Big Daddy Cool's wrestling topic

[Zenithian Legend]

Say hello to "Big Sexy" Kevin Nash.

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Though questionable as a booker, and certainly not the best wrestler these days, Kevin Nash of the 90s was just too sweeeeeeeeeeeet!

Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_nash)
OWW (http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/profiles/k/kevin-nash.html)

I can recall Nash breaking into the WWF as Shawn Michaels silent bodyguard. He was called Big Daddy Cool Diesel, and it wouldn't take too long before he finally stepped in the ring. Diesel then began a Hogan-like reign of domination through the WWF. Within a year he had won the IC Title (beating good friend Scott Hall), the Tag Titles (with good friend Shawn Michaels) and in November of 94, he won the World title, beating Bob Backlund in a mere 8 seconds. A record that still stands to this day as the shortest WWE World Championship match ever.

Nash would hold that belt until November '95, when he dropped it to Bret Hart. Nash remained in the title picture until his WWE departure in May of '96 for WCW.

Nash's time in WCW is well documented. From the most successful angle in wrestling history, teaming with Hall & Hogan to form the NWO, to some of the worst angles in WCW history, such as the "finger poke of doom", booked by Nash himself. During that time Nash held the WCW Tag titles 7 times, and the WCW World Championship on 4 separate occasions.

Nash's return to the WWE, was far less successful. He immediately injured himself, and although he would return to headline a few ppvs with good friend HHH, he never returned to his Diesel form. Today, Nash is in TNA, where he acts primarily as a manager in the X-Division.

So, how will Kevin Nash be remembered when his career is all said and done? A promising career, marred by chronic injuries to his knees, that prevented him from ever having another extended title reign. His notorious backstage politics, and involvement with The Kliq have left many with a lower opinion of Kevin Nash. Still you can't take away how great the NWO angle was, and how dominating Nash was during his first WWE title run as Diesel. His title reign remains the most recent title reign longer than John Cena's current title reign.

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[Sporadic]

Ahhhhh My Quads!

[Genocidal]

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Big Stevie Cool demands his well earned respect!

[mykevermin]

I like Nash, I liked Diesel, but good god almighty, I hated the "Big Daddy Cool" moniker. I don't know why, but it came off as corny as all fuck to me (even as a kid).

[Halo05]

Anyone else ever noticed that in the Firepro games that include Nash that he's a total monster? Seriously, do an 8 man Battle Royal in Firepro D and include Nash as one of the 8 men in a group of all prowrestlers. If you let the computer sim the whole match I bet you Nash will be one of the last two guys in the match.

Someone at Spike/Human was a huge Nash mark back in the day.

[Iron Clad Burrito]

I like Nash, I liked Diesel, but good god almighty, I hated the "Big Daddy Cool" moniker. I don't know why, but it came off as corny as all fuck to me (even as a kid).

See, I felt that way too. Also see Waltman, Sean: 1-2-3 Kid? X-Pac?

I liked it when he was Six (or whichever variant spelling), though that didn't really help him get over with me, either.

[Matt Young]

Kurt Angle is so awesome.

[mykevermin]

The Angle stuff is goofy. It makes him look like a bad actor and not a good heel, IMO.

The Motor City Machine Guns and Triple X match, when it happens, has the potential to be fucking awesome.

[JaytheGamefan]

Jesus Christ this show has been horrible so far. Angle being a bastard is funny, but this is not the time to be doing "husband abuses wife and child" storylines.

[vrs1650]

Jesus Christ this show has been horrible so far. Angle being a bastard is funny, but this is not the time to be doing "husband abuses wife and child" storylines.

Is it ever really a good time to run those storylines.

[JaytheGamefan]

No, but this is just about the worst possible time to do them.

[guyver2077]

awesome!

[guyver2077]

Test!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JaytheGamefan]

Omg It's Andrew Martin!

[guyver2077]

The punisher!!!!

[Zen Davis]

The punisher!!!!

Wait until Marvel complains of a trademark/copyright violation.

[JaytheGamefan]

Marvel makes TNA's figures - I doubt they'll go after TNA. Good God that was a horrid show, but at least it was full of unintentional comedy.

[Punk_Raven]

Hmm... so now Angle isn't TNA"s poster boy and is abusive to his wife? Perfect.

[OnyxPrimal]

Yeah TNA wasn't that good tonight. I agree Angle being a dick to his wife and child is not in good taste... Even more so than usual. The Triple X vs Dutt and Lethal match needed a little more time.... say 5 more min. The Triple X vs the Machine Guns match has good potential, but I hate the way the confrontation between the two teams was not mentioned as they went to commercial and not when they came back. At least I can look forward to Matt Hardy on Smackdown tomorrow night.

[JaytheGamefan]

TNA's plan to have Dustin being "Platinum", who instead of quoting movies like the Oscar-based Goldust, would reference platinum-selling songs, has gone out the window, as an indy wrestler has the "Platinum" name trademarked. Impact tonight had about 18 minutes of wrestling tonight, and sure didn't seem like it given how none of it meant anything, and everything on the show was rushed. They found time to have Roode tar and feather Young but couldn't squeeze in anything for the Steiners, or anything for the compelling Storm-Rhino feud that is one of the few things in the company rooted in reality.

[Brak]

I thought impact! was pretty good, but definitely not as good as it has been the past few weeks.

Andrew "Test" Martin's debut was pretty cool, but I don't like how it felt like... too much of a debut. Like, I was half-expecting him to yell, 'roided out, "THIS IS MY DEBUT!!!!!!!"

I think all unexpected debuts should be handles like Scott Hall's WCW debut. (Not exactly, but similar.)
TNA's plan to have Dustin being "Platinum", who instead of quoting movies like the Oscar-based Goldust, would reference platinum-selling songs, has gone out the window, as an indy wrestler has the "Platinum" name trademarked.
Platinumdust?

[Zenithian Legend]

TNA's plan to have Dustin being "Platinum", who instead of quoting movies like the Oscar-based Goldust, would reference platinum-selling songs, has gone out the window, as an indy wrestler has the "Platinum" name trademarked. Impact tonight had about 18 minutes of wrestling tonight, and sure didn't seem like it given how none of it meant anything, and everything on the show was rushed. They found time to have Roode tar and feather Young but couldn't squeeze in anything for the Steiners, or anything for the compelling Storm-Rhino feud that is one of the few things in the company rooted in reality.

Not including the main event, I'd wager Raw had right around 18 their damn selves, and they have 2 hours and 5-10 minutes to play with.

[JJSP]

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[JaytheGamefan]

Not including the main event, I'd wager Raw had right around 18 their damn selves, and they have 2 hours and 5-10 minutes to play with.

Raw has had shows with that little wrestling on it, but this past week's wasn't one of them (it had about 40 minutes). I don't usually pay attention to how much time is spent with matches on a show as long as what was presented was either good or felt satisfactory, but that wasn't the case with Impact tonight. The wrestling was completely secondary to the storylines, which isn't a good thing for a company that says "WE ARE WRESTLING" and has featured long, eventful matches on a regular basis on TV before.

[Brak]

Raw has had shows with that little wrestling on it, but this past week's wasn't one of them. I don't usually pay attention to how much time is spent with matches on a show as long as what was presented felt satisfactory, but that wasn't the case with Impact tonight. The wrestling was completely secondary to the storylines, which isn't a good thing for a company that says "WE ARE WRESTLING".
You've been shitting on TNA a lot lately.

The past few weeks have been sole wrestling -- one of those nights being one, entire match.

They only have one hour to work with - which is difficult in developing stories and spreading time for them - and they tape four impacts! in one night, so you have to take those things into consideration.

[Zenithian Legend]

Lets loose, to say the least. The following recap of The Iron Sheik (http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/5615#) on Howard Stern this morning comes from Mark's Friggin' Website and is heavily edited from the original. It's safe to say, this recap makes Sheik seem somewhat normal. The WWE (http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/5615#) Hall of Famer also participated in a game of Anal Ring Toss, which can't be posted on this particular site because its too explicit. But business as usual, The Iron Sheik was just up to his usual stuff. Anyway, here's the recap:

- The Iron Sheik Visits. 08/02/07. 8:25am
Howard came back a short time later and said that it was time to bring in the Iron Sheik whose clips they have been listening to quite a bit lately. He said that Sheik has been waiting for over an hour out in the green room. He then had the guys bring in The Iron Sheik. Sheik came in and said it was a pleasure to be there today. He thanked Howard for inviting him in. Howard had him put on his headphones so he could hear what was going on and then told him how his grandfather worshiped the Iron Sheik. He said he'd be so proud of him if he knew he got to meet him. Howard said that this is two legends meeting this morning. Sheik told Howard about this medal he brought in with him. He wanted him to read it so Howard read it and it was something from 1971. He said that he came over to this country back then after being the Shah of Iran's body guard.

Howard asked Sheik who discovered him here in the States. He said it was Vince McMahon (http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/5615#). Howard said he thinks that Vince McMahon has forgotten about Sheik and wondered if he's still on the payroll. Sheik told him that's a great question. He then started getting worked up and telling Howard that he sold out shows in Pontiac, Michigan and things like that. Then Howard asked him about Hulk Hogan (http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/5615#) and why he's still involved with wrestling. Sheik said he should be there right along with Hulk. He said that Hulk was a weight lifter and he told people not to use drugs so he wondered what the heck he was doing. Sheik was all over the place talking about the wrestling stuff and calling people homosexuals. He said that Hulk is a one, to him. He said that someone asked him to break Hulk's legs one time but he didn't do it because he's twice the man that he is. He said that he's not jealous of Hulk's money but he does get mad when he thinks back to the days when he was acting like a phony. He said that hulk told him he ''owed him one'' one time but never did anything for him. Howard was trying to get Sheik all worked up asking him why he's not part of the wrestling scene now. He used to be huge in the wrestling scene and now he's been forgotten. Sheik said that's true and went off on Hulk again. He said that he's a gold digger. He explained how he had left the WWE and went to other wrestling leagues.

Howard told Sheik that they found this new guy Iron Sheik Jr. (Artie) so he put him on the mic and let Artie try to get Sheik worked up. Artie did his impression of Sheik and went off on him as if he were the real Sheik. Sheik started to go off on him like battling Sheiks. Artie was talking over him and not letting him get a word in. Howard told Sheik that Sheik Jr. was getting $2 million from Vince McMahon to do his thing. Sheik told Artie to come in and show himself if he's man enough. He told him he was going to break his back to make him humble. Sheik told Sheik Jr. that talk is cheap and he should show himself. Howard had to get rid of Artie to calm everyone down. Sheik was out of breath from yelling. He said he was all excited over that and that's why he was all out of breath. Howard told Sheik that Sheik Jr. had been signed on for $2 million and that was just wrong. Sheik asked for a cold beer and said that the guy got him all excited and if he was there, he'd put him in the camel clutch. Howard told Sheik that he had Ultimate Warrior (http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/5615#) live via satellite for him. It was actually Richard Christy doing an impression of Ultimate Warrior. He told Sheik that he'd beat his butt. That got Sheik all worked up again and he was telling Warrior that he was a homosexual for shaving his chest. He was ready to wrestle the guy but Howard got rid of him and said ''screw that guy'' and moved on to the next guy. Howard said they had Randy ''Macho Man'' Savage live via satellite as well. Sheik went off on him before they even put him up. Sheik called him a cheap, SOB.. Sal was playing the part of Randy and called Sheik some names and told him he was ready to wrestle him. Sheik told him he was a SOB a few times and yelled at him for a couple of minutes. Sal was throwing out as many racist comments as he could. Howard let ''Randy'' go and talked to Sheik about what a great performer he is. Sheik told him he's right and he should have been treated that way. He's broke now though. Howard asked him about Andre the Giant (http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/5615#). Sheik said he was a piece of crap too. He went off on him for a short time calling him names and goofing on him.

Oh that crazy Sheik, pity WWE didn't give him his segment.

[Scorch]

BDC! Suh-weeeeet.

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[CouRageouS]

BDC! Suh-weeeeet.

Celebrate BDC by buying the Outsiders 2 pack from wrestlingfigures.com! (http://www.ringsidecollectibles.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=R&Product_Code=EX-026&Category_Code=AF)

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Jerry Lynn and Dean Malenko are not the Outsiders! :lol:

[Scorch]

Jerry Lynn and Dean Malenko are not the Outsiders! :lol:
:rofl: nice!

[JaytheGamefan]

You've been shitting on TNA a lot lately.

The past few weeks have been sole wrestling -- one of those nights being one, entire match.

They only have one hour to work with - which is difficult in developing stories and spreading time for them - and they tape four impacts! in one night, so you have to take those things into consideration.
Yes, I've shit on TNA a lot lately, but I've also given them credit when I felt it's been due. Since May, they've usually been a reliable source of weekly wrestling, with one Impact broadcast having three matches on it that I considered to be either good or really good - it was a show that played to TNA's strengths, and made great use of their roster.

I don't think tonight was one of those shows, and I wasn't all that happy about the show-long title match because of how disjointed it became due to the run-ins and cuts backstage that took up the whole screen and made it impossible to follow the match all that well - a feeling that I've seen echoed by folks at the tapings, who said the match was far better live than it was on TV due to those problems. It was still a very good match, but not one that made me say "WOW, that was incredible!" after a show, like say... the Joe-Daniels TNA Special match that opened joined in progress, or the Storm-Harris Impact bloodbath, or the Rhino-Christian steel cage match, or even the AJ Styles-Kid Kash match from an FSN Impact.

TNA usually tapes two Impacts, not four, in one taping night, and plenty of companies have made due with only one hour of TV a week - that alone isn't a valid excuse for a sub-par one hour show.

[Demolition Man]

I'd have to say this was a below average Impact this week myself. The wrestling was okayish - nothing to write home about but nothing bad either. I could of done without the whole Jerry Springer-esque stuff between Kurt Angle, his wife, and Samoa Joe. Talk about yet another way TNA is going to kill and bury their fued.

And sadly from the spoilers it continues into next week too....

[Punk_Raven]

mykevermin, were you fond of Big Sexy?

[JaytheGamefan]

Some potentially great news - Shelly Martinez is in talks to do some solo porn shoots with Jewel De'Nyle's company. Apparently, they'll be themed, like her past nude video shoots, but more explicit.

Raw's revised rating is a 2.9 - not as bad as the original, but still quite below WWE's average for the year.

[onetrackmind]

Some potentially great news - Shelly Martinez is in talks to do some solo porn shoots with Jewel De'Nyle's company. Apparently, they'll be themed, like her past nude video shoots, but more explicit.

Raw's revised rating is a 2.9 - not as bad as the original, but still quite below WWE's average for the year.


I'm interested to see if she still has those dinnerplate nipples or if they got fixed.

[Zen Davis]

Nice pix JJSP! Thanks!

Apparently Vince may be making a return to try and do a turnaround on those ratings.

[mykevermin]

Nice pix JJSP! Thanks!

Apparently Vince may be making a return to try and do a turnaround on those ratings.

Indeed; that picture of Necro Butcher is excellent.

Rumors swirl that Vince is encouraging "outside the box" thinking in order to boost ratings; that's rather fascinating, since one would expect that he would ride out the low ratings until Triple H and Rey Mysterio return, hoping they would boost ratings.

Personally, I don't expect anything really notable changing. Cena will still be the champ, muscleheads will still be pushed, and wrestling matches will still, by and large, be 3-5 minutes of overcooked nonsense. I often wonder if WWE really needs to do what the IWC says (go back to wrestling, let wrestlers shine on their own, push smaller guys, and ditch scriptwriting for promos) in order to thrive again, or if it's something else (I often think the three shows need substantial format changes - the backstage segments, in-ring rambling promos, and hyper-fast 4-week title feuds).

In the end, I think, anyone expecting dramatic changes for the better on WWE programming is a goddamned fool, myself included. Take a look at how Vince reacted to the fans' reaction to ECW. He ditched Hammerstein ballroom and ECW Arena as shows, put them touring with Smackdown in order to make it a more mainstream crowd, and essentially took away everything "ECW" except the name. The crowd didn't react the way he wanted them too, so he acted like a petulant child, grabbing up his toys and yelling "MINE! MINE! MINE!" before running home sobbing.

ECW is the perfect reminder that none of us will see anything groundbreaking happen on WWE programming. Instead, we'll see pseudo-controversial angles and bullshit ex-celebrities. Instead of letting Paul London wrestle like he can, and amaze the crowd, we'll have Mario Batali and Bob Barker in a tag match against Umaga and Stephanie McMahon.

EDIT: One crucial change is to keep title-feuding guys away from each other, at least in matches. So, guess what? CM Punk is wrestling Johnny Nitro at SummerSlam for the ECW title! Whoopee Doo! Hasn't CM Punk already lost 2 or more times (on television, no less) to Nitro in the past month? Why would I want to pay to see him in a title match that's no been rendered meaningless by the number of times they've fought in 2 months? There's no mystique to that match, because it's already happened too many times recently; nobody will pay money to watch that (and even if Punk wins, it's meaningless because Nitro would then have 3 or 4 wins over Punk to Punk's 1). It's a recipe for failure, yet many, many feuds are just like this (see also Angle/Joe).

[Punk_Raven]

The idea is to have the face keep losing until he can finally rise up.

Oh, and as far as ECW goes, you can never completely please a smark crowd. I don't even know why they tried. Mcmahon realized this, picked up his ball, and took it elsewhere. To a crowd who doesn't complain about everything. This helps especially on the tapings or the ppvs. *ahem* Fire Russo *ahem*

[mykevermin]

The idea is to have the face keep losing until he can finally rise up.

That's working for Stevie Richards right now. NOT for a main eventer; while feuds can go on for several matches (esp. given a cheating heel retaining), to do it in such rapid succession is absurd. 4 matches+ in 2 months? So what if he wins a title now - probability means it was bound to happen.

One person's "finally rise up" is another's "this sucker gets ANOTHER shot!?!?! jeez!"

I see your point to a degree, but not entirely. Look at it this way: will it matter if Kevin Thorn beats Stevie Richards in 2-3 weeks? Stevie will surely pin him again, and then, finally, Thorn will get his "reciept" in the form of a single pin. It will mean nothing. Like playing SFII online, I will eventually beat someone else - but if it takes me 15+ matches to finally score a win, so fuckin' what? I'm knee deep in losses by then, so it's a Pyrrhic victory at best.

Oh, and as far as ECW goes, you can never completely please a smark crowd. I don't even know why they tried. Mcmahon realized this, picked up his ball, and took it elsewhere. To a crowd who doesn't complain about everything. This helps especially on the tapings or the ppvs. *ahem* Fire Russo *ahem*

Yes, but smarks (1) spend LOTS of money on wrestling and (2) will never stop watching wrestling. You're right, they are thankless bastards who are always demanding and rarely appreciative. But, the difference is, McMahon took his show to a crowd that's stopped coming, to a large degree. ECW's ratings will probably continue to fall at this rate, and bottom out around 0.8 - which Sci Fi won't be happy about. So, the question is, do you intentionally let a program stagnate to the point where it gets cancelled, or do you let the smart marks have one hour of programming per week, and let the show thrive around 1.0-1.5 every week?

As a means on comparison, IIRC, Raw's ratings right now (mid-high 2's) are *precisely* where WCW Nitro was when it was canned. ECW is right where Thunder was when it was canned. Now, I'm no fool; I don't think WWE programming is going anywhere. But, they're knee deep in shit right now, and if they continue to run away from the one fan base that will never leave them, sooner or later they'll find that's all they have left.

[Punk_Raven]

Supposedly McMahon is trying to make things change. Word backstage is that he found out that writers were just writing to please him. Also, supposedly the wirters are stressed out. I'm not one to say that they should get fired, but we need new writers.

Also, you guys should hope TNA doens't start ****ing up, seeing as WWE is getting closer to their ball park.

Oh, and that was a lowest raw rating since October 97 supposedly, but there's no WCW. Which is sad.

Maybe he might call up Paul E. ?

[mykevermin]

Maybe he might call up Paul E. ?

:rofl:

[tangytangerine]

Apparently Vince may be making a return to try and do a turnaround on those ratings.

Wonder how they'll explain his return. I can just hear J.R. now, "uh, I guess he didn't die when the limo exploded".

Something I didn't catch until reading the wrestling news. I guess the reason Ashley was "suspended" was to go off and do a Survivor show. But she's already been booted off the show.

[Demolition Man]

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Awesome highlight video of Angle vs Joe.

[Halo05]

I don't think they'll address Vince's exploding limo. That got kind of buried after the whole Benoit thing.

And "Boo!" at the Survivor spoiler! It's my TV guilty pleasure thanks to my fiancee's relentless watching of the show.

[moonknight25]

Damn I see why Angle's wife was a stripper! Karen is hot :) I love the new ego driven Angle!

[GuilewasNK]

Damn I see why Angle's wife was a stripper! Karen is hot :) I love the new ego driven Angle!

Googling Karen Angle now...

[Zenithian Legend]

Wonder how they'll explain his return. I can just hear J.R. now, "uh, I guess he didn't die when the limo exploded".

Something I didn't catch until reading the wrestling news. I guess the reason Ashley was "suspended" was to go off and do a Survivor show. But she's already been booted off the show.

The show has finished filming, so everyone has been booted off. So, you can *look forward* to seeing Ashley again soon. Probably on Raw too, for no reason other than it's WWE. Hell, she'll probably bring the diva search back with her too... just pile it on!

[Genocidal]

Word around the office is that they (they being whoever does Survivor) didn't want Ashley to be back on TV until Survivor was done airing early next year.

[JJSP]

Thanks Zen and Myke. I had a bunch of better shots from the Necro/Dragon match, but some fat dude who was acting as ring security kept getting in my way. Not too shabby for a little Sony digital. I've got a few videos I've taken from past shows as well as this one I'm in the process of uploading to YouTube.

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I'm headed to BOLA, so I'll definitely have more from PWG. If I can figure out how to rip things from DVD's, I'll try and post up some matches from the little indie fed that could.

[Zen Davis]

JJSP - is that Roderick Strong in top picture? Who is he facing?

Apparently Jimmy Rave asked for his release from his Ring of Honor contract last Friday and got it granted. I expect he will show up in TNA or WWE very soon.

[mykevermin]

ugh. Rave is the next X-Pac. He looks like a 9th grader in 1991, his wrestling is merely average, his promos - well, there's a reason he relied on Prince Nana for so long - , and he's got nothing going for him aside from the most inexplicable heat I've ever seen in pro wrestling. People HATE him, and it doesn't seem like X-Pac heat either. It's more a "this guy really gets pissed if you throw toilet paper at him, so let's do it!" thing. He gets great heat, but I'll be damned if I ever understand why.

[JJSP]

Roderick and PAC (in the air) were PWG Tag Team Champions. They lost the belt that night to Generico and Steen, setting up El Steenerico against The Briscoes in PWG sometime soon.

[Zen Davis]

Roderick and PAC (in the air) were PWG Tag Team Champions. They lost the belt that night to Generico and Steen, setting up El Steenerico against The Briscoes in PWG sometime soon.

How was PAC? I've heard good things.

ugh. Rave is the next X-Pac. He looks like a 9th grader in 1991, his wrestling is merely average, his promos - well, there's a reason he relied on Prince Nana for so long - , and he's got nothing going for him aside from the most inexplicable heat I've ever seen in pro wrestling. People HATE him, and it doesn't seem like X-Pac heat either. It's more a "this guy really gets pissed if you throw toilet paper at him, so let's do it!" thing. He gets great heat, but I'll be damned if I ever understand why.

Mostly because he comes across as a pretty boy bitch. Like Randy Orton, except a much bigger douchebag.

I will say that his House of the Rising Sun theme was a stroke of brilliance and was one of the main reasons he got the reaction he did at ROH shows. When that music hit, it felt like a star was walking through the ropes. If he keeps the theme, which I know he won't, I could see him getting the same heat he got in ROH.

He is the only guy other than The Rock who I've heard 'Die **** Die!" chants aimed at. After the new theme, he kind of got treated like a Tweener, even if some people still shit all over him.

I remember seeing him live in Edison back in February in a match with Nigel and in the middle of an armlock just up and puking in the middle of the ring for absolutely no reason. That was some weird shit...

[JJSP]

PAC was excellent. Everyone compares him to Jack Evans, which I guess is fair, except for that PAC actually sells moves and makes them look believable instead of Evans and his Gumby routine. Jack is always fun live just because there's a believable chance he'll end up breaking his neck, but his style exposes him as a one-trick pony.

Apparently Jimmy Rave asked for his release from ROH after being injured in the ring AGAIN. PWInsider is reporting he's nursing an ear injury that could put him out of action for awhile.

[mikeohara]

I'm watching a lot more of the Indies now after buying the Respect is Earned PPV last month. I'm really digging a few of the ROH folks (Briscoes, McGuinness, and El Generico) and how they perform versus stuff like WWE/TNA.

Also, wasn't it Jimmy Rave that was supposed to get a title shot against Morishima at the next ROH PPV that was gonna be taped and that was gonna air in September??

[mykevermin]

I was watching the James Bond movie "You Only Live Twice" this morning, and noticed (thanks to IMDB) that the Samoan lookin' car driver Bond fights in the Osato building is "High Chief" Peter Maivia. Knowing that now, holy crap does he look like The Rock. Also, he was the fight scene coordinator for the film, and relative to other fight scenes of the era, I must say this one was excellent.

[tangytangerine]

Kept changing channels between watching Smackdown & playing Onimusha 3. From what I saw, that was a crappy Smackdown. I'm guessing they added that "McMahon returns with a vengeance" ticker after Cole & JBL did commentary in studio. Because they made no mention of it during the tag match.

One thing I'm hoping they do with Raw is get rid of Coach as interim GM. Hasn't he been interim GM since WM? I don't care if it's Shane McMahon that's the new GM, just someone that isn't boring to listen to.

[OnyxPrimal]

Kept changing channels between watching Smackdown & playing Onimusha 3. From what I saw, that was a crappy Smackdown. I'm guessing they added that "McMahon returns with a vengeance" ticker after Cole & JBL did commentary in studio. Because they made no mention of it during the tag match.

One thing I'm hoping they do with Raw is get rid of Coach as interim GM. Hasn't he been interim GM since WM? I don't care if it's Shane McMahon that's the new GM, just someone that isn't boring to listen to.


I liked it when Regal filled in a few weeks ago for Coach. I don't know what it is about Regal, but he is perfect in a GM role. Regal is all around awesome.

[Mr. Beef]

I highly enjoyed the time years ago when Regal was the regular GM (or was it commisioner?). When e replaced Coach a few weeks back, I got excited because I thought it was permanent. I wonder why they would want to keep Coach, other than the fact that people hate him?

[mykevermin]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VHHLL825

It's Saturday, and that means it's time for this week's OVW TV!

[JaytheGamefan]

Saturday Observer site news update - http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/....asp?aID=20358

SD did its usual 2.6 overnight rating, and was #1 among all networks in the 18-49 age group. TNA is in talks with Konnan to return - it will likely not happen. Ever. AJ Styles will be working for Booker's PWA fed on the 31st of August, facing Joey Mercury. Lawler's working house shows against Booker over the weekend.

Fight Network column on wrestling losing its hardcore fans, and Slammiversary being projected at having 12-15,000 buys - http://www.thefightnetwork.com/news_detail.php?nid=4462

[D_Icon]

This is deep. I just saw the video.
Sid Vicious' brocken leg.

I was reading on how he wants to make a comeback with the WWE. Did he leave the WWE in bad terms? I would like to see him on tv again.

Sid Vicious vs Batista would be good.
but if they did take him in I hope they wouldn't make him a monster like Snitsky.

[JaytheGamefan]

Sid vs. Batista doesn't sound "good", entertaining, yes, but not good. Sid's in his 40s and has always been best-pushed as a monster - why not have him do squashes? He's one of the best ever at them.

Here's the Sid vs. Batista match I did in NM - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLZwI5AYqcM

[Demolition Man]

TNA is in talks with Konnan to return - it will likely not happen. Ever.

If TNA suddenly decides to pay for his kidney replacement then perhaps he might. Honestly I can see both sides of the issue - TNA isn't responsible for his past alcohol/drug issues that lead to this. But on the other hand TNA hired him and has used him fully knowing he had health issues.

Personally I think its best for PR reasons above all else that they pay for it. Given how much money they are spending on far worse things (ie: Pacman Jones, Stomper, the whole VKM angle) along with the godly amount of money they are shelling out for the likes of Kurt Angle, Scott Steiner, Christian Cage, etc.... I don't think it will hurt TNA anymore to fork over those few dollars to help Konnan. TNA can spin it around too to the public saying something to the effect of "we take care of our wrestlers health issues."

On the other hand this could give a message that its okay for the talent to waste themselves on booze and drugs because TNA might just fork over the money for whatever operations down the road they will need for the abuse they are doing by overdoing the booze and drugs.

TNA has a LOT more issues besides this to deal with right now. From needing to get an wellness standards in place to better booking/angles.... TNA isn't nearly as bad as the WWE at the moment but its far from perfect.

I'll say this much.... that ending segment on Impact has the smell of Russoism all over it. Which is something I'm afraid we'll see more and more if the ratings go up. But as of right now this week's ratings according to TNAWrestlingNews.com ended at a 1.1 which is around the average.

In other news from TNAWrestlingNews.com its reported that TNA will be going two hours by September or October. On what network is unclear given the rampant rumors of TNA talking with Fox.

Also TNA is planning on at least 96 non-TV events in 2008 alongside every PPV being outside of Orlando/Universal Studios.

[Demolition Man]

Spoiler on who attacked Abyss under the ring.... some might know this already but this is an official confirmation from the certain individual in question.....

TNAWrestlingNews.com reader Diego sent this along:

Ricky Banderas/Judas Mesias talked with 'Noti AAA' which is the blog of the AAA website about him coming to TNA.

Banderas made clear that it wasn't Konnan or Ron Killings blocking him to debut on past iMPACT tapings or that he will leave AAA now that he is in TNA. Banderas noted that his official debut will be on Sunday, August 12th, at Hard Justice with an angle making him Abyss's worst nightmare. He said he was nervous since it's a whole new fanbase he is about to experience, saying that the northamerican fans are very special. The second date pending was Monday, August 13th, on the iMPACT tapings where he will appear again tormenting Abyss. He notes that they will have photos of it on the blog that week. After that he returns to Mexico for an event.

He also mentioned he would never leave Antonio Peña's promotions since he is happy & won't disappoint them. Banderas & TNA management had a meeting to organize the dates in a way Banderas could appear in AAA & TNA.

[Demolition Man]

Source: Wrestling Observer

According to reports from fans at the Wheeling, WV house show, Santino Marella may have injured is shoulder or collarbone. Marella appeared to be injured after taking Umaga’s spinning side slam. The referee then threw up the X and Umaga went for the Spike to win the match.

Afterwards Marella was helped to the back alongside the trainer while favoring his shoulder or collarbone. No other details have emerged, we will update you when we receive new information.

[Scorch]

And yet another guy gets an injury.

[Demolition Man]

Oh that rascal Kurt Angle at it once again..... from the Iowa TNA house show.

Jeremy Borash does a TNA Today promo and says Cage vs. Angle is for the title. Cage tries to heel the crowd and they chant “YOU’RE MY HERO”. He tries harder and they chant “INSTANT CLASSIC”. Cage says we’re rude for interrupting, and that Des Moines is the asscrack of America and no good wrestlers ever came from here. Angle comes out and says “Apparently you forgot Cael Sanderson and Dan Gable. They kick ass! And I'm gonna kick YOUR ass!" Crowd did do a brief “Joe’s gonna kill you” chant before this, but he said he’d worry about that Sunday. Cage tells our side up yours after an “over here” chant - then hits an elbow to the throat and gets the crowd behind Angle. A random “F##K JOHN CENA chant starts out of nowhere. Angle hits Christian with a belly to belly suplex off the top. Angle hits Olympic Slam, but the ref's knocked out. Tomko does run in, but Angle kicks out at 2. Angle reverses the Unprettier into an Ankle lock. Christian taps out for the Angle win. Angle takes the mic and thanks Des Moines. He leads a TNA chant, then a F##K John Cena chant.

[Demolition Man]

TNA is gone from YouTube:

TNA airs Exclusively on Spike TV
Spike TV is owned by Viacom
Viacom is Suing YouTube for unauthorized Reproductions of Privately held productions IE Daily Show, Colbert Report, South Park, and various MTV Music Videos and Content.

As a whole, TNA partnered with YouTube without the consent of Spike and now that TNA Clips are becoming more viewed on the net, it can be assumed it is hurting the Broadcast of the TNA on Spike. Also, Spike maybe pulling the plug due to talks with of leaving the network. Some footage can be seen on the Spike TV website but it's through their own broadcast tools and not run through YouTube.

Daily Show and Colbert Report and South Park Clips are removed from there as well and are removed Daily.

[Mr. Beef]

Oh no, Santino's injured. :/

[CaseyRyback]

I hope that injury means he can come back repackaged as Boris Alexiev in a few months.

[tangytangerine]

I hope that injury means he can come back repackaged as Boris Alexiev in a few months.

Nah, they'll probably send him back to OVW. They would have to admit the gimmick was bad if he came back as Alexiev.

[CaseyRyback]

Nah, they'll probably send him back to OVW. They would have to admit the gimmick was bad if he came back as Alexiev.


Hopefully they take a look at the ratings and start to realize that they need to stop being so prideful. They had a great character (I have only seen a few promos, but they were 10X better than anything he did as Marella) and they scrapped it.

[benjamouth]

Hopefully they take a look at the ratings and start to realize that they need to stop being so prideful. They had a great character (I have only seen a few promos, but they were 10X better than anything he did as Marella) and they scrapped it.

No need to worry about the ratings any more, Vince is back on Monday :applause:

Rambling promos that go on about nothing for way too long.........CHECK
Vince on Raw for at least one hour out of the 2.........CHECK
Me not watching any WWE programming from now on and actually finding something decent to watch on a Monday night.........CHECK

[mykevermin]

They made Jamal into Umaga, so turning a phony Italian into a phony Russian is possible. Not likely, though, for the foreseeable future. A damn shame, really, since he's a decent wrestler (though it's hard to see that when he gets zero offense in a match).

Come on back to Louisville!

[tangytangerine]

Wow, if I'm reading the reports right. WWE is scrambling to try to get ratings up. One thing that is on the table at the moment is to get rid of the tri-brands and merging the rosters. If it does happen, it will be announced monday night.

Man, I'm hoping it's true, there's so many shitty wrestlers that they can release if they merge the rosters and have one big storyline instead of 3 different storylines. I guess Funaki & Val Venis(and hopefully The Miz) would finally get released if it happens.

[mykevermin]

There's no goddamned difference between the shows anyway. The formats are the same, the writing is the same, the production is the same. The only thing that varies are the wrestlers, and even their matches are mostly the same.

They already merged the rosters prior to WrestleMania - there's no surprise when guys show up on other shows. The only change merging the rosters will have is making the wrestlers work more days per week, and more jobbers will disappear from TV altogether (including your beloved Stevie Richards).

I think they need to have fewer PPVs: ask yourself this: name *ONE* match from this year's No Way Out, or Backlash. Give yourself ten seconds. 20? 30?

Yeah, I thought so too. I can't remember a fucking thing that happened this year. And it is not because I'm too stupid to remember; it just isn't memorable.

[tangytangerine]

I think they need to have fewer PPVs:

Yeah, they need to ditch ONS, Cyber Sunday & New Year's Revolution. Those have done horrible buy rates the past two years and it'll bring the PPVs down to one a month. Because two a month just seems like overkill for consumers. Why pay $35 for one on the 5th when there's another one on the 29th?

The only thing I remember from this year's Backlash is McMahon became the ECW Champion & Cena made someone tap(like all his matches).

[Matt Young]

I turned on AAA. Ron Killings just cut a promo with X-Pac and the 2 are now about to wrestle in some sort of match with Headhunter 1, El Zorro, Latin Lover, and... that reptile guy from he-Man, accompanied by Yoda?

[mykevermin]

The main event of this week's AAA is very good; it's Cibernetico versus El Mesias in a dog collar match.

I don't know if they'll air Triple Mania XV on regular tv, but Sabu makes an appearance on that show.

[GuilewasNK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIqf2rpuVaY

[Zen Davis]

Dave Meltzer is reporting that after WWE (http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/5664#) first received the 2.5 RAW rating last week, there was serious panic at WWE headquarters. One idea that was being tossed around at the time was to combine the RAW, ECW and SmackDown (http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/5664#) rosters and do away with the tri-branded formats. Nothing will probably come of this, but the idea was being tossed around. Either way, expect WWE to somewhat start all over tomorrow night on RAW.

*shakes head*

[mykevermin]

Nice video. A pleasant reminder that cruiserweight wrestling from WCW was phenomenal.

EDIT: I don't see WWE making dramatic changes starting tomorrow. How ironic would it be that, for all the times WWE made excuses for sagging ratings trends, and made poor booking decisions based on those trends, the first time they have a *proven* measurement error in regards to the rating, they flip the fuck out and restart everything?

That's why I don't see it happening. WWE has a real excuse right now for poor ratings. Tomorrow will be the same as it ever was, but with a mild ratings increase (I predict 3.7) due to people tuning in assuming major changes.

[GuilewasNK]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003560001-2007351002,00.html

WRESTLING legend Hulk Hogan has lashed out at the industry which made him a megastar.

And he has demanded an end to the decades-long cover-up of steroid abuse in the sport.

Hogan, 54, took the muscle-enhancing drugs almost daily for 16 years during his career and says he can spot a user a mile off.

With more than 100 grapplers dying before the age of 50 in the last decade, he is begging others to face up to the crisis.

The Sun has been leading an anti-steroid abuse campaign since wrestler Chris Benoit murdered his wife and seven-year-old son before committing suicide in June.

A handful of former stars have already spoken out and prompted US politicians to start investigating the industry.

But many in the WWE, the world's biggest fight franchise, deny there is a problem and have blasted their ex-colleagues as bitter failures who haven't wrestled in years.

They cannot same the same about Hogan, wrestling's equivalent of Pele or Muhammad Ali who was fighting for them just 12 months ago.

In an exclusive Sun interview, he said: "Are steroids a problem in wrestling? Oh God yeah. They have always been a part of the business. It's prevalent.

More in the link....

[2Fast]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIqf2rpuVaY

:applause: Needed more of La Parka's dances, but great nonetheless.

Which reminds me, The Chairman of WCW needs his own topic!

[GuilewasNK]

:applause: Needed more of La Parka's dances, but great nonetheless.

Which reminds me, The Chairman of WCW needs his own topic!

Indeed!

BTW, nice to see Locutus back. :)

[goukill1120]

I was actually enjoying Santino's schtick on RAW, shame he got injured. I was laughing my ass off at the promo he was cutting before Umaga killed him. Those FUCK JOHN CENA" chants seem to break out randomly like at the Ring of Honor show at the Hammerstein during Christopher Daniels and Matt Sydal vs Aries and Strong match they were chanting that along with Cena swallows and a ton of other things.

[Purple Flames]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIqf2rpuVaY

Seeing that, I'm really saddened that I didn't watch more WCW while it was still in its prime.

[JJSP]

Seeing Hulk Hogan speak out on steroids should be a clear sign it's a problem in wrestling. I'm sure Hogan's beefed up body didn't help his knee problems that have him walking like Terry Funk while looking like Schwarzennegger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/DCt_gRF1FzI

[motorkill]

The main event of this week's AAA is very good; it's Cibernetico versus El Mesias in a dog collar match.

I don't know if they'll air Triple Mania XV on regular tv, but Sabu makes an appearance on that show.

I missed the last two matches of AAA this week, but the other matches were pretty damn good.

And to answer your question, yes all of AAA major wrestling shows do get shown here in the U.S. Triple Mania should air on Aug/18.

[Demolition Man]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gm52DnwTP7A&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh4y8Yc0NHA

[GuilewasNK]

Seeing that, I'm really saddened that I didn't watch more WCW while it was still in its prime.

From '96 to '99 WCW's cruiserweight division was THE thing I tuned in for.

[Halo05]

Seeing that, I'm really saddened that I didn't watch more WCW while it was still in its prime.

Same here. I accidently discovered ECW in 1996 and pretty much abandoned both WCW and WWE for 2-3 years.

[guyver2077]

so my ny trip got postponed.. theres a slight chance i will be out there next week.. too bad tix for raw are sold out

[Zen Davis]

so my ny trip got postponed.. theres a slight chance i will be out there next week.. too bad tix for raw are sold out

If you're out there on the 25th, you could go to the ROH show at the Manhattan Center. They still have general admission tickets available for 15$ for another couple of days.

Danielson is going up against Morishima and there is a lot of hype that it may be a MOTYC.

http://www.rohwrestling.com/shoponline.asp?point=moreinfo&catid=163&id=886

[Brak]

I'm kind of excited to see what "changes" will be made to the WWE, tonight...

But because of how both jaded and in-tune I am, with reality, I know nothing is going to change.

[guyver2077]

If you're out there on the 25th, you could go to the ROH show at the Manhattan Center. They still have general admission tickets available for 15$ for another couple of days.

Danielson is going up against Morishima and there is a lot of hype that it may be a MOTYC.

http://www.rohwrestling.com/shoponline.asp?point=moreinfo&catid=163&id=886

cool.. i doubt i will be out there for that weekend though..

if i do find myself there next week i may just look on craigslist for tix...

[Brak]

Nice avatar, guyver. :lol:

[guyver2077]

Nice avatar, guyver. :lol:

yea i gave the old crazy stare one a break..

[Brak]

That avatar reminds me of the time Kevin Nash called "Goldberg" a 'snapping turtle'.

[guyver2077]

TNA ANNOUNCES SIGNING OF PACMAN
By: Press Release
8/6/2007 10:05:47 AM </SPAN>
(August 6, 2007) Nashville, Tenn. – Total Nonstop Action (TNA) Wrestling has signed an exclusive contract with one of pro football’s most gifted, yet controversial athletes.
Adam “Pacman” Jones joins the pro wrestling company that features U.S. Olympic gold medalist Kurt Angle and such wrestling stars as Sting, Scott Steiner, Kevin Nash, Jeff Jarrett and Christian Cage.
Jones will make his first in-ring appearance on Thursday, August 9, on iMPACT!, which airs at 9 p.m. ET/PT on Spike TV. He is scheduled to appear on TNA’s “Hard Justice”pay-per-view (http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29601#) on Sunday, August 12, from Universal Studios in Orlando, Fla., to reveal his plans for the season. Terms of the contract were not disclosed.

[Brak]

Why?

[guyver2077]

want to learn how to wrestle like the best...

http://www.team3dacademy.com/

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- Lunch with Brother Ray at the Dudley Eat All buffet

[mykevermin]

Dudley Eat All buffet

:shock:

I found a preliminary sketch of the buffet layout:

http://www.napoleonohio.cc/Oakwood%20Football%20Field%20-%20Oct.%2004%20003.jpg

As for Pacman...christ almighty. What a blunder in the making.

[guyver2077]

lol

[Punk_Raven]

Finally. Someone who's actually been somewhere is making a wreslting school instead of a bunch of nobodies teaching newer wrestlers how to be nobodies.

[JJSP]

Of all of the teams in wrestling I'd like to see start a wrestling school, The Dudleys would not be one of them. Learning the finer points of "getting the tables" and "eating" does not make you a better wrestler. Sounds like the equivalent of attending the Randy Orton Wrestling Academy to learn how to put together a match.

"Class, today we'll learn the most important part of a wrestling match - the rest hold. I'll show you my personal favorite, the headlock, which is fantastic for helping wear down opponents and showing off your sweet tribal tattoos."

Strike Force? Definitely. Team 3D? I'll pass.

[benjamouth]

Sounds like the equivalent of attending the Randy Orton Wrestling Academy to learn how to put together a match.

"Class, today we'll learn the most important part of a wrestling match - the rest hold. I'll show you my personal favorite, the headlock, which is fantastic for helping wear down opponents and showing off your sweet tribal tattoos."

:D

"Now class, when smashing up a hotel room, the thing to remember is start with the fittings that will make the minimum of noise when broken, that way it will take the Hotel staff longer to realise there's a problem."

[tangytangerine]

Well, judging from the stories, we'll be seeing 1 of 2 things tonight.

1) The brands & rosters will merge

or

2) They will continue the "McMahon survived a exploding limo" storyline. Then Mr. Kennedy will be added to that storyline.

[mykevermin]

Test comments on his TNA debut:

"So I guess by now the cats out of the bag and as many of you know, I took my ball to TNA. I never wanted to decieve any of you, trust me I was excited about going but it was something that we tried to make a secret. You have to admit in this day and age that's hard to do, I mean you guys usually know before I do what's going on. It's not that I want to keep secrets from my fans but don't you guys just miss the old way of a good old fashioned surprise in wrestling? Remember when a WWF guy would show up on WCW and vice versa, it made the show always more exciting no matter what or who it was. Remember seeing Lex luger on Raw and Nitro, the same night?...that was a great surprise. I have to thank all you guys...i have never recieved so many positive messages and reactions from you guys about my decision to join TNA and I want to thankyou for that. I also want to make the fans that were at the Impact Zone in Orlando for the greatest reaction I can ever remember getting in wrestling. Most of all I want to thank everyone at TNA for making me realize why I wanted to be a wrestler in the first place!! Something that had been beaten out out of me by years of politics, ass kissing, back stabbing, empty promises that never came, having to liten to "Vinces YES men" because everyone there doesn't want to rock the boat...Thankyou for making me realize that I wanted to be a wrestler because it'....FUN!! and I had forgotten how much fun you can have. I know TNA stands for Total nonstop Action but I learned last night it also stands for Totally NO Assholes!! I want to thank everyone for making me feel right at home right away and seeing first hand what a wrestling company really should be. I'm not here to bash any other companies...I have no regrets but in just one night at TNA I felt more comfortable than I did anywhere else. Everyone is so hands on and so positive. I mean I loved watching the guys watch the matches hoping that everyone had a great match, I'm so used to guys watching the monitor, cutting up the matches only to tell the guys when they got to the back "great match"...I'll be honest I didn't sleep much Sunday night. I was excited, nervous and wasn't sure what to expect but that all changed last night when all the TNA fans gave me without question one of the greatest moments of my career with your huge roar,my ears were ringing and inside I had a smile a mile long...thankyou because to be honest I was ready to walk away from wrestling and it would have been a shame because I would never have gotten to experience what a great group there is at TNA. So please tune in to watch TNA every thursday night at 9pm eastern time on spike tv and see what a great company with a group of guys and girls with all heart can accomplish...I know I had a blast!"

TNA = TOTALLY NO ASSHOLES. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070806/ENT/708060333/-1/all

Rosey is a 'nati native (Ugh. Milford? REALLY?) who is going to be on a fat camp reality TV show in the fall. A somewhat interesting read; he's trying to drop weight to get rehired by WWE.

[JaytheGamefan]

It was revealed on Observer Live last night that Konnan's body is seriously rejecting the kidney he was given, and that he'll now be on 10 days of isolated, heavy medication treatment in order to get it to take, or they'll probably have to remove the kidney, and he'll have to start the process all over again. Horrible news, but hopefully this next round of medication works, because I don't have high hopes for his health (either long or short-term) without a new kidney.

It was also revealed that ROH will have a show in the Cow Palace, alongside a wrestling reunion show with panel discussion, Q&As, and autographs from Goldberg, Angle, Austin, and other big names whose names I'm forgetting. They've gotta have one hell of a money mark to pull this off.

TNA officially announced the signing of Pacman Jones today. In another sign of their infinite wisdom, he'll be debuting on the free show they made no money on instead of on PPV, their primary source of income.

[D_Icon]

"Jim Ross On Heidenreich And RVD Comments"

What did they say about him?

[Zenithian Legend]

Uh oh... I thought Jeff was given the night off for injuries, guess he's back on the dope:

From JR's blog:

- It saddens and greatly disappoints me that Jeff Hardy will be absent from the WWE for the next month or so. Nonetheless, I am happy that Jeff isn’t suffering from a serious injury as has plagued so many wrestlers (http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/5642#) recently. The WWE could have certainly utilized Jeff’s services during these challenging times and no one can dispute the fact that Jeff’s individual popularity wasn’t building toward an all time high if it wasn’t already there. Everyone is human and as the old saying goes “to err is human” but the timing of these unfortunate circumstances are extremely untimely. The “good news” if one chooses to look for some positive in this situation is that Jeff will be back in time, as I understand it, and he will have an opportunity to still make a big impact in the WWE and then move continuously in a positive direction in his career and finally live his dream of becoming the superstar he was meant to be.

At least JR makes it seem like Jeff may get the ol' Orton treatment when he returns and not spend the rest of his contract jobbing to Carlito.

[2Fast]

Say "hey" to Lindsay Lohan for me while you're in Jeff.

[Mr. Beef]

Oh, dammit Jeff.

[Zenithian Legend]

JR is awesome:

I feel absolutely horrible about confusing Jillian and Beth and actually thought about suspending myself from TV for a week because of such a grievous, human error. However, I have seen the light, have consulted with the Reverend Billy Gibbons, and have worked diligently on recognizing big breasted, blonde women since last week. I think I have this matter in hand, so to speak. Thanks for your concern. I’m just a knucklehead.

So is Mr Kennedy, :rofl:

Before Bobby Lashley (http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/5671#) went down with his injury, he was getting some major heat in the locker room. One of Lashley's travel partners believes SmackDown Diva Kristal is messing Lashley up. Ken Kennedy even refers to Lashley as a "diva" and once referred to Steve Austin (http://www.prowrestling.com/article/news/5671#) for advice when Lashley wasn't selling to anyone in his matches during his run with John Cena

The jokes keep coming today!

In it, Anoai says he was fired by WWE due to his weight problem. WWE denies the claim but Rosey says he is going on ABC's Fat March in hopes of losing some of the pounds and being rehired by WWE. WWE publicist Jennifer McIntosh says Anoai was terminated for reasons other than weight. He had "a limited skill set as a performer, and he was not a fan favorite. He didn't connect with the audience," said McIntosh.

[JaytheGamefan]

Monday Observer site news - http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=20380

Pacman Jones' signing was in USA Today and on the front page of Yahoo. He'll be trained by Jeff Jarrett in a ring in Jones' backyard. He is set to wrestle at least once, possibly twice, but the Titans don't want him to.

I expect Impact's ratings to be up due to this signing, and possibly PPVs (which they desperately need to see an increase in). So far, they've gotten some major media coverage, which is good for getting the company's name out there.

[GuilewasNK]

Say "hey" to Lindsay Lohan for me while you're in Jeff.

:lol:

[Brak]

Lashley seems like a diva.

[Zenithian Legend]

Monday Observer site news - http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=20380

Pacman Jones' signing was in USA Today and on the front page of Yahoo. He'll be trained by Jeff Jarrett in a ring in Jones' backyard. He is set to wrestle at least once, possibly twice, but the Titans don't want him to.

I expect Impact's ratings to be up due to this signing, and possibly PPVs (which they desperately need to see an increase in). So far, they've gotten some major media coverage, which is good for getting the company's name out there.

Knock Pacman all you want, but he's drawing publicity (as you noted), despite this being negative image publicity, it is still overall good publicity as it will make people notice TNA. In the marketing industry they say that any publicity is good publicity, although I beg to differ. Bad publicity would obviously be something like the Benoit incident; this, is on a totally different "playing field" if you will. So, good for TNA, hopefully this keeps Jones out of trouble, keeps him in shape for the Titans, and draws some viewers to TNA that would not otherwise check them out.

[Foo228]

want to learn how to wrestle like the best...

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interesting..well at least they aren't putting it as Don West's INSANE DEAL OF THE DAY! haha

Well, judging from the stories, we'll be seeing 1 of 2 things tonight.

1) The brands & rosters will merge

or

2) They will continue the "McMahon survived a exploding limo" storyline. Then Mr. Kennedy will be added to that storyline.

its gunna be #2, you might as well say "...continuing the trend of disapointing storylines" :cry:

[guyver2077]

Those Superstars or fans who believed Mr. McMahon’s return to WWE would come via satellite or through an official statement were shocked when a limousine rolled up to the loading dock of the arena, and the Chairman (with all his body parts intact) nonchalantly walked out.

[mykevermin]

Who writes this shit?

(I know the answer, I just had to ask).

All signs point to Raw being no different than it ever was. I think I may head to the bar for Guitar Hero night instead.

[cdeener]

Those Superstars or fans who believed Mr. McMahon’s return to WWE would come via satellite or through an official statement were shocked when a limousine rolled up to the loading dock of the arena, and the Chairman (with all his body parts intact) nonchalantly walked out.

Thanks guyver2077 for not stating that this came from wwe.com because I was thinking that RAW came on early because of that statement.

[guyver2077]

Thanks guyver2077 for not stating that this came from wwe.com because I was thinking that RAW came on early because of that statement.

my bad... was too into tmnt

[guyver2077]

Vince!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


UH OH... EVERYONE IN THE RING

[mykevermin]

Welp, caught an "EAT SHIT CENA" sign. :lol:

[Purple Flames]

This better be good....

[JaytheGamefan]

Nothing tops "FUCK YOU CENA!" from ONS '06 (or "If Cena wins, we riot!").

[guyver2077]

O No...limo Mention

[JaytheGamefan]

Vince blew himself up to see if he was loved. Better than a month-long mystery angle. Jesus, he's going to address the Congress and the "hypocritical" news media. Yay, GM-determining battle royal. I hope Regal wins, although Umaga being GM could rule too.

[guyver2077]

congress!!!! yes......!!!

[mykevermin]

William Regal FTW!

[guyver2077]

cmon sandman

[Purple Flames]

cmon sandman

What he said.

[Sporadic]

Come on Sandman

It would be like Stone Cold being the GM but with much more beer

[Zenithian Legend]

I'd be surprised if anyone but Kennedy, Regal or Carlito won. Kennedy being my pick to win.

I'm hoping Umaga wins though, imagine what kind of GM he'd make!

[mykevermin]

JR: "Val's Libertarian plans have eroded before our very eyes this Monday night!"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Speaking of wrestling and politics, Kane is campaigning for Ron Paul alongside Barry Manilow. :lol:

EDIT: ZzZzZzZzZzZzZz. This battle royal is terrible.

[guyver2077]

Lol...

nice....

[guyver2077]

yes!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!


noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


f u regal!

here come the ratings...

[Purple Flames]

nice swerve

[Zenithian Legend]

As much as I like Regal, that was rather lame. Sandman would've been a hilarious GM, plus that was clearly what the people wanted! Regal's victory celebration was second to none though.

[Zenithian Legend]

JR: "Val's Libertarian plans have eroded before our very eyes this Monday night!"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Speaking of wrestling and politics, Kane is campaigning for Ron Paul alongside Barry Manilow. :lol:

EDIT: ZzZzZzZzZzZzZz. This battle royal is terrible.

I read about that, but figured it wouldn't be of interest to many posters here... watch out for the Big Red Libertarian!

[JaytheGamefan]

Regal's celebration is easily the best thing on the show so far. Damn, he's incredible.

[Iron Clad Burrito]

TNA ANNOUNCES SIGNING OF PACMAN


Jesus fucking wept.

[guyver2077]

crap..i want garden tickets!

[Sporadic]

They should have done a co-GM deal where Regal would play Bishoff and Sandman would be Stone Cold

[mykevermin]

I love it when McMahon goes after his opponents on TV; like he did when that pediatric journal study came out last year, like when he lampooned the Parent's Television Council via the Right to Censor (a sociologist names Kathe Lowney has a great published paper on that, BTW), and like tonight, when he went after Congress. He often does a piss-poor job of substantively going after his attackers, but it's really unnecessary when the rhetoric works to get people riled up.

It's fascinating, nevertheless, that he is publicly addressing the Congressional investigations into the wellness policy, given that the WWE has ignored drug failures and has the documentation to prove it.

Hmm.

[Brak]

Same ol' shit.

[Purple Flames]

Irs!

[kelso]

Irwin R Schyster!?!

[mykevermin]

Christ, McMahon is giving Lou Dobbs a run for his money in the "using my TV show to push my personal agenda" department tonight.

IRS! Huzzah! (what a dumbass gimmick - I liked "Captain Mike Rotundo" personally).

[Matt Young]

Mike Rotunda cameo!

[JaytheGamefan]

Vince's public meltdowns over real-life issues are hilarious, and sad. Tonight's have been no different. Regal hosting the Dating Game = awesome!

[2Fast]

This shit's still pretty boring.

[Bezerker]

I hope Orton wins the title. Cena makes me wish the Rock was still around. At least the Rock was somewhat tolerable.

[JaytheGamefan]

Cena's act has gotten much worse over the past two months, where he's been given utter shit to work with on promos, and has reverted back into doing a bunch of gay jokes while being a chickenshit babyface. There are roughly zero likeable qualities about his character now, and he's the lead face. ugh.

[guyver2077]

how annoying.. time to switch over to bonds

[guyver2077]

Lmao

[DJSteel]

it takes me days to find the new wrestling topic

[Matt Young]

SPAM! That was fucking great.

HAHAHA! Santino is great tonight!

Did he call Ron Simmons a "crip"?

[Purple Flames]

I was hoping Umaga would sqush Santino again tonight.

That never gets old.

[DJSteel]

not a bad promo/skit...

[Sporadic]

The fuck?

Another McMahon?

I hope it ends up being Stone Cold.

[guyver2077]

O Lord....

[DJSteel]

Eugene...

[Bezerker]

I hope they're not going to go back to the whole Vince being the father of Stephanie's baby angle...

[Zenithian Legend]

I have a good idea as to who Vince's child is...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/pnwalker/mid2.jpg

[Zenithian Legend]

Well Raw wasn't 100% crap tonight. All the Regal segments were highly entertaining (at least to me). Umaga's face turn is downright bizarre though. While it's funny to watch him chase around Santino "I'm in a lot of pain :lol:" Marella, watching "UmaNga" team with Cena might be too much for me to handle. This is all Jeff Hardy's fault. Although, a huge part of me believes Jeff would not have received this suspension had it not been for Congress getting into Vince's trousers.

I like the idea of Vince turning face too. He's done the negative heel thing for way too long. A positive spin on Vince's character, along with a hilarious GM in Regal could go a long way to curing what ails Raw right now.

[Zenithian Legend]

WWE has come to terms on the release of Idol Stevens as of today. We wish Idol the best in all future endeavors.

Very odd... I thought he was being pushed heavily in WWE's developmental territories. I wonder if he asked for his release to jump to TNA.

[mykevermin]

I like Idol in OVW, but I'd be lying to you if I said I thought he'd be a star anywhere. I would expect to see KC James release shortly too, as I feel the same way about him. His tag team with Cassidy James is a very 80's style southern tag team. It might work in TNA, but doubtful in WWE.

EDIT: WWE Dating Game? Good god, what a fuckin' terrible idea.

[Demolition Man]

Rumor has it that TNA Impact is going two hours starting October 4th on Spike TV.

Source: The Observer

[Francis]

Santino was hilarious, the whole dating game segment had me laughing and I freaking love William Regal, as long as he's on Raw I'll be watching.

[moonknight25]

Regal dancing after winning the battle royal had me laughing a good 5 minutes!

[Brak]

Rumor has it that TNA Impact is going two hours starting October 4th on Spike TV.

Source: The Observer
YEAH!

[tangytangerine]

That was not the way to get ratings. I'm guessing now would be a good time for me to completely tune out of WWE for a couple months. I'll catch TNA, but after last night I just can't watch this crap WWE puts out anymore.

They wasted 8 minutes on a dating game skit? Although different, it was not as funny as they made it out to be. It was basically just a way to get Ron Simmons to say something else than damn. They could've done that in the place of Snitsky's match, cause that had to the most pointless match of the night.

[CaseyRyback]

I have to agree. I turned the channel 15 minutes in.

[guyver2077]

wow.. i didnt even know snitsky was on last night..

i found a ticket for raw next week.. $200 for a floor seat.. im still contemplating...

[tangytangerine]

wow.. i didnt even know snitsky was on last night..
Squash one or two of the Highlanders. Don't know if it was one or two since I kept flipping back between that & Star Trek.

[KhaosX]

Squashed one after 2 hits.

[mykevermin]

I'm with tangy and Casey. I had to get up early this morning, so I wasn't 100% committed to Guitar Hero night at the bar. After 20 minutes of Raw, I put the shoes on, and was out the door 10 minutes later.

Rocked everyone there, save for one dude who almost took me to school on "Carry Me Home." I think this is the perfect remedy for watching Raw, which is now more a Pavlovian response than a genuine interest in the program.

[guyver2077]

i still cant believe theres such a thing as guitar hero night at a bar...

[Pure Apathy]

wow.. i didnt even know snitsky was on last night..

i found a ticket for raw next week.. $200 for a floor seat.. im still contemplating...

If Triple H returns next week it would be cool to be there, but definitely not worth $200.

[guyver2077]

If Triple H returns next week it would be cool to be there, but definitely not worth $200.

lol yea... but w.e.. i know ill be kicking myself after but its floor seats at the garden...for raw plus sat. main event

i will prob find out tomm if im even going to ny.. then hopefully the damn ticket will still be available

[Pure Apathy]

lol yea... but w.e.. i know ill be kicking myself after but its floor seats at the garden...for raw plus sat. main event

i will prob find out tomm if im even going to ny.. then hopefully the damn ticket will still be available

Might be worth it for the sat night main event as well.

[mykevermin]

Well, Raw and SNME may be worth it - it *is* wrestling's most historical building, after all. I wouldn't pay for it, but I'll bet you'll have a goddamned blast there.

[PhrostByte]

So I'm about half way into my mission/vacation-type tour of eastern Europe... at a pretty nice hotel with wifi in Krim Penninsula, southern Ukraine. I decided to download Impact and check it out (didn't even bother with any of the WWE stuff from the past 2 weeks after reading all the negative comments).

So, although I'm late.. I figured I'd post some thoughts:

Disappointed at the lack of wrestling, but what was there, was great. Triple X vs. Dutt/Lethal was an awesome short spotty match which is building into what will probably be THE tag fued of the year: Motor City vs. Triple X.

Angle is hilarious. While the whole family thing might have been somewhat.. lacking class? Too soon maybe? You can't argue it didn't work towards both Angle's, and more importantly, Joe's character.

Putting Harris and Young together seems kind of random but apparently worked well against newly turned ultra-heels Team 3D.

I'm almost ashamed to say it... but for once, I actually care about "The Punisher" Andrew Martin. I don't know what it is... but I got the sense from both that blog and his debut that he seems completely invigorated. Looking forward to see if the ball ends up being ran with.

All in all, pretty good show. 8/10 I'd say... I'm not a football fan so I don't exactly know who this so called Pacman fellar is but as long as he doesn't bore me for TOO long a time period, I'm not exactly crying over the signing. I'm definitely looking forward to TNA getting 2 hours.

Quite a shame about RAW's latest slump. But hey, the worse RAW does... the better for TNA.

[OnyxPrimal]

Well I just wanted to share this with you guys. For my birthday a few weeks ago I got one of the Classic IC title belt toys as sort of a gag gift. My Little girl fell in love with "the belt" as she calls it. BTW her fav wrestler is AJ Styles. No joke she can pick out his picture a mile away. Anyway this is cute:

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n154/keireypics/August4-52007008.jpg

I didn't even pose her fingers like that either. Classic Superfly! :)

[GuilewasNK]

Awwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!! :applause:

[Mr. Beef]

Very nice.

[Zen Davis]

Next Sarah Del Ray? :)

[Purple Flames]

I hope my kid is even half as cool as yours :D

[Zenithian Legend]

Nice picture!

[Brak]

If Triple H returns next week it would be cool to be there, but definitely not worth $200.
Yeah. To hit him in the face with a tomato.

[JJSP]

I randomly bought scalper tickets the night of the show for $70 each to sit 4th row for the Raw that started the Invasion storyline (the night of the last Nitro). Looking back, still probably wasn't worth it as I couldn't tell you a single match that happened that night.

[CaseyRyback]

Yeah. To hit him in the face with a tomato.

I will paypal you 10 dollars if you do it guyver.

[JJSP]

I will paypal you 10 dollars if you do it guyver.
I'll make it $20 if he can silly-string him, preferably during the inevitable Trips water spit entrance.

[Zen Davis]

I will paypal you 10 dollars if you do it guyver.

I'll throw in another $20.

[mykevermin]

$20 here. Gotta hit him in the face, though.

[Zen Davis]

ROH NEWSWIRE - I'll be second row at this PPV :)

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August 7th: ROH officials are waiting on some final talent confirmations before setting more matches for 8/24 in Hartford and 8/25 in Manhattan. We hope to have more matches announced in the next ROHwrestling.com Newswire. We have a ticket alert. Manhattan is close to selling out. Don't get shut out!!! There are still some great ringside seats available for "Caged Rage" in downtown Hartford featuring two Steel Cage matches. Save 25% on all tickets to both shows until TONIGHT at ROHwrestling.com.

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Ring Of Honor
August 11th, 2007- 7:30pm belltime
Pennsylvania National Guard Armory
2700 Southampton Rd, Philadelphia, PA 19154
"Death Before Dishonor V: Night 2"

Tickets available at ROHwrestling.com, Tickets.com or by calling 215-781-2500.

Non-Sanctioned Philadelphia Street Fight
Roderick Strong, Davey Richards, Rocky Romero & Matt Sydal vs. Austin Aries, Erick Stevens, Matt Cross & Delirious

ROH World Title Match
Takeshi Morishima (if still champion) defends vs. Brent Albright

Dream Match
Bryan Danielson vs. Mike Quackenbush

SHIMMER Title Match
Sara Del Rey vs. Daizee Haze/Lacey Winner On 8/10

Falls Count Anywhere Match
ROH World Tag Team Champion Mark Briscoe vs. El Generico

Lights Out Match
ROH World Tag Team Champion Jay Briscoe vs. Kevin Steen

Tag Team Challenge Match
Claudio Castagnoli & Nigel McGuinness vs. Chris Hero & Jigsaw with Larry Sweeney, Tank Toland, & Bobby Dempsey

Special Attraction
Jack Evans vs. Deranged

Plus preshow action with: Pelle Primeau, Mitch Franklin, Shane Hagadorn, Eddie Kingston, Cheech, Cloudy and others!!!

[Demolition Man]

Jim Cornette vs Dairy Queen..... I'm sure we could have a tag team soon with Jimbo teaming with Scott Steiner and Iron Sheik. :rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id4rZhN_LEg

[Demolition Man]

:rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXIFJToSsC0

Just.... watch........

[DJSteel]

Well I just wanted to share this with you guys. For my birthday a few weeks ago I got one of the Classic IC title belt toys as sort of a gag gift. My Little girl fell in love with "the belt" as she calls it. BTW her fav wrestler is AJ Styles. No joke she can pick out his picture a mile away. Anyway this is cute:

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n154/keireypics/August4-52007008.jpg

I didn't even pose her fingers like that either. Classic Superfly! :)

she should have gave the shocker....

[mykevermin]

That pic of your daughter is too cute. She should become a Razor Ramon fan in short order with that belt.

On a semi-wrestling note, one of our announcers was talking to me about a GI Joe convention, wherein they'll be selling a Rowdy Roddy Piper LE figure. He's allegedly going to be done up in his kilt and wearing his jacket, but with an Iron Grenadiers logo on his shirt (the storyline explanation for Piper as a Joe is that he's the Iron Grenadiers' trainer, and thus the heel to Sgt. Slaughter's face).

Lastly, that Delirious promo was semi coherent, and leads me to think that he rarely speaks in gibberish, and mostly talks in "carny" (or whatever pig latin wrestlers used to call matches in back in the day). I also think Mick Foley was unabashed about yelling things in that "language" during his matches over the course of his career.

[guyver2077]

I randomly bought scalper tickets the night of the show for $70 each to sit 4th row for the Raw that started the Invasion storyline (the night of the last Nitro). Looking back, still probably wasn't worth it as I couldn't tell you a single match that happened that night.

man thats bad as... totally worth the cash

[Sporadic]

I can't believe they were planning on dragging out this angle for 2 years.

The "Vince is Dead" storyline plans before they were scrapped:

- The Monday of the Benoit Tribute show, the evening would build to Linda being arrested. She'd be found not guilty later, and the puzzle would be unsolved. It'd then be time to "move on."
- On a special RAW, Vince's video will would be played and he would reveal that he was leaving EVERYTHING to his illegitimate son, Mr. Kennedy.
- HHH would be revealed (officially) as the Son In Law to Vince, and he'd start a long feud with Kennedy in order to gain everything back to the McMahon family.
- At some time, long down the road Vince would return and say that he and Kennedy faked the whole thing and gave everything to Kennedy because he was the only one in the family with that real ruthless aggression.
- Somehow this would lead to Vince vs. Shane somehow
Alvarez assumes that they'll stick with Kennedy for the illegitimate son role since they are grooming him to be a number 1 heel.

[mykevermin]

:lol:

I'd love to have seen how much "rub" Triple H would have given him.

:lol:

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

You know, I think the only PPV I've ever ordered was the Invasion PPV back in '01. That was where WWE started going downhill imo, since they HAD the combined rosters of WWE,WCW and ECW and if fans had anything but short attention spans, they should've built it up over a LONG period of time and then finally concluded it. But I guess they felt people wouldn't keep watching it past a couple months or so, so they ended it early.

However, I would've loved to have seen a twist where 'Shane's group' won and put Vince out of business or something to that effect. It's been so long that I couldn't even tell you who was on what side then.

Lately, I just find myself watching Raw or the combined Smackdown/ECW junk for a quick laugh at how absurd it's become lately. Of course, NONE of the over the top storylines of late could beat one I specifically remember. The angle/storyline? Mae Young giving birth to a hand.....

OK, not the best one I could think of, but easily one of the worst ones of the WWE's 'we'll do anything to keep ahead in the ratings' era. Personally, if they would stop slipping back into their old trap of keeping the titles on one of a select few teams/singles, I might actually watch this more.

But, how much you wanna bet once Trips comes back ONE of the titles is put on him within 2 months?? Mark my words, they're falling into the same trap they were in when many of their major guys left for WCW back in the 90's.

They rely too much on certain stars, while letting many mid and low carders fester till they get released.

[Zen Davis]

Lastly, that Delirious promo was semi coherent, and leads me to think that he rarely speaks in gibberish, and mostly talks in "carny" (or whatever pig latin wrestlers used to call matches in back in the day). I also think Mick Foley was unabashed about yelling things in that "language" during his matches over the course of his career.

He used to be completely jibberish but as time went on he started adding more normal words.

[mykevermin]

Invasion was the antithesis of "slow build." The Invasion PPV was in late July, and the "alliance" died that November. 5 fuckin' months for the whole thing.

I *still* can't figure out how they fucked that one up so spectacularly.

[OnyxPrimal]

Invasion was the antithesis of "slow build." The Invasion PPV was in late July, and the "alliance" died that November. 5 fuckin' months for the whole thing.

I *still* can't figure out how they fucked that one up so spectacularly.


I know... I think the plan was going to be to give WCW Smackdown and ECW Heat (which kinda of works now on that note) then Buff Bagwell had to have one of the wost matches in the history of RAW. Not to mention his attitude backstage. At least he lingers on the southern indys where he belongs. The only thing about Bagwell I ever liked was Scott Norton as his partner. :)

[guyver2077]

i as going nuts when bagwell came out on raw.. that was awesome!

[Brak]

I can't believe they were planning on dragging out this angle for 2 years.


That might be the dumbest thing I have ever laid eyes on.

[Zen Davis]

i as going nuts when bagwell came out on raw.. that was awesome!

Too bad his match against Booker T was amongst the worst ever on Raw.

[Foo228]

I can't believe they were planning on dragging out this angle for 2 years.



So are they gunna make up even more shit and say mr. kennedy is blood relative to mcmchon?

on another note, loved the 15 minutes of fame match (good build for both guys)

[tangytangerine]

I know... I think the plan was going to be to give WCW Smackdown and ECW Heat (which kinda of works now on that note)

Well, if they switched the tag titles, yeah. All the WCW titles would be on Smackdown(world tag titles are supposed to be the WCW version of the titles, hence it's got world in the name).

Did some cleaning last night and threw out over 200 tapes worth of Raws & Smackdowns from 9 years. Pretty much did nothing but take up space, since I never watch them anymore. Looking back at some of them, I sit back and wonder how the hell I thought this was entertaining.

[BustaUppa]

You know, I think the only PPV I've ever ordered was the Invasion PPV back in '01. That was where WWE started going downhill imo, since they HAD the combined rosters of WWE,WCW and ECW and if fans had anything but short attention spans, they should've built it up over a LONG period of time and then finally concluded it. But I guess they felt people wouldn't keep watching it past a couple months or so, so they ended it early.I often wonder how the Invasion would have gone if they had certain key players in the mix earlier. Goldberg, Scott Steiner, Hall, Nash, and friggin' Hogan would have really made a difference there. Just think of how much more authentic and epic that feud would have felt. In that scenario, they most likely would not have bothered having key WWE guys "jump ship" to give The Alliance more main-event credibility.

I forget... were Flair and DDP involved in the Invasion, or were they late for all that too?

Man, when you consider the wrestlers that DID eventually show up on the WWE roster, it's quite frustrating to imagine what the Invasion could have been if the timing was just a little bit different.

[Punk_Raven]

Invasion was the antithesis of "slow build." The Invasion PPV was in late July, and the "alliance" died that November. 5 fuckin' months for the whole thing.

I *still* can't figure out how they fucked that one up so spectacularly.

They were too busy thinking about how they won and how the monday night wars were over and how they're the better compnay (:roll:) to do what was right. They didn't want to buy out contracts for more relevant stars, causing them to bring in top WCW stars later in a time where nobody cared. Goldberg, Hogan, Nash, Hall, they were all stars that could've been HUGE in the nVasion. The angle ended with a WWF star vs a WWF star in the ring ( even though stone cold was in WCW and ECW, we all know where he made his name ). They didn't care enough about WCW to make it fair. A good example is that there was this big brawl in the ring and The Rock turns around, looks at Booker, and says " Who're you?". They didn't want to respect the fact that at a time WCW was the reason that WWF had shit ratings and were losing money every year. WCW stars weren't stars in WWE during the nVasion, they were peons against the all mighty WWF.

They quickly came to realize how stupid they were by seperating the brands and simulating competition to try to make up for the inept mainstream wrestling industry that they created. WCW was already dead and gone at that point though. Nobody was willing to give them TV time. Bischoff could get the rights and buy out everything but he wouldn't have TV time so he had no product. WWF buying out WCW was an even bigger nail in the coffin. They could've left WCW WCW and WWF WFF but we'd all know they were under the same umbrella.

[BustaUppa]

Goldberg, Hogan, Nash, Hall, they were all stars that could've been HUGE in the nVasion.lol check it out, we basically posted the same exact thought at the same time. Spooky.

[mykevermin]

I agree with everything you've said, P_R, except for any realization of how "stupid" they were. If there's one thing I can safely say about the WWE, it's that they very, very, very rarely recognize or admit to big mistakes when they're made.

[tangytangerine]

I forget... were Flair and DDP involved in the Invasion, or were they late for all that too?

DDP was the one that started in the Invasion storyline. Flair showed up right after they ended the Alliance.

As for the others that could've shown up during the storyline, they were too busy sitting on their butt and collecting money from the rest of their guaranteed contracts.

[BustaUppa]

Ahhh, I see. Such a pity. Just imagine Eric Bischoff showing up with Flair, Goldberg, Hogan, Hall, Nash, Scott Steiner, DDP, Rey Mysterio, Buff Bagwell, and Booker. And they'd have these epic wars against Vince's army of Austin, Rock, Undertaker, Triple H, Guerrero, Benoit, Angle, and others. You could have WCW gain the upper hand in a LONG feud, then one year into it would be right around when HBK starts wrestling again... oh man I mark out just imagining that!!! HBK's return would factor into that storyline and he could get Hall and Nash to join WWE and finally shift the balance of power back to WWE.

Meanwhile you could have had the ECW guys be this small renegade crew who does these random hit and run strikes against whoever they feel like.

Good lord that would have been awesome!

[PhrostByte]

Ahhh, I see. Such a pity. Just imagine Eric Bischoff showing up with Flair, Goldberg, Hogan, Hall, Nash, Scott Steiner, DDP, Rey Mysterio, Buff Bagwell, and Booker. And they'd have these epic wars against Vince's army of Austin, Rock, Undertaker, Triple H, Guerrero, Benoit, Angle, and others. You could have WCW gain the upper hand in a LONG feud, then one year into it would be right around when HBK starts wrestling again... oh man I mark out just imagining that!!! HBK's return would factor into that storyline and he could get Hall and Nash to join WWE and finally shift the balance of power back to WWE.

Meanwhile you could have had the ECW guys be this small renegade crew who does these random hit and run strikes against whoever they feel like.

Good lord that would have been awesome!

It definitely had the potential to be the biggest storyline in wrestling history, but this is Vince we're talking about. I mean, did anyone seriously expect greatness from the Invasion angle?

I remember it clearly. The attitude era, which basically made a wrestling fan, was on its downward spiral... and then out of nowhere, Shane appeared on Nitro. I must admit, I marked out pretty hard. I don't remember a more exciting time to be a fan... I mean, after watching the two companies duke it out for not days or months, but years, one had bought the other. But... as the night progressed, I began to realize the path of what was to come. It wasn't about me and my friends, it wasn't about wrestling, it wasn't about the fans, it was about money, greed, and gloat. It was about being a sore winner and securing Vince's invisible throne. Vince had crushed WCW from a business standpoint, and it was time for him to crush basically all of WCW talent before deciding who he should rebuild on his own turf... sad...

Then the Invasion angle occured, and I stopped watching for a few years out of utter disappointment.. until TNA came around. AJ Styles got me into wrestling again (shame he's still Christian's lackey, he needs to be main eventing sooner than later). So... I say. Even if you don't like TNA, you should support it just as a wrestling fan... because it's WWE's only televised competition (ROH is great too, although they only recently got a PPV slot) and like the mid to late 90's showed us, competition is a good thing :)

[Mr. Beef]

The invasion storyline....those were the days, indeed. I still can see Shane's face when he told Vince "he" bought WCW.

[mykevermin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rvlpntAAls

There's a familiar face about 30 seconds in.

[Zenithian Legend]

That Vince Death storyline is crazy. I could see how they'd stretch that to WM, but 2 years? That's WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to long-term for WWE.

I like the idea of who the illegitimate son is. HHH vs him definitely could be money. I think HHH is past his point of making everyone job to him, as evident by him putting over twats like Batista and Cena. IIRC there was an article not too long ago saying HHH's main concern now was his legacy, and who he put over as his replacement.

[lordxixor101]

I remember how surreal it seemed on the last night of Nitro. Those last few minutes, when you could flip the channel from TNT to USA and see the same show, after years of it being separate.

Invasion could have only been great if Vince was willing to let RAW "crumble" under the power of ECW. Vince's ego to be the best created some nice wrestling moments, but there was no way that Vince could have done it then. It really might have made more sense for them to hold off on the angle for a year, let Vince settle in, and then bring it back (with some of the stars). Sure, it would have lost a bit of heat, but heck, if they went back to the storyline today and did it right, with all the right guys, I still think it would work.

[getmeoutofjoliet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rvlpntAAls

There's a familiar face about 30 seconds in.


Who is that?

[pitfallharry219]

Who is that?

That's M-m-m-m-m-matt M-m-m-m-m-m-morgan

[mykevermin]

Matt Morgan.

[getmeoutofjoliet]

Matt Morgan.



Ah, I see.

Those were my wrestling Dark Ages, so I've never seen him/heard about him before. :lol:

[guyver2077]

matt morgan was awesome..

he was part of team heyman

[OuTrAgE]

The whole HHH vs Kennedy storyline was tied into the Vince's fake death story, right?

Since the rumors suggest Kennedy could be revealed as Vince's illegitimate son, this same story could still be used (minus the fake death part)? Is this obvious? Am I wrong?

I'm just wondering because I've been thinking to myself a HHH vs Kennedy fued could be awesome, and I really think this whole Vince giving the company to Kennedy and HHH trying to take it back would be pretty good. Not to mentione Shane vs Vince (I love Shane).

[tangytangerine]

Well, Raw ratings are back to the level they were before Benoit killing his family. But I'm guessing it will go back downhill as they get more & more into the "who's your kid" storyline. The Kennedy vs. Triple H feud is supposed to start after Summerslam.

The Orton vs. HHH feud is off and supposedly Orton will be feuding with Cena into the fall.

For those wondering, SD's main event will be Great Khali vs. Ric Flair.

[Demolition Man]

Boy do I see ratings rising from that main event woohoo! :rofl:

[guyver2077]

on espn.com... on the right hand side player..

they have an interview with pacman and jeff jarret

[Brak]

I wonder how Pacman is going to feud with.

[guyver2077]

nice pacman promo

[Zenithian Legend]

I haven't seen Raven in awhile... damn what happened to him... with his hair like that he looks so old.

[JaytheGamefan]

He looks younger than he did when his hair was white, and what the hell is up with putting such a bloody, weapon-filled match right after announcing a match like it for the "main event" of the PPV that is supposed to draw based on blood?

[Matt Young]

Worst Fameasser ever.

[Brak]

I think his hair is like that because of his sheep sheer scalping.

And, Goddamn; Kipp James was sloppy as fuck during that match.

Fire VKM, already. They already think they can go to WWE. I want to see those dreams shattered.

[mykevermin]

Kurt Angle is so much better as a goofy comedy guy than as an ultra tough guy.

It's pretty obvious, however, that the whole "divorce" is a generic-ass heel swerve, leading to Angle beating Joe yet again. Joe has pinned Angle, what? Once?

The House of Fun match was very good, and made me realize what a good job TNA has done of getting over Harris, Storm, and Roode. Rhino was easier.

A much better show than last week's. Thus far, anyway.

[Zenithian Legend]

I think his hair is like that because of his sheep sheer scalping.

And, Goddamn; Kipp James was sloppy as fuck during that match.

Fire VKM, already. They already think they can go to WWE. I want to see those dreams shattered.

Ah that explains it. I couldn't tell as I didn't get a long enough look.

If TNA is really clever/devious, Karen turns on Joe at the ppv. OOOOOOOOOH YEAH!

[guyver2077]

is that really his wife...

[Matt Young]

World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of Tomasso Whitney as of today, August 9. WWE wishes Tomasso the best in all his future endeavors.

WWE.com

Who the fuck is Tomasso Whitney?

[mykevermin]

If you had been watching the OVW shows I've been uploading, then you'd know he was the goofy-ass self-help guy who was "managing" Charles "The Hammer" Evans and Justin "The Ox" LaRoche.

IOW, no big loss.

[Matt Young]

I thought Pacman was making an in-ring appearance tonight.

[Brak]

God... I can't wait to see Kurt Angle with 5 championship belts.

The image of him holding them all up, yelling, coated in sweat, on the top rope, needs to be immortalized in stained glass.

[Matt Young]

If you had been watching the OVW shows I've been uploading, then you'd know he was the goofy-ass self-help guy who was "managing" Charles "The Hammer" Evans and Justin "The Ox" LaRoche.

IOW, no big loss.

I downloaded 2 of them, but neither would play since they were mp4 files. Someone here talked about changing the file extension, but I have no idea how to do that. I right clicked on the file itself, and there was no such option.

[Zenithian Legend]

is that really his wife...

As far as I know... she resembles pictures of his wife in his autobiography.