40gb PS3 $399, no bc - 11/2, $499 80gb, limited bc, now. 56,877 new skus rumored

[Apossum]

Stolen from GAF who stole it from Arstechnica:
http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/09/09/500-80gb-ps3-with-a-spiderman-3-blu-ray-pack-in-our-mole-lets-us-in-on-sonys-future-plans

$400 40GB PS3 with Spidey 3 Blu-ray pack-in? Our mole tells all
By Ben Kuchera | Published: September 09, 2007 - 10:16PM CT

Our mole has a great track record: both the Xbox 360 HDMI story and the wired Xbox 360 Rock Band controllers have since been confirmed. Whoever our friendly inside source is, he's got some great contacts. Now he's ready to tell us what Sony's console pricing plans may soon look like. Here's how Sony's platform pricing will shape up by the holiday shopping season:

80GB PlayStation 3: $499.99
40GB PlayStation 3: $399.99
Spider-Man 3 Blu-ray movie pack in with one, or both
PlayStation 2: $99.99

The 80GB price drop isn't that shocking, but a new $400 40GB system would be huge news. Would people be willing to part with 40GB to save $100? I think so, and having a $400 PlayStation 3 option would be a great weapon this holiday season. If they get to show off the Blu-ray capabilities of the system with Spider-Man 3 bundled? That's a nice package.

The $99.99 PlayStation 2 would ensure that the venerable system will continue to sell well. This is rumor for now, but when Sony makes some announcements at the Tokyo Game Show, I would not be shocked if these were among them. You heard it here first.

[dpatel]

All of that seems possible aside from the 40GB SKU, but that is definitely something Sony would need this holiday season.

[Paco]

I would bite for the 40 gb SKU. Hell if this deal at gamecrazy continues to hold with the playstation 2s at 90 dollars trade in value, then I'll definitely do it. I'll even cheapen it up by getting the 20 gb "with emotion engine still intact" and try to see how cheap I can go.

[thespamofpower]

i don't see the 40GB version happening. The price difference between a 80GB and a 40GB sata hard drive is not enough to make up that $100 difference (a quick search on price watch shows only about a $5 difference). So unless there is something else that is removed from the 40GB version, then it just doesn't make much sense for Sony to lose more money on that SKU.

[gunm]

Kind of opposite of what Kaz said about wanting to keep a single sku. Still, it's a lovely rumor and those prices would certainly move more PS3s this holiday.

[dpatel]

i don't see the 40GB version happening. The price difference between a 80GB and a 40GB sata hard drive is not enough to make up that $100 difference (a quick search on price watch shows only about a $5 difference). So unless there is something else that is removed from the 40GB version, then it just doesn't make much sense for Sony to lose more money on that SKU.

The 60GB and 20GB were like this too. Although the 60GB had additional features, there were still taking a bigger loss on the 20GBs.

It's normally done as a 'bait and switch' type of thing. The $400 price will entice many more buyers, and, when they get to the store, they will see they can get the 'premium version' for only $100 more. This won't work on everyone (It's mainly for the more uninformed casual crowd), but it will bring in this few extra sales on the 80GB that might not have otherwise happened.

[A Happy Panda]

Very tempting. It's a shame Spiderman 3 sucks so much.

[dpatel]

Wasn't the movie filmed in 1080p? Would be a good showcase for Blu-ray.

[The Mana Knight]

i don't see the 40GB version happening. The price difference between a 80GB and a 40GB sata hard drive is not enough to make up that $100 difference (a quick search on price watch shows only about a $5 difference). So unless there is something else that is removed from the 40GB version, then it just doesn't make much sense for Sony to lose more money on that SKU.I see Sony dropping WiFi and card readers, maybe something else too.

[Punk_Raven]

I would totally bite. I'd be happy with 40gb. Weird though, as they discontinued the 20 gigs.

[Thomas96]

two points:

1. Toshiba is pissed off that there's even a chance in hell that a blu ray movie is being packed in with the PS3.

2. 399/499 is pretty good pricing, however... its not worth nothing if they don't advertise it right. PS3 needs FFVII, and HALO 3 treatment.
Sony needs to make kids believe if they get anything other than a PS3 for chrismas, then they've gotten a lump of coal.

[Callandor]

I'd buy a 40 gig at that price. :)

Well, I would, but my nice job ends December, and I need to conserve money for a few months...

[Zen Davis]

Thats pretty damn close to the sweet spot.

[The Mana Knight]

Thats pretty damn close to the sweet spot.$500 is already cheap to me. ;)

If I were Sony, I would:

80GB
Same stuff
Spiderman The Movie 3 blu-ray
HDMI cable also included

40GB
Mostly identical as 20GB, without WiFi and card readers.

Sell WiFi adapters for $60
Sell card readers for $30

[FoxHoundADAM]

I've got $325 of trade in credit built up, I'd love it if a $400 model was release, and SOON!

I might just say screw it and get a 60 gig, cause I've already been burned on the 360's crapp BC.

But I don't see this happening until they offically are out of 60 gigs. I don't think Sony wants 3 different SKUs of their system availible at one time. Everyone seams to be sticking to cheap low end model and more costly high end.

[munch]

$500 is already cheap to me. ;)



And that's why no one takes you seriously on these boards.

[Dark Slayer120]

Damn, I was just hoping they would keep one version as there main system. I thought that was the whole point of getting rid of the 60/20gb versions. Ah well, if it helps sell PS3's then I can't blame Sony for doing that.


$500 is already cheap to me. ;)


:-s

[zewone]

I pray the 40GB rumor ends up being true.

[FoxHoundADAM]

What's funny is that one thing that is kinda putting me off from getting a PS3 is the fact that I'm totally addicted to acheievement points and if I got a PS3 I would only be buy the exclusive games as I would probably purchase the 360 version of anything else.

While the PS3 will have a pretty good exclusive lineup by next year I'm just not sure if it's enough to drop $500 on.

[Apossum]

$500 is already cheap to me. ;)




That's because you don't have any expenses because you live in your parents' basement.

[Dead of Knight]

$500 is already cheap to me. ;)
Sorry, this isn't Lick Sony's Ass Gamer, it's Cheap Ass Gamer.

[BattleChicken]

$500 is already cheap to me. ;)
I would venture to say that a LOT of the people on CAG make way, way WAY more money than you do, and its really silly to say "$500 is already cheap" like you wipe your ass with it every morning.

I could understand "I think $500 is a great value for the machine", but 'cheap' is entirely wrong. $500 is too much for a game machine. $400 is a step in the right direction. $300 means they can't keep them in stores.

[The Mana Knight]

I would venture to say that a LOT of the people on CAG make way, way WAY more money than you do, and its really silly to say "$500 is already cheap" like you wipe your ass with it every morning.

$500 is too much for a game machine. $400 is a step in the right direction. $300 means they can't keep them in stores.PS3 is not just a games machine. Also, I spend $500 on my PS2 console with memory cards (Yes, I had to buy a lot in the end), network adapter, and multi-tap. I didn't have to buy any of that with my PS3, and that's why I say its cheap. And, I got a pretty good bonus of stuff (like blu-ray, web browser, best quality music player I own, etc.). The only difference is, more money up front (although I spent $500 for my PS2, Xbox, and 360 bundle. Difference is that I did not get a game for two weeks. Not an issue IMO, since I can download stuff from PSN while waiting and eventually, having just a few games at launch will mean nothing when my collection reactes 40+ in the future).
That's because you don't have any expenses because you live in your parents' basement.
I live by myself in an apartment, and I do have expenses.
I would venture to say that a LOT of the people on CAG make way, way WAY more money than you do, and its really silly to say "$500 is already cheap" like you wipe your ass with it every morning.

$500 is too much for a game machine. $400 is a step in the right direction. $300 means they can't keep them in stores.People would easily have the money if they didn't buy so many cheap, crappy $5-$10 games (Almost all the cheap games during Circuit City, Toy's R Us, Best Buy, etc. sales are crap) along with having a massive backlog of around 100-1000 games. Heck, I use to spend most of my money on cheap crappy games myself and know it eats up a lot of money. I completely stopped doing it (I'm not at all against getting good deals on video games, because I do it all the time, since I wait to get almost every game on sale, which is why I come here). Last Christmas, I had around $500 sitting around. I could have either bought more cheap video games I was never going to play, or I could get a PS3. I bought all the games I really wanted (except one), so I got a PS3. In reality, out of all the games I bought before my PS3, I only played like 50% of them while the rest were either sold or still collect dust. I ended up playing the PS3 daily. I rather have an awesome device around then several cheap games that only get $1-$2 trade-in credit at EB sitting around (which I either haven't opened and/or suck).

I'm not just talking about PS3 here, but all next gen consoles would be a better purchase than several cheap games to add to a backlog (unless they are a game you really want and will play). Sorry, I get a little crazy over this, because I use to be this way.

[BattleChicken]

PS3 is not just a games machine. Also, I spend $500 on my PS3 console with memory cards (Yes, I had to buy a lot in the end), network adapter, and multi-tap. I didn't have to buy any of that with my PS3, and that's why I say its cheap. And, I got a pretty good bonus of stuff (like blu-ray, web browser, best quality music player I own, etc.). The only difference is, more money up front (although I spent $500 for my PS2, Xbox, and 360 bundle. Difference is that I did not get a game for two weeks. Not an issue IMO, since I can download stuff from PSN while waiting and eventually, having just a few games at launch will mean nothing when my collection reactes 40+ in the future).

I live by myself in an apartment, and I do have expenses.

Ohhh....

What you MEAN to say is "The PS3 is a Great value at $500" -- that is very different than "The PS3 is cheap at $500".

I can understand "The PS3 is a great value", while I may not agree with the logic behind it, I can certainly understand what you mean and respect your perspective.

Great value and Cheap are not the same thing.

[GizmoGC]

I don't see this happening for the point thespamispower mentioned.
Why would Sony sell a 40GB system for $400 and an 80GB for $500? The price difference between the HDD would be dollars. Seems like a giant loss on that 40GB system...unless its produced in the same ratio as the 20GB/60GB PS3s which was what, 1 out of 7?

[The Mana Knight]

Ohhh....

What you MEAN to say is "The PS3 is a Great value at $500" -- that is very different than "The PS3 is cheap at $500".

I can understand "The PS3 is a great value", while I may not agree with the logic behind it, I can certainly understand what you mean and respect your perspective.

Great value and Cheap are not the same thing.My mistake, I meant PS2, where I spent $300 on the console, $40 on network adapter, ~$20 for 8 memory cards, and $35 for a multi-tap. Basically, some may feel the PS2 is cheap, but in reality, it wasn't cheap in the end, and I still don't have anywhere near the storage space as PS3, features, and other stuff. That's why I don't complain anymore. I use to before I bought my PS3, until I took a long look at what I was getting compared to the PS2 (I bought a 20GB PS3 though).

[mykevermin]

A $400 PS3 will attract a lot of attention.

A $400 PS3 with some hot-ass games (Heavenly Sword, Eye of the Beholder, Ratchet and Clank) is dangerous to other consoles.

I'm glad the rumor suggests they're thinking of packing a BR title in every box - what better way to show your consumers what the system can do (surveys show only 40% of PS3 owners are aware it plays BR movies, and only half of those use it for that) than packing a movie in the box. Easy as pie, and with better dividends.

[BattleChicken]

People would easily have the money if they didn't buy so many cheap, crappy $5-$10 games (Almost all the cheap games during Circuit City, Toy's R Us, Best Buy, etc. sales are crap) along with having a massive backlog of around 100-1000 games. Heck, I use to spend most of my money on cheap crappy games myself and know it eats up a lot of money. I completely stopped doing it (I'm not at all against getting good deals on video games, because I do it all the time, since I wait to get almost every game on sale, which is why I come here). Last Christmas, I had around $500 sitting around. I could have either bought more cheap video games I was never going to play, or I could get a PS3. I bought all the games I really wanted (except one), so I got a PS3. In reality, out of all the games I bought before my PS3, I only played like 50% of them while the rest were either sold or still collect dust. I ended up playing the PS3 daily. I rather have an awesome device around then several cheap games that only get $1-$2 trade-in credit at EB sitting around (which I either haven't opened and/or suck).

So.. now cheap = crappy? I thought the PS3 was cheap?

Wordplay aside, Cost does not equate to goodness or badness. There $60 PS3 coaster games (Gundam anyone?) on that snazzy PS3 of yours.

I'm sorry, but just because its inexpensive at Circuit on clearance doesn't make it bad. I love my $12 copy of Godhand.. I'd love to get my hands on the $11 (now) copy of MGS:PO for the PSP. I haven't spent full price on any game since I joined CAG.

I don't think its a logical argument you're using to defend your position.

[b3b0p]

A $400 PS3 will attract a lot of attention.

A $400 PS3 with some hot-ass games (Heavenly Sword, Eye of the Beholder, Ratchet and Clank) is dangerous to other consoles.

I'm glad the rumor suggests they're thinking of packing a BR title in every box - what better way to show your consumers what the system can do (surveys show only 40% of PS3 owners are aware it plays BR movies, and only half of those use it for that) than packing a movie in the box. Easy as pie, and with better dividends.

I can envision them only including a composite cable too. That would classic.

[Ivanhoe]

I would guess that sony is making the 80 gig and if true the 40gig with less parts (no emotion chip) and is costing less then it did to create the 20 and 60gigs last year.

And blu ray technology is falling fast too.


A 399 40gig ps3 makes perfect sense.
A 499 80gig ps3 is geared toward the more "elite" players.
I would expect to see 399 ps3s sold out everywhere and stores unable to sell the 499.


Their is a long history of magic price points for game consoles and sonys biggest mistake was starting at 499 and 599.
And being released onto the market just a few days before the MUCH cheaper wii didnt help any.

[The Mana Knight]

Well, enough with the arguing, but I really do want to see Sony do this, because a $400 PS3 would be good for the market. I want PS3 to perform much better, and a $400 price tag might do it. But what worries me is, people will assume its a tard back (because of the 360 situation) and avoid it.
I would guess that sony is making the 80 gig and if true the 40gig with less parts (no emotion chip) and is costing less then it did to create the 20 and 60gigs last year.

And blu ray technology is falling fast too.


A 399 40gig ps3 makes perfect sense.
A 499 80gig ps3 is geared toward the more "elite" players.
I would expect to see 399 ps3s sold out everywhere and stores unable to sell the 499.


Their is a long history of magic price points for game consoles and sonys biggest mistake was starting at 499 and 599.
And being released onto the market just a few days before the MUCH cheaper wii didnt help any.I know some who said, they'd buy a PS3 for every family member so they can at least watch blu-rays, at that price.

[Halo05]

What the fuck is a "tard back"?

[BattleChicken]

What the fuck is a "tard back"?

it is a reference to the Xbox 360 core system, which lacks the hard drive..

Perhaps the 20 gig PS3..? Even though it wasn't gimped at all.


I tend to agree about the HDless 360, mind you.. I thought it was curious that they did that when the original Xboxes ALL had HDs...

[Gang]

Well even if the 40gb does not have Bc. cant u just download it off PSN?

If u can do this then PS3 will sale like crack in a dope house. And if u need a bigger hard drive u can easily swap it out. I dont know but i dont think 4 games could take up 40gb of space. And i dont know anybody who plays more then 4 games at a time. But dont bash me bc i am just assuming.

I will most def. got get one now.

[trq]

A very good move, if true, and right on the border of getting me to pull the trigger. So ... very ... close ...

But I'd be wary of it, until I knew what was getting dropped. As others have said, 40gig v 60 gig isn't a hundred bucks. Something else is falling through the cracks, and if it's something important, it could be another "foot, meet bullet" kind of move.

[Gang]

oh yea if something big was droped out the i would hold out a little longer. Just get rid of the card slot reader.

[Gang]

oh yea if something big was droped out the i would hold out a little longer. Just get rid of the card slot reader.

[FatBoyInside]

Maybe the new 40gb sku will use the "cheaper to mass produced" 65nm chipset , like what MS is doing for the holiday XB360s. Also, I favor removing the card reader and ... throw out the useless composite cables. Consumers should realize the PS3 is made for HDTVs, period.

[Apossum]

The card reader is pretty useless. might as well just buy a whole usb HDD and use it for backing up the entire system. I guess an MS pro duo slot is the only one that could be useful at this point.

[jngx80]

Forget the 60gb version w/the emulation engine then, I'll wait to see if the 40gb comes out for $400 this holiday. My PS2 still works, I'll just play any game that's not supported by the emulator on it.

[Raymond]

fuck sony, i just paid $500 for the 60GB few days ago.

[Thomas96]

$500 is already cheap to me. ;)

If I were Sony, I would:

80GB
Same stuff
Spiderman The Movie 3 blu-ray
HDMI cable also included

40GB
Mostly identical as 20GB, without WiFi and card readers.

Sell WiFi adapters for $60
Sell card readers for $30



I was astonished to find out that WiFi adapter on the 360 costs 99.99 [I saw this at target] there's a lot of value in the PS3.

[zewone]

I was astonished to find out that WiFi adapter on the 360 costs 99.99 [I saw this at target] there's a lot of value in the PS3.
Just because the 360 WiFi adapter is highly overpriced, doesn't mean that WiFI inside the PS3 is more valuable.

Especially since there are much cheaper 3rd party adapters. I used my $15 Lynksys WiFi adapter for both my 360 and 20GB PS3.

[The Mana Knight]

fuck sony, i just paid $500 for the 60GB few days ago.You paid for full BC, which these newer SKUs will lack, so be happy about that.
I was astonished to find out that WiFi adapter on the 360 costs 99.99 [I saw this at target] there's a lot of value in the PS3.Yeah, that's why I use that argument over and over again.

[InuFaye]

You paid for full BC, which these newer SKUs will lack, so be happy about that.
Yeah, that's why I use that argument over and over again.

Which is why that argument is weak you dont have to buy the 100 dollar wifi adapter. Like zewone just said a 15 dollar lynksys adapter and it works just fine.

[The Mana Knight]

Which is why that argument is weak you dont have to buy the 100 dollar wifi adapter. Like zewone just said a 15 dollar lynksys adapter and it works just fine.Gaming adapters, or some kind of wireless bridge is not cheap at all. I've been looking at them for my PS3, and they cost around $50-$100, unless you buy used.

zewone is on my ignore, so I never know what he is saying.

[InuFaye]

If you just look for deals on them they arent that expensive at all. Maybe at retail stores but not online. They can easily be had for 20 dollars.

[docvinh]

Gaming adapters, or some kind of wireless bridge is not cheap at all. I've been looking at them for my PS3, and they cost around $50-$100, unless you buy used.

zewone is on my ignore, so I never know what he is saying.
You just need to look around a little more, they have them for cheaper then that.

[H-Town Info]

it will be interesting Xmas in the Console wars if the 40gb is true

[Thomas96]

Just because the 360 WiFi adapter is highly overpriced, doesn't mean that WiFI inside the PS3 is more valuable.

Especially since there are much cheaper 3rd party adapters. I used my $15 Lynksys WiFi adapter for both my 360 and 20GB PS3.


All consumers aren't as savvy as you are zewone, they may pay for the xbox wifi adapter thinking that it is the one that is supposed to be used for the system. MS didn't put that on shelves just to have an option, it was with the understanding that the 99.99 wifi adapter is what they want to offer to their customers who want that type of service. No one can say that Sony overcharged their customes for anything.

[Thomas96]

Price drops are good.. but is this enough to defeat the Wii this holiday season... The Wii is selling based on its popularity.... Sony needs to treat the PS3 like a hollywood start, put it in movies, music videos, commercials, flyers, talk shows... lol I hope they can do it.

[InuFaye]

Just because people are stupid and cant figure out their are cheaper alternatives, that means that the ps3 wifi is worth 100 dollars. I dont think so.

[Thomas96]

Just because people are stupid and cant figure out their are cheaper alternatives, that means that the ps3 wifi is worth 100 dollars. I dont think so.


well in the world of xbox ... the PS3 wifi is worth 99.99

or is it.. 15 for the adapter, and 75 for the xbox brand, and 10 for the packaging..

[InuFaye]

well in the world of xbox ... the PS3 wifi is worth 99.99

or is it.. 15 for the adapter, and 75 for the xbox brand, and 10 for the packaging..

What are you talking about that makes no sence at all. I was saying that the ps3 wifi is not worth 100 dollars just because the offical microsoft wifi adapter is 100 dollars.

[looploop]

Can you find me one of these 15 dollar adaptors?:roll:
I looked for a while on google, ebay and amazon to no avail.

[Thomas96]

What are you talking about that makes no sence at all. I was saying that the ps3 wifi is not worth 100 dollars just because the offical microsoft wifi adapter is 100 dollars.



maybe not in actuality, no the ps3 adapter isn't worth the 360 adapter, but the fact that to acheive that funcationality with xbox it could cost you 99.99; means that is a 99.99 that you don't have to spend on the ps3.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I see Sony dropping WiFi and card readers, maybe something else too.

You mean like they SHOULD have done instead of dropping the BC components which could've been whored out to consumers in ads. I can see it now, they could've said something like.....


Playstation 3........The Future Is Now!!! <announcer voice comes on> Are you stuck playing your Playstation and Playstation 2 games in the past? Well, NOW you can play them on your Playstation 3....GET ONE NOWWWWWW!!!!<flash the PS3 on the screen>

I mean, for cripes sake, remove stuff that many won't use, not the stuff many people MAY be using.

[InuFaye]

maybe not in actuality, no the ps3 adapter isn't worth the 360 adapter, but the fact that to acheive that funcationality with xbox it could cost you 99.99; means that is a 99.99 that you don't have to spend on the ps3.

How dense are you we have said numerous times it does NOT NOT NOT cost 100 dollars to get that with the 360. It can be had for much much less.

[BattleChicken]

How dense are you we have said numerous times it does NOT NOT NOT cost 100 dollars to get that with the 360. It can be had for much much less.

His argument is completly illogical.. you aught to just ignore it.

Its absurdly weak and responding to it gives it more relevence than it deserves.

[Thomas96]

How dense are you we have said numerous times it does NOT NOT NOT cost 100 dollars to get that with the 360. It can be had for much much less.

well looking at pricegrabber... and you can too if you just click here -

http://video-games.pricegrabber.com/xbox-360-consoles-accessories/m/12999173/search=xbox%20360%20adapter]


82.99/88.99 was the cheapest... but normally it does cost 100.00. .................................................. just as I saw in target with my own eyes. Why are you so upset, I'm not charging 100 dollars.. MS... Thomas is not Dense because he saw the 360 wifi adapter for 99.99, or 82.99[not including shipping] and intelligent notes that ps3 owners who want to have their 360 wireless using this adapter pay almost 100 dollars for it.
[edit in] damn dork, get over it... point is, its an expensive add on you don't have to worry about w/ the PS3.

[munch]

well looking at pricegrabber... and you can too if you just click here -

http://video-games.pricegrabber.com/xbox-360-consoles-accessories/m/12999173/search=xbox%20360%20adapter]


82.99/88.99 was the cheapest... but normally it does cost 100.00. .................................................. just as I saw in target with my own eyes. Why are you so upset, I'm not charging 100 dollars.. MS... Thomas is not Dense because he saw the 360 wifi adapter for 99.99, or 82.99[not including shipping] and intelligent notes that ps3 owners who want to have their 360 wireless using this adapter pay almost 100 dollars for it.
[edit in] damn dork, get over it... point is, its an expensive add on you don't have to worry about w/ the PS3.

But his point is that you don't have to pay $100 to get that functionality. You're trapped in your own circular logic. Have fun in there!

[The Mana Knight]

What are you talking about that makes no sence at all. I was saying that the ps3 wifi is not worth 100 dollars just because the offical microsoft wifi adapter is 100 dollars.Oh sure it is and more. MS rapes your wallet by making you pay $50 a year for XBL for online play. You gotta buy batteries to use your controller, because the 360 eats batteries quickly. But if you don't want to keep replacing batteries, you gotta pay $20 for a plug and charge kit. And there are so many hidden costs with the 360 its ridiculous.

Thomas96 is right, most people aren't that savvy and would assume the 360 WiFi adapter is only $100. Also, many people don't go to CAG or many deals websites searching hard for some cheap wireless bridge, gaming adapter, etc. Seriously, I know many who paid $100 for a PS3 HDMI cable by a few third parties because that's ALL they saw and assumed it would work.

zewone is just a stuck up 360 fanboy anyway.

[FoxHoundADAM]

OK this thread is becoming the "Wifi 360 adapotor is/isn't too expensive" lets get back on topic.

I'm hoping that maybe Sony announces these price changes at TGS today. If so, my $350 in credit will be spent by sundown tomorrow.

[RedvsBlue]

Oh sure it is and more. MS rapes your wallet by making you pay $50 a year for XBL for online play. You gotta buy batteries to use your controller, because the 360 eats batteries quickly. But if you don't want to keep replacing batteries, you gotta pay $20 for a plug and charge kit. And there are so many hidden costs with the 360 its ridiculous.

Thomas96 is right, most people aren't that savvy and would assume the 360 WiFi adapter is only $100. Also, many people don't go to CAG or many deals websites searching hard for some cheap wireless bridge, gaming adapter, etc. Seriously, I know many who paid $100 for a PS3 HDMI cable by a few third parties because that's ALL they saw and assumed it would work.

zewone is just a stuck up 360 fanboy anyway.

:rofl: Mana Knight calling someone a fanboy, fucking priceless

[benjamouth]

Does anyone really think they might pull Wi-Fi out of the 40 gb PS3?

That would probably put me off getting it, isn't the Wi-Fi that comes with the PS3 required to transfer stuff to the PSP due to some security thing it uses. So third-party Wi-Fi adapters can't do it.

I could be way off on that.

[FoxHoundADAM]

I don't see Sony pulling the wi-fi but I do see them pulling the memory card reader. It isn't expensive but it isn't neaded and every little bit helps considering they make millions of these a year.

[Thomas96]

But his point is that you don't have to pay $100 to get that functionality. You're trapped in your own circular logic. Have fun in there!


that's true for all products... if someone WANTS that functionaility, then they pay at most 100.00

[BattleChicken]

Oh sure it is and more. MS rapes your wallet by making you pay $50 a year for XBL for online play. You gotta buy batteries to use your controller, because the 360 eats batteries quickly. But if you don't want to keep replacing batteries, you gotta pay $20 for a plug and charge kit. And there are so many hidden costs with the 360 its ridiculous.

Thomas96 is right, most people aren't that savvy and would assume the 360 WiFi adapter is only $100. Also, many people don't go to CAG or many deals websites searching hard for some cheap wireless bridge, gaming adapter, etc. Seriously, I know many who paid $100 for a PS3 HDMI cable by a few third parties because that's ALL they saw and assumed it would work.

zewone is just a stuck up 360 fanboy anyway.
Ok..

First, XBL is optional, and with the CHOICE for a XBL gold membership, you get stable servers and a consistent experience. If, say, *you* had a 360 and didn't think XBL gold it was worth it, you could decide to NOT buy it -- I fail to see how the consumer is raped out of anything there. It is not required to play games, just to play online.

Secondly, you can use standard rechargable batteries in the 360 controller as well. I tend to agree that the play and charge kit is a waste.. but, again, it is OPTIONAL. I personally spent $10 for 16 AA rechargable batteries, and $5 for the charger. the batteries run ALL my household AA devices.

Now, the pitfall in your battery argument is that all rechargable batteries have a limited lifespan. So, eventually the PS3 controller, with its internal battery, will have to be replaced because the battery eihter dies, or has drastically reduced charge life. There's a cost associated with that as well, and replacing my $15 in rechargable batteries (rated for 10,000 recharges before a tangible drop in lifespan) cost less than a new PS3 controller.

Third.. the arguments for and against the XBOX 360 wireless adaptor are illogical and poorly supported. using similar logic.. I could assert that because *I* don't care about wireless, that Sony is charging me for a feature I don't want, and because the XBOX 360 wireless adaptor is $100 (MSRP), that The PS3 is $100 more expensive because of its wireless. It is flawed logic, and the argument doesn't deserve attention.

The HDMI cable is a perfect example, but it really supports the OTHER side of your argument, my little friend. Again this gets back to choice -- the XBOX 360 branded wifi is $100, but there are much less expensive alternatives. Monster branded 'super' HDMI cables run $170, while there are identially functioning cables available for $6 off monoprice. Just because something is GROSSLY overpriced, does not render the less expensive alternatives moot.

There are also LOTS of people like me, who think wireless sucks for gaming, and would rather run some network cable for the better overall speed (standard 802.11 G is 50-55 MBPS.. wire is 100 MBPS or faster max speed) so I don't CARE about the wireless at all.. meaning the 'extras' for the XBOX 360 are just that - extra. I don't need them, because I can play without it. The choice to get a wireless adaptor is there if I ever change my mind, but its just that -- a choice. I am not FORCED to buy a wireless adaptor, neither are you. Its cool that the PS3 has it built in, but it is NOT required.

... which gets back to the original topic. If the Wireless is removed from the 40 gig model, which I would imagine costs more than the hardware backwords compatability, and the card readers were pulled, then the overall cost could drop enough that the margin gap between the 40 gig and 80 gig models would be similar, so it wouldn't suprise me if there WAS a $400 PS3 soon.. at which time i'll bite and buy one.

Edit: One thing I DO think is a complete rip off, and a crime against all that is good and pure is the proprietary hard drive in the 360 that costs 5 or 6 times what a similarly sized standard internal HD costs. Sony got it right, with the easy-to-replace HD.

[kmartbum001]

Spiderman 3 was a really shitty movie. Luckily, I didn't pay to see it nor I watch the whole thing. Why don't they ever bundle good movies or allow you to pick better movies from that mail-in rebate?

[zewone]

zewone is just a stuck up 360 fanboy anyway.
I haven't posted anything recently in this thread. :lol:

Tool.

[Dead of Knight]

zewone is just a stuck up 360 fanboy anyway.
#-o

[InuFaye]

How come logic defies all fanboys. Its like the brain doesnt work most of the time. I would rather pay my 50 dollars a year to have a good online service with xbox, then the shit that is PSN. 50 dollars a year is not alot in the grand scheme of things.

[Thomas96]

I never could make a blind man see the light, and especially not 360 fanboys Just like how we were comparing the price of the PS3 vs the price of a xbox 360 w/ HD DVD, with, wifi adapter, just set up similar experiences. We're comparing the price of a service/product. 360 100.00 ps3, much less than 100 for wifi, which is included. And I'd like to find a wifi adapter for 15.00 dollars.. cause at price you're not getting a new 802.11b adapter... probably 802.10.. lol

The 360 is a decent system, lots of support, lots of games. But out of the box the ps3 is more valuable, and with this upcoming price drop it'll be even more valuable.

Saying that the ps3 wifi is worth at most 100.00 dollars is justified by the 360 having their wifi adapter at 100.00, just as people say that in some ways the PS3 blu ray drive is worth 1000.00 because, blu ray players are 1000.00[at the time of the ps3 launch]. If you can't get that then you're the fanboy that people and yourselves are talking about....

[AshesofWake]

so wait, now there's a 20gb, 60gb, 80gb, and now a 40gb PS3 :rofl:

[souNReAL]

well looking at pricegrabber... and you can too if you just click here -

http://video-games.pricegrabber.com/xbox-360-consoles-accessories/m/12999173/search=xbox%20360%20adapter]


82.99/88.99 was the cheapest... but normally it does cost 100.00. .................................................. just as I saw in target with my own eyes. Why are you so upset, I'm not charging 100 dollars.. MS... Thomas is not Dense because he saw the 360 wifi adapter for 99.99, or 82.99[not including shipping] and intelligent notes that ps3 owners who want to have their 360 wireless using this adapter pay almost 100 dollars for it.
[edit in] damn dork, get over it... point is, its an expensive add on you don't have to worry about w/ the PS3.


but yet i bought my wireless access point/wireless "adapter" for my 360 for $20 at a CompUSA sale.

HOW??

By not being stupid and buying a non-M$ brand wireless access point.

[KwanzaaTimmy]

so wait, now there's a 20gb, 60gb, 80gb, and now a 40gb PS3 :rofl:

I dunno, since the drive isn't proprietary--- It really doesn't seem like a big deal, and fact of the matter is I've still got LOADS of room on my 60gb. Sony is trying to get it down to that magic price as best it can, sure they're going to a release a Pimp my Ride, "check out how much I spent on this piece of electronic equipment", edition, but I think going small to get em out the door this holiday is a good call.

Lair is sub-standard, and Heavenly Sword is a rental at 5 hours long-- while the ps3 still has a good bit coming out, any little bit helps selling the hardware now that its missed two highly anticipated opportunities.

[Thomas96]

but yet i bought my wireless access point/wireless "adapter" for my 360 for $20 at a CompUSA sale.

HOW??

By not being stupid and buying a non-M$ brand wireless access point.


yeah, but like all sales, they're for a limited time, you saw a sale and 'came up' but not everyone is going to be able to get 20 dollar adapters...

[javeryh]

This discussion is irrelevant until they get a AAA game out.

[dallow]

so wait, now there's a 20gb, 60gb, 80gb, and now a 40gb PS3 :rofl:The Core man, the Core.

And javeryh? Sigh.

[docvinh]

This discussion is irrelevant until they get a AAA game out.
What he said. I have to say though, it's getting pretty close to the price point I would buy it at. This is probably the first system that I've skipped because of the pricing. No matter how much technology they put in it, 600 dollars for what is primarily a game system is a lot of money. I think I'll probably still hold out for a 300 price point though, unless some game comes out that I just gotta have right now.

[zewone]

The Core man, the Core.

And javeryh? Sigh.
Truth hurts.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

yeah, but like all sales, they're for a limited time, you saw a sale and 'came up' but not everyone is going to be able to get 20 dollar adapters...

And not everyone gives a shit to do the following on their GAME system:

1) Play movies(of any format)
2) upload stuff from their umpteen memory card formats(of which some of us have none and don't really need the damned ports for them)
3) Play online(wirelessly or wired)
4)Surf the internet(hello....PCs....this is why THEY exist nowadays for MANY people, for surfing the net)

So, all of the arguments for/against certain 'secondary' purchases for the 360 and PS3(if you bought the supposed 'gimped' 20 gb model)are futile for gamers like myself, who don't need all this garbage on their systems to enjoy them for the purpose WE plan on buying them for.

Only reason holding me back from buying a 360 is the failure rate, though the extended warranty handles most of those instances quite nicely. And on the other side of things, the price of the bloated PS3 models(too many functions I don't need on the 60/80 gb models)are the stopping block there.

So please.....keep the arguments about what is and isn't needed for 'full' functionality to yourself....since not all of us give a shit to use every stupid function some game console manufacturer seems all too eager to shove down our throats this gen. :roll:

[dallow]

Truth hurts.You know you want to gets your Iron Fist on, online.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I dont mind ceding that the PS3 has a tremendous value as far as the technology involved, but that seems largely irrelevant. People buy these things as a function of the gaming value.

Furthermore, high tech for the value has a REALLY bad track record as far as winning marketshare.

[dallow]

How come you avoid talk about Persona 3 on PS3 DMK?

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I dont mind ceding that the PS3 has a tremendous value as far as the technology involved, but that seems largely irrelevant. People buy these things as a function of the gaming value.

Furthermore, high tech for the value has a REALLY bad track record as far as winning marketshare.

Precisely what I just said, but concise and to the point. I know the PS3 has alot of tech in it, but how much of it am I(as a gamer who has never used his systems to do anything but play games, cept when testing them prior to trading in) going to actually use.

The most 'secondary' use I ever used out of any console was to test the CD playback on a PS1 and rip a cd or two to my HDD on my Xbox for use in San Andreas or Vice City.

[Dr Mario Kart]

How come you avoid talk about Persona 3 on PS3 DMK?

I'm going to go with, because I dont' know what you're talking about :)

[dallow]

I'm going to go with, because I dont' know what you're talking about :)Hehe. Gotta be moneyhats right? ;)

[Dr Mario Kart]

OK, I caught up on the news. It just means I'll miss out on that one game in the event that the PS3 isnt reasonably priced by the time I clear my backlog in 2010.

Hell, I didnt get the play SMT 9 on the xbox, and I havent cried too much over it. Technically I cant play it, but thats besides the point.

I've already pulled all my NIS support since their PS3 dev solidified. I didnt buy Grim Grimoire and I'm not buying Soul Nomad. I dont want my funds going toward that.

[dallow]

Now that's the DMK I know and love!

Judging from the screenshots, they probably don't need that much money to develop their PS3 games.

[mykevermin]

Does anyone really think they might pull Wi-Fi out of the 40 gb PS3?

That would probably put me off getting it, isn't the Wi-Fi that comes with the PS3 required to transfer stuff to the PSP due to some security thing it uses. So third-party Wi-Fi adapters can't do it.

I could be way off on that.

PS3/PSP communication is done via USB cable (the same one you use to charge your controller). For transferring PSX games and saves, right?

Unless you're using remote play, of course. ;)

[Thomas96]

And not everyone gives a shit to do the following on their GAME system:

1) Play movies(of any format)
2) upload stuff from their umpteen memory card formats(of which some of us have none and don't really need the damned ports for them)
3) Play online(wirelessly or wired)
4)Surf the internet(hello....PCs....this is why THEY exist nowadays for MANY people, for surfing the net)

So, all of the arguments for/against certain 'secondary' purchases for the 360 and PS3(if you bought the supposed 'gimped' 20 gb model)are futile for gamers like myself, who don't need all this garbage on their systems to enjoy them for the purpose WE plan on buying them for.

Only reason holding me back from buying a 360 is the failure rate, though the extended warranty handles most of those instances quite nicely. And on the other side of things, the price of the bloated PS3 models(too many functions I don't need on the 60/80 gb models)are the stopping block there.

So please.....keep the arguments about what is and isn't needed for 'full' functionality to yourself....since not all of us give a shit to use every stupid function some game console manufacturer seems all too eager to shove down our throats this gen. :roll:


I must have made a good point, because this where people run to... so once again.. yes games come first before all, but who can say in retrospect that they were willing to purchase a ps3 that doesn't use blu ray, or doesn't have a hard drive, card slots, dvd upscaling. Who can say that the 360 wouldn't have been a better system if it had card slots, a non proprietary hdd, and hd dvd included. Toshiba sure would have been happy, and perhaps, HD-DVD would be winning its battle. About 5 monts ago [when ps3 didn't have the ability] it was probably you who are praising the 360 for upscaling DVDs, now you in here saying you don't give a shit about it and other functions. Just like Nintendo went their own way in their system design, so did Sony. SCE - Sony Computer Entertainment, it's not a JUST games company. The PS3 was meant to be a entertainment hub, muisc, movies and games, instead of bitching, how about just appreciating the fact that there's an option [on the market] to have a everything included hub that you can even choose. A product you don't have to go out and buy peripherals for. [other than HDMI cord and controllers] Soon you can get it all for 399 or 499; Once you own a PS3, come back and tell uswhat you think.. till then... shut up

[elmyra]

OK, I caught up on the news. It just means I'll miss out on that one game in the event that the PS3 isnt reasonably priced by the time I clear my backlog in 2010.

Where might I find this news? I have no idea what you guys are talking about, and I can't seem to find it.

[-Never4ever-]

Where might I find this news? I have no idea what you guys are talking about, and I can't seem to find it.

I'm unsure myself, I think they mean Disgaea 3, unless there was an announcement at TGS that I missed or something.

$400 PS3? Sony seems to be on the up swing lately (disregarding the whole Lair debacle), and this can only help.

[zewone]

Disgaea 3 makes the most sense.

I don't think they would re-release Persona 3 on the PS3.

[dallow]

Bad dallow, bad!

Yes, I was thinking Disgaea 3.

So what the heck is DMK talking about then?

[elmyra]

Bad dallow, bad!

Yes, I was thinking Disgaea 3.

So what the heck is DMK talking about then?

Gotcha, I had already heard about that one. It doesn't really look like a PS3 game, but I'm sure I'll still want it.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I must have made a good point, because this where people run to... so once again.. yes games come first before all, but who can say in retrospect that they were willing to purchase a ps3 that doesn't use blu ray, or doesn't have a hard drive, card slots, dvd upscaling. Who can say that the 360 wouldn't have been a better system if it had card slots, a non proprietary hdd, and hd dvd included. Toshiba sure would have been happy, and perhaps, HD-DVD would be winning its battle. About 5 monts ago [when ps3 didn't have the ability] it was probably you who are praising the 360 for upscaling DVDs, now you in here saying you don't give a shit about it and other functions. Just like Nintendo went their own way in their system design, so did Sony. SCE - Sony Computer Entertainment, it's not a JUST games company. The PS3 was meant to be a entertainment hub, muisc, movies and games, instead of bitching, how about just appreciating the fact that there's an option [on the market] to have a everything included hub that you can even choose. A product you don't have to go out and buy peripherals for. [other than HDMI cord and controllers] Soon you can get it all for 399 or 499; Once you own a PS3, come back and tell uswhat you think.. till then... shut up

I don't own a 360, nor a PS3 nor a Wii, so why are you ASSuming that I do own one of them? Is it because you're insecure in your own purchase or that someone is saying that they don't need all the shit Sony decided to throw into it and force on consumers who may want a choice for their game consoles. There are some of us out here who still don't want an 'all in one' machine which does all the stuff that we don't need the options for in the first place.

At least I will say one thing, the hardware quality has most definitely improved from the PS2 to the PS3 and that is a definite bonus. But, I'm still not about to pay $500 for better quality, when I have a backlog of last gen stuff for my Xbox and PS2, which I'm rarely using anymore.

But, to each their own, I'll keep my computer for web surfing, my DVD player for playing movies(I also don't care about high def) and if I need to upload files, I'll do it from my friends computer, since I didn't opt for a floppy or other storage media drive on this computer.

All in all, any points you make are null and void to a true cheap ass gamer, who could care less about all of those extra features, even though they're nice to have, they are useless to me and always will be.

[Thomas96]

I don't own a 360, nor a PS3 nor a Wii, so why are you ASSuming that I do own one of them? Is it because you're insecure in your own purchase or that someone is saying that they don't need all the shit Sony decided to throw into it and force on consumers who may want a choice for their game consoles. There are some of us out here who still don't want an 'all in one' machine which does all the stuff that we don't need the options for in the first place.

At least I will say one thing, the hardware quality has most definitely improved from the PS2 to the PS3 and that is a definite bonus. But, I'm still not about to pay $500 for better quality, when I have a backlog of last gen stuff for my Xbox and PS2, which I'm rarely using anymore.

But, to each their own, I'll keep my computer for web surfing, my DVD player for playing movies(I also don't care about high def) and if I need to upload files, I'll do it from my friends computer, since I didn't opt for a floppy or other storage media drive on this computer.

All in all, any points you make are null and void to a true cheap ass gamer, who could care less about all of those extra features, even though they're nice to have, they are useless to me and always will be.

I know you don't own anything... especially not a ps3... LOL you're right... you are the cheapest gamer... if Sony sells blu ray... you'd rather them take back the blu and you'd just buy the ray. CAGs aren't affraid to spend money, being a CAG doesn't mean, not buying anything... or saying that all the extras included in something are bells and whistles. Saying that the things that are included in the PS3 are useless or not needed, is just you being cheap and making excuses not to buy something. Get real...

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I know you don't own anything... especially not a ps3... LOL you're right... you are the cheapest gamer... if Sony sells blu ray... you'd rather them take back the blu and you'd just buy the ray. CAGs aren't affraid to spend money, being a CAG doesn't mean, not buying anything... or saying that all the extras included in something are bells and whistles. Saying that the things that are included in the PS3 are useless or not needed, is just you being cheap and making excuses not to buy something. Get real...

But see, if it's stuff I won't use, then why should I be forced to buy it? That's the great thing about PCs, is that I can build my own system to MY specs and not have stuff I don't need costing me extra money.

And ya know, I thought CAGs are on here to make the best deal they can and last time I checked, $500 wasn't a 'cheap ass deal'.

[Thomas96]

But see, if it's stuff I won't use, then why should I be forced to buy it? That's the great thing about PCs, is that I can build my own system to MY specs and not have stuff I don't need costing me extra money.

And ya know, I thought CAGs are on here to make the best deal they can and last time I checked, $500 wasn't a 'cheap ass deal'.


500 for ps3 isn't a deal,
479 for 360 isn't a deal,
249 for Wii isn't a deal,
---------------------------------
= a load of crap...


let us know when its okay for a true CAG to buy.

[Apossum]

500 for ps3 isn't a deal,
479 for 360 isn't a deal,
249 for Wii isn't a deal,
---------------------------------
= a load of crap...


let us know when its okay for a true CAG to buy.


probably sometime in the year 2010

[zewone]

500 for ps3 isn't a deal,
479 for 360 isn't a deal,
249 for Wii isn't a deal,
---------------------------------
= a load of crap...


let us know when its okay for a true CAG to buy.
$479 for a 360?

Core - $280
Pro - $350
Elite - $450

I like how you make it seem like $479 is what most people are paying for a 360 :lol:

[Thomas96]

$479 for a 360?

Core - $280
Pro - $350
Elite - $450

I like how you make it seem like $479 is what most people are paying for a 360 :lol:


thank you for the update zewone. I wasn't posting the price of the 360 to make a point about what people were paying for it. I got my 360 core for 250, seeing that the price dropped core is 280 makes me feel pretty good.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

500 for ps3 isn't a deal,
479 for 360 isn't a deal,
249 for Wii isn't a deal,
---------------------------------
= a load of crap...


let us know when its okay for a true CAG to buy.

The prices for a PS3, 360 and Wii aren't a deal to me, since(and I hate to use this but....) the 360 breaks down too much, the Wii is just an 'overglorified Gamecube +'(trying to get rid of the NIB GC I have now which I never used) and the PS3 just has too much crap I won't use on it to be worth it for me.

Some may use the movie playback function, I won't, some may use the card reader, I won't, some may use the WiFi, I won't.

What I want/need is a game machine, not a multimedia hub.

But, I guess my opinion is wrong, since 'the PS3 offers so much'(to everyone but me).

[propeller_head]

thank you for the update zewone. I wasn't posting the price of the 360 to make a point about what people were paying for it. I got my 360 core for 250, seeing that the price dropped core is 280 makes me feel pretty good. if you got the core for 250 why did you say the 360 was 479?
does not compute:lol:

& youre not alone waiting for the price to drop. if i didnt get my PS3 for $350 i wouldnt have gotten it until it dropped in price to at least $400.


http://www.next-gen.biz/images/stories/drops2ps2-prices.jpg
http://www.next-gen.biz/images/stories/drops3xbox-prices.jpg
http://www.next-gen.biz/images/stories/drops4gc-prices.jpg
http://www.next-gen.biz/images/stories/drops5avg-prices.jpg

from http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5883&Itemid=2

[FoxHoundADAM]

More fuel for the fire, Patcher thinks Sony will be announcing the 40 GIG $400 PS3 at TGS (like I thought).

http://kotaku.com/gaming/pachter-watch/pachter-sony-to-pricedrop+cockblock-halo-3-299952.php

[anarchyburger]

so the 40gb sku wont have the EE chip in it rite??

[gunm]

For the Japan-only market, mebbe? They've been pricing lower in the mother country since release.

Edit: production on the EE-chip for PS3 has stopped so yeah, there's no reason for them to start up again to put in these alleged 40GB systems.

IMO $399.99 for a 40GB system is a very good thing. I know my buddy would pick one up at that price, if it were true. It is simple and painless to upgrade the HDD whenever you need to anyway.

[Thomas96]

if you got the core for 250 why did you say the 360 was 479?
does not compute:lol:

& youre not alone waiting for the price to drop. if i didnt get my PS3 for $350 i wouldnt have gotten it until it dropped in price to at least $400.

from http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5883&Itemid=2


I was referring to the Elite bundle, and plus 248.88 is not an avg price, so I wouldn't ever use it as a standard price... heck I just got lucky.

[propeller_head]

I was referring to the Elite bundle, and plus 248.88 is not an avg price, so I wouldn't ever use it as a standard price... heck I just got lucky. when the core dropped to 279 the elite dropped to 449. still dont get it.
unless you somehow managed to get the core for 250 before the price drop happened, and never heard about the price drop.
but anyway, who buys the elite. especially on CAG? ;)

[whitedeath]

What's funny is that one thing that is kinda putting me off from getting a PS3 is the fact that I'm totally addicted to acheievement points and if I got a PS3 I would only be buy the exclusive games as I would probably purchase the 360 version of anything else.

While the PS3 will have a pretty good exclusive lineup by next year I'm just not sure if it's enough to drop $500 on.

i was the same way with achievements *gamescore was close to 70k* but now i have a ps3 and i like it alot i could care less about achievements i am spend less on crappy games. on the 360 in order to maintain a gamerscore like i did i had to either buy or gamefly a game. so i n the long run i am not buying as much and the blu ray. i had the hd player for 360 it was alright but in the long run i feel blu ray will win.

just my 2 cents

[Thomas96]

when the core dropped to 279 the elite dropped to 449. still dont get it.
unless you somehow managed to get the core for 250 before the price drop happened, and never heard about the price drop.
but anyway, who buys the elite. especially on CAG? ;)


that's exactly what happened, I got the core at 248.88 from brandsmart long before the official price drop. Even posted it in the region section of CAG, got the 20gb hard drive for under 68.88

[v1et r1ce]

I really really really hope they announce that 40gb PS3..

I'd rather want a PS3 with no HDD for $250-$300 but I doubt they'd do that.

[crewj]

just bought at 60g from buy.com - 10.00. humm... i guess i should have waited.

[GizmoGC]

I remember people bitching that $400 was too much for even the Xbox 360...but its fine and dandy for the PS3 :lol:

[dallow]

I really really really hope they announce that 40gb PS3..

I'd rather want a PS3 with no HDD for $250-$300 but I doubt they'd do that.HDD is required for games.

[FoxHoundADAM]

just bought at 60g from buy.com - 10.00. humm... i guess i should have waited.Well this isn't offical yet. Chances are if it doesn't happen next week then the next price drop won't be until somtime in 2008.

[dallow]

40GB PS3 confirmed at TGS guys.
No price stated yet, but likely $399.

[mykevermin]

Did EA reveal that by accident, too, the way they did the dualshock sixaxis?

[shrike4242]

40GB PS3 confirmed at TGS guys.
No price stated yet, but likely $399.And said 40GB PS3 will be EE-neutered like the 80GB, of course.

[dallow]

EE-less, and probably minus wifi and card readers ala the 20GB.

[shrike4242]

EE-less, and probably minus wifi and card readers ala the 20GB.They can ditch the card readers, as I'm probably only going to use them when I swap out my 60GB drive and need to back up the info before swapping the drive.

Dumping the WiFi, that's a touchier subject for some people. Mine runs via Ethernet to an access point where it's currently at, though if I wanted to move it to another TV temporarily, the WiFi on-board would be a help.

WiFi chipsets are so damned cheap, I'm surprised they'd cut it out to get the 40GB at the $399 price. Same goes for the card readers.

[mykevermin]

Yuck. I'd prefer it if they stopped fucking around with the systems and only varied the HDD. I can live with the lack of EE (since, from what I've *read*, PS2 BC is mostly a-ok on the EE-less dudes), but stop fucking changing it around.

$400 40GB w/ all the trimmings of the 80GB model FTW.

EDIT: Am I the only one who uses card readers? downloading game saves for PS2/PS3 games is *awesome*, IMO (haven't tried PSX yet). And my wife likes using the compact flash slot for viewing her photos in HD (pleasepleaseplease don't let that ever lead to having people over for slideshows!).

And the SD slot gets used b/c I bought 2 2GB for $2 from buy.com, so I had an extra one sittin' around.

[shrike4242]

Yuck. I'd prefer it if they stopped fucking around with the systems and only varied the HDD. I can live with the lack of EE (since, from what I've *read*, PS2 BC is mostly a-ok on the EE-less dudes), but stop fucking changing it around.

$400 40GB w/ all the trimmings of the 80GB model FTW.

EDIT: Am I the only one who uses card readers? downloading game saves for PS2/PS3 games is *awesome*, IMO (haven't tried PSX yet). And my wife likes using the compact flash slot for viewing her photos in HD (pleasepleaseplease don't let that ever lead to having people over for slideshows!).

And the SD slot gets used b/c I bought 2 2GB for $2 from buy.com, so I had an extra one sittin' around.The EE being gone was a given at this point.

Dumping the card readers and the WiFi would shave more off the price, though it only really saves them about $20 or so, in the quantities they'd be buying them in. I guess they have to shave those pennies as closely as possible.

I wonder if it'll have the chrome accents of the 60GB (and the 80GB), or have the all-black look of the 20GB.

My current digicam takes SD cards, so having that slot on there is nice to show pics on the PS3's screen. CF slot, I'd probably buy something for it when I decide to swap out the drive in the PS3 for something bigger and backup to that. Either that or a MSP Duo.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

HDD is required for games.

Says who? I kinda liked the 20gb model because it had all the stuff I would want(well, cept Blu-Ray, which is just Sony shoving a high def format down our throats for THEIR benefit)and almost nothing I didn't.

I don't see myself as downloading alot of stuff, so 20gb's would be more than enough for my purposes. But, if more games go the way of Warhawk with online only multiplayer and nothing else, I may skip this gen altogether.

Plus, $49.99 per controller for any extras? Pffffffft!! I guess if my buddies wanna play on the PS3, if I ever get one, they're gonna shell out the money for a controller cause I even scoffed at $29.99 last gen for Sony and MS's replacement controllers.

Also, no ports for PS1/PS2 controllers or memory cards, but a $15 extra peripheral which most will use ONE time for memory cards only? <shakes head> I guess Sony went the way of MS this gen and denied any of their past systems owners from having full BC in more than one way.

[Apossum]

I hope this $99 PS2 comes true and soon.

[dallow]

Says who? I kinda liked the 20gb model because it had all the stuff I would want(well, cept Blu-Ray, which is just Sony shoving a high def format down our throats for THEIR benefit)and almost nothing I didn't.

I don't see myself as downloading alot of stuff, so 20gb's would be more than enough for my purposes. But, if more games go the way of Warhawk with online only multiplayer and nothing else, I may skip this gen altogether.

Plus, $49.99 per controller for any extras? Pffffffft!! I guess if my buddies wanna play on the PS3, if I ever get one, they're gonna shell out the money for a controller cause I even scoffed at $29.99 last gen for Sony and MS's replacement controllers.

Also, no ports for PS1/PS2 controllers or memory cards, but a $15 extra peripheral which most will use ONE time for memory cards only? <shakes head> I guess Sony went the way of MS this gen and denied any of their past systems owners from having full BC in more than one way.Says every game on PS3.
You need a Hard Drive in the machine.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

Says every game on PS3.
You need a Hard Drive in the machine.

Well, I wouldn't know that, since I haven't even looked at a single PS3 game or game case ever. I just figured it was one of those things that was optional, like on the 360 and Wii.

[dallow]

Well, I wouldn't know that, since I haven't even looked at a single PS3 game or game case ever. I just figured it was one of those things that was optional, like on the 360 and Wii.Nah, since the HDD is built into every PS3, it's a standard, and they don't need to make games for different configurations.

[v1et r1ce]

HDD is required for games.

lol yeah of course but you can find cheap hard drives to put in yourself.

40GB PS3 confirmed at TGS guys.
No price stated yet, but likely $399.

Source? Or are you just speculating?

[dallow]

lol yeah of course but you can find cheap hard drives to put in yourself.



Source? Or are you just speculating?Games Radar website. Don't have direct link anymore.

Sony will announce it tonight our time.

And yes, you can put your own drive in, but the system is made for everybody. And not everyone is so inclined as to be able to install a hard drive themselves.
HDD is the standard, there will never be a PS3 without one.

PS. I have a 120GB in mine.

[v1et r1ce]

Games Radar website. Don't have direct link anymore.

Sony will announce it tonight our time.

And yes, you can put your own drive in, but the system is made for everybody. And not everyone is so inclined as to be able to install a hard drive themselves.
HDD is the standard, there will never be a PS3 without one.

PS. I have a 120GB in mine.

Alright our time as in..? I'm in EST time.

[FoxHoundADAM]

IF this price announcement happens tonight or this weekend what do you think will be the price of the current 60 gig models?
40 gig: $400
60 gig: $450 ?
80 gig bundle: $550 ?

[dallow]

60GB should drop to 499 and lose the pack in game.
The price on the 40GB version isn't confirmed I should say, but it is coming, unless I've been duped.

The Sony presentation will be at 8:30CST.

[FoxHoundADAM]

The 60 gig is already $500. The 80 gig bundle is $600. These are US prices I'm talking about.

[KingBroly]

Don't you mean 80gb dallow?

Also, I've heard the 40gb one WILL have wifi. Just not the card readers. Which is fine by me since USB card readers cost like $5 anyway.
I don't care what Microsoft says, wifi is a HUGE deal to be packed in. It's a feature every gamer wants, especially since all other consoles have it. I have a 360, and I had to wrestle to have it connected via wired.

Where would I get a bigger HDD? I have the 60gb model in there, but I want to swap out for a bigger one down the line. Maybe, for say a 200gb one.

[dallow]

Best bet is newegg.com Broly.
And yeah, I meant the 80GB bundle one, sorry!

You'll need a 2.5" SATA drive.

[Apossum]

Is there going to be a video feed for the presentation? Another debaucherous conference time Cag chat session?

[v1et r1ce]

Don't you mean 80gb dallow?

Also, I've heard the 40gb one WILL have wifi. Just not the card readers. Which is fine by me since USB card readers cost like $5 anyway.
I don't care what Microsoft says, wifi is a HUGE deal to be packed in. It's a feature every gamer wants, especially since all other consoles have it. I have a 360, and I had to wrestle to have it connected via wired.

Where would I get a bigger HDD? I have the 60gb model in there, but I want to swap out for a bigger one down the line. Maybe, for say a 200gb one.

Yeah Wi-Fi is kinda a must for me know. My computer and router is on once side of the room and the 360 is on the other. Theres a door in between and I gotta put the wires over the door and hang my router on the wall just to get it closer.

I've heard Wi-Fi is pretty slow though?

[cochesecochese]

Come onnnn 60GB at 399

[FoxHoundADAM]

Well this rumor turns out to be just that, a rumor.

There was NO price drop for any Playstation item. All and all a pretty boring keynote.

[Thomas96]

good news is that a price drop is coming. That address was short but specific... cheaper ps3, partnerships with companies, rumble, and ps3/psp networking. I think that Sony wants to do well this holiday season, go into 08 on a high note. Sony doesn't need to announce a price drop at TGS.. that's something that needs to just happen. Cause if they announce price to being in November... then from today on to Nov. no PS3s will sell. Hopefully they'll be a drop towards the end of oct/ early nov.

[Apossum]

Cause if they announce price to being in November... then from today on to Nov. no PS3s will sell. Hopefully they'll be a drop towards the end of oct/ early nov.



at least, they won't sell any to the .5% of the gaming population that pays attention to TGS.

[FoxHoundADAM]

good news is that a price drop is coming. That address was short but specific... cheaper ps3, partnerships with companies, rumble, and ps3/psp networking. I think that Sony wants to do well this holiday season, go into 08 on a high note. Sony doesn't need to announce a price drop at TGS.. that's something that needs to just happen. Cause if they announce price to being in November... then from today on to Nov. no PS3s will sell. Hopefully they'll be a drop towards the end of oct/ early nov.I guess you're a little more optomistic abuot the PS3 but as someone who was planning on picking one up this weekend that keynote did little to really make me want to do that. If anything they made me kinda want to wait and see a little longer, like sometime next year.

[pete5883]

60GB should drop to 499 and lose the pack in game.
The price on the 40GB version isn't confirmed I should say, but it is coming, unless I've been duped.

The Sony presentation will be at 8:30CST.
I guess you've been duped.

[The Mana Knight]

Uh, I wasn't expecting a SKU change in the announcement, because it would have dealt with the Japanese market. The Japanese market still has a 20GB and 60GB (I doubt the Japanese will be losing the EE anytime soon).

I'm thinking around October, we may hear something, if it is true.

[FoxHoundADAM]

Uh, I wasn't expecting a SKU change in the announcement, because it would have dealt with the Japanese market. The Japanese market still has a 20GB and 60GB (I doubt the Japanese will be losing the EE anytime soon).

I'm thinking around October, we may hear something, if it is true.Well I think Sony lost their oppertunity. A Price drop now would have gotten their name in the news a little but without the drop it's all jokes about their rumble and Halo 3 hype. If they wait till October they can still push some systems for the holidays but I HIGHLY doubt anyone will drop their price that close to Christmas, it just doesn't make sense from a business standpoint as they will sell regardless. It's these slower times when a price drop makes a difference.

Chances are that since we didn't see a price droptoday we won't be seeing one till 2008. My guess is with some sype of new package with the rumble controler.

[Thomas96]

I guess you're a little more optomistic abuot the PS3 but as someone who was planning on picking one up this weekend that keynote did little to really make me want to do that. If anything they made me kinda want to wait and see a little longer, like sometime next year.



yeah I am very optimistic. If I was a person that wanted to pick up a PS3, if I could bring myself to wait; I'd wait at least until around the holiday season to see if there was going to be a drop. MS is the one who needs to gain ground in Japan, so they needed to show off new IPs. I don't blame you for waiting, knowing that a newer cheaper version with smaller semiconductors is coming is something definitely worth waiting on [assuming that you don't really really want one now, and can be patient]. The longer you wait the more you can save, and you may be getting a better made system.

[FoxHoundADAM]

I would wait but I'm not sure if missing out on the free 5 Blue Ray movie deal would pay off if I wait.

[c_maz34]

So apparently this mole doesn't know dik

http://arstechnica.com/journals/thumbs.ars/2007/09/09/500-80gb-ps3-with-a-spiderman-3-blu-ray-pack-in-our-mole-lets-us-in-on-sonys-future-plans

[The Mana Knight]

Well I think Sony lost their oppertunity. A Price drop now would have gotten their name in the news a little but without the drop it's all jokes about their rumble and Halo 3 hype. If they wait till October they can still push some systems for the holidays but I HIGHLY doubt anyone will drop their price that close to Christmas, it just doesn't make sense from a business standpoint as they will sell regardless. It's these slower times when a price drop makes a difference.

Chances are that since we didn't see a price droptoday we won't be seeing one till 2008. My guess is with some sype of new package with the rumble controler.It has been done before around April, but usually May is price drop time.

Sony ain't going to announce a new SKU at TGS (if it's for the U.S.) because their plans for the Japanese market are different. They will probably always have a PS3 containing EE. Some may not think that's fair, but there are two reasons the Japanese will get it: Their software catalog of PS1/PS2 games is WAY larger than both U.S. and Japan. Also, video game stores in Japan still carry PS1 games brand new (PS1 and PS2 games. Heck, gaming stores even carry NES games new), and since people still buy them and they are still re-printed, they'll always receive it. A 40GB SKU that would have software BC (or no BC), just isn't going to get announced at some Japan show because they aren't getting it.

[YoshiFan1]

I hope the $399 40GB is true and then EB lowers the 20GB from $449 to $349 or less. I really want the 20GB because of the EE.

[mykevermin]

The rumors are chugging along this week again. They're too loud and too frequent to be untrue, though I must admit that announcing a price drop before releasing a product is just plain silly, which may be why (if this console is going to happen) we have not yet heard about it.

So, when Sony says "Hey guys, $400 40GB PS3!" the consumers will say "when?" If Sony's answer isn't "Right now, get yer ass over to Best Buy!" then current sales will suffer. People will hold off on buying consoles until the $400 is available. It works in that direction (price drop). When they dropped the price of the 60GB, and announced the 80GB, it was fine to announce it ahead of time - the 60GB was the cheaper of the two, so sales of that didn't suffer at all (quite the opposite, in fact). If you also recall the sordid Speedy/Circuit City ordeal, it was more Sony who was pissed than CC, because knowing ahead of time that a price drop was coming forced them to show their hand several days early, drop the price, and sacrifice that extra revenue ($100 X however many consoles they could sell in 4-5 days; 2,000 or so?).

I only hope that Sony doesn't take away BC altogether, or do something absolutely inane that would render this console undesirable.

[Apossum]

sounds like a near confirmation for the 40gb from Joystiq (source is an electronics manufacturer or something.)


come onnnnn $99 PS2! They've still got a little bit of time to announce all the stuff in the topic title for the holidays. Maybe they're waiting for a couple weeks after Halo 3 so the hype is a little cleared out. Because halo hype is impenetrable and the announcement of yet another PS3 with a different HD isn't going to turn heads.

[elwood731]

I only hope that Sony doesn't take away BC altogether, or do something absolutely inane that would render this console undesirable.
I read this rumor and it doesn't make sense to me. Isn't BC completely software based now (I mean on the new 80gb units)? So, why would they disable something that is simply software? It would seem almost petty. I'd expect more to see things like the memory card reader and WiFi stripped, as well as some of the USB ports, etc.

[Apossum]

taking out BC would be a Kutaragi move.

[v1et r1ce]

No BC on a PS3 would force me to wait till it drops to $250...:roll:

I gave my PS2 to my cousin and I have a whole bunch of PS2 games still leftover.

[dallow]

It will have BC.

[v1et r1ce]

It will have BC.

I hope you're right. You were the one that read that it was definitely going to be announced at TGS.

[dallow]

I hope you're right. You were the one that read that it was definitely going to be announced at TGS.Everyone was wrong.

I still expect to see a new model soon for $399.

However the idea of dropping BC is laughable.

[gunm]

Sony ain't going to announce a new SKU at TGS (if it's for the U.S.) because their plans for the Japanese market are different. They will probably always have a PS3 containing EE.

Where is this info from? My understanding is that they stopped all production of EE in PS3s. From a production standpoint, it makes no sense to continue making chips for one market and not for another since the point of removing the EE in the first place was to reduce cost.

And I don't get this talk about no BC since there is BC in the form of software emu. It's not 100% BC, but it's BC nonetheless.

[Thomas96]

There's some rumor coming up about a 299 40gb model to be announced this week - trying to spoil that HALO 3 party going on.

[mykevermin]

$299? No way.

[v1et r1ce]

Yeah if it was $299, I'd definitely get it. Source?

[dallow]

299?
Hehe, ain't gonna happen.

[Thomas96]

qj.net, and joystiq.com has stories about it.

one story comes from foxconn compnay that makes the PS2 - they report that they are working on the 40gb models and they're supposed to be stripped down versions of the PS3.

second story from qj.net just reports that UK is supposed to get the 299 model.

at this point every thing is rumored -

I) http://ps3.joystiq.com/2007/09/24/rumor-sony-announcing-40gb-ps3-this-week/

II) http://ps3.qj.net/UK-to-get-40GB-SKU-for-only-GBP-299-/pg/49/aid/103223



oh my bad.. that's 299 GBP ... not US...

[happy]

299 in GBP is probably almost $600 in USD with how the dollar has been doing lately. I think the canadian dollar is about equal to us now.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

I hope the $399 40GB is true and then EB lowers the 20GB from $449 to $349 or less. I really want the 20GB because of the EE.

Cmon now, EB is part of the monolith known as AssRapeStop now, so you REALLY think they're gonna CUT the price? If anything, for people wanting more complete BC, they'll up the price to $499 or some other insane number.

Then, they'll hold that there until they realize NO ONE is gonna buy an older model PS3 at what the 60gb was/is going for right now.

I miss the last generation, when consoles cost $299.99 and controllers were a 'mere' $29.99 and brains flew through space.

[v1et r1ce]

Someone apparently is saying his friend just unloaded a truck with 50 40gb PS3s at bestbuy.

http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=184930

I'll wait for pics.

[Thomas96]

I can't believe that they could already be in stores... they should have had them in sunday's newspaper.

[Apossum]

eeenteresting. kinda dumb of Sony if true. they don't have so much pull as to blow everyone's mind with a 40gb PS3 right now. they need all the good publicity they can get.

[aerozero]

I can't believe that they could already be in stores... they should have had them in sunday's newspaper.

I think after the 1st price drop got leaked, they might be getting cautious...

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

eeenteresting. kinda dumb of Sony if true. they don't have so much pull as to blow everyone's mind with a 40gb PS3 right now. they need all the good publicity they can get.

Only company not pulling the multi SKU thing now is Ninty and they're in first place, last time I checked. Between switching between good BC and bad BC and now the potential rumble SixAxis(even though rumble is 'old tech' and 'last gen'), they're confusing the fuck out of their potential market. So believe me, this is nothing but heaps and heaps of bad publicity at every turn.

Plus, casuals don't give a shit if the system plays every stupid disc format under the sun, so that wouldn't be a selling point for most, so no need to market it as such. Personally, I still think it's just Sony shoving their new disc format down an unwilling publics throat.

If Sony and MS want to have a bigger share of the gaming pie, they need to get 1)reliable hardware(for MS) and 2) reasonably priced hardware that does all of the crap it's last gen counterparts did flawlessly for those who sold their prior gen systems to afford the new toys that're out now.

Stupidest thing Sony did was going MS's route and making BC sketchy at best, though many reported that on a PS3 PS2 games looked like ass till the one update anyway. Taking out the components many people WERE using, while keeping the extra crap in there that only some are using was REAL smart, Sony.

I wouldn't care if the PS3 came with 50 Blu-Ray discs, since I have no plans to use the system for playing movies. Give me something I really value and stop switching the damned SKUs already.

[dallow]

I can't believe how annoying I find the above poster's posts.

Every damn one of them.
Guy's such a douche.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

Why do my posts annoy you? Because I'm not like 'omg Sony is the bestest, I want their shitty shit so much, I'll pay any godforsaken bullshit price they ask'?

Or just because I happen to be stating something obvious that you'd rather ignore and not have put 'in your face'?

Either way, me 'annoying you' puts a big ol smile on my face and I hope to continue doing it for many years to come. Don't like my posts, put me on your ignore list.

[dallow]

Gosh, he's just so damn annoying.
It used to be guyver, but this guy is edging him out.

[Steggy]

heres hopin the new ps3s come before the free bluray promotion ends. If that is the case... than I may be getting one from the fiance as an early xmas gift :)

[gunm]

40GB PS3s quietly hitting retailer storerooms the week of Halo 3 launch?

Interesting, but I'll believe it when I see it.

[cochesecochese]

Come onnnnn $399 60 gig.

[Thomas96]

I think after the 1st price drop got leaked, they might be getting cautious...


oh god.. now "da city" is going to supeona for me now.

[IAmTheCheapestGamer]

LOL Thomas, was nice knowin ya.....tell Speedy I said hi.

[FriskyTanuki]

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/news/?id=17541

I don't think anybody else has posted this bit of news yet.

As speculation surrounding the introduction of a cheaper 40GB PS3 continues to circulate (http://news.sky.com/skynews/xml/article/tech/0,,91221-10259,00.html)—it's believed that the 80GB will drop to $499 while a new 40GB model will be brought to market for $399—Newsweek's N'Gai Croal has posted some interesting information in his latest Monday Morning Quarterback (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2007/09/24/monday-morning-quarterback-for-august-2007.aspx) feature.

According to trusted sources outside of Sony, Croal said that "Sony placed a sizable order for 40 gigabyte hard drives." More interesting still is that the "profit and loss on hardware has been moved from Sony Computer Entertainment International (SCEI) to the regional groups, SCE America, SCE Europe and SCE Japan. This means that each territory is now free to set its own pricing on PS3 hardware, but those individual territories are responsible for managing the hit to their profitability if they decide to cut the price."

This could potentially explain why SCE chief executive Kaz Hirai made no announcement of a price cut during the Tokyo Game Show. If profit and loss is being handled on a regional basis, SCEA could still announce a price cut and a new 40GB model in the near future.

Croal continued, "If my source is correct, I'd expect to see a $399 PS3 in North America before Thanksgiving... I'm not sure that Japan will cut its price that much, but I suspect that they will time their price cut to the December release of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue; the Japanese will probably also see some GT5 Prologue bundles as well. Europe is a bit of a wild card, since various PAL territories have already put together some extravagant bundles to help justify the PS3's extravagant price, but I expect them to avail themselves of the returning 40 gigabyte model as well."
Seems like you should keep your eyes open for the new SKU for a while longer.

[cochesecochese]

Hey hey sony. How about a 399 60 gig already. Sheesh.

[gunm]

Thanks for the heads up Frisky. Not wholly surprising, but this news does get more and more interesting by the day. I know my buddy will be all over GT5:Prologue like white on rice, but I'm sure a $399.99 system will make it that much easier for him to bite. Heck, for a lot more people I imagine.

[pete5883]

Yeah I'm a couple pages late, but why would anyone think BC would be taken out? The software has already been developed, so they would save no money by removing the feature. And why would they want to reduce their features if it resulted in no savings for anyone?

Edit: If months pass and this turns out to be just a rumor after all, it probably started from this (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=27100) article.

[The Mana Knight]

Yeah I'm a couple pages late, but why would anyone think BC would be taken out? The software has already been developed, so they would save no money by removing the feature. And why would they want to reduce their features if it resulted in no savings for anyone?

Edit: If months pass and this turns out to be just a rumor after all, it probably started from this (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=27100) article.From what I believe (I could be wrong), the software BC still uses the GS (but removed the EE). By removing BC, they might be removing the GS. I could be wrong, but I could have sworn the GS was still in the EE removed PS3 consoles.

[mykevermin]

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=834016&fcc_id=AK8CBEH1000

[dallow]

Nice.

[dmaul1114]

That would be a huge step in the right direction for Sony.

I still don't think I'd bite at $400 as the games just aren't there for me yet, and I'm not really itching to have a Blu Ray player at this point. Disc prices will have to be much closer to DVD range (i.e. find most everything for $5-10 within a year of release) for me to get excited about Blu Ray or HD DVD as I'm not a videophile.

[dallow]

Damn, all this time I thought you had a PS3.

[dmaul1114]

Damn, all this time I thought you had a PS3.

Nope. I have a hard time envisioning paying more than $300 for a console regardless of it's game library.

So just the Wii for me so far this generation. Will pick up either a 360 or a PS3 eventually as the Wii isn't looking likely to have enough AAA games to keep me busy.

It's looking more like a 360 as it just has more exclusives out and announced that interest me, which is somewhat disappointing to me as the PS2 was my most played console last gen.

[Vanigan]

Actually guys, notice how there's a lot of Sony titles releasing on or near November 20th? That's including some big multiplatform titles. I suspect we'll see the $400 model on or near November 20th, just in time for people to go to stores to check it out, especially during the US's biggest sales day, Black Friday after Thanksgiving. Then as they look at the game shelves they see games like Haze, Rock Band, Uncharted. Many are multiplatform yes, but the shelves will be quite a bit more filled. I think the "PS3 has no games" argument is going to go away come that time.

Here, let me a compile a list from EB of games that'll come out on or before November 20th (exclusives have a *):
Ratchet and Clank Future*
Guitar Hero 3
Stranglehold
Blacksite: Area 51
Call of Duty 4 (I think?)
Bladestorm: Hundred Years War
WWE Smackdown vs RAW 2008
Singstar*
Army of Two
Assassin's Creed
Kane & Lynch Dead Men
Need for Speed Pro Street
Half-Life 2 Orange Box
College Hoops 2k8
Haze*
Medal of Honor Airborne
Unreal Tournament 3 (timed)
Rock Band
Time Crisis 4*
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune*

And don't start arguing who will buy what multiplatform game for what system because it's all subjective and depends on what system you have now and what you'll buy. Yes, it's a valid argument, but that isn't the point of this current discusion. So can it. Same goes for the idiots who will undoubtedly start rumoring that every PS3 exclusive will come to the 360 sometime. Go elsewhere.

[dallow]

After this Christmas season.
I never want to hear the "no games" crap again.

[Thomas96]

Actually guys, notice how there's a lot of Sony titles releasing on or near November 20th? That's including some big multiplatform titles. I suspect we'll see the $400 model on or near November 20th, just in time for people to go to stores to check it out, especially during the US's biggest sales day, Black Friday after Thanksgiving. Then as they look at the game shelves they see games like Haze, Rock Band, Uncharted. Many are multiplatform yes, but the shelves will be quite a bit more filled. I think the "PS3 has no games" argument is going to go away come that time.

Here, let me a compile a list from EB of games that'll come out on or before November 20th (exclusives have a *):
Ratchet and Clank Future*
Guitar Hero 3
Stranglehold
Blacksite: Area 51
Call of Duty 4 (I think?)
Bladestorm: Hundred Years War
WWE Smackdown vs RAW 2008
Singstar*
Army of Two
Assassin's Creed
Kane & Lynch Dead Men
Need for Speed Pro Street
Half-Life 2 Orange Box
College Hoops 2k8
Haze*
Medal of Honor Airborne
Unreal Tournament 3 (timed)
Rock Band
Time Crisis 4*
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune*

And don't start arguing who will buy what multiplatform game for what system because it's all subjective and depends on what system you have now and what you'll buy. Yes, it's a valid argument, but that isn't the point of this current discusion. So can it. Same goes for the idiots who will undoubtedly start rumoring that every PS3 exclusive will come to the 360 sometime. Go elsewhere.



that's not a bad holiday lineup.. plus I think this holiday Sony needs to start their Greatest hits library.. 24.99

[dmaul1114]

After this Christmas season.
I never want to hear the "no games" crap again.

I think people mainly mean "no exclusive games" and there are very few in that list....and none that I give a crap about.

Exclusives are that matter when deciding which console to buy. At least for those that only buy consoles to play games.

[Vanigan]

The argument has been "no games" period, not just exclusives. Exclusives are always a factor, but there are many more factors than that.

But to address your argument, exclusives need to be developed first party, or funded development (2nd party), or gotten via an expensive deal with an independant publisher/developer (third party). In all cases, such games take around 2 years to develop after such a deal is made. Sony didn't have its act together until after the launch in terms of getting developers, but they've got a lot now since launch. There'll be a lot of new exclusives for the PS3 come 2008. The main ones we know about are Killzone 2, MGS4, Final Fantasy 13 (and Versus). There's unannounced ones like Heavy Rain, God of War 3, SOCOM 5, and some other Sony IPs that'll get PS3 versions.

What this should mean to you depends on why you aren't getting a PS3. Do you simply not see any exclusive games you want now, but would pick it up when enough come out? Or do you have ill placed loyalty to one corporation over another?

[dallow]

I think people mainly mean "no exclusive games" and there are very few in that list....and none that I give a crap about.

Exclusives are that matter when deciding which console to buy. At least for those that only buy consoles to play games.Has about the same amount of 360 exclusives coming this holday season.

And you simply decide on that, then the Wii is the top console as none of the others can match it's wide selection of point and click EXCLUSIVE shovelware.

[elwood731]

And don't start arguing who will buy what multiplatform game for what system because it's all subjective and depends on what system you have now and what you'll buy. Yes, it's a valid argument, but that isn't the point of this current discusion. So can it. Same goes for the idiots who will undoubtedly start rumoring that every PS3 exclusive will come to the 360 sometime. Go elsewhere.
It's interesting, because Sony is basically in the position MS was last generation. There were plenty of good games on the Xbox, but when you looked at the PS2 next to it, it just had so many MORE games, and so many of those were exclusives. Now, granted in only their first year, Sony is in a similar position it's gaining ground every month. I think by Christmas 2008 these two systems will look much more similar.

[dmaul1114]

What this should mean to you depends on why you aren't getting a PS3. Do you simply not see any exclusive games you want now, but would pick it up when enough come out? Or do you have ill placed loyalty to one corporation over another?


No loyalty to any of the companies, pretty much think they all suck at this point in time as I'm not very happy with what any of them are offering right now.

I'm not getting a PS3 yet (and probably won't) because:

1. I don't think I'd ever pay more than $299.99 for a console. Had never paid more than $199.99 before buying a Wii at launch.

2. No real "must have" exclusives out or announced for me. I mean I'd like to play FFXIII, but I have no real time for RPGs anymore, wouldn't mind Ratchet and Clank, but I'm pretty sick of the series. Hate the MGS games etc. etc.

So for me to pick one up, it would have to hit $300, and have enough exclusves for me to buy it over the 360, which at least has a decent handful of exclusives that interest me--Gears, Halo 3, Bioshock (assuming the PS3 version is indeed canned), Mass Effect, etc.

[dmaul1114]

Has about the same amount of 360 exclusives coming this holday season.

And you simply decide on that, then the Wii is the top console as none of the others can match it's wide selection of point and click EXCLUSIVE shovelware.

I think the Wii's software sucks. I think MS and Sony won't catch it in sales as it is selling like fucking hot cakes DESPITE having shit software.

It's just a crazy phenomenon. And sales will definitley keep up now that stuff like Metroid, Mario and Smash Bros are coming out, Mario Kart next year etc.

Fair point on the 360 exclusives, difference for me is there are some I actually want to play there. And from a business point they have huge system seller exclusive in Halo 3, and Mass Effect looks to move some consoles too. The PS3 is hurt by MGS4 not coming this year as that's the one that could have moved some systems.

[dallow]

Why'd you pick up a Wii again?
I know you're infamous for bashing the games over at the Wii board.

Must be all the exclusives.

Or probably like me, pretty much solely for the Nintendo titles.
And I now that I see your post above, I'm right.

Lot of money to pay for such few titles though.
It was worth it for me however, as I would have bought the Wii only for Smash.

[dmaul1114]

Why'd you pick up a Wii again?
I know you're infamous for bashing the games over at the Wii board.

Must be all the exclusives.

Or probably like me, pretty much solely for the Nintendo titles.
And I now that I see your post above, I'm right.

Lot of money to pay for such few titles though.

1. It was the only one that was affordable.

2. I had an x-box and GC gathering dust, selling them and most of the games garnered enough cash to get the Wii and Zelda at launch with no cost out of pocket.

3. I was stoked for the motion control. Have been let down buy it for the most part so far, but I did love it in Zelda and Metroid, so the potential is still there.

4. Nintendo, while not a great hardware maker IMO, is my favorite game developer. So as you noted, their games were the main draw. Honestly, if it wasn't for Nintendo games, I'd probably have quit gaming a long time ago. So it's hard for me to pass up a console. I'd hoped for years that they'd pull a sega, and I could enjoy their games on better hardware from Sony or MS, but that's obviously never going to happen with the tremendous success of the DS and Wii.


So that's pretty much it. If I had to do it over again, I'd probably put the cash I made selling all that crap into a 360 as there's definitely more that I want to play there than on the Wii. But then again, while there's more games, there's nothing that I'd want to play more than Zelda, Mario and Metroid, so it's a toss up, especially when you factor in the extra cost and high failure rate.....man this gen really sucks so far. :D

[Blackout]

So I take it 60gb will drop again too?

[Thomas96]

who ever wants a Wii can get one, because its affordable... whoever wants 360 can get one, cause its affordable.. I just want the PS3 to be affordable so that people who want one, can get one.

[dmaul1114]

So I take it 60gb will drop again too?

I believe the rumor is that it will be gone for good, and the 80GB will stick around. Whether it stays $600 or sees a drop I've not heard.

[FriskyTanuki]

I believe the rumor is that it will be gone for good, and the 80GB will stick around. Whether it stays $600 or sees a drop I've not heard.
It's not a rumor. Sony said it themselves that once the 60GBs are off store shelves, they're gone for good.

[dmaul1114]

It's not a rumor. Sony said it themselves that once the 60GBs are off store shelves, they're gone for good.

Well, there you have it. So it will just be 40 and 80GB as the two options, at $399 and whatever the 80GB goes for, I'd expect it to stay at $599 for a while as an elite option, with the 40GB being marketed the most..

[mykevermin]

Well, there you have it. So it will just be 40 and 80GB as the two options, at $399 and whatever the 80GB goes for, I'd expect it to stay at $599 for a while as an elite option, with the 40GB being marketed the most..

Not likely. The $600 80GB has "limited edition" marked on the box, and there's no way they could sell it at $600 without Motorstorm. I could foresee it dropping to $500 once 60GB supplies are mostly depleted (whenever the hell that comes to pass).

[Vanigan]

Actually the 60gb are out at Sony's warehouses, not store shelves. Although I suspect those on the shelves are getting a little thin, there should be some left going into the holidays. But, it's likely Sony will announce something before Thanksgiving in the US.

We can assume, for now, that the $400 40gb rumors will come true due to the FCC paperwork that was found. I think sony will have to have something at the $500 price point, but they'll wait until the 40gb version is announced too before announcing anything else.

Now we just play the waiting game until November. I'm still betting on an announcement on or around November 20th, to coincide with both the release of a bunch of Sony games, and the start of the holiday shopping season on the 25th.

[Thomas96]

well at least the PS3s are selling,

[Vanigan]

Yep, that's certainly something.

I think this move is more a big effort to keep the big exclusives like FF13 and MGS4. Along with a general push to get sales this holiday season to get a nice start for 2008.

Remember how both Konami and Square were saying how the PS3 sales need to pick up and the price needs to go down, otherwise they'd consider other consoles?

Notice how they've now shut up about that in all the press releases and interviews, and then lo and behold a basically confirmed $400 version shows up? Rumored to be funded by the Sony insurance division's IPO?

It's not exactly desperation, but it is a bold move for a company that knows its behind and has pulled out all stops to catch up. Sony knows it needs to catch up bigtime, especially since the first two big name exclusives had flaws (Lair was a mess. Heavenly Sword was just a tad too short, but still good.)

Sony also had to pickup Haze as an exclusive to satisfy FPS gamers since no doubt people with only PS3s are going to want to play some big FPS game while they watch 360 owners play Halo 3.

[snowsquirrel]

I think going exclusive PS3 for haze was a smart (obvious) move for them. They would be up against huge competition in the 360 FPS dept. So what every deal they worked out with sony was probably pretty close to the paltry sales they would have had on 360.

~S

[elwood731]

I think going exclusive PS3 for haze was a smart (obvious) move for them. They would be up against huge competition in the 360 FPS dept. So what every deal they worked out with sony was probably pretty close to the paltry sales they would have had on 360.
Yeah, Haze had all the earmarks of turning out like Pariah on the Xbox. Decent game completely forgotten due to Halo. Now, as an exclusive for the PS3, it will get more attention and additional marketing from Sony themselves. Not too bad a move.

[BattleChicken]

well at least the PS3s are selling,

While they may be selling, I don't think they're selling fast enough encourage FFXIII and MGS4 level exclusives -- and both those games were in development BEFORE the PS3 launched. I'm not sure they would be if they knew what the installed bases would look like now. I bet they would be Wii titles.

I don't doubt that FFXIII and MGS4 will hit the PS3 because of the current development time invested in each game -- I also think it is more likely than not that they will remain exclusives... (for at least a year anyways...) However, I DO think new game developments starting today are much, much MUCH less likely to be PS3 exclusives -- more likely cross platform if they go to the PS3. I certainly think the number of exclusives coming out for Xbox 360 will be greater -- both including and excluding the PS3/Xbox360 arcade titles.

I would think it is a simple question of installed bases -- and Sony currently has the lowest installed base, and would thus the least profitable future prospect. $400 PS3 could turn that around. $300 PS3 WOULD turn that around.

[elwood731]

However, I DO think new game developments starting today are much, much MUCH less likely to be PS3 exclusives -- more likely cross platform if they go to the PS3. I certainly think the number of exclusives coming out for Xbox 360 will be greater -- both including and excluding the PS3/Xbox360 arcade titles.

I would think it is a simple question of installed bases -- and Sony currently has the lowest installed base, and would thus the least profitable future prospect. $400 PS3 could turn that around. $300 PS3 WOULD turn that around.

I think you are certainly right about American developed games and American style games. However, there are still many games that do not sell well outside Japan, sell better in Japan, or sell just as well in Japan as they do in the US and I think many of those will continue to be developed for the PS3. There's simply no reason for Japanese developers to develop exclusively for the Xbox 360 unless they believe the title will sell better in the US.

[dmaul1114]

I think you are certainly right about American developed games and American style games. However, there are still many games that do not sell well outside Japan, sell better in Japan, or sell just as well in Japan as they do in the US and I think many of those will continue to be developed for the PS3. There's simply no reason for Japanese developers to develop exclusively for the Xbox 360 unless they believe the title will sell better in the US.


If the developers don't care much about cutting edge graphics, they may go to the Wii instead though, since it has a larger install base in BOTH Japan and the US.

Already seeing it in the handheld world with stuff like Dragon Quest 9 going to the DS--and the PSP while dreadfully behind the DS has sold a hell of a lot better than the PS3.

[evilomar]

well at least the PS3s are selling,


So are Gamecubes, GBAs, and I'm sure at some pawnshops around the world the Jaguars are moving off the shelves!

[elwood731]

If the developers don't care much about cutting edge graphics, they may go to the Wii instead though, since it has a larger install base in BOTH Japan and the US.

Already seeing it in the handheld world with stuff like Dragon Quest 9 going to the DS--and the PSP while dreadfully behind the DS has sold a hell of a lot better than the PS3.
Good point. And I think we may see some surprising titles and franchise move to Wii development. But I think there's still a great deal of interest in developing for a cutting-edge console, and in turn for gamers to buy games for it. The DQ9 to DS issue is a little bit unique in that the DS overwhelmingly dominates the hand held market, and while allegiance may be split between three main consoles, everyone had to buy from basically one hand held, so there's a big pie split less ways. That, of course, is changing as the PSP continues to pick up in sales, and we're seeing more development split because of it.

But yeah, certainly the Wii is alluring to many. I think many were surprised to hear the next Kingdom Hearts is still in development for the PS3, as the Wii seemed a perfect fit. Perhaps they are trying to keep KH and Final Fantasy tied together?

[Thomas96]

While they may be selling, I don't think they're selling fast enough encourage FFXIII and MGS4 level exclusives -- and both those games were in development BEFORE the PS3 launched. I'm not sure they would be if they knew what the installed bases would look like now. I bet they would be Wii titles.

I don't doubt that FFXIII and MGS4 will hit the PS3 because of the current development time invested in each game -- I also think it is more likely than not that they will remain exclusives... (for at least a year anyways...) However, I DO think new game developments starting today are much, much MUCH less likely to be PS3 exclusives -- more likely cross platform if they go to the PS3. I certainly think the number of exclusives coming out for Xbox 360 will be greater -- both including and excluding the PS3/Xbox360 arcade titles.

I would think it is a simple question of installed bases -- and Sony currently has the lowest installed base, and would thus the least profitable future prospect. $400 PS3 could turn that around. $300 PS3 WOULD turn that around.


We're still early in the game and if MGS4, and FFXIII don't generate enough revenue they can still port them to 360. Exclusives are present to move systems, you don't get exclusives just because you're system is selling the best. - that happens because sometimes, devs don't have enough resouces to make a game for multiple consoles. PS3 doesn't need to sell X amount of consoles to be granted MGS4 and FFXIII level exclusives, its getting them because A) sony paid money for them, and B) because they're needed to push systems.

Unless MS pays, I wouldn't keep a game exclusive on 360, because it can be overlooked, whereas on PS3 it could help push systems. There's plenty of money to be made on PS3, plus a smart developer wouldn't be developing games based on todays market... you develop based on market predictions, and there's a lot of predictions that indicated that PS3 will be outselling 360s by this time next year.

[Thomas96]

So are Gamecubes, GBAs, and I'm sure at some pawnshops around the world the Jaguars are moving off the shelves!



yeah well I guess you should put your money back into that Atari Jaguar stock.

[BattleChicken]

But yeah, certainly the Wii is alluring to many. I think many were surprised to hear the next Kingdom Hearts is still in development for the PS3, as the Wii seemed a perfect fit. Perhaps they are trying to keep KH and Final Fantasy tied together?

Chain of memories for the GBA. I believe there is also one in development for the DS.

Nintendo is getting more square games than Sony, and WAY more than Microsoft.

[elwood731]

Chain of memories for the GBA. I believe there is also one in development for the DS.

Nintendo is getting more square games than Sony, and WAY more than Microsoft.
Perhaps I should have been more clear, the next "main" Kingdom Hearts game. Yes, there are KH titles in development for DS, PSP, and cell phones.

[evilomar]

yeah well I guess you should put your money back into that Atari Jaguar stock.


I didn't even know they had stock back then...I thought it was all gone after the 7800. I do think that the Jaguar currently has more titles than the PS3 though.

[dmaul1114]

Unless MS pays, I wouldn't keep a game exclusive on 360, because it can be overlooked, whereas on PS3 it could help push systems.

While I agree with the rest of your post, that part is just nonsense. At least when talking about huge AAA exclusives.

Those types of games never get overlooked. And you're going to sell more on the 360 with it's 2x+ installed base than on the PS3 right now regardless of pushing some console sales.

The only reason to put a big AAA game exclusive is really if a console maker is paying you to do so (thus ofsetting the loss of sales on other platforms). And this is even more true when the console in question is in a distant third place and looking pretty gloomy sales wise in general through the 2007 holiday season.

[mykevermin]

I didn't even know they had stock back then...I thought it was all gone after the 7800. I do think that the Jaguar currently has more titles than the PS3 though.

Are you in the PS3 forum to do anything other than be a bastard?

[Thomas96]

While I agree with the rest of your post, that part is just nonsense. At least when talking about huge AAA exclusives.

Those types of games never get overlooked. And you're going to sell more on the 360 with it's 2x+ installed base than on the PS3 right now regardless of pushing some console sales.

The only reason to put a big AAA game exclusive is really if a console maker is paying you to do so (thus ofsetting the loss of sales on other platforms). And this is even more true when the console in question is in a distant third place and looking pretty gloomy sales wise in general through the 2007 holiday season.

AAA titles dont' get overlooked.. your'e right; take for instance a game like Haze, on 360 its going to get overlooked, however on PS3 as a timed exclusive, it could sell a couple of PS3s. On PS3 its a fresh new IP, on 360 its just another FPS. HAZE could be a AAA title... it could be a B, or C.

[Thomas96]

I didn't even know they had stock back then...I thought it was all gone after the 7800. I do think that the Jaguar currently has more titles than the PS3 though.


so does N-gage... which one are you gonna buy? Ngage or Jaguar...

[H.Cornerstone]

http://www.dailytech.com/FCC+Filing+Provides+Peek+at+New+PlayStation+3+Mode l/article9067.htm
FCC filing reveals new PS3, cheap one for the holidays.

[anarchyburger]

http://www.dailytech.com/FCC+Filing+Provides+Peek+at+New+PlayStation+3+Mode l/article9067.htm
FCC filing reveals new PS3, cheap one for the holidays.hmm interesting...

nice find

[FoxHoundADAM]

hmm interesting...

nice findSo based on that artical the new model would have a 40 GB harddrive, WiFi, but no card reader and only 2 USB ports (instead of the normal 4) and would cost $400.

Sounds like the model they should have released in the first place. Although the lack of the emotion engine really does suck.

[dmaul1114]

Sounds like the model they should have released in the first place. Although the lack of the emotion engine really does suck.

I don't mind it too much. All I still play on the PS2 is the guitar hero games, and unless I missed news of an update the controllers won't work anyway, so if I got a PS3 I'd probably just sell the PS2 and those games and pick up GH3.

[evilomar]

Are you in the PS3 forum to do anything other than be a bastard?

I believe I know who my father is. I didn't know I couldn't put an opinion on a message board, I will run it by you next time I plan on making one (just expect a PM). I don't hate Sony, I own both a PSX and PS2, but the PS3 is suffering from the same condition the PSP had. Lack of games and way too much money for most people to invest in. If Sony really wants the PS3 to move then a price drop is not going to really help that much . What they really need now are games. I'm sure when MGS 4 and FFXIII hit the PS3 will start selling more. Of course this is my opinion and what the hell does a bastard like me know anyway? Ohh and defenitely the Jaguar over the Ncage, if anything just to play Fight for Life again.

[Ugamer_X]

Of course this is my opinion and what the hell does a bastard like me know anyway.
Exactly.

[FoxHoundADAM]

I don't mind it too much. All I still play on the PS2 is the guitar hero games, and unless I missed news of an update the controllers won't work anyway, so if I got a PS3 I'd probably just sell the PS2 and those games and pick up GH3.Wait the PS2 GH guitar doesn't work on the PS3!?!?!? Fuck!

[dmaul1114]

Wait the PS2 GH guitar doesn't work on the PS3!?!?!? Fuck!

Not unless I missed news of a recent firmware update that fixed the issue.

[Blackout]

So based on that artical the new model would have a 40 GB harddrive, WiFi, but no card reader and only 2 USB ports (instead of the normal 4) and would cost $400.

Sounds like the model they should have released in the first place. Although the lack of the emotion engine really does suck.

What does the card reader exactly do? I don't know if I need 80 GB, that is a hell of a lot.

[FoxHoundADAM]

What does the card reader exactly do? I don't know if I need 80 GB, that is a hell of a lot.It's just a typical flash card reader. You can slide in an SD, Compact Flash, Pro Duo card in and upload videos and pictures. Not really needed but some people like it.

I'd never use it though.

[Blackout]

It's just a typical flash card reader. You can slide in an SD, Compact Flash, Pro Duo card in and upload videos and pictures. Not really needed but some people like it.

I'd never use it though.

I'll still be able to get pics and vids from the PSN right?

[-Never4ever-]

who ever wants a Wii can get one, because its affordable... whoever wants 360 can get one, cause its affordable.. I just want the PS3 to be affordable so that people who want one, can get one.

Thing is, there's not a whole lot of people who both want a PS3, and can't afford one. I've said this at least a hundred times since the PS3 first launched; the system could have launched for less than the cost of a Wii and it would probably still be in dead last.

The PS3 has a lot of problems, the price point being one of the smallest.

[dmaul1114]

Thing is, there's not a whole lot of people who both want a PS3, and can't afford one. I've said this at least a hundred times since the PS3 first launched; the system could have launched for less than the cost of a Wii and it would probably still be in dead last.

The PS3 has a lot of problems, the price point being one of the smallest.


I disagree. I'd have bought one at launch on name alone if it had been $300 or less. Just due to the PS1 and PS2 having the most games I enjoyed the past two generations.

But at $500-600, no way, but due to principle (games just not worth that to me regardless of budget) and having a fairly tight budget.

The principle point is very relevant. People don't have to "not be able to afford" something, to think it's overpriced and not worth the price. I'm sure there are plenty of people who could easily afford to drop $600 on a game console or anything else without much/any saving up. But that doesn't mean they won't pass as a game console isn't worth $600 to them.

It's like that with anything. I could afford to go to Guess or some other store and drop $100 on a pair of jeans. But it doesn't mean that I'm willing to drop the cash when I can pick up a fine looking pair at Old Navy or Kohls for $20. Similarly, why should I drop $550-600 on a PS3 when I could get another game machine for $250-$479, and all three have some games I want to play.

So, honestly, the issue of just not being willing to drop the $600 is probably more of a deterrent that outright not being able to afford one. $600 isn't a huge ton of money to save up for most people with real jobs and no crazy debts etc., but it is still just an absurd amount to even think of dropping on a game console for many people.


Now, sitting here a year later, price is still a huge barrier to me, but the $399 40GB is much more doable. So you're right that they do have other, arguably bigger problems moving forward now that prices are coming down Having very few exclusives that interest me is now just as big a kicker as the price (after the $399 drop comes around). $399 for a PS3 with it's blu ray player doesn't seem nearly as harsh a price to swallow. But not having many games that personally interst me, combined with the $399 tag is still keeping me away for the time being.

But I would still say a lot of the lacking games and other problems is a result of having such a high launch price, which led to such a slow sales start etc. etc. turned developers away, lost some exclusives etc. The ridiculous launch price was the first thing that really started their problems--well I guess the second after launching a year after the 360. It's just all snowballed from here.

Hopefully they can make a strong comeback, as competition is good for us all, so I really would like to see them compete strongly with at least MS, even if they can't catch up to the Wii.

[gunm]

Thing is, there's not a whole lot of people who both want a PS3, and can't afford one. I've said this at least a hundred times since the PS3 first launched; the system could have launched for less than the cost of a Wii and it would probably still be in dead last.

The PS3 has a lot of problems, the price point being one of the smallest.

OT, but I disagree. I don't consider myself to be representative of the mainstream demographic, but yes, I would've bought a PS3 day one if it were $300 or less. I can't believe that Joe Consumer would make price the least of their concerns when making a purchasing decision, particularly with something that is supposed to primarily play games and costs more than $500. The Wii had very little games of any substance at launch and it totally blew the PS3 away in sales. Both systems had some mainstream buzz, both had motion technology built into the controls. But the price of the Wii was less than half that of a PS3. If you were Joe Average and had to choose between the two for your son/daughter/niece/nephew/etc which would you choose?

Back on topic, I'm liking that we're seeing more and more info on this alleged cheaper PS3. If it's true, and I see no reason why it wouldn't be, it does make Kaz out to be a bald-faced liar about the single sku spin not too long ago, but I understand that Sony didn't originally plan it to be this way.

[propeller_head]

I disagree. I'd have bought one at launch on name alone if it had been $300 or less. Just due to the PS1 and PS2 having the most games I enjoyed the past two generations.

But at $500-600, no way, but due to principle (games just not worth that to me regardless of budget) and having a fairly tight budget.

The principle point is very relevant. People don't have to "not be able to afford" something, to think it's overpriced and not worth the price. I'm sure there are plenty of people who could easily afford to drop $600 on a game console or anything else without much/any saving up. But that doesn't mean they won't pass as a game console isn't worth $600 to them.

It's like that with anything. I could afford to go to Guess or some other store and drop $100 on a pair of jeans. But it doesn't mean that I'm willing to drop the cash when I can pick up a fine looking pair at Old Navy or Kohls for $20. Similarly, why should I drop $550-600 on a PS3 when I could get another game machine for $250-$479, and all three have some games I want to play.

So, honestly, the issue of just not being willing to drop the $600 is probably more of a deterrent that outright not being able to afford one. $600 isn't a huge ton of money to save up for most people with real jobs and no crazy debts etc., but it is still just an absurd amount to even think of dropping on a game console for many people.


Now, sitting here a year later, price is still a huge barrier to me, but the $399 40GB is much more doable. So you're right that they do have other, arguably bigger problems moving forward now that prices are coming down Having very few exclusives that interest me is now just as big a kicker as the price (after the $399 drop comes around). $399 for a PS3 with it's blu ray player doesn't seem nearly as harsh a price to swallow. But not having many games that personally interst me, combined with the $399 tag is still keeping me away for the time being.

But I would still say a lot of the lacking games and other problems is a result of having such a high launch price, which led to such a slow sales start etc. etc. turned developers away, lost some exclusives etc. The ridiculous launch price was the first thing that really started their problems--well I guess the second after launching a year after the 360. It's just all snowballed from here.

Hopefully they can make a strong comeback, as competition is good for us all, so I really would like to see them compete strongly with at least MS, even if they can't catch up to the Wii.http://www.santacruzlive.com/blogs/airingitout/wp-content/photos/spock.jpg

It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want.
--Spock

:lol:

[dmaul1114]

OT, but I disagree. I don't consider myself to be representative of the mainstream demographic, but yes, I would've bought a PS3 day one if it were $300 or less. .

Thinking on that more, you're probably right.

A large chunk of gamers are teens and young adults/college students. Many too old to beg mommy and daddy for a console, and yet probably not working enough to be able to afford a $600 console very easily. Not to mention a lot of parents probably wouldn't even think of buying their kids a $600 console (be it not being able to afford it, or just not wanting to spoil their kids that much).

For adults, most that want one could save up and buy it, aside from those around the poverty line with no expendable income period.

So they're really alienating a large chunk of the demographic, on top of losing those who just don't think it's worth $600 even though they can afford it.

[dmaul1114]

It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want.
--Spock

:lol:



:D

I want an HD next gen system for sure. Not totally decided on 360 vs. PS3 yet. If I was buying one today, it would be the 360 as it has a lot more games I want now.

But I may well not get one until 2008, as the DS and Wii should keep me busy until then. And tables may turn then if the PS3 has a price drop or two, and some mroe games that interest me pop up.

Blu ray helps as well, not really ready to make the jump now as disc prices are so high, but for $300-400 for a PS3, it does at least factor in as an added feature I'd start using at some point in time when disc prices fall.

[c_maz34]

In all these discussions of which has the better games, price, etc. I would think 'works' would be a pretty big factor.

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/14663/Halo-3-Disc-Read-Error-Driving-Gamers-Mad-UPDATED-/

[dmaul1114]

In all these discussions of which has the better games, price, etc. I would think 'works' would be a pretty big factor.

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/14663/Halo-3-Disc-Read-Error-Driving-Gamers-Mad-UPDATED-/

Huge factor. And a big reason why I haven't totally ruled out the PS3. Part of me would feel better just waiting for the PS3 (which seems much more reliable) to fall into my price range and have enough games to justify a purchase.

Failure rate on the 360 worries the shit out of me. The 3 year warranty helps, but that probably wouldn't cover disc read crap like this story as the warranty is just for the Red Ring of Death problem. Though that does sound like it may be a bad batch of Halo 3 discs, rather than another hardware problem.

[Vanigan]

Now as someone who liked my 360 and Halo and the games I played on it. I'm going all PS3 and only buying exclusives for my 360 now. I'll even wait for timed exclusives.

Why? Because my 360 all but died 1 day before Halo 3's release. The system went untouched for months, then I show my friend a demo and poof. Every game freezes in 3D scenes after 5-30 minutes, or at even more random intervals or events. It would have a ear shattering screeching noise over the speakers and overlay the frozen screen with block pixel noise. In desperation to join up with my friends in campaign co-op while it was still fresh and new, I used the towel trick, which basically gave me 1-4 hours of playtime before it froze. But by then they were already well past me.

PS3 may be more expensive and have fewer games right now, but you get what you pay for.

[mykevermin]

Now as someone who liked my 360 and Halo and the games I played on it. I'm going all PS3 and only buying exclusives for my 360 now. I'll even wait for timed exclusives.

Why? Because my 360 all but died 1 day before Halo 3's release. The system went untouched for months, then I show my friend a demo and poof. Every game freezes in 3D scenes after 5-30 minutes, or at even more random intervals or events. It would have a ear shattering screeching noise over the speakers and overlay the frozen screen with block pixel noise. In desperation to join up with my friends in campaign co-op while it was still fresh and new, I used the towel trick, which basically gave me 1-4 hours of playtime before it froze. But by then they were already well past me.

PS3 may be more expensive and have fewer games right now, but you get what you pay for.

I hope you plan on calling MS, because your console is showing symptoms of "I'm gonna die soon" syndrome. It's what happened to mine back in April.

[propeller_head]

In all these discussions of which has the better games, price, etc. I would think 'works' would be a pretty big factor.

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/14663/Halo-3-Disc-Read-Error-Driving-Gamers-Mad-UPDATED-/ the same thing happened w/ early copies of gears. i think it has to do w/ when they pump out copies extremely fast (81 copies were being made every second once production ramped to max). most people, new discs fixed this for. some it looks like maybe the HDD ended up w/ corrupted data off of a scratched disc. if thats the case a patch should be able to scan/isolate/repair the sectors. i seriously doubt it physically damaged 360s. only thing i could think is if ppl w/ old 360s that hadnt played them in a while and all of a sudden played halo 10 hours straight got the RRoD by coincidence. 2.5 million sold in 24 hours, that's to be expected.