What is America's Most Evil Company?

[Xevious]

My friends were discussing this the other day. Here are a few names that we tossed up: Haliburton, Exxon, Abercrombie & Fitch, Starbucks, KFC, Microsoft...


What do you think is America's most Evil company?

[ElwoodCuse]

Clear Channel. Media consolidation is one of the biggest non-violent threats that we face today.

[basketkase543]

Walmart goes up there as one of the worst.

[AnthonyRoundtree]

Gamestop.

[jmcc]

Virtucon Industries.

[ZForce915]

I think my opinion on this might change from month to month, but for right now my vote is Haliburton.

[Quackzilla]

Halliburton.

[hutno]

M$, Not at the top of my lists but they deffinitely rank in the top 20

[Xevious]

Virtucon Industries.

Never heard of them...what do they do?

[jmcc]

What's M Dollar Sign?

[hutno]

Microsoft

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Most evil? LOL, no, this isn't a slanted topic.

Popular consensus without anyone having to go through the replies is Halliburton.

Who do I think is the most evil? Sun Microsystems and Netscape. Since they can't compete with Microsoft head to head they call in the government under specious monopoly rules and try to break up America's most successful worldwide company.

They're like the little kid that can't make the baseball team and has his mom call and bitch out the coach until he does.

[jmcc]

Virtucon Industries.

Never heard of them...what do they do?

They used to be in volitile chemicals, but changed over to communications. Also, they have a steel mill in Cleveland, do shipping in Texas, oil refineries in Seattle, a factory in Chicago that makes miniature models of factories, and they own the Franklin mint, which makes decorative hand-painted theme plates for collectors.

[Lootr2Core]

Vitrucon...

DR. EVIL
For thirty years, Number Two has run
Virtucon, the legitimate face of my
evil empire.

He hits a button. The conference table slowly rotates to
reveal a large, illuminated map of the United States dotted
by various miniature models.

NUMBER TWO
Over the last thirty years, Virtucon
has grown by leaps and bounds. About
fifteen years ago, we changed from
volatile chemicals to the
communication industry. We own cable
companies in thirty-eight states.

The thirty-eight states illuminate on the map.

NUMBER TWO
In addition to our cable holdings,
we own a steel mill in Cleveland.

A steel mill miniature illuminates in Cleveland.

NUMBER TWO
Shipping in Texas.

A ship off the coast of Texas illuminates.

NUMBER TWO
Oil refineries in Seattle.

An oil refinery illuminates in Seattle.

NUMBER TWO
And a factory in Chicago that makes
miniature models of factories.

The miniature model factory lights up in Chicago.

NUMBER TWO
We also own the Franklin mint, which
makes decorative hand-painted theme
plates for collectors.
(holds up plate)
Some plates, like the Gone With The
Wind series, have gone up in value
as much as two-hundred and forty
percent, but, as with any investment,
there is some risk involved.

[jmcc]

Microsoft

Oh, Microsoft. How'd "M$" come out of your keyboard, then? That's a heck of a typo.

[Lootr2Core]

http://www.elvis92.com/virtucon1.gif

[jmcc]

I mean, am I wrong? Virtucon is run by a guy named Evil. What more do you want?

[Lootr2Core]

My vote would be for myself

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/bluealbino/SYP/images/mrburns-laugh.gif

Well, that's odd.... I've just robbed a man of his livelihood, and yet I feel strangely empty. Tell you what, Smithers, - have him beaten to a pulp."

"I could crush him like an ant. But it would be too easy. No, revenge is a dish best served cold. I'll bide my time until.... Oh, what the hell. I'll just crush him like an ant."

"I should be able to run over as many kids as I want."

"Ha-ha! Smithers, this reminds me of that fat man I used to ride to work!"


"What good is money if it can't inspire terror in your fellow man?"

[ZForce915]

Microsoft

Oh, Microsoft. How'd "M$" come out of your keyboard, then? That's a heck of a typo.

This was adopted a little while back as an acceptable abbreviation of Microsoft.

[Tromack]

I'd say Enron. Halliburton and Walmart are also up there. But how can KFC be considered evil? All they do is offer me delicious fried chicken at an affordable price. And if you spout any of that urban legend animal 13/spider-chicken crap, I will smack you.

[hutno]

They are who you go to if you need a factory that specializes in making models of factories

[Tromack]

M$
http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-07-22&res=l

[jmcc]

Microsoft

Oh, Microsoft. How'd "M$" come out of your keyboard, then? That's a heck of a typo.

This was adopted a little while back as an acceptable abbreviation of Microsoft.

Seems like just plain old MS would be better. You don't have to move so far off the home row of the keyboard to get it. Who made it acceptable, anyway? Doesn't sound like a OED decision.

[ElwoodCuse]

They're like the little kid that can't make the baseball team and has his mom call and bitch out the coach until he does.

More like the little kid that can't even try out for the baseball team because the best player on the team won't let them.

Now I'm far from one of those "LOL M$ LOL" people but having one corporation be so big that it can just use this bigness rather than the merits of their product to succeed in the marketplace is a bad thing.

[Quackzilla]

M$, Not at the top of my lists but they deffinitely rank in the top 20

They standardized the operating system.

Those evil bastards!

They make superior products so they can dominate the market!

I am glad the US gov is making them take out stuff like windows media player and the java player. If you can't just start up your computer and start using it (and have to spend hours downloading stuff) people will start buying Macintosh computers even though they are disgustingly high priced and MacOS is not compatible with most video game software.

I hope the whole "Personal affordable computer" industry goes down the toilet.

That was sarcasm.

If Bill Gates was smart Microsoft would be in Japan now, but he keeps manufacturing in the US to make more jobs.


I hate jackasses who jump on the "I hate Microsoft" bandwagon for no reason at all.

[hutno]

No I just hate the constant barage of trojans and viruses and the need for constant updates just to make sure my computer will still be up and running tomarrow. Windows has so many loop holes in their PC software that hackers can exploit that there is almost a daily need to update antivirus software.

[shortshire]

Microsoft

[dtcarson]

No I just hate the constant barage of trojans and viruses and the need for constant updates just to make sure my computer will still be up and running tomarrow. Windows has so many loop holes in their PC software that hackers can exploit that there is almost a daily need to update virus software.

Yes.
But.
That's like blaming Saturn or Honda for making a car that's popular for owners and car thieves.
"2003's most-stolen automobile was the 1995 Saturn SL...that car was closely followed by the 1998 Acura Integra and the 1994 Saturn SL."

Is Microsoft perfect? By no means.
Is their software perfect? No.
I'm actually surprised it works as well as it does, with so many different versions and user levels. I can create an Excel report, create a presentation about it in Powerpoint, and send it via Outlook to thousands of people who will all see the exact same thing.
Plus....if you get a virus or a trojan, you're doing something wrong. If I leave the keys in my car in a bad part of town, I don't blame BMW when I get back and it's gone.

[eldad9]

SCO GROUP INC (NasdaqSC:SCOX)

A Lindon, Utah based racketeering operation with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Once a vendor of Unix, now their only reason for staying open is trying to get companies to believe they own portions of the Linux operating system and any company using Linux should pay them $699 (or whatever) per server.

They're currently involved in at least four lawsuits, involving IBM, Red Hat, Novell, Autozone, and Daimler-Chrysler. They have no chance of winning any of them.

At different times they have been known to claim you don't have a right to distribute your own software for free because it's anticonstitutional, claim they have proof IBM misappropriated their code while telling the courts they need many more months and IBM's cooperation to find such proof, and that they own source code later found to be in the public domain.

On a positive note, their stock's down more than 7% today, and it's at its 52 week low, losing more than 80% over its high point.

More at http://www.groklaw.net/ .

[Cornfedwb]

My dear lord I want to track down the OP as well as many of the posters in this thread and just beat them down. Ok, listen closely people...

MAKING MONEY DOES NOT MAKE YOU EVIL

We live it a Capitilist economy, they have every right to make money, in fact I applaud them for doing it. Halliburton is NOT evil, MS is NOT evil, Bill Gates is not Satan.. in fact you should look up to him as a capitilist hero. Goddamn hippy uneducated socialists piss me the fuck off.

If you don't like capitalism, move to China you pantywaist "non-conformist" hippy communists.

[Tromack]

Making money isn't evil. However, Enron execs saying things like "Granny won't be able to pay? Fuck Granny" is rather evil.

[Lootr2Core]

If you google evil companies the number one site has NESTLE as #1. followed by,
2 Coca-Cola
3 McDonalds
4 Proctor and Gamble
5 Unilever
6 Wal-Mart
7 Glaxo Smithkline
8 Bacardi
9 Shell
10 Balfour Beatty

semi interesting read-- Cornfedwb you'll be happy cause it seems that they are making their 'evil' rankings not based upon making money (although I didn't read them all)

[hutno]

No I just hate the constant barage of trojans and viruses and the need for constant updates just to make sure my computer will still be up and running tomarrow. Windows has so many loop holes in their PC software that hackers can exploit that there is almost a daily need to update virus software.

Yes.
But.
That's like blaming Saturn or Honda for making a car that's popular for owners and car thieves.
"2003's most-stolen automobile was the 1995 Saturn SL...that car was closely followed by the 1998 Acura Integra and the 1994 Saturn SL."

Is Microsoft perfect? By no means.
Is their software perfect? No.
I'm actually surprised it works as well as it does, with so many different versions and user levels. I can create an Excel report, create a presentation about it in Powerpoint, and send it via Outlook to thousands of people who will all see the exact same thing.
Plus....if you get a virus or a trojan, you're doing something wrong. If I leave the keys in my car in a bad part of town, I don't blame BMW when I get back and it's gone.

No, Ithink its more like a company making a car with faulty locks and not telling the customer about it until your car has been stolen

[Quackzilla]

No I just hate the constant barage of trojans and viruses and the need for constant updates just to make sure my computer will still be up and running tomarrow. Windows has so many loop holes in their PC software that hackers can exploit that there is almost a daily need to update antivirus software.

The people I was complaining about are the same people who write those viruses and worms.

My antivirus subscriprion expired last year and funnily enough my computer runs fine, and nothing so far has penetrated my firewall.

I am runing XP SP1 and Norton antivirus (2001). I have had no need to update either in a long, long time.

I did get one virus, though. But it was an old one so Norton caught it. I was glad I didn't pay for the renewal.

[Lootr2Core]

No I just hate the constant barage of trojans and viruses and the need for constant updates just to make sure my computer will still be up and running tomarrow. Windows has so many loop holes in their PC software that hackers can exploit that there is almost a daily need to update antivirus software.

The people I was complaining about are the same people who write those viruses and worms.

My antivirus subscriprion expired last year and funnily enough my computer runs fine, and nothing so far has penetrated my firewall.

I am runing XP SP1 and Norton antivirus (2001). I have had no need to update either in a long, long time.

I did get one virus, though. But it was an old one so Norton caught it. I was glad I didn't pay for the renewal.

evil note to self... be sure to attack quackzilla's computer... :)

[captainfrizo]

After reading Nickel and Dimed I'd say Wal-Mart.

[fwacce]

FATWALLET

[hutno]

Honestly guys I don't think microsoft is the worst but I deal with computers daily and there nothing more frustrating then seeing all the loopholes. I couldn't live without my xbox and its deffinitely proff that microsoft can make a high quality product the first time. I can't blame them for wanting more money for new versions of windows, but is it wrong to want a quality product for my PC when i first buy it?

EDIT: changed from stream of thought to english

[dtcarson]

M$
http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-07-22&res=l

Assuming this wasn't sarcastic, did you read Tycho's news update for that strip?

"It's often assumed that you can assume a computing enthusiast hates Microsoft, and I think that's why people pepper mails to us with it - I'd imagine people just automatically think we'd agree with the sentiment. It simply isn't true. We do love virtue and detest bullshit. But I think Microsoft has had - thus far - a Net Positive Effect.

It's rare that you see one of our number - geeks and gamers, all - say anything positive about Microsoft, because MS is the veritable embodiment of The Man. They are like the Avatar of The Man here on Earth. And you can't throw in your lot with him if you want to maintain your underground credentials. Well, if we ever had those, here they go. When I say that I think Microsoft has had a Net Positive Effect, I'm not just trying to flaunt my iconoclasm. My experience with x86 personal computers has gotten more sensible with every Microsoft operating system I've installed. Admittedly, I never installed ME. But I didn't need to. 98 was fine until it was time to graduate to 2k, and despite the computing apocalypse that Windows XP's Product Activation features were supposed to ignite, I've never had the first problem with it, and it's not like I don't upgrade shit. I like using their programs. I like going into a store and having so Goddamn many things available for my operating system that I can't decide and just go home. "

Other than that, SCO GROUP INC does sound pretty bad.
I agree with Cornfedwb. No company is perfect, and many things a company [or a person] does can be interpreted in positive or negative ways, or have some positive and some negative effects, but:
* There's nothing wrong with making money.
* You can make money while still being 'moral/ethical.'
* There's no such thing as a product that's perfect.

I would like to know how many people who think of Microsoft or KFC or whatever as 'evil', would think the same if *you* were that top man. Is it evil, or is it jealousy/envy?

As far as I know, no companies nowadays really rely on slavery, or molest children or run over dogs or defile churches. [The closest I can think of is the companies who used sweatshops and child labor, which is certainly wrong.]

And a company's job is to make money. If it doesn't make money, people lose jobs, stockholders lose investments, usually the CEO bails out with a golden parachute, and isn't *that* more evil than anything mentioned here so far? To make a promise, to fail miserably, then to bail out without making amends.

[Storamin]

If I leave the keys in my car in a bad part of town, I don't blame BMW when I get back and it's gone.
BMW's are the best. Microsoft rules, too. Most people are too stupid to understand, unfourtunately.

[Squirms]

THe most evil company, no doubt about it- Initech.

[eldad9]

if you get a virus or a trojan, you're doing something wrong. If I leave the keys in my car in a bad part of town, I don't blame BMW when I get back and it's gone.

What a horrible analogy.

A car is a physical object; of course there are ways to defeat any kind of physical security.

Software is a logical entity; if it is flawless, an attacker will never be able to compromise it. Attackers can only hope that there are exploitable flaws in it.

It's terrible (and incidentally, microsoft's fault) that people are so used to computers malfunctioning, they don't even consider the fact they shouldn't be that way.

[dtcarson]

No, Ithink its more like a company making a car with faulty locks and not telling the customer about it until your car has been stolen

Hmm...Perhaps. But this somewhat falls into the 'caveat emptor' realm. Who uses a computer, and *doesn't* know that there are some basic risks/instability to that? And MS does offer those free updates, where they try to counter these attacks.
I took my car into the shop this week to have a taillight bulb replaced. As I was there, they said 'Oh there was a recall on your tailgate, we'll go ahead and do that too.' I had no idea.
So this situation does happen for cars as well.
Regarding your comment "but is it wrong to want a quality product for my PC?"
Not at all. What did you buy? Did you buy a computer with Windows/Microsoft programs? Then the fault is partially yours--if it sells, they'll sell it. You could buy a Mac, you could run Linux or Unix or whatever else there is.
Please don't think I'm attacking you--it's just that you're about the only person who's not just listed a name of an 'evil company' : )

[Quackzilla]

I find it hilarius how people say Linux/Unix/MacOS are perfect.

It just shows how naive they are.

[dtcarson]

if you get a virus or a trojan, you're doing something wrong. If I leave the keys in my car in a bad part of town, I don't blame BMW when I get back and it's gone.

What a horrible analogy.

A car is a physical object; of course there are ways to defeat any kind of physical security.

Software is a logical entity; if it is flawless, an attacker will never be able to compromise it. Attackers can only hope that there are exploitable flaws in it.

It's terrible (and incidentally, microsoft's fault) that people are so used to computers malfunctioning, they don't even consider the fact they shouldn't be that way.

Nothing is flawless.
It's not microsoft's fault, it's the public's for buying 'malfunctioning' software and computers. If people didn't buy it, or if they *demanded* 'flawless' software, it would happen. And by 'demand' I mean buy alternatives, hit them inthe evil wallet, rather than just whine on the internet and make cutesy M$'s. It's not McDonald's 'fault' people are obese. It is their fault for frying fries in fattening oil. If the consumer demanded otherwise, it would change.

[eldad9]

Well, you couldn't run Unix, because then you'd be doing business with the SCO group (see above). Linux and the various *BSDs are an acceptable alternative though.

[dtcarson]

I find it hilarius how people say Linux/Unix/MacOS are perfect.

It just shows how naive they are.

Assuming that's directed at me--I didn't say they were perfect. As I said above, nothing is flawless. I haven't used a Mac since college.
My point was simply that, if Microsoft is so bad and evil and make such crappy products, buy something else. Why should Microsoft or any company work on improving products, if what they have sells great?

[eldad9]

Nothing's flawless - yet.

Partly because there's no market demand for quality software.

[Xevious]

Someone was asking about KFC. Here two articles about them:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/07/21/financial1134EDT0117.DTL

Here is another article about KFC promoting themselves as diet food:

KFC claims fried chicken is an Atkins-friendly food

By Maxine Frith, Social Affairs Correspondent

29 October 2003

The fast food giant KFC has become the latest - and most unlikely - company to exploit the huge popularity of the Atkins Diet.

The fried chicken brand launched an advertising campaign to persuade consumers that eating its meals can help them slim. The campaign, airing in the US this week, boasts that KFC's secret recipe for chicken is the perfect low-carbohydrate, high-protein choice for Atkins slimmers. Advertisements feature two men who bump into each other, with one exclaiming: "Man, you look fantastic!" Asked for the secret of his great look, the other reveals: "Eatin' chicken." A voiceover explains: "If you're going low-carb, high-protein, go KFC."

The Atkins Diet, now a global dieting brand, advocates cutting out carbohydrates and eating more protein such as meat in order to slim.

Only the small print of the advertisement admits that fried chicken is "not a low-fat, low-sodium, low-cholesterol food".

The "Atkins effect" has boosted sales of steak, fish and cheese in the UK, while bakers and potato merchants have reported falling profits.

[Cornfedwb]

Someone was asking about KFC. Here two articles about them:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/07/21/financial1134EDT0117.DTL

Here is another article about KFC promoting themselves as diet food:

KFC claims fried chicken is an Atkins-friendly food

By Maxine Frith, Social Affairs Correspondent

29 October 2003

The fast food giant KFC has become the latest - and most unlikely - company to exploit the huge popularity of the Atkins Diet.

The fried chicken brand launched an advertising campaign to persuade consumers that eating its meals can help them slim. The campaign, airing in the US this week, boasts that KFC's secret recipe for chicken is the perfect low-carbohydrate, high-protein choice for Atkins slimmers. Advertisements feature two men who bump into each other, with one exclaiming: "Man, you look fantastic!" Asked for the secret of his great look, the other reveals: "Eatin' chicken." A voiceover explains: "If you're going low-carb, high-protein, go KFC."

The Atkins Diet, now a global dieting brand, advocates cutting out carbohydrates and eating more protein such as meat in order to slim.

Only the small print of the advertisement admits that fried chicken is "not a low-fat, low-sodium, low-cholesterol food".

The "Atkins effect" has boosted sales of steak, fish and cheese in the UK, while bakers and potato merchants have reported falling profits.


They ARE a atkins-friendly food.. where is the problem and how in the hell does this make KFC evil? They dont' say KFC is healthy and good for all diets.. they say its low-carb, high-protein... which is IS.

Dumbass.

[Tromack]

Someone was asking about KFC. Here two articles about them:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/07/21/financial1134EDT0117.DTL

Here is another article about KFC promoting themselves as diet food:

KFC claims fried chicken is an Atkins-friendly food

By Maxine Frith, Social Affairs Correspondent

29 October 2003

The fast food giant KFC has become the latest - and most unlikely - company to exploit the huge popularity of the Atkins Diet.

The fried chicken brand launched an advertising campaign to persuade consumers that eating its meals can help them slim. The campaign, airing in the US this week, boasts that KFC's secret recipe for chicken is the perfect low-carbohydrate, high-protein choice for Atkins slimmers. Advertisements feature two men who bump into each other, with one exclaiming: "Man, you look fantastic!" Asked for the secret of his great look, the other reveals: "Eatin' chicken." A voiceover explains: "If you're going low-carb, high-protein, go KFC."

The Atkins Diet, now a global dieting brand, advocates cutting out carbohydrates and eating more protein such as meat in order to slim.

Only the small print of the advertisement admits that fried chicken is "not a low-fat, low-sodium, low-cholesterol food".

The "Atkins effect" has boosted sales of steak, fish and cheese in the UK, while bakers and potato merchants have reported falling profits.

So they are evil for not buying food from a company that abused animals? Those heartless bastards.

[MrBadExample]

If you would have looked at the link before calling someone a dumbass you would have seen that KFC is in hot water now for cruelty to animals.

[Lootr2Core]

Someone was asking about KFC. Here two articles about them:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/07/21/financial1134EDT0117.DTL

Here is another article about KFC promoting themselves as diet food:

KFC claims fried chicken is an Atkins-friendly food

By Maxine Frith, Social Affairs Correspondent

29 October 2003

The fast food giant KFC has become the latest - and most unlikely - company to exploit the huge popularity of the Atkins Diet.

The fried chicken brand launched an advertising campaign to persuade consumers that eating its meals can help them slim. The campaign, airing in the US this week, boasts that KFC's secret recipe for chicken is the perfect low-carbohydrate, high-protein choice for Atkins slimmers. Advertisements feature two men who bump into each other, with one exclaiming: "Man, you look fantastic!" Asked for the secret of his great look, the other reveals: "Eatin' chicken." A voiceover explains: "If you're going low-carb, high-protein, go KFC."

The Atkins Diet, now a global dieting brand, advocates cutting out carbohydrates and eating more protein such as meat in order to slim.

Only the small print of the advertisement admits that fried chicken is "not a low-fat, low-sodium, low-cholesterol food".

The "Atkins effect" has boosted sales of steak, fish and cheese in the UK, while bakers and potato merchants have reported falling profits.


They ARE a atkins-friendly food.. where is the problem and how in the hell does this make KFC evil? They dont' say KFC is healthy and good for all diets.. they say its low-carb, high-protein... which is IS.

Dumbass.

Hey hey hey now.. didn't you just say in another post .."If you can't make a point without using profanity.. buy a 'Word-A-Day' calender and expand your vocabulary." :lol:

[Tromack]

If you would have looked at the link before calling someone a dumbass you would have seen that KFC is in hot water now for cruelty to animals.

If you would have looked at the link you would have seen that it wasn't KFC, and they are no longer buying from that plant.

[Cornfedwb]

If you would have looked at the link before calling someone a dumbass you would have seen that KFC is in hot water now for cruelty to animals.

A. You can't be cruel to animals, they're animals

B. Simply by posting that asinine article about them saying they're atkins friendly as proof of them being evil.. that equates to dumbass.

edit - C. The other article is about certain employees at a supplier of KFC (not KFC) being cruel to animals. So sure, we'll say those few employees at a chicken processing plant that supply KFC are evil.. but someone explain the leap of logic that takes that to mean KFC is evil.

[Vampire Hunter D]

Walmart

[Cornfedwb]

And dumbass just conveys alot of meaning that other words simply can't. Some people just need branded with the Dumbass label. Like assuming either of those articles made KFC into an evil corporation.

[Xevious]

They ARE a atkins-friendly food.. where is the problem and how in the hell does this make KFC evil? They dont' say KFC is healthy and good for all diets.. they say its low-carb, high-protein... which is IS.

Dumbass.

Cornfed. Your missing the whole point. It doesn't matter whether KFC is atkins friendly. its the fact that they are advertising themselves as diet food.

If you ask any nutritionist or doctor accross the country if a person should eat KFC to lose weight, the answer will always be NO. Fried Chicken is not what you should eat to lose weight - pure and simple.

Those KFC commercials are nothing more than propaganda. If you buy into that, then you are the dumb-ass and I'd suspect fat-ass too!

[shadylane]

7 eleven

[Lootr2Core]

Evil=-Producing or threatening sorrow, distress, injury, or calamity; unpropitious; calamitous; as, evil tidings; evil arrows; evil days.

Having qualities tending to injury and mischief;

Nothing really comes to mind to fit that definition of evil.. Maybe some coal companies back 50+ years ago, (where you had to buy your house, and supplies from the same company..could never get out 'from under' them)

Legion of Doom maybe would be the only company that is threatening injury/sorrow.

A company that takes outdated babyfood and tries to remark the expiration date for a quick buck would be evil (but I don't know of any of those)


Remember those SNL commercials back in the 70's with Dan Ackroyd.. Selling 'kids' toys like BAG o Glass?

[ex0]

They ARE a atkins-friendly food.. where is the problem and how in the hell does this make KFC evil? They dont' say KFC is healthy and good for all diets.. they say its low-carb, high-protein... which is IS.

Dumbass.

Cornfed. Your missing the whole point. It doesn't matter whether KFC is atkins friendly. its the fact that they are advertising themselves as diet food.

If you ask any nutritionist or doctor accross the country if a person should eat KFC to lose weight, the answer will always be NO. Fried Chicken is not what you should eat to lose weight - pure and simple.

Those KFC commercials are nothing more than propaganda. If you buy into that, then you are the dumb-ass and I'd suspect fat-ass too!
According to Atkins, the low carb, high protein qualities are what makes you lose weight. Half the reason all these idiots who buy into the low-carb fad think that they can eat all this fattening food and still lose a ton of weight.

[PittsburghAfterDark]

Bag O BROKEN Glass.

My favorite though was "Invisible Pedestrian" which was nothing more than a black hood, black shirt, black mask and black pants. That was their Halloween costume.

In all seriousness you have to say Nestle is well up there on the list of evil companies. Was it the 60's or 70's? Anywho they gave out formula to new mothers in Africa to feed their babies. Basically they only gave them enough so that if they quit breast feeding by the time they ran out of formula the breasts had stopped producing milk.

Then they had to buy formula they couldn't afford and mix it in unsanitary water or their babies would starve. Yeah, that qualifies in anyones book as evil.

[Sheik Rattle Enroll]

My dear lord I want to track down the OP as well as many of the posters in this thread and just beat them down. Ok, listen closely people...

MAKING MONEY DOES NOT MAKE YOU EVIL

We live it a Capitilist economy, they have every right to make money, in fact I applaud them for doing it. Halliburton is NOT evil, MS is NOT evil, Bill Gates is not Satan.. in fact you should look up to him as a capitilist hero. Goddamn hippy uneducated socialists piss me the shaq-fu off.

If you don't like capitalism, move to China you pantywaist "non-conformist" hippy communists.

I don't think people are saying that any of these companies are evil for making money, more how they make it. For example, Haliburton got caught out for misbilling the government to the tunes of millions of dollars, and is under investigation for their business dealings with Iran. And you have companies like SCO going nuts suing people just so their CEO and such could make a quick buck off selling their stock even though they know they won't win the lawsuits in the end.

And you do realize that we don't live in a pure Capitalist society, right? There's subsidies, grants, trade restrictions, social security, etc, etc. If you like pure capitalism so much, and hate people being free to express their views so much, move to some 3rd world dictatorship you facist. Don't tell me you're one of those people that call our government a Democracy and not a Republic too. I can't stand people who tell other people to leave the country but can't even comprehend the constitution.

[Cornfedwb]

Atkins IS a diet, KFC is Atkins-friendly.. thus yes, Atkins is a diet food. Diet does not have to mean low-fat.

And just for those of you who were commenting on Atkins.. I lost over 65 pounds in 3 months on Atkins and have kept it off for 2 years now. It does work, very, very well.

Also.. I can't find a link, but the lastest American Health Journal had an article about mutiple reports showing low-carb, high-protein dieters tend to lose more weight, keep it off longer and have lower cholestoral counts.

[hiccupleftovers]

I'd have to say Wal-Mart just for the fact that they have taken out most of the mom and Pop shops as well as a lot of their competition with there low prices. They take people's lives away from them when they take their business from them, how is a person suppose to buy there low price products if he doesn't have enough money to support his family?

[Cornfedwb]

My dear lord I want to track down the OP as well as many of the posters in this thread and just beat them down. Ok, listen closely people...

MAKING MONEY DOES NOT MAKE YOU EVIL

We live it a Capitilist economy, they have every right to make money, in fact I applaud them for doing it. Halliburton is NOT evil, MS is NOT evil, Bill Gates is not Satan.. in fact you should look up to him as a capitilist hero. Goddamn hippy uneducated socialists piss me the shaq-fu off.

If you don't like capitalism, move to China you pantywaist "non-conformist" hippy communists.

I don't think people are saying that any of these companies are evil for making money, more how they make it. For example, Haliburton got caught out for misbilling the government to the tunes of millions of dollars, and is under investigation for their business dealings with Iran. And you have companies like SCO going nuts suing people just so their CEO and such could make a quick buck off selling their stock even though they know they won't win the lawsuits in the end.

And you do realize that we don't live in a pure Capitalist society, right? There's subsidies, grants, trade restrictions, social security, etc, etc. If you like pure capitalism so much, and hate people being free to express their views so much, move to some 3rd world dictatorship you facist. Don't tell me you're one of those people that call our government a Democracy and not a Republic too. I can't stand people who tell other people to leave the country but can't even comprehend the constitution.

Ahhh, the voice of ignorance rears its head again. I never said we live in a pure Capitalist society.. in fact we're beginning to tend heavily towards Socialism. That doesn't mean I have to like it, or enjoy listening to childish intellectual neanderthals calling a company "evil" for continuing its capatilistic ways.

The OP listed Starbucks.. I can almost guarantee you his reasoning is something along the lines of "They're everwhere, and they take over all the small, family-run businesses when they come into town".. many people have mentioned Walmart as evil.. probably for the same ignorant reason. First off, there is a reason Starbucks and Walmart kick the small businesses out.. they're BETTER than them, Starbucks has damn good coffee, Walmart has damn good prices. Secondly, thats capitilism, that's what our economy and our country was built on.. if people can't understand that, there's no reason to listen to their ramblings.



Oh yes.. the comment about calling our country a Democracy and not a Republic.. explain that. Anyone who understands the difference realizes our country is a Democratic Republic.. pure and simple. Was that just a random comment or does that have some sort of thought behind it?

edit - Thanks for helping me prove one of my points hiccupleftovers

[Sheik Rattle Enroll]

I'd say the Atkins fad is fairly evil because it promises people a quick and dangerous solution to a deeper problem.

The only studies I've ever seen that showed Atkins dieters having lower cholesterol than a control group had the Atkins dieters taking fish oil supplements.

The reason Atkins dieters lose weight so quickly is because they cut out sugar. Studies have shown that the daily caloric increase in the average American's diet since 1970 is almost entirely sugar and corn syrup.

Eating sensibly will have the same net effect as the Atkins diet, but without the health risks. Calories are calories plain and simple. In fact, your body has to expend extra calories to convert protein and carbs to fat for storage, while fat is already just that, fat. I've been in great shape my whole life, just by eating sensibly, no magic diets.

[hiccupleftovers]

Oh, I just got another one, best BUy. I can't seem to find the article, but the one where the CEO or something like that proclaims that customers that only buy at sales or cheap product or have to talk to an employ for a good amount of time are "Demon Customers" :twisted:

[Admiral Ackbar]

I dunno. There are a lot of great and awful companies. Let me put in a controversial response. A lot of people will disagree with me, but I think that for a company that espouses high ethical standards, Google is actually pretty disappointing. They talk the talk, and a lot of people follow it, but they don't really walk the ethical walk.

But as with any large entity there is certain to be some level of corruption. So there are bad and good things with all companies.

[Sheik Rattle Enroll]

A Democracy implies that the people directly control the government. I've got nothing against people calling our government a Democratic Republic, however, even if it is somewhat inaccurate. A Democratic Republic would be a government in which the people directly elect their representatives, which is not the case here. We have representatives appointed by other representatives in many positions of government, so it's certainly not "pure and simple".

And you're calling me ignorant yet you're making assumptions as to how other people reason?

And like I said before, if you don't like the American economic system, or people expressing their views, take your own advice and leave.

[Slipknot9762]

gameshit aka gamestop

[jeffreyjrose]

Walmart.

[dtcarson]

Aren't we technically in 'Representative Republic'? I think a *pure* democracy would be bad--there would be so many ballots, and so many things on them, that it would be impossible for most people to be even remotely educated on most of them, and we'd vote so much, it would lose its percieved importance to most people.
Now, if we put in a few handicapping rules, like 'Nothing changes without X% of the VAP voting', or something, that could help.

What does Google claim to do that's 'ethical'? [I'm asking out of ignorance, I just use their website].

Think about this: John Wayne Gacy, Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez....they all worked for somebody, at some time. That doesn't make the company they worked for 'evil'.

The Atkins fad is pretty bad, but it's only worse in quantity, not quality, than every other fad diet or workout craze. It just annoys the crap out of me how prevalent it is. And yes, partof it is people looking for the quick fix. Did anyone read FoxTrot last Sunday?

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[Xevious]

Adding more fuel to the fire, here is an article on Abercrombie & Fitch. They have a large descrimination suit filed against them. Personally, for me its a toss up between them and Walmart.


http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=lawsuit+abercrombie&page=1&off set=2&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26request Id%3Dd28d3f12f98ca8a0%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26user Query%3Dlawsuit%2Babercrombie%26clickedItemURN%3Dh ttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.afjustice.com%252F%26invocat ionType%3D-%26fromPage%3DAppleTop%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_ url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.afjustice.com%2F

[Eltis]

First off, there is a reason Starbucks and Walmart kick the small businesses out.. they're BETTER than them, Starbucks has damn good coffee, Walmart has damn good prices. Secondly, thats capitilism, that's what our economy and our country was built on.. if people can't understand that, there's no reason to listen to their ramblings.

I don't know about Starbucks, but Walmart was well known for selling specific items (ie: medications) below cost and taking the temporary financial hit to put smaller competitors out of business so that they could inflate the prices later.

That is illegal, unethical, and pretty much qualifies as evil if anything does.

[Xevious]

First off, there is a reason Starbucks and Walmart kick the small businesses out.. they're BETTER than them, Starbucks has damn good coffee, Walmart has damn good prices. Secondly, thats capitilism, that's what our economy and our country was built on.. if people can't understand that, there's no reason to listen to their ramblings.

I don't know about Starbucks, but Walmart was well known for selling specific items (ie: medications) below cost and taking the temporary financial hit to put smaller competitors out of business so that they could inflate the prices later.

That is illegal, unethical, and pretty much qualifies as evil if anything does.

Walmart also has a descrimation lawsuit against them too. Apparently, women have a lot of trouble moving up the corporate ladder.

[hiccupleftovers]

First off, there is a reason Starbucks and Walmart kick the small businesses out.. they're BETTER than them, Starbucks has damn good coffee, Walmart has damn good prices. Secondly, thats capitilism, that's what our economy and our country was built on.. if people can't understand that, there's no reason to listen to their ramblings.

I don't know about Starbucks, but Walmart was well known for selling specific items (ie: medications) below cost and taking the temporary financial hit to put smaller competitors out of business so that they could inflate the prices later.

That is illegal, unethical, and pretty much qualifies as evil if anything does.

You are quite correct. They sort of did what Microsoft did to their competition.

[gamefreak]

Clear Channel. Media consolidation is one of the biggest non-violent threats that we face today.

Seconded followed closly by M$osft.

[AlbinoNinja]

Abercrombie has a huge chance (how can you advertise clothes with naked models!?!)

But The Most Evil Industry no one suggested:

Nickelodeon!!!
Seriously, when kids are bored, the watch TV (as does the rest of america), but by saturating their channel with childrens shows, Nickelodeon actually has control over what children like/don't like. Never noticed it?

By slapping little icons on an item and advertising it between their mountains of repeats, nickelodeon can sell anything to anyone. No matter how evil the item is (Ghetto Barbie Dolls, anyone?)

This affects american youth and the american culture, mostly negatively.

[TomCloud9]

Martha Stewart Co. Crazy bitch

[sying]

I can't believe no one has mentioned the evil evil Umbrella company, the damn people made a zombie virus for god sakes.

And leave Microsoft alone, at least they made the XBOX and thier logical extension XBOX LIVE (greatest online experience ever)

But, "fo" real you want evil corporation look no further than Electronic Arts, buying up every single game franchise that they can get thier hand on and bastardizing the Marvel VS series.

[Graystone]

any insurance company (health car home any type)

the creat a false sense of hope and sercuity then they dont cover everything WTF.

[Graystone]

My dear lord I want to track down the OP as well as many of the posters in this thread and just beat them down. Ok, listen closely people...

MAKING MONEY DOES NOT MAKE YOU EVIL

We live it a Capitilist economy, they have every right to make money, in fact I applaud them for doing it. Halliburton is NOT evil, MS is NOT evil, Bill Gates is not Satan.. in fact you should look up to him as a capitilist hero. Goddamn hippy uneducated socialists piss me the shaq-fu off.

If you don't like capitalism, move to China you pantywaist "non-conformist" hippy communists.

has nothing to do with making money but here in america corporations say that they will help our schools and create new american jobs and give back to the community. which all do not, they end up starting a factory in america after 5 years close it and move overseas. it is not the peoples over seas fault. it is dirty american companys.

[vanlandw]

SBC...don't even get me started with them...ugh

[hiccupleftovers]

any insurance company (health car home any type)

the creat a false sense of hope and sercuity then they dont cover everything WTF.

I can't believe that I didn't think of this one. I totally second this one, they are some of the most evil companies out there3. You pay them everyone month, though nothing is wrong, but once something happens, god forbid an illness or car wreck or something, they don't want to pay or if they do it is only for two days or something very meager.

[Xevious]

SBC...don't even get me started with them...ugh

I dont own a cell phone but I always hear complaints about cell phone companies. I'm suprised no one mentioned any here.

[AlbinoNinja]

we can't forget they make things more confusing than it needs to be.

as for the capitalist, making money does not make you evil thing, I totally agree, what I believe labels a company as evil is a scheme they use which does not help the workers, or the world, or the consumers, but just do it to help ceos, no really great reason, fear of competition, attention, etc.

I think we can all agree, that makes a company evil.

[WarrenGekko]

The most evil company is the marketing companies that continue to spam me

[Lootr2Core]

the Tony Soprano crime syndicate,

any mob 'family' with the murder, extortion, money laundering, drug dealing etc. those are EVIL companies.

plus they don't really pay income taxes/

[magilacudy]

the Tony Soprano crime syndicate,

any mob 'family' with the murder, extortion, money laundering, drug dealing etc. those are EVIL companies.

plus they don't really pay income taxes/

What are you talking about? There is no crime syndicate or mob. Tony's into waste management. :)

[Lootr2Core]

the Tony Soprano crime syndicate,

any mob 'family' with the murder, extortion, money laundering, drug dealing etc. those are EVIL companies.

plus they don't really pay income taxes/

What are you talking about? There is no crime syndicate or mob. Tony's into waste management. :)


oh crap, I think I just blew my cover in the witness protection program... I better split...

:shock:

[kaw]

If you would have looked at the link before calling someone a dumbass you would have seen that KFC is in hot water now for cruelty to animals.

A. You can't be cruel to animals, they're animals

B. Simply by posting that asinine article about them saying they're atkins friendly as proof of them being evil.. that equates to dumbass.

edit - C. The other article is about certain employees at a supplier of KFC (not KFC) being cruel to animals. So sure, we'll say those few employees at a chicken processing plant that supply KFC are evil.. but someone explain the leap of logic that takes that to mean KFC is evil.

You can't be cruel to animals? If anyone deserves to be called a "dumbass" in this thread, it's you, for that abhorrent comment.

[ww3676]

Well, to answer the original topic, I'd say the most evil corporations in america would be: Walmart, Best Buy, ADT, Verizon and Exxon. Not necessarily in that order.

[AlbinoNinja]

The most evil company is the marketing companies that continue to spam me

you bring up a very good point. Whoever invented spam and pop ups ranks up there with the Colombian Drug Cartel and Satan's Pool Supplies

[Cracka]

any restaurant that sells food that has strips of meat in it, and they arent really sure what kinda meat it is...... I"M LOOKIN AT YOU, LOCAL CHINESE BUFFET PLACE!

[Anonymous]

HEB, Sams Club and Walmart

[judyjudyjudy]

My vote is for ComCast, for telling me they're going to upgrade the lines in my neighborhood next month every month and providing their services at high prices (cable nazis).

[leperlover]

Toys R-Us. The employees seem like they do coke in the back or something

[Duo_Maxwell]

My vote is for ComCast, for telling me they're going to upgrade the lines in my neighborhood next month every month and providing their services at high prices (cable nazis).

Yeah Comcast totally sucks, so does Insight. Damn cable companies think they run the world.

[Vthornheart]

You're missing the king of them all: De Beers.

A few not-so-well-known facts for you:

* Diamonds are not even close to being the world's most rare jewel. They are not even considered to be in the category of rarity. Emeralds, Rubies, and most other well-known jewels are more rare by several orders of magnitude. However, Diamonds cost more, all because of DeBeers. They hold a global monopoly on the product.

* Unlike Microsoft and other companies cited for being monopolies, this one is not only a Monopoly but uses its status in the way that we fear those other companies would. They control the entire supply and only release a limited amount. If they release enough that the price might drop, they force a buyback so that it raises up to prior prices. All this happens while the price of Diamonds would be far, far less than it actually is if it was controlled by multiple competing companies.

* Strongarm techniques used by DeBeers to gain control of mining sites are well known. Families have been threatened with murder and rape, and on some occasions the threat has been carried out. Either way, DeBeers gains control of the mine one way or another.

* DeBeers was seen as such an unhealthy and immoral organization that they weren't allowed to trade in the United States (!!!). They did business in the U.S. through subsidiaries and trade partners, and did advertising in the U.S. however to keep the demand for diamonds up. They are being let in again however after paying a 10$ million price fixing fine (Only ten million for decades of diamond price fixing??? Jeez...)

For information on the business side of De Beers' evil plans, go here:

http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~lcabral/teaching/debeers3.pdf

[DrunkTigerWoods]

Viacom - they own everything.