Max Payne 2 (PS2) - $10?

[video_gamer324]

I haven't actually tried this, and it might not work, so please don't get mad at me if you try it and it doesn't work for you:

At Best Buy, they sell Max Payne 2 for $50, and the "ultimate" codes disc for $10. The label for the game reads "Max Payne 2," but the label for the codes reads "Max Payne 2 - The Fall of Max Payne" - the titles both suggest the same thing, even though the prices and UPC's are different. (For other code discs, the label's title clearly indicates that the disc has codes only.) Perhaps, assuming the cashier isn't too knowledgeable about video games, you can bring the label when you purchase the game, show the price difference, and receive the lower price.

[organicow]

i thought this was cheapassgamer.com, not unethicalthiefgamer.com....
must be my mistake...

[grayghost81]

Barring the fact that this is totally illegal its a great idea.

[brodeus]

I don't think that would work. They would scan the barcode of the game, and it would ring up $49.99 (or whatever the price may be). The item price isn't solely based on the price tag by what the register says instead (correct me if I'm wrong).

-Steve

[video_gamer324]

I don't know that this is "totally illegal," but maybe immoral... then again, some people claim the Wal-Mart swap is immoral, that Target rainchecks are immoral, etc. Notice that I neither tried to take advantage of this nor encouraged anyone to try it. I just happened to see it, and other CAG's can ignore it or look into it further. I don't care.

brodeus: If an item has a price tag that is lower than what the item rings up as, the cashier must honor the lower price. I have no clue whether this situation would follow suit, so I can't speculate.

[wakeandbake]

ha

[thatstoobad]

in theory, you could make a big stink about being confused about pricing or something of that nature and maybe, maybe, maybe have it work, but i wouldn't hold my breath.

brodeus: If an item has a price tag that is lower than what the item rings up as, the cashier must honor the lower price. I have no clue whether this situation would follow suit, so I can't speculate.

i don't see this could be accurate, since price tag switching is pretty common practice.

[suprsaiyanMAX]

I don't think it would work...With a price difference of $40 dollars chances are the clerk would call a manger or someone working in media. If they don't then they are not following protocol and should probably be let go, and you've gotten off with something of deal, but an illegal deal.

[DigitalSpace]

:shock: That's just wrong.

[lurknomore]

Come on....that's stealing. Why not just walk out with it?

[CD]

vg324, for someone who has about 500 posts here and has been a member since September, I'm suprised you'd even suggest doing something like this.

[MrBrando]

Also, with BB horriblie customer service they would never give it to you for that price, even if you made a big stink about it.

[buddy the puppy]

It's not friggin ILLEGAL OR IMMORAL!

It's the store not covering all loopholes! Anyway if a game comes out priced at $49.99 and it drops to $39.99, 29.99, 19.99 etc in a matter of months...WHO'S THE THIEF??? Do you think they could actually put them on sale for those prices IF THEY WERE LOSING MONEY??

No my fellow CAG'ers, THEY ARE THE IMMORAL THIEVES WITH PRODUCTS THAT ARE OVERPRICED FROM THE GET!

If the "MAN" was being fair and just in his pricing practices THIS SITE WOULDN'T EVEN NEED TO EXIST and all our little tricks, and backdoors and schemes to deals wouldn't be necessary.

Just like downloading music...if it wasn't for that cd's would STILL COME OUT OVERPRICED AT $14.99, 15.99 and even $17.99. Now most are released at $10!! If it wasn't for downloading... the big bloodsucking honchos at record companies would still be gouging us for our music.
Do you think they now release them at $10 to lose money??? NO IT SHOULDA BEEN PRICED LOWER YEARS AGO AND THEY KNOW IT!
The same with games!

"I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!" :lol:

Remember folks "Necessity is the mother of invention."
We need our games at a price that is more fair to us the consumer...so we find ways to get it!

I say anything other than putting it in your coat and walking out with it is fair game. Stealing is wrong...ingenuity (Inventive skill or imagination; cleverness. ) is right!!

This of course is all IMO.

[DigitalSpace]

buddy the puppy, you have a point. But while necessity is the mother of invention, there's no way that doing what this thread suggests is a way to send a message.

[LV-426RS]

We need our games at a price that is more fair to us the consumer...so we find ways to get it!


IMO, I rarely pay 50 for a game anymore, but when I do I find it justifiable. Reason: where else can I spend $50 for something that will give me hours of enjoyment? I can go to a casino, spend way more than $50, have a blast and maybe have something to show for it. I can go to a club spend $50 and have nothing to show for once all is done. I can go to a movie, spend $30, and have nothing to show for it. With my games I'm willing to pay for the said price or wait for it to come down, and IMO the prices are fair.

[jshorr]

This definately is not illegal unless you change the price tag yourself. It's not illegal to ask them to match prices with something else you think or claim is the same thing, they always have the right to examine it and decide. Actually switching price tags on items is something that happens all the time and is absoloutely illegal. Is the Max Payne thing immoral? Again, that's really up to the individual. In that cause you're actually trying to force a price mistake....if that's immoral, is taking advantage of a regular price mistake online or in store, when you know the store did not intend to sell it for that price, immoral? Everyone draws the line somewhere, it's not for me to judge what is right and wrong.

As far as a cashier having to honor a lower price tag....says who? Stores will do whatever the hell they want for the most part and if you don't like it you can shop elsewhere. A lot of them may give you the lower price in such a scenario, but there's no way you'd get a $50 game for $10. Even if real tags for an item got printed out wrong, maybe the first person would get it and then all stock would be pulled off the shelves so they can fix it. Cashiers are out to protect themslves and I agree with the other poster, for someone asking for a huge price drop they definately would ask a manager. It wouldn't take a genius to figure out that the codes and the game were different items.



I don't know that this is "totally illegal," but maybe immoral... then again, some people claim the Wal-Mart swap is immoral, that Target rainchecks are immoral, etc. Notice that I neither tried to take advantage of this nor encouraged anyone to try it. I just happened to see it, and other CAG's can ignore it or look into it further. I don't care.

brodeus: If an item has a price tag that is lower than what the item rings up as, the cashier must honor the lower price. I have no clue whether this situation would follow suit, so I can't speculate.

[daphatty]

Bottom line, it's fraud. CheapyD closed this other thread for similar content (and not to mention the badgering.)

http://cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8325

[Masterkyo]

I know most store they NEVER honor they Misprint items beside i already got Max Payne (XBOX) so i don't care about PS2 version ;)

If CAG tried it & it work (BB honor) is legal deal & is not stealing (at least you paid for the item you buy).

How about Bestbuy Selling Japanese anime & Martial Movies OVER the MSRP $9.99 & MSRP $29.99 but they sell it for $10.99 & $33.99 instead ???

That's Ripping off & Illegal for overpricing but they still doing that.

[guessed]

I know most store they NEVER honor they Misprint items beside i already got Max Payne (XBOX) so i don't care about PS2 version ;)

If CAG tried it & it work (BB honor) is legal deal & is not stealing (at least you paid for the item you buy).

How about Bestbuy Selling Japanese anime & Martial Movies OVER the MSRP $9.99 & MSRP $29.99 but they sell it for $10.99 & $33.99 instead ???

That's Ripping off & Illegal for overpricing but they still doing that.

MSRP is Manufacturer's SUGGESTED Retail Price, SUGGESTED, not MANDATED. They can charge as much as they want, and if it is an item not easily found elsewhere, they may even get it.

Regarding the shelf tags for Max Payne 2, if one did not know that the $10 tag referred to the codes disc, then trying to get them to honor the $10 price for the game would be morally acceptable (and highly unlikely). But everyone in this thread does know it is referring to a different item, and it would, therefore, be fraud.

[ElwoodCuse]

This absolutely illegal. You are lying, you know it's a lie, and you intend for Best Buy to believe it. The end result is they are cheated out of money. That's pretty much the definition of fraud.

[ElwoodCuse]

Also, this is just the Pennsylvania statute but it's more or less the same everywhere:

§ 3929. Retail theft.
(a) Offense defined.--A person is guilty of a retail theft if he:

alters, transfers or removes any label, price tag marking, indicative of value or any other markings which aid in determining value affixed to any merchandise displayed, held, stored or offered for sale in a store or other retail mercantile establishment and attempts to purchase such merchandise personally or in consort with another at less than the full retail value with the intention of depriving the merchant of the full retail value of such merchandise;

[mrnomis27]

Obviously the stores do not go by the description on the respective packaging. In cases of a dispute, an employee checks the tags on the shelves and matches them up with the UPC. This "deal" will never work.

[suprsaiyanMAX]

How about Bestbuy Selling Japanese anime & Martial Movies OVER the MSRP $9.99 & MSRP $29.99 but they sell it for $10.99 & $33.99 instead ???

That's Ripping off & Illegal for overpricing but they still doing that.

I can't believe I'm about to defend the place I hated so much when I worked there. Yeah ok so they overcharge you by 2 or 3 dollars....Ever notice how Best Buy is the only large store retail chain to even carry a large stock of anime and martial arts films, they can charge that much because there is little competetion from the rest of their market. The MSRP is high to begin with....those production and publishing companies make a hell of alot more cash than BB does. So, if you are gonna blame those prices on someone blame them. Also, what about all the things that they sell for way less than the MSRP. When a movie first comes out on DVD they are even eating the cost by a few dollars and selling it for 15 or 16....This is to get you to come in and buy other stuff in the store.

The point I'm trying to make is this one....price should come from competetion and not shady immoral/illegal acts..

[Mr_hockey66]

somebody mentioned that the games are 49.99 and thats unfair. NOpe it dosn't cost that much to make this game but PEOPLE WILL PAY THAT PRICE! If you don't want games to be 49.99 don't buy thme at that price tell your friends to stop buying them and when the compines see they are not making any money at these rates they will lowwer them. But people pay that price so they will charge it! Same with Jeans and shoes. Thats why I found this site! Cause I anit goina pay that damn price! I'll get it in a few months wwen its 20 I feel thats a resianble price for a game. YOu don't see movies charging 40 cause noone would pay that. Its because the games are bought by young male teens with nothing else to spend thier money on besides their videogames and their cars. They are willing to pay 49.99 for a game so the companies will contuine to charge it!

[waxHead]

worst-case scenario:

you lie badly when you're questioned and they call the cops. it's not worth it. wait for a legitimate price drop, either at BB or somewhere else.

not like there's a shortage of games to be found here :roll:

[Yeahman]

Stores do not make a huge profit off of each game. The cost to the store of a fifty dollar game is $40 or so dollars depending on manf/Game.

It's gotten more and more expensive to make games. Don't get me wrong plenty of money is being made especially when a game like Madden sells like it does, but stores do not make money hand over fist like some people seem to think they do. Heck at Best Buy the Gamer Gift Card seriously reduces thier profit margin.

I'm not willing to pay $40 - $50 for most games, so if Target wants to mark down Ape Escape 2 to $4.98 then cool, and I'm glad CAG is here to let me know about it.

Blatantly ripping off a store is a different story. It hurts employees not just stock holders, believe me I know

[wubb]

I really don't see a worst case scenario of them calling the cops. Maybe if you are a REALLY bad liar and also REALLY pushy about them honoring their 'mistake' even when they get to the bottom of the mixup. Anyone with a lick of sense trying this will just say 'Oh, haha, I thought this was for the game not a code disc, doh!' When Best Buy runs a shelf check.

I would say it is immoral to try this if you know the tag is really for a different item. But just a few weeks ago I got an item at the supermarket for half price because they put item x over a sale price tag for item y. In that case I didn't notice it was a different item until the cashier walked back with me to look. (Market was pretty empty) And when I asked if they would honor that price even with the mistake, they did. I guess in my case they did have the wrong item over the price tag, I didn't take an item from somewhere else and claim I thought it went with a tag elsewhere...

[eldad9]

It's not friggin ILLEGAL OR IMMORAL!

It's the store not covering all loopholes! Anyway if a game comes out priced at $49.99 and it drops to $39.99, 29.99, 19.99 etc in a matter of months...WHO'S THE THIEF??? Do you think they could actually put them on sale for those prices IF THEY WERE LOSING MONEY??

No my fellow CAG'ers, THEY ARE THE IMMORAL THIEVES WITH PRODUCTS THAT ARE OVERPRICED FROM THE GET!

If the "MAN" was being fair and just in his pricing practices THIS SITE WOULDN'T EVEN NEED TO EXIST and all our little tricks, and backdoors and schemes to deals wouldn't be necessary.

Just like downloading music...if it wasn't for that cd's would STILL COME OUT OVERPRICED AT $14.99, 15.99 and even $17.99. Now most are released at $10!! If it wasn't for downloading... the big bloodsucking honchos at record companies would still be gouging us for our music.
Do you think they now release them at $10 to lose money??? NO IT SHOULDA BEEN PRICED LOWER YEARS AGO AND THEY KNOW IT!
The same with games!

"I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!" :lol:

Remember folks "Necessity is the mother of invention."
We need our games at a price that is more fair to us the consumer...so we find ways to get it!


What a complete jerk + moron rolled into one.

Let me explain how capitalism works. Somebody offers a product at a certain price. If you think it's worth it, you buy it, otherwise you don't.

You do NOT have a god-given right to purchase any product at a price you feel is fair.

You CAN offer to buy products at lower prices, but of course this only works with sellers willing to negotiate.

A thief is somebody who takes your stuff, not somebody who offers you products at prices too high for you to buy. See how it works?

[organicow]

i can't believe we're even debating this. i understand the moral "grey area" when it comes to the Wal Mart return scam, but that situation involves taking advantage of a loophole in store policy. In the case we're discussing here, we're talking about consumer fraud. it would be different if, say a BB employee accidentially mixed up the tags and you happened to see it. in that case, it would be a nifty find, and your lucky day. but if you were to change the tag yourself, you are deliberately cheating and therefore stealing.
= my two cents

and i'm done!

[video_gamer324]

I think too many of us here are throwing the word "fraud" around without a true understanding of its meaning. I found the following definition that gives a concise, clear explanation of fraud:

In the simplest terms, fraud occurs when someone knowingly lies to obtain benefit or advantage or to cause some benefit that is due to be denied. If there is no lie, there may be abuse but it is not fraud.

The situation could be considered abuse, but how is it fraud? Obviously, there are ways to make it fraud, but even if I know that the game should not cost $10, you could still pursue this without lying. Imagine the following situation:

You walk into BB and head to the games department. In the PS2 section, you see tons of copies of Max Payne 2 with a sign saying they are $50. Down a little way, however, you spot some code discs with a sign that reads: "Max Payne 2 - The Fall of Max Payne - $9.99." You're pretty sure that the sign refers to the code discs only, but it does not have any specific indication other than the barcode. This is not the first time you've seen a barcode on the game that differs from the store's printed barcode, so you bring the sign and a copy of the game to the check-out line. It's your turn, and you hand the cashier your game to ring up. It rings up at $50, but you show the sign you brought and point out that the sign says $10. The cashier says the sign refers to the code disc, but you point out that the title on the sign does not indicate that. The cashier then points out the different barcodes, but you say that you know that a store's barcodes sometimes differ from the product's barcode.

You have not lied or misrepresented the product, so it's not fraud. You pulled the sign from their store without altering it, and you showed that it does not explicitly say that it is not for the game itself. It's not like you peeled an ambiguous $10 sticker from another item and stuck it on the game.

I don't want to debate the "morality" of this because, as we've seen from other questionable topics, it is indeed a gray area, and a debate would not accomplish anything. Regardling legality, it is not illegal (unless you manage to turn it into fraud), but regarding honesty, you could classify it as dishonest, but guess what... getting a mismarked game is dishonest too! Stores can undercharge but not overcharge? If you were really honest, you would pay the true price of the item.

For those of you saying this "deal" won't work, because BB has the option of honoring the lower price or not, I'm not arguing with you. I apologize if it sounded like I said earlier that BB absolutely must give you the lower price whenever there is a mismark. Like I said earlier, I do not guarantee any outcome.

[Yeahman]

There was a sign over Max Payne 2 the game for $50

There was a sign over Max Payne 2 the code disc for $10.

Therefore when you bring Max Payne 2 the game up to the counter you know darn well the game is $50.

The stickers' text was misprinted? So what. The correct price was clear on each product. Trying to get the $50 dollar product for $10 is just being a jerk regardless of rather it is immoral, fraud, etc.

Case Closed

Yeahman has spoken.

:wink:

[Indiana]

in theory, you could make a big stink about being confused about pricing or something of that nature and maybe, maybe, maybe have it work, but i wouldn't hold my breath.

brodeus: If an item has a price tag that is lower than what the item rings up as, the cashier must honor the lower price. I have no clue whether this situation would follow suit, so I can't speculate.

i don't see this could be accurate, since price tag switching is pretty common practice.

Actually that is a law in Michigan. I'm not sure about other states.

[insano]

i've heard of being a cheap ass but this takes the cake. all in attempt to be a "cheapassgamer" this guy should be rewarded for the stupidest, most ridiculous, cheapass post ive ever read.

[Masterkyo]

ahaahhahahah :)

[Mustang O-Line 75]

"I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!" :lol:


I love UHF.

But seriously, don't do this. It is just a bad idea. Just wait until it goes down in price at blockbuster. They will have like millions of copies in a couple of months because of the guaranteed rental business.

[waxHead]

as much as I may find some of the replies in here rather amusing, would someone please lock this thread? this is a very bad idea and doesn't belong on this message board.

[video_gamer324]

I apologize to all of you who have had to watch this thread degenerate into a morality/legality argument. I visited a BB, saw the ambiguous sign, and thought it might be an invitation to get screwed. Several of you, though, assured me that BB would be able to find all kinds of excuses to use, and I thank you for keeping it clean, concise, and helpful. Of course the supposed "deal" is not pure, and I did not and am not promoting it, hence the question mark in the thread title. In fact, I have never tried this, and I am not suggesting that you try this, so to you noobs who are letting loose with the name-calling, chill. As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing more that needs to be discussed here - we've already established that BB will not honor the lower price, and we have better things to do than try and get MP2 for $10. If we just leave things at that, this thread can just die without needing to be locked.

[paz9x]

buncha bandwagon jumping crybabies, "its immoral, waa waa"
I personally wouldnt do it because i think its idiotic.
I see loads of posts on things very similar to this, like everybody trying to jump on buying a game a webstore obviously miss-priced (ff cc) and dont hear any bs crybabies flooding those threads.
And really who gives a crap. Have you run a red light? Im sure thats acceptable law breaking. I mean you could cause loss of life, but thats not as important as immorally trying to lower the price of video games.
I bet you same crybabies never cheated on a quiz in school either did ya.
If you dont like what someone else is doing keep your whining posts to yourself, or call Dr. Laura or somebody who cares.

[terrycloth]

While for the most part a store like this has a large margin of error when it comes to inventory so shit like this doesnt hurt inidivuals unless theyre not doing there jobs properly like labeling products wrong.

90% that u missed something on the sign so u cant really use that as proof. look for small print on both sides for "code disc only" or what have you.

also as brought up tage swapping is common so if the clerk notices something is off he will bring it to the attention of the manager. Now chance are they will take you back to the game shelf and check it or point the sign out now if all the Max payne 2 titles were labeled wrong chances are they will give it to u for that price bc itstheyre fault, but if not (in NYS anyway) the cops can be called and can get u for pretty much shop lifting.

Personally i would reccomend it bc why bother take the chance of getting caught. Now if it was mis price i wouldnt feel bad and i would jump on the deal.

[DigitalSpace]

Of course the supposed "deal" is not pure, and I did not and am not promoting it, hence the question mark in the thread title.

If you didn't intend to promote it, you shouldn't have posted this thread in the first place.