Updates may be causing three red rings

[ZForce915]

I suggest you not download the update, it is giving some people the 3 red rings.

I'd avoid it if you can.

*EDIT*

The update seems to be mandatory, so to avoid it would be to stop playing and I'm guessing no one is going to do that. Feel free to post if you have any issues you experience.

*EDIT 2*

Changed title to be a little less Fox News-ish and fear inducing.

[kensterdotnet]

Do you have a link? Or are you just trying to scare people.

[javeryh]

It is giving some people the 3 red rings.

So does turning on the system...

Thanks folks I'll be here all night!

[saddamizer]

Do I have to download it to play on live?

Cuz I've got a date with RSVegas tonight.

And I'd hate to stand her up.

[kensterdotnet]

Do I have to download it to play on live?

Cuz I've got a date with RSVegas tonight.

And I'd hate to stand her up. I think it's a mandatory update.

[kevgret]

Hi:

I downloaded the update and now EVERY game freezes after 5 minutes of play.

I called Microsoft and they told me I had to clear out some of my old files by turning on the machine and holding down the controller sync button.

Needless to say it did not work.

I was also told this was a very minor update and just added some sort of wireless function for use with Guitar Hero 3.

Has anyone else's 360 gone bad after the update?

Kevin

[Monsta Mack]

Dude what doesn't give the system red lights?

I downloaded it no problems. I use my XBox 360 30+ hours a week and have yet to get any system errors and It's been getting close to two years of having it now.

Some people have problems some don't. If I have a system problem I have my Wii/other systems to use for 3-4 weeks.

[ZForce915]

My friend and several users on GameFaqs are getting bricked consoles. Just stay away as long as you can.

Sure, you might be fine...buy why risk it?

[kensterdotnet]

My friend and several users on GameFaqs are getting bricked consoles. Just stay away as long as you can.

Sure, you might be fine...buy why risk it? So I shouldn't turn on my 360 at all? I think you have to download it to play on live.

[saddamizer]

Risk it because playing on Live is the main reason I got a 360.

If I can't play online with my system than I'll have to get another one.

[Surferflames]

It's a mandatory update that will only be used by a small portion of the 360 audience :roll:

Anyway, these things happen with every system update. They also happen randomly without any precursors what so ever. If you own a 360 you have already realized that every day has the risk of the system dying.

[kevgret]

So I shouldn't turn on my 360 at all? I think you have to download it to play on live.


I think he is saying wait until Microsoft finds out the update is bricking systems. They will release a another update to correct the screwed up one.

Kevin

[R1V3R5]

Do I have to download it to play on live?

Cuz I've got a date with RSVegas tonight.

And I'd hate to stand her up.

Mine is working fine, no red lights. And I played about an hour of RBS: Vegas after the update.

[ighosty]

the update is for the guitar hero wireless controllers. Its not even a major update, don't see how it could cause problems, but to each there own. Mine is still running strong (since my last repair that is :))

[kensterdotnet]

I think he is saying wait until Microsoft finds out the update is bricking systems. They will release a another update to correct the screwed up one.

Kevin Did they ever do that with the other updates? I'm just going to risk it and see where it takes me.

[Punk_Raven]

Lol. Everything bricks 360s. Download the damned update. If you're that afraid then you should probably not turn your 360 on. At this point that's the only wya that you are 100 percent sure that you won't get red ringed.

PS, tons of people get 3RL every day. Who's to say it doens't happen to coordinate with the update?

[rsigley]

mo updates mo problems

mine froze 2x since, but i dunno if it's cause by the update or the 110 degree weather causing it to overheat

[The Successful Dropout]

Some people are just retarded. Seriously. How many consoles were going to get the 3 rings today anyway? Now when those people download the update and get it shortly after, lets blame the update? Did they fart sometime before the 3 rings too? Did they order pizza too?

DON'T ORDER PIZZA!!! IT GIVES YOU THE 3 RINGS!!!

It's a coincedence. Get over it.

[magiic]

no rings here

[help1]

I got a part of a ring, it was one light, green, top left.

[v1et r1ce]

No red lights here..and like everyone said, anything can brick you console. Microsoft better find the problem fast..

[ZForce915]

Some people are just retarded. Seriously. How many consoles were going to get the 3 rings today anyway? Now when those people download the update and get it shortly after, lets blame the update? Did they fart sometime before the 3 rings too? Did they order pizza too?

DON'T ORDER PIZZA!!! IT GIVES YOU THE 3 RINGS!!!

It's a coincedence. Get over it.

No it is not. My buddy has NEVER had a problem with his XBOX and 5 minutes after the download he can't use it.

Maybe I'd believe it was coincedence, but too many others are getting the same thing.

[lord_ebonstone]

No it is not. My buddy has NEVER had a problem with his XBOX and 5 minutes after the download he can't use it.

Maybe I'd believe it was coincedence, but too many others are getting the same thing.
The Sky Is Falling, also known as Chicken Little or Henny Penny, is an old fable about a chicken (or a hare in early versions) who believes the sky is falling. The phrase has also become used to indicate a hysterical or mistaken belief that disaster is imminent. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sky_Is_Falling_(fable))

[Callandor]

My week-old elite survived the update.

[elsnow77]

something is screwed up with either my wireless adaptor or my 360, because im having lots of trouble signing onto live. Then, when i do, it makes me go d/l the update. Then it takes like 10 minutes and as soon as its about to finish it just cancels it and says error.

[mvp828]

Holy Hell...

My 360 didn't turn on at all...




Then I realized it wasn't plugged in at all.

People that think it was the update are probably the same ones who believe the Government is responsible for 9/11.

[Punk_Raven]

Oh, and just to add another witty remark, welcome to 1 year ago.

[Liquid 2]

Every time there's an update, there are people crying about it, and every time, everyone DLs the update anyways.

How about someone posts what the update fixes/adds instead?

[xbox_mole]

Give me a break, you could fart wrong and the 360 would pop 3 rings.

I downloaded the update and just left they system do it's thing and I have no problems. I also don't get where people are saying the XBOX 360 logo takes 2 minutes to load. It lasts maybe 3 more seconds than before on start-up but big deal.

The update will break the feature of not being able to see the name of the game on your screen. But to fix it all you need to do is start up a game, quit out of it and then open and close the disc tray and it's fixed.

Don't worry about the update, get it and get online!

[Link927]

Well, I got the update in the morning and it seems to be working fine. Of course, it never tells you what it does so I had to go online to find out.

[ZForce915]

Yes, haha...you are all so very witty.

Since the update is mandatory I imagine we will all eventually see what happens when we download it. I'll wait another day to see if they can tinker with things.

[jollydwarf]

So does turning on the system...

http://www.spinaltapfan.com/images/nigel.jpg

"No, don't even look at it."

(Yours is better, but I had to chime in.)

[zewone]

Yes, haha...you are all so very witty.

Since the update is mandatory I imagine we will all eventually see what happens when we download it. I'll wait another day to see if they can tinker with things.
They're not going to tinker with things.

This is the update, it's not bricking consoles, it's a coincidence (although, apparently, consoles seem more susceptible with updates. But, with no research, it's just hearsay.)

You're just avoiding the inevitable (the update, not the red rings, though probably that too :lol:).

[Ikohn4ever]

i am having trouble connecting to one of my buddys after we both dled the update

[Mechafenris]

I've no red rings, but it took quite a while for the 360 to recognize my Marvel Ultimate Alliance game DVD... (after signing on to live and all that fun...) *shrug* This is probably nothing... *knock on wood*, but I don't think the update would be to blame...

Still, mandatory update for wireless guitar support? *shrug*

[Apossum]

Wow, did people already forget the other updates that caused RRoD and then had to be patched because the failure rate was so high?

I think it's worth a thread if people are getting fucked up systems from an update.

no wonder MS can get away with broken consoles. some of you guys have the memory of a goldfish (credits go to brak for the goldfish insult ;) )

[kevgret]

Some people are just retarded. Seriously. How many consoles were going to get the 3 rings today anyway? Now when those people download the update and get it shortly after, lets blame the update? Did they fart sometime before the 3 rings too? Did they order pizza too?

DON'T ORDER PIZZA!!! IT GIVES YOU THE 3 RINGS!!!

It's a coincedence. Get over it.


why are you so angry over there being a possiblity of the update bricking consoles? I know my system was acting fine BEFORE the update. Now it won't play any games for 5 mins before freezing.

some people are retared for thinking there couldn't be a link between bricked consoles and downloading updates. seriously.

Kevin

[camoor]

some people are retared

.

[camoor]

Hay guyz, I see this ring - is this a problem?

http://www.ejumpcut.org/trialsite/bensonAllott/images/13.jpg

[Moxio]

Just updated, nothing sketchy happened here.

[kevgret]

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spelling issues aside, my console got bricked over the updated.

And by the looks of things I'm not the only one. Major nelson's site is getting hammered with lots of people reporting the exact same problem as myself.

Why would you be forced to download an update for a game you might not even buy? why not just do a software update when you put the title in?

I wonder what else this update did?

Kevin

[Chuplayer]

I updated my 360. Right after the system shut itself off, I heard it make these weird clicking noises. I read somewhere that sometimes people got clicking noises when they got the ring of death, and I was worried. Eventually, the startup animation came on. However, when it ended and it showed the logo, it didn't do anything. It was like this for 30 seconds before it signed in my profile, but it didn't connect to the internet until about 15 seconds after that. After everything seemed kosher, I turned it off and back on again, and it was more or less normal.

I only watched videos since the update, so I'll have to see if I get that five minutes of gameplay and then freeze problem. If I do get it, I'll be sure to post back right away.

[Erikph2]

I am just waiting for my 360 to brick. Thats all I need more stress. I cannot believe that PS3s are working fine no problems but 3 out of 4 people I know have had to send their xbox 360s in for repair. I just wish Sony could create games worth playing for the system.

Updates that kill systems great....:bomb:

[zewone]

I am just waiting for my 360 to brick. Thats all I need more stress. I cannot believe that PS3s are working fine no problems but 3 out of 4 people I know have had to send their xbox 360s in for repair. I just wish Sony could create games worth playing for the system.

Updates that kill systems great....:bomb:
How is MS poor at supporting products?

They made a design error, they knew it, now they are offering a 3 year warranty on the system and future revisions to the system have fixed the overheating issues.

[Punk_Raven]

Wow, did people already forget the other updates that caused RRoD and then had to be patched because the failure rate was so high?

I think it's worth a thread if people are getting fucked up systems from an update.

no wonder MS can get away with broken consoles. some of you guys have the memory of a goldfish (credits go to brak for the goldfish insult ;) )
No. No one forgot. It's just that at this point we've all realized that updates aren't always the things bricking 360s. There are more variables to the 3RL situation. And there are more situations where the updates aren't bricking the 360s.

That last part just pissed me off to no end. Microsoft is not fucking getting away with ANYTHING. You're making it seem like we are all sheep here, sitting back and thinking that our 360s are going to live forever, or actually giving Microsoft sympathy for releaing a console that wasn't up to snuff the time it came out and years after it was first released. We KNOW this shit. We've KNOWN this shit. Microsoft is working to fix the problem, so they haven't gotten away with shit. I hate to throw this number around, I really do, but 1 billion dollars tells you exactly what Microsoft has gotten away with this console generation. So don't fucking tell me, on a forum where a thread about 360 repairs and support has reached 86 pages, that ANYONE on this forum who has bought a 360 is letting Microsoft get away with ANYTHING.

Oh and PS, the PS3 does have some small known errors. Yes they don't happen often but if they do, what can you do? Where can you go? Nothing, nowhere, you're left out in the rain until you can save up 600 more dollars to buy a PS3 .

[A Happy Panda]

The Sky Is Falling, also known as Chicken Little or Henny Penny, is an old fable about a chicken (or a hare in early versions) who believes the sky is falling. The phrase has also become used to indicate a hysterical or mistaken belief that disaster is imminent. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sky_Is_Falling_(fable))

Oh man I was dying for awhile there. :rofl:

Anyways, this is a good thread. I'll download the update and report back. I've had this for a year and a couple months, no problems.

No problems here. Even downloaded the Lumines update and no red rings.

[Rig]

Mine went smooth.

[ZerotypeX]

updated....no problems while playing NFS:MW except that I got busted *sigh

[n00bie]

I updated my 360. Right after the system shut itself off, I heard it make these weird clicking noises. I read somewhere that sometimes people got clicking noises when they got the ring of death, and I was worried. Eventually, the startup animation came on. However, when it ended and it showed the logo, it didn't do anything. It was like this for 30 seconds before it signed in my profile, but it didn't connect to the internet until about 15 seconds after that. After everything seemed kosher, I turned it off and back on again, and it was more or less normal.

I only watched videos since the update, so I'll have to see if I get that five minutes of gameplay and then freeze problem. If I do get it, I'll be sure to post back right away.

Mine did the same thing.

[Graystone]

My friend and several users on GameFaqs are getting bricked consoles. Just stay away as long as you can.


Here's the thing the 360 has a huge failure rate. Then someone does an update. A few hours later console gets th ring of death. They then think "must've been the update." Bottom-line every time an update comes out people say it bricked their console.

I updated, and I'm running fine.

[Mechafenris]

Oh and PS, the PS3 does have some small known errors. Yes they don't happen often but if they do, what can you do? Where can you go? Nothing, nowhere, you're left out in the rain until you can save up 600 more dollars to buy a PS3 .

Not to whizz on a good rant, but the PS3 warranty's one year. (It's a switch from the other Sony warranties... but hey... always an improvement.)

[Chuplayer]

I just played some DOA4, and I had no problems.

[Punk_Raven]

Not to whizz on a good rant, but the PS3 warranty's one year. (It's a switch from the other Sony warranties... but hey... always an improvement.)

Yeah, I was about to post something about that but I decided to stop and shut my mouth about Sony hardware and that kind of information because I really don't know what I'm talking about in that area. :lol:

Then again, it was also a terrible argument in general because even if your PS3 is out of warranty and you get that problem chances are if you bought a new one you'd never get that the problem again. The console hasn't been out for so long though. It could've been a problem that Sony fixed but never acknowledged, the world will never know.. ( besides Sony ).

[slickkill77]

My launch console is still going good.

[Apossum]

No. No one forgot. It's just that at this point we've all realized that updates aren't always the things bricking 360s. There are more variables to the 3RL situation. And there are more situations where the updates aren't bricking the 360s.



so what's your fucking point? People are reporting that after this update they are seeing the RRoD. Just like after other updates, more people than usual started seeing the RRoD. .It's a fucked up console, anything can happen to it. If you want to talk about variables, well, here's one that can be isolated--that's why it's post worthy. I may just not sign into live until I trade mine in for an elite...i'll just turn it on to copy my saves and play offline.


That last part just pissed me off to no end. Microsoft is not fucking getting away with ANYTHING. You're making it seem like we are all sheep here, sitting back and thinking that our 360s are going to live forever, or actually giving Microsoft sympathy for releaing a console that wasn't up to snuff the time it came out and years after it was first released. We KNOW this shit. We've KNOWN this shit. Microsoft is working to fix the problem, so they haven't gotten away with shit. I hate to throw this number around, I really do, but 1 billion dollars tells you exactly what Microsoft has gotten away with this console generation. So don't fucking tell me, on a forum where a thread about 360 repairs and support has reached 86 pages, that ANYONE on this forum who has bought a 360 is letting Microsoft get away with ANYTHING.


:lol: (it's funny when people get heated on forums...even funnier when they're totally wrong.) yes, when people are denying that the update isn't causing any extra instances of the RRoD and saying that it's the users fault that they somehow got it after the update, there's denial in the air. i'm not saying you personally. all I came to claim was that it's worth making a post about and is a big joke when people deny the update can potentially cause problems. past updates have caused problems-- it's useful for everyone to know if a current one is and what the extent of the problems might be. who knows, the op could've been followed by a bunch of people saying they had the same experience.

and yeah, the extended warranty lets them get away without being sued.


Oh and PS, the PS3 does have some small known errors. Yes they don't happen often but if they do, what can you do? Where can you go? Nothing, nowhere, you're left out in the rain until you can save up 600 more dollars to buy a PS3 .


what? where the fuck did that come from? i'm glad you acknowledged the warranty in your next post...but playing the fanboy card is just a sign of weakness and insecurity, imho.

[mvp828]

Hay guyz, I see this ring - is this a problem?

http://www.ejumpcut.org/trialsite/bensonAllott/images/13.jpg

Yes!!!! Classic!!:rofl:


updated....no problems while playing NFS:MW except that I got busted *sigh

Zero, didn't know you played for the Cincinatti Bengals?

[menikmati]

Thumbs down on this shit.

[Viva Las Vegas]

My launch console is still going good.
Better knock on some wood ;)

Updated my console, played some Carcassone and zero problems.

[VipFREAK]

no rings yet... :knock on wood:

I think Microshit might be the reason though. xD

[Punk_Raven]

Not playing the fanboy card, and I wasn't referring to you. I didn't just throw that in there as a " fuck you" to Sony or anything. Somebody had mentioned something about wishing that the PS3 had better games or something like that, and I'm really sick of people even mentioning the PS3 in the topic of the 360 and reliability. We've heard it all before. The 360 breaks a lot and the PS3 doesn't. Yes, I am a bit insecure about these things. Thats just one of my problems. The last thing that I want to see in a thread about 360 failures is the PS3. Not saying it's a bad console at all. You didn't say anything about the PS3 so....

How was I completely wrong? And I don't recall me ever saying that this didn't deserve a thread. I was just saying that at this point maybe you should consider that something else caused the 3RL ( while considering that the update did it ) as opposed to jumping to conclusions at first. One of the main reasons I'd prefer that is that it causes panic among the whole community for something that may or may not have a negative outcome. I know I freaked out ( the insecurity thing ) when I read the first title as I had already installed the update. And your original statement said something about our poor memory letting Microsoft get away with broken consoles. Then you say that the new warranty prevents lawsuits ( letting microsoft get away ...). Don't think we had a choice in their warranty, so our goldfish like memory didn't exactly play a part in that. Unless I was told to go to a meeting that I forgot to go to.

PS. I am also weak :)

[moojuice]

Hay guyz, I see this ring - is this a problem?

http://www.ejumpcut.org/trialsite/bensonAllott/images/13.jpg

Ecks Dee.

Oh, and on topic though. For the first time, I thought an update may have ruined my 360 but it didn't. Like a few others mentioned, when the console rebooted, it stuck on the logo screen for a bit, but after about 30-40 seconds, everything was smooth.

[thrustbucket]

No probs here. I don't have a modded console though.

[FrankySox]

I played on mine for a while after I downloaded it. However right after I downloaded it my system turned off, otherwise haven't had any problems.

[jdangerc]

I Downloaded The Update Yesterday, And Now I Cannot Recover My Gamertag!!!!!!

I Hate Microsoft!!!!!

[pete5883]

I remember when the GHII patch was "bricking consoles." Good times.

[seanr1221]

No problems here...but can't any system updated brick anything? I remember when a system update bricked my iBook G4.

[doubledown]

Mine worked fine....played some NCAA 08 for a good hour.

I remember the very first system update bricked my console though.

[SpecTrE3353]

Oh, and on topic though. For the first time, I thought an update may have ruined my 360 but it didn't. Like a few others mentioned, when the console rebooted, it stuck on the logo screen for a bit, but after about 30-40 seconds, everything was smooth.

Same happened here. Worried me for a second.

[Number83]

Yesterday I downloaded the update and everything was fine. But then my wife walked in and told me she was pregnant...coincidence?

[daroga]

Yesterday I downloaded the update and everything was fine. But then my wife walked in and told me she was pregnant...coincidence?Update causes pregnancy!

Oh, and after downloading the update I had trouble connecting with a CAG for a Mario Strikers match. Beware Wii60 owners, beware!

[Number83]

Update causes pregnancy!

Oh, and after downloading the update I had trouble connecting with a CAG for a Mario Strikers match. Beware Wii60 owners, beware!

See that children...READ THE EULA!!!

[Maynard]

for some reason I go to update and it says that I failed to connect to xbox live. Tells me to go to support to figure out my problem and I go to settings and everything passes EXCEPT connecting to xbox live. When that happens is prompts the update which I click GO and of course the FREAKING thing says it can't download the update ARGH!

EDIT
Seems like MS has pulled yesterdays update. Ruh ROH

[Punk_Raven]

Damn. I bet the people who were trapped into downloading that and got their consoles bricked are pissed.

[Stingermck]

Just bricked mine. Got a copy of MVC2 and it updated and now red rings. Fuck

[shrike4242]

Mine updated last night, didn't see any issues so far.

[Stingermck]

Yay. My coffin will be here in 5-7 business days. My 1 year warranty expired in July, so hopefully this is red ring related, and not some bullshit failure.

And I just got 2 games in the mail :(

[Punk_Raven]

service.xbox.com. You can get all the information you need there without having to call xbox hotline.

Maybe it's "support.xbox.com"

[ryanbph]

dl mine...had some studderance of logging in, and going from the green xbox logo to the blades screen but besides that it worked fine

[Slate]

Some people are just retarded. Seriously. How many consoles were going to get the 3 rings today anyway? Now when those people download the update and get it shortly after, lets blame the update? Did they fart sometime before the 3 rings too? Did they order pizza too?

DON'T ORDER PIZZA!!! IT GIVES YOU THE 3 RINGS!!!

It's a coincedence. Get over it.

So true.

I updated without problems.

[Stingermck]

I'm not hating on MS at all, been a 360 supporter since day one.

But I updated, console rebooted, and instant red rings. :-k

[xbox_mole]

service.xbox.com. You can get all the information you need there without having to call xbox hotline.

Maybe it's "support.xbox.com"

Yeah if you can get your console to show up on there. I've tried and even called them cause I get an error when I try to link my console on there and they told me, Sorry nothing we can do, but you don't need that site anyway, just call us.

[Punk_Raven]

idk. It's a very common problem, though. I registered my console a while ago and that's probably why it works for me.

[ZForce915]

Well I did the update and I'm fine.

I'm still pissed for my friend though. (he is pissed too)

[topnotch97]

whew. man i thought i was gonna order the coffin. suspense was killing me.

[CappyCobra]

Hay guyz, I see this ring - is this a problem?

http://www.ejumpcut.org/trialsite/bensonAllott/images/13.jpg Naa, this is the one!
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2547/13by9.th.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13by9.jpg)
Yes, I'm bored BTW.8-)

[Weedy649]

My gears did freeze for the first time since nov after the update....

Its frozen for Splinter Cell and RS:V before but never in gears!

[jdangerc]

Right after I downloaded the update, my 360 could not recover my gamer tag. I was on the phone for about 2 hours with microsoft to see if they could help. Well they could not! So they are sending me a coffin for my 360, and I hope they can revive it.


R.I.P. AMAZING MUTATO 11-5-06 to 08-07-07

[sidr]

The Sky Is Falling, also known as Chicken Little or Henny Penny, is an old fable about a chicken (or a hare in early versions) who believes the sky is falling. The phrase has also become used to indicate a hysterical or mistaken belief that disaster is imminent. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sky_Is_Falling_%28fable%29)
I know correlation doesn't necessarily equal causality and all that, but come on. This particular update didn't brick my 360, but after I downloaded the first Guitar Hero II update, my console starting freezing up immediately thereafter, and after about 3 restarts started giving me 3RL. I think it's a reasonable conclusion that the update is in some way responsible.

Are there any theories as to why this might be?

[seen]

^
The 360 is a cheaply made console with cheap parts, poorly put together. Naturally they are more prone to breaking then a ps3, this is coming from a current 360 owner.

[PhoenixT]

updated mine last night no issues everything works smoothly *shrug*. *knocks on wood just in case* <_<

[retail sucks]

my system updated successfully and 2 hours later it died with the error 74. IDK.
:bomb:

[rabidmonkeys]

Mine died with the 3 red rings of death after i rebooted. fantastic...

[Punk_Raven]

Well, Microsoft is going to have some business at the repair center :).

[camoor]

Naa, this is the one!
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2547/13by9.th.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=13by9.jpg)
Yes, I'm bored BTW.8-)

:lol:

This screams YTMND

[VipFREAK]

Wow... Since I've been enjoying my PS3 my friend has my 360 and it passed without a problem. :knock on wood:

I expect my 360 to last maybe a year or two while my PS3 I don't know how long but it will be a long time.

Oh yeah...

PS3 > 360

[sidr]

^
The 360 is a cheaply made console with cheap parts, poorly put together. Naturally they are more prone to breaking then a ps3, this is coming from a current 360 owner.
Oh yea, I get that they're not all too sturdy, I was just wondering specifically how an update may cause the system to brick.

[Halo05]

Mine's updated just fine and I've been playing Forza 2 and F.E.A.R. since the update along with the usual XBLA tomfoolery.

[moojuice]

I am curious. All the people who had red rings, did your system reboot after the update properly? I know that alot of us thought our system froze, but it just took about 30 or so seconds for it to fully reboot. I woud imagine that aybe something was being applied durring the "freeze", and maybe turning off the system killed it?