Whats your zombie plan?

[PlumesPixie]

So anyone who knows me, knows that I am obsessed with and CONVINCED that zombies are not only real, but they ARE coming and there WILL be a take over.

I have read the zombie survival guide and I DO have several zombie plans.

So, what I wanna know is,

What's yours?

PP

PS my zombie plan pre-dates the whole Red vs Blue thing.

[TimPV3]

Sword

[Negative]

six-axis

[PlumesPixie]

Ok but where are you going? Do you have supplies? (I seriously have supplies stock piled.... It borders on mental illness).

Sword is good, but what about fatigue? You can't fight 24/7, you need a home base...

[mr ryles]

I'm gonna build an underwater city where every one can have the ability to spit fire, electricity, and ice out of their hands, at a cost though, possibly the cost of others lives. Anyways I don't think zombies can swim to begin with, so my underwater city will be safe from zombies.

[PlumeNoir]

I already know what my plan is.

It is to run faster than my wife.

[PlumesPixie]

You're an ass... and I swear I'll break your ankles when they come...

[captainfrizo]

I'm gonna build an underwater city where every one can have the ability to spit fire, electricity, and ice out of their hands, at a cost though, possibly the cost of others lives. Anyways I don't think zombies can swim to begin with, so my underwater city will be safe from zombies.

Zombies would likely be wondering around the ocean floor or lake bed, so there'd still be some risk there.

[Moxio]

Bonersword.

[PlumesPixie]

I'm gonna build an underwater city where every one can have the ability to spit fire, electricity, and ice out of their hands, at a cost though, possibly the cost of others lives. Anyways I don't think zombies can swim to begin with, so my underwater city will be safe from zombies. up.


That's hardly realistic...

And zombies can't swim, but they CAN walk under water, as they don't need to breathe, and won't have boyancy.

I don't think people realize that I am SERIOUS about this...

I believe zombies will happen. Closer to resident evil style than to anything biblical. Our goverenment will have some contagion that gets out and fuck shit up.

[SpazX]

Establish Brain-Mart.

[Dead of Knight]

I already know what my plan is.

It is to run faster than my wife.
I don't know if you're referring to 28 Weeks Later or what. :D

[mr ryles]

up.


That's hardly realistic...

And zombies can't swim, but they CAN walk under water, as they don't need to breathe, and won't have boyancy.

I don't think people realize that I am SERIOUS about this...

I believe zombies will happen. Closer to resident evil style than to anything biblical. Our goverenment will have some contagion that gets out and fuck shit up.

how do you know zombies won't float? I highly doubt they can just walk on the bottom of the ocean.

[SpazX]

up.


That's hardly realistic...

And zombies can't swim, but they CAN walk under water, as they don't need to breathe, and won't have boyancy.

I don't think people realize that I am SERIOUS about this...

I believe zombies will happen. Closer to resident evil style than to anything biblical. Our goverenment will have some contagion that gets out and fuck shit up.

You realize that even if there was some Resident Evil-style contagion that turned people into Zombies they'd still require working brains/hearts and would still have to breathe. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to move. They'd just be drones perhaps, but you can't create a virus that defies physics/chemistry/biology.

[PlumesPixie]

Zombies would likely be wondering around the ocean floor or lake bed, so there'd still be some risk there.

Thank you! Finally someone using LOGIC!!!

I am SERIOUS about this topic. I hold it close to my heart and I have notebooks full of plans and contingioncies. (It really is a mental illness...) I DO lay awake at night worring about this.

My biggest thing is how am I gonna keep Lennon (my 4 year) safe? Will I have to sacrifice him to save myself? That would suck.

PP

[tiredfornow]

I'd punt Dead of Knight into the swarm of 'em and haul ass hoping I make it to higher ground. ^___^

[PlumeNoir]

I don't know if you're referring to 28 Weeks Later or what. :D

DoK, no reference, just me being honest.

The first time Pixie asked me this a long time ago, that was my response.

[mr ryles]

As long as I got some Green herbs and first aid sprays I should be all right.

[PlumesPixie]

All that is required for muscle movement is electrical activity. Oxygen isn't actually required.

That's why dead bodies move for HOURS after they have stopped breathing... You DON"T need anything but a spinal collum to move. Its an ELECTRICAL system.

If someone is dead and you provide electricity to the muscles, you CAN make their muscles move.

PP

[tiredfornow]

Don't forget those red herbs to combine.

The yellow ones also help maximize your overall health. ^______^

[PlumesPixie]

You realize that even if there was some Resident Evil-style contagion that turned people into Zombies they'd still require working brains/hearts and would still have to breathe. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to move. They'd just be drones perhaps, but you can't create a virus that defies physics/chemistry/biology.

Look at what I posted a few posts down. Oxygen isn't a requirement for movement... only electricity.

[PlumeNoir]

Don't forget those red herbs to combine.

The yellow ones also help maximize your overall health. ^______^

You forgot mixing orange juice with a pie. That should give you a speed shake or something...

[SpazX]

All that is required for muscle movement is electrical activity. Oxygen isn't actually required.

That's why dead bodies move for HOURS after they have stopped breathing... You DON"T need anything but a spinal collum to move. Its an ELECTRICAL system.

If someone is dead and you provide electricity to the muscles, you CAN make their muscles move.

PP

For random muscle movement, sure. But for coordinated movement you need a brain. You'd also need oxygen to muscles to keep them alive, otherwise they will decay and no longer function along with any organs, etc.

So if it's dead bodies twitching on the floor that you're afraid of perhaps you have a point, but otherwise you're outside of reality.

[mr ryles]

Look at what I posted a few posts down. Oxygen isn't a requirement for movement... only electricity.

I still want your explanation on why zombies can walk under water like Link with his metal boots.

[PlumesPixie]

how do you know zombies won't float? I highly doubt they can just walk on the bottom of the ocean.


The fact that we "float" (boyancy) is caused by the oxygen in our lungs and cells. If we didn't have that, we would sink.

The only reason dead bodies float is due to the gasses they release as they decompose.

Zombies won't breath or decompose normally, so they won't be boyant (or "float")

They will be - pardon the pun - "dead weight".

PP

[tiredfornow]

She said zombies dont need to breathe, so they wouldn't float.

I wish metal boots would make me walk underwater.

A++ for the thread. :]

[PlumeNoir]

Folks, trust me, she is dead serious about this.

I've sat up many a night helping her come up with ideas and plans.

[mr ryles]

Fine I'll build a floating city, or move to that one they are building of the coast of Japan somewhere.

[tiredfornow]

I bet you could get Juggerbit to smash some zombies.

:shock:@ryles.

What'choo tal'm bout, cracka?

[PlumesPixie]

For random muscle movement, sure. But for coordinated movement you need a brain. You'd also need oxygen to muscles to keep them alive, otherwise they will decay and no longer function along with any organs, etc.

So if it's dead bodies twitching on the floor that you're afraid of perhaps you have a point, but otherwise you're outside of reality.

A virus that causes a slowing in decomp and/or accesses "muscle memory" may someday be a reality.

I know zombies haven't happened YET, but I believe they COULD. An electro-chemical agent COULD in theory cause "zombie like" conditions, provided the decomp was slowed...

PP

[PlumesPixie]

Fine I'll build a floating city, or move to that one they are building of the coast of Japan somewhere.

See, NOW you are thinking!

AND, the sea can provide a continuious food source!

GREAT IDEA!

[PlumeNoir]

I bet you could get Juggerbit to smash some zombies.

:shock:@ryles.

What'choo tal'm bout, cracka?

Sadly, zombies are the only thing he is afraid of. But, he could probably kick some undead ass...

[PlumesPixie]

She said zombies dont need to breathe, so they wouldn't float.

I wish metal boots would make me walk underwater.

A++ for the thread. :]

Weighted boots could help... they have them for divers. You just have to have enough oxygen and a quick release thing, so you don't get stuck down there!

[mr ryles]

I bet you could get Juggerbit to smash some zombies.

:shock:@ryles.

What'choo tal'm bout, cracka?

I'm trying to find the article on it, seen it on TLC a while ago.

[PlumesPixie]

Sadly, zombies are the only thing he is afraid of. But, he could probably kick some undead ass...

He gets it from his momma... zombies and parasitic bugs/worms are my only fears.

[mr ryles]

I like these guys thinking

http://www.oceansatlas.org/unatlas/-ATLAS-/IMAGES/HIGH/i315-1.jpg

[tiredfornow]

Noir, maybe if they were WOMEN zombies, he'd kick/shoot 'em.

I think I'd just jump into the horde of zombies, the chance of survival would be pretty slim considering it could happen at ANY time. Right now I'm sitting here in shorts and shoes with headphones on, for all I know a zombie could be walking around in my living room and when I get up to grab a Juicy Juice box, I'll get ripped up by what I thought was Melissa, my friendly neighbor. :[

[SpazX]

A virus that causes a slowing in decomp and/or accesses "muscle memory" may someday be a reality.

I know zombies haven't happened YET, but I believe they COULD. An electro-chemical agent COULD in theory cause "zombie like" conditions, provided the decomp was slowed...

PP

You can slow decomp, but you need something to coordinate muscle movements to make anything like a zombie. Not only would there have to be some kind of source of electricity (if they could eat and digest things then that could be the source, but that would require at least lower-level brain function), there would have to be something to relay it to the limbs in a coordinated fashion in order to do anything but twitch.

The spinal column can control movements and basic reactions (so if you hit a Zombie's knee at the tendon it would kick), but not anything complex like walking. Not only do you have to control the legs in a rhythmic fashion you have to be able to balance your body and both of those require a functioning brain.

[PlumesPixie]

I like these guys thinking

http://www.oceansatlas.org/unatlas/-ATLAS-/IMAGES/HIGH/i315-1.jpg


OMG!!! ITS THE PERFECT PLACE TO GET AWAY FROM THE ZOMBIES!!!

Now I have to revise some of my plans... even the uncompleted city would work in a siege type situation. Which is what zombie attacks will esentially be...

You are my new hero for letting me in on this!

I WILL survive the outbreak!!!

PP

[mr ryles]

I win.

[tiredfornow]

Looks like ryles is sleeping in spot of Noir tonight. 8-)

[mr ryles]

schwing!

[tiredfornow]

Party on Ryles.

[PlumesPixie]

You can slow decomp, but you need something to coordinate muscle movements to make anything like a zombie. Not only would there have to be some kind of source of electricity (if they could eat and digest things then that could be the source, but that would require at least lower-level brain function), there would have to be something to relay it to the limbs in a coordinated fashion in order to do anything but twitch.

The spinal column can control movements and basic reactions (so if you hit a Zombie's knee at the tendon it would kick), but not anything complex like walking. Not only do you have to control the legs in a rhythmic fashion you have to be able to balance your body and both of those require a functioning brain.

Like I said, an electro-chemical agent that could allow brainstem and lower level functioning could be synthisized.

Muscle memory is also something to take into consideration. You body muscles would on some level "know" how to walk. (Muscle memory is a complicated thing, and we don't fully understand it yet).

Zombies (of course) won't be like in the movies. That's my point, we NEVER KNOW!!!

It pays to be prepared though!

PP

[PlumeNoir]

Looks like ryles is sleeping in spot of Noir tonight. 8-)

Heh...that was the whole reason I had surgery, was so I could sleep in my own bed again.

Ryles, she did say that you'd get my 3 1/3 now.

I guess I should have taken her fears more seriously...

[mr ryles]

I'll be Leon and you can be Ada, my zombie fighting mistress.

[PlumesPixie]

I'm no Tia Carrera (sp?), but I do give a nice 3 and 1/3rd...

[PlumesPixie]

I'll be Leon and you can be Ada, my zombie fighting mistress.

Only if I can wear a leather catsuit. Sexy, but still provides light armor... see... always thinking!

PP

[PlumesPixie]

I think I already HAVE a vinyl catsuit... and god knows I have a TON of leather clothes...

In fact it was a pair of leather pants that is responsible for me and plume getting together. He complimented my ass in the leather pants and the rest is history!

[Rocko]

My plan is to not prepare for something that will never happen.

[mr ryles]

I can work on Finding a RCPD outfit.

[PlumesPixie]

My plan is to not prepare for something that will never happen.

From now on you shall be known as "FOOD" to me.

PP

[tiredfornow]

Pixie, she would be a bad source of food, you should go for a chubby guy, not a skinny white girl. 8-)

[Rocko]

:roll:

[SpazX]

Like I said, an electro-chemical agent that could allow brainstem and lower level functioning could be synthisized.

Muscle memory is also something to take into consideration. You body muscles would on some level "know" how to walk. (Muscle memory is a complicated thing, and we don't fully understand it yet).

Zombies (of course) won't be like in the movies. That's my point, we NEVER KNOW!!!

It pays to be prepared though!

PP

An electro-chemical agent couldn't provide nourishment, so they'd have to eat something, and if that means you then maybe that would work. But they'd die just like any other person if they bled to death or their heart/brain was damaged and would just as likely kill each other than anybody/anything else if they don't have higher-level brain functions. They would also wander around and bump into things, fall over, and generally be retarded so I don't think they'd pose much of a threat provided you can move and aren't retarded.

Muscle memory isn't actually in the muscles, it requires a brain with higher-level functioning to remember how to do something. Simply because something isn't conscious (like muscle memory) doesn't mean that your body could do it without a brain. Your muscles don't have the capacity to actually store information.

[mr ryles]

An electro-chemical agent couldn't provide nourishment, so they'd have to eat something,

thats why they eat the brains.

[PlumesPixie]

Not food for me, food for the ZOMBIES!

[Ikohn4ever]

wow this is real dumb

[magiic]

firs the "real" magic thread and now this what are they feeding these kids

[Mike23]

I'd stock food, destroy my stairs, keep weapons handy and live out my days.

[mr ryles]

I'd stock food, destroy my stairs, keep weapons handy and live out my days.

plus a few issues of Hustler for when the nights get lonely.

[tiredfornow]

plus a few issues of Hustler for when the nights get lonely.

Or you could just shoot a female zombie in the head, drag her upstairs and have a magnificent night. :-$

[PlumesPixie]

An electro-chemical agent couldn't provide nourishment, so they'd have to eat something, and if that means you then maybe that would work. But they'd die just like any other person if they bled to death or their heart/brain was damaged and would just as likely kill each other than anybody/anything else if they don't have higher-level brain functions. They would also wander around and bump into things, fall over, and generally be retarded so I don't think they'd pose much of a threat provided you can move and aren't retarded.

Muscle memory isn't actually in the muscles, it requires a brain with higher-level functioning to remember how to do something. Simply because something isn't conscious (like muscle memory) doesn't mean that your body could do it without a brain. Your muscles don't have the capacity to actually store information.

actually some muscle movements DON'T go to the brain, but stop in the spinal cord. Muscle memory doesn't require the brain. This is common in pianists who learn complicated musical peices that, if they had to THINK about they couldn't play.

I am a classical pianist, so I understand the phenom of muscle memory and the role it plays in my ability to play complicated peices. I have to practice, until my fingers know the music, and I don't have to think about it anymore. It becomes automatic.

And of course, zombies wouldn't last indefinately... They will eventually decompose and stop functioning.

(Read THE ZOMBIE SURVIVAL GUIDE, it gives you 4 classes of zombies, from fresh to almost fully decomposed).

[PlumesPixie]

Or you could just shoot a female zombie in the head, drag her upstairs and have a magnificent night. :-$

Oooohhh NecROMANCING!!!

HAWT!

[mr ryles]

Or you could just shoot a female zombie in the head, drag her upstairs and have a magnificent night. :-$

ehhh, possibly

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n203/evil_dave_666/ZombiesHOTNESS.jpg

[tiredfornow]

YESSSSSSSSSSSS.

Zombie women have nice choice in under pants, booty shorts FTW.

[PlumesPixie]

Seriously though, I would be too afraid of contagion to eat any zombie muff...

[fart_bubble]

Seriously though, I would be too afraid of contagion to eat any zombie muff...

HAHA

[mr ryles]

Seriously though, I would be too afraid of contagion to eat any zombie muff...

I wasn't planning on eating them.

[PlumesPixie]

You know, I'm a MENSA member, and a classical pianist and violinist, I speak 3 languages, and I am being called "stupid"....

The internet is AWSOME!

[PlumesPixie]

I wasn't planning on eating them.

well if its a female, that's kinda what I do with females... If I was a guy, it would be different.

I guess I'm stuck making sure I have my handy "rabbit" in my stock pile of zombie supplies.

And A LOT of batteries!

[Rocko]

You know, I'm a MENSA member, and a classical pianist and violinist, I speak 3 languages, and I am being called "stupid"....

The internet is AWSOME!

And yet you cannot spell the word "awesome."

Since you say you're so intelligent, surely you understand the absurdity of this thread.

[Eviltude]

You know, I'm a MENSA member, and a classical pianist and violinist, I speak 3 languages, and I am being called "stupid"....

The internet is AWSOME!
Playing piano isn't going to save lives, but shooting them in the head and fucking them will. You might die a little on the inside every time you have sexual relations with a zombie, but it's be better than getting your brains eaten.

[mr ryles]

well if its a female, that's kinda what I do with females... If I was a guy, it would be different.

I guess I'm stuck making sure I have my handy "rabbit" in my stock pile of zombie supplies.

And A LOT of batteries!

I have rechargeable batteries.

[Magehart]

When the zombies come I screw every woman I come across. Gotta repopulate. If she's fat i'll wait 2 weeks so she gets thinner.

[PlumesPixie]

And yet you cannot spell the word "awesome."

Since you say you're so intelligent, surely you understand the absurdity of this thread.

I guess you didn't get the joke? (Yeah, and spelling isn't a sign of intelligence. I also failed my first two years of regular High School - yet made Deans list first honors in University - Its all in whether or not I give a shit.)

I guess that, sometimes, absurdity is necessary. If you don't want to discuss the topic, why visit the thread? Just to spread negativity?

And -(See that? I just used a conjunction to start a sentence, another gramatical no-no) - *I* don't say I am "so intelligent" - Standardized testing results and the fact that I have been used in studies regarding "gifted" individuals since I was 3 years old simply speaks to that fact. I had nothing to do with it, it was a simple fluke of genetics, as my mother and uncle are also "extrodinairily gifted".

[terribledeli]

I don't understand the point of this thread.

Why discuss everything you've read in Max Brooks' book? Why not just tell people to read it?

And living on water doesn't work. Not only will the equipment required to keep your city afloat eventually fall apart, survivor pirates will skull fuck you in your sleep and sink it. Zombies aren't your main concern if they arrive. People are.

A hidden island in the Northern Atlantic is the only ideal place since the flesh can't withstand the elements. Of course, eventually you'll freeze to death when supplies run short.

[lokizz]

simple. im gonna load up on all the weapons and supplies i can ( canned food, can openers, amo , knives, clothing, hand crank radios ect) get together the family and friends i can and go down to the marinas and what not and take a boat and make my way to a military aircraft carrier. if i cant get to them i'll make my way to an uninhabited island clear out what zombies may be there and hold up till the shits over.


my biggest fear though is will zombies do like they did in land of the dead and walk underwater cause if they do islands are fucked. maybe i'll go to the mountains if i can find a good cave or safe cabin.alaska would probably be the best place to go . the dead couldnt move in that cold weather which would make them easier to kill.

[Rocko]

I suppose I'll contribute to the topic, then.

To prepare for zombies, I would stockpile $800 handbags to smash them over the head with.

[sblymnlcrymnl]

Best thread ever.
My biggest thing is how am I gonna keep Lennon (my 4 year) safe? Will I have to sacrifice him to save myself? That would suck.

PP :rofl:

[Stoneage]

Thank you! Finally someone using LOGIC!!!

Including OP.

[Liquid 2]

I suppose I'll contribute to the topic, then.

To prepare for zombies, I would stockpile $800 handbags to smash them over the head with.:rofl:

And lawlz at the idea that muscles don't need oxygen to move.

[PlumesPixie]

I don't understand the point of this thread.

Why discuss everything you've read in Max Brooks' book? Why not just tell people to read it?

And living on water doesn't work. Not only will the equipment required to keep your city afloat eventually fall apart, survivor pirates will skull fuck you in your sleep and sink it. Zombies aren't your main concern if they arrive. People are.

A hidden island in the Northern Atlantic is the only ideal place since the flesh can't withstand the elements. Of course, eventually you'll freeze to death when supplies run short.

I forgot that no one has EVER formed a book discussion group in the history of man.

Discussing things, bringing forth new concepts, contributing to and supplimenting the material with my own ideas, and listening to and respecting others ideas is of NO VALUE.

Everyone should always just read the book, sit there and shut up. Never question anything and GOD FORBID anyone do any critical thinking!

[PlumesPixie]

:rofl:

And lawlz at the idea that muscles don't need oxygen to move.

Maybe you should do some scientific research on how our bodies function as both electro-chemical systems and electro-magnets.

One of my degrees is in nursing, and while NO, its not nearly the same as a doctor, (I wasn't ready to put in the time on that degree as I got pregnant in my second year of university), the idea of muscles not needing oxygen to move is true.

Um, look up ANEROBIC activity. Muscles don't use oxygen to move!

Muscles NEVER use oxygen to move. Muscles use oxygen to feed their individual cells. Movement is caused by electrical impulses.

You are making yourself look like an ass. Research before you attempt to speak on a subject!

[PlumesPixie]

Playing piano isn't going to save lives, but shooting them in the head and fucking them will. You might die a little on the inside every time you have sexual relations with a zombie, but it's be better than getting your brains eaten.

I was refering to something a specific person said about this thread, in ANOTHER thread. The online equivalent to not having the guts to say it to "my face".

[PlumesPixie]

I have rechargeable batteries.

With you around who needs batteries?

Rawr!

[2poor]

Maybe you should do some scientific research on how our bodies function as both electro-chemical systems and electro-magnets.

One of my degrees is in nursing, and while NO, its not nearly the same as a doctor, (I wasn't ready to put in the time on that degree as I got pregnant in my second year of university), the idea of muscles not needing oxygen to move is true.

Um, look up ANEROBIC activity. Muscles don't use oxygen to move!

Muscles NEVER use oxygen to move. Muscles use oxygen to feed their individual cells. Movement is caused by electrical impulses.

You are making yourself look like an ass. Research before you attempt to speak on a subject!

Galvanism.

[Rocko]

...By what you've typed, it sounds like without oxygen muscle cells would die.

[PlumesPixie]

This thread makes me sad for America. People are honestly THIS mis-informed about basic anatomy?

People are honestly this ignorant of how our bodies work?

People are honestly disappointing me in their ignorance and negativity.

To those of you who are playing along, and those of you indulging in the thread (who's main purpose was to get people to think critically and use some imagination, as well as entertain) thank you. I appreciate it.

[Moxio]

This joke has gone on long enough.

[Liquid 2]

Aerobic respiration produces a LOT more ATP than anaerobic respiration does. Anaerobic respiration only kicks in when the muscles aren't getting enough oxygen and results in lactic acid build up.
Come on Mrs. Mensa, stop kidding yourself.

[PlumesPixie]

...By what you've typed, it sounds like without oxygen muscle cells would die.

Of course, and Zombies are DEAD!

They no longer grow, and they start to decompose. They simply would have electrical impulses moving them even after they ceased to grow and develop, and began the process of decomposition.

Like I said before, dead bodies move all the time. For HOURS after death dead muscles still move based on the electrical impulses STILL in the body.

For WEEKS after death, if you apply electrical current to a dead body's muscles they will move.

A zombie would be the victim of some electo-chemical compound that caused the body to still produce electrical impulses long after the other functions had ceased.

It is really not ALL THAT far fetched.

[Moxio]

Who would apply that electrical current? Al-Queda?

[Liquid 2]

This joke has gone on long enough.Fo' shizzle.

Who would apply that electrical current? Al-Queda?:lol:

[Rocko]

I think you should bring this up at your next MENSA meeting. I'm sure all those other critical thinking, non-ignorant folk like yourself will love to discuss it. We peons just cannot grasp the idea of zombies.

You could even make a zombie theme song on your classical piano and/or violin.

[linkpwns]

I'm gonna build an underwater city where every one can have the ability to spit fire, electricity, and ice out of their hands, at a cost though, possibly the cost of others lives. Anyways I don't think zombies can swim to begin with, so my underwater city will be safe from zombies.

It won't be impossible to build your city underwater...

It will be impossible to build it anyplace else

[syberherc]

I would master the art of zombie make-up and walk among them going about my business.

Albeit a lot slower.

[PlumesPixie]

I think you should bring this up at your next MENSA meeting. I'm sure all those other critical thinking, non-ignorant folk like yourself will love to discuss it. We peons just cannot grasp the idea of zombies.

You could even make a zombie theme song on your classical piano and/or violin.

I just don't understand why people can't have fun with the topic and use it to come up with some cool ideas?

Instead of debating on whether or not zombies are possible, (obviously the only "real" zombies are the ones created in haiti using the blow fish toxin - and those are not dead, and do not try to eat brains) just try to come up with the best survival plan.

Kind of like the game "plan the perfect murder", no one expects you to actually go out and kill someone. Its a GAME, a thinking game.

[Moxio]

People play "plan the perfect murder"?

Alright, I'm getting off this ride.

[Rocko]

Perfect murder: Kill someone and leave no evidence.

Zombie escape: Kill them all before they can kill me.

I win.

[PlumesPixie]

Who would apply that electrical current? Al-Queda?

The contagion would cause the body to make it.

That's not the point.

The point is to come up with a survival tactic.

Instead of debating on if zombies are possible, the game is to come up with the best way to survive.

Its kind of like "plan the perfect murder" - no one is saying you are really going to go out and kill someone afterwards.

[The Crotch]

Disregarding for a minute the (im)possibility of zombies...

Let 'em fuckin' come. I'm a billion miles from anywhere - they'd starve or freeze long before they ever reached me. Same goes for the travelling bands of Mad Max-types that invariably pop up.

[Moxio]

Disregarding for a minute the (im)possibility of zombies...

Let 'em fuckin' come. I'm a billion miles from anywhere - they'd starve or freeze long before they ever reached me. Same goes for the travelling bands of Mad Max-types that invariably pop up.

:roll:

Oh come on. According to plumes Zombies cannot be nuked because they can use electricamitistyasd to pull their bones together. Zombies cant be drowned because their skin color is always fashionable based on the four seasons. Zombies cant be shocked because they don't have emotions and thus showing pics of Paris Hilton crotch will not work. Zombies can't be shot because they can use their magnetic electricamies to reflect them back at you.

[Ugamer_X]

It is really not ALL THAT far fetched.
Yes, yes it is.

I hope the zombies eat your kid so as to ease the suffering of living his normal everyday life with you.

[HotShotX]

Well, we should probably establish what type of Zombie Apocalypse we're talking about here:

Dead Rising Zombies (Slow/Dumb Zombies, no other threats except Humans)
Resident Evil Zombies (Slow/Dumb Zombies, but other Bio Mutants)
Dawn of the Dead Zombies (Fast/Aggro Zombies, but no Mutants, and Humans)

I think in any situation, my plan of action is to wield swords until I raid the gun section of my local walmart, meet up with my g/f's family and friends, try to secure survivors, and get the fuck out of town via car/airplane/etc.

~HotShotX

[PlumesPixie]

Fuck this, its not worth argueing.

I'm not bothering with this shit anymore. Posting on this forum is obviously not for me.

I overestimated the clientel.

My husband is extremely intelligent and a wonderful man, so I assumed anything that he was involved in was something of value... I guess I overestimated...

Seacrest out.

[HotShotX]

Fuck this, its not worth argueing.

I'm not bothering with this shit anymore. Posting on this forum is obviously not for me.

I overestimated the clientel.

My husband is extremely intelligent and a wonderful man, so I assumed anything that he was involved in was something of value... I guess I overestimated...

Seacrest out.

Nice meeting you too.

~HotShotX

[Scobie]

Seacrest out.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop the train! *You're* Ryan Seacrest?

[Moxio]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Stop the train! *You're* Ryan Seacrest?

Tha...that changes everything!!!!

[Callandor]

Ah, this topic has been done before (http://rvb.roosterteeth.com/archive/episode.php?id=226), anyway. Well, not here, but still.

[darthbudge]

I would just tell them that I come in peace and they shouldn't harm due to the Geneva Convention. If that doesn't work I use what they use video games, SHOTGUNS! Lots of friggin shotguns.

Also OP, don't be discouraged I LOVE the offbeat topics like this and I am afraid that no matter what you do you will be made fun of on the internet.

[PlumeNoir]

Yes, yes it is.

I hope the zombies eat your kid so as to ease the suffering of living his normal everyday life with you.

Dude - NOT fucking cool.

I don't believe in Zombies nor that they could ever happen. (Except, maybe, the 28 Days Later not-really-zombies scenario.)

Pixie does believe in Zombies, so we have quite a few interesting discussions. HotShot said it best - we should decide what kind of zombies we're talking about. Pixie was just trying to get a fun conversation going, whether or not someone thinks zombies are even possible. I'm surprised this escalated at all - it was meant to be a goofy, "throw some ideas out there" lazy Labor Day thread.

But man...that is my son you just wished would get killed so he wouldn't have to suffer from my wife. That was seriously a dick move.

[gregthomas77]

I plan to build a home with a large 12 foot tall rebar and steel beem reinforced concrete wall. On the wall tops, razorwire and outward points peaks (like a prison). There will be two gates in the wall (iron doors) and those doors will only lead into confinement areas (think a room with ports for weapons to shoot into the room). From those confinement areas, there would be another iron gate into the inner area.

The inner compound will be made up of several living units (seperate kitchens, bathrooms and sleeping quarters). Each unit will have seperate electrical wiring (with power coming from solar panels on the roof of the unit) and will be spaced apart from other units to prevent a fire from destroying everything.

There will be greenhouse units as well, and several wells (which will be manually operated and will be deep so as to avoid entry into the wells from underneath). In addition to wells, we will also have rain water collection.

We will, when the attack begins, become vegitarians to avoid contact with any living creatures.

Weapons will be stockpiled, including flamethrowers (with fuel), swords, axes, and guns.

There is a lot more, but I am tired of typing.



Actually, I think if I saw Zombies, I would start looking around for Ashton.

[Ugamer_X]

Dude - NOT fucking cool.

I don't believe in Zombies nor that they could ever happen. (Except, maybe, the 28 Days Later not-really-zombies scenario.)

Pixie does believe in Zombies, so we have quite a few interesting discussions. HotShot said it best - we should decide what kind of zombies we're talking about. Pixie was just trying to get a fun conversation going, whether or not someone thinks zombies are even possible. I'm surprised this escalated at all - it was meant to be a goofy, "throw some ideas out there" lazy Labor Day thread.

But man...that is my son you just wished would get killed so he wouldn't have to suffer from my wife. That was seriously a dick move.
She's the one who entertained the idea of sacrificing your son in order to save herself. Now that's fucked up.

Shit hurts, but I'm not the one who married the crazy bitch.

[Rocko]

Fuck this, its not worth argueing.

I'm not bothering with this shit anymore. Posting on this forum is obviously not for me.

I overestimated the clientel.

My husband is extremely intelligent and a wonderful man, so I assumed anything that he was involved in was something of value... I guess I overestimated...

Seacrest out.

Quoted, just in case. This is possibly better than when she blew up on Strell in the OTT, going on a giant rant about growing up poor.

[PlumeNoir]

She's the one who entertained the idea of sacrificing your son in order to save herself. Now that's fucked up.

Shit hurts, but I'm not the one who married the crazy bitch.

She didn't say she would. she said "My biggest thing is how am I gonna keep Lennon (my 4 year) safe? Will I have to sacrifice him to save myself? That would suck. "

She wasn't saying she would, but it was her fear.

That was still uncalled for. She is not a "crazy bitch" and is a good mother and has made a lot of sacrifices for him, hence why she was concerned about how she'd keep him safe. Most mothers fear having to be put in the situation where they have to make a decision like that. That isn't crazy at all, that is her wondering how she'd be able to do such a thing. Knowing her, she'd sacrifice herself before she let anything happen to our son.

That was still a dick thing to say, dude.

[levi333]

I have about 9k rounds of various ammo for about 15 guns. That's the plan.

[Liquid 2]

Quoted, just in case. This is possibly better than when she blew up on Strell in the OTT, going on a giant rant about growing up poor.
I can't believe I forgot about that! :rofl:

[Rocko]

Plume, just checking, you do realize we're talking about sacrificing your son in the event of a zombie takeover, right?

[The Crotch]

Quoted, just in case. This is possibly better than when she blew up on Strell in the OTT, going on a giant rant about growing up poor.On the one hand, people here are being rather... well, assholish.

On the other hand, that sounds hilarious. Link?

[Rocko]

On the one hand, people here are being rather... well, assholish.

On the other hand, that sounds hilarious. Link?
I have no idea what OTT it was in. Long story short, Plume told a story about his wife going out and buying a $800 purse behind his back, and shortly thereafter she made an account here and posted a bit in the OTT. People kept poking fun at the fact that she spent so much on something like that, and she finally went nuts and had a gigantic post aimed at Strell about how she grew up poor, etc. etc. and deserved an $800 hand bag.

[Graystone]

On the one hand, people here are being rather... well, assholish.

What's new?


I would get bitten, and join the muthafucking party.

[Liquid 2]

On the one hand, people here are being rather... well, assholish.

On the other hand, that sounds hilarious. Link?http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2820060#post2820060

[The Crotch]

I have no idea what OTT it was in. Long story short, Plume told a story about his wife going out and buying a $800 purse behind his back, and shortly thereafter she made an account here and posted a bit in the OTT. People kept poking fun at the fact that she spent so much on something like that, and she finally went nuts and had a gigantic post aimed at Strell about how she grew up poor, etc. etc. and deserved an $800 hand bag.Hm. I vaguely recall being part of the group making fun of her for that. Missed the aftermath.

Edit: Thanks, Liquid.

[Rocko]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2820060#post2820060

How the hell did you find that? I'm assuming you had it bookmarked. If not, :bow:.

[Liquid 2]

How the hell did you find that? I'm assuming you had it bookmarked. If not, :bow:.Pixie's only got 76 posts. ;):lol:

[paddlefoot]

Don't forget the zippo and lighter fluid!!! LOTS OF LIGHTER FLUID

[Graystone]

How do we go from a light hearted fun topic to flaming?

oh wait its CAG OT never mind.

[Rocko]

Well now I just feel stupid, I didn't even think to search her posts. :rofl:

I retract my bow. Sorry.

[Cry Havoc]

This game sucks. I'm gonna go play Monopoly.

[magiic]

Pixie's only got 76 posts. ;):lol:

smartie pants

[Callandor]

Fuck this, its not worth argueing.

I'm not bothering with this shit anymore. Posting on this forum is obviously not for me.

I overestimated the clientel.

My husband is extremely intelligent and a wonderful man, so I assumed anything that he was involved in was something of value... I guess I overestimated...

Seacrest out.

Bye. Thank you for your gross over generalization of the posters here. Your first two sentences certainly put you on a pedestal FAR above the rest of us... :roll:

[tiredfornow]

I can has cheezburger?

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb234/vurdlak8/billgates.gif

[Sofa King Kool]

I hope you both get bitten and you eat your son to death.

That would be funny.

[Number83]

I would rent a helicopter, load up on film,and take tons of pictures at the mall.

First on the list it the 9 foot drop achievement.

[dallow]

http://www.citizenarcane.com/files/2005/March/20/marmite_front.jpg

[shrike4242]

Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

[SpazX]

Ya know Pixie if you hadn't been all "this is totally seriously possible" the thread wouldn't have had this terrible downward spiral. At first it was fun then you said a bunch of ridiculous shit and I thought you had a serious delusion. Now I'm not sure if you're backpedaling or were actually just messing around, but if you seriously think about planning for zombie attacks and that actually keeps you up at night....see a doctor.

EDIT: And to further explain (because I can't let things like this go), I said that just because you don't think about doing an action doesn't mean that it isn't going on in your brain. Yes, you don't consciously think about playing piano (nor am I consciously thinking about how to hit the keys on this keyboard), but that doesn't mean I could lob your head off and your body could still play beethoven's ninth. It's stored in your brain and used by your body, just not consciously.

[Apossum]

I'd just become a zombie. When in Rome...

plumespixie-- don't worry about the meltdown. happens to everyone on the internet, then it's all better from there as long as you realize you should expand your sense of humor. why I just had one a different site the other day...hadn't happened since I first joined CAG in 2004...but now me and that other site are cool.

[Msut77]

Bug in i.e. stockpile food and water and destroy the staircase.

I have a gun and assorted melee weapons that are not show pieces.

[Dead of Knight]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2820060#post2820060
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Sorry, but NO ONE should buy $689 bags. NO ONE. Talk about a massive waste of money.

[magiic]

Bug in i.e. stockpile food and water and destroy the staircase.

I have a gun and assorted melee weapons that are not show pieces.

but do you have the katana

[Callandor]

Bug in i.e. stockpile food and water and destroy the staircase.

I have a gun and assorted melee weapons that are not show pieces.

"I check the list. Rubber tubing, gas, saw, gloves, cuffs, razor wire, hatchet, Gladys, and my mitts."

[RAMSTORIA]

theres only two things to do when zombies invade...

get drunk.

oh, one thing.

[Dr Mario Kart]

The classical zombie is too sluggish to swim. While the dead float, the undead do not usually float. Therefore. Boats. In the event that they can navigate through water, it would slow them down even more, giving you a significant advantage in fending them off.

[mr ryles]

The classical zombie is too sluggish to swim. While the dead float, the undead do not usually float. Therefore. Boats. In the event that they can navigate through water, it would slow them down even more, giving you a significant advantage in fending them off.
Until zombies can prove they are proficient enough to operate machinery like that, I'm not worried about my floating city being invaded.

[corrosivefrost]

There's a graphite field hockey stick in the garage just in case of said zombie apocolypse.

Motherfucker is noice to swing.

[Mookyjooky]

I've always been a fan of freaking them out with a reversal, and running at them to eat them.

[Grave_Addiction]

I'm gonna build an underwater city where every one can have the ability to spit fire, electricity, and ice out of their hands, at a cost though, possibly the cost of others lives. Anyways I don't think zombies can swim to begin with, so my underwater city will be safe from zombies.
If you've ever seen any of Lucio Fulci's zombie flicks, you'd know zombies can swim, and they even attack sharks.

The only place you can go to be safe from zombies is to build a floating lair in the sky - Rygar style.

That or either build a peddle helicopter and fly from rooftop to rooftop, staying away from the zombie hordes.

[DT778]

Head for the pub.

[Mospeada_21]

<< see title. [professional zombie hunter]

rocket launcher and helicopter.

rocket launcher = Halo 2, all rockets.

helicopter = steel talons.

(best ending ev3r)

[carpwrist]

Head for the pub.
especially the ol' Winchester.

[Yoohoo1231]

Shit my pants and hope that ruins their appetite.

[Ender]

Ok but where are you going? Do you have supplies? (I seriously have supplies stock piled.... It borders on mental illness).



"Borders"? Buddy, you're miles past that border. You're completely fucking retarded.

[jaykrue]

This disturbs me on many levels and I'm not talking about the zombies. I think I lost some brain cells reading this thread. I'm quite disturbed that someone who claims Mensa as a badge of intelligence would be so lacking in thoroughly thinking this out. SpazX got it mostly right.

First of all, using muscle memory as an excuse is stupid. Muscle memory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_memory) is still stored in the brain. It's simply a way to make the chemical communication between brain and muscle more efficient so that one doesn't actively have to think about the process. Thus you still need a brain.

Second of all, what you mistaken refer to as muscle memory is called a reflex arc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflex_arc). Those are the ones which don't need a direct command from the brain. But things like walking, talking, running, fine/gross hand manipulation (playing the piano/slapping someone's face) etc. all require impulses from the brain. Using the peripheral nervous system (i.e. whatever ISN'T the central nervous system like the brain, etc.), and more specifically, the somatic portion of the peripheral nervous system is what helps a muscle voluntarily move.

Third, you fail to account for apoptosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apoptosis) and necrosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrosis) (ordered and accidental cellular death respectively) as a big factor why zombies can't work. Apoptosis is decided either by the cell itself, the surrounding tissue, or from the immune system. In any of those cases, the cell is broken down and converted either as waste material or recycled as cellular "food" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phagocytosis). Necrosis results from trauma via injury, infection, cancer, poisons, etc. and only compounds the problem of apoptosis. Apoptosis is even more dangerous to zombies than people since it would essentially be a combo form of zombie ebola and muscular dystrophy. Since the zombie body is, for all intents and purposes, dead, the normal regenerative body processes won't replace any of the dead cells and if there aren't any cells being made, then the muscle fibers break down, neurons break down (causing misfired neurotransmitters), and organs break down.

The breakdown of muscles w/o replacement means there's less muscles to move resulting in weak strength so a zombie would have less gripping strength than a baby. And that's also why zombies would be shuffling and not running. The breakdown of nerve cells is potentially even worse since you'd have involuntary muscle control resulting in a horde of zombies falling on the ground jerking like someone having a spastic seizure. Plus consider the fact that if any signals from the brain are cut off due to missing neurons (again, due to either apoptosis or necrosis), you're left w/ an undead paraplegic. Not much danger there. :roll: This is also why a shot to the head is the best thing to do to a zombie. The organs are important for a body in that they're the collective gears that make the human body tick. The stomach and intestines are responsible for breaking down matter into usable matter which are sent to be used by all the cells in the body. This matter is converted into sugars (ATP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenosine_triphosphate)) by mitochondria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondria) which live inside cells. Muscles need ATP to actually move thanks to the sliding filament mechanism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliding_filament_mechanism). The heart & blood vessels are the essential distribution system in the body which distribute various substances (oxygen, food matter, cellular waste, etc.) to the right organ. So a zombie would still need all these things to function.

Fourth, there's the little thing called rigor mortis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigor_mortis). Were someone to become a zombie, in as little as 12 hours, his body would become rigid and unable to move. And you have at least 2-3 days before the muscles soften again but it won't matter because, as I've already outlined above, apoptosis/necrosis would be occurring concurrently.

Fifth, a contagion of this nature would naturally be contained simply because of the nature of a too-fast moving plague. If a plague is too fast, it will burn itself out after claiming only a few victims (few being in the hundreds of thousands) so it couldn't spread worldwide even taking into account air travel. The worst hit would be major cities but it would be highly unlikely to spread beyond the suburbs.

Sixth, because a brain is still required for voluntary movement, a zombie is incapable of handling even simple machinery such as a car let alone complex machinery like a plane. So escape is as easy as getting in your car and getting out of Dodge for 2 weeks (which is how long it would take for a zombie's muscle to breakdown to the point that they'd just be bodies in the streets.

Now, strictly as a thought exercise, the best way to survive would be to escape to the country and secure a highly fortified compound near a large body of water (probably a prison, school, or city hall) for a month (just to be sure if there's any zombie laggers not doing their job of breaking down their bodies). Now, if for some reason, resources ran out or the zombie apocalyse took longer than a month (read: years), cannibalism would be the last resort. The best thing to do would be to make sure there's at least 2-3 women per man at a maximum of 20 people since anything more becomes unsustainable in terms of allocated resources as well as protection. The men would impregnate one of their respective women at 2 month intervals to ensure that there would be enough fetuses every one or two months after the first year. During the 1st month of the 2nd year, allow one fetus to live to adult maturity. Repeat this process every 10 years (shorter if you'd be willing to risk smaller resource allocation upon a growing population). Once the child reaches the age of 17, the oldest living person will commit suicide (or be killed) to serve as sustenance for the community. Yeah, it's pretty gruesome but, if the zombie apocalyse came down, there's not exactly a time to have moral dilemmas. Pragmatism is more important. It's all about survival of the fittest and the fittest to survive.

[Grave_Addiction]

This disturbs me on many levels and I'm not talking about the zombies. I think I lost some brain cells reading this thread. I'm quite disturbed that someone who claims Mensa as a badge of intelligence would be so lacking in thoroughly thinking this out. SpazX got it mostly right.

First of all, using muscle memory as an excuse is stupid. Muscle memory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_memory) is still stored in the brain. It's simply a way to make the chemical communication between brain and muscle more efficient so that one doesn't actively have to think about the process. Thus you still need a brain.

Second of all, what you mistaken refer to as muscle memory is called a reflex arc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflex_arc). Those are the ones which don't need a direct command from the brain. But things like walking, talking, running, fine/gross hand manipulation (playing the piano/slapping someone's face) etc. all require impulses from the brain. Using the peripheral nervous system (i.e. whatever ISN'T the central nervous system like the brain, etc.), and more specifically, the somatic portion of the peripheral nervous system is what helps a muscle voluntarily move.

Third, you fail to account for apoptosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apoptosis) and necrosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrosis) (ordered and accidental cellular death respectively) as a big factor why zombies can't work. Apoptosis is decided either by the cell itself, the surrounding tissue, or from the immune system. In any of those cases, the cell is broken down and converted either as waste material or recycled as cellular "food" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phagocytosis). Necrosis results from trauma via injury, infection, cancer, poisons, etc. and only compounds the problem of apoptosis. Apoptosis is even more dangerous to zombies than people since it would essentially be a combo form of zombie ebola and muscular dystrophy. Since the zombie body is, for all intents and purposes, dead, the normal regenerative body processes won't replace any of the dead cells and if there aren't any cells being made, then the muscle fibers break down, neurons break down (causing misfired neurotransmitters), and organs break down.

The breakdown of muscles w/o replacement means there's less muscles to move resulting in weak strength so a zombie would have less gripping strength than a baby. And that's also why zombies would be shuffling and not running. The breakdown of nerve cells is potentially even worse since you'd have involuntary muscle control resulting in a horde of zombies falling on the ground jerking like someone having a spastic seizure. Plus consider the fact that if any signals from the brain are cut off due to missing neurons (again, due to either apoptosis or necrosis), you're left w/ an undead paraplegic. Not much danger there. :roll: This is also why a shot to the head is the best thing to do to a zombie. The organs are important for a body in that they're the collective gears that make the human body tick. The stomach and intestines are responsible for breaking down matter into usable matter which are sent to be used by all the cells in the body. This matter is converted into sugars (ATP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenosine_triphosphate)) by mitochondria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondria) which live inside cells. Muscles need ATP to actually move thanks to the sliding filament mechanism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliding_filament_mechanism). The heart & blood vessels are the essential distribution system in the body which distribute various substances (oxygen, food matter, cellular waste, etc.) to the right organ. So a zombie would still need all these things to function.

Fourth, there's the little thing called rigor mortis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigor_mortis). Were someone to become a zombie, in as little as 12 hours, his body would become rigid and unable to move. And you have at least 2-3 days before the muscles soften again but it won't matter because, as I've already outlined above, apoptosis/necrosis would be occurring concurrently.

Fifth, a contagion of this nature would naturally be contained simply because of the nature of a too-fast moving plague. If a plague is too fast, it will burn itself out after claiming only a few victims (few being in the hundreds of thousands) so it couldn't spread worldwide even taking into account air travel. The worst hit would be major cities but it would be highly unlikely to spread beyond the suburbs.

Sixth, because a brain is still required for voluntary movement, a zombie is incapable of handling even simple machinery such as a car let alone complex machinery like a plane. So escape is as easy as getting in your car and getting out of Dodge for 2 weeks (which is how long it would take for a zombie's muscle to breakdown to the point that they'd just be bodies in the streets.

Now, strictly as a thought exercise, the best way to survive would be to escape to the country and secure a highly fortified compound near a large body of water (probably a prison, school, or city hall) for a month (just to be sure if there's any zombie laggers not doing their job of breaking down their bodies). Now, if for some reason, resources ran out or the zombie apocalyse took longer than a month (read: years), cannibalism would be the last resort. The best thing to do would be to make sure there's at least 2-3 women per man at a maximum of 20 people since anything more becomes unsustainable in terms of allocated resources as well as protection. The men would impregnate one of their respective women at 2 month intervals to ensure that there would be enough fetuses every one or two months after the first year. During the 1st month of the 2nd year, allow one fetus to live to adult maturity. Repeat this process every 10 years (shorter if you'd be willing to risk smaller resource allocation upon a growing population). Once the child reaches the age of 17, the oldest living person will commit suicide (or be killed) to serve as sustenance for the community. Yeah, it's pretty gruesome but, if the zombie apocalyse came down, there's not exactly a time to have moral dilemmas. Pragmatism is more important. It's all about survival of the fittest and the fittest to survive.

You're one sick individual.

[Lieutenant Dan]

This disturbs me on many levels and I'm not talking about the zombies. I think I lost some brain cells reading this thread. I'm quite disturbed that someone who claims Mensa as a badge of intelligence would be so lacking in thoroughly thinking this out. SpazX got it mostly right.

First of all, using muscle memory as an excuse is stupid. Muscle memory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_memory) is still stored in the brain. It's simply a way to make the chemical communication between brain and muscle more efficient so that one doesn't actively have to think about the process. Thus you still need a brain.

Second of all, what you mistaken refer to as muscle memory is called a reflex arc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflex_arc). Those are the ones which don't need a direct command from the brain. But things like walking, talking, running, fine/gross hand manipulation (playing the piano/slapping someone's face) etc. all require impulses from the brain. Using the peripheral nervous system (i.e. whatever ISN'T the central nervous system like the brain, etc.), and more specifically, the somatic portion of the peripheral nervous system is what helps a muscle voluntarily move.

Third, you fail to account for apoptosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apoptosis) and necrosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrosis) (ordered and accidental cellular death respectively) as a big factor why zombies can't work. Apoptosis is decided either by the cell itself, the surrounding tissue, or from the immune system. In any of those cases, the cell is broken down and converted either as waste material or recycled as cellular "food" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phagocytosis). Necrosis results from trauma via injury, infection, cancer, poisons, etc. and only compounds the problem of apoptosis. Apoptosis is even more dangerous to zombies than people since it would essentially be a combo form of zombie ebola and muscular dystrophy. Since the zombie body is, for all intents and purposes, dead, the normal regenerative body processes won't replace any of the dead cells and if there aren't any cells being made, then the muscle fibers break down, neurons break down (causing misfired neurotransmitters), and organs break down.

The breakdown of muscles w/o replacement means there's less muscles to move resulting in weak strength so a zombie would have less gripping strength than a baby. And that's also why zombies would be shuffling and not running. The breakdown of nerve cells is potentially even worse since you'd have involuntary muscle control resulting in a horde of zombies falling on the ground jerking like someone having a spastic seizure. Plus consider the fact that if any signals from the brain are cut off due to missing neurons (again, due to either apoptosis or necrosis), you're left w/ an undead paraplegic. Not much danger there. :roll: This is also why a shot to the head is the best thing to do to a zombie. The organs are important for a body in that they're the collective gears that make the human body tick. The stomach and intestines are responsible for breaking down matter into usable matter which are sent to be used by all the cells in the body. This matter is converted into sugars (ATP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenosine_triphosphate)) by mitochondria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondria) which live inside cells. Muscles need ATP to actually move thanks to the sliding filament mechanism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliding_filament_mechanism). The heart & blood vessels are the essential distribution system in the body which distribute various substances (oxygen, food matter, cellular waste, etc.) to the right organ. So a zombie would still need all these things to function.

Fourth, there's the little thing called rigor mortis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigor_mortis). Were someone to become a zombie, in as little as 12 hours, his body would become rigid and unable to move. And you have at least 2-3 days before the muscles soften again but it won't matter because, as I've already outlined above, apoptosis/necrosis would be occurring concurrently.

Fifth, a contagion of this nature would naturally be contained simply because of the nature of a too-fast moving plague. If a plague is too fast, it will burn itself out after claiming only a few victims (few being in the hundreds of thousands) so it couldn't spread worldwide even taking into account air travel. The worst hit would be major cities but it would be highly unlikely to spread beyond the suburbs.

Sixth, because a brain is still required for voluntary movement, a zombie is incapable of handling even simple machinery such as a car let alone complex machinery like a plane. So escape is as easy as getting in your car and getting out of Dodge for 2 weeks (which is how long it would take for a zombie's muscle to breakdown to the point that they'd just be bodies in the streets.

Now, strictly as a thought exercise, the best way to survive would be to escape to the country and secure a highly fortified compound near a large body of water (probably a prison, school, or city hall) for a month (just to be sure if there's any zombie laggers not doing their job of breaking down their bodies). Now, if for some reason, resources ran out or the zombie apocalyse took longer than a month (read: years), cannibalism would be the last resort. The best thing to do would be to make sure there's at least 2-3 women per man at a maximum of 20 people since anything more becomes unsustainable in terms of allocated resources as well as protection. The men would impregnate one of their respective women at 2 month intervals to ensure that there would be enough fetuses every one or two months after the first year. During the 1st month of the 2nd year, allow one fetus to live to adult maturity. Repeat this process every 10 years (shorter if you'd be willing to risk smaller resource allocation upon a growing population). Once the child reaches the age of 17, the oldest living person will commit suicide (or be killed) to serve as sustenance for the community. Yeah, it's pretty gruesome but, if the zombie apocalyse came down, there's not exactly a time to have moral dilemmas. Pragmatism is more important. It's all about survival of the fittest and the fittest to survive.

Please elaborate. :)

[jaykrue]

You're one sick individual.

Why? Because I debunk zombies or the practical plan involving cannibalism?

[Chika]

Why? Because I debunk zombies or the practical plan involving cannibalism?

ho.ly.fuck.

[corrosivefrost]

Why? Because I debunk zombies or the practical plan involving cannibalism?

return? triumphant? must be JayKrue. :applause:

[PlumeNoir]

You know...the irony here is that this thread is a zombie. It died and then re-rose.

Think about that the next time you're high...

[SpazX]

Thanks for the knowledge jaykrue (and welcome back).

I dunno where you were going with the cannibalism bit though. I guess that would work if you had exactly the amount of resources required to sustain 20 people and you ate the oldest simply to have one less mouth to feed. If you got to the point where you were out of food and started eating people though it wouldn't take long to eat 20 people (especially if you started out only killing one at a time since 19 people might be able to stretch out 1 person for a week maybe if they ate very little and had somewhere cold to store the leftovers...).

[jaykrue]

Thanks for the knowledge jaykrue (and welcome back).

I dunno where you were going with the cannibalism bit though. I guess that would work if you had exactly the amount of resources required to sustain 20 people and you ate the oldest simply to have one less mouth to feed. If you got to the point where you were out of food and started eating people though it wouldn't take long to eat 20 people (especially if you started out only killing one at a time since 19 people might be able to stretch out 1 person for a week maybe if they ate very little and had somewhere cold to store the leftovers...).

Thanks. I think you could possibly sustain a group of twenty people per month off 5 fetuses. Remember, I said 2-3 women per men at a max of 20 people total, using a top max of 3 women per man, that's a 4 person group for a total of 5 groups. If you rotate each woman in each group for pregnancies, that comes out to five fetuses. Also, you ration out the fetus meat along w/ whatever other food you have on hand such as canned food, or candy. And remember, this policy would only be enacted after resources began to be severe. I think the more problematic issue would be waste management as well as untainted water.

Remember, we have plumbing that is governed by your local waste disposal unit. If civilization did break down, your toilets would eventually break down or get backed up full of shit since all the engineers/garbage guys have fled for the hills. Plus, shit would be difficult to remove from the compound since the zombie hordes are presumably outside your doorstep so it would eventually start to pile up. The rate of decay for fecal matter isn't that quick. Plus you have 20-something people who are all shitting approximately once a day. All that shit adds up.

The water supply is more hazardous as you can go w/o food for a time but water is vital for extended human life. If the body of water near you is eventually tainted (and it will, thanks to the accumulation of zombie bodies and shit from the waste disposal), it's a less-than zero sum game - your eventual loss of usable water would give out before you finished your food sources.

I agree that an adult would probably sustain more people but you need every able-bodied adult to defend the compound. So they have more utility than a helpless fetus. And a fetus is a renewable resource.

Now if you still have moral reservations at the point in the zombie apocalypse where cannibalism becomes a pragmatic consideration, you could also try breeding pets. But you have to take into consideration their rate of breeding in order to compensate for how to sustain 20 people. Plus you'd have to make sure that the parents of the animal fetus can't fight back or won't fight back for eating their children.

[Kayden]

http://www.youtube.com/w/?v=IoXgRtDysLY

[SpazX]

Thanks. I think you could possibly sustain a group of twenty people per month off 5 fetuses. Remember, I said 2-3 women per men at a max of 20 people total, using a top max of 3 women per man, that's a 4 person group for a total of 5 groups. If you rotate each woman in each group for pregnancies, that comes out to five fetuses. Also, you ration out the fetus meat along w/ whatever other food you have on hand such as canned food, or candy. And remember, this policy would only be enacted after resources began to be severe. I think the more problematic issue would be waste management as well as untainted water.

Remember, we have plumbing that is governed by your local waste disposal unit. If civilization did break down, your toilets would eventually break down or get backed up full of shit since all the engineers/garbage guys have fled for the hills. Plus, shit would be difficult to remove from the compound since the zombie hordes are presumably outside your doorstep so it would eventually start to pile up. The rate of decay for fecal matter isn't that quick. Plus you have 20-something people who are all shitting approximately once a day. All that shit adds up.

The water supply is more hazardous as you can go w/o food for a time but water is vital for extended human life. If the body of water near you is eventually tainted (and it will, thanks to the accumulation of zombie bodies and shit from the waste disposal), it's a less-than zero sum game - your eventual loss of usable water would give out before you finished your food sources.

I agree that an adult would probably sustain more people but you need every able-bodied adult to defend the compound. So they have more utility than a helpless fetus. And a fetus is a renewable resource.

Now if you still have moral reservations at the point in the zombie apocalypse where cannibalism becomes a pragmatic consideration, you could also try breeding pets. But you have to take into consideration their rate of breeding in order to compensate for how to sustain 20 people. Plus you'd have to make sure that the parents of the animal fetus can't fight back or won't fight back for eating their children.
Ah, I see what you're saying. I think that waste management would probably kill them off anyway like you're saying, but as far as the fetus thing goes wouldn't it be better to not impregnate anybody? Since it requires energy to produce the fetus and what-not, it would probably be more rational to just use what food you have available rather than producing more people.

Then if you were clever enough you could persuade everyone into mass suicide when the resources run out, but then you and a woman could fake it and live off of 18 bodies for quite a while (provided there is adequate refrigeration, which there probably wouldn't be).

:rofl: @ Kayden.

[jaykrue]

Ah, I see what you're saying. I think that waste management would probably kill them off anyway like you're saying, but as far as the fetus thing goes wouldn't it be better to not impregnate anybody? Since it requires energy to produce the fetus and what-not, it would probably be more rational to just use what food you have available rather than producing more people.

Then if you were clever enough you could persuade everyone into mass suicide when the resources run out, but then you and a woman could fake it and live off of 18 bodies for quite a while (provided there is adequate refrigeration, which there probably wouldn't be).

Well, like I was saying earlier, you wouldn't even bother w/ this policy until you started getting low on supplies. And it doesn't take all that much energy. :lol: It's an act that can take as little as 2 minutes or all the way up to a few hours (depending on sex drive, inclination, stamina, as well as the frequency of the zombie hordes' willingness to destroy any barricades put up). I don't know if it would be smarter to kill off 18 people to sustain just two. Remember, you need these people just as much as they need you - for both as a food source as well as another hand to help you protect/defend your compound. I think human beings generally have a high survival drive; it's counterintuitive to kill oneself needlessly which is why suicide is generally thought out instead of an impulse.

[SpazX]

Well, like I was saying earlier, you wouldn't even bother w/ this policy until you started getting low on supplies. And it doesn't take all that much energy. :lol: It's an act that can take as little as 2 minutes or all the way up to a few hours (depending on sex drive, inclination, stamina, as well as the frequency of the zombie hordes' willingness to destroy any barricades put up). I don't know if it would be smarter to kill off 18 people to sustain just two. Remember, you need these people just as much as they need you - for both as a food source as well as another hand to help you protect/defend your compound. I think human beings generally have a high survival drive; it's counterintuitive to kill oneself needlessly which is why suicide is generally thought out instead of an impulse.

lol, well I didn't mean the act of making a fetus, but the development. The woman is going to require more food while pregnant to successfully give birth. If she didn't have a baby she could eat less.

With suicide you have the plan where the oldest kills themself, but unless the ages are pretty varied in the group you're going to have a point where the oldest is the same age as somebody else or close to the age of everyone else and they won't be as willing to kill themselves to save everybody if they're 45 and everybody else's age ranges from like 38-43 or something. Then you could persuade them all to kill themselves at once just for the sake of making sure you survive yourself. But you'd have to do it before it was your turn to die or everybody would suspect you.

[jaykrue]

lol, well I didn't mean the act of making a fetus, but the development. The woman is going to require more food while pregnant to successfully give birth. If she didn't have a baby she could eat less.

With suicide you have the plan where the oldest kills themself, but unless the ages are pretty varied in the group you're going to have a point where the oldest is the same age as somebody else or close to the age of everyone else and they won't be as willing to kill themselves to save everybody if they're 45 and everybody else's age ranges from like 38-43 or something. Then you could persuade them all to kill themselves at once just for the sake of making sure you survive yourself. But you'd have to do it before it was your turn to die or everybody would suspect you.

Remember, you're raising fetuses as food; it doesn't necessarily matter if they're born healthy - just edible. Remember, women in desolate areas in Africa still give birth to babies. The fetus will mostly come out malnourished or stillborn but still enough of size to sustain 4 people. As far as the age range, I don't think age will be too much of an issue (except in the case of twins) as even if 2 ppl are, say 45 yrs old, one of them will most likely be older than another by months. So the oldest goes. As I said, you might have to kill them if they're (most likely) unwilling. I still think having 20 people is a better long term solution (since they can protect, defend, be another set of eyes, another pair of hands) than killing most of the group for the short term survival of 2 people.

[Kayden]

I dunno... I think I could eat a whole healthy featus and still be hungry...

Why don't they just turn the shit into a compost heap and grow mushrooms in it?

Remember, you're raising fetuses as food; it doesn't necessarily matter if they're born healthy - just edible. Remember, women in desolate areas in Africa still give birth to babies. The fetus will mostly come out malnourished or stillborn but still enough of size to sustain 4 people. As far as the age range, I don't think age will be too much of an issue (except in the case of twins) as even if 2 ppl are, say 45 yrs old, one of them will most likely be older than another by months. So the oldest goes. As I said, you might have to kill them if they're (most likely) unwilling. I still think having 20 people is a better long term solution (since they can protect, defend, be another set of eyes, another pair of hands) than killing most of the group for the short term survival of 2 people.

[jaykrue]

I dunno... I think I could eat a whole healthy featus and still be hungry...

Why don't they just turn the shit into a compost heap and grow mushrooms in it?

Well, you're not exactly trying to eat to your fullest. You're just eating enough to survive the next day of zombie hell.

The mushroom idea sounds good but, iirc, you need a dark, damp place to grow mushrooms. Dark is easy but damp?

[Kayden]

Pee on it too. :bouncy:

Well, you're not exactly trying to eat to your fullest. You're just eating enough to survive the next day of zombie hell.

The mushroom idea sounds good but, iirc, you need a dark, damp place to grow mushrooms. Dark is easy but damp?

[Ender]

You people never cease to amaze me.

[sblymnlcrymnl]

This disturbs me on many levels and I'm not talking about the zombies. I think I lost some brain cells reading this thread. I'm quite disturbed that someone who claims Mensa as a badge of intelligence would be so lacking in thoroughly thinking this out. SpazX got it mostly right.

First of all, using muscle memory as an excuse is stupid. Muscle memory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscle_memory) is still stored in the brain. It's simply a way to make the chemical communication between brain and muscle more efficient so that one doesn't actively have to think about the process. Thus you still need a brain.

Second of all, what you mistaken refer to as muscle memory is called a reflex arc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflex_arc). Those are the ones which don't need a direct command from the brain. But things like walking, talking, running, fine/gross hand manipulation (playing the piano/slapping someone's face) etc. all require impulses from the brain. Using the peripheral nervous system (i.e. whatever ISN'T the central nervous system like the brain, etc.), and more specifically, the somatic portion of the peripheral nervous system is what helps a muscle voluntarily move.

Third, you fail to account for apoptosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apoptosis) and necrosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrosis) (ordered and accidental cellular death respectively) as a big factor why zombies can't work. Apoptosis is decided either by the cell itself, the surrounding tissue, or from the immune system. In any of those cases, the cell is broken down and converted either as waste material or recycled as cellular "food" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phagocytosis). Necrosis results from trauma via injury, infection, cancer, poisons, etc. and only compounds the problem of apoptosis. Apoptosis is even more dangerous to zombies than people since it would essentially be a combo form of zombie ebola and muscular dystrophy. Since the zombie body is, for all intents and purposes, dead, the normal regenerative body processes won't replace any of the dead cells and if there aren't any cells being made, then the muscle fibers break down, neurons break down (causing misfired neurotransmitters), and organs break down.

The breakdown of muscles w/o replacement means there's less muscles to move resulting in weak strength so a zombie would have less gripping strength than a baby. And that's also why zombies would be shuffling and not running. The breakdown of nerve cells is potentially even worse since you'd have involuntary muscle control resulting in a horde of zombies falling on the ground jerking like someone having a spastic seizure. Plus consider the fact that if any signals from the brain are cut off due to missing neurons (again, due to either apoptosis or necrosis), you're left w/ an undead paraplegic. Not much danger there. :roll: This is also why a shot to the head is the best thing to do to a zombie. The organs are important for a body in that they're the collective gears that make the human body tick. The stomach and intestines are responsible for breaking down matter into usable matter which are sent to be used by all the cells in the body. This matter is converted into sugars (ATP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenosine_triphosphate)) by mitochondria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondria) which live inside cells. Muscles need ATP to actually move thanks to the sliding filament mechanism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sliding_filament_mechanism). The heart & blood vessels are the essential distribution system in the body which distribute various substances (oxygen, food matter, cellular waste, etc.) to the right organ. So a zombie would still need all these things to function.

Fourth, there's the little thing called rigor mortis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rigor_mortis). Were someone to become a zombie, in as little as 12 hours, his body would become rigid and unable to move. And you have at least 2-3 days before the muscles soften again but it won't matter because, as I've already outlined above, apoptosis/necrosis would be occurring concurrently.

Fifth, a contagion of this nature would naturally be contained simply because of the nature of a too-fast moving plague. If a plague is too fast, it will burn itself out after claiming only a few victims (few being in the hundreds of thousands) so it couldn't spread worldwide even taking into account air travel. The worst hit would be major cities but it would be highly unlikely to spread beyond the suburbs.

Sixth, because a brain is still required for voluntary movement, a zombie is incapable of handling even simple machinery such as a car let alone complex machinery like a plane. So escape is as easy as getting in your car and getting out of Dodge for 2 weeks (which is how long it would take for a zombie's muscle to breakdown to the point that they'd just be bodies in the streets.

Now, strictly as a thought exercise, the best way to survive would be to escape to the country and secure a highly fortified compound near a large body of water (probably a prison, school, or city hall) for a month (just to be sure if there's any zombie laggers not doing their job of breaking down their bodies). Now, if for some reason, resources ran out or the zombie apocalyse took longer than a month (read: years), cannibalism would be the last resort. The best thing to do would be to make sure there's at least 2-3 women per man at a maximum of 20 people since anything more becomes unsustainable in terms of allocated resources as well as protection. The men would impregnate one of their respective women at 2 month intervals to ensure that there would be enough fetuses every one or two months after the first year. During the 1st month of the 2nd year, allow one fetus to live to adult maturity. Repeat this process every 10 years (shorter if you'd be willing to risk smaller resource allocation upon a growing population). Once the child reaches the age of 17, the oldest living person will commit suicide (or be killed) to serve as sustenance for the community. Yeah, it's pretty gruesome but, if the zombie apocalyse came down, there's not exactly a time to have moral dilemmas. Pragmatism is more important. It's all about survival of the fittest and the fittest to survive. It seems pixie isn't the only one who's spent entirely too much time worrying about this. :lol: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[jaykrue]

It seems pixie isn't the only one who's spent entirely too much time worrying about this. :lol: :applause: :applause: :applause:

Define "too much time". If you mean more than a lazy weekend morning's worth, then yes. :lol:

[SpazX]

Remember, you're raising fetuses as food; it doesn't necessarily matter if they're born healthy - just edible. Remember, women in desolate areas in Africa still give birth to babies. The fetus will mostly come out malnourished or stillborn but still enough of size to sustain 4 people. As far as the age range, I don't think age will be too much of an issue (except in the case of twins) as even if 2 ppl are, say 45 yrs old, one of them will most likely be older than another by months. So the oldest goes. As I said, you might have to kill them if they're (most likely) unwilling. I still think having 20 people is a better long term solution (since they can protect, defend, be another set of eyes, another pair of hands) than killing most of the group for the short term survival of 2 people.

Yeah I know, but it still takes more energy to produce a baby than to not. I'm sure the malnourished women in Africa that have babies are given more than their share while they're pregnant, even if that's still a terribly small amount. I just don't think that part of it is worth it. One fetus would probably sustain 4 people for one meal, maybe one day. 9 months (or probably a little less) of development for 1 day's meal? I just think it would make more sense without any of that.

I get what you're saying about the workers and what not. And you'd definitely have to start killing people unless they were pretty old. It all depends on your spot in the line of death really, if I was young enough that the others couldn't overpower me I'd sure as hell try to kill them before they killed me. So maybe not 18 to sustain 2 which is pretty dumb (unless I was number 1 to die), but if was coming to be my time and I wasn't already pretty old I'd try my best to get out of it.

[jaykrue]

Yeah I know, but it still takes more energy to produce a baby than to not. I'm sure the malnourished women in Africa that have babies are given more than their share while they're pregnant, even if that's still a terribly small amount. I just don't think that part of it is worth it. One fetus would probably sustain 4 people for one meal, maybe one day. 9 months (or probably a little less) of development for 1 day's meal? I just think it would make more sense without any of that.

I get what you're saying about the workers and what not. And you'd definitely have to start killing people unless they were pretty old. It all depends on your spot in the line of death really, if I was young enough that the others couldn't overpower me I'd sure as hell try to kill them before they killed me. So maybe not 18 to sustain 2 which is pretty dumb (unless I was number 1 to die), but if was coming to be my time and I wasn't already pretty old I'd try my best to get out of it.

True. But the pregnant women only need a small amount to survive. I think you could stretch out that fetus for a whole month. Remember, you're not gorging yourself like it's Thanksgiving; you're rationing it out in small amounts. When I was a little kid in the philippines, we use to stretch out a full grown roasted chicken for about 3 weeks. And we didn't let any part go to waste as even when the bones were the only thing left, we'd grind them down to make soup.

Yeah, the urge to live is very difficult to overpower but remember that you've been beaten down by the zombie apocalyse and there's really not a lot of hope to live for. So it comes down to self-will vs. community needs.

[SpazX]

It seems pixie isn't the only one who's spent entirely too much time worrying about this. :lol: :applause: :applause: :applause:
This is the conversation we could've had if she said "what would your plan be if there was suddenly a zombie outbreak" in good fun rather than, "What's your zombie plan? OMG I totally think about this every night I think I have a mental disorder this is totally 100% realistic cuz I'm in Mensa"

[SpazX]

True. But the pregnant women only need a small amount to survive. I think you could stretch out that fetus for a whole month. Remember, you're not gorging yourself like it's Thanksgiving; you're rationing it out in small amounts. When I was a little kid in the philippines, we use to stretch out a full grown roasted chicken for about 3 weeks. And we didn't let any part go to waste as even when the bones were the only thing left, we'd grind them down to make soup.

Yeah, the urge to live is very difficult to overpower but remember that you've been beaten down by the zombie apocalyse and there's really not a lot of hope to live for. So it comes down to self-will vs. community needs.

Yeah I know people can live on what I eat today for a week or more, but maybe I'm thinking of a smaller fetus than you are :-k. If they could stretch that out then that would be good, but my thinking is just that the energy used to create a baby cannot be less than the energy provided by consuming said baby. So somewhere in the development there's energy going into that baby that if it went into the other people would negate the energy from eating the baby.

I'm sure I'd think differently about the suicide if there was a zombie apocalypse, but my thought now is that if I was young (say less than 40) and I thought there was a chance of surviving without them and making it through to finish out my life I'd have to take it.

[jaykrue]

Yeah I know people can live on what I eat today for a week or more, but maybe I'm thinking of a smaller fetus than you are :-k. If they could stretch that out then that would be good, but my thinking is just that the energy used to create a baby cannot be less than the energy provided by consuming said baby. So somewhere in the development there's energy going into that baby that if it went into the other people would negate the energy from eating the baby.

I'm sure I'd think differently about the suicide if there was a zombie apocalypse, but my thought now is that if I was young (say less than 40) and I thought there was a chance of surviving without them and making it through to finish out my life I'd have to take it.

You're right that the energy used to create the baby can't be less than that proved (as you're feeding the mom over a projected span of 9 months) but don't forget you're going to enact this idea when your supplies are getting low not already gone (because then that's just piss poor long term thinking). Plus your metabolism at this point will have slowed to a crawl, making due w/ what very little is on hand. So energy consumption won't be as much as the early days of the zombie apocalypse when food was still relatively plentiful. It would probably help to set up some kind of garden to supplement your meat but plants require dirt/space so you've got some thinking to do. And assuming the zombie plague happened overnight, I doubt the zombies would give you a chance to run down to Home Depot for fertilizer and tools.

As for the suicide thing, 40 is pretty old if you think about life expectancy in the old days. Remember, zombie hell isn't gonna give you a chance to head down to the local hospital for your booster shots and aspirin. The overall quality of life will decrease because you've run out of filters for your water, salt will quite precious (acting as a preservative), medicine is in short supply forcing people to forgo many things to stretch them out. Also, I'm sure since your shit will be close by, it will become a haven for rats & insects and thus bringing disease with them. Fortunately, rats & insects can be used to supplement that fetus meat. I'd say life expectancy would take a drop as well as a result. So you'd be back to the life expectancy of someone living during the 1600s or earlier. Plus I think a group of 20-30 somethings can take down a 40 yr old. Remember everyone is malnourished so the 40 yr old probably won't be as fit as one that works out today. But the 20-30 yr olds have youth on their side so their immune systems won't be as ravaged.

[sblymnlcrymnl]

Define "too much time". If you mean more than a lazy weekend morning's worth, then yes. :lol: Any time at all, really. :lol:

[solid snake]

so like what kinda zombies are we talkin here like resident evil zombies ,or just normal zombies?

in any case my plan would be find a group of survivng ppl if theres time ,then find a surplus and gun store, we would load up on assualt rifles,hand guns etc. maybe find some law enfforcement or millitary guys with m203's get them get ussome supplies.
then once stocked up we would form a ressistance army against the Zombies.
then evauntually get different groups or teams together to go to power and water stations and turn everything back on assuming that all the workers at those places had there brains eaten all ready and the stuff shut off.

bascially my plan would be kill all zombies and return to normal life after words.

lol even though zombies arent real.

iuse to have a friend in middle school that had the zombie survival guide and he thought they were real he was obsessed with them.

[jaykrue]

so like what kinda zombies are we talkin here like resident evil zombies ,or just normal zombies? Normal run of the mill zombie (slow or fast but non-mutating).

[SilverPaw750]

Try to blend in.

[DiscoDuck8k]

If they were the type, say.. from the Dawn of the Dead remake.

Your plans just became obsolete; you're fucked.

[Eviltude]

I'm going to The Winchester.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4MXHPfMYXg

[Pookymeister]

I'd have one of them do a strip tease for me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DA-Oz3MUAc


Or maybe just have them wash my car

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAQez6n48u0

[chakan]

They're coming!

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152972

[Kayden]

They're coming!

After that video, so am I.

[Cry Havoc]

I heard this on the radio and thought of this thread.


http://hub.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071024/NOISE05/710240310


If the zombies attacked today, would you be ready? Would Lansing?

Prepared for an invasion

Lansing police and fire crews say they're ready for any attack on our fine city. Officials said Lansing wouldn't be taken by surprise and in a few hours could be armed to the teeth.

"We have been doing mock disasters and cross training for several years," said Lansing Police Lt. Bruce Ferguson.

"People can feel confident, if zombies start invading, we'll know how to close the streets. We can get chainsaws too.

"If a swarm comes in on I-496 westbound, we'll block off the exits so they miss the city."

If zombies do attack, Lansing seems to be the place to be.

[darthbudge]

I think we should all stock up on Phlanx just to be sure.

[jaykrue]

I heard this on the radio and thought of this thread.


http://hub.lsj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071024/NOISE05/710240310



If zombies do attack, Lansing seems to be the place to be.

I highly doubt Lansing would be ready. The thing about a zombie attack is that it's predicated on usually being a biological attack - bite one guy, make a new zombie. Thus, it wouldn't be right to prepare for it only as if it's an invading army. You'd have to treat it as if it's both. To prepare for such a thing, you'd have to have steel reinforced hazmat suits readily available and in almost every closet of every home, office, or building. I doubt anyone in the city government takes such things seriously enough to protect it citizens due to its absurdity. If Lansing were ground zero, I can guarantee you that the city wouldn't survive. It'd be like the final city scene in the first Resident Evil movie - devastated and full of zombies.

[Apossum]

The best place to be would be a high rise, with a sniper rifle.

You could just rob people's apartments for non-perishables for a long time and hopefully by then Leon will have found the cure for the T-virus.

[jaykrue]

The best place to be would be a high rise, with a sniper rifle.

You could just rob people's apartments for non-perishables for a long time and hopefully by then Leon will have found the cure for the T-virus.

Unfortunately that's also predicated on anyone having a definitive cure for a virus. We haven't even cured the common cold. Viruses can generally be only cured via the immune system. There are some antiviral remedies. But they're too far and few. The only things we can definitely do are create a vaccine to build immunity in human beings as a preventive measure. But that calls for the immune system to be robust enough to withstand a zombie plague in the first place.

[Salmonday]

Where I live, if the zombies come in search of brains, they will starve long before they reach me.


EDIT: I should point out for purposes of full disclosure that I have accepted my fate, and I am in fact at this very moment wearing my "ZOMBIE FOOD" T-shirt, courtesy of Ze Stuff.

[chimpian]

actually i just had this conversation with a friend of mine and my wife about vampire attacks

we must wear tight fitting clothes, nothing for them to grab on. and you should notice if they do grab onto you before you get bitten.
ive got a sword and i plan on getting another for the misses, the kids .....um... they should stay close i guess no idea about them.

also incase of vampire invasion IE 30 days of night UV flash light bulbs, so at least we can keep them at bay for a little while (flash lights are those ones you shack for power).

place to sleep should only have one entrance/exit on ground floor and the ability to drop a latter/rope to get out.
never go underground.

so im thinking the local school, even with windows and such we can keep going up/closing off sections then get the f out.

trick is to keep moving and pay attention.

there is more but i am crazy and have been planing this since the age of 10 lol.

[Apossum]

Unfortunately that's also predicated on anyone having a definitive cure for a virus. We haven't even cured the common cold. Viruses can generally be only cured via the immune system. There are some antiviral remedies. But they're too far and few. The only things we can definitely do are create a vaccine to build immunity in human beings as a preventive measure. But that calls for the immune system to be robust enough to withstand a zombie plague in the first place.


The only cure is to have intercourse with zombie Scarlett Johanssen. it's kind of a double edged sword :\

[pittpizza]

I just watched 28 weeks later. You would have to have a different kind of plan for these guys because they become zombies basically 5-10 seconds after they're bitten.

One thing we can all do now that will help is just psychologically get comfortable with the fact that we may have to blow our loved one's heads off if they get bitten. SO many times I see people get zombified because they dont have the moxie to blast their wife in the face with a shotgun.

The zombies in 28 weeks later are really, really fast and strong. Plus they dont want to eat you, they just want to infect you. Luckily they are pretty stupid and can't drive so getting/staying in a moving vehicle doesnt sound liek too bad of an idea.