Wii surpases 360's sold worldwide

[Monsta Mack]

http://www.vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id=508

Looks like theres a typo stating tomorrow's date. Well the Wii has won the "next gen warz" for now, edging out the 360 and it took them a year less and several months to do it to boot.

Nintendo is swimming in not only cash now, but can say they have the number one next gen system.

Discuss.

[Mr. Anderson]

It's over, Microsoft is finished.

[Apossum]

I think it's pretty safe to say they'll come out on top this gen.

[PyroGamer]

We've known this would happen since the first month of riddiculously-high Wii sales. We'll see what happens.

The fact remains: the Wii is not the same kind of system as the 360 and PS3. It shouldn't be considered "competition". The best I can hope for the Wii is that it gets the level, and the KIND, of dev support that the DS has.

[jer7583]

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb93/SonOfA_Beep/faq.jpg

hooray!

[botticus]

First to 10 million, eh?

[SNKMat]

lol at vgchatz. coght nintedo fanboys

[botticus]

lol at vgchatz. coght nintedo fanboysLaughing at the site is okay, though I hope you're not laughing at the numbers. Tomorrow's NPD will put it close in a more official way. But August 23 numbers won't be reflected until the August NPD in September.

[jer7583]

VGchartz numbers are BS, but we all saw this coming. It was imminent this month, based on NPDs in past months they were VERY close. This month was just the tipping point.

[mtxbass1]

VGchartz numbers are BS, but we all saw this coming. It was imminent this month, based on NPDs in past months they were VERY close. This month was just the tipping point.

Exactly. VGchart"z" number's have never been anywhere near accurate. They had the 360 over 10 million for 3 months with not a single sales increase, yet the Wii mysteriously reaches some artificial milestone "in record time".

[Pylis]

Congrats to Nintendo! Still, I wonder how long they can realistically keep up this pace. And as has been said multiple times already, I don't really trust VGChartz numbers very much.

[botticus]

Here are the numbers compiled by GAF:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=169308&highlight=takeover

360
Australia - 195,056
Europe - 3,000,000
Japan - 397,824
Canada - 403,500
US - 5,780,000

TOTAL - 9,777,280
_____

Wii

Australia - 138,192
Europe - 2,200,000
Japan - 3,285,081
Canada - 313,956
US - 3,190,000

TOTAL - 9,127,229
______

PS3

Australia: 66,503
Europe - 1,100,000
Japan - 1,041,978
Canada - 84,584
US - 1,450,000

TOTAL - 3,743,065

Sources (last update):
Japan - Media Create (August 9)
US - NPD (June numbers)
Canada - NPD (June numbers)
Australia - August 2007
Europe - NEEDS SOURCE

[chosen1s]

No sense fussing about it. Nintendo themselves said they are not looking to compete with MS or Sony.

Though probably not quite an apples-to-apples comparison, I see such discussions as similar to comparing pc sales to ps2 sales. Just because both can play video games does not mean they are directly competing.

Now, I won't pretend that I wouldn't love to see Nintendo give both companies a firm boot to the backside, but it's true, they're not competing directly. Gears of War is a 360 or PS3 game and the Wii is never going to be in the running for that kind of game. Vice versa for Wii Sports, etc (at least for now unless Sony or MS come out with a legitimate wiimote and support for it).

Glad to see Nintendo doing so well though.

[akilshohen]

weren't the last numbers MS released put the 360 at 11.6, when they announced 12 mil for Q2? I know it's inevitible, but I think the 360 sold more than 10.51 mil

[Zen Davis]

And then Halo came out.

[Zen Davis]

weren't the last numbers MS released put the 360 at 11.6, when they announced 12 mil for Q2? I know it's inevitible, but I think the 360 sold more than 10.51 mil
Those were shipped. Not sold.

[Edge of Heart]

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o305/weeman_com/nintendoWAR/cardancenin.gif

Meybe now third party developers will take the Wii more seriously.

[Zen Davis]

http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comics/2007-05-14.png

[ighosty]

Almost a year since launch and u still can't find them in stores. Easily the winner.

[Drico]

I hate to say it but VGChartz is oh so very wrong. Microsoft had sold 10.5 millin 360's after Christmas of 2006. VGChartz never changes the Microsoft numbers. Seriously, I wouldn't trust VGChartz for anything or that other "consolewars" one that is similiar to VGChartz (who also has drastically different numbers) ..

[Judhudson]

http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comics/2007-05-14.png

:applause: That's a good one

[zombi]

This has to be units shipped. Not that it matters much for the wii, but for the 360 and PS3 the difference is important as you can see plenty sitting on store shelves.

[botticus]

I hate to say it but VGChartz is oh so very wrong. Microsoft had sold 10.5 millin 360's after Christmas of 2006. VGChartz never changes the Microsoft numbers. Seriously, I wouldn't trust VGChartz for anything or that other "consolewars" one that is similiar to VGChartz (who also has drastically different numbers) ..Very much incorrect. See the numbers compiled in my previous post. Microsoft SHIPPED ~11 million consoles through the end of 2006. As of June, they had not yet broken 10 million sold.

Will be interesting to see if the 360 can take back the top spot when September numbers come out (middle of October) with the Halo push. Should be a fun back-and-forth the rest of the year.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

I doubt there will be much of a Halo push. I would assume the vast majority of Halo fans already bought a 360 long ago. Any significant increase would most likely be because of the price drop, not because of Halo.

[dpatel]

Expected, but I still feel the Wii will be short lived. It's a great transition system until the 360/PS3 become more practical options for developers/consumers.

[GizmoGC]

And then Halo came out.

...and then Super Smash Bros. Brawl comes out. :lol:

[Apossum]

and then, a new Super Mario game comes out. just being objective here-- Master Chief still hasn't quite attained "mario" status yet.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Expected, but I still feel the Wii will be short lived. It's a great transition system until the 360/PS3 become more practical options for developers/consumers.

And just when do you figure this will happen? The console lifespan doesnt leave a long window for massive momentum shifts.

There must be a point in the next 3 or 4 years when you might consider conceding that this may not happen, if the trend remains unchanged.

For the first thing, a momentum to change at all would be unprecedented. Developers dont jump on board anything in year 3, 4 and 5.

[foltzie]

While the debate can rage on about VGchartz methods it should be pointed out that there is general consensus is that there is a 2~3 million console lead for the 360 over the Wii in North America.

Still, good for Nintendo and whoo hoo for competition.

[cyberlian]

I think many gamers are buying either a PS3 & Wii combination or 360 & Wii combination (I decided to go with all three, mainly so I can get all the hd movies I want).

[KingBroly]

Even with Halo coming out, I don't think it'll push a million consoles for the month or something. Even so, Wii will still be leading by the end of the year. Plus, I hear extra Wii's will be in stock next month.

[naes]

I don't understand why people aren't taking the Wii seriously. Even though one could argue that comparing the Wii to the 360/PS3 is comparing apples to oranges, you gotta remember that both apples and oranges are fruit.

[Scobie]

Not only is it too soon to tell who will ultimately be the winner in terms of console sales, it's also too soon to tell if 3rd parties will ever stop using the Wii as a toilet.

[dpatel]

And just when do you figure this will happen? The console lifespan doesnt leave a long window for massive momentum shifts.

There must be a point in the next 3 or 4 years when you might consider conceding that this may not happen, if the trend remains unchanged.

For the first thing, a momentum to change at all would be unprecedented. Developers dont jump on board anything in year 3, 4 and 5.

Probably late 2009 or early 2010. I'm not claiming I am right, I just feel this will be the case. I believe I may have had this discussion with you before. If so, I don't really feel like going over it again. If you believe Wii will continue to go strong, that's fine. I'm not saying you're wrong or that I'm right, I just believe the Wii will lose out in the long run once the 360/PS3 come into their own.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Its just so painful to wait till the very end of a generation to say, yea, I dont think its going to change.

Or as they used to say in the Gamecube era, "Wait for ______"

[dpatel]

Its just so painful to wait till the very end of a generation to say, yea, I dont think its going to change.

Or as they used to say in the Gamecube era, "Wait for ______"

Yea. Whether I am right, or wrong, nobody will care by that time.

[defiance_17]

I guess this doesn't surprise me, but I still can't believe Nintendo has kept these things flying off the shelves this long. With all their big guns staggered out over the next six months or so, it could stay that way, too.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I'll still be around to triumph or lament in the final standings, I assure you. The Wii is going to be the last home console I buy for a very, very long time, so I need developer support to be as robust as possible.

[help1]

Thats a whole lot of Wii's collecting dusts. I know mine is!

[dpatel]

I'll still be around to triumph or lament in the final standings, I assure you. The Wii is going to be the last home console I buy for a very, very long time, so I need developer support to be as robust as possible.

Same for me. I eventually want one just to play the first party titles. Finally get to play Smash Bros and Mario Kart online (something that should've happened last gen. Stupid useless broadband adapter that I bought for nothing. Ah well, netted me a nice profit on ebay).

[Pylis]

Thats a whole lot of Wii's collecting dusts. I know mine is!

Agreed. I've barely touched the thing for months... Unfortunately, the only upcoming games I have any real interest in are the first party titles coming out later this year. The Wii is a novel and exciting idea, but I'm growing concerned that only Nintendo is going to really capitalize on the technology.

[Foolman]

and then, a new Super Mario game comes out. just being objective here-- Master Chief still hasn't quite attained "mario" status yet.
Well, I think you can make a case either way. MS could catch up to Nintendo just because MS might be able to ship more.

[jer7583]

Thats a whole lot of Wii's collecting dusts. I know mine is!

Your statement shows your lack of taste. Nobody who owns a Wii and has a cubic centimeter of good taste could say such a thing this week, with Super Metroid being available.

Sold vs shipped numbers are bunk. What we're talking about is cumulative NPD data, which is the only real hard 3rd party data available about how many systems have been sold. According to that, the Wii is poised to overtake or nearly match the 360 this month.

Of course, the people who still don't take Wii seriously will just disregard those and go with MS numbers. Fine, be in denial. The Wii is here to stay, like it or not. None of your halos or lairs or big budget blockbusters are going to change that. Wii Fit takes all challengers. Mario Galaxy and SSBB wipe up what's left.

[zewone]

Your statement shows your lack of taste. Nobody who owns a Wii and has a cubic centimeter of good taste could say such a thing this week, with Super Metroid being available.

Stop that.

VC games should not count towards a systems "must have/awesome" games.

If that was the case, the PS3 would be blowing everyone out the water with all the great games on the PS1/PS2.

[jer7583]

I make an exception for Super Metroid. What console that has Super Metroid has ever not been awesome? Really. ;)

[Zen Davis]

Stop that.

VC games should not count towards a systems "must have/awesome" games.

If that was the case, the PS3 would be blowing everyone out the water with all the great games on the PS1/PS2.

You mean the Playstation Network? The one where they keep recalling games because they don't work properly? The fact is that there are a load of good games hitting the Wii this fall and winter. Four of them are bound to be considered triple A - Metroid, Mario Galaxy, Brawl, and Zack and Wiki (regardless of how much this last one interests people).

[zewone]

You mean the Playstation Network? The one where they keep recalling games because they don't work properly? The fact is that there are a load of good games hitting the Wii this fall and winter. Four of them are bound to be considered triple A - Metroid, Mario Galaxy, Brawl, and Zack and Wiki (regardless of how much this last one interests people).
No. I don't mean the Playstation Network.

[Pylis]

Wii Fit takes all challengers. Mario Galaxy and SSBB wipe up what's left.

Wii Fit is an interesting idea, but only if properly utilized. The sad truth is that it's very likely to end up as yet another high-potential, under-used expensive peripheral.

Mario Galaxy and SSBB are both games I'll be buying on their respective release dates. They'll both undoubtedly be terrific games, and that's all well and good, but these titles, being published by Nintendo, don't address my primary concern: third-party developers are for the most part not creating worthwhile titles for the system.

Rather than using the Wii's technology to create creative and original, never-before-seen experiences, for many third-party developers the Wii has been relegated to a dumping ground for "Shitty PS2/XBox Port X with Tacked on Wii Remote Controls" and "Shitty, Unoriginal Mini-Game Collection Y." These titles are clearly crafted for making a quick buck by capitalizing on the "party" aspects of the machine, rather than providing solid experiences that build company loyalty and pull new users to the system. To be fair, I'd argue that the behavior of external developers isn't by fault of Nintendo.

With the install base growing, there's definitely a lot to capitalize on if developers are willing to take a chance with an innovative title or solid new intellectual property, but innovation doesn't sell as well as a blockbuster, high budget game backed by a powerhouse graphics engine and marketing hype, and the Wii was not built (in the eyes of developers) to provide a foundation for those types of games. I'm worried because the games I'm looking to purchase for the console are all produced by Nintendo--I'm not really seeing any third-party software that I feel warrants purchase, and I'd be very curious to see the software attachment rate of the Wii versus that of the 360 and PS3.

Don't get me wrong, I don't see the Wii's sales trend slowing any time soon, but I think that third-party support (and lack thereof) presents a legitimate risk to the ultimate success of the system.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I dont think anyone will be able to compete with the 360 attach rate. The way their community works is fantastic for software sales.

The competing platforms arent built around online as much, so they have no hope of achieving that kind of uniformity.

[Zen Davis]

No. I don't mean the Playstation Network.

Oh. I guess you didn't know. Well let me help you out. They have this thing that lets you download old games from the PSX which is pretty comparable to what the Virtual Console Nintendo is offering... except with less games... and with more games that aren't good.

[zewone]

Oh. I guess you didn't know. Well let me help you out. They have this thing that lets you download old games from the PSX which is pretty comparable to what the Virtual Console Nintendo is offering... except with less games... and with more games that aren't good.
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

As I said, I was not talking about the PSN.

See, they have thing thing on the PS3. It's called a Blu-Ray drive, and when you insert a PS1 or PS2 into it, it allows you to play them.

[magiic]

http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comics/2007-05-14.png

ROFL

[bardockkun]

Honestly, I rather 360 be winning simply because of collection of games are solid these days and those are the games I rather be seeing as opposed to more friggin mini games. Since basically a drought of good games on the Wii (that aren't VC) basically until Metroid and basically slowly there after.

Besides why do we keep associating Nintendo with next gen? Didn't they constantly keep saying they're not in the next gen war? They just want to get a new age range of gamers and what not? Hell I'm suprised no Sony or Microsoft fanboys even use that as an excuse "Nintendo doesn't count, theyre not even next gen. They said so themselves."

[evilmax17]

Besides why do we keep associating Nintendo with next gen? Didn't they constantly keep saying they're not in the next gen war? They just want to get a new age range of gamers and what not? Hell I'm suprised no Sony or Microsoft fanboys even use that as an excuse "Nintendo doesn't count, theyre not even next gen. They said so themselves."
Nintendo is as much "new-gen" as the DS is a "third pillar". It's all PR speak, and it doesn't actually mean much of anything.

[Apossum]

You mean the Playstation Network? The one where they keep recalling games because they don't work properly? The fact is that there are a load of good games hitting the Wii this fall and winter. Four of them are bound to be considered triple A - Metroid, Mario Galaxy, Brawl, and Zack and Wiki (regardless of how much this last one interests people).


just to quickly go off topic-- what have they recalled? I hope it's nothing I own.

[zewone]

just to quickly go off topic-- what have they recalled? I hope it's nothing I own.
Off the top of my head I can remember Spyro, but there was actually quite a few games they took off.

[A Happy Panda]

Thats a whole lot of Wii's collecting dusts. I know mine is!

Yeah no shit. I let my cousins borrow my Wii a month or so ago, I haven't even taken it out of the messenger bag since I got it back from them. The thing is sitting under my bed as I type this. I also haven't turned it on since I think about April.

I thought about taking it out for Super Metroid...then I bought Bioshock.

But next week when I pick up Metroid Prime 3, I'll definitely drag out the Wii for that game. Then when Halo comes out, both Bioshock AND Metroid Prime will be ignored like red-headed step children.

[Jon Rose]

Wii Fit is an interesting idea, but only if properly utilized. The sad truth is that it's very likely to end up as yet another high-potential, under-used expensive peripheral.

I'm not so sure about that. We're no longer in the era of the powerpad and "fitness" games being glorified Track 'n' Field deals. Yourself! Fitness was surprisingly (refreshingly!) functional, and i think the only reason it didn't see widespread use was because it was only released for the PC and Xbox -- platforms you can't rightfully imagine as having a widespread appeal. If Wii Fit is anywhere near as and well done as Yourself! Fitness, i can very easily see it as being a solid seller given the Wii's nature of being a family console.

With the install base growing, there's definitely a lot to capitalize on if developers are willing to take a chance with an innovative title or solid new intellectual property, but innovation doesn't sell as well as a blockbuster, high budget game backed by a powerhouse graphics engine and marketing hype, and the Wii was not built (in the eyes of developers) to provide a foundation for those types of games. I'm worried because the games I'm looking to purchase for the console are all produced by Nintendo--I'm not really seeing any third-party software that I feel warrants purchase, and I'd be very curious to see the software attachment rate of the Wii versus that of the 360 and PS3.

Iffy information i've collected so far suggests that most people just buy one game when purchasing a system.

Two things to remember are that the 360 had jack shit for a while after its launch, relying on rather pathetic Live Arcade offerings. It took about a year for the 360 to get up to speed, and if cheap bullshit like Geometry Wars can float a brick like the 360, i'm not that worried about the Wii.

The other is that Nintendo now has time; MS can't afford to rush into another console if they actually want the Xbox division to be profitable, and Sony can't rush into a new console period. I think that if they aren't rushing into bigger hardware every 3-5 years, developers have time to figure out how to use the Wii, and publishers have time to get their head screwed on right and realize that maybe their profits would look better if they didn't cater specifically to a demographic that's used to conventional console game dogma. Actually, i think the net benefit of this generation's consoles is that everyone will take the time to learn how to work with what's available.

The flipside to that is that they'll also have to learn that they can't just toss out minigames. Normally they'd get discouraged and think that nothing can be done, because they're that stupid. But, i think with Nintendo and a few others showing that it can be used for more than throwaway fluff, they'll have to acknowledge that they just need to do a better job and come up with something more innovative.

Ultimately, you're right. The Wii's competition essentially is not with the other two consoles. It's with the industry itself.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

As I said, I was not talking about the PSN.

See, they have thing thing on the PS3. It's called a Blu-Ray drive, and when you insert a PS1 or PS2 into it, it allows you to play them.

GameStop also has this thing where they've removed the bins of PSX games from most stores. Being able to play the media from previous generations is nice only when you have easy access to that media. Being able to play PS2 games matters a little less when people likely already have a PS2, and on top of that still have a few reasons to keep it around.

[zewone]

GameStop also has this thing where they've removed the bins of PSX games from most stores. Being able to play the media from previous generations is nice only when you have easy access to that media. Being able to play PS2 games matters a little less when people likely already have a PS2, and on top of that still have a few reasons to keep it around.
The internet has this thing where you can buy pretty much anything and everything. It's called eBay (www.ebay.com). You should check it out sometime.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I believe it is the case that Microsoft's own research on BC use is that its something like 12%. Its a nice bullet point on the box, but I dont know how important it really is for sales.

[botticus]

Not only is it too soon to tell who will ultimately be the winner in terms of console sales, it's also too soon to tell if 3rd parties will ever stop using the Wii as a toilet.Also too soon to tell if 3rd parties are even needed (for sales purposes, not for gamer-happiness).

[Dr Mario Kart]

No, the precedent is that no console has enjoyed majority marketshare without good 3rd party support.

That may leave the question of whether or not they DRIVE the sales or just hitch a ride, but the relationship is there.

[rajchakrabarti]

I'm just hoping there will other stuff to play... (asides from the typical nintendo line up .. mario, metriod, link, smash bros)

[botticus]

No, the precedent is that no console has enjoyed majority marketshare without good 3rd party support.

That may leave the question of whether or not they DRIVE the sales or just hitch a ride, but the relationship is there.Well, people are looking for good third party games. Hitching a ride with a large number of shitty games as has been standard so far is not the expectation.

[mogamer]

Backwards Compatability does matter to me. But I know that I'm an exception. I didn't own a PSX, so when I bought my PS2 I picked up a ton of PSX games. Same thing with the X360. I didn't own a Xbox, so I've picked up a ton of those games.

[thegarageband]

This topic needs more tits.
http://www.dfanning.com/adventures/munich/munich_pics/great_tits.jpg

[Nearo]

Take out Japan and how do the stats look? In english speaking markets, the wii will never hit #1, not that it matters. The good news for wii owners that enjoy decidely different content- the Japanese numbers indicate that japanese developers will be creating content. So for all of you that appreciate the horse racing simulators (anyone?) or the japanese cartoon stuff (including rpg's), congrats!! For the more "adult" oriented stuff - medieval adventure, realistic sci fi, HD, etc. who's your big daddy? (pun intended). I'll admit that there will be a few first party gems (zelda, mario, metriod), but what console doesn't have 'em?. BTW, if you're really into BC stuff, you can pick up an xbox and set it up so that it can play every, NES, SNES, GENESIS, AMIGA, etc. etc.... I have seen this, however few that have the ability pull up these games when they have newer stuff to play. Has anyone playing in HD found that some of the awesome graphics from PS2 and XBOX days look dated? It's hard to go back....

Last point- I think that Halo will drive sales of the 360. I have 2 friends that are waiting to get a 360 based on the next Halo release (they currently play Halo 2 online quite a bit). The same will be true of the PS3 and Wii when their first party blockbusters eventually make it out, even if years from now (GOW 3, Zelda X.....)

[Jon Rose]

The internet has this thing where you can buy pretty much anything and everything. It's called eBay (http://www.ebay.com). You should check it out sometime.

If you're going to act like a catty bitch, at least come back with a better rebuttal. Or at least one where i don't need to quote what i just said, but with a bold, 20-point font.

[Jon Rose]

So for all of you that appreciate the horse racing simulators (anyone?) or the japanese cartoon stuff (including rpg's), congrats!! For the more "adult" oriented stuff - medieval adventure, realistic sci fi, HD, etc. who's your big daddy? (pun intended).

Pun retarded.

Really? There's a big distinctive line of maturity drawn between horse racing simulators and medieval adventure? You're going with that? Because i'm really glad to know the jumping off point for adult oriented games starts at fighting aliens with 'roid-riddled marines who swear a lot and have chainsaws attatched to their machineguns. As envisioned by someone who used to dress like one of the dudes from Night at the Roxbury.

[Foolman]

Take out Japan and how do the stats look?

Wii is beating the 360 in every market every month.
The good news for wii owners that enjoy decidely different content- the Japanese numbers indicate that japanese developers will be creating content. So for all of you that appreciate the horse racing simulators (anyone?) or the japanese cartoon stuff (including rpg's), congrats!!

Oh c'mon. If you ask around you'll see that some of the most anticipated titles are from Japanese companies: Super Mario Galaxy, Metal Gear Solid 4, Silent Hill, Super Smash Bros Brawl, Devil May Cry, Lost Odyssey, Final Fantasy. Western developers and not better than eastern developers and eastern developers are not better than western developers. Great games come from all over the world.
For the more "adult" oriented stuff - medieval adventure, realistic sci fi, HD, etc. who's your big daddy? (pun intended).

That is such bullshit.
I'll admit that there will be a few first party gems (zelda, mario, metriod), but what console doesn't have 'em?.

So after dismissing Nintendo's first party, you go on to mention that your friends are interested in Halo...BTW, if you're really into BC stuff, you can pick up an xbox and set it up so that it can play every, NES, SNES, GENESIS, AMIGA, etc. etc....
Lets keep it legal.
I have seen this, however few that have the ability pull up these games when they have newer stuff to play. Has anyone playing in HD found that some of the awesome graphics from PS2 and XBOX days look dated? It's hard to go back....

I play my 360 games in HD, but my PS2 still gets most of my time. It's not hard to go back at all.

Last point- I think that Halo will drive sales of the 360. I have 2 friends that are waiting to get a 360 based on the next Halo release (they currently play Halo 2 online quite a bit). The same will be true of the PS3 and Wii when their first party blockbusters eventually make it out, even if years from now (GOW 3, Zelda X.....)
Both the PS3 and Wii have great games this fall that will drive sales. They aren't just coming out "years from now."

[Zen Davis]

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

As I said, I was not talking about the PSN.

See, they have thing thing on the PS3. It's called a Blu-Ray drive, and when you insert a PS1 or PS2 into it, it allows you to play them.

Apparently 2+2 doesn't equal 4 in your universe. You're attempting to compare the Virtual Console service to owning actual discs with the PS3 when a more appropriate analogy would have used Gamecube discs, not the virtual console. If you're going to compare the Virtual Console, do it against the downloadable game service the PS3 offers or the XBLA. *shakes head*

http://www.gamepositive.com/news/55

Anyway, I believe Midevil was one game that was 'recalled'. There were some others I think but can't remember what they were.

[Zen Davis]

The internet has this thing where you can buy pretty much anything and everything. It's called eBay (http://www.ebay.com). You should check it out sometime.

Not for casual gamers (or how Nintendo learned to stop worrying and win the console race [circa 2006-2009]).

And the sarcasm thing is making you come across as a total douchebag who isn't putting any thought into his posts. Whatever.

[A Happy Panda]

Not for casual gamers (or how Nintendo learned to stop worrying and win the console race [circa 2006-2009]).

And the sarcasm thing is making you come across as a total douchebag who isn't putting any thought into his posts. Whatever.

I'll have to agree. The guy made a valid argument about the lack of availability of PSX games.

[Zen Davis]

2007 Wii Schedule - List skipped some games that I personally deemed not worthy of notice (aka Petz Catz 2, Petz Dogz 2, and Petz Horsez 2 - May the Horsez forgive me.)

Carnival Games
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 08
My Sims
Dance Dance Revolution: Hottest Party Bundle
Dewy's Adventure with Bonus!
Mercury Meltdown: Revolution
Donkey Kong: Barrel Blast
Bleach: The Shattered Blade
FIFA Soccer 08 with Bonus!
NBA Live 08
Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords
Tony Hawk's Proving Ground
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbados
EA Playground
The Sims 2: Castaway
Naruto: Clash of Ninja Revolution
Rockstar Games Table Tennis
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock with Guitar with Bonus!
Battalion Wars 2
Need for Speed: Pro Street
The Simpsons Game
Fire Emblem
Harvest Moon Wii
Super Swing Golf Season 2
Geometry Wars: Galaxies
Ghost Squad
LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga
Medal of Honor Heroes 2
My Word Coach
Super Mario Galaxy
Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3
Godzilla Unleashed
NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams
Nitrobike
Rayman Raving Rabbids 2
Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles
Smarty Pants
Soul Calibur Legends
Trauma Center: New Blood
Spongebob: Atlantis Squarepantis
WWE Smackdown vs Raw 2008
Mario and Sonic: Olympic Games
Super Smash Bros Brawl
MX vs ATV: Untamed

[BattleChicken]

You Wiitard douchebags.. STFU U and Ur Kiddy syztem. Have fun with ur spongebob game.

P$3... tards.. U and Ur stupid Blu rayz. I hope u get cancer n00b. Enjoy just playing Motorstorm.

ZOMG!! 360 iz sucky computr -- Halo suks, Like UR MOM!

...

Why does it fucking matter who wins? The reality is we all win by having variety in the marketplace...

[jer7583]

This topic is about sales, thanks. And thanks also for that list, Zen Davis. I didn't know the Simpsons Game was coming out for Wii. Looking forward to that now.

Some of us are interested in sales numbers, If you're not, that's okay. Grow up.

[Foolman]

Dreamcast comeback!

And jer beat me: It's a sales thread. We like talking about sales.

[A Happy Panda]

I'm confused why he's posting pics of DC games...

[spiwak]

It's probably going to happen before too long but until I see some official word I won't expect it to happen. Either way, good for Nintendo and the consumers who've already put their trust in the product, as this will no doubt further increase 3rd party support.

[botticus]

I'm confused why he's posting pics of DC games...GameStop's excellent system of reusing SKUs and not updating box art.

There won't be any press releases until the movement is clear, I'm sure. It would be kinda silly for Nintendo to put out a press release next month that they have the largest install base, then Microsoft being able to narrowly take back the title before the end of the year due to system sellers and more available stock, giving them the chance for PR of their own.

Maybe once year-end sales are in, there will be official word. Unofficially, November will be the key - how much does the 360 sell, and how much can Nintendo stock.

[Zen Davis]

I'm confused why he's posting pics of DC games...
EB games is linked to those images for some reason. I cleared them out.

Also, the list is in chronological order as of this time. Either way, for everyone yelling that the Wii has no games coming out, between Mario Galaxy, Metroid, Smash Bros., Zack and Wiki, Batallion Wars 2, Endless Ocean, Dewy's Adventure, Naruto: Clash of the Ninja, Fire Emblem, Geometry Wars: Galaxies, NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams, Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles, Trauma Center: New Blood, Mario and Sonic: Olympic Games, and Super Smash Bros Brawl, even if you bought 40% of those games, you would have a mighty fine 2007 game collection.

All together those games would cost 720$ retail. Aside from working in any deals, that's more than what most of us can afford. It's clear that the games are there. Perhaps not the money in our bank accounts needed to those games, but the games themselves are definitely there.

[jkam]

I'm happy for Nintendo but I also own a 360 so it doesn't really mean too much to me who "Wins". I might also grab a PS3 at some point.

One thing bothers me though is this:

3rd party developers are all a bunch of straight up douchebags. Why? They don't give a shit about the Wii. Now you have these great looking and great playing games like Gears of War on the 360 but when it comes to the Wii they go oh "It's underpowered." Underpowered to what exactly? The 360? Well yeah it is. Here's an idea, imagine you are making a game for the Wii and not the 360!!!! See how easy that was?

I realize everyone wants to push the eye candy around but the PS2 gave us God of War 2 and the Gamecube gave us Resident Evil 4 which to me could be on the 360 or the PS3 and people would be "ok" with it. Yes those games might get trumped by say Bioshock or Gears but I'm pretty fucking sure we could get some shit that looks good on the Wii.

It wouldn't be so bad if developers just said "We would prefer to push the 360 or the PS3 over the Wii". Don't try and bullshit me when the machine is way more capable then the crap that's been delivered.

[the3rdkey]

I hope all three do good. I have all three and I want good games!!! And, the end of this year is going to own my wallet.

It has already started...

Bioshock

MP3

Heavenly Sword

Phantom Naked Gurlz Glass (DS)

[Sc4rfac3]

You Wiitard douchebags.. STFU U and Ur Kiddy syztem. Have fun with ur spongebob game.

P$3... tards.. U and Ur stupid Blu rayz. I hope u get cancer n00b. Enjoy just playing Motorstorm.

ZOMG!! 360 iz sucky computr -- Halo suks, Like UR MOM!

...

Why does it fucking matter who wins? The reality is we all win by having variety in the marketplace...
QFT

[jer7583]

I think the most interesting thing about all of this is who would have seen this coming 5 years ago? After the gamecube, who would have thought Nintendo would be winning over Sony and MS this generation?

[Zen Davis]

I think the most interesting thing about all of this is who would have seen this coming 5 years ago? After the gamecube, who would have thought Nintendo would be winning over Sony and MS this generation?

I think even as far back as 2 years ago, the thought of Nintendo rolling into the top spot around the world was thought as impossible. Remember the Nintendo is going to stop making game consoles and the they're going to merge with Apple rumors? Their brand name value had sunk through the basement and right into the septic tank.

[A Happy Panda]

I think the most interesting thing about all of this is who would have seen this coming 5 years ago? After the gamecube, who would have thought Nintendo would be winning over Sony and MS this generation?

Mmm. Maybe winning in the numbers, but I think the core gamer, most CAGs including myself, have been severely disappointed in the Wii, and just about every person I know in RL really. This won't last long though as their holiday line-up looks solid with Mario and Super Smash.

If you asked me, in terms of enjoyment, 360 or the DS is winning that front and I'd say Wii is last.

[WiiGame]

whooohooo! and wii has been out the shortest amount of time. if there weren't shortages there would def be some major ownage going on. Wii would have been like 14-15 million for sure.

[VanillaGorilla]

I own a 360, and like the games on it/coming out for it. That's all I care about.

[benjamouth]

This doesn't really surprise me, I just bought a Wii for my Dad for his birthday, but I doubt he'll buy any more games for it.

The Wii will never have the attach rate that the 360 does, and I must say mine sits idle for the majority of the time.

Nintendo had a great idea appealing to the majority of people instead of the minority of "Hardcore" gamers, but I think they'll take a hit on how many games they sell.

I don't think the Wii will "win" this generation, it's under-powered and will never have the software support the 360 does.

[Apossum]

what time will the npd go up today?

[botticus]

what time will the npd go up today?Afternoonish, methinks?

Edit: Released at 4pm, IGN will probably have something around then. GAF will have stuff up around 6:30.

[lordxixor101]

I'm happy for Nintendo but I also own a 360 so it doesn't really mean too much to me who "Wins". I might also grab a PS3 at some point.

One thing bothers me though is this:

3rd party developers are all a bunch of straight up douchebags. Why? They don't give a shit about the Wii. Now you have these great looking and great playing games like Gears of War on the 360 but when it comes to the Wii they go oh "It's underpowered." Underpowered to what exactly? The 360? Well yeah it is. Here's an idea, imagine you are making a game for the Wii and not the 360!!!! See how easy that was?

I.

Decent idea here, but there is an issue. Tech industry traditionally likes powerful systems. It isn't even that the Wii is just the weakest of the new systems, it's as much that it just has a last gen power feel. Do most people care, no, but people making games will.

Now, couple this with a strange controller that doesn't work like the other systems, and a reputation that Nintendo games are the only thing that sell on Nintendo systems.

Add all this up, and it doesn't surprise me that developers aren't rushing to the Wii. Don't worry, as the sales grow, they will become unignorable, and developers will be forced to build games with the Wii in mind. This really isn't a bad thing, I think next gen, all the systems will likely have a Wii style control.

For Benja,

Decent idea. Your right, the average Wii owner might spend less than the average 360 owner on the console. But, I think this is expected when you reach out to a new market. They are reaching for a market that doesn't normally play, you can't expect them to spend as much as people who have been gaming for years. But, long term, Nintendo is building it's brand around the Wii. In 6 years, when it's time to buy a new console, those Wii only owners will be looking for the new Nintendo console, and Microsoft and Sony will have a hard time (painted as the hard core gamer machines) of winning that business.

Also, when your making great margins on your system, you don't need the system attach rate to be profitable. When your taking a loss on your system (MS, Sony) then attach rate is critical.

[javeryh]

It really is remarkable that the Wii has sold so well considering when they unveiled it I was like WTF are they smoking over there? That said, I am sort of disappointed by the console so far and I don't really see it getting any better outside of Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy. I liked Wii Sports as a diversion and I LOVE Zelda and Resident Evil 4 but that's about it. The VC doesn't appeal to me at all because I've played all of those games to death already (unless they start releasing original content - SMB4, anyone?). I also get the feeling that they no longer give a shit what someone like me thinks of the direction they are headed... oh well. I'll enjoy the 2-3 AAA games a year anyway.

[zewone]

If you're going to act like a catty bitch, at least come back with a better rebuttal. Or at least one where i don't need to quote what i just said, but with a bold, 20-point font.

Apparently 2+2 doesn't equal 4 in your universe. You're attempting to compare the Virtual Console service to owning actual discs with the PS3 when a more appropriate analogy would have used Gamecube discs, not the virtual console. If you're going to compare the Virtual Console, do it against the downloadable game service the PS3 offers or the XBLA. *shakes head*

http://www.gamepositive.com/news/55

Anyway, I believe Midevil was one game that was 'recalled'. There were some others I think but can't remember what they were.

Not for casual gamers (or how Nintendo learned to stop worrying and win the console race [circa 2006-2009]).

And the sarcasm thing is making you come across as a total douchebag who isn't putting any thought into his posts. Whatever.

I still don't know why we're even discussing this. As I said, I wasn't talking about the PSN, and I could care less what's on the VC.

It's just my opinion, that we should not count games that were not designed/made for the current system as exclusive games that make it a worthwhile purchase.

That's all I was talking about, and you drag in to some bullshit discussion about whatever the hell you guys are talking about.

I don't see how eBay isn't a geniune answer to the guy's claim that he can not find PS1 games to play. If you really want a game, it's out there.

[BustaUppa]

Besides why do we keep associating Nintendo with next gen? Didn't they constantly keep saying they're not in the next gen war? They just want to get a new age range of gamers and what not? Hell I'm suprised no Sony or Microsoft fanboys even use that as an excuse "Nintendo doesn't count, theyre not even next gen. They said so themselves."Ehhh, well they DID say that, but I think everyone knew from day one that the comparisons were gonna happen anyway. Now that Wii sales have turned out to be spectacular, I'm sure we'll be hearing less and less of the "we're not competition" rhetoric from Nintendo's end (and more and more of it from their competitors).

[elwood731]

I think even as far back as 2 years ago, the thought of Nintendo rolling into the top spot around the world was thought as impossible. Remember the Nintendo is going to stop making game consoles and the they're going to merge with Apple rumors? Their brand name value had sunk through the basement and right into the septic tank.
I would argue that even a year ago we didn't see THIS coming. Nintendo on top? Still unable to find them easily in stores? The whole gaming world got turned on its head...literally. Sony went from first to last. Nintendo from last to first. And MS stayed firmly in second place. That's sort of what makes gaming fun. It's constantly shifting and you're always going to be surprised by something.

[Zen Davis]

I still don't know why we're even discussing this. As I said, I wasn't talking about the PSN, and I could care less what's on the VC.

It's just my opinion, that we should not count games that were not designed/made for the current system as exclusive games that make it a worthwhile purchase.

That's all I was talking about, and you drag in to some bullshit discussion about whatever the hell you guys are talking about.

I don't see how eBay isn't a geniune answer to the guy's claim that he can not find PS1 games to play. If you really want a game, it's out there.

Because the casual user uses B&M not Ebay.

[zewone]

Because the casual user uses B&M not Ebay.
Okay, that's fine.

That doesn't mean that eBay is not an option.

[help1]

Yeah no shit. I let my cousins borrow my Wii a month or so ago, I haven't even taken it out of the messenger bag since I got it back from them. The thing is sitting under my bed as I type this. I also haven't turned it on since I think about April.

I thought about taking it out for Super Metroid...then I bought Bioshock.

But next week when I pick up Metroid Prime 3, I'll definitely drag out the Wii for that game. Then when Halo comes out, both Bioshock AND Metroid Prime will be ignored like red-headed step children.

With Madden 08 and Bioshock sitting on my doorstep waiting for me to come back from vacation, I have decided to just skip Metriod Prime 3 and save my money for Brawl.

Agreed. I've barely touched the thing for months... Unfortunately, the only upcoming games I have any real interest in are the first party titles coming out later this year. The Wii is a novel and exciting idea, but I'm growing concerned that only Nintendo is going to really capitalize on the technology.

I agree with this statement. I can't say I expected much else though, since I bought the Wii with Mario games in mind. On my list I have Brawl and Mario Kart planned for purchases, but with such a large line up of games out coming out for the 360, I'm afraid those won't get as much play as I would like. Hopefully Mario Kart will be like the last, where you beat it and forget it.

It doesn't help that Halo 3 is where all my friends will be at, and with four player co-op, I'll be spending even more time with this title!

Your statement shows your lack of taste. Nobody who owns a Wii and has a cubic centimeter of good taste could say such a thing this week, with Super Metroid being available.

Sold vs shipped numbers are bunk. What we're talking about is cumulative NPD data, which is the only real hard 3rd party data available about how many systems have been sold. According to that, the Wii is poised to overtake or nearly match the 360 this month.

Of course, the people who still don't take Wii seriously will just disregard those and go with MS numbers. Fine, be in denial. The Wii is here to stay, like it or not. None of your halos or lairs or big budget blockbusters are going to change that. Wii Fit takes all challengers. Mario Galaxy and SSBB wipe up what's left.

I'm not saying that it isn't here to stay. It WILL be the winner this generation, with the most units sold. I am just saying that its a novelty and boring right now. You claim that Mario Galaxy and SSBB are going to 'clean house' and they will, but they are big budget blockbusters too! That makes them no different then your 'halos.'

HOWEVER, I have an opinion, and my opinion is that if I have the choice to play the 360 or SSBB, im going straight to Halo, Bioshock, Mass Effect, COD4 or what ever else is on the 360. In my opinion, you have bad taste if you choose the other option. I would play SSBB with some local multiplayer though, because the Wii does 'wipe up' in that field.

[Zen Davis]

Okay, that's fine.

That doesn't mean that eBay is not an option.

It's not for a majority of people.

[seanr1221]

Cool. Now show me the good 3rd party games Nintendo.

[The Crotch]

Cool. Now show me the good 3rd party games Nintendo.

...

Shit, I've got nothin'.

[seanr1221]

...

Shit, I've got nothin'.

Would it make you feel better if I said good, exclusive 3rd party games?

[A Happy Panda]

Would it make you feel better if I said good, exclusive 3rd party games?

If you said 3rd party games in general we might have something...

Zak & Wiki for instance...and....and.....uhhh..

[The Crotch]

Would it make you feel better if I said good, exclusive 3rd party games?Actually, it was the bit where you asked Nintendo for 3rd party games. Kinda hard for them to make 3rd party games these days.

As for good, exclusive 3rd party games?

...

Daroga really liked Sonic.

If you drop "exclusive", you can add RE4, Godfather, Scarface, Trauma Center, Rayman, Madden (seriously), and Monkey Ball. Some of those are stretching your definition of "good", though.

[seanr1221]

I guess I should have worded that differently. But I'm sure you knew what I meant.

...

I have Daroga's Sonic ;)

[The Crotch]

I just wanted to be difficult.

Also, I've heard pretty good things about Elebits. Coulda used a few more months, but still good.

[Deadpool]

I don't understand why people aren't taking the Wii seriously. Even though one could argue that comparing the Wii to the 360/PS3 is comparing apples to oranges, you gotta remember that both apples and oranges are fruit.

It's because so far the games for the wii are mainly a joke.

[hohez]

I love all the talk about Nintendo not being Microsoft or Sony's competition. Well I can tell you last year during the holidays, my $500 spent on gaming went to Nintendo instead of to the 360 or PSP and games I would have gotten instead.

Of course that probably worked out for the better since now when I do get a psp and/or 360 I'll get newer technology.

[Foolman]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a177/ZealousDemon/mattsezwiisellsaregud.jpg

Edit: Matt edited his post, clarifying "Xbox 360, the nearest next-gen console competitor"

So we might assume...

Wii
DS
PS2
PSP
360
PS3
GBA
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=7540636

[Moxio]

Funny, since I can't find a Wii around here for the life of me.

[dracula]

i dont know about this generation of console games, but nintendo has dominated the handheld marketplace for the past 20 years and the GBA/DS is their real moneymaker.

I think the xbox really needs a huge price break, and then it will sel extremely well with the casual gamers. If the xbox premium drops to $250 then that would make things really interesting.

[Kaijufan]

Cool. Now show me the good 3rd party games Nintendo.
How is Nintendo going to force 3ed parties to develop games for the Wii?

[botticus]

NPD is about to get epic. If Wii outsells everything and 360 outsells PS3 still... wow.

[Predator21281]

This will be interesting. After Halo comes out the 360 will shoot up in sales. Then Super Mario Galaxy and Super Smash Brothers Brawl will come out and I imagine the same thing will happen with that too.

The 360's main system seller is Halo. Yes it does have many great games, but that's the one game thatwill sell this system. Maybe Gears of War did that to a lesser extent, but Halo is the one that will be driving sales.

I say whoever wins Christmas of this year will win this gen.

edit/ I'm still amazed that the Wii sold as much as it did, honestly. All of the games it has now are mostly mini-game types.

[k9homan]

Here are the numbers compiled by GAF:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=169308&highlight=takeover

Where's the numbers for the rest of the world? like China, Korea, Latin America?

[botticus]

Where's the numbers for the rest of the world? like China, Korea, Latin America?Pretty much insignificant.

[io]

HOWEVER, I have an opinion, and my opinion is that if I have the choice to play the 360 or SSBB, im going straight to Halo, Bioshock, Mass Effect, COD4 or what ever else is on the 360. In my opinion, you have bad taste if you choose the other option. I would play SSBB with some local multiplayer though, because the Wii does 'wipe up' in that field.

OK, this pisses me off a bit. I realize it's YOUR opinion, but in MY OPINION shooters are "bad taste" common-denominator games and every one of those that you would play is one ;). They're all the same genre. If you like that, great, but just remember that not everyone does. I'll take Mario Galaxy any day over those, even if they were given to me free. Now, that doesn't mean I won't try Bioshock or Mass Effect as I can enjoy them to a certain amount (I have no interest in the others though). Anyway, sorry, I'm grumpy today and the "bad taste" thing really got to me... Carry on...

Edit - And just to give some props to the 360, I wouldn't necessarily claim that the Wii "wipes up" with local multiplayer to be honest (beyond Wii Sports in any case). Some of the best local multiplayer fun I've had with my boys this summer has been Bomberman Live on XBLA. Sure, we have Mario Party 8 and it's OK, but I hope more stuff comes out for the 360 that supports 3 or 4 player local play.

[elmyra]

After Halo comes out the 360 will shoot up in sales. Then Super Mario Galaxy and Super Smash Brothers Brawl will come out and I imagine the same thing will happen with that too.
How on Earth could Wii sales shoot up after those games are released? They're already selling out every shipment!

[Zoglog]

Britney Spears albums sell more than Cut Chemist albums... doesn't mean It makes Britney Spears worth listening to over Cut Chemist. People need to just congrats the Wii on great sales and stop this stupid fanboy comparison bullshit. Go fuck yourselves. It's like you tards are in a pissing contest with other people's dicks.

[Zen Davis]

Britney Spears albums sell more than Cut Chemist albums... doesn't mean It makes Britney Spears worth listening to over Cut Chemist. People need to just congrats the Wii on great sales and stop this stupid fanboy comparison bullshit. Go fuck yourselves. It's like you tards are in a pissing contest with other people's dicks.
Should someone call the waambulance for you? And Cut Chemist is just as bad as Britney.

[kromekoran]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=7540636

ok, I waited to see if anyone else would say something...but did no one else notice that whoever took that screenshot was browsing IGN as well as TrannySurprise?

and link quoted asks for a login to NeoGaf, and I couldn't register because they don't accept @yahoo.com email addresses.

[A Happy Panda]

ok, I waited to see if anyone else would say something...but did no one else notice that whoever took that screenshot was browsing IGN as well as TrannySurprise?

and link quoted asks for a login to NeoGaf, and I couldn't register because they don't accept @yahoo.com email addresses.

TrannySurprise is an ongoing NeoGAF joke. Whenever they take print screens, they always have a browser open to Trannysurprise.

[kromekoran]

ah, well that explains it.

[SL4IN]

I have to say the wii's numbers are really impressive, especially taking over the 360 in total sales and the console hasn't even been out a year yet. congrats nintendo.

[Zoglog]

Should someone call the waambulance for you? And Cut Chemist is just as bad as Britney.

if that makes you feel better about your pathetic self.

[Chacrana]

Britney Spears albums sell more than Cut Chemist albums... doesn't mean It makes Britney Spears worth listening to over Cut Chemist. People need to just congrats the Wii on great sales and stop this stupid fanboy comparison bullshit. Go fuck yourselves. It's like you tards are in a pissing contest with other people's dicks.

Wow. I did find this humorous.

[tehweezner]

this has probably been said already, but wii and 360 cater to very different audiences. i don't think msoft should worry too much.

it's not like halo3 or GTA4 are going to be ported to the wii... or will they?

[Dr Mario Kart]

Its prefectly alright to fall back on the position that numbers dont matter, but then your business in a sales numbers thread is greatly reduced.

Do system sales numbers have an effect on whether or not the games are worthwhile?

Actually yes, they do. Indirectly.

Lets say that the xbox1 has a good to bad games ratio that is TWICE as high as the PS2. But the PS2 has a library 10x the size, so overall, it has more worthwhile games.

Now what influences developer resource allocation? Marketshare.

The music industry isnt analogous to HARDWARE sales. It is more analogous to SOFTWARE sales. Britney Spears outselling ____ doesnt make it any better than if 50 cent the game outsells _____.

But the music industry platform is universal, CDs. They dont need to compete on multiple, incompatible platforms.



In other news: Certified by neogaf, using only official numbers:
Worldwide numbers

Wii

Australia - 138,192
Europe - 2,870,000
Japan - 3,424,139
Canada - 313,956
US - 3,615,000

TOTAL - 10,361,287
______

360
Australia - 195,056
Europe - 3,250,000
Japan - 402,381
Canada - 403,500
US - 5,950,000

TOTAL - 10,200,937
_____

PS3

Australia: 66,503
Europe - 1,300,000
Japan - 1,085,019
Canada - 84,584
US - 1,609,000

TOTAL - 4,145,106
--

Sources (last update):
Japan - Media Create (August 19)
US - NPD (July numbers)
Canada - NPD (July numbers)
Australia - August 2007
Europe - August 2007

[Jon Rose]

This is actually the least fanboy-ish discussion on the subject i've ever seen on a forum.

Decent idea here, but there is an issue. Tech industry traditionally likes powerful systems. It isn't even that the Wii is just the weakest of the new systems, it's as much that it just has a last gen power feel. Do most people care, no, but people making games will.

Now, couple this with a strange controller that doesn't work like the other systems, and a reputation that Nintendo games are the only thing that sell on Nintendo systems.

People making games will care, but i think in a different way. The thing most people forget is that the continued leaps in console power require more and more resources to use. More resources means more cost to develop.

The industry is reaching a breaking point in how much they can spend developing a title vs. how much they can make off it. Even publishers are realizing this in their own strange, roundabout, semi-misguided way, as is evident in the buzz about games for mobile phones and such.

[rickonker]

Wii vs. PS2 is a better comparison than Wii vs. 360.

[foltzie]

Wii vs. PS2 is a better comparison than Wii vs. 360.

And it still sold 200,000 more units in June.

[rickonker]

And it still sold 200,000 more units in June.
I know, I didn't say their sales numbers were close.

[Zen Davis]

if that makes you feel better about your pathetic self.

Hey just because I don't listen to shitty music doesn't make pathetic. But I forgive you for your mistake. Friends?

Anyway. Between USA and Japan, the Wii sold roughly 843,000 Nintendo Wiis. The 360 sold 217,000. If this trend continues, Nintendo will be outselling the 360 by 626,000 units every single month, not counting Europe since I didn't feel like looking for those numbers.

At this point publishers will be crazy to not put more games in the pipeline for the Wii. I expect 2008 to be completely and utterly stacked in terms of the games coming out for the Wii.

[elwood731]

At this point publishers will be crazy to not put more games in the pipeline for the Wii. I expect 2008 to be completely and utterly stacked in terms of the games coming out for the Wii.
Yes, but will they be good games? Sure, up until now most 3rd party titles have been terrible, but we could blame that on publishers rushing to get anything out in order to cash in on the Wii's popularity. Now that they've had more time to develop, and the Wii no longer appears just a passing fad, will they spend the time and effort to make AAA titles? I'm still not sure they will. The Wii looks to be the perfect opportunity for a small developer to make a name for themselves.

[buttle]

i'm so amazed that the wii hasn't let up in sales. and this last month npd had the wii even beating ds. just crazy. i'm assuming that that all these late 07 games will only continue the hype into next year.

what makes me most happy about this is the hope that we'll get more 3rd party games that wouldn't have come to nintendo previously.

[jer7583]

Denial, denial, denial.

This is Wii's generation, publishers better recognize, and not with this shovelware, cruisin' junk. It's possible to make great games on less-than-great hardware. Whoever makes that happen stands to make a great deal of money. Can't argue with that.

[Zen Davis]

Make me RPGs.

[jer7583]

These NPD numbers are fucking crazy. Almost a million units of Nintendo hardware sold in a month without major releases IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YEAR.

PS3 price drop and it still didn't beat the 360, even in a month with the only 360 news being that they're fixing all the broken ones.

It just makes me giddy to see Nintendo back on top after years of "they'll go 3rd party next gen" bullcrap.

[Redeema]

I really enjoy Cut Chemist. I have lots of his music.

The games will come eventually. Judging from the list of games on Gamestop.com the Wii has quite a few impressive third party titles, stuff like My Sims, Harvest Moon, NiGHTS, Geometry Wars: Galaxies, Zak & Wiki, RE: Umbrella Chronicles, Ghost Squad, Soul Calibur Legends, DDR, Trauma Center 2, and a bunch more. Then factor in the first party stuff? Crazy. Fire Emblem, Batalion Wars, Super Mario Galaxy, Smash Bros Brawl. Wow. That's not too shabby. Get in line now for your Wii because if you don't have it yet, you'll be waiting until next year.

[Kronic_The_Don]

I have yet seen a used Wii at gamestop around here rarely see new ones as well.. Can't believe how hard they are to get almost a year into its release...

[io]

Actually, strangely enough I saw Wiis at two disparate locations yesterday (Gamecrazy) and today (Fred Meyer). The Fred Meyer ones were sitting there in the case Friday at 6pm - they get shipments in the AM (and on Thursdays too, I think), so that was telling. I'm not saying they are easy to find, but given that I have only seen them ONCE since December around here and now I've seen them on two different days at two very different stores, I think this is as easy as it will get in the leadup to holiday shipping.

It's funny, it had been so long since I saw the retail box (at Gamecrazy they just said they had them - no boxes out) that at Fred Meyer today I thought, "oh, there's some of those stupid Wii Sports accessory packs" until I took a closer look and realized it was the Wii itself with the Wii Sports included blurb on it :lol:.

[dracula]

the one thing that sticks out for me in those numbers is how much the japanese hate the xbox.

While system sales are nice, it is the software that is the big moneymaker

We all forget that the gamecube outsold the xbox1 in system sales worldwide. Software sales were another story entirely. the xbox sold loads of software, most of it in the usa.

I havent bought anything this generation aside from a psp and a d.s., but if the Wii has a price drop and some better VC games i would buy it. Or if the xbox elite dropped below $300 i might buy that.

[botticus]

the one thing that sticks out for me in those numbers is how much the japanese hate the xbox.

While system sales are nice, it is the software that is the big moneymaker

We all forget that the gamecube outsold the xbox1 in system sales worldwide. Software sales were another story entirely. the xbox sold loads of software, most of it in the usa.

I havent bought anything this generation aside from a psp and a d.s., but if the Wii has a price drop and some better VC games i would buy it. Or if the xbox elite dropped below $300 i might buy that.Nope, I believe Xbox outsold it by about 4 million (24 million vs. 20 million).

And yes, software is king. But if the Wii outsells the other consoles by a great enough margin, a lower attach rate could still result in greater sales.

[io]

I'm about to go "attach" Metroid to my Wii ;). So I'm doing my part. Of course, I'm also getting Blue Dragon tomorrow. So far my 360 and Wii purchases have been about the same (have 10-12 games for the Wii, probably a few more for 360 since I could get lots of them super-cheap).

[rodeojones903]

Only thing I have bought for my Wii in a while are VC games. I am soooo ready for more games not geared for my Mom to come out.

[The Crotch]

There's this new thing called "Metroid". I dunno if you've heard of it before...

[Kendal]

Nope, I believe Xbox outsold it by about 4 million (24 million vs. 20 million).

And yes, software is king. But if the Wii outsells the other consoles by a great enough margin, a lower attach rate could still result in greater sales.

If software is king, turning a profit start to finish is an ace in the hole. How much did MS lose to barely edge out Nintendo?

[Thomas96]

are there any stats that show what the attachment rates are for games on Wii?