View Full Version : Chaos Wars - featuring characters from Shadow Hearts - now GS exclusive
http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=281838
gamestop has a listing for it, it now has O3 as the publisher and show the release date as end of the month. For those that remembered, this game features characters from Shadow Hearts, Growlanser, Gungrave, Spectral Souls, and other Japan only games. Hopefully it wont get delay as it is pretty close to release and there is also nothing about it.
http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2006/1313.html
The following characters are set to make an appearance in the game:
Hyouma Kusaka (original character): The game's protagonist. His looks, tone and hobbies are all bad. He quickly gets bored by things that he can do easily.
Hayatemaru Mudouin (original character): The game's female led loves fighting games and is an excellent fencer. She also happens to be very rude.
Shizuku Tamaki (original character): Syizuku is Hyouma's classmate. He calls the latter his partner, but is not liked by Hyouma. Syizuku acts if he was from Kansai and loves comedy.
Leen (original character): The young girl is a Gate Master capable of opening warp gates.
Souji Okita (Shinsengumi Gunrouden, RED Entertainment)
Grave (Gungrave series, RED Entertainment)
Mika (Gungrave series, RED Entertainment)
Melvina (Growlanser series, Atlus)
Tippi (Growlanser series, Atlus)
Carmaine (Growlanser series, Atlus)
Takeru (Hametsu no Mars, Idea Factory)
Myuu (Spectral Force series, Idea Factory)
Hiro (Spectral Force series, Idea Factory)
Ur (Shadow Hearts series, Aruze)
Aris (Shadow Hearts series, Aruze)
Joachim (Shadow Hearts series, Aruze)
edit: now gamestop exclusive http://www.siliconera.com/2008/03/17/chaos-wars-to-be-gamestop-exclusive/
Dr Mario Kart
10-18-2007, 05:50 AM
Gamestop seems to be the only ones who ever made any mention of this happening at all. My understanding is that the original rumor or "confirmation" was from someone at Gamestop.
I dont believe there has been any official public announcement from O3, or any media source that can cite that this is actually happening without citing just the one original rumor. The O3 entertainment website seems to know nothing about it.
I dont think any other retailers have a listing for it either. Also, no box art and as far as I can tell, no ESRB rating.
Cao Cao
10-18-2007, 07:14 AM
When the date on GameStop is listed as the first or last Tuesday of the month, and there has been no official press releases confirming the date, chances are that the date is just a placeholder.
That's my rule.
uncle5555
10-21-2007, 05:33 AM
It will be cool if it does, I still have the advertisements from Famitsu on the HD somewhere, I just thought it was beyond cool to be able to play as Yuri and Grave in the same game.
Shame that Namco x Capcom couldn't show up as well, especially since this one is a multi company (characters) liscenced game.
Here's hoping. (crosses fingers)
mxpowar
02-25-2008, 05:21 PM
Is this game still coming out or what?
thelonepig
02-25-2008, 08:34 PM
Is this game still coming out or what?
Gamestop still shows it as a preorder, now for 3/18/08.
Derrick1979
03-07-2008, 10:57 AM
Gah now the date got pushed back again till 4/24/08 :roll:
looks like it is now a gamestop exclusive.
Derrick1979
03-19-2008, 10:54 AM
looks like it is now a gamestop exclusive.
Thats fine will me as long as the damn thing eventually comes out.
tangytangerine
03-19-2008, 03:30 PM
It has to be coming out soon, because the latest Game Informer has a ad in it promoting that it's a GS exclusive.
Masterkyo
03-19-2008, 06:56 PM
MSRP $40 is kinda expensive. I wonder it'll drop down $20 someday !!! :)
refusedchaos
03-19-2008, 07:48 PM
MSRP $40 is kinda expensive. I wonder it'll drop down $20 someday !!! :)
HOW!???!!?! MSRP for games now are $60. damn ur such a cheapass ( not in a cheapassgamer way but a ass gamer) . you said this about Ar Tonelico and the price jumped.
MSRP $40 is kinda expensive. I wonder it'll drop down $20 someday !!! :)
well thats about the price for most new PS2 games. Seeing how it will probably only get one shipment, there is a good chance it will be gone before a price dorp.
ihavenolife123
03-20-2008, 02:13 AM
how is one to get excited if one doesnt even know what this game is about?
Rollett
03-20-2008, 02:25 AM
This looks interesting... wish i could find more information on it.... Probably gonna pre-order it.
Dead of Knight
03-20-2008, 12:20 PM
This got a pretty low score from Famitsu, 26/40. They inflate their grades so much that generally anything below 30 is 95% guaranteed ass.
Derrick1979
03-20-2008, 12:25 PM
This got a pretty low score from Famitsu, 26/40. They inflate their grades so much that generally anything below 30 is 95% guaranteed ass.
Yeah but like all the great reviewing communities Famitsu even though they are very reputable in the scene is just as guilty now of jumping on big popular titles like the rest of them and nailing the coffin shut on no name company games. Even though the companies are much more popular in Japan then in the states it is still somewhat bias.
If anything get your own opinion buy purchasing it. I think I would rather spend my money taking a shot with a new SRPG franchise then say the same money on Baroque. Overall it is all up to you, but be warned this is not going to get a huge print so this one my be a pain to get if you do not pre-order.
ihavenolife123
03-21-2008, 12:16 AM
Yeah but like all the great reviewing communities Famitsu even though they are very reputable in the scene is just as guilty now of jumping on big popular titles like the rest of them and nailing the coffin shut on no name company games. Even though the companies are much more popular in Japan then in the states it is still somewhat bias.
If anything get your own opinion buy purchasing it. I think I would rather spend my money taking a shot with a new SRPG franchise then say the same money on Baroque. Overall it is all up to you, but be warned this is not going to get a huge print so this one my be a pain to get if you do not pre-order.
Pre-order, wait for the general opinion, cancel preorder or go with it.
VanillaGorilla
03-28-2008, 02:00 AM
Doesn't make sense to have Shadow Hearts characters in this game, it's a completely different art style and setting/tone. Not to mention battle system and whatnot. Maybe I am just no fun, but playing with Shadow Hearts characters without the Judgment Ring (the best RPG mechanic ever) just wouldn't feel right.
Rei no Otaku
03-28-2008, 03:29 AM
I'm going to preorder it, and then sign it out from work. So if it sucks I can just cancel the preorder...
thelonepig
03-31-2008, 09:39 PM
The updated Gamestop site now has the game listed for a 5/13/08 release.
refusedchaos
03-31-2008, 09:48 PM
The updated Gamestop site now has the game listed for a 5/13/08 release.
YES! more time to save up!!!!!!!
rainking187
03-31-2008, 10:32 PM
The updated Gamestop site now has the game listed for a 5/13/08 release.
LOL, before I even clicked to read this thread I was thinking "Say, isn't it time this game was pushed back again?"
endlessPRO
04-04-2008, 03:59 AM
will there be anything for pre orders? the game looks good.
uncle5555
04-22-2008, 07:45 PM
Just a quick heads up to all the CAG's getting this game I preordered it a few weeks ago and low and behold in my mail box today comes a offer for free 3 day shipping, so I was like well hell, I'd like to save a few bucks on it so I tried to alter it online, but to no avail.
So I called up their order line and had the rep go and alter it, so now I got free shipping and didn't have to cancel my original order to do that (I thought I might have to in the beginning).
Anyway here's the code I got on the flyer in the mail today if anyone is interested.
FREE3DAY (exactly like that)
Hope that helps, even if it's just a few bucks, cheers. :)
thelonepig
05-11-2008, 01:28 AM
And now it's been pushed to June.
refusedchaos
05-11-2008, 02:06 AM
And now it's been pushed to June.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! more time to get the money!!!:D:D:D
LeafPanda
05-11-2008, 04:31 AM
Can't wait for the release. If I hear its crap, I'll just keep it in it's original casing and let it sit until it becomes rare.
Also, i agree with refused, more time to get money =P
DesrucLous
05-19-2008, 08:57 PM
What is the gameplay suppose to be like? Is it like disgaea or FFT? Or is it something totally new and if so anyone got any insight on what it is like?
What is the gameplay suppose to be like? Is it like disgaea or FFT? Or is it something totally new and if so anyone got any insight on what it is like?
more like generation of chaos
thelonepig
05-19-2008, 09:53 PM
more like generation of chaos
What's the gameplay on GoC like? :D
fatbeer
05-20-2008, 06:29 AM
If Chaos Wars is anything similar to Generation Chaos, it plays like a board game with Dragon Force battle system. You get a group of soldiers and leaders duke it out for territory.
Although Generation Chaos seem like a promising game, it is loaded with lots of flaws. In Dragon Force you can group a set of commanders to your next destination. In Generation of Chaos you can't group your commanders instead they go solo. This can be very annoying when you have to fend off multiple leader with one person. Another annoying feature in Generation Chaos, troops are incredibly imbalanced. You will always pick the units with higher base stats and when progress pretty far in game, your troops does little to no damage towards the leader. In Dragon Force, all troops are useful with their own pros and cons. Troops also deal more damage towards leaders, so you have to think more strategically to fend off enemy AI. Another big flaw in Generation Chaos is very poor unit collision. Units have a tendency to walk to each other making it impossible to hit you or your enemy. Even missile units have no unit collision. Only the front lines can attack, while the rear does nothing.
I hope Chaos Wars will fix all these problems. Dragon Force is my top 10 favorite rpg because there is no game like it except this. With Working Design out of picture, I doubt Sega will re-release Dragon Force for ps2 with it's financial limbo. Another publisher like Atlus could retain the rights to publish it which is extremely low considering other remake niche game like Brigandine, Tales of Destiny 2 or Nights never came stateside.
What is the gameplay suppose to be like? Is it like disgaea or FFT? Or is it something totally new and if so anyone got any insight on what it is like?
Looking at IGN's preview, it's more like Phantom Brave/Makai Kingdom (with GoC-styled special attacks), as it's a gridless SRPG. IMO, that's a good thing, as Generation of Chaos was an interesting game, but wasn't that much "fun" to play. Battles were resolved by telling your army to move forward, and then you sat and waited for it to be over. You could not have the AI simulate the battle for you to save time, as you needed to manually use your general's special moves, which, for the above-average generals, would take out the entire opposing army.
In a way, it was like chess, as you needed to plan far ahead in order to do well in the least amount of time. It's just that, for GoC, there never a feeling of satisfaction for completing anything. You would just continue on until you had completed the game, and were done with it.
Thankfully, this thread is about Chaos Wars, and not Generation of Chaos. I'm looking forward to picking it up once it comes out, assuming it doesn't get delayed on June 2nd.
Yuri now goes by Uru, the original name in Japanese SH.
LeafPanda
05-27-2008, 07:58 PM
Chaos Wars shipping date has been moved to May 30th.
That means the street date would either be the 30th or the 31st.
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=67162
Derrick1979
05-29-2008, 11:03 AM
Chaos Wars shipping date has been moved to May 30th.
That means the street date would either be the 30th or the 31st.
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=67162
Just noticed this yesterday as well and it sucks because I forgot to pre-order and now im broke lol... hm wonder if I have anything I could trade in to make the money.
vherub
06-02-2008, 06:05 PM
is this out yet?
LeafPanda
06-02-2008, 07:53 PM
Yes I think it might be. Check wednesday because 6/3 was the original ship date.
Derrick1979
06-02-2008, 09:27 PM
im Banking on Tuesday more into Wednesday like the above guy said the original date was the 3rd and im thinking this whole 5/30 thing was a hiccup on the EB/GS site due to all the gamer days sale crap they were adding...
Hopefully this damn game comes out!
LeafPanda
06-02-2008, 09:34 PM
Also, it was back ordered, so maybe the copies was sent to people instead of stores, even though that is a bad theory.
Derrick1979
06-02-2008, 09:57 PM
When a new item comes out it always says back order when the pre-orders are shipping then it goes to "ships in 24 hours" online and usually the stores have it the next day... Thats what I observed over the last few years.
LeafPanda
06-02-2008, 10:13 PM
Oh okay thanks for the heads up derrick
squid
06-05-2008, 04:35 AM
I picked it up earlier today. I haven't gotten to play too much of it, but it seems pretty fun so far. Not sure if it's entirely worth it's price tag, but I'm still into it.
Anyone else get it? How are you enjoying it?
blackflag
06-05-2008, 09:48 AM
After hearing enough first impressions I decided to not pick up my preorder.
zephie
06-05-2008, 10:54 PM
After hearing enough first impressions I decided to not pick up my preorder.
Could be that the issue is moot, as some GS's are apparently selling preordered copies to walk-ins instead of holding them.
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=934027&topic=43499558
Hopefully, it's an isolated incident. Well, they did give priority to walk-ins when GTAIV hit, IIRC.
I picked it up earlier today. I haven't gotten to play too much of it, but it seems pretty fun so far. Not sure if it's entirely worth it's price tag, but I'm still into it.
Anyone else get it? How are you enjoying it?
I also picked it up today, along with an exercise ball. I hope the game turns out to be at least as fun as the exercise ball is.
Derrick1979
06-05-2008, 11:12 PM
I dont know if it is because I was playing Mana Khemia and a bunch of FPS but to me this game seems really slow...
LeafPanda
06-06-2008, 02:07 AM
Still need to get this. Only some in 2 locations near me. Might buy odin Sphere though. Don't know if its worth the price tag. Maybe after playing this, I'll have the inspiration to play the games where the crossover characters came from.
zephie
06-06-2008, 03:21 AM
Still need to get this. Only some in 2 locations near me. Might buy odin Sphere though. Don't know if its worth the price tag. Maybe after playing this, I'll have the inspiration to play the games where the crossover characters came from.
Sounds like a plan. Definitely pick up Odin Sphere. It's artistic design is worth the price of admission alone. The biggest thing holding it back is that the framerate gets ugly when there's a lot happening on screen. Still worth checking out though, if only to admire its aesthetics (not that it's not a fun game - it is).
Also, to my knowledge, the only games available in the US that feature the crossover characters from Chaos Wars are Gungrave: Overdose and the Shadow Hearts series. Gungrave:OD you can skip; but the Shadow Hearts games, of which there are three installments, are certainly worth a look.
Derrick1979
06-06-2008, 10:10 AM
Sounds like a plan. Definitely pick up Odin Sphere. It's artistic design is worth the price of admission alone. The biggest thing holding it back is that the framerate gets ugly when there's a lot happening on screen. Still worth checking out though, if only to admire its aesthetics (not that it's not a fun game - it is).
Also, to my knowledge, the only games available in the US that feature the crossover characters from Chaos Wars are Gungrave: Overdose and the Shadow Hearts series. Gungrave:OD you can skip; but the Shadow Hearts games, of which there are three installments, are certainly worth a look.
It contains chracters from Growlanser also and there might be some from the Spectral Souls they had on the PSP..
mxpowar
06-06-2008, 01:29 PM
Sounds like a plan. Definitely pick up Odin Sphere. It's artistic design is worth the price of admission alone. The biggest thing holding it back is that the framerate gets ugly when there's a lot happening on screen. Still worth checking out though, if only to admire its aesthetics (not that it's not a fun game - it is).
Also, to my knowledge, the only games available in the US that feature the crossover characters from Chaos Wars are Gungrave: Overdose and the Shadow Hearts series. Gungrave:OD you can skip; but the Shadow Hearts games, of which there are three installments, are certainly worth a look.
You're right about Gungrave: Overdose but the original Gungrave is also available on the PS2 and I LOVED that game. Very fun third-person shooter.
Dead of Knight
06-06-2008, 02:27 PM
This game has the worst voiceacting I've ever heard:
http://kotaku.com/5013753/this-jrpg-voice-acting-is-not-so-good
thelonepig
06-06-2008, 03:54 PM
This game has the worst voiceacting I've ever heard:
http://kotaku.com/5013753/this-jrpg-voice-acting-is-not-so-good
That just made my day. :lol: One less game to buy!
Rei no Otaku
06-06-2008, 03:59 PM
You can switch to the Japanese voice acting.
This game has the worst voiceacting I've ever heard:
http://kotaku.com/5013753/this-jrpg-voice-acting-is-not-so-good
At first, it wasn't so bad...compared to the poor effort they put into translating the game. Then, I heard the others speak. It sounds like they were put into a room, given the scripts to read for the first time, told to do a practice run, and then shown the door.
Between the battle system, voice acting, and translation, I have yet to hear anything positive about this game. Anyone have anything good to say about this game?
Dead of Knight
06-06-2008, 04:12 PM
You can switch to the Japanese voice acting.
Thank Christ.
lol according to gamefaqs it looks like the voice acting was done by relatives of the localization team.
thelonepig
06-06-2008, 10:17 PM
IGN review: http://ps2.ign.com/articles/880/880050p1.html
O~3 Entertainment brings us the crossover RPG that all six of you were begging for.
Presentation 7.0
Graphics 8.0
Sound 7.0
Gameplay 7.5
Lasting Appeal 7.0
Overall 7.5
LeafPanda
06-07-2008, 12:16 AM
I want to buy this, but I don't want to. Shall i wait for a price drop? Or is the rareness of this game true.
Dead of Knight
06-07-2008, 02:19 PM
IGN review: http://ps2.ign.com/articles/880/880050p1.html
O~3 Entertainment brings us the crossover RPG that all six of you were begging for.
Presentation 7.0
Graphics 8.0
Sound 7.0
Gameplay 7.5
Lasting Appeal 7.0
Overall 7.5
Sound 7.0? Did they even play the game? :rofl::rofl:
Don't have time to read the review now, will later though.
LeafPanda
06-07-2008, 05:12 PM
I'll wait for a price drop, or if I have lots of money to spend I'll get it.
Monsta Mack
06-08-2008, 10:58 PM
This game has the worst voiceacting I've ever heard:
http://kotaku.com/5013753/this-jrpg-voice-acting-is-not-so-good
Wow the monster voice acting made me LOL for 3 straight minutes.
fatbeer
06-09-2008, 02:12 AM
Anybody playing this game beside me? I think those bad acting clips scarred most people from buying this game. Before this game even came out I was expecting a bad storyline already. Any game that have brands from different companies into one game, have same story- jumping into another dimension. And when you factor crappy English dubs, localization, low budget and company not well know for making rpgs, you know voice acting will be bad. But I wasn't expecting this big of train wreak. There is little or no attempt on voice acting with no emotions.
At least the game play is pretty solid with game mechanics more similar to Makai Kingdom. But if I have choice to play between the two I rather play Makai Kingdom instead for better story. I could careless about 30+ playable character that I don't even know beside Shadow Hearts characters.
squid
06-09-2008, 02:47 AM
I'm still playing it. Sure, the English VA is brutal, but since you can change it, I don't care. It's game play is pretty solid. I'm not glued to it, but I don't regret it. My only real complaint is that it's too easy to keep my full attention.
fatbeer
06-10-2008, 03:02 AM
I agree. This game isn't as bad as it appears if you stick with English Subtitles. The game play is pretty solid since it combines elements from different rpgs with a different spin. Still game play isn't enough to carry this game to be totally glue on, you still need a decent story with some charismatic characters to develop an emotion connection to them. Some games are exception like Jump Ultimate Stars or Marvel vs Capcom that have same bs story, but the game play is so great it overshadows it.
LeafPanda
06-10-2008, 11:59 AM
http://kotaku.com/5014864/not-so-good-voice-acting-explained
Its the CEO's family.........
Definitely not buying this game.
eldergamer
06-10-2008, 02:21 PM
98 times out of 100 I play games w/ the sound off anyway. (especially if the wife and baby are still downstairs) I get so frustrated when games -don't- have subtitltes.
http://kotaku.com/5014864/not-so-good-voice-acting-explained
Its the CEO's family.........
Definitely not buying this game.
O3 is a small publisher and wont be able to hire talent like Atlus or Square Enix. You can just use the Japannese Voice acting. Also SCEA's polcy requires English voice actor so they have to throw in bad VA or no VA at all.
fatbeer
06-10-2008, 04:52 PM
This game is perhaps the worst voice acting in video games or at least top 10. Even simple words or phrases aren't pronounced properly like summon or yeah. If anybody interest in list of super bad video game voice acting go to audio actrocites. I play a few of those games and they deserve being there or nominated. Remember game like Resident Evil 1, Castlevania Symphony of Night, Castle Shikigami 2 or Shining Force III? Great games. Bad voice acting. The same can be apply to this game. At least you have dual audio in this game. Majority of audio actrocites list doesn't even have that option.
http://www.audioatrocities.com/games/index.html
oremites
06-10-2008, 05:41 PM
O3 is a small publisher and wont be able to hire talent like Atlus or Square Enix. You can just use the Japannese Voice acting. Also SCEA's polcy requires English voice actor so they have to throw in bad VA or no VA at all.
I think you may be on to something there. It's that same stupid policy that made Atlus strip out the Japanese VA in Arcana Heart. I can picture that they threw in the English voice acting using the cheapest method they possibly could so that they could give us the option of using the Japanese.
Anyway, this will be the first time I've ever used the Japanese voice option in a game. It will be interesting to see if I like it.
LeafPanda
06-11-2008, 07:10 PM
O3 is a small publisher and wont be able to hire talent like Atlus or Square Enix. You can just use the Japannese Voice acting. Also SCEA's polcy requires English voice actor so they have to throw in bad VA or no VA at all.I guess....
I'll buy it when theres a price drop for the gameplay and have the Jap VA on.
Dead of Knight
06-13-2008, 06:19 PM
Holy fucking shit....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAtC1SzWSXg
WHY is Nicholas (original Japanese)/Nicolai (American translation) translated as NICOLE?! That's 100% a GIRL'S NAME. HOLY SHIT.
Also, it's Kallen (original Japanese) or Karin (American translation). At least they got Uru right, that's Yuri's original Japanese name. And don't even get me started on the voice acting....
/uptight fan of Shadow Hearts
Derrick1979
06-20-2008, 07:24 PM
Well this is the only real Chaos Wars thread I came across and wanted to say that it is finally not in stock anymore on the EB/GS site...
Well I absolutely hate this game with the slowness and how they destroyed Yuri.....
So I called EB/GS and after the Edge they will give $15.40 :booty: and for the hell of it I called Gamecrazy and the guy told me they won't even take it because it's not in the system because it was EB/GS exclusive..
If anyone can get a trade-in quote from some other stores and post them it would be great seeing all the stores in my area seem to have idiots working tonight and I even had the same dumb EBgames employee hang up on me 2 times in a row trying to put me on hold....
$35 shipped any takers :bouncy:
Dead of Knight
06-20-2008, 11:43 PM
I'm surprised they'd even give $15.40 for it honestly.
If you have an eBay account and are willing to ship internationally, I hear it's selling for like $50.
Derrick1979
06-21-2008, 01:33 AM
I'm surprised they'd even give $15.40 for it honestly.
If you have an eBay account and are willing to ship internationally, I hear it's selling for like $50.
It's funny because it seems like they have little faith in even the "Exclusive" titles they have because they give more credit for Persona 3 FES and it even cost's less new.
I would like to get my money back for it but in all honesty I would be happy with like $30. I really only stay in the States with Ebay and CAG I dont want to deal with the shipping headaches and filling out all the forms in the Post office
Layd Dly
07-10-2008, 01:22 PM
Man this makes me glad i canceled my order.
MSI Magus
07-11-2008, 01:51 PM
I dont understand why people are tryig to sell this the way they are. This game is not common and still selling well on ebay. I also wouldnt be suprised if it ended up being a $60-$80 game in the long run.
HakoneNanamagari
07-11-2008, 03:20 PM
Oh man....I wanted to try this game too, but now it'll just be a far-off dream. :\
LeafPanda
07-11-2008, 08:38 PM
dam I might want to buy this game =P
I'm gonna buy this game when it hits 10-15 dollars. I can't pass this game up at that price.
linkpwns
07-19-2008, 08:58 PM
Wait a minute, the VO's aren't a joke?
Wait a minute, the VO's aren't a joke?
You can bet your Tengaia on it.
newlu
08-01-2008, 08:36 PM
I was able to find a new copy of Chaos Wars at my GS today but it was shrink wrapped instead of y-fold sealed.
The employee told me it wasn't a display copy. (In fact, they actually have another display copy on the shelf)
Has this happened to anyone else?
TIA
refusedchaos
08-01-2008, 08:49 PM
I was able to find a new copy of Chaos Wars at my GS today but it was shrink wrapped instead of y-fold sealed.
The employee told me it wasn't a display copy. (In fact, they actually have another display copy on the shelf)
Has this happened to anyone else?
TIA
opend it and check it out....last time i bought a copy like that (SMT: DDS2) it was a used copy inside >_<
my CW had a tight y-fold seal on it.
newlu
08-02-2008, 03:13 AM
opend it and check it out....last time i bought a copy like that (SMT: DDS2) it was a used copy inside >_<
my CW had a tight y-fold seal on it.
Thanks for answering
I got another GS to exchange an y-fold sealed copy for me.