BIOSHOCK - Gen. Discussion & Info

[pimpinc333]

Pretty funny "review" of bioshock:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/zeropunctuation/1394-Zero-Punctuation-BioShock

Hope this hasn't been posted already, I've purposely been skimming through this thread so as not to see spoilers.

:rofl: Great Stuff.

[slickkill77]

Yea....I just beat the game for a second time with the bad ending and all I can say is wow. That truly made me feel like a thug and Im glad mine first time through I did the good ending

[paz9x]

well mine finally arrived. ive got a few hours in.. and so far the hype didnt let me down. i dont have the , "this is the best game ever" thoughts floating through my head, but it is very solid and one of the very best this gen for sure.

[A Happy Panda]

well mine finally arrived. ive got a few hours in.. and so far the hype didnt let me down. i dont have the , "this is the best game ever" thoughts floating through my head, but it is very solid and one of the very best this gen for sure.

Well, you're either going to stay in that mindset, or some of the gameplay aspects are really going to start to aggravate you.

[help1]

Im right near the final boss battle, but im following this slow ass little sister around. I heard there is submarine thing right before him so that you can go back and find all the power to the people stations and little sisters, right? Is there a list of where all the little sisters are found (like specific parts of levels)?

Also, I heard there is one level that has one extra little sister that isn't listed in the start menu. Do I need that one for getting the savior achievement?

Also, is Sander Cohens apartment in the same level as his master piece?

[lordwow]

Im right near the final boss battle, but im following this slow ass little sister around. I heard there is submarine thing right before him so that you can go back and find all the power to the people stations and little sisters, right? Is there a list of where all the little sisters are found (like specific parts of levels)?

Also, I heard there is one level that has one extra little sister that isn't listed in the start menu. Do I need that one for getting the savior achievement?

Also, is Sander Cohens apartment in the same level as his master piece?




I'm pretty sure Little Sisters are generated by Big Daddy knocking on the wall. Since Big Daddys respawn even if there are no little sisters left, just go back to the levels you still have little sisters left in, find a Big Daddy and follow it until it calls out a little sister.

I didn't find an extra little sister and I got the achievement.

[A Happy Panda]

Im right near the final boss battle, but im following this slow ass little sister around. I heard there is submarine thing right before him so that you can go back and find all the power to the people stations and little sisters, right? Is there a list of where all the little sisters are found (like specific parts of levels)?

Also, I heard there is one level that has one extra little sister that isn't listed in the start menu. Do I need that one for getting the savior achievement?

Also, is Sander Cohens apartment in the same level as his master piece?



You'll take an elevator up to the boss. It auto-saves. I highly suggest manually saving before it, or before the final "room" before the fight.

Just go through all the levels of Rapture, and look at the pause menu and just make sure the Little Sisters are listed as rescued there. I didn't find an extra Little Sister (at least I don't think I did) and I got the achievement.

And no, Sander Cohen's apartment is in a later level. I forget what it's called, but its the one with all the apartments. There's a room with 2 splicers dancing to music, to get Cohen to come out you mess up the record player and kill the splicers.

[SteveMcQ]

I'm not that far at all in the game (third level, I think), but damn...the way they play with the lighting effects with certain characters is really creeping me out. I was doing fine the first few levels. If you're not playing this with surround, you're really missing out.

[Javery]

Well, according to my wife my 360 finally arrived from MS. I guess I'll be starting BioShock this weekend even though I'm tempted to hold off until I finish Metroid Prime 3 (but I just started that one too)....

[youruglyclone]

For CE owners

anyone get their Big Daddy Coffins and artbook yet?

[Damian]

For CE owners
anyone get their Big Daddy Coffins and artbook yet?
I didn't get my coffin, no. You don't get the artbook until they've received your broken Big Daddy.

[rhofman]

question about the airplane


Why would Fontaine have Jack return in an airplane? Isn't it most likely that he would have died in the crash? And if Jack wasn't physically flying the plane, how likely is it that he could find a flight that went directly over Rapture? And wouldn't a boat have made quite a bit more sense? And finally, how would Fontaine get a message out to Jack to return to Rapture? (I suppose that Jack could have been preprogrammed to return at a specific point in time).

I am only at Olympus Heights and haven't completed the game, so if any of these questions are answered later please let me know. I couldn't wait with these questions though, and it seems like most of the major reveals have already taken place.

thanks to happy panda for explaining the spoiler tab to me

[A Happy Panda]

POSSIBLE SPOILERS





Why would Fontaine have Jack return in an airplane? Isn't it most likely that he would have died in the crash? And if Jack wasn't physically flying the plane, how likely is it that he could find a flight that went directly over Rapture? And wouldn't a boat have made quite a bit more sense? And finally, how would Fontaine get a message out to Jack to return to Rapture? (I suppose that Jack could have been preprogrammed to return at a specific point in time).

ps I didn't know how to hide the text with the spoiler tab that I've been seeing so I hope this doesn't ruin anything for anybody. Also, I am only at
Olympus Heights and haven't completed the game, so if any of these questions are answered later please let me know. I couldn't wait with these questions though, and it seems like most of the major reveals have already taken place.

Put your text between [ spoiler ] [/ spoiler ] tags but without the spaces between the [ ]

[Tintenfisch]

The Key to beating Bioshock is a really pimp wrentch

[getmyrunon]

Put your text between [ spoiler ] [/ spoiler ] tags but without the spaces between the [ ]

your quote still shows his non-spoiled text, fyi :)

[slickkill77]

You asked the question to early but what happens is Jack hijacked the plane. I didnt see if you beat the game but Andrew tells you that. There was a gun in the "gift"

[RollingSkull]

question about the airplane


Why would Fontaine have Jack return in an airplane? Isn't it most likely that he would have died in the crash? And if Jack wasn't physically flying the plane, how likely is it that he could find a flight that went directly over Rapture? And wouldn't a boat have made quite a bit more sense? And finally, how would Fontaine get a message out to Jack to return to Rapture? (I suppose that Jack could have been preprogrammed to return at a specific point in time).

I am only at Olympus Heights and haven't completed the game, so if any of these questions are answered later please let me know. I couldn't wait with these questions though, and it seems like most of the major reveals have already taken place.

thanks to happy panda for explaining the spoiler tab to me

No. There's nothing more to that plot bit. Yes, it is perhaps the dumbest, most improbable master plan in the history of video gaming, and that includes METAL GEAR plots, dear Lord.

[A Happy Panda]

your quote still shows his non-spoiled text, fyi :)

Roffle. Fixed.

And no RollingSkull. MGS still wins for most fucking retarded plots in gaming history.

[darthbudge]

Hey guys I have a question about how much longer I have to go: I am in Fort Frolic getting the pics for Cohen.

How many hours do you think I have left? CoD4 Beta distracted me and Eternal Sonata comes out monday so I want to finish this before then.

Also if you are in Fort Frolic, where is the best place to get more film?

[Maklershed]

Hey guys I have a question about how much longer I have to go: I am in Fort Frolic getting the pics for Cohen.

How many hours do you think I have left? CoD4 Beta distracted me and Eternal Sonata comes out monday so I want to finish this before then.

Also if you are in Fort Frolic, where is the best place to get more film?

You're about halfway through the game. And the best place to get film is just look for it laying on the floor and in random places (there are some tripods w/ cameras set up at some spots that you can take film from). And also check the Circus of Value vending machines ... they all seem to have film in them.

[red flare graf]

Security Cameras usually have film as well. Smash thems.

[catapult37]

A better question might be why the heck fontaine sent jack out of rapture in the first place. Is there ANY explanation that makes this "plan" make sense? I assume Jack's sole purpose in life was to kill Ryan.... was it important that jack think he was an outsider? since Fontaine could supply him with memories, why did he actually have to be on the plane? -- actually, that reminds me -- when i first hit this plot point, I thought maybe you (jack) had NEVER been off rapture and the plane, too, was a memory implant. That would be more interesting, I think....

[slickkill77]

Guys JACK HIJACKED THE PLANE!!!!!! Ryan tells you this when he is telling you what Fontaine was doing. Also the reason Fontaine sends you away is because he wasnt powerful enough to attack ryan yet. He needed the city to go to shit and sort of establish an army

[SoulReaver]

No crap...

[Damian]

Guys JACK HIJACKED THE PLANE!!!!!!
No kidding, genius. Learn to use spoiler tags.

[Phorty Ounce]

I don't like slickkill. I guess he isn't so "slick" when it comes to basic spoiler tagging.

Fool.

[slickkill77]

Im sick of the stupid spoilers...You guys obviously dont read. Im answering the question about how the airplane got where it was. Look if your reading this thread and havent beaten the game at this point thats your fault. What good would come out of reading this thread?

[RollingSkull]

A better question might be why the heck fontaine sent jack out of rapture in the first place. Is there ANY explanation that makes this "plan" make sense? I assume Jack's sole purpose in life was to kill Ryan.... was it important that jack think he was an outsider? since Fontaine could supply him with memories, why did he actually have to be on the plane? -- actually, that reminds me -- when i first hit this plot point, I thought maybe you (jack) had NEVER been off rapture and the plane, too, was a memory implant. That would be more interesting, I think....

You're asking the right questions, definitely. The problem is that there are no good answers. There was no damn good reason why Fontaine chose this most ridiculous of all methods for carrying out his plan. Slickkill doesn't get it. The whole plane hijack thing is a stupidly risky method of 'reinsertion' that requires that Jack work alone and away from all of the people who Fontaine had working on him. Ryan was in a locked tin can in the middle of an undersea facility and somehow taking Ryan's son and putting him under mind control was the most logical way of killing Ryan. He couldn't, say, flood the tin can with Ryan in it? He couldn't cut Ryan off power-wise?

It was a stupid plot. That's all there is to it. Bioshock is a crappy story told really, really well. Enjoy the ride, but don't think too hard.

More general question to everyone on the forums here: Does anyone know the timeframe for all of these events? Suchong died without having perfected the Big Daddy/Little Sister relationship, but he was also instrumental in raising and age-accelerating Jack. Or is this another plothole in the Bioshock story leakier than Rapture itself.

Final thoughts: As much as I love Bioshock, if we "shove it up Ebert's ass," we give him the easy retort that his colonoscopy will have fewer plotholes.

[Kayden]

The building Ryan was in was Hephaestus, the geo-thermal powerplant for all of Rapture, distroying that building would destroy rapture.
It's also fairly evident by his death that Suchong DID perfect the bonding plasmid, as for the timeline... its hard to say. I don't think hard dates were ever really given for much of anything.


You're asking the right questions, definitely. The problem is that there are no good answers. There was no damn good reason why Fontaine chose this most ridiculous of all methods for carrying out his plan. Slickkill doesn't get it. The whole plane hijack thing is a stupidly risky method of 'reinsertion' that requires that Jack work alone and away from all of the people who Fontaine had working on him. Ryan was in a locked tin can in the middle of an undersea facility and somehow taking Ryan's son and putting him under mind control was the most logical way of killing Ryan. He couldn't, say, flood the tin can with Ryan in it? He couldn't cut Ryan off power-wise?

It was a stupid plot. That's all there is to it. Bioshock is a crappy story told really, really well. Enjoy the ride, but don't think too hard.

More general question to everyone on the forums here: Does anyone know the timeframe for all of these events? Suchong died without having perfected the Big Daddy/Little Sister relationship, but he was also instrumental in raising and age-accelerating Jack. Or is this another plothole in the Bioshock story leakier than Rapture itself.

Final thoughts: As much as I love Bioshock, if we "shove it up Ebert's ass," we give him the easy retort that his colonoscopy will have fewer plotholes.

[Damian]

Look if your reading this thread and havent beaten the game at this point thats your fault. What good would come out of reading this thread?
Again, genius, if you were reading the thread you would see it's comprised of two sorts of people. People discussing the game after completion, and people playing the game looking for help. Until you showed up and threw your little temper tantrum the former group was considerate enough to not spoil things for the latter group.

[Damian]

More general question to everyone on the forums here: Does anyone know the timeframe for all of these events? Suchong died without having perfected the Big Daddy/Little Sister relationship, but he was also instrumental in raising and age-accelerating Jack. Or is this another plothole in the Bioshock story leakier than Rapture itself.
No, he did. In one of the audio diaries Suchong is being bothered by one of the Sisters and he keeps shooing her away, he eventually smacks her and a Big Daddy gets riled up and kills him.

[RollingSkull]

No, he did. In one of the audio diaries Suchong is being bothered by one of the Sisters and he keeps shooing her away, he eventually smacks her and a Big Daddy gets riled up and kills him.

I know that well, I joked about it earlier. But ONE prototype doesn't mean it is perfect!

[Damian]

I know that well, I joked about it earlier. But ONE prototype doesn't mean it is perfect!
True, but it's not too much of a suspension of disbelief that if he made the big breakthrough his assistants could have implemented it.

[thrustbucket]

Im sick of the stupid spoilers...You guys obviously dont read. Im answering the question about how the airplane got where it was. Look if your reading this thread and havent beaten the game at this point thats your fault. What good would come out of reading this thread?

So basically nobody should participate in this thread if they didn't buy the game at launch and rush through it as fast as possible?

Might want to petition to have the thread title changed then - to something like "Bioshock - Finished game discussion only"

[Rei no Otaku]

Maybe the people who need gameplay help should make their own thread? Meh, I have little sympathy for spoilers myself since I don't care about them. I use the tags though because I don't feel like hearing people whine.

And to RollingSkull: The reason Fontaine used Ryan's son is because of the vita-chambers. At least that's what I assumed.

[Phorty Ounce]

The building Ryan was in was Hephaestus, the geo-thermal powerplant for all of Rapture, distroying that building would destroy rapture.
It's also fairly evident by his death that Suchong DID perfect the bonding plasmid, as for the timeline... its hard to say. I don't think hard dates were ever really given for much of anything.


Ahhh. Kayden, when I clicked on your "single greatest post ever" link I expected witty words, not witty titties.

Foo.

[yummytyson]

someone help me, i'm looking for cobb, and the stiarway is blocked off, and the stupid vent in the corner wont fucken break, this is my 2nd time playing through this game, and the 1st time it was broken. this is a crock of shit >=O

[Damian]

someone help me, i'm looking for cobb, and the stiarway is blocked off, and the stupid vent in the corner wont fucken break, this is my 2nd time playing through this game, and the 1st time it was broken. this is a crock of shit >=O
As I recall it's a crawlspace, not a vent. Hit A to open it.

[yummytyson]

oh.. thank you, but i just ended up killing myself =[

[exileinoblivion]

is anyone else having massive freezing issues since the update? I'm not sure if it was a dash update or a bioshock update but I had to download something a few days back when I popped bioshock in and now the game freezes for like 3-6 seconds in every 10-30 second interval. It's making the game unplayable and I'm getting really pissed off. It's not the game disc, I checked it and its pristine, and I don't think its my machine because I have been playing a lot of eternal sonata and skate lately with no problems what so ever.

[Damian]

is anyone else having massive freezing issues since the update? I'm not sure if it was a dash update or a bioshock update but I had to download something a few days back when I popped bioshock in and now the game freezes for like 3-6 seconds in every 10-30 second interval. It's making the game unplayable and I'm getting really pissed off. It's not the game disc, I checked it and its pristine, and I don't think its my machine because I have been playing a lot of eternal sonata and skate lately with no problems what so ever.
Clear your Bioshock cache. As soon as you start the game from the dashboard hold down RB+LB. Keep them held down until at least after the red 2K logo.

[exileinoblivion]

Clear your Bioshock cache. As soon as you start the game from the dashboard hold down RB+LB. Keep them held down until at least after the red 2K logo.


dude, I love you. thank you so much for the tip everything is working just fine now.

[Mr Durand Pierre]

I just beat the game for the second time (this time on Hard, saving all Sisters). I feel pretty much the same as I did before. That it's a near great game plagued by an unsatisfying conclusion (no matter what ending you get) and horribly unbalanced weapons.

I mean there's a shitload of tonics that bulk up your wrench, but none that make your guns anymore powerful, making them all but useless for most of the game (except in Big Daddy battles). While there's a lot of room for creativity in the game's combat, the most effective solution was usually the simplest. In this case, shock and whack. It's a shame too as I really liked the idea of having to scurry around looking for ammo. Perhaps one day I'll replay the game for a third time and will myself not to use the wrench.

i still liked the game overall. The atmosphere, visuals, music, and the fact that the combat never plays out the same way twice made it all a pretty great experience. But with just a slight bit of tweaking it really could have been something amazing. sigh

[thrustbucket]

Even though I realize the shock/wrench is the most effective tactic, I never use it because I'd get bored. The game is easy enough with the death penalty so I like being creative with the weapons still, since that's about the only thing to make the game challenging.

I just beat the game for the second time (this time on Hard, saving all Sisters). I feel pretty much the same as I did before. That it's a near great game plagued by an unsatisfying conclusion (no matter what ending you get) and horribly unbalanced weapons.

I mean there's a shitload of tonics that bulk up your wrench, but none that make your guns anymore powerful, making them all but useless for most of the game (except in Big Daddy battles). While there's a lot of room for creativity in the game's combat, the most effective solution was usually the simplest. In this case, shock and whack. It's a shame too as I really liked the idea of having to scurry around looking for ammo. Perhaps one day I'll replay the game for a third time and will myself not to use the wrench.

i still liked the game overall. The atmosphere, visuals, music, and the fact that the combat never plays out the same way twice made it all a pretty great experience. But with just a slight bit of tweaking it really could have been something amazing. sigh

[A Happy Panda]

Yeah. I used the wrench a lot. But I probably used the Machine Gun the most, shotgun 2nd, and wrench 3rd. I think I used the chemical thrower like twice. I only used the pistol in the beginning of the game, and occasionally used the anti-personnel bullets. The crossbow and grenade launcher I only used against Big Daddies.

[lordwow]

Yeah. I used the wrench a lot. But I probably used the Machine Gun the most, shotgun 2nd, and wrench 3rd. I think I used the chemical thrower like twice. I only used the pistol in the beginning of the game, and occasionally used the anti-personnel bullets. The crossbow and grenade launcher I only used against Big Daddies.

I used the Chemical thrower a lot, it was just a lot of fun. I used the liquid nitrogen on the Big Daddys all the time.

[Agrippan]

So, has anyone received a box for shipping back the Big Daddy figurines yet?

[Corvin]

nope.

[garfep]

The deadline to request boxes is September 30th, so I'm guessing they won't mail them until after then.

[help1]

Well, I have beat the game.


I got the good ending, and I looked up the other 2 on youtube. The bad ending is more impressive in its graphical presentation but definitely not as good as the "good" ending. The 3 endings are all too short though. 2 minute clips? Bullshit!

I am happy I am done with this game. It has gotten FAR too much praise. 10/10's Are you fucking kidding me!? I could make a repetitive as shit game too! Overall the game was alright, and had there not been such a dry spell of games this summer, and the need for some game to tide us over until Halo, this game wouldn't have gotten those 10's. This game is more of a high 8 or a low 9. I can't believe people want to run back and play this game again. I was literally crying of boredom when the game glitched and made me have to follow the little sister to Fontaine again. SO BORING!

[benjamouth]

Well, I have beat the game.


I got the good ending, and I looked up the other 2 on youtube. The bad ending is more impressive in its graphical presentation but definitely not as good as the "good" ending. The 3 endings are all too short though. 2 minute clips? Bullshit!

I am happy I am done with this game. It has gotten FAR too much praise. 10/10's Are you fucking kidding me!? I could make a repetitive as shit game too! Overall the game was alright, and had there not been such a dry spell of games this summer, and the need for some game to tide us over until Halo, this game wouldn't have gotten those 10's. This game is more of a high 8 or a low 9. I can't believe people want to run back and play this game again. I was literally crying of boredom when the game glitched and made me have to follow the little sister to Fontaine again. SO BORING!




Generally speaking I enjoyed it but it did fissle out a bit at the end, seemed like they ran out of ideas and the whole "becoming a big daddy" thing really seemed like a pointless fetch quest.

I mean one of the little sisters helped you earlier and you didn't need to be a big daddy then, unless I missed something.

[OGHowie]

Great game and great atmosphere. I personally think it was much better than Half-Life 2.

I agree that the end went out with a whimper though.

I'll be replaying it again just to try different options.

[daroga]

Man, I ended up selling the game before I even finished with it.

I suppose had Prime 3 not hit I'd have beat it, but it felt like, as others have said, things just fizzled. I kinda felt like through the whole game that it would've been so much better as a different genre. That whole atmosphere would've been great for more along the lines of an adventure game or more legit survival-horror, but the FPS stuff slapped on that great world never felt right to me.

Maybe a focus on more strategy with the Big Daddies and fewer or no splicer guys? I dunno. Something just never clicked with me, despite production values being through the roof.

[doraemonkerpal]

Im sick of the stupid spoilers...You guys obviously dont read. Im answering the question about how the airplane got where it was. Look if your reading this thread and havent beaten the game at this point thats your fault. What good would come out of reading this thread?

This is cheapassgamer.com. Some people might be waiting for a price drop or will buy the game used at a later date. Others might be trying to trade for it as we speak. Have a little empathy with your fellow CAGs. Not everybody here has the means to get every great title on release, nor do all CAGs have the time to play through a game as quickly as others. Pushing the "spoiler" tag buttons will take an extra second. Hopefully others will be kind enough to do the same for you in case you would like to discuss a game you have not passed yet.

[help1]

Maybe a focus on more strategy with the Big Daddies and fewer or no splicer guys? I dunno. Something just never clicked with me, despite production values being through the roof.

Agreed. I liked the FPS part, but there were only 4 plasmids that were good in the game, and towards the end I just used my guns. Splicers were often too annoying, not because they were hard but just repetitive. The big daddies were never really strong, and made collecting sisters too easy.

I have heard rumors of them making a sequel... how will that work with this 2 ending system?

[dastly75]

I have heard rumors of them making a sequel... how will that work with this 2 ending system?
Hey well MGS had sequels so why not...although the ending is perhaps not as majorly different as the one in Bioshock

[Ender]

So, I'm a little short on research points for Bouncers and Houdini Splicers. Anyone know of good places to find those two enemies for some photos?

[Damian]

So, I'm a little short on research points for Bouncers and Houdini Splicers. Anyone know of good places to find those two enemies for some photos?
Arcadia, probably. That's where Houdinis are first introduced. I think Rosies were introduced there too but I recall plenty of Bouncers. It didn't get Rosie heavy until late game.

[Kayden]

The first two Big Daddies I met were bouncers and then every other one was a Rossie except for the last level.

[garfep]

Really? I found the opposite. Bouncers all through the beginning, Rosies for like 3 levels in the middle, then tons of bouncers again for the end. Arcadia is definitely all Rosies, though.

[Corvin]

It's definitely interesting hearing where people ran into what Big daddies. Levine always said they have no set path so the game will play different everytime for everyone.

I saw one Rosie throughout the first 75% of the game, and then the last two levels were all Rosies.

[Kayden]

They have set patrol paths, however, which type spawns is probably random. Atleast, the initial. Any replacements for a killed Daddy seem to be of the same type.

It's definitely interesting hearing where people ran into what Big daddies. Levine always said they have no set path so the game will play different everytime for everyone.

I saw one Rosie throughout the first 75% of the game, and then the last two levels were all Rosies.

[red flare graf]

No one mentioned Elites. They're not rare or something, are they?

[Kayden]

They're pretty much all you see in the last 1-2 levels; besides being stronger, they're nothing special.

No one mentioned Elites. They're not rare or something, are they?

[menikmati]

Just finished this game over the weekend, I just transferred to UCI and there is JACK SHIT to do in Irvine!

[kmartbum001]

Reminds me of Metroid Prime 3 where the last part of a game goes out on a sizzle, as you are on a boring fetch quest.

I became too strong early on in the game with an upgraded crossbow, or did everyone become that way? I could easily kill any Big Daddy in 3 hits. And my wallet kept exploding from all the monies--I couldn't spend it fast enough. The boss was dissapointing, because he was sooo easy to beat with an upgraded shotgun. I only had to use 1 heath kit.

[sociopharm02]

just finished the game tonight and I got to say it was awesome, I didn't get the good ending because I did do some harvesting. Definitely one of my favorites for the next gen games.

[ratzombie]

I'm about to officailly start my game soon, I haven't really had much time.

So... tips/tricks, will be appreciated.

[help1]

I'm about to officailly start my game soon, I haven't really had much time.

So... tips/tricks, will be appreciated.

Rescuing pays off in the end with 100 GS and the same amount of ADAM.

[Mr Durand Pierre]

Man, I ended up selling the game before I even finished with it.

I suppose had Prime 3 not hit I'd have beat it, but it felt like, as others have said, things just fizzled. I kinda felt like through the whole game that it would've been so much better as a different genre. That whole atmosphere would've been great for more along the lines of an adventure game or more legit survival-horror, but the FPS stuff slapped on that great world never felt right to me.

Maybe a focus on more strategy with the Big Daddies and fewer or no splicer guys? I dunno. Something just never clicked with me, despite production values being through the roof.

I can agree halfway. I wish the game had more adventure elements (like puzzles) and as I mentioned in a previous post, the weapon balance was rather uneven making the core non-Big Daddy combat a bit repetitive towards the end. I'd also agree that the game contains too much ammo and money (even on hard).

HOWEVER, one of my favorite things about the game was how it handled enemy placement and respawning. I liked how enemies respawn, but only irregularly and in random locations, so even when you go through cleared areas you have to stay on guard. This was something that bothered me in games like RE4 where it's scary, until you clear an area, then you're all safe and secure. Bioshock and the Fatal Frame games are the only survival horror games I've played where you're never safe. The excellent sound design helped keep things relatively creepy throughout as well.

[RudyPants]

Just finished the game today and I thought the game was slightly overrated in terms of its review scores, but in general the atmosphere remained great throughout the game.

As for the ending ... what can I say that people here haven't said. I agree:

Booooooo ....

[shnizzle66]

Playing it right now...


The sound isnt loud since everyone is asleep, but this isnt the greatest game ever...its good so far but meh, glad i got it for free :)

[RollingSkull]

Final post-mortem: Really, if they were trying for "NO GAMER WILL PLAY ANY ENCOUNTER THE SAME WAY TWICE", they needed to play a LOT more Psi-Ops. That is the standard for multi-approach combat that all others must be compared against.

That said, on Hard, endgame combat got iffy due to insane HP amounts on your foes, but, on the whole, there was enough meat there to last until the end. Woulda been nice to have a few more enemy types, (Endgame spoilers) a story with fewer issues (Analyses can keep ignoring weak bits all they want.) and plotholes. (I spoilered this because the game should be enjoyed without foreknowledge of a weak story.), but, in the end, Bioshock is a solid game, good atmosphere, good gunplay, good scrounging for supplies, definitely GotY material, but please keep it away from Ebert.

Stinger quote for the game: (Spoilers for anyone who hasn't cleared the surgery wing, but nothing beyond that.) "What can I do with this one Aphrodite? She WON'T. STAY. STILL."

[pittpizza]

Which is better, the good ending or bad ending?

Don't tell me what it is just tell me if its worth getting it. (call me old fashioned but I like happy endings.)

[SpecTrE3353]

Which is better, the good ending or bad ending?

Don't tell me what it is just tell me if its worth getting it. (call me old fashioned but I like happy endings.)

I personally likef the good ending, but they're both so short that i don't really think it should make that much of a difference to you. I wouldn't play a certain way for 10-15 hours for a 60 seconds clip at the end :P

[pittpizza]

I personally likef the good ending, but they're both so short that i don't really think it should make that much of a difference to you. I wouldn't play a certain way for 10-15 hours for a 60 seconds clip at the end :P

That makes sense, thanks for your input.

I had the same issue with MP3 corruption which i just beat two nights ago. I only scanned 73% of the items, then i went on you tube and watched the other endings. It was a piece of cake and not worth taking longer to beat the game with 100% since i got it from gamefly.

[whiptcracker]

Which is better, the good ending or bad ending?

Don't tell me what it is just tell me if its worth getting it. (call me old fashioned but I like happy endings.)

I thought both endings kind of sucked. Great gameplay, but I don't know why people love the story so much. I will say there are some bonuses to playing the Good way though.

[AshesofWake]

this game isn't about the ending though, the entire story and experience is everything before and during your visit to rapture. the ending is pretty much meaningless compared to everything else going on.

[pittpizza]

Last night i got to the part where I just left the docks area and entered an area wtih a lot of green vegetation with splicers that disappear and reappear. This was right after whats his name's family was in that pod that Ryan blew up. Did they die? How far into it am I (25%)?

[Callandor]

Ah, yes, Atlas' family... hehe... I'm resisting the urge to put a spoiler here. ;)

Ah, yeah, about 25%. You've got 5 "chapters" left after that, and they gradually get a bit longer, so 25% sounds good.

[pittpizza]

Thanks for resisting the urge. Im def. a spoiler-hater.

PPl on cag are better about it though than on IGN. Here they have the spoiler button which is cool.

[ThatDamnDave]

I finished the game a few days ago and I'm running through it again to get the Historian achievement and to just run through it again because it was fun. I gotta say...

Though the ending was a bit short and the boss battle wasn't the most complicated process (circle and shoot...circle and shoot...etc.), I love this game. The atmosphere, the array of powers you can use, the ominous voice acting/big daddy stomping on my surround sound, they all just made it a really fun experience.

You can detract from it in some spots, sure, but I didn't feel that the run-and-fetch missions were overly long and I didn't feel the plotholes (though they exist) detracted too much from the overall experience. Excellent game, here's to Bioshock II topping it somehow.

[pittpizza]

I have a few questions about big daddies.

(1) Once you hypnotize them, do they stay that way forever?
(2) Are there big daddies that are not protecting a little sister?
(3) If the answer to 2 is yes, why kill them?
(4) If a hypnotized big daddy is killled by a splicer or something (seems unlikely), can you then harvest/rescue a little sister?

I basically dont quite get how the whole ADAM gathering fits in with a hypnotized big daddy that is protecting you.

[maxfisher]

I have a few questions about big daddies.

(1) Once you hypnotize them, do they stay that way forever?
(2) Are there big daddies that are not protecting a little sister?
(3) If the answer to 2 is yes, why kill them?
(4) If a hypnotized big daddy is killled by a splicer or something (seems unlikely), can you then harvest/rescue a little sister?

I basically dont quite get how the whole ADAM gathering fits in with a hypnotized big daddy that is protecting you.

1) No. It's only for a limited time and if you accidently hit/shoot it while it's protecting you, it will turn on you.
2) Yes, they're the only ones that can be hypnotized.
3) There isn't a reason, unless you need cash or are just in the mood for a fight. If you haven't found all Little Sisters in a level, though, you can follow a Big Daddy and he'll eventually meet up with one.
4) You'll never have Big Daddy that's protecting both you and a Little Sister.

[Halo05]

I have a few questions about big daddies.

(1) Once you hypnotize them, do they stay that way forever?
(2) Are there big daddies that are not protecting a little sister?
(3) If the answer to 2 is yes, why kill them?
(4) If a hypnotized big daddy is killled by a splicer or something (seems unlikely), can you then harvest/rescue a little sister?

I basically dont quite get how the whole ADAM gathering fits in with a hypnotized big daddy that is protecting you.

1. No, it's temporary but pretty lengthy.
2. Yes, once you've dealt with all the Little Sisters on a level, Big Daddies will continue to spawn, they simply won't be accompanied by anyone.
3. You probably shouldn't unless you want to.
4. I'm not sure. Everytime I hypnotized a Big Daddy, it seemed to lose it's little sister. I don't know if she climbed back into the wall or what but I don't recall seeing them running around while me and my big friend are tearing things apart.

[Damian]

2) Yes, they're the only ones that can be hypnotized.
You can hypnotize the ones guarding a Little Sister, but she immediately runs away into one of the wall openings and you can't rescue/harvest her.

[pittpizza]

You can hypnotize the ones guarding a Little Sister, but she immediately runs away into one of the wall openings and you can't rescue/harvest her.


Thanks for the great responses max, halo and damian.

But she is not gone for good right? She will just regroup with another/respawned big daddie right?

Do little sisters respawn?

[Damian]

But she is not gone for good right? She will just regroup with another/respawned big daddie right?

Do little sisters respawn?
Right, she's not gone for good. If there are Little Sisters left unharvested/rescued in a level they will eventually come out when a Big Daddy pounds by their vents. They don't respawn in the sense that there will always be more though, there is only a fixed number of Little Sisters per level that "respawn" if needed until you resolve them all.

[pittpizza]

okay i get it. So if i hypnotize a big daddie, the sister will run and hide in some crack in some wall until the next respawned big daddie stomps by.

If i rescue or harvest a little sister she is gone for good. The big daddie will just keep stompin around and not find a girl to hook up with.

[SteveMcQ]

okay i get it. So if i hypnotize a big daddie, the sister will run and hide in some crack in some wall until the next respawned big daddie stomps by.

If i rescue or harvest a little sister she is gone for good. The big daddie will just keep stompin around and not find a girl to hook up with.Correct. And the Big Daddies protect the Little Sisters, not "hook up with" them. Heh.

[maxfisher]

You can hypnotize the ones guarding a Little Sister, but she immediately runs away into one of the wall openings and you can't rescue/harvest her.

Weird. I only tried that once and as soon as I hit the Big Daddy with the plasmid, he went ape shit and attacked me. I assumed that their links to the Little Sisters were strong enough to make them immune to the plasmid or something like that.

[lordwow]

Weird. I only tried that once and as soon as I hit the Big Daddy with the plasmid, he went ape shit and attacked me. I assumed that their links to the Little Sisters were strong enough to make them immune to the plasmid or something like that.

You gotta be real careful with Hypnotize, especially if you have the electroshock tonic on. The Big Daddy will flip on you if you hurt it in any way. Also, if it turns red before the plasmid hits it, you can't use it.

[pittpizza]

Sorry to be asking so many questions, but what happens if you have a hypnotized big daddy that comes across another big daddy? Have you ever gotten a sisterless big daddy to attack another big daddy w/ a lil sis?

If so did it take it out, or at least almost so you could mop it up easily?

[thrustbucket]

Sorry to be asking so many questions, but what happens if you have a hypnotized big daddy that comes across another big daddy? Have you ever gotten a sisterless big daddy to attack another big daddy w/ a lil sis?

If so did it take it out, or at least almost so you could mop it up easily?

Having big dadies fight each other is one of the best parts of the game. So yes.

[Machikunas]

Sorry to be asking so many questions, but what happens if you have a hypnotized big daddy that comes across another big daddy? Have you ever gotten a sisterless big daddy to attack another big daddy w/ a lil sis?

If so did it take it out, or at least almost so you could mop it up easily?


Yeah, that works. Just shoot the big daddy with the little sister and the hypnotized big daddy will see it as an enemy and start a fight with it. Because they're so evenly matched whichever survives will be close to death when it's over.

[pittpizza]

Yeah, that works. Just shoot the big daddy with the little sister and the hypnotized big daddy will see it as an enemy and start a fight with it. Because they're so evenly matched whichever survives will be close to death when it's over.

Holy crap that sounds fun. I HAVE to try that when I come across the next big daddy. I imagine it may take some back tracking and extensive planning but it sounds so cool I cant wait to do it.

This game (IMO!) is making video gaming history with regards to enemies. They can be enraged to fight each other, adopted to protect you, they actually use teh health stations available to the protagonist to heal. The AI is sick!

I feel bad for people who would just run and gun through this game missing out on all the strategy behind how to play.

[SteveMcQ]

I've had some of the craziest shit going on with dueling Big Daddies. I had one hypnotized going after another, while both were protecting Little Sisters. One was standing in an oil spill so I set him ablaze as the other one chucked grenades at him. Both got damaged badly so after the hypnotized one came to his senses, it took one pistol shot to take him down. Two Little Sisters for me to rescue using one bullet.

[pittpizza]

I've had some of the craziest shit going on with dueling Big Daddies. I had one hypnotized going after another, while both were protecting Little Sisters. One was standing in an oil spill so I set him ablaze as the other one chucked grenades at him. Both got damaged badly so after the hypnotized one came to his senses, it took one pistol shot to take him down. Two Little Sisters for me to rescue using one bullet.

sick, it almost feels like cheating...almost.

[Corvin]

I never thought about trying that. I'll have to give that a whirl on my second play through. I don't remember many instances where there were more than one though. Mine were spread pretty far apart on the levels.

[Kayden]

My favorite way to kill big daddies was to just tag them with the security becon and lure them infront of a camera. Its also how I maxed my security drone research as every picture was multiple subjects and action.

Lacking cameras, the electric ammo drops a big daddy in less than 10 seconds with taking zero damage.

[Corvin]

A method I started using towards the end, which I will implement earlier on next play through is the trap bolt on the crossbow.

I'd lay 2-3 trip wires out and drop about 3 proximity mines for the setup. Fire a shot at him to get his attention. If he makes it through that, then it's only a blast or two from the Electro shotty.

[SteveMcQ]

I never thought about trying that. I'll have to give that a whirl on my second play through. I don't remember many instances where there were more than one though. Mine were spread pretty far apart on the levels.I've only had a couple instances where the Big Daddies w/ Little Sisters were in one group. I think it's a very rare occurence, but I tend to be very patient rescuing the Little Sisters, so perhaps at some point their paths cross within the levels. I usually wait 'till I'm done accomplishing the tasks of the level before I take care of the Big Daddies.

[Corvin]

Could be. As soon as I found a Little sister I took aim at Mr. BD. I didn't want to wander aimlessly backtracking to find them later.

[pittpizza]

I;ve been adhereing to corvin's method of tkaing out BD/LSs.

Ill watch and follow em until they put themselves in a corner, drop some mines, ready my lighting and grenade launcher and try to stop him in front of a hacked camera if one is handy. No backtracking this way.

[veedubkid]

All I can say about this game is WOW, and then I can say I am an Ass half for not reading about this game before, I saw it in EGM and Gameinformer and I thought it was an RPG (don't ask) so I always skipped it. fast forward to the other day when I was at Blockbuster looking to rent something new and I figure what the hell I'll check out this RPG for today (again I have no idea why I thought this was an RPG, I just did) after the 1st cinematics and going down in the bathysphere I was like fuckin hell this is creepy like condemned. I LOVE THIS fucking GAME
I AM AN A**HOLE FOR NOT LEARNING ABOUT THIS GAME SOONER.

[Halo05]

All I can say about this game is WOW, and then I can say I am an Ass half for not reading about this game before, I saw it in EGM and Gameinformer and I thought it was an RPG (don't ask) so I always skipped it. fast forward to the other day when I was at Blockbuster looking to rent something new and I figure what the hell I'll check out this RPG for today (again I have no idea why I thought this was an RPG, I just did) after the 1st cinematics and going down in the bathysphere I was like fuckin hell this is creepy like condemned. I LOVE THIS fucking GAME
I AM AN A**HOLE FOR NOT LEARNING ABOUT THIS GAME SOONER.

For your own sake, stay out of this thread until you finish the game then. It's been pretty much assumed that most people have finished it and there are spoilers everywhere. Enjoy the ride. Between Bioshock and Halo 3 this has been a pretty amazing late 2007.

[ITDEFX]

I am tempted to buy this game, even though their is a pc version and the PC version is far graphically superior...however my current system is not powerful enough to run it at a higher res so in order to play it, I might have to tone it down below the 360 levels (I have the 6800 gt 256 card)..however is it worth it just for the achievements or should I just wait til I upgrade or wait til this becomes PH for 29.99? It's gonna happen, considering everyone gives this a 10 out of 10 and it's selling like crazy.

[thrustbucket]

I am tempted to buy this game, even though their is a pc version and the PC version is far graphically superior...however my current system is not powerful enough to run it at a higher res so in order to play it, I might have to tone it down below the 360 levels (I have the 6800 gt 256 card)..however is it worth it just for the achievements or should I just wait til I upgrade or wait til this becomes PH for 29.99? It's gonna happen, considering everyone gives this a 10 out of 10 and it's selling like crazy.

I am not sure this game looks that much better on a PC. I'm not sure why it would, other than higher resolution.

[red flare graf]

I am not sure this game looks that much better on a PC. I'm not sure why it would, other than higher resolution.

And the ability to not cut off the top and bottom of your screen at widescreen resolutions.

[ITDEFX]

And the ability to not cut off the top and bottom of your screen at widescreen resolutions.

I am trusting that a patch WILL address this issue. I forgot where, but I saw a site that had a side by side comparison of the graphics 360 vs PC.

[red flare graf]

I am trusting that a patch WILL address this issue. I forgot where, but I saw a site that had a side by side comparison of the graphics 360 vs PC.

There's already a 3rd party application that works awesome to correct the field of view.

[pittpizza]

Im gonna kick that sick fuck Sander Cohen's ass tonight.

[Sofa King Kool]

FINALLY got my 360 back from the repair center. It's time to finish this game...

[SNKMat]

How many audio tapes is there?

[Damian]

How many audio tapes is there?
122. One of the Farmer's Market ones will incorrectly be listed under Neptune's Bounty.

[porieux]

i'm not sure if this is general knowledge yet, but when you go to the 2kgames site for the broken big daddy figures it now has a form to fill out for the replacement: http://www.2kgames.com/bioshock/busted/

The site says the "The Big Daddy Figurine Redemption program has now ended." but I filled out the form and have received nothing. Anyone else?
Sorry if this has already been discussed but I searched the thread and didn't see anything. Trying to avoid spoilers still...

[pimpinc333]

The site says the "The Big Daddy Figurine Redemption program has now ended." but I filled out the form and have received nothing. Anyone else?
Sorry if this has already been discussed but I searched the thread and didn't see anything. Trying to avoid spoilers still...

I haven't got shit from them yet either.

[Rei no Otaku]

It just ended like 2 days ago. We'll probably see a box in a couple weeks.

[pittpizza]

Sander Cohen is dead! I wasnt sure whether to kill him or not at first, no goal or objective had me do so, but then a splicer got me and I static shocked him and he started attacking me so I took him out. Glad I did too due to the benefits.

[Damian]

Sander Cohen is dead! I wasnt sure whether to kill him or not at first, no goal or objective had me do so, but then a splicer got me and I static shocked him and he started attacking me so I took him out. Glad I did too due to the benefits.
Hopefully you killed him in his apartment, and not at the concert hall. There's an achievement for finding his apartment, which remains locked if you have already killed him when you get there.

[pittpizza]

Hopefully you killed him in his apartment, and not at the concert hall. There's an achievement for finding his apartment, which remains locked if you have already killed him when you get there.

CRAP! Oh well, im not a complete achievement whore. It is a bummer though. Like I said, I static shocked him and he started attacking so...it is what it is.

[pinebarrens]

Finished it yesterday. GOTY for me.

[rainking187]

I am tempted to buy this game, even though their is a pc version and the PC version is far graphically superior...however my current system is not powerful enough to run it at a higher res so in order to play it, I might have to tone it down below the 360 levels (I have the 6800 gt 256 card)..however is it worth it just for the achievements or should I just wait til I upgrade or wait til this becomes PH for 29.99? It's gonna happen, considering everyone gives this a 10 out of 10 and it's selling like crazy.

Noooo....the PC version is so FUBAR'd. What with the Securom and the limited number of installations. They say a patch is coming, but they've been saying that for a while. Get the 360 version.

[veedubkid]

Hopefully you killed him in his apartment, and not at the concert hall. There's an achievement for finding his apartment, which remains locked if you have already killed him when you get there.
I don't know how to hide/show spoilers so if you read this sorry

yeah but did you take a picture of him too? I did and I thought it was funny as hell. I try to take a picture of EVERYTHING! I didn't even mean to hurt the dancers, I was photographing them when I bumped into the record player.

[veedubkid]

CRAP! Oh well, im not a complete achievement whore. It is a bummer though. Like I said, I static shocked him and he started attacking so...it is what it is.
I wanted to kill him there as well but I figured maybe he was the master mind behind everything and he would help me later on so I left him alone @ the concert hall

[GizmoGC]

Just started playing this and beat Dr S...
When do I start taking pictures? I see there are achievements for such but I have yet to get the camera or film.

[DiscoDuck8k]

Later on after you meet Peach Wilkins at Fontaine Fisheries.

[veedubkid]

I miss RAPTURE! I would like to have seen it as a thriving city. Would anybody care to help me build one? :)

[pittpizza]

I am just now getting started on what I would like to call my "Achievment runthrough." I'll play it on the hardest diffiuclty to get that one, and try to get every tonic, diary, photo, upgrade, plasmid, slot, etc...

I figure it will take about as long or a slightly longer than the first runthough since I am better at killing splicers and know my way around a little better. This game is soooo sick!

[thekeybladewars]

Bioshock freezes even as I'm walking through the corridors of Rapture. Sometimes it's worse when I'm in combat. It started happening the most during Apollo Square and Point Prometheus. Why? The game is in perfect condition. Is my 360 too weak? Why Bioshock, Why?!

Here is an unexciting 2 minute video of it. Sorry there isn't much going on, but I had just finished defeating the Big Daddy and a ton of other Splicers.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kpAb7abLPVk


1) Towards the beginning, as I'm walking out of a hallway where the security camera used to be, theres a HUGE freeze.

2) Going up or down the stairs another huge freeze.

3) While I'm loading my gun as I'm fighting the second splicer

Ton of other places, too.
I'm pissed.
I want answers!

[thrustbucket]

Bioshock freezes even as I'm walking through the corridors of Rapture. Sometimes it's worse when I'm in combat. It started happening the most during Apollo Square and Point Prometheus. Why? The game is in perfect condition. Is my 360 too weak? Why Bioshock, Why?!

Here is an unexciting 2 minute video of it. Sorry there isn't much going on, but I had just finished defeating the Big Daddy and a ton of other Splicers.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kpAb7abLPVk


1) Towards the beginning, as I'm walking out of a hallway where the security camera used to be, theres a HUGE freeze.

2) Going up or down the stairs another huge freeze.

3) While I'm loading my gun as I'm fighting the second splicer

Ton of other places, too.
I'm pissed.
I want answers!

Clear your cache. Known problem.

[Liquid 2]

Anyone received their coffins for the Big Daddys yet?

[thekeybladewars]

Clear your cache. Known problem.

Excellent. Thanks a lot, bucket.

[lordwow]

Grr, I got half way through on a hard difficulty game trying to get 100% achievements when I find out you can't get all the tonics/plasmids if you don't save the little sisters. Well that sucks.

[paz9x]

Grr, I got half way through on a hard difficulty game trying to get 100% achievements when I find out you can't get all the tonics/plasmids if you don't save the little sisters. Well that sucks.
? theres an achievement for dealign with all the little sisters, if you were going for 100% you shouldve checked them out.
that said, i recall being able to go back for little sisters, but its been awhile.

[Corvin]

You can't get all the tonics on one play through anyway, IIRC. I think if you let Sander Cohen live you get one, but if you kill him you get a different one.

[paz9x]

You can't get all the tonics on one play through anyway, IIRC. I think if you let Sander Cohen live you get one, but if you kill him you get a different one.
yes you can. just dont kill cohen, you need the power to the people thing in his room.

[thekeybladewars]

Cleared my cache, everything went well for a while. But then as I reached 'Fontaine' it started doing it worse than ever. I just don't know. Thanks anyway though. It worked for a little bit. Also, I tried doing it again. Is there a limit on how many times you can clear it?

[GizmoGC]

Beat the game today...amazing. I have never had this much fun with an FPS type game in years. Felt alot like Condemned.

[SteveMcQ]

yes you can. just dont kill cohen, you need the power to the people thing in his room.Can you kill him after then? And will it affect any achievements you can possibly get? Out of curiousity is this the part where after taking the pics he requests, you have the option of killing him immediately or chasing him into his apartment?I thought that's what I read in an earlier post, anyway.

[A Happy Panda]

Can you kill him after then? And will it affect any achievements you can possibly get? Out of curiousity is this the part where after taking the pics he requests, you have the option of killing him immediately or chasing him into his apartment?I thought that's what I read in an earlier post, anyway.

Just let him live when he comes down the stairs after you've taken all the photos. You won't see him again for awhile. Eventually you'll come to the level with all the apartments (I forget) and you'll see two splicers dancing, then you'll hear Cohen talk. He'll tell you not to disturb them, but of course you do. After you kill the splicers, a secret door opens up (to the left of the kitchen entrance) and Cohen is upstairs. Kill him, take a photo of his corpse, and also use the Power to the People station

[veedubkid]

Beat the game today...amazing. I have never had this much fun with an FPS type game in years. Felt alot like Condemned.
I thought the same thing

[dmaul1114]

Got my bundle from Frys today and played Bioshock for 2 hours or so.

What a great game, lookes great (both technically and design wise), great sound with music, the voice acting etc. Makes for a great creepy atmosphere.

I think my favorite moment thus far was after hacking a bot, it went in the room and started attacking a bunch of bad guys, and one of them said something to the effect of "Oh goddammit, some body shoot that thing." Classic.

Played a bit past the first boss--the crazy plastic surgeon. Can't wait to get back to it.

[whoknows]

Ok, anyone want to tell me what to do? I'm at The part where Cohen wants you to kill people for him. I killed the first guy who freezes you and took his picture back, but now what do I do? Cohen didn't tell me anything. Am I just supposed to wander around until I find people?

[Scorch]

Ok, anyone want to tell me what to do? I'm at The part where Cohen wants you to kill people for him. I killed the first guy who freezes you and took his picture back, but now what do I do? Cohen didn't tell me anything. Am I just supposed to wander around until I find people?

go to options and turn the quest arrow on. there's three more people.

[pittpizza]

As to the prolific inventer tonic, dont you get these just by saving 3 little sisters? I saved 3 already and already got Hypnotize Big Daddy 1, but then started harveting for the extra adam to make some of the other achievments easier (max out all tracks).

You wouldnt think that harvesting a few little sisters (so long as you still rescue enough to get the tonics in gifts) would ruin the "collect all tonics" achievment. Right?

Is there a list of tonics and how to get them? I know there is a list of WHERE but I was wondering if there is a list of the ones that you get through little sister gifts, research, etc.???

Thanks for the help!

I did some poking around and found that there are (I THINK) three tonics you get as gifts for rescuing little sisters. They are: (1) Prolific Inventor - Gift near Garden of Apollo, (2) Safecracker 1 - In a Gift in Arcadia, and (3) Armored Shell 2. I know you get random plasmids as gifts too (I guess there is a cycle) but do you have to rescue EVERY little sister in the game to get these tonics or can you still harvest some but rescue enough to get the tonic gifts as well? I guess basically I am asking if you get a tonic for saving the VERY LAST little sister, if not, then you should still be able to get the tonic achivment right?

[help1]

Ok, anyone want to tell me what to do? I'm at The part where Cohen wants you to kill people for him. I killed the first guy who freezes you and took his picture back, but now what do I do? Cohen didn't tell me anything. Am I just supposed to wander around until I find people?


Now that you have your photo, go back to Cohens masterpiece and walk up to the masterpiece. It will then allow you to insert the picture into one of the goldish slots, and you will be prompted to go after more people.

[ThatDamnDave]

As to the prolific inventer tonic, dont you get these just by saving 3 little sisters? I saved 3 already and already got Hypnotize Big Daddy 1, but then started harveting for the extra adam to make some of the other achievments easier (max out all tracks).

You wouldnt think that harvesting a few little sisters (so long as you still rescue enough to get the tonics in gifts) would ruin the "collect all tonics" achievment. Right?

Is there a list of tonics and how to get them? I know there is a list of WHERE but I was wondering if there is a list of the ones that you get through little sister gifts, research, etc.???

Thanks for the help!

I did some poking around and found that there are (I THINK) three tonics you get as gifts for rescuing little sisters. They are: (1) Prolific Inventor - Gift near Garden of Apollo, (2) Safecracker 1 - In a Gift in Arcadia, and (3) Armored Shell 2. I know you get random plasmids as gifts too (I guess there is a cycle) but do you have to rescue EVERY little sister in the game to get these tonics or can you still harvest some but rescue enough to get the tonic gifts as well? I guess basically I am asking if you get a tonic for saving the VERY LAST little sister, if not, then you should still be able to get the tonic achivment right?

Why not just go through and save them all to leave yourself open for all achievements? Much easier way to do that.

And the rewards more than make up for the difference in harvesting and saving Adam-wise

[pittpizza]

Why not just go through and save them all to leave yourself open for all achievements? Much easier way to do that.


I agree, however I already beat the game on the first playthrough and got the associated "little sister savior" acheivement. I played through and harvested a couple to get some extra adam and to see the alternative ending.

Now I am in Arcadia and its too late to rescue them all without restarting the entire game because I already harvested and saved. So my questions still stand:

(1) Is it possible to harvest 2-3 litle sisters, save the rest, and get the tonic collector achievment.

(2) How many little sisters are there total? Basically what i want to know is if the very last gift you get is a tonic, because if its not (like if its a plasmid or something) I may still be able to rescue enough to get all the tonic gifts.

EDIT: Look at this great list I found:


Neptune's Bounty (1st LS): Hypnotize Big Daddy (http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Hypnotize_Big_Daddy) plasmid; 12 Armor-piercing Pistol Rounds
Arcadia (1st LS): Safecracker (http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Safecracker) tonic; 12 Electric Buck
Fort Frolic (1st LS): Hypnotize Big Daddy 2 (http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Hypnotize_Big_Daddy) plasmid; 4 First Aid Kits
Hephaestus (1st LS): 4 EVE Hypos; 6 Proximity Mines
Olympus Heights (1st LS): Armored Shell 2 (http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Armored_Shell) tonic; 12 Incendiary Bolts
Apollo Square (2nd LS): Prolific Inventor (http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/Prolific_Inventor) tonic; 150 Liquid Nitrogen
Point Prometheus (3rd LS): 100 Antipersonnel Rounds; 4 First Aid Kits
So judging by this, harvest 3 little sister wont prevent me from getting the tonic achievment since the VERY LAST gift is not a tonic. You get them in order right? SO if I only miss out on one gift, i should still be able to get prolific inventor (even though it will be later and possibly not at apollo square. Do you all reach this same conclusion too?

2nd EDIT: I'm sorry to be such a pain in the ass. Here is a thought I just had. I am in my 2nd playthrough, but I still have a save file titled "fontain" from the last save of my first playthrough where all I did was rescue. Can I backtrack from this save to go and get the missed tonics? I think it was right before the final boss fight, (is it possible to leave this area and go tonic hunting?)

3rd EDIT: Is there a way to tell how many LS's you have saved adn harvested so far?

[ihadFG]

So did anyone get the coffin for their Big Daddy yet? Or maybe any word from 2k?

[Damian]

So did anyone get the coffin for their Big Daddy yet? Or maybe any word from 2k?
Nothing. On Oct-10 2K Elizabeth posted saying that shipping would commence "soon". No idea what they means, or why it's taking so long to at least collect the broken ones. I realize they need to make new ones, but they originally claimed they were going to collect the bad ones then send out an artbook while you waited for the replacement. Now it sounds like they're going to do it all at once.

[dmaul1114]

Just finished the game. I saved all 21 sisters, so got the good ending along with the savior achievement and the one for saving or harvesting all of them.

Great game, a solid 9.5 for me. Great atmosphere, graphics, sound etc. Only minor gripes would be wishing for more variety in enemies and a longer ending.

[Liquid 2]

Any coffins out in the wild yet? This shit is starting to get annoying.

[Azumangaman]

Really late to the party, but picked Bioshock up today at a 2 for 40 sale (used), with Heavenly Sword. Anyway, can't wait to finally play!

[help1]

Really late to the party, but picked Bioshock up today at a 2 for 40 sale (used), with Heavenly Sword. Anyway, can't wait to finally play!

Where did you get that deal?

[SoulReaver]

Just beat the game a second time on hard, this time getting the evil ending. Wow does the ending blow, especially compared to the good ending.

[paz9x]

Really late to the party, but picked Bioshock up today at a 2 for 40 sale (used), with Heavenly Sword. Anyway, can't wait to finally play!
feel free to pass the deals onto the rest of the forum, that is the purpose of this site.

[Maklershed]

Any coffins out in the wild yet? This shit is starting to get annoying.

Nope. I signed up about a week after I got the game and still nothing. My poor Big Daddy has been sitting in a closet with a broken arm for such a long time. He needs medical attention stat.

[slickkill77]

I didnt think the evil ending sucked

[pittpizza]

I personally did not have that big of a problem with the evil ending, even though i did like the good ending better. I did, however, notice people complainign about the ending(s) on a different bioshock thread.

[RollingSkull]

The narrative was (No real spoilers, but this is stuff you shouldn't read until you've beat the game or at least know the big spoilers already.) extremely weak. Extremely well told, but most would agree that, if you think about the story, it was just filled with ridiculous assumptions. The evil ending was thus bad because it left you filling somewhat empty. The good ending was just told really, really well and had to leave you feeling good. Ending with a good feeling allows you to forgive Bioshock's many plot excesses.

[TC]

Any DLC plans for this game?

[whiptcracker]

The narrative was (No real spoilers, but this is stuff you shouldn't read until you've beat the game or at least know the big spoilers already.) extremely weak. Extremely well told, but most would agree that, if you think about the story, it was just filled with ridiculous assumptions. The evil ending was thus bad because it left you filling somewhat empty. The good ending was just told really, really well and had to leave you feeling good. Ending with a good feeling allows you to forgive Bioshock's many plot excesses.

The good ending just felt cheesy to me. I agree with you otherwise though, I loved the way the game told the story and the atmosphere, but the background of the character you play as is completely ridiculous and far too convoluted.

[PhoenixT]

I didn't think his orgins anymore convoluted or far fetched than the fact he can shoot electricity out of his hands. Spawn bees that attack people on command or make whirlwinds. Wth were you expecting out of a game like this. I mean its a sci fish storyline its not suppose to be hyper realistic. The whole setting is over the top and of a society that destroyed itsself on excess with lack of morality (at least in my mind).

[Corvin]

Not to mention the fact the whole game is based on an oxymoron, "Failed Utopia." There's no such thing. A utopia is a perfect society incapable of failure otherwise it isn't or wasn't ever a utopia to begin with.

[dmaul1114]

Any DLC plans for this game?

I doubt it. Doesn't really lend itself to it. They could do an expansion based on the evil ending I suppose...but seems like that would be the idea for a sequel.

[Eric78DX]

So far I think the game is great. Espcially on my superbad surround system that I picked up at Magnolia/BestBuy this summer. The elements, puzzles and baddies are great. The soundtrack is great...overall a great experience. I've only put about five hours into it but I can't wait for tonight. I get to nerd out on the couch with my wife off to work and no one at home!!!

[pittpizza]

Not to mention the fact the whole game is based on an oxymoron, "Failed Utopia." There's no such thing. A utopia is a perfect society incapable of failure otherwise it isn't or wasn't ever a utopia to begin with.

Failed Utopia=dystopia. See e.g. Xanadu, Brave New World, and Rapture.

[Damian]

Not to mention the fact the whole game is based on an oxymoron, "Failed Utopia." There's no such thing. A utopia is a perfect society incapable of failure otherwise it isn't or wasn't ever a utopia to begin with.
The word "Utopia" was invented in 1516 by Thomas More to describe a fictional place. It is a play on the Latinization of two Greek words to create a word that could simultaneously be "no place" and "good place". Also the world More set out is not really supposed to be a utopia, or at least not his idea of it, but rather a way to satirize and examine life in England at the time of writing.

Read it in college (not in Latin).

[Damian]

I doubt it. Doesn't really lend itself to it. They could do an expansion based on the evil ending I suppose...but seems like that would be the idea for a sequel.
Ken Levine has said he absolutely wants DLC and is planning for it.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3163716

[dmaul1114]

Ken Levine has said he absolutely wants DLC and is planning for it.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3163716

Interesting. Doesn't sound like it would be much more than some new plasmids etc. to give you more incentive to replay the current game again.

Doubt that would get me to play it again.

[Corvin]

Failed Utopia=dystopia. See e.g. Xanadu, Brave New World, and Rapture.

I wouldn't say they are the same. Did Rapture turn into a dystopia? Sure. I still say if Rapture was a utopia to begin with then it could have never turned into the dystopia it did. If something is fallible then it was never perfect to begin with.

[TC]

Ken Levine has said he absolutely wants DLC and is planning for it.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3163716

Cool, thanks. I've been putting off a second go around hoping for some different weapons, ect.

[Azumangaman]

feel free to pass the deals onto the rest of the forum, that is the purpose of this site.
I did, in the CANADA forum ;)
Will be starting this weekend, can't wait!

[aznguyen316]

I too started late into this game, well didn't get an xbox til early September, but put off getting this game until last week. Absolutely amazing, this along with Gears of War are my favorite games on the 360. I'm going through my first time on Hard and trying to get most of the achievements, already messed up on the audio diaries lol from the first Welcome to Rapture level =( but after playing through it on Hard, I'm sure EASY will be cake. Anyone else's weapon of choice happen to be the wrence, lol I love that thing, I have like full ammo on everything else and don't use it unless I fight a BD.

Will it be necessary to research, upgrade etc to run through the game on Easy mode? Or will I have some trouble with the BDs etc later on if I don't do much researching and stuff. I just kind of want to go through and find the audio diaries since I plan to get all the other achievements on my first playthrough on hard as I'm rescuing the sisters now..

[Corvin]

I too started late into this game, well didn't get an xbox til early September, but put off getting this game until last week. Absolutely amazing, this along with Gears of War are my favorite games on the 360. I'm going through my first time on Hard and trying to get most of the achievements, already messed up on the audio diaries lol from the first Welcome to Rapture level =( but after playing through it on Hard, I'm sure EASY will be cake. Anyone else's weapon of choice happen to be the wrence, lol I love that thing, I have like full ammo on everything else and don't use it unless I fight a BD.



If you just got a 360 and are loving going through Bioshock with the wrench, then you MUST pick up Condemned. Still one of my favorites on the system. There is even an achievement for playing the entire game with only melee. It's ultra cheap and even cheaper used. Pick it up ASAP!

[PyroGamer]

meh, I can't see DLC doing anything good for this game... unless he means Multiplayer.

Or maybe a whole new area with its own storyline? A meta-sequel?

Other than that, new plasmids, new weapons, etc would simply not be necessary or desirable in a self-contained game like BioShock.

[dmaul1114]

Will it be necessary to research, upgrade etc to run through the game on Easy mode? Or will I have some trouble with the BDs etc later on if I don't do much researching and stuff.

I didn't do much researching ni my playthrough on normal and had no problems. I mean there's really no penalty for dying since you start back at a vita chamber and enemies keep the same amount of damage they had (assuming they don't use a healing station in the interim).

I did upgrade my weapons and plasmids etc. as much as I could though.

[whiptcracker]

I didn't think his orgins anymore convoluted or far fetched than the fact he can shoot electricity out of his hands. Spawn bees that attack people on command or make whirlwinds. Wth were you expecting out of a game like this. I mean its a sci fish storyline its not suppose to be hyper realistic. The whole setting is over the top and of a society that destroyed itsself on excess with lack of morality (at least in my mind).

I don't think the genetic modifications were over the top for a sci-fi storyline, however the basic premise of the character you play as makes no sense. People trying for/making genetic modifications I can deal with because the motivation makes sense, but one of Ryan's enemies creating a clone, sending it out into the world so that it can fly back, hijack and crash a plane nearby and then wander into Rapture and hopefully take out Ryan for him is just dumb.

[PhoenixT]

I'd argue that you lack imagination First off Ryans genetic material wouldn't have been hard to come by if they had wanted an exact clone he was in strip clubs etc all the time so getting a hold of a fork he used a napkin etc would be simple. Secondly if they had just wanted to make someone look like Ryan thats even easier all they do is apply adam and his face is like puddy they shape it however they want the doctor said as much in his logs. Next about the flight if Atlas could smuggle goods inside Rapture what makes you think he couldn't charter a lone flight. Drug the hero so he doesn't remember anything but his "family" before the crash(this is doable since we already know they can plant memories this should all them to remove them as well). Basically given the technology they have in Rapture its all doable whether or not you think its "lame" or not is another story.

[whiptcracker]

I'd argue that you lack imagination First off Ryans genetic material wouldn't have been hard to come by if they had wanted an exact clone he was in strip clubs etc all the time so getting a hold of a fork he used a napkin etc would be simple. Secondly if they had just wanted to make someone look like Ryan thats even easier all they do is apply adam and his face is like puddy they shape it however they want the doctor said as much in his logs. Next about the flight if Atlas could smuggle goods inside Rapture what makes you think he couldn't charter a lone flight. Drug the hero so he doesn't remember anything but his "family" before the crash(this is doable since we already know they can plant memories this should all them to remove them as well). Basically given the technology they have in Rapture its all doable whether or not you think its "lame" or not is another story.

I wasn't arguing wether or not it was feasable, I was arguing that the motivation for going through all those steps to assasinate someone goes against any sort of logic given there is no shortage of guns or powers in Rapture. Seriously, given the extent of influence he had, the amount of guns and powers and the general situation in rapture, you honestly believe that the situation you describe is the best way to take care of the problem?

Besides that there's so many holes in that plan that it's hard to believe a character as smart as we are led to believe Adam is would do that.

Regardless, I liked the story of Rapture, and it's downfall. It's the story of the main protaganist that's disappointing.

[pittpizza]

I personally don't have a problem with the story. It is a little far fetched but so is the story of a lot of great videogames and movies. What Atlas did to Jack (you're character) is alot like what happned in Manchurian Candidate, Naked Gun, and the soldier movie with Kurt Douglas.

I'm not saying that cloning a human is the same as brainwashing them, but either way I see your point that there are a lot more practical ways to kill somebody, but if Ryan had used them we wouldnt have a videogame to play would we?

[Damian]

Seriously, given the extent of influence he had, the amount of guns and powers and the general situation in rapture, you honestly believe that the situation you describe is the best way to take care of the problem?
What makes you think it was his only plan, or even his best one? If you have the ability to set a sleeper why wouldn't you?

[pittpizza]

You guys (and gals) HAVE to see this. Best costume EVER!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YEqZkglTVYE

[Corvin]

rotfl

Awesome.

[Javery]

I'm FINALLY about to start playing this... probably tonight assuming I can finish Metroid Prime 3 in an hour or less. After all the great reviews and the awesome demo I can't wait to start playing. Too bad I seem to be a little late to the party!

[SteveMcQ]

Too bad I seem to be a little late to the party!It's never too late to harvest Little Sisters. (I'm still only halfway through the game, if that, after picking this up at release. Ugh.)

[regisphilbi0]

I am in love with this game! I just started yesterday... wow. Stunning!

[Javery]

I got through the first "level" I guess (I got the achievement). This game is amazing - I was playing in the dark and I was kind of creeped out...

[ighosty]

Still need to finish this, not sure if i'm going to try and finish this or COD4 first..

[GizmoGC]

Should be an updated soon to correct the Widescreen issues...

[red flare graf]

I so lost interested in the game.. I recognize how awesome the environments are, and how good the story is, but the gameplay started to bore the crap out of me. I'll force myself through it eventually.

[Trakan]

There's a new achievement worth 100 points. It's a secret achievement. One guy said he looked at the game's code and it's for beating the game on hard without using a vital chamber.

[lawlflip]

There's a new achievement worth 100 points. It's a secret achievement. One guy said he looked at the game's code and it's for beating the game on hard without using a vital chamber.
So the game has 1100 achievement points?

Err...

[life.exe]

There's a new achievement worth 100 points. It's a secret achievement. One guy said he looked at the game's code and it's for beating the game on hard without using a vital chamber.

So why does it say 1000/1000?

[Trakan]

So why does it say 1000/1000?

I checked xbox.com earlier today, and it was 1100. Xbox.com is broken right now, so I can't prove it yet.

[Javery]

I thought the vital chambers got activated automatically?

[halfbent]

Hard mode without dying? I'm not even going to attempt that one if it's what it actually is lol

[nyprimus4]

I so lost interested in the game.. I recognize how awesome the environments are, and how good the story is, but the gameplay started to bore the crap out of me. I'll force myself through it eventually.

.

[Trakan]

I thought the vital chambers got activated automatically?

Right, but technically you don't use one until you die and respawn there.

[slickkill77]

You only use it if you die.....For those that got bored. Are you mixing and matching plasmids and weapons? Like lighting a guy on fire and shooting a rocket at him. Those types of things make it fun

[DarkNessBear]

Stupid Stupid Bioshock...

Well, I was about 5 hours into the game when I took a break not playing for a month.

Then my GF was over and she forced me to play it again (she loves watching BS) and so we played for around 2-3 hours, without saving.

Then we got to this loading part where it froze during the load.... now every time i load the last save it loads the quicksave part where it froze. So now I have to replay those 2 hours all over again... blah..

:cry:

[dmaul1114]

Should save more often. I save all the time in games that let you save any time. Clear out a room. Save. Kill a big daddy, save. Etc. etc.

I hate doing stuff over, even little tiny parts.

[Halo05]

Beating hard mode without dying? Good lord. I can see it being possible towards the end of the game but early on (I'm thinking Neptune's Bounty time), Big Daddys will fuck you up and you really don't have the ammo and/or plasmids to take them down quickly.

[garfep]

Eh, with save abuse it wouldn't be that bad. Just save constantly and reload your save if you die. I wouldn't have the patience to do it, but for people who wanted the achievement badly enough it wouldn't be impossible.

[Maklershed]

I'm really getting pissed about not getting a coffin for my big daddy or even getting a simple email update. Has anyone heard any word yet on the replacement issue?

[Halo05]

Eh, with save abuse it wouldn't be that bad. Just save constantly and reload your save if you die. I wouldn't have the patience to do it, but for people who wanted the achievement badly enough it wouldn't be impossible.

Yeah, I guess I was thinking about it strictly from the way that 2k probably wants it to be done (saving rarely, as if you were playing it with resurrections). If it gets confirmed and Bioshock gets some DLC worth having (preferably free but I have some cheap-ass points laying around) I'll probably give it a shot. I still haven't seen one of the endings.

[Corvin]

Actually Ken Levine said he wanted gamers to save frequently so they could go back to certain sections and experiment/replay them a different way with the weapons/plasmids.

[RollingSkull]

Actually, beating the game on hard without dying isn't that bad. You can postpone dealing with most Big Daddies until you get the good stuff for taking them down.

[Javery]

Did anyone else have problems playing this alone in the dark? God I'm a pussy.

[SteveMcQ]

Did anyone else have problems playing this alone in the dark? God I'm a pussy.Sadly, yes. I'm stuck on Fort Frolic now 'cause of the freaky scenery.

[lordwow]

Argh, I was getting close to getting 1000/1000, but now I'll have to do yet another playthrough to get this new one.

[Corvin]

has this extra 100 been confirmed? It is an odd number and MS has never allowed extra points except the 250pts with expansions.

Nothing has been mentioned on the Bioshock website. (http://www.2kgames.com/cultofrapture/news.html)

*edit- n/m just saw it on the achievement list on xbox.com

[refusedchaos]

You guys (and gals) HAVE to see this. Best costume EVER!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YEqZkglTVYE
lol nice!!!!!!

[crzyboy88]

Looks like the 51st achievement is called Bullet Proof, in which you play Hard Mode w/o Vita Chambers. But I have yet to see any hard evidence proving this...

[Callandor]

lol nice!!!!!!

Eh, the girl should have been talking about Mr. Bubbles and carrying a giant syringe, but cool all the same. :D

[cag1000]

Sorry if this has been asked and addressed a million times but.....anyone know of any Big Daddy coffins sent out yet or artbooks?

[Javery]

I got through the Medical Pavilion last night - I'm loving this game. I also got my first taste of Adam by saving a Little Sister. Should I be saving them or harvesting them or both? The scene with the first one was awesome - I love how she is backpedaling away from you looking all scared.

[PhoenixT]

I'd reccommend saving them I think you end up with more benifit doing it that way plus you get a better ending.

[Halo05]

I'd reccommend saving them I think you end up with more benifit doing it that way plus you get a better ending.

Same here. After you've saved them all, you'll get an achievement for your kindness.

[Damian]

Sorry if this has been asked and addressed a million times but.....anyone know of any Big Daddy coffins sent out yet or artbooks?
Nothing, and no word on when. The last post on the 9th was that the Big Daddies would finish manufacturing "soon". Of course, they said that several weeks earlier too, and I don't see how that part even matters when they could have gotten the return boxes out weeks ago so people at least feel like something is happening.

[PhoenixT]

Same here. After you've saved them all, you'll get an achievement for your kindness.

I"m not 100% but I think that achievement is for saving/harvesting all the little sisters basically you dealt with them all. Which you should anyway if you want the most out of your bioshock experience. How else would you get ADAM for new plasmids and such.

[halfbent]

There is one achievement for dealing with them all, and another (100pts) for saving them all.

[pittpizza]

I am positive about the answer to some questions. Take my advice with cred. b/c I have played through twice and have 1000/1000 acheivements, it was not easy (soooo many diaries). Especially with the branching type decisions where one wrong move will cost you an ach. Yeah I was pissed when I heard about the ALLEGED new ach but until I see conclusive evidence Im not gonna sweat it.

To Jav: Save or Rescue, but most imnportantly BE CONSISTENT!! WIthout spoiling anything I will tell you that if you do half and half, at the end of the game you will regret it. Whichever you choose, stick with it. My advice: RESCUE!! THe difference in ADAM is negligible and you get cool stuff that you otherwise would not by rescuing. BTW, why are you still so far towards the beginning!? You dont have enough gaming time I can tell b/c this is a game that sucks you back for more. You posted weeks ago about it and still just beat the med pav!?

You miss out on a few achievments if you harvest more than one (you will still get them if you harvest one, BUT ONLY ONE SINGLE LS, any more than that you miss out): Namely "Tonic Collector" & "Little Sister Savior".

PhoenixT the ach. you're thinking of is called "Dealt with every LS" and it doenst matter whether to save or harvest to get this one, so long as you deal with every one".

I have no idea about the BD coffins.

[Javery]

To Jav: Save or Rescue, but most imnportantly BE CONSISTENT!! WIthout spoiling anything I will tell you that if you do half and half, at the end of the game you will regret it. Whichever you choose, stick with it. My advice: RESCUE!! THe difference in ADAM is negligible and you get cool stuff that you otherwise would not by rescuing. BTW, why are you still so far towards the beginning!? You dont have enough gaming time I can tell b/c this is a game that sucks you back for more. You posted weeks ago about it and still just beat the med pav!?

You miss out on a few achievments if you harvest more than one (you will still get them if you harvest one, BUT ONLY ONE SINGLE LS, any more than that you miss out): Namely "Tonic Collector" & "Little Sister Savior".

OK, cool - looks like I'll be saving them on this playthrough. I can already tell I'll be playing this twice though. And yes, I do not have enough time to game. I got Bioshock when it came out and played it for about 10 minutes and decided I wouldn't pick it up again until I finished Metroid Prime 3 which took me until last week since I get about an hour a night if I'm lucky and the kids and wife are sleeping. I also notice I'm moving super slow because I find the whole experience kind of creepy and I'm inching around corners and stuff. When I think of what I've actually accomplished I could probably get through it all in an hour but I've probably been playing for 5 or 6.

[JeffreyLebowski]

Coincidentally, I just started Bioshock the other day and made it through the Medical Pavillion last night. SOOOO great, just like everyone has already said for the past month or so since it was released. The atmosphere is really incredible with top notch graphics and sound effects. Playing this game in 5.1 is really insane; the sound mix is fantastic.

I'm a pussy when it comes to scary/horror games, so I'm in with the 'creeping around corners' crowd. I've been trying to hack everything as I go along so I don't miss anything...also checking out every last nook and cranny of each level. Needless to say, I'm going to playing this game for quite a while. I've stayed far, far away from spoilers for this game, and I'm so glad I did. Can't wait to see how the story develops....

[soccerstud652]

Tag, I just ordered this on Amazon.

[IOnceWasLegend]

It should say something about Bioshock that I'm strapped for 'fun' cash, rented and beat it the week it came out, explored every nook and cranny, and am still willing to pay $50 for it this week and wait for Mass Effect.

It's that damn good.

[halfbent]

I put it on hold pretty much after beating it the first time, but now I'm thinking about possibly beating it this weekend; although not in a 24 hour, do just about nothing but play Bioshock marathon session, on hard this go around.

[Javery]

Is it possible to kill a Big Daddy and not find a Little Sister nearby? I'm in the wharf and I killed one but no Little Sister...

Also, I suck at this game - a common splicer gets a piece of me every single time and a Big Daddy kills me like 4 or 5 times before I can bring him down...

[Bretters]

Is it possible to kill a Big Daddy and not find a Little Sister nearby? I'm in the wharf and I killed one but no Little Sister...

You have to follow him around until he calls out a little sister.

[JJSP]

I just started playing this game this morning, and totally sympathize with javery about inching around corners. I'm always expecting something to jump out at me.

This game is beautiful though. There's so much attention to detail - I keep thinking I've missed something whenever I clear an area.

And, I too am right around the medical pavilion.

[Javery]

You have to follow him around until he calls out a little sister.

So did I eff everything up by killing the Big Daddy?

[RollingSkull]

So did I eff everything up by killing the Big Daddy?

Big Daddies respawn ad infinitum. In fact, I will be surprised if you do not encounter 3 more Big Daddies after you deal with all the Sisters before you even complete the level.

By the way, SAVE THE SISTERS, dammit. The good ending is worth it.

[Javery]

Big Daddies respawn ad infinitum. In fact, I will be surprised if you do not encounter 3 more Big Daddies after you deal with all the Sisters before you even complete the level.

By the way, SAVE THE SISTERS, dammit. The good ending is worth it.

Ugh. Really? They are a huge pain in the ass to kill. Both of the ones I killed were caled "Rosie" and were in the same area so maybe it was a respawn...

[Damian]

Ugh. Really? They are a huge pain in the ass to kill. Both of the ones I killed were caled "Rosie" and were in the same area so maybe it was a respawn...
All of the ones with a rivet gun are called Rosie (as in Rose the Riveter) and the ones with the drill are called Mr Bubbles. If they don't have a Sister you don't have to deal with them. They won't attack unless you initiate it, just be careful they don't get caught in crossfire of Splicer fights.

[IOnceWasLegend]

All of the ones with a rivet gun are called Rosie (as in Rose the Riveter) and the ones with the drill are called Mr Bubbles. If they don't have a Sister you don't have to deal with them. They won't attack unless you initiate it, just be careful they don't get caught in crossfire of Splicer fights.

Yeeeep...not a happy moment when you're dealing with a few splicers and then you see that happy, cheerful yellow glow turn blood red.

[linkpwns]

Is it possible to kill a Big Daddy and not find a Little Sister nearby? I'm in the wharf and I killed one but no Little Sister...

Also, I suck at this game - a common splicer gets a piece of me every single time and a Big Daddy kills me like 4 or 5 times before I can bring him down...

It's extremely possible

If there are no more little sisters left in that level, you won't get one. Of if she ran back into her whole between your death and the killing of the big daddy, you won't get one.

[RollingSkull]

Ugh. Really? They are a huge pain in the ass to kill. Both of the ones I killed were caled "Rosie" and were in the same area so maybe it was a respawn...

There are Rosies, who are TOTAL bitches, and Bouncers, who are total (Non caps) bitches with the drills.

They won't start shit if you don't start shit. If they don't have a Little Sister, they won't even acknowledge your existence half the time. Just avoid attacking them or fighting near them and you'll be fine.

Besides, it is fun to Enrage them if they're near splicers.

[SteveMcQ]

Ugh. Really? They are a huge pain in the ass to kill. Both of the ones I killed were caled "Rosie" and were in the same area so maybe it was a respawn...The Hypnotize plasmid (or whatever that one is called that has the Big Daddy protecting you) works wonders for me trying to take out Big Daddies. Just get one to follow you around until you find another one and let the two fight it out.

I was lucky to get this one scenario where I had both Big Daddies each with a Little Sister fighting each other. The Big Daddy protecting me killed the other one and after he got his senses back to get back to his Little Sister, I promptly was able to kill him with one shot.

[Javery]

I played for a while last night. I think I'm getting better at it... but not really. I found the camera and I took the first three pictures. I really really like this game. How do you tell how many little sisters are left in a level? Also, can I go back to old areas to get stuff I missed - there was an ice wall in the medical pavillion I couldn't get through because I didn't have the incinerate plasmid on me at the time...

[Jesus_S_Preston]

How do you tell how many little sisters are left in a level? Also, can I go back to old areas to get stuff I missed - there was an ice wall in the medical pavillion I couldn't get through because I didn't have the incinerate plasmid on me at the time...

1. Pause the game. At the bottom of the pause menu will be little circles representing the Little Sisters in the level; the picture for each will change whether you saved, harvested, or haven't found each.

2. Yes.

[JJSP]

I played for a while last night. I think I'm getting better at it... but not really. I found the camera and I took the first three pictures. I really really like this game. How do you tell how many little sisters are left in a level? Also, can I go back to old areas to get stuff I missed - there was an ice wall in the medical pavillion I couldn't get through because I didn't have the incinerate plasmid on me at the time...
Whenever you save/harvest a Little Sister, it'll tell you X/X Gatherers found.
To the best of my knowledge, you can go back. It's almost necessary if you're trying to get all of the diaries (crap, there's a ton).
Melt EVERYTHING in the medical pavilion. There's lots of items to pick up.

I'm moving through the Arcadia level, and so far, this game has lived up to the hype. There's so much to see and do, and the use of plasmids opens this game up tenfold. Ammo is almost an afterthought, as with the telekinesis plasmid, anything can be ammo. The hacking minigame is sort of a letdown, but at least it's not required.

[pittpizza]

Any word yet on the credibility of the rumor that there is a new achievment for beating the game on hard without ever respawning ina vita chamber.

Jav: Take my advice, TAKE PICTURES OF EVERYTHING!!! Thugish splicers, nitro s; Little sisters, turrets, bots, both types of big daddies, and especially a certian boss's dead body.

This will pay huge dividends later in the game with bonuses, plasmids, tonics etc. Do it alot at first (In Neptune's bounty and arcadia) and you won't have to mess with it later as everything will get fully reasearched.

As to the BD/LS question. Basically there are a finite number of Little sisters, and an infinite amount of BD's, as in the BD's will continually respawn and walk along a set route, knocking on vents to try and draw out little sisters. On the pause screen you can check the status of teh all the LS in your current level (if they are shown next to a BD, you havent dealt with them yet).

So some would say don't mess with a BD until you see them with a LS, otherwise your only booty will be the cash, no ADAM.

As an off topic tip: Be cognizant of having the electroshock plasmid on when you have a BD hypnotized, if you get hit adn zap the BD, you may have a bigger brawl on your hands than you were anticipating.

As to methods of taking down BDs, you can get a little BD on BD axn going on with the hyp. BD plasmid, or use turrets and bots to take him down by luring him in front of them (my fav. method). THey get MUCH easier later in the game.

[lordwow]

Any word yet on the credibility of the rumor that there is a new achievment for beating the game on hard without ever respawning ina vita chamber.


It's listed on XBox.com, so I'd say it's vaild.

[Javery]

Thanks for the tips! Can I go back and take pics of dead bosses? I killed Peaches but forgot to take a picture of him.

I'm in Arcadia now - holy crap this game is awesome. So pretty.... I think I'm also past the point where things are scaring me - occasionally someone will pop out and I'll jump but for the most part when I enter a room I expect splicers. I upgraded my shotgun and now I've started to pick up things like kerosene and glue for inventing I guess but I haven't reached that point yet. This game is so great.

[pittpizza]

Don't worry about snapping pics of bosses until you're past arcadia.

Also if the Houdini Splicer's are giving you trouple. Snap pics pics pics, and you'll eventually find they're easier, thats all I'll say.

The scarriest part for me was the Med Pavillion because later in the game you become more powerful and feel more confident. It has been awhile since my first playthrough but the Med Pavillion and some of the later levels were the scarriest for me.

[SteveMcQ]

Fort Frolic. Creepy.

[Rei no Otaku]

Fort Frolic. Creepy.
The Iceman cometh, Sander baby. The Iceman fucking cometh.

[Maklershed]

2,000th post! Weee! :bouncy: