is this a good 1080p tv for the PS3

[starmask2k3]

link here-
http://www.onsale.com/shop/detail.aspx?dpno=7296258&source=BWBE3570&wt.mc_id=BWBE3570

[rvdrock]

Damn only 900? Thats crazy talk for a 42'

[VipFREAK]

refurb...

[freshzen]

I'd get an extra $200 and save it until you can buy a non-reburb. If you wait to black friday you might be able to get a 46-47" 1080p for $1100-1300 :)

Unless you're going to be sitting within 5-6' of the TV you might want to try and get something bigger than 42" for a 1080p...to get the full experience.

[Thomas96]

I'd get an extra $200 and save it until you can buy a non-reburb. If you wait to black friday you might be able to get a 46-47" 1080p for $1100-1300 :)

Unless you're going to be sitting within 5-6' of the TV you might want to try and get something bigger than 42" for a 1080p...to get the full experience.



yeah, after last year, I'm not every going to buy a TV on a day other than black friday. Those black friday deals aren't hardly matched on any other day. I'm still trying to find a deal that bests the one I got on BF 2006.


[edit] it's tempting, but when you spending 900 plus dollars.. brand new is best. You never know how WELL its been refurbed, until you get it home.

[snowsquirrel]

At many B&M shops, the cost of extended warranty is usually about what you save on the refurb. I find this to be a nice option when available.

Also, after reading through avsforums.com, even the high end tv's end being taken back enough to make me think twice about buying non-local.

According to avsforums, the Vizio tv's are actually considered one of the better value lcd's. There are enough people on those forums who say they work quite well with the ps3. I was looking to grab one, before I realized that they aren't sold in canada yet. Seems like the most popular place to grab one (in the usa) is Costco, due to price, and their great return policy.

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[redgopher]

That's kind of a shitty contrast ratio... do yourself a favor and save up another $1000 bucks and buy a Samsung 46" LCD instead of a no-name or lesser-name brand. I know this is CAG, but when it comes to expensive purchases, don't be a cheap douche. You'll regret it if you drop half the cost of a good TV on a bad TV.

[Mahoney07]

Contrast Ratio is fine.

[getmyrunon]

I know this is CAG, but when it comes to expensive purchases, don't be a cheap douche. You'll regret it if you drop half the cost of a good TV on a bad TV.

Unfortunately, CAG mentality pretty much overrides common sense in situations like this. But people usually don't even know what they're missing, so it all works out.

[Mechafenris]

I think it's fine too... and of course, the higher the contrast ratio, the better the definition of black v. white in images and during use. The higher the contrast ratio, the less likely everything will look just 'dark grey' or something like that.

My TV was one thing I decided I wouldn't skimp on, being a cheap person at heart though, it was difficult. :) My TV (at the time) was one of the best I could find that wasn't 70" or made of real baby seal skin.... (a Samsung 32" LCD) Granted, mine's not 1080p, but at that screen size, and at the time of purchase... (been almost a year), it was the best of the bunch in my size range (I have a small section in which to place a TV, and 32" is a tight fit...)

I've skimped on just about everything else, but the TV must be the jewel of your system, or you'll regret even watching a test pattern.

[Thomas96]

here's a good 1080i tv... (w 720p) http://www.ecost.com/detail.aspx?edp=37138097&store=ecost&source=ECOSTCJ&source=ewbperformics&adcampaign=email,ECOSTCJ,%20ewbperformics&source=ewbperformics

[TheShiz]

i have a 42" vizio 1080p lcd, it's great, but yeah the contrast ratio isn't the best, but I don't really notice it. the picture is great, for $1000 i'm happy

[InuFaye]

I wouldnt waste money on a vizio.
Like everyone else has said save up the cash and buy a nice plasma. You will thank me later.

[s0undwav3]

Get the 50 or 56 DLP Samsung they go for around $1100 to $1500, I got mine from Amazon because of no tax and free shipping. The TV rocks, plus it has a special mode just for gaming (called Game Mode) and it actually helps a lot with blacks and vivid colors. It made Gears of War look totally awesome for my 360. And remember this is no burn in problem at all with DLP. If you have a big living room or wherever you are going to play, get a 56 but if it's like a 12x12 bedroom go below 50, any size above will be way overkill and you can't sit far enough back. I tried to sit close to my 56 once and I got a headache because my eyes had to dart from point to point so fast.

[NamelessMC]

I wouldnt waste money on a vizio.
Like everyone else has said save up the cash and buy a nice plasma. You will thank me later.

They won't thank you. In fact, Vizio owners might thank you because attitude like that wouldn't be welcome with them.

My friend had a Samsung 32" LCD, about $950 brand new. My other friend got a Westinghouse 37" LCD for about $850 brand new. I got the Vizio 32XL for $500-ish on a sale day. We spent about 5 hours tuning and optimizing the video on each one and mine won the visual quality preference with all my friends, to the point my friend with a Samsung returned his and my friend with his Westinghouse is trying to sell his on Craiglist to get a 37" Vizio of the same model line as mine.

Vizio is a diamond in the rough and they're starting to try to get more recognition with TV spots. I think I saw an ad from them during Best Damn Sports Show Period the other night.

Vizio is highly recommended on AVS forums (where there are very snobby videophilles I might add) and also highly recommended on Playstation.com forums (which is where I got convinced to get mine).

[The Mana Knight]

I wouldn't get Vizio. I know several who had their Vizio HDTVs die within a month. Even worse, it costs way too much to get them fixed (almost half the price of the TV). Luckily my Dad got his at Sam's Club, and they allowed him to return it.

[InuFaye]

Get nice Pioneer plasma and be happy.

[NamelessMC]

Get nice Pioneer plasma and be happy.

I feel bad for anyone that opts to buy a Plasma at this point. Plasma lost the high definition panel war and having a "so many hour" life time before being FULLY dead is just as discouraging.

[Koggit]

I feel bad for anyone that opts to buy a Plasma at this point. Plasma lost the high definition panel war and having a "so many hour" life time before being FULLY dead is just as discouraging.

Most plasmas are rated at 60,000 hours to half life. That's longer than CRTs...


Plasma didn't lose any war, both plasma and LCD are viable options, the better option is mostly dependent on what size you're in the market for. Generally speaking, if you're in the market for something small (37" or less), go LCD. If you want something larger (42" or larger), go plasma. There are some nice large LCDs and some nice small plasmas, but this is a fairly accurate generalization.

[Azumangaman]

Get nice Pioneer plasma and be happy.
QFT. Theres nothing better in the Mainstream market.
/thread

[NamelessMC]

Most plasmas are rated at 60,000 hours to half life. That's longer than CRTs...


Plasma didn't lose any war, both plasma and LCD are viable options, the better option is mostly dependent on what size you're in the market for. Generally speaking, if you're in the market for something small (37" or less), go LCD. If you want something larger (42" or larger), go plasma. There are some nice large LCDs and some nice small plasmas, but this is a fairly accurate generalization.

Find me a nice 720p/1080i Plasma for the price the OP is shopping for.

When you fail miserably, go ahead and come back and try to derail the subject into what he should save up to buy because of "higher standards", and I'll continue to trout my $500 screen with excellent 1080i/720p support.

When you find a plasma in that price range of the same size with the same visual quality, I'll admit and humble myself. And about some people having Vizios fail a month after, it hasn't happened to me or any of my friends' units, and even if it did, I bought the extended warranty. I would NEVER spend more than $300 on an electronic component of any kind without an extended warranty.

[Koggit]

Find me a nice 720p/1080i Plasma for the price the OP is shopping for.

When you fail miserably, go ahead and come back and try to derail the subject into what he should save up to buy because of "higher standards", and I'll continue to trout my $500 screen with excellent 1080i/720p support.

When you find a plasma in that price range of the same size with the same visual quality, I'll admit and humble myself. And about some people having Vizios fail a month after, it hasn't happened to me or any of my friends' units, and even if it did, I bought the extended warranty. I would NEVER spend more than $300 on an electronic component of any kind without an extended warranty.

Either I'm missing your point, or you're not making one.

You first spread misinformation about plasma lifespans, then when I call you out on it, you just 'challenge' me to find a better "deal" for your needs?

First off, this isn't a competition, dude. This is a discussion.

Second, LCD and plasma are two technologies that each have their fair share of pros and cons, and depending on the consumers' needs. The 'best' buy is going to depend on personal needs and budget. Size, price range, room conditions, primary usage of the set -- what's best for me might not be best for you, what's best for you might not be best for the OP. There is no one universal answer. I didn't say there was. I just corrected your misinformation.

When you come in here and try to strong-arm people into telling you that your TV is a good deal, you're going to look like a douchebag. First because you're being a pompous ass, and second because there is no objective best buy. It's all about means and needs.

[NamelessMC]

Either I'm missing your point, or you're not making one.

You first spread misinformation about plasma lifespans, then when I call you out on it, you just 'challenge' me to find a better "deal" for your needs?

First off, this isn't a competition, dude. This is a discussion.

Second, LCD and plasma are two technologies that each have their fair share of pros and cons, and depending on the consumers' needs. The 'best' buy is going to depend on personal needs and budget. Size, price range, room conditions, primary usage of the set -- what's best for me might not be best for you, what's best for you might not be best for the OP. There is no one universal answer. I didn't say there was. I just corrected your misinformation.

When you come in here and try to strong-arm people into telling you that your TV is a good deal, you're going to look like a douchebag. First because you're being a pompous ass, and second because there is no objective best buy. It's all about means and needs.

I was knocking Plasma initially because I hate gas burn out and Plasma has no business in this discussion. The guy listed a cheaper TV alternative and people suggested cheap alternatives. Where does Plasma fit in all that? Especially Pioneer plasma?

And then someone has the audacity to say "thread over" after Pioneer plasma recommendation?

Yeah, entirely right. This thread is so over and the problem is entirely resolved. No reason the OP should feel unsatisfied about the responses he gets when he posts a less than $1000 TV he's considering purchasing and everyone tells him "hay dats not gud u shud get dis pioneer plasma lawl" which are typically $1800-2500.

I don't give a crap about Plasma's or the pro's justifying them, because unless I plan on spending more than $2000 on a unit, I have no business near them.

[InuFaye]

First off the guy asked if it was a good tv. We said no because its a refurb. Then we started suggesting other TV's. I said Pioneer Plasma because its the best mainstream tv that you can buy. Then you decide you need to be a pompous asshole and tell us that your magic vizio is somehow better then tvs twice the price. You lie about plasmas and then come up with some find something better for XXX amount of dollars. Which didnt even apply to the conversation. This whole thread is getting OT just because you want to try and justify your shitty tv purchase.

[getmyrunon]

Buying a TV is like buying a car - there's no clear cut winner - you've got to do a certain amount of research, prioritize the features that are important to you, and then go from there.

There are times to buy budget goods, and personally I don't believe that TVs are one of those times, but to each his own.

[Koggit]

I was knocking Plasma initially because I hate gas burn out and Plasma has no business in this discussion. The guy listed a cheaper TV alternative and people suggested cheap alternatives. Where does Plasma fit in all that? Especially Pioneer plasma?

And then someone has the audacity to say "thread over" after Pioneer plasma recommendation?

Yeah, entirely right. This thread is so over and the problem is entirely resolved. No reason the OP should feel unsatisfied about the responses he gets when he posts a less than $1000 TV he's considering purchasing and everyone tells him "hay dats not gud u shud get dis pioneer plasma lawl" which are typically $1800-2500.

I don't give a crap about Plasma's or the pro's justifying them, because unless I plan on spending more than $2000 on a unit, I have no business near them.

I'm not going to continue fueling the fire you started, since it should never have existed, but I'd just like to say you can easily get a 1080p plasma 42" or larger from a reputable brand (Samsung, Pioneer, Panasonic) for under $1,500 even when not on sale, and under $1,200 during a good sale.

Stop spreading misinformation.

[NamelessMC]

First off the guy asked if it was a good tv. We said no because its a refurb. Then we started suggesting other TV's. I said Pioneer Plasma because its the best mainstream tv that you can buy. Then you decide you need to be a pompous asshole and tell us that your magic vizio is somehow better then tvs twice the price. You lie about plasmas and then come up with some find something better for XXX amount of dollars. Which didnt even apply to the conversation. This whole thread is getting OT just because you want to try and justify your shitty tv purchase.

It's a simple question, why suggest a $1500 TV to a guy that's OBVIOUSLY in the market to spend $900-ish? That's not just a bad suggestion, it's throwing salt on people's wounds.

Some people don't, and don't WANT to spend $1500 on a TV, even if they COULD save up for it. It's funny how you justify what you spend on your own opinion. It's just like the PS3. Even if I made $100,000, I could still see reasons I wouldn't want to buy a $600 gaming console.

[Koggit]

It's a simple question, why suggest a $1500 TV to a guy that's OBVIOUSLY in the market to spend $900-ish? That's not just a bad suggestion, it's throwing salt on people's wounds.

Some people don't, and don't WANT to spend $1500 on a TV, even if they COULD save up for it. It's funny how you justify what you spend on your own opinion. It's just like the PS3. Even if I made $100,000, I could still see reasons I wouldn't want to buy a $600 gaming console.

This is going to be my last response to you, so further trolling is pointless. Starting off with a recap...

Only one person suggested getting a plasma, and they said...

Get nice Pioneer plasma and be happy.

Then another user chimed in to vouch the statement, just to let the OP know it's a worthwhile idea to look into. That's when you busted in with the misinformation about plasmas' life span. The only thing I did was correct you, and your response to that was an unfounded attack on their suggestions. I can only assume your lack of rationale is due to you being butthurt about not getting a standing ovation for your crappy TV.

How much money the OP is willing to spend is not known by anyone other than him at the moment. Paying $900 for a refurb of a lower quality TV is not necessarily more appealing than spending $1,200 on a higher quality boxed unit. Nor vice versa. We don't know what suits the OP best, only he does. Once again, this is not a competition, it's a discussion. Part of that discussion was saying, for many people, a 42" 1080p plasma by a reputable brand is a great option. That, unlike your baseless attacks on plasma as a display technology, is a factual statement. There's no debate.