him, and...no Little Sister when I'm done. Then the Big Daddy who I had hynotized to finish him off goes over to a hole and calls one out.

Bitch, I'm going to rip you open and take your Adam.

[CAG 79]

i'm not sure if this is general knowledge yet, but when you go to the 2kgames site for the broken big daddy figures it now has a form to fill out for the replacement: http://www.2kgames.com/bioshock/busted/

Cool, thanks for the heads up.

[Walt Jay]

“People have had some broken Big Daddies. We’ve dealt with that. People are upset about the soundtrack; we’re going to make the soundtrack available for free.“ Levine says he doesn’t know the exact specifics of this new soundtrack, but that it will feature music from the game and be available gratis.

from

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6951&Itemid=2

So apparently they are releasing the soundtrack for free as well? Color me impressed.

[terribledeli]

http://www.2kgames.com/cultofrapture/articles.html

orchestal score now online

[King]

Can someone please direct me to the first weapon upgrade in Arcadia? I have been searching for an hour now and can't it. Apparently it's beside a big Farmer's Market sign, and from what I can see there are two of those. One with a Tree Farm sign right under it and one with a Tree Farm sign beside it, yet I still can't find the damn thing.

EDIT: Nvm found it.

[mik]

How was hard "fairly easy"?
Any difficulty level is easy when you functionally never die.

[eswat]

from

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6951&Itemid=2

So apparently they are releasing the soundtrack for free as well? Color me impressed.
This is why I should stop buying "LEs" and "CE's. Either the publishers just put the "exclusive" crap up for download for free at launch, or just a few days afterwards :\

Then again this Big Daddy is looking damn nice in my office (until I decide to break it).

[Damian]

This is why I should stop buying "LEs" and "CE's. Either the publishers just put the "exclusive" crap up for download for free at launch, or just a few days afterwards :\
This isn't what's in the LE. This is what people think should have been in the LE.

[sj41]

I was in love with the demo, and have been playing it for hours today since my free rental only lasts for 5 days, and this has been my only free day recently. I'm sick of Bioshock now, probably because of just playing it too much. I have until tuesday with it, but I don't think that I'll have the need to finish the game.

I need cutscenes in my games to advance the story. The whole diary messages seem so pointless to me. None of them have been saying anything useful from what I've played so far. Is the story not supposed to open up until really deep into the game? It's been pretty weak so far.

Anybody else get sick of this game after playing it for hours and hours? Maybe I just need to have a break from it.

[A Happy Panda]

I was in love with the demo, and have been playing it for hours today since my free rental only lasts for 5 days, and this has been my only free day recently. I'm sick of Bioshock now, probably because of just playing it too much. I have until tuesday with it, but I don't think that I'll have the need to finish the game.

I need cutscenes in my games to advance the story. The whole diary messages seem so pointless to me. None of them have been saying anything useful from what I've played so far. Is the story not supposed to open up until really deep into the game? It's been pretty weak so far.

Anybody else get sick of this game after playing it for hours and hours? Maybe I just need to have a break from it.

I'm a bigger fan of cutscenes too. They provide nice breaks from the gameplay, and with visuals, they really help to flesh out the story and give you some visual aids. But yeah, the recordings seem ho-hum to me. Many of them don't really open up the central story, but they do add to the fiction of what happened in Rapture. But again, doesn't add much to the central story.

Jeff Gerstmann's video review said it best I think, he called it a piece of interactive fiction with mystery elements.

[Trakan]

I was in love with the demo, and have been playing it for hours today since my free rental only lasts for 5 days, and this has been my only free day recently. I'm sick of Bioshock now, probably because of just playing it too much. I have until tuesday with it, but I don't think that I'll have the need to finish the game.

I need cutscenes in my games to advance the story. The whole diary messages seem so pointless to me. None of them have been saying anything useful from what I've played so far. Is the story not supposed to open up until really deep into the game? It's been pretty weak so far.

Anybody else get sick of this game after playing it for hours and hours? Maybe I just need to have a break from it.

According to your achievements, you're maybe a quarter of the way through the game. Give it time.

[A Happy Panda]

Are there more pop-out moments in the game? It's really those moments that put the dread in me to play the game.

I've been watching my friend play his copy and he's only come across a couple so far, but if there's not so much of those like the old RE games, I feel like he'd waste less time creeping by slowly, peaking around every corner.

[Damian]

I need cutscenes in my games to advance the story. The whole diary messages seem so pointless to me.
I hate cutscenes. They jerk you out of the interactive experience into movie mode. They make the story and the game separate things. A good game tells the story without taking you out of it.

I'm not even that far into it (just got the camera and completed that task) and there is a lot of stuff happening with the audio clips. They're building a picture of Rapture and the events just before the collapse. I'm worried I missed one in the wharf actually, it was under a grate and I couldn't find a way to get to it despite trying forever.

[xeno]

can somone tell me wherehte last little sister is in neptunes bay is located?

[Jedi1979]

very cool of 2k to have the soundtrack available to download for free...even though it should have been in the set...they seem to be coming through in pleasing everybody that is into the game

[Kevlar281]

Everyday I go downstairs to make lunch and everyday I stare at the yellow Best Buy bag mocking me as it sits on the kitchen table “hiding” my birthday present from me. Nine more days to go.

[Apossum]

Are there more pop-out moments in the game? It's really those moments that put the dread in me to play the game.

I've been watching my friend play his copy and he's only come across a couple so far, but if there's not so much of those like the old RE games, I feel like he'd waste less time creeping by slowly, peaking around every corner.


there are plenty of pop out moments...a lot of them aren't even scripted. Splicers sneak up on you all the time.

I need cutscenes in my games to advance the story. The whole diary messages seem so pointless to me. None of them have been saying anything useful from what I've played so far. Is the story not supposed to open up until really deep into the game? It's been pretty weak so far.

Anybody else get sick of this game after playing it for hours and hours? Maybe I just need to have a break from it.


The diaries start out kind of random, but they come together. I'm a little over half way through and each diary advances the story nicely.

I think they're a great solution for telling the story without interrupting the game. reminds of me Metroid Prime. cutscenes usually seem very hackneyed in video games. after all, programmers are good at making games, not movies. not to mention the resources that go into making special animations for those scene, which take away from the game.

[TheFreshPrince]

Just got to Fort Frolic. ....anyone know about what percent complete I am at?

[A Happy Panda]

there are plenty of pop out moments...a lot of them aren't even scripted. Splicers sneak up on you all the time.

Well that's no good at all..

[Sockey]

Wow, just got my amazon order. This game is awesome. I'm also surprised at how scary it can be. IMO this is way scarier than condemned which was creepy but didn't have a lot of "surprises." Scariest moment for me: In the medical place (where the atmosphere is really creepy) you pick up some hacking tonic then the mist comes down. When you turn around there is a splicer right up in your face just standing there. Took me a while to recover from that. Can't wait to play more.

[Trakan]

Just got to Fort Frolic. ....anyone know about what percent complete I am at?

About half done. Maybe a little more.

[Logg]

I just rented this game after my son goes to bed, I will be all weekend. I guess no Doom or Bomberman for me this weekend.

[lordwow]

While the lights certianly go out a lot less than Doom 3, it scares the eff out me every time.

[Callandor]

If you want all the weapon upgrades, DO NOT KILL Sander Cohen right after the masterpiece is finished. Apparently one of the stations is in the part of his apartment that remains closed if you kill him right away.

[red flare graf]

I posted this in the other topic as well, but if anyone uses MusicBrainz, kindly vote for my entry of the score as the download doesn't even have ID3 tags.

http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?object_type=album&amp;object_id=640700&amp;mo d_status=1&amp;mod_status=8

[pimpinc333]

If you want all the weapon upgrades, DO NOT KILL Sander Cohen right after the masterpiece is finished. Apparently one of the stations is in the part of his apartment that remains closed if you kill him right away.

Where is his apartment located? I want to get the Secret Apartment location achievment

[PyroGamer]

While the lights certianly go out a lot less than Doom 3, it scares the eff out me every time.
Hmmm, maybe I was just younger at the time, but I think I was more scared while playing Doom 3.

[elsnow77]

If you want all the weapon upgrades, DO NOT KILL Sander Cohen right after the masterpiece is finished. Apparently one of the stations is in the part of his apartment that remains closed if you kill him right away. ah shit, also can anyone tell me where that place is? is it before i kill andrew ryan, or after

[slickkill77]

Before. Its in the theater level. I believe thats two before ryan

[PyroGamer]

Wow. Just got to the climax tonight.

Crazy awesome.

Will probably finish this up tomorrow night.

[Callandor]

Responding to the replies about my last post:

Cohen's apartment is found in the chapter right after you kill Ryan. Cohen himself is met in Fort Frolic; don't kill him there, and supposedly he will let you in the otherwise sealed area of his apartment later in the game.

The fact that there is a weapon upgrade station came from a post on gamefaqs.

Damn, I missed 5 weapon upgrades and ONE tonic in my first playthough. Ah, well, gives me a reason to play on hard! But those fucking big daddies are even harder...

[Surferflames]

I'm watching the featurette, which I guess is with the LE? It's floating around ze nets, and I must say this is one of the best featurettes for a game, or a movie for that matter. Definately feeds the commentary nerd in me.

[DeskLaser]

I posted this in the thread about checking for non-picked up preorders at Gamestop, but I figured I would post it here too, it might help someone out that is trying to find a CE. Apologies in advance if this was already discussed in this thread. Here is the post:

Just a heads up for everybody, I walked in to my local Gamestop today and asked how long they were holding Bioshock preorders, but it turned out they had some Bioshock CEs sitting aside in their "defect" area because of the broken figures. So if you still want to try to find a CE, you could try asking if there are any broken figure "defect" copies sitting aside and might be able to get one like I did.

[help1]

Guys, how good is this game exactly? Im coming back from vacation in 2 days and am pumped to play this bad boy.

Are there any people here who had their doubts or wanted multiplayer and are now fully satisfied? If there are, this 2 day wait will be unbearable!

Also, I consider myself pretty good at FPS games, should I play through the first time on hard, or jsut stick with medium? Also, I heard there are some things you can only get the first time through, and I want to get the most achievements as possible, what things should I be looking out for?

[JimmieMac]

Guys, how good is that game exactly?

This is why nobody likes you.

[Apossum]

so they made the OST available....I wonder if people will stop bitching now? this is easily one of the best games of all time and it seems like all people can do is bitch about OSTs and a missing shirt sleeve.

I'm not bitching about people in this thread, but every where else on the web.


Are there any people here who had their doubts or wanted multiplayer and are now fully satisfied?

If there is someone who wanted MP and isn't satisfied, they probably drink paint on a daily basis.

[help1]

This is why nobody likes you.


And this is why I want to have butseckz with you.

:D

EDIT, Apossum, what are OSTs?

[Sofa King Kool]

Are there any people here who had their doubts or wanted multiplayer and are now fully satisfied? If there are, this 2 day wait will be unbearable!
Don't worry, it's awesome. Even without multiplayer, this is easily one of the best games I've ever played. Everything is great. I'm really sad that I'm getting close to the end. I want to play it for the first time again.

[Halo05]

so they made the OST available....I wonder if people will stop bitching now? this is easily one of the best games of all time and it seems like all people can do is bitch about OSTs and a missing shirt sleeve.

I'm not bitching about people in this thread, but every where else on the web.




If there is someone who wanted MP and isn't satisfied, they probably drink paint on a daily basis.

What? You mean those uber-nerds at say, widescreen gamer? Fuck them, if they don't want to play this, it's their loss. Let their whiny asses go back to "pwning noobz" at fucking Counterstrike.

I really started rolling on this game tonight and my god, it's unspeakably good.

I just got to Arcadia and everything's all idyllic, I have a feeling things are going to go back downhill very quickly.

[help1]

Don't worry, it's awesome. Even without multiplayer. This is easily one of the best games I've ever played. Everything is great. I'm really sad that I'm getting close to the end. I want to play it for the first time again.

Thank you for the answer! Now im too stoked to play! The 6 hour airplane ride is going to drive me NUTS!

[Sofa King Kool]

Thank you for the answer! Now im too stoked to play! The 6 hour airplane ride is going to drive me NUTS!
Lol, where are you anyway? Bad vacation?

[FrankySox]

So I just beat the game and I was wondering how many of you that have feel like you want to go back and play the game again. I'm not so sure I'll ever play this again, I wish I would have rented it instead. Maybe I'll come around though, off to Madden for me.

[thrustbucket]

And this is why I want to have butseckz with you.

:D

EDIT, Apossum, what are OSTs?

Oooh I want to watch. I sure hope you will wear your full master chief suit (we all know you have one).

[seen]

I like that they released the score, too bad its all so dark sounding

[gunm]

OST = Official Soundtrack

/OT

[darthbudge]

So I just beat the game and I was wondering how many of you that have feel like you want to go back and play the game again. I'm not so sure I'll ever play this again, I wish I would have rented it instead.

Well I will definately go through it twice to get both endings. But I will actually do something that most people don't do, I played through on hard the first time and probably after that I will play on normal so I can get more of the story and die less.

[DiscoDuck8k]

Got the game yesterday and have really been enjoying it. Pretty amazing to say the least.

I have a question though (don't know if this has been asked already), has anyone else had the game freeze? A friend of mine said it kept happening on the first day after playing for a few hours. Sure enough, after playing most of the afternoon (I was up to Arcadia), it locked.

Didn't lose much progress, but it just got me wondering if this is widespread or not..

[seanr1221]

I showed my friends the game last night, and their jaws were literally on the floor.

[fraggedbylaggers]

I showed my friends the game last night, and their jaws were literally on the floor.

Same reaction at my house. Amazing stuff...

[Apossum]

I like that they released the score, too bad its all so dark sounding

if you want the swinging stuff, go check out Django Reinhardt. :)

[PyroGamer]

if you want the swinging stuff, go check out Django Reinhardt. :)
I didn't notice much gypsy jazz in the game, but it sure had alot of swooner tunes.

[PyroGamer]

This game proves that VideoGaming is the most capable art-form.

No other film or novel in recent memory has delt with such heavy issues in such astounding ways, and the potential for emotional attachment in this game is exploited to perfection.

[Apossum]

This game proves that VideoGaming is the most capable art-form.

No other film or novel in recent memory has delt with such heavy issues in such astounding ways, and the potential for emotional attachment in this game is exploited to perfection.



I agree, this is a big step for games towards their own brand of "cinematic storytelling." imo, the important thing is that it isn't done through cutscenes. games need to find their own effective ways of telling stories, not just by splicing (no pun intended) in movies in between gameplay and this game pulls it off.

[PyroGamer]

I agree, this is a big step for games towards their own brand of "cinematic storytelling." imo, the important thing is that it isn't done through cutscenes. games need to find their own effective ways of telling stories, not just by splicing (no pun intended) in movies in between gameplay and this game pulls it off.
When I stumble into a pile of confiscated bibles, or follow a ghost into a room that perhaps houses the corpse of my mother (which I don't learn until later)... this stuff it amazing.

The word that keeps coming to mind is "heavy"... this is really heavy stuff.

More than half of this game's storyline is learned by the player through choices of exploration that are not forced upon him. And yet, it's linear enough, it's forced enough, that it is truly a masterpiece of storytelling on the part of the dev team.

Everything in this game comes together so amazingly, every quote scrawled in blood on the wall, every audio-diary and even many of the corpses. The art design, the themes, this is really heavy stuff.



Sure, it impliments some rather "cliché" gameplay elements, but it seems to do it not at all to its detriment.


The last game that really pulled me in with storyline, as real "art", if you will, was Indigo Prophecy (which collapsed on the weight of its own greatness into a mass of rubbish in the last hour or so). That game was more of an interactive movie than anything. This game, it's not an interactive movie, it's not a "choose-your-own-adventure" -- it's a videogame. It's purely a videogame, and it accomplishes some of the most amazing things that most films have never come close to touching. If this is the infancy of videogaming... it scares me to think what artists like the folks at 2K Boston can do with this medium in the future.

[A Happy Panda]

Does anyone else see the irony that you get an artbook called "Breaking the Mold" when you send in your broken figure.

[PyroGamer]

Does anyone else see the irony that you get an artbook called "Breaking the Mold" when you send in your broken figure.
Actually I did notice that.

Not bad :lol:

The artbook is pretty borring in digital form. I wonder if I could buy it in print???


Also: where (besides Threadless) can I get BioShock T-Shirts and posters?

[Surferflames]

Has anyone successfully gotten the achievement for getting the jackpot on the slots? I've put a couple hundred dollars into this thing and I cant get higher then 2 dollar signs or 3 tomatos.

edit: Ok, apparently you have to post on a message board about it, then you will get it instantly.

edit edit: Cohen related. Where does he go after you finish his quest? I didn't kill him and would like to do so, or do I have to go and replay in order to do it?

[Trakan]

Where does he go after you finish his quest? I didn't kill him and would like to do so, or do I have to go and replay in order to do it?
Just continue on with the game and you'll run into him later.

[Surferflames]

Just continue on with the game and you'll run into him later.

Really? Beat it the other day and I've been running around from the pre-end save taking care of research achievements. I'll have to check around some more.

[Jimbo Slice]

Goddamn it. I just finished the whole bomb level and my 360 froze when loading After you open the door to Andrew Ryan, aka the door to the next level

GODDAMN IT! My last save is at the very, very beginning of the bomblevel.

[Apossum]

finally finished it. great shit but--(ultimate spoilers) the last boss was ridiculously easy since I had an army's worth of firepower. still nothing beats seeing a bunch of little sisters stabbing the hell out of Fontaine while yelling "Kill him!" :lol:

How different is the end if you harvest all the little sisters? I don't want to know the exact details, but if anyone has done both (or read spoilers), lemme know if it's completely different.

best game this gen so far, hands down.

[Jedi1979]

Goddamn it. I just finished the whole bomb level and my 360 froze when loading After you open the door to Andrew Ryan, aka the door to the next level

GODDAMN IT! My last save is at the very, very beginning of the bomblevel.


that happened to me twice already in different spots...luckily the second time i tend to save more often...I am hoping its just a fluke since my elite is one of the newer ones with the added heatsink

[Surferflames]

finally finished it. great shit but--(ultimate spoilers) the last boss was ridiculously easy since I had an army's worth of firepower. still nothing beats seeing a bunch of little sisters stabbing the hell out of Fontaine while yelling "Kill him!" :lol:

How different is the end if you harvest all the little sisters? I don't want to know the exact details, but if anyone has done both (or read spoilers), lemme know if it's completely different.

best game this gen so far, hands down.

in regards to your spoiler...
Yeah it was pretty easy, but I did enjoy FINALLY using my security target plasmid. When all the drones came out in the second(?) wave, I hit him with it a few times and they tore him to bits. Then of course they stayed around and took out the splicers, so that might have made it a tad easier.

[AshesofWake]

holy shit i love this game *cries*

[help1]

Lol, where are you anyway? Bad vacation?

Vancouver, Canada. I am here for some wedding that is now over, so now its family time, whcih includes a lot of sitting around hearing my younger cousins whine. Can't wait to play this bad boy, it'll be a relief!

Oooh I want to watch. I sure hope you will wear your full master chief suit (we all know you have one).

I would, but it just gets too tight down there. I have tried to get a boner in the suit, to complete my Cortana fantasies, but it wouldn't work. :cry:

;)

[Trakan]

finally finished it. great shit but--(ultimate spoilers) the last boss was ridiculously easy since I had an army's worth of firepower. still nothing beats seeing a bunch of little sisters stabbing the hell out of Fontaine while yelling "Kill him!" :lol:

How different is the end if you harvest all the little sisters? I don't want to know the exact details, but if anyone has done both (or read spoilers), lemme know if it's completely different.

best game this gen so far, hands down.

It's pretty different, you can watch it on Youtube.

[lobitoh]

If i have a broken tip on the figure can I exchage it?

[Kendal]

I don't know how far I am, but I am having a blast. I am not creeped out by the game anymore. I could probably play in the dark tonight if I wanted to. I get scared easily. Anyway, this game deserves the hype in my book. It could take a page from the glass shattering manual from Resistance: Fall of Man. But that is just superfulous detail that doesn't detract from the game. I am saving the little sisters this time. Fun game. Can't get enough of it.

[AshesofWake]

omg finished it.... now im sad..

[Jedi1979]

omg finished it.... now im sad..

lol, me too...

[AshesofWake]

fuck it, im starting again on hard lol


this time saving all the sisters

[KwanzaaTimmy]

Okay so i just beat this tonight...

While the Boss Fight was pretty lame, the lead up was excellent. So apparently the reason the Vita-Chambers worked for the player was because he was essentially half-Ryan. Big Daddies are just unlucky Jason Bournes. Fontlas apparently does not abide by the Gatherer's Garden rule of Character development. I'll play this again for sure, but for the time being I'm going to take a break.

[Callandor]

Ok, a Cohen observation:

If you choose not to kill him at the masterpiece, he opens up the sealed container with the Medical Expert 2 tonic (nice, seeing as how it'll take longer to get otherwise). If you kill him there, you loot the key for the chest container. which contains nothing of overall value.

Now, a Cohen question:

Has anyone found out if killing him and taking a picture LATER in the game counts toward the "Irony" achievement? Or if you can still loot the chest key from his body? I haven't made it that far yet on this playthough, but I'm just randomly curious.

I need to stop playing this game... too much fun. It feels like Oblivion with guns. :)

EDIT: One more question on that area: In Fort Frolic, in the side wing on the bottom floor on the atrium, in the mall area (it has a clothing store with a safe hidden behind a painting, and the smoke shop with the weapon upgrade), there is a storefront with a closed gate and malfunctioning door. Has anyone been able to get in to that store? The full store seems to be on the map's floor plan, but I don't think you can actually get in there, or I just can't figure out how.

[Kendal]

This is for those who have beat the game.

I just got to the part where you have to make the potion to save the trees. How far am I?

[Scobie]

Should be able to beat it today after a marathon session yesterday. Incredible game, but they really lay it on thick as you build towards the end, don't they? This game is just brutal, and I'm not sure how I feel about that yet.

[Trakan]

This is for those who have beat the game.

I just got to the part where you have to make the potion to save the trees. How far am I?

You're about half way through the game.

[slickkill77]

It was funny. I was just playing around to see what would happen if i didnt kill cohen right away and when he finished and was walking over to unlock the things I had to run into a trap bolt because of my previous big daddy fight. Otherwise he would have run into it and started to fight. Is Cohens apartment the area thats locked inside of the theater when you go up the stairs rather than the elevatorTree person not very far about half wayish.

[TheFreshPrince]

Question for people in Olympus Heights (or past that)...
I have saved all the little sisters, but wanted to know if you harvest all the little sisters, is there a different scene a Tenebaums Safe House? Does she still help you? Since I have saved them all, they all are there in the room saying 'He's helping us', etc. What happens for those of you who have harvested them all?

Thanks!

So, in the middle of Olympus Heights...how much more do I have?

[Surferflames]

It was funny. I was just playing around to see what would happen if i didnt kill cohen right away and when he finished and was walking over to unlock the things I had to run into a trap bolt because of my previous big daddy fight. Otherwise he would have run into it and started to fight. Is Cohens apartment the area thats locked inside of the theater when you go up the stairs rather than the elevatorTree person not very far about half wayish.

Reminds me a bit of using the bee plasmid while fighting splicers, then all of a sudden a big daddy beats the crap out of me. Apparently the bees did their own thing and made him angry :(

[Phorty Ounce]

Goddamn it. I just finished the whole bomb level and my 360 froze when loading After you open the door to Andrew Ryan, aka the door to the next level

GODDAMN IT! My last save is at the very, very beginning of the bomblevel.

That is why you should always, always take full advantage of the "save anywhere, everywhere" feature.

[pinebarrens]

Just finished Arcadia. This game is awesome. How far through am I?

[PyroGamer]

Just finished Arcadia. This game is awesome. How far through am I?
There are seven levels, if I remember properly.

[leveskikesko]

Best 360 exclusive so far.

I wanty.

[PyroGamer]

Best 360 exclusive so far.

I wanty.
Best next-gen game so far.

[zewone]

Best 360 exclusive so far.

I wanty.
So... you're declaring it the best, when you haven't played it yet?

[A Happy Panda]

So... you're declaring it the best, when you haven't played it yet?

Lawlz. I have to say the fanboyism on this game is quite rampant now. I'm enjoying the game quite a bit, and most of it is warranted, but the blind love? Not so much.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

Huh. So is it just me, or does the Camoflauge Tonic make security cams a non-issue?

[Liquid 2]

Huh. So is it just me, or does the Camoflauge Tonic make security cams a non-issue?It's just you. It seems useful initially, but how often do you simply stand still?

[zewone]

I thought/think the camo is worthless.

[defiance_17]

I thought/think the camo is worthless.
It allowed me to sneak up on some splicers once, but I probably could have done the same without it. The only thing it does for me is trick me into "hearing" Big Daddies in a distant room.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

It's just you. It seems useful initially, but how often do you simply stand still?

I don't. I just got it a bit ago, and since then whenever a camera spots me I just stop moving, the drones come out to look for me, I find the camera and take aim, and zap it/shoot it the moment the alert is over.

[Surferflames]

Huh. So is it just me, or does the Camoflauge Tonic make security cams a non-issue?


Sadly I got the tonic too late in the game (endgame spoiler) So while I was a big daddy all the cameras ignored me anyway. FYI this is a good time to go around exploring things you missed and taking pictures. The only thing that ever really attacks you while in the suit is the hudini splicers

[TheFreshPrince]

Does anyone agree that Big Daddies are a little too easy? I set up 4 or 5 Tripwires with the crossbow, then fire a grenade or a Heat Seeking RPG at the Big Daddy, and then I just stand back and he gets killed by the tripwires. I guess you could run out of ammo, but other than that, this seems to be an EASY fool-proof way to take out the Big Daddy without ever getting damaged, or wasting hardly any ammunition.

[Sofa King Kool]

I need to change my tonics. I have the electrical discharge one right now. There have been three seperate occasions where I'll be standing next to a Big Daddy and some dumbass splicer will come up and smack me. Then my electrical discharge goes off, and that doesn't make the Big Daddy very happy.

[SilverPaw750]

I need to change my tonics. I have the electrical discharge one right now. There have been three seperate occasions where I'll be standing next to a Big Daddy and some dumbass splicer will come up and smack me. Then my electrical discharge goes off, and that doesn't make the Big Daddy very happy.
That happens to me sometimes too, but then I just take out the frag grenades and let him have it. Usually six frags and three shotgun blasts (I've upgraded both) will take him down.

[AdvOfJet]

Anyone else having game freezing or studding issues in later levels ? After getting to the level with the Core, the game freezes for about 1-2 seconds with every few steps.

I tought at first maybe it was just my 360 overheating. I left the console off overnight and played again the next morning... same issue. If I go back to earlier levels, everything is fine.

I also get alot of texture popping during that level. Models will be walking around with very basic textures, no detail or bump-mapped textures like they normally have. Switching the framerate switch does not resolve any issues.

[AshesofWake]

Anyone else having game freezing or studding issues in later levels ? After getting to the level with the Core, the game freezes for about 1-2 seconds with every few steps.

I tought at first maybe it was just my 360 overheating. I left the console off overnight and played again the next morning... same issue. If I go back to earlier levels, everything is fine.

I also get alot of texture popping during that level. Models will be walking around with very basic textures, no detail or bump-mapped textures like they normally have. Switching the framerate switch does not resolve any issues.


mine started freezing in the last level, it froze at least 3 times. but i dunno if it was just my 360 or the game, meh...

[PyroGamer]

Maybe you guys just have too many saves stored up.

[SoulReaver]

I thought/think the camo is worthless. Found it very useful whenever security cameras came out. Just hid and waited for the time to run out.

Anyways, just beat the game today, I liked it, but my dissapointment was that the last act seemed a bit tact on. After the little sisters saved me and I got back to there home, I thought it was nearly at an end, with defeating Fontaine to be in the next game. But nope, it kept going from there. Still, I guess its a good thing, more bang for my buck. Anyways, going to try to beat the game now on hard and harvesting the sisters rather than saving them.

[Kendal]

I am pretty close to the end of the game. I am only guessing. Good game so far. I don't see myself playing through it again right away. Partly because next week is filled to the brim with games.

[MemphisGun]

Wow i just got Bio-Shock. I guess there was a problem or something because to me its not all that and a bag of chips.

[brandonabley]

Does anyone agree that Big Daddies are a little too easy? I set up 4 or 5 Tripwires with the crossbow, then fire a grenade or a Heat Seeking RPG at the Big Daddy, and then I just stand back and he gets killed by the tripwires. I guess you could run out of ammo, but other than that, this seems to be an EASY fool-proof way to take out the Big Daddy without ever getting damaged, or wasting hardly any ammunition.

What is your difficulty setting? If it isn't "Hard", it's silly to complain about something being too easy!

I am playing on hard, and up until the very end of the game, every encounter with a Big Daddy was an epic experience. The first one took me nearly an hour to kill, and exhausted a full stock of ammunition for every weapon I owned. I died at least 20 times. The difficulty of these beasts is about perfect; Big Daddies are just one notch below being completely invincible, and that's probably what the designer intended for them to be. Every one if challenging enough to be a full-fledged boss!

Once I got to the end, and had a fully upgraded crossbow and access to as many flame bolts as I would ever need as well as full research bonus, the Big Daddies aren't such a problem. I can even kill them without dying, now!

But yeah, you should play the game on Hard. That way you'll need a lot more than a few shotgun blasts. The only way you'll kill one in fewer than thirty shots is with the most powerful weapon in the game.

[Apossum]

It took a while to figure out the best way to kill one quickly, but yeah, once you're fully loaded with health, eve, plasmids, guns, and ammo, Big Daddies are easy. The whole last couple hours of the game you just dominate everything, though the splicers' energy gauges scale nicely to that.

[SilverPaw750]

Just beat the game on Medium - the final boss was a bit too easy, but it was still an AWESOME boss fight. I'm annoyed that it didn't tell me my completion time, but I'm estimating it took me around 20 hours, and I'll be playing through again on hard so I can kill all of the little sisters this time.

Is anyone trying for the achievement for finding all of the audio diaries? I'm going to go back and get the research achievements, but there have got to be 100+ audio diaries, scattered everywhere.

All in all, holy shit. Bioshock is way, way more than the sum of its parts; there are some issues (texture pop-in - though I experienced no stuttering or freezing, wonky dead body physics, etc), but the atmosphere and your connection to the characters totally transcends all of that. I can't wait to see what Irrational (or 2K Boston or whatever) does next.

...though if they DO construct a BioShock 2, I'd rather it only be thematically similar, not set in Rapture and with none of the same characters. Just another utopian/dystopian epic.

[Callandor]

Does anyone agree that Big Daddies are a little too easy? I set up 4 or 5 Tripwires with the crossbow, then fire a grenade or a Heat Seeking RPG at the Big Daddy, and then I just stand back and he gets killed by the tripwires. I guess you could run out of ammo, but other than that, this seems to be an EASY fool-proof way to take out the Big Daddy without ever getting damaged, or wasting hardly any ammunition.

Full research damage bonus + electric gel + gel consumption upgrade = easier. :)

[Megalith]

I just beat his head in with the freezing wrench until he shatters.

[Mrbaseball2710]

Hey guys,

I'm thinking I'm gonna wait a bit untill I can play more games before I'll pick this up. I was just wondering, is this more of a single player or multiplayer game. Is the multiplayer good? I mean like gears/halo/cod2 good not just fun for a little while. Thanks

[SynGamer]

Hey guys,

I'm thinking I'm gonna wait a bit untill I can play more games before I'll pick this up. I was just wondering, is this more of a single player or multiplayer game. Is the multiplayer good? I mean like gears/halo/cod2 good not just fun for a little while. Thanks

You obviously no nothing about this game...there is NO multiplayer. And while i am a bit sad to see that there is no multiplayer, this flatout beats 99% of the games that have come out in god knows how long in terms of story and fun.

[SynGamer]

...though if they DO construct a BioShock 2, I'd rather it only be thematically similar, not set in Rapture and with none of the same characters. Just another utopian/dystopian epic.
IF they do another game, i wouldn't mind seeing a prequel to Bioshock. Start out in a crisp, clean world underwater. A true utopia...but things start to go wrong and fast. This time we could witness the demise of everyone's sanity. Irrational Games could easily build a strong connection to the main character and perhaps the 'little sisters'.

Imagine the game changing over the course of a few days (in-game) as people go crazy, rooms/buildings/levels are destroyed...

[AshesofWake]

so i just realized i beat the game without ever getting the hypnotize big daddy plasmid, wtf...

[bil4ltool]

Im about 80% into the game and it just started doing the freezing that so many people here have been talking about. I only have 2 saves, so I know that's not the problem. It didn't happen until a few minutes ago, but whenever I'm walking every few seconds the game will freeze for about a second. It's to the point where the game is virtually unplayable.

I assume this is an xbox 360 issue, and not a coding issue with the game.

[Sofa King Kool]

IF they do another game, i wouldn't mind seeing a prequel to Bioshock. Start out in a crisp, clean world underwater. A true utopia...but things start to go wrong and fast. This time we could witness the demise of everyone's sanity. Irrational Games could easily build a strong connection to the main character and perhaps the 'little sisters'.

Imagine the game changing over the course of a few days (in-game) as people go crazy, rooms/buildings/levels are destroyed...
That does sound pretty cool...

[SilverPaw750]

IF they do another game, i wouldn't mind seeing a prequel to Bioshock. Start out in a crisp, clean world underwater. A true utopia...but things start to go wrong and fast. This time we could witness the demise of everyone's sanity. Irrational Games could easily build a strong connection to the main character and perhaps the 'little sisters'.

Imagine the game changing over the course of a few days (in-game) as people go crazy, rooms/buildings/levels are destroyed...

Holy shit, that would be REALLY cool! You should e-mail that to Irrational.

[SynGamer]

Holy shit, that would be REALLY cool! You should e-mail that to Irrational.
Actually i did...but i refined the idea(s) a bit;

"My proposed idea for your next project;

I wouldn't mind seeing a prequel to Bioshock. The game starts out in the crisp, clean, new underwater world of Rapture. A true utopia...but things start to go wrong and fast. This time we could witness the demise of everyone's sanity. Irrational Games could easily build a strong connection to the main character and perhaps the 'little sisters'. Or maybe a select group of Rapture citizens who have managed to maintain their sanity when everything else around them including people have begun to break down before complete chaos engulfs the city. The game could change over the course of a few days (in-game) as people go crazy, rooms/buildings/levels are destroyed...

The goal would be to show us just how great life was (or had hoped to be) in Rapture. In terms of gameplay, multiplayer would be a welcomed addition; The select group of citizens (i suggest focusing on 6 for the main story, though 1 main character with 5 supporting (mainly to further the story). For online multiplayer, players could play as one of the six citizens and fight off other players who are controller the splicers/big daddies.

Or scrap online multiplayer in the traditional sense and offer a co-op mode for 2 players. That would drop the focus down to 2 main characters each with a side story of their own. One could be a father trying to get to his family (wife and two daughters?) while the other is a woman trying to find her fiancé who disappeared a short while prior to the two characters meeting up. Players could choose to play the game solo offline (and also have the choice for which character to play and thus which story), or team up with a friend in co-op online where both stories are intertwined. Online co-op would be the obvious choice for the best story, but for those who want to do each separately, the option is there."

[asianxcore]

so i just realized i beat the game without ever getting the hypnotize big daddy plasmid, wtf...

I thought you only get that if you save instead of harvest little sisters.

I just entered Fort Frolic. I am going to take a break though since I played the game for 3 hours straight before getting there.

[Callandor]

so i just realized i beat the game without ever getting the hypnotize big daddy plasmid, wtf...

You get the first one for saving 3 little sisters, and the second level of it for saving (i think) 9 total. So if you did nothing but harvest little sisters, that would be why. Unless an alternative method exists?

[AshesofWake]

oh ok, i harvested everything. im playing on hard now and trying to save them, thanks!

[zewone]

Beat the game right now.

Pretty short.

The game was good, but I was sort of disappointed.

Too much hype I suppose.

[Moxio]

Beat the game right now.

Pretty short.

The game was good, but I was sort of disappointed.

Too much hype I suppose.

Definitely too much hype, but I was satisfied. A shame I got the shitty ending though. >:-O

[Jedi1979]

game is great...im annoyed i couldnt get the all research achievement since i didnt take pics of cameras in time...on my second run i guess i will have to...all i need now are the Hard, full research, and Historian achievements,

[AdvOfJet]

Im about 80% into the game and it just started doing the freezing that so many people here have been talking about. I only have 2 saves, so I know that's not the problem. It didn't happen until a few minutes ago, but whenever I'm walking every few seconds the game will freeze for about a second. It's to the point where the game is virtually unplayable.

I assume this is an xbox 360 issue, and not a coding issue with the game.

Yeah this is exactly the issue I was talking about. It had it fiarly bad in the core level. In the next level, everything was fine for the entire level. Then come the level after that, even worse than the first level I had freezing in. I can't seem to finish the game because everything keeps locking up every few steps. makes it incredibly hard to hit anything.

[Surferflames]

Well I just amazon'ed my copy for 50ish. I'm glad I supported the game at launch, but it really doesn't have the legs to stay with me any longer. Hopefully the 360 sees more quality titles like this, but perhaps with a bit more playtime.

[PyroGamer]

Actually, I'm starting to feel this game goes for a little bit too long.

You can only cookie-cut "scavenger hunt" missions so many times before you start to tire of it.

[Surferflames]

That's the reason I won't play through it again. Some of the tedium run back and forth bits.

[jughead]

I'm on normal and finding the combat very difficult. This game is awesome!
Just a little update. After getting a few more power ups and getting to know the enemies a bit better I would say the combat has gotten easier. I can finally take down a Big Daddy without dying. I think that should be an achievement.

[kapkorn]

Sweet thanks for the soundtrack DL.

[A Happy Panda]

So are people coming off of their Bioshock high?

Admittedly, I'm not very far in the game, but 10/10 scores? Way too high.

[PyroGamer]

Finally beat it.

Ending made me tear a little, I'm such a sob :D


ULTIMATE SPOILER FOR THOSE WHO HAVNEN'T RESCUED ALL LITTLE SISTERS AND BEATEN THE GAME Those little sisters jumping on Fontaine, stabbing him to death, that was so elating and fulfilling. One of the happiest moments in all of videogaming right there.

[asianxcore]

So I just arrived at Hephaestus. Any idea how many hours I have left?

Normally I wouldn't ask, but I want to start Blue Dragon ASAP this week.

[Kendal]

Just beat it and love the game. I still think the game deserves the praise and scores that it got.

That was it? Sure I played on easy, but the ending was so so. I don't see myself getting rid of the game, but the ending seemed kinda half baked. Well it was straight and to the point. I guess that is how the game should end. This was a no bullshit, don't fuck around, in your face game. I can't wait to play it again in a couple months.

[Callandor]

So I just arrived at Hephaestus. Any idea how many hours I have left?

Normally I wouldn't ask, but I want to start Blue Dragon ASAP this week.
Depending on how fanatical you are about searching for every little thing, I'd say about 6-8 hours.

Finished my hard game last night, and got the rest of the achievements! Whoo, that 1000/1000 looks beautiful. :)

[eswat]

With all the other crap that gets perfect scores from the press, this is a 10/10 easily.

I expected more from the spiritual successor to System Shock 2, but this is good enough.

[Sendell]

I'm so angry!! I preordered this game from bestbuy online a few weeks ago, thinking it would come in the mail 2 or 3 days later, but I STILL haven't gotten it yet!!! How frustrating. Now all I have to keep me satisfied is the orchestral soundtrack, which is really very well done.

[Jedi1979]

what is so bad about the enemies getting harder as you get further along regardless of apearance?...wouldnt that be a good thing?

[A Happy Panda]

what is so bad about the enemies getting harder as you get further along regardless of apearance?...wouldnt that be a good thing?

? People who have zero armor should die when I shoot them in the chest point blank with a shotgun. They do it now where I'm currently at in the game. Did they become bulletproof suddenly later on? Those are just my thoughts. To me, a 10/10 score warrants perfection. A detail like that, that is overlooked, does not warrant perfection. To others, 10/10 simply means this game is above the rest.

[Jedi1979]

? People who have zero armor should die when I shoot them in the chest point blank with a shotgun. They do it now where I'm currently at in the game. Did they become bulletproof suddenly later on?

as you get more powerful later one why shouldnt they...this game would suck if it was just that easy...i actually had a harder time fighting some of those houdini splicers then the big daddys late in the game

[Jedi1979]

? People who have zero armor should die when I shoot them in the chest point blank with a shotgun. They do it now where I'm currently at in the game. Did they become bulletproof suddenly later on? Those are just my thoughts. To me, a 10/10 score warrants perfection. A detail like that, that is overlooked, does not warrant perfection. To others, 10/10 simply means this game is above the rest.

i wouldnt give the game a 10 but it is a very good and enjoyable game that sets itself aside from the rest of the pack...if it had multiplayer then it might have been a 10...i would love to fight against other people using plasmids against each other

[A Happy Panda]

as you get more powerful later one why shouldnt they...this game would suck if it was just that easy...i actually had a harder time fighting some of those houdini splicers then the big daddys late in the game

I agree, it would suck. But couldn't they signify a difference in their appearance? Or even have one line from Atlas saying like "The splicers have started enhancing their health, or started taking the bulletproof whatever tonic" I would be happy.

Don't get me wrong, I fully enjoy the game. I just find the yells of "Gaming perfection or "10/10" are unfounded, and frankly, blind to some of the game's imperfections.

Also I agree, MP would've been SO awesome with the plasmids. Can you imagine having a guy huck a grenade at you, only to throw it back with telekenesis? Man.

[porieux]

It what's on the inside that counts.

If this game is not above a 9/10 then every other game rating needs points deducted from it.

[mykevermin]

I'm almost 75-80% through the game (I think, I just did not kill Sander Cohen), and for everything that's good about the game, I really, really feel let down that there's little incentive for me to use anything but the Electro Bolt/Wrench combo, unless I'm fighting Big Daddies. The wrench is *WAY* too strong in this game, IMO. I am looking forward to trying this on hard, though. A FPS must be good if I'll play through it twice.

It's a damned good game, but not perfect.

[Rei no Otaku]

It what's on the inside that counts.

If this game is not above a 9/10 then every other game rating needs points deducted from it.
Just finished the game and could not have said it better myself. No, the game isn't perfect. The problem is that it's far better than most games that get 9s.

[Agrippan]

I'm almost 75-80% through the game (I think, I just did not kill Sander Cohen), and for everything that's good about the game, I really, really feel let down that there's little incentive for me to use anything but the Electro Bolt/Wrench combo, unless I'm fighting Big Daddies. The wrench is *WAY* too strong in this game, IMO. I am looking forward to trying this on hard, though. A FPS must be good if I'll play through it twice.

It's a damned good game, but not perfect.
I actually worked with the wrench/electro for a while, but then started really getting into other strategies. I did incinerate-run to water- electro, started using all the chem thrower stuff, and used both the crossbow and shotgun secondary fires pretty often. I can definitely see people not liking the combat in the game, and also the complaint about the easiness due to revival is valid, but (and I hate to parrot Ken Levine) I really found the strength of the combat to lie in the number of viable options I had.

I can also see the problem some may have with the whole diary system; at first they seemed disparate, but once I started picking up more of them, they both fleshed out Rapture and came together to explain just what the hell was going on.

[King]

Beat the game a little while ago, good fun. Now I only have the audio diary and Tonic achievements left.

[RelentlessRolento]

I still don't see the need to play this right away. I'll probably get it after the holiday rush since it officially starts for me this week.

[paz9x]

wow battle of the internetz

[Kendal]

How many endings are there?

[daroga]

Admidst the bickering, can I ask a question? ;)

When you pause the game and it shows the Little Sisters in the elvel, does that change as you rescue/harvest them?

The reason I ask is this. I'm in Neptune's Bounty and I've gotten the 3 pictures and I was heading back to deliver them when the game comes up and says, "Um, you missed some Little Sisters, you might want to go back..." I killed 2 Big Daddies ("Rosie"?) with whom I found no little sisters (one in the aqua tube, one in the section where you find the spider guy near Room 5). Am I missing something? To these hulk enemies appear without the sisters attached? The pause menu has 3 pictures, two Little Sisters by themsalves, and one with the girl w/ a Big Daddy. That's been the same since I fought the two sister-less enemies.

Great game, and I'm really digging it when I've got time to play.

[Rei no Otaku]

The picture of the little sister and the big daddy together means you didn't harvest/rescue that one. And yes, big daddies do appear without little sisters. If you see one, and there's more sisters left, just follow it until it gets to one of the holes. It'll knock and call her out.

[daroga]

So with 2 pictures of lone sisters and one of the apir, I have a Big Daddy w/ sister to take down and two to let them call out of the hole?

If I've already killed them do they respawn or am I SOL?

[SilverPaw750]

So with 2 pictures of lone sisters and one of the apir, I have a Big Daddy w/ sister to take down and two to let them call out of the hole?

If I've already killed them do they respawn or am I SOL?
They respawn, just keep wandering around.

[Rei no Otaku]

No, you have 2 you harvested/saved and one still running around somewhere. I'm not sure if the Big Daddies respawn. I never killed them before they called a sister.

[zewone]

So with 2 pictures of lone sisters and one of the apir, I have a Big Daddy w/ sister to take down and two to let them call out of the hole?

If I've already killed them do they respawn or am I SOL?
No. If you killed them it's probably the picture you're describing. All little sisters you haven't deal with , even in their hole, have a picture with a big daddy.

They do not respawn, each little sister is an important decision in regards to the ending.

EDIT: Oh wait, you're talking about the big daddies? Yeah, they respawn constantly.

[daroga]

right, I meant the Big Daddies to call them out of the holes respawning.

[Mr Durand Pierre]

So with 2 pictures of lone sisters and one of the apir, I have a Big Daddy w/ sister to take down and two to let them call out of the hole?

If I've already killed them do they respawn or am I SOL?

Unfortunately, you have probably encountered the same horrid glitch as I did. Let me explain:

Big Daddies and Little Sisters are spawned separately. Big Daddies respawn, Little Sister don't. In order to find a Little Sister, all you need to do is follow a Big Daddy until he pounds on a vent. If there are any Little Sisters left in the level, one should come out. If you've dealt with them all, the Big Daddies will pound a few extra times and walk away.

However, there is a glitch in Neptune's Bounty making it so the game thinks you've dealt with 3 of them, though you've only dealt with 2. A far more common glitch makes it so an extra Little Sister appears in the level. That's just silly. But yes, you will need to reload an earlier save (preferably before the level or early on in in) and replay the whole thing again.

I still have no idea what causes this glitch and it was easily my biggest mark against the game as a whole.

[daroga]

The game still thinks according to the pause menu that I've only gotten two. Does that happen even with the glitch?

[Rei no Otaku]

The game still thinks according to the pause menu that I've only gotten two. Does that happen even with the glitch?
Just follow a Big Daddy and find out lol.

[Mr Durand Pierre]

The game still thinks according to the pause menu that I've only gotten two. Does that happen even with the glitch?

Haven't you only gotten two? The pause menu seems to keep accurate track of how many you've dealt with. The glitch is merely that the third sister fails to show up. Very sad.

[mykevermin]

Ugh. My 360 just froze at the Gatherer's Garden in Point Prometheus. Very frustrating. I hope I saved recently. ;)

[CAG 79]

Finally got 1000/1000 on this. Awesome game but I'm officially "shocked" out for now. Now onto Halo 2 and Condemned.

[mcgavin27]

I just got to the submarine part where you meet up with Atlas. Ever since the ice area, where you have the flash back, the graphics have been all grainy. The have not returned to normal yet. Is this normal?

[lordwow]

Ugh. My 360 just froze at the Gatherer's Garden in Point Prometheus. Very frustrating. I hope I saved recently. ;)

My 360 has frozen about twice while playing this. I'm adapting a "save early, save often" policy, because it's really 30-45 minutes of play I've lost each time.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

I only ever get freezes when picking up a new tonic or filling up the research bar.

[Apossum]

are you guys who are getting freeze ups and stuff playing on older systems? just curious if it might be a heating problem.

[AdvOfJet]

are you guys who are getting freeze ups and stuff playing on older systems? just curious if it might be a heating problem.

It's not a heating problem. After I first starting getting the freezing, it now does it even when the 360 is freshly turned on. The problems with me started with missing textures about halfway through the game and things got steadily worse.

[porieux]

Cleared cache?

[Maynard]

So i just finally got this tonight and I have to say that it has lived up to the 'Shock' series in terms of scares. I will say that System Shock II was probably a little more creepy just due to the whole nature of the game itself. Definately had some freaky moments so far.

A few that stand out

when your going into the funeral home and you go through the water (water freaks me out anyway because you have no clue what is in it) and the lights go out and the guy disappears

The point where you get the shotgun for the first time and all the lights go out and my Dolby Digital amazing sound system had sounds all over the room to the point where i was looking around IRL at one moment and thought holy shit

[lordwow]

are you guys who are getting freeze ups and stuff playing on older systems? just curious if it might be a heating problem.

I'm on an olderish system. Produced early this year, so it doesn't have the good heatsink or whatever.

But ya, mine's chilling on top of a freezer with open space all around it. Rarely freezes.

[PyroGamer]

There was only one missing texture, and that's when I just reloaded a save standing by a little sister vent about to call her out and there was no texture on the little sister vent, but then it came back within seconds.

I did get ALOT of freezing in the very last level, five minutes to the end of it (five minutes to the end boss). It dind't force me to restart, but for a couple seconds everything would lock up all glitchy-like.

Of course, at this time I had over 700 MB of save files that probably didn't help things along.

[-Never4ever-]

Alright this is really bugging me I'm at Fort Frolic, before meeting Cohen and I just need to know; how much more of the game is there (percentage wise)? It's not that I don't like the game, far from it (easily in my top 10 all-time greats), I just want to know how much more to go before I finish the game.

EDIT: Playing through the level mentioned above and I seem to be stuck. I'm at the point in the Cohen level where I can go up to his room (and he says something about not being ready yet), but I can't go through a glass door next to some sort of elevator shaft thingy. I've searched around for an alternate route to no avail AND the arrow is pointing me in direction past the door.

[PyroGamer]

Try going up the elevator to your left when facing the glass door.

I forget exactly how that section went, but I remember being confused for a second as well.


You're about 70% done, depending on how long you spend exploring from now on.

[-Never4ever-]

Try going up the elevator to your left when facing the glass door.

I forget exactly how that section went, but I remember being confused for a second as well.


You're about 70% done, depending on how long you spend exploring from now on.

Aright, I see what I did wrong I forgot to hit the elevator button.

Thanks for letting know how far along I am, I plan on saving as many of the little sisters as possible and I usually spend an inane amount of time exploring the levels, so I've probably got a good number of hours to go -- which is awesome, but it looks like Metroid Prime 3 will have to wait.

[PyroGamer]

Question (engame spoiler):

Why were you on the airplane in the first place?

Why did Fontaine bring you topside and put you on a plane over the atlantic?

Did he just need to perfect the illusion so that you'd take out Ryan for him?

It seems a little... extravagant.


Seems like he could have found an easier way to send his pawn after Ryan.

[Rei no Otaku]

Question (engame spoiler):

Why were you on the airplane in the first place?

Why did Fontaine bring you topside and put you on a plane over the atlantic?

Did he just need to perfect the illusion so that you'd take out Ryan for him?

It seems a little... extravagant.


Seems like he could have found an easier way to send his pawn after Ryan.
Maybe Ryan was getting wise to his plan, so Fontaine needed to get you out of Rapture. Then he just sent you a package with orders to come back when the time was right.

[-Never4ever-]

F'n A I died trying to kill Cohen, and the boss battle just ended. Can I end up killing him later?

[SoulReaver]

F'n A I died trying to kill Cohen, and the boss battle just ended. Can I end up killing him later? I myself killed him but I heard you will see him later in the game, so maybe....the prize you get in that box for beating him isn't that great anyways.

[whiptcracker]

Question about how far I am from the end

I'm at the Olympus Heights (I think that's it's name) and I'm near the goal for finding the cure for the mind control plasmid. How far am I from the end? I've explored and hunted down all the tapes and occasionally went back to previous levels just to make sure I got everything and I'm clocking about 10 hours so far. I'm moving and have to pack up my 360 soon, am I close enough to the end where I can beat the game before needing to pack it up? I hear people talking about 18-20 hours but it seems like some major plot stuff just happened so I think I'm near the end.

[onetrackmind]

I just got Bioshock last night and only got like 45 minutes to play but so far this is the first game in a really long time where the atomosphere is so captivating that i find myself just standing around looking at everything. I haven't done that probably since GTA 3. Like i said i haven't played much of the game but so far i am very impressed.

[asianxcore]

Are there any little sisters left to harvest/save after Point Prometheus?

I have gotten all on this level but haven't gotten the achievement (Harvesting/Saving All Little Sisters) yet. Do I have to beat the game first?

[Rei no Otaku]

Are there any little sisters left to harvest/save after Point Prometheus?

I have gotten all on this level but haven't gotten the achievement (Harvesting/Saving All Little Sisters) yet. Do I have to beat the game first?
You get the achievement before you beat the game.