CAGcast #92: Hitting the Wall

[CheapyD]

CheapyD explains why he couldn't take any more than 6 hours of Folklore and why Skate is on his playlist. Wombat grunts out his impressions of Zelda Phantom Hourglass. We also answer your CAGbag (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71382) questions, discuss the latest gaming and shopping news, and so much more!

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Intro music: Tetris & Dr. Mario (SNES)

Halo DS plot thickened by video footage (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/02/halo-ds-plot-thickened-by-video-footage/)
Wii can't meet demand for holiday season, says Reggie
(http://feeds.joystiq.com/%7Er/weblogsinc/joystiq/%7E3/163714232/)Say Reggie's Name Correctly
(http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2007/10/01/nintendos-reggie-fils-aime-tells-us-how-to-say-his-name/)Wiimote jackets to cost Nintendo $18M (http://feeds.joystiq.com/%7Er/weblogsinc/joystiq/%7E3/164280614/)

Rumor: Sony's October 12 'big bang'
Skubar: Retailers Listing 40GB PS3, Backward Compatability Nixed (http://feeds.gawker.com/%7Er/kotaku/full/%7E3/164397128/retailers-listing-40gb-ps3-backward-compatability-nixed-306294.php)
Pachterwatch: LittleBigPlanet = PS3 Sales in Japan (http://feeds.gawker.com/%7Er/kotaku/full/%7E3/164275440/littlebigplanet--ps3-sales-in-japan-306085.php)

Rumor: Bungie, Microsoft Tight-Lipped On Separation Rumors
Bungie Buying Studio Back from Microsoft? (http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/news/?id=17646)
Xbox 360 Arcade console listed on retail sites for Oct. 23
(http://feeds.joystiq.com/%7Er/weblogsinc/joystiq/%7E3/164400904/)Cooler: Xbox 360 Falcon Chips Have Landed! (http://feeds.gawker.com/%7Er/kotaku/full/%7E3/163619548/xbox-360-falcon-chips-have-landed-305370.php)

Bundled no longer: Onyx and Crimson DS set free (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/02/bundled-no-longer-oynx-and-crimson-ds-set-free/)

Rock Band (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Band_%28video_game%29#Soundtrack) vs GH III (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/03/aerosmith-cream-disturbed-many-others-added-to-guitar-hero-ii/) Song List

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Outro: Atari Home Computer (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/yvideogames?cl=2970691)


　

[LarryGe]

Yes, new CAGcast to fill the emptiness in my heart left by the shipwrecks...

Nice surprise at 1:48 in the morning, now I won't be able to sleep for the next hour and a half, can't be good for the presentation I have to give tommorow


Woah, Nice Mrs. Cheapy guest role, Nice to hear a third person again

[E*Master]

I too am dissapointed by the abscence of the ships this week but Wombat n cheapy will save the day. BTW I thought Zelda PHG was the most boring game since Mario is missing....

[chakan]

I think PHG is great, of course, but I wonder what Wombat has to say about this exclusively stylus controlled adventure.

[T3kN]

YES!!! I was hoping you were going to post the cagcast and not just the GameQuestDirects deals.
Now I have something more to listen to for the drive down to LA for NewEggLanFest!!!
Thank you cheapy.

[nesfan8222]

horray a reason to get excited about going to work tomorrow

[JimmieMac]

The real magic happens at 55:50, everything else is just filler.

[zewone]

Playing Halo with zewone is indeed fun.

[kPod]

Here's a question for you. With the security armour, and the terminals now available in Halo 3, who will have the rights to those, and ergo, will Bungie be able to produce another Marathon game?

EDIT: Of course, this is under the assumption of the rumour being true. xD

[MORT A POTTY]

c'mon you said you'd re-post the best buy gamestopspot whatever ad parody again :p

[fatbeer]

Cheapyd didn't you read an old article from Bestbuy hatred towards "devil customers", this is reason why they pull out your affiliated program.

for more detail click on link and read the full article.
http://digg.com/tech_news/Best_Buy_is_fighting_against_devil_shoppers_or_20_ of_their_customers

[CheapyD]

c'mon you said you'd re-post the best buy gamestopspot whatever ad parody again :p
http://cheapassgamer.com/cheapyd/bbgamespotx.html

[gunm]

Cool. Tagged and all that.

I didn't like the Folklore demo. I kinda knew right away that the game wasn't for me, which means the demo served it's purpose. Conversely, I did enjoy the Eternal Sonata demo and lo and behold I am enjoying the full game. Demos rule. :p

[kPod]

Sounds like CAG was kicked out under the 'Lowest price guarantee' blacklisting tickbox. After all, the whole reason this site existed was to share deals.

[TheH2s]

Speaking of tv shows, people have to start watching "The Big Bang Theory" on CBS at 8:30. It is really hilarious. Any nerd must watch this show!

[youruglyclone]

E for all...isn't that in LA? so technically isn't the contest only worth while for West Coast Cags?

[Averna]

Wombats comment about porno on bluray raises an interesting point.

The war between VHS and Beta was actually won because the porn industry chose the VHS as their media of choice. So fingers crossed for some sweaty flesh in 1080P!

Long live Bluray

[youruglyclone]

Wombats comment about porno on bluray raises an interesting point.

The war between VHS and Beta was actually won because the porn industry chose the VHS as their media of choice. So fingers crossed for some sweaty flesh in 1080P!

Long live Bluray

hi def isn't the best thing for porn. do you really need to see every skin imperfections/blemish of your favorite porn star?

[Averna]

hi def isn't the best thing for porn. do you really need to see every skin imperfections/blemish of your favorite porn star?

Crappy dvd quality is almost too much now days.

[InuFaye]

hi def isn't the best thing for porn. do you really need to see every skin imperfections/blemish of your favorite porn star?

O Yes I do, I do indeed. Maybe Hi-Def will push porn studios to create better looking stars? Who knows.

Cheapy, After reading around It seems like you could have played folklore wrong. Reading on GAF it seems like you can switch between the characters after every level. So thus not having a 6 hour repeat.

You should try this and let us know if that is true.

[HooHaa]

I listened to the show today while in my University's library and got some odd looks when I laughed at Wombat's Link impressions. VERY FUNNY! Those little impressions are now my error sound for windows. Great show.

[KingBroly]

I think the PS3 not being backwards compatable at all is bogus. Software backwards compatability isn't something that can be turned off. It's something that comes in firmware upgrades for later models from now on. So, I don't think it's even possible.

Since Wombat is moving into a new house soon, does that mean Wombat will make a House unlocking video soon to counter Cheapy's PS3 unboxing video? Although not necessarily gaming, it would be...interesting to say the least.

[Jewelz23]

nice wombat, how is the LIRR these days?

Congrats on the house purchase in massapequa

[xrayzwei]

Another great show, thanks guys

[aerotive]

Wombats comment about porno on bluray raises an interesting point.

The war between VHS and Beta was actually won because the porn industry chose the VHS as their media of choice. So fingers crossed for some sweaty flesh in 1080P!

Long live Bluray
VHS winning had more to do with longer recording times and cheaper devices.

[bluto20]

so when is the next LIVE Cagcast on stickam gonna be?

[LiK]

congrats to Wombat on the new home!

btw Cheapy, that gay manga is spelled yaoi. i knew some girls who were really into it. >.<

[kPod]

I think the PS3 not being backwards compatable at all is bogus. Software backwards compatability isn't something that can be turned off. It's something that comes in firmware upgrades for later models from now on. So, I don't think it's even possible.

Since Wombat is moving into a new house soon, does that mean Wombat will make a House unlocking video soon to counter Cheapy's PS3 unboxing video? Although not necessarily gaming, it would be...interesting to say the least.NO backwards compatability is bogus. Entirely. There is no way that Sony would jack their largest potential audience on playing PS2 and PSx games. Although, I think the 'no backward compatability' refers to the PS3s being EMOTIONless, and unable to play ALL PS2 and PSx games (because the software updates are for a few games each week).

And I highly doubt they would create a special set of updates for people getting jacked for backwards compatability.

[LiK]

btw Cheapy, thanks for the Folklore review with Mrs. Cheapy, i'm gonna wait for more reviews before i decide if i'll get it. this is the first time i heard Mrs. Cheapy's voice so that was cool. ^^

[linkpwns]

Yaoi is a form of hardcore, gay manga, yes. Many a times they are based upon anime series. I know this because more of my female friends are very into that kind of crap. Of course, I found it quite disgusting.

Just some info for ya!

[GLOCKGLOCK]

Great show this week Cheapy & Wombat! Wombat Congrats on the house.

Agree with you on there being waaay too many SKU's for each console. This is getting out of hand. The 360's tiered price drop created new price breaks going from Core 300/Premium 400/Elite 480 to 280/350/450. By not cutting $50 off straight across all sku's they push people to the lower priced models and hope to sell $180 HD's. Now some have HDMI, some have the Falcon, this is really a nightmare for consumers.

Sony seems to have no idea what they are doing with their iterations, different HD capacity (both larger and smaller), no backward compatibility, ugh. What a cluster Fuck.

[Tybee]

Agree with you on there being waaay too many SKU's for each console. This is getting out of hand. The 360's tiered price drop created new price breaks going from Core 300/Premium 400/Elite 480 to 280/350/450. By not cutting $50 off straight across all sku's they push people to the lower priced models and hope to sell $180 HD's. Now some have HDMI, some have the Falcon, this is really a nightmare for consumers.

Sony seems to have no idea what they are doing with their iterations, different HD capacity (both larger and smaller), no backward compatibility, ugh. What a cluster Fuck.
And one Wii laughing all the way to the bank... ;)

Great show, fellas. I really enjoyed Wombat's Phantom Hourglass impressions. I was already enjoying the game, but his enthusiasm just made me that much more excited to play more tonight. And yes, it is a shame the way Nintendo treated Chibi Robo.

I find it amusing that the Mountain Dew Game Fuel commercials imply that, while playing Halo, you are likely to hear expressions of dismay in a myriad of International languages, when in reality, all you're likely to hear is a 13 year old detailing for you the size, appearance, and sensation of occupying your mother's genitals.

But I feel the same way about loudmouthed Halo devotees as I do about the guys who drive vanity trucks, use laser pointers at movie theaters, or call into sports talk radio shows: Seems like an awful lot of fuss just to compensate for a small penis.

[opportunity777]

hi def isn't the best thing for porn. do you really need to see every skin imperfections/blemish of your favorite porn star?

Yeah, some of those rashes they get are already too detailed. I don't really want to see the picture any clearer than it already is right now. Also, I don't see the need for it. How many multi-disc porns are there? Not many by my count.

I have seen some HD-DVD porn for sale too. So, there's really no telling what is going to happen within the porn industry.

It intrigues me to see Bluray fail because I want to see what Sony would do next. At this juncture, I don't care for either format.

[CheapyD]

Cheapy, After reading around It seems like you could have played folklore wrong. Reading on GAF it seems like you can switch between the characters after every level. So thus not having a 6 hour repeat.
It's still a 6 hour repeat, even if you cut into 1 hour chunks.

[KingBroly]

Cheapy,

If you're worried about paying those extra monies on them, you could always turn on your Japanese Wii (IF you still have it; I don't know) and download them at their regular prices. Super Mario Bros. the Lost Levels (Real SMB 2) is pretty much a must purchase no matter the cost or difficulty. Sin & Punishment is a little more hairy, but it's solid from what I hear.

Besides, they're basically new titles to most of us and we're willing to pay for it.

[Milkyman]

I think the PS3 not being backwards compatable at all is bogus. Software backwards compatability isn't something that can be turned off. It's something that comes in firmware upgrades for later models from now on. So, I don't think it's even possible.

Since Wombat is moving into a new house soon, does that mean Wombat will make a House unlocking video soon to counter Cheapy's PS3 unboxing video? Although not necessarily gaming, it would be...interesting to say the least.

well, even the 80 gig models don't do pure software compatibility, they still have the ps2 graphics chip in there and that gets you what something like 75% if they take that out too i don't know what that'll do to their back compatibility.

[die138]

I wish I could hear this episode.....for some reason when I try to download the file, it only downloads the intro. Any help? thanks!

[strdr4]

Just hearing the part about Folklore part really turned me off. That's even worse than playing for 6 hours without saving then dying. I really like strategic-card-game-like action games, but just the fact mentioned in the CagCast alone is a bust for me.

[DarkNessBear]

Anyone else think Cheapy might trade his baby for some Robocop memorabilia?

[NamPaehc]

I wonder if the Jericho demo was region locked because of the violance and them not wanting to worry about going through Japan's review process?

>>>Not done with show yet, but I'll say I really like it so far.

[io]

I listened to the show today while in my University's and got some odd looks when I laughed at Wombats Link impressions. VERY FUNNY! Those little impressions are now my error sound for windos. Great show.

I'm listening to this thing at home at 1:30 AM and I busted out laughing at Wombat's impressions - first time ever in 20-30 CAGcasts. :applause:

Congrats in advance on the baby, Cheapy. We just found out that my wife may be induced early (due to the potential size of the baby and the fact that our last one was 11 lbs ;)). So we'll probably be having ours in the very beginning of Nov. In a few years they can play Halo 6 against each other ;).

[PenguinoMF]

Once again another great show.

I have a comment about Wombat's comment comparing DS versions with 360 versions. You say it the same concept, that people won't be able to tell the difference between versions. But with the DS people won't have to know the difference between DS and DS Lite because the DS fat is no longer available. This means there is nothing to confuse them. Where as the 360 has 4 different systems (core, premium, Halo edition, elite) and not to mention upcoming Best Buy bundles. I think buying a 360 is a much confusing purchase compared to a DS (where you have to decide what color to get).

[JadedJedi]

Hey Wombat, Even though your humor is the main reason I listen to the show every week, Whatever you do, don't quit your day job to be a vocalist. Stick to the guitar.

[Levizk]

Cheapy,

If you're worried about paying those extra monies on them, you could always turn on your Japanese Wii (IF you still have it; I don't know) and download them at their regular prices. Super Mario Bros. the Lost Levels (Real SMB 2) is pretty much a must purchase no matter the cost or difficulty. Sin & Punishment is a little more hairy, but it's solid from what I hear.

Besides, they're basically new titles to most of us and we're willing to pay for it.

The thing I don't understand is, Super Mario Brothers: The Lost Levels has already seen a domestic release here in the US on the Super Nintendo game Mario All-Stars. I'm not sure why the game warrants an extra fee now, when many of us played and beat the game well over a decade ago.

[KingBroly]

The thing I don't understand is, Super Mario Brothers: The Lost Levels has already seen a domestic release here in the US on the Super Nintendo game Mario All-Stars. I'm not sure why the game warrants an extra fee now, when many of us played and beat the game well over a decade ago.

It has, but it hasn't. That version has prettier graphics and a more dynamic soundtrack, but that's about it. People have wanted the original for a long time, and now we do.

I've played it, but I've never beaten it because it's probably one of the top 25 most difficult games of all time.

[LiK]

It has, but it hasn't. That version has prettier graphics and a more dynamic soundtrack, but that's about it. People have wanted the original for a long time, and now we do.

I've played it, but I've never beaten it because it's probably one of the top 25 most difficult games of all time.

did you guys watch that japanese show gamecenter CX? the guy tried playing that and he never beat it. it looks friggin INSANE.

btw, i have the super mario all-stars for the SNES and i didn't bother playing it. not worth the hassle and frustration

[Wombat]

Although I can't say anything official yet, they would like me to start November 1st

[DarkNessBear]

Wow CheapyD your kid is going to be like me. Hes being born around the same day that I was.

[CloudANDTidus]

Although I can't say anything official yet, they would like me to start November 1st

Wouldn't that clash with National Recover from Halloween day? :S

[moleson]

CheapyD---You didn't seem overly excited when Wombat was talking about his house being under contract....You almost sounded a little annoyed? Jealous? This not a knock, just an observation.

At the beginning of the show there seemed to be little tension between the two of you....Then things returned to normal...I was relieved.

Also, BEST OF LUCK with the baby. I have two daughters (8 & 4) and you are in for a REALLY great time.

Wombat- I hope you get the website gig...you deserve it.

[SteveMcQ]

Good luck with the upcoming little one Cheapy and the possible new gig Wombat. Great show. Didn't notice the use of "there you go" in this one.

[LiK]

Although I can't say anything official yet, they would like me to start November 1st

hmmm, i see, if you need an assistant, let me know :)

[lordwow]

Great episode guys. The Wombat commentary on PH was gold.

[GLOCKGLOCK]

Although I can't say anything official yet, they would like me to start November 1st

Wombat, if everything works out would this be a full-time gig and allow you to quit your day-job?

[cdeener]

Well, if the Lost Levels is a Mario Bros. game then it was released in the US before. It was added to the Super Mario Bros. All Stars game on Super Nintendo. The game included Mario Bros. 1, 2, 3, and Lost Levels.

[catapult37]

Why doesn't anyone want to go to E For All? Hmm, maybe it's because all i've been reading about it is how many major game companies are not attending. Nintendo and EA, sure. But Microsoft won't be there, nor will Sony, Sega, Capcom, and many others.

[FriskyTanuki]

Is it just me or has Wombat announced a few games as the best game on the PS3? First, it was Oblivion, then I believe it was Warhawk, and now God of War II. Is Wombat saying GoWII is better than Oblivion? That would be quite a statement from Mr. O. I'll bet that Ratchet and Clank Future's the next game that Wombat will declare the "Best Game on the PS3."

Great show.

[ianoid]

As usual, an entertaining 'cast.

I have to complain about the sound quality. One of my pet peeves is lack of podcast production, and this podcast is usually exceptional. Latest episode was a little different. There was a bit of static when Cheapy talked louder or got excited or laughed louder, and Wombat was sort of faint at times. I can imagine it takes alot of time to produce these things, but this is the first time I've noticed this thing during the Cagcast. Hopefully you can produce this out in the future.

Keep up the good work. Jewboys.

ian (MOT)

[CheapyD]

As usual, an entertaining 'cast.

I have to complain about the sound quality. One of my pet peeves is lack of podcast production, and this podcast is usually exceptional. Latest episode was a little different. There was a bit of static when Cheapy talked louder or got excited or laughed louder, and Wombat was sort of faint at times. I can imagine it takes alot of time to produce these things, but this is the first time I've noticed this thing during the Cagcast. Hopefully you can produce this out in the future.

Keep up the good work. Jewboys.

ian (MOT) Yeah, I have the solution ready for next show...sorry about that.

[H.Cornerstone]

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/824/824614p2.html

This episodic structure works well for Folklore, and even gives players a natural stopping point to break up extended gaming sessions. The pacing of each specific chapter is also very carefully planned and balances the dialogue/narrative with the battle segments nicely. We must mention, though, that the alternating character dynamic may be problematic for some. Although it's always interesting to get the same story from differing perspectives, Ellen and Keats end up sharing a fair amount of expositive material, which can be tiring. More troublesome is the fact that both Ellen and Keats will traverse the exact same realms of the Netherworld in the same order, which means that you'll be seeing those realms a lot. While they do change Folk types and enemy patterns enough to make it tolerable, it can be disappointing at the end of a boss fight when you realize that you have to do the same realm over again (including beating that very boss a second time). The weight of this flaw truly depends on your tolerance for repetition and how much you enjoy a game that forces you to go back and try something again.

Cheapy, I think THE IGN review goes over the repeating thing a little more than you said, and states that it may be a problem to some.

And Wombat, you said a week ago that Warhawk was the best game on hte PS3, and now you say God of War II is, which one is it? ;-)

[McBacon]

Good show guys

I played Jericho up at Codemasters in London, flicking through the levels in the debug menu, its all caves, castles, dirt and mud... very BROWN :(

[DarkNessBear]

How'd Cheapy and Wombat stand the Jericho Demo?

It made me so dizzy. I never get dizzy in games but the game moved so fast and was sooo dark and felt so zoomed in and the colors oh duke the colors!

*passes out*

[BoomRocker]

Wombat...I couldn't stand Minish cap but I loved Wind Waker. Is Phantom Hour glass more Minnish or more Wind Waker?