TC1013's Ebay Experience. Caution: If All Is Not Read, U May Post Stupidly.

[The Successful Dropout]

I've been holding off on buying Zone of the Enders (the first one) for a while now because I was hoping to find a sealed copy at a cheaper price then what its going for. After giving up hope, I finally bought one on ebay for $30 from seller aranwhit. They have 100% feedback w/ 33 positive feedbacks. I figured that this was a pretty safe decision. I get the game in the mail today and notice that its sealed with the crap plastic that anyone can reseal a game with. I also notice through the crap plastic that the PS2 security sticker on the top of the case is missing. Giving the seller the benefit of the doubt, I open the game up to give the real test...does the disc show signs of use? Yes, it does. So I write them an angry email and maybe I should've handled it differently...but i was pissed. Here's the rest of the story.

I sent this to them:

Dear aranwhit,

If I wanted this game Used & ReSealed, I would've bought it from any local video game store for $9.99. Actually cheaper when they have their "buy 2 get 1 free on used video game" sales. This game is not sealed and it is not new. I would've never bid at all if you would'nt have falsely advertised this auction, let alone as high as I bid. Nice try, but I am not a fool. I will give you a few choices to settle this. If this isn't settled, I will contact ebay, paypal, and you can expect to be contacted by my lawyer.
1.) Send me my money back via paypal plus a little extra to cover the paypal fee that will be charged to me and $3 for shipping and handling so I can send this game back to you.
2.) Or send me back $20 via paypal to cover the difference between this game being used and this game being new.

They sent me this:

Dear bfh82ff,

As you can see from our feedback we are not used to having such problems. We purchase and resell items as we bought them. The item was purchased by us new and that is what we thought it was. Did you open the packaging? If the package is not open we are willing to negotiate with you to make sure both parties are happy. We are truly sorry if the game was not knew. That is what we were told when purchasing from a third party. We want to make sure that this misunderstood issue does not ruin your eBay experience. If the package is unopened we will be glad to send you 3.00 for the shipping and PayPal fee. We would have to receive the item before issuing a refund for obvious reasons. If the package is opened we are not certain as to what we can do next as technology is growing more efficient every day and people are able to illegally copy games and DVD's. We would not be able to find out if you have pirated the game and are sending it back so you get the game for free. We hope this is not the case. We understand why you are upset. We would be upset as well if what you are saying is true and it happened to us. But you need to understand that it was an honest mistake and we assumed it was new since it was packaged. Please rest assure we are not the type of people you may think we are. We thrive on giving our fellow eBay members nothing but the best service and the highest quality items. Please get back to us at your earliest convenience so we may resolve this issue in a peaceful manor. Thank you for your patience and we hope you will understand our side as well as yours.

So I sent this:

Yes, I opened the game up. I saw that the game was repackaged and that the sticker wasn't on the top of the case, which I'm sure you saw too....afterall, anyone can see through clear plastic. Do not try to play this innocent role. I gave you the benefit of the doubt by opening it up to see if the disc was scratched up...that would be the deciding factor on if the disc was used or not. Yes, the disc is scratched up. You can't do anything if the game is opened? I could easily reseal it...it would be in the same shape as it was when I got it. So that just doesn't make any sense. You are the type of people that I think you are. You are not willing to settle this because it is opened. That is complete bullshit. If we were to settle this by me being refunded the money, I would need to send first for obvious reasons? Bullshit. If that were the case, in the past between you and I, I have done my part of the deal...paid in full at a fast pace. You on the other hand have not. You have sent me something that is not what we agreed on. This is false advertisement and you seem to think that just because this is an online auction, that it isn't to be tooken seriously. So with the fact that I have done nothing wrong and you have, you will send the money first and then I will send you your game. You can see that I can be trusted. I can't see that you can. Settle this or I will take it up with ebay, paypal, and my lawyer. I will also make sure that noone purchases from you ever again...you are a fraud until you make yourself shown otherwise. You say that you are so for customer satisfaction, prove it. I have seen nothing to show any customer satisfaction.

Yes, I'm pissed off when I'm wronged...and when I'm wronged, I'm an asshole. Now what? I know that I'm bullshitting about the whole lawyer thing...but seriously, what can I do to get my money back?

[bignick]

That sucks. Did yo get feedback yet? If so, leave them negative if they dont resolve the issue.

[thatstoobad]

tell them to send you a new copy of the same game. then, it wouldn't matter if that "technology is growing more efficient every day and people are able to illegally copy games and DVD's" because you just want the same game.

[The Successful Dropout]

bignick - they apparantly knew better then to leave feedback first...those bastards

thatstoobad - i plan on telling them what you said after i receive their next email, if i receive one...

[bignick]

Leave them neg feedback, and if they do it too you, just respone with sold used game as new wouldnt fix problem.

[hutno]

you could just ask him to exchange the game for another copy. Therefore that copying arguement wouldnt hold up and if he can't provide you with the second copy have him send you a refund

[howlinmad]

"technology is growing more efficient every day and people are able to illegally copy games and DVD's" if you look Gameboy gams we sale, you will see we no alot about practice. "


No idea about the actual guys auction, but I see the same type on Ebay all the time.

[The Successful Dropout]

you could just ask him to exchange the game for another copy. Therefore that copying arguement wouldnt hold up and if he can't provide you with the second copy have him send you a refund

if they dont exchange it, which im strongly doubting they would....then i want the refund, but they want me to send first....ive been crapped on once by them, i dont want to chance getting crapped on twice...so im definitely not sending the game back to them b4 getting my money back

[The Successful Dropout]

their response:

Dear Valued eBayer,
If you weren't so rude maybe we would be able to resolve this issue a lot easier instead of being childish. We purchased the game sealed and that is what we sold it as. We wrote on the heading SEALED PS2 game. That is not false advertising. We wrote exactly what the item was. SEALED. We did not open the game therefor we were not able to see the items condition. We purchased it new and that it was. We are not going to send you the money not knowing if you will ever send the item. That is not how it works with any business you will see online. as well as stores. How do we know that the item will still be intact? How do we know you won't scratch it and send it back to us out of spite? These are things we have to think about as well. We will send the $3.00 for shipping if that is what you would like. But we will not give you an additional $20.00 out of our pockets so you can have the game plus the money. When you are ready to handle this like an adult and not threaten then we will be able to do something about this situation but threatening us is not going to help you any so please do not attempt to scare us. We are not in the wrong here and we are not going to take a hit for something that is clearly a misunderstanding. WE DID NOT KNOW IT WAS NOT NEW. When you understand that we can move on in this negotiation.
Sincerely,
Ara N' Whit

[coolsteel]

LOL Damn you didn't even try gradually working up to being an asshole, you just went right there from the start. If they bother replying after that good luck.

Edit: Pretty much what I figured your response from them would be.

[coolcps]

If the seller cant tell that a game is not new, then they shouldnt be selling games on ebay. Hopefully you can get your money back.

[Dok Diamond]

I dont mess with ebay no more, most of its fraud and if you do find something good for a price shipping is out of control

[Ericnmel99]

So I sent this:

Yes, I opened the game up. I saw that the game was repackaged and that the sticker wasn't on the top of the case, which I'm sure you saw too....afterall, anyone can see through clear plastic.


That was your mistake right here. You shouldn't of admitted to opening it. You should of resealed it and told them no i didnt open it but i can tell by the packaging that it was opened allready. Being that you opened it, the best thing you can do is leave bad feeback.

[Dead of Knight]

You were not too harsh, they're just being retards. They're so professional they wrote, "We are truly sorry if the game was not knew," and "Please get back to us at your earliest convenience so we may resolve this issue in a peaceful manor." Fuck them, fuck them in the ass. Hell, get a lawyer on them.

[howlinmad]

We wrote on the heading SEALED PS2 game. That is not false advertising

translated:
"f**k you" (sorry, Shaq-Fu is lame, true, so is ** but hey) Sounds like they suspected it to start with, but it will be very hard to go anywhere with that unfortunatly.


The fact that you opened it pretty much voids the biggest argument for you, the seal was not there. I wish you the best, but honestly, I don't see much hope. :(

[rebenns]

Just send the game back to them if they said you would get a refund. I have on a few occasions - and I've always gotten the refund once they got their game back. If they do receive the game, and do not give you the refund or sell another copy, then report them. First file a standard complaint if they don't give you the refund in a reasonable amount of time, then between 30 and 60 days, file a FRAUD ALERT. I got burned once, and didn't know about the fraud alert, and got screwed.

[deathcabforcutie]

this is a little off topic kinda, but i bought a game from the CC sale, spy hunter 2 for xbox, and its wrapped in plastic instead of being shrinkwrapped.. has it been opened or do they just do this on some games (the seal still seems to be in tact though)

[The Successful Dropout]

So I sent this:

Yes, I opened the game up. I saw that the game was repackaged and that the sticker wasn't on the top of the case, which I'm sure you saw too....afterall, anyone can see through clear plastic.


That was your mistake right here. You shouldn't of admitted to opening it. You should of resealed it and told them no i didnt open it but i can tell by the packaging that it was opened allready. Being that you opened it, the best thing you can do is leave bad feeback.

I know that was a mistake, but my horrible trait of being honest takes over from time to time. I thought about lying, but then I thought about them being understanding and not needing to be lied to. Oh well, I'm doubting that this is going to end without me just being stuck with the used game and out $30. I'm already starting to get over that fact, but it still doesn't mean that I'm not going to give them hell.

My response to them:

I hope you don't call yourself a business, because thats false advertising as well. Any business would've understood my complaint and would've seen to it that I am satisfied. A business such as Best Buy would guarantee me my money back or an equal exchange for the same game. A business like Best Buy can't hide behind an ebay name and run off to never be found again. I would trust sending a game back to a business like them. You, I can not trust, that has been proven. You have called me childish and rude because of a mistake that you have made. Lets say "you" didn't personally reseal this game, then you should have checked it thorougly enough to the point of where you were certain that you weren't falsely advertising something when saying that it is "New! Sealed." You seem to have left out the "New" part when writing that last email. That is false advertising. You say you still want to resolve this if I can stop being childish, that's really customer friendly. You already told me that if its opened, you can't resolve this, so how the hell are you supposed to resolve it when you told me you can't? Never in your auction did you say "as is." You have that little rant in there about how "technology is growing more efficient every day and people are able to illegally copy games and DVD's"...well I don't do illegal things and I'm not trying to make copies of this game...all I want is an even exchange. Don't give me the money back if you don't want to, just send me the same game but "NEW & SEALED" as promised. If you can't comply to that, then you're "illegal copying" arguement is dismissed. This shouldn't be an issue since your auction also conveniently states, "we are proud to be amongst the elite of ebay and i think a review of our feedback will back up this statement. we also have extremely competitve pricing on all our items, but we offer service second to none." I have 5 times the amount of positive feedback that you have on ebay and have never had a problem...so far your service has been second to everyone....but be my guest to prove me wrong.

[davidmt]

One time I sold a copy of Silpheed for the PS2, which I got from ebGames and decided I didn't want it. I think I sold it for $9 or so, which was maybe $2 more than I paid for it.

It was a sealed copy and I never examined it, but the guy who bought it told me it was used. So I'm assuming ebGames sold me a used game as new, and I've read that other people have had the same experience -- especially when ebGames had their return policy (not sure if they still do).

So the seller may have not been aware it was a used copy. I refunded the buyers money in full and told him to keep the game-the way I see it, I said it was a NEW and SEALED copy of the game. I didn't verify it, so my error and my problem.

[Tromack]

So I sent this:

Yes, I opened the game up. I saw that the game was repackaged and that the sticker wasn't on the top of the case, which I'm sure you saw too....afterall, anyone can see through clear plastic.


That was your mistake right here. You shouldn't of admitted to opening it. You should of resealed it and told them no i didnt open it but i can tell by the packaging that it was opened allready. Being that you opened it, the best thing you can do is leave bad feeback.

I know that was a mistake, but my horrible trait of being honest takes over from time to time. I thought about lying, but then I thought about them being understanding and not needing to be lied to. Oh well, I'm doubting that this is going to end without me just being stuck with the used game and out $30. I'm already starting to get over that fact, but it still doesn't mean that I'm not going to give them hell.

My response to them:

I hope you don't call yourself a business, because thats false advertising as well. Any business would've understood my complaint and would've seen to it that I am satisfied. A business such as Best Buy would guarantee me my money back or an equal exchange for the same game. A business like Best Buy can't hide behind an ebay name and run off to never be found again. I would trust sending a game back to a business like them. You, I can not trust, that has been proven. You have called me childish and rude because of a mistake that you have made. Lets say "you" didn't personally reseal this game, then you should have checked it thorougly enough to the point of where you were certain that you weren't falsely advertising something when saying that it is "New! Sealed." You seem to have left out the "New" part when writing that last email. That is false advertising. You say you still want to resolve this if I can stop being childish, that's really customer friendly. You already told me that if its opened, you can't resolve this, so how the hell are you supposed to resolve it when you told me you can't? Never in your auction did you say "as is." You have that little rant in there about how "technology is growing more efficient every day and people are able to illegally copy games and DVD's"...well I don't do illegal things and I'm not trying to make copies of this game...all I want is an even exchange. Don't give me the money back if you don't want to, just send me the same game but "NEW & SEALED" as promised. If you can't comply to that, then you're "illegal copying" arguement is dismissed. This shouldn't be an issue since your auction also conveniently states, "we are proud to be amongst the elite of ebay and i think a review of our feedback will back up this statement. we also have extremely competitve pricing on all our items, but we offer service second to none." I have 5 times the amount of positive feedback that you have on ebay and have never had a problem...so far your service has been second to everyone....but be my guest to prove me wrong.

Now that was a kickass response. It has the perfect balance of anger and rationality.

[The Successful Dropout]

they responded:

Turn your IMs on o we may be able to talk this out.

[Dead of Knight]

Trustcompany, that last one was an unbelievable email. They probably pissed their pants reading it.

[yogi99]

I got screwed buying a brand new sealded "Brotherhood of the Wolf" dvd on ebay a while ago. When I recieved the dvd it was sealed by anyone other than the factory, plus there was a big scratch on the dvd case. I just wanted to save some money for my bro's birthday present but instead I got screwed. I only save about $2 on that dvd but it wasn't "Brand New" as it was advertised, it wasn't worth it at all. From now on I won't buy any present on ebay because of false advertising.

Ask for an exchange or refund. Else leave neg feedback. And never send your game back b4 they send you your money back. Or you can try to let them send you some money back like 20% discount or something for the used game.

[eldad9]

I love how some people use legal and quasi-legal terms without knowing what they mean.

Anyway, it seems that rude buyers are having a much harder time than polite ones when trying to resolve prblems with sellers. Perhaps you would consider becoming a little more polite?

Of course, I wouldn't expect you to follow my advice; I certainly did not follow yours.

[The Successful Dropout]

thanks tromack and dead of knight...as for eldad...if you plan on following me into every thread that i post in just to be an ass, have fun, cuz ill make you look like one more then you already make yourself

they responded:

Can you please turn your instant message on so we may resolve this issue now. This is ridiculous. Let's just get this over with.

[manofpeace20]

Eldad, being polite has nothing to do with it. I am super nice in these situations, and it only makes it worse.

[Dead of Knight]

Yeah, if you're nice to assholes like these, they just walk all over you.

[The Successful Dropout]

They're talking about sending me some money, but they're still be cheapasses about it and not wanting to cover the s&h. They also want me to write them a letter saying that I'm shipping the game out...as well as getting a DC#. I'm a very honest person, but who here would actually send the game back out?

[zewone]

I would send it back if I got the money first. I don't know it's a tough call. I can see your point more but than really neither side trusts the other.

[The Successful Dropout]

ARA1616: To put this ssue to rest we are willing to sened the money under 1 condition...That we receive confirmation (a tracking number)$from the post office that the game is being sent here. And a letter from you saying thjat you will not damage it.
TRUSTcompany1013: I will send a delivery confirmation # to you once the money order is received.
ARA1616: if those to requests are met we are willing to lose out on money that should rightfully be ours. read the bottom of the listing.Normally we would apply our 5 day satisfaction guarantee but in this case we cannot. For the simple reason that people have come up with advanced technology - ways to copy games and movies. We do not want to haggle over returns with items which may have been copied.
TRUSTcompany1013: I just sent you another email stating that I am a very trustworthy person and will hold no grudges once this is settled
ARA1616: we will be using paypal not money order
TRUSTcompany1013: Oh sorry, I read "money under" and through the anger and headaches that this has made me experience, I misread it.
TRUSTcompany1013: Thinking it said money order.
ARA1616: we also wqanted to note that we never said we would not handle it we said it is uncertain what we would be able to do
TRUSTcompany1013: But you did make it seem that you wouldn't be able to do anything if that were the case, otherwise it would'nt have been mentioned.
TRUSTcompany1013: It was like an "ut oh, too bad" comment...if that makes sense.
TRUSTcompany1013: The total of the game was $30.60. Shipping will be approximately $3.00 w/ a delivery confirmation #.
ARA1616: We are trying to make you undestand that this issue bothers us and hurts us as wel. You are afraid we are screwng you over and vise versa
TRUSTcompany1013: I am not sure what the paypal fees would be.
TRUSTcompany1013: Please understand that I am sorry that this happened as well and it seems that you are now eager to make up for it...which I am very thankful for.
ARA1616: If we are losing out on money becuase of a misunderstanding you should as well. WE should call the shipping even since it only costs 3 for shipping
TRUSTcompany1013: Once this is settled, their will be no more need to prove how loyal and trustworthy you are by talking...for you will have proved it by actions.
ARA1616: we charged money for handling and packaging.
TRUSTcompany1013: I am not please with that.
TRUSTcompany1013: While $3 isn't that much...it is not fair on me more so then you.
TRUSTcompany1013: I did nothing wrong and you must be able to see that there was no possible way that I could have done something wrong.
ARA1616: We are in negotiations... this is not going to end 100% on one persons side it is going to be equal
TRUSTcompany1013: You on the other hand it is questionable. While you might've very well not have done somehting wrong, you are the only one that could've out of both of us.
TRUSTcompany1013: So you are going to fight me over $3?
TRUSTcompany1013: That is ridiculous.
ARA1616: We charged 3 additional dollars for our handling fee's instead of us taking that money llike we would have if this problem didnt arrise... you can take that money and ship the item back
TRUSTcompany1013: Please don't tell me that we are in negotiations over $3.
ARA1616: Neither one of us is making anything off of this deal. it will be even if it ends that way. If we give you more then we got you will be making money off of us
TRUSTcompany1013: Look, I am agreeing to the settlement of us resolving this so it was like it never happened on my end. I did nothing wrong and you know that.
TRUSTcompany1013: I am not making money off of you.
TRUSTcompany1013: The post office is.
TRUSTcompany1013: And that is not my fault at all.
ARA1616: We did nothing wrong either, that is what you are not understanding
TRUSTcompany1013: Answer me this...is it possible for me to have done something wrong?
ARA1616: you paid 6.85 for shipping when it only costs 3 so therefor there is 3.85 that is not going towards anything. use that to shup the item
ARA1616: why did you open it if you thought it to be used? Why not keep it packaged and complain then
TRUSTcompany1013: So the extra $3 that you used for handling fees is the money that is missing here.
ARA1616: the handling fee will be your shipping money. that way we both do not lose out on anything
ARA1616: we are trying to work with you despite your rudeness before. you need to work with us as well. we could just say forget it at any time and not refund you but we choose to do this
TRUSTcompany1013: Because in the past this has happened at stores. Where the item is sold as new, but shrinkwrapped. It is opened because it was a display copy. It has never been used because their are no scratches on the disc. I thought that this was probably the case with this game. But I was wrong. I wanted to make sure that I was complaining about something that was real.
TRUSTcompany1013: Threatening at this point in the negotiation isn't helping out either of us....so please don't start that up again just when we're getting somewhere.
TRUSTcompany1013: If I paid you $30.60 to begin with.
TRUSTcompany1013: Then you pay it back.
TRUSTcompany1013: Then I pay $3.00 to ship it.
TRUSTcompany1013: I am losing out.
ARA1616: ive never seen a big name store sell a new game that no you are not. reread what i am saying
TRUSTcompany1013: You reread what you are saying.
ARA1616: if you want to be a smartass we will end this now
TRUSTcompany1013: Some of your sentences are poorly put together and don't make sense. I am not trying to be rude, but I am trying to make out some of your sentences to the best that I can
TRUSTcompany1013: I am not being a smartass.
ARA1616: i am done argueing and trying to come to a conclusion
TRUSTcompany1013: I am trying to be real and settle this like adults.
TRUSTcompany1013: Same here.
TRUSTcompany1013: Back to where we left off.
TRUSTcompany1013: I paid $30.60.
TRUSTcompany1013: You pay it back.
TRUSTcompany1013: Then I have to pay $3.00?
TRUSTcompany1013: That would leave me in the hole $3.00
TRUSTcompany1013: That is not even.
ARA1616: YOU GAVE ME 6.85 FOR SHIPPING AND HANDLING WHEN IT ONLY COSTS 3.00 THERE IS STILL 3.85 THAT WAS NOT USED IN THE SAME OF THE ITEM NR THE SHIPPING COSTS. IT WAS SOLELY FOR OUR TIME. USE THAT MONEY THAT DID NOT GO TOWARDS ANYTHING TO PAY FOR SHIPPING
ARA1616: SALE*
ARA1616: That is our final offer
ARA1616: we are going against our policys which are CLEARLY stated at the bottom of the listing
TRUSTcompany1013: So you are saying that you want to keep some of the money for your time?
ARA1616: no, the money is being used for you to ship the item back
TRUSTcompany1013: Just send the money.
ARA1616: i dont get the money the post office does
TRUSTcompany1013: You are not understanding that I am being screwed $3...but I guess you won't understand that, so I'll hvae to get what i can get.
TRUSTcompany1013: I am not trying to be rude when I say that.
TRUSTcompany1013: But I wish you would try to understand that.
ARA1616: ::sigh:: you do not understand what i am saying
TRUSTcompany1013: Ask me questions if you don't understand how I am coming to that conclusion
ARA1616: I AM NOT TRYING TO TAKE 3 DOLLARS FROM YOU
TRUSTcompany1013: Look. Bottom Line. No arguing.
TRUSTcompany1013: I came into this with $30.60
TRUSTcompany1013: I paid that to you.
TRUSTcompany1013: You are going to pay that back to me.
TRUSTcompany1013: Then we're even after I send the game back to you.
ARA1616: AS I STATED BEFORE. WHEN I RECEIVE CONFIRMATIN THAT THE ITEM IS BEING SHIPPED HERE I WILL SEND THE MONEY
TRUSTcompany1013: But sending the game back makes me pay $3.00
TRUSTcompany1013: That is putting us back to uneven.
TRUSTcompany1013: That is like you paying me $27.60
ARA1616: ok no deal goodbye
ARA1616: i tried to resolve this
TRUSTcompany1013: No you did not.
TRUSTcompany1013: and you didnt say that once you receive confirmation that the money is being sent that you will send the money
ARA1616: Winning bid: US $22.25
TRUSTcompany1013: ?
ARA1616: you did not pay 3 dolars more
TRUSTcompany1013: How old are you?
ARA1616: goodbye

[Arakias]

suck it up i guess. i mean its just a game. you can get discs buffed to look like new if you really care.

[coolsteel]

Wait you turned down getting back the majority of your money over three dollars? So now you're left with a game and no refund. Or am I missing something?

[davidmt]

Oh my god, that is crazy! What now?

[AdamInPlaidum]

I agree with you for trying to get the 3 dollars. Its the principal of the thing. You should not lose out on 3 dollars because this guy (who seems either foreign or 9) used false-advertising.

[zewone]

Dang. I think you should have taken the $3 dollar loss, but I guess it the principle of the matter. Now it looks like you paid about 3 times too much for a used game.

[Dead of Knight]

Ok, after reading that whole thing I am CONVINCED the guy is borderline retarded. Keep at it, maybe he'll get confused and let you get all your money back.

[davidmt]

If I buy something at at an online store like BestBuy.com, and it is damaged or opened, I know I can send it back for a refund or replacement.

BUT, am I responsible for return shipping costs? I'm thinking sometimes you get postage paid stickers, but is that the norm?

I think having to pay return shipping sucks-it wasn't the buyers fault that an item was not in the condition agreed to in the sale.

[soulyogurt]

Post these excerpts to his future bidders, if you can. I've never tried that.. can you contact other bidders on ebay?

[pfunkpearl]

So what happended? You can always sned it media mail which is like 1.20 or so, not $3. Not sure if you can get conformation on that though. I think you can on first class which may be cheap as well

[ngxbox2004]

Burn his house... simple as that.

[bignick]

Get the refund, leave them negative feedback, then open up a new ebay account.

[DMFunk]

Ha, perfect revenge, leave them negative feedback with a link to a site with the IM Conversations and emails, I think anyone that was going to consider doing buisness with them, after reading those would rethink the idea...

[zewone]

You can get DC on media mail.

[Tromack]

Burn his house... simple as that.

As a simple rule, arson should always be the last option you consider.



It should also be the only option you consider.

[daikaiju]

In all honesty...trying to be rational and giving the seller the benefit of the doubt out of the gate can often work wonders for resolving issues. As an ebay seller myself at times, I find short tempered buyers who are unwilling to accept that at times things like this happen do nothing but piss me off. Here's an example of what I'm talking about -

A few years back I aquired a fair amount of new sealed SNES games that I decided to resell. I remember distinctly that it was a guy from Canada that purchased a new, sealed copy of Blackthorne from me. Well, first off - my auction was only open to US bidders, didn't want to mess with the whole customs thing - but I decided I'd sell to this guy anyways (giving him the benefit of the doubt) . So I go through the whole deal of sending him the game only to receive an email from him stating that when he opened the game the cart was missing, and in place of it was a square of styrofoam ?!? To be honest, I felt the guy was full of it since all the other titles I had sold had netted me nothing but great feedback, and didn't seem to have any visible signs of tampering. This guy comes out swinging in his very first email over this, threatening to report me to ebay and the full nine yards. I offered to pay for him to send it back to me, he refused to do so - after a long frustrating email battle I eventually sent him a refund and washed my hands of the whole affair even though I firmly believe he was a complete liar - I chalked it up to a learning experience.

It sounds to me like they were hesitant, but perhaps willing to iron out the issues in the original email. In response to their piracy concern...perhaps cordially stating that if you had intended to pirate the game, you would've just gone to the local Blockbuster and RENTED it. I dunno...I've been on both sides of the coin and have been screwed by a seller before too. I've always found that when trying to resolve issues like that, diplomacy is always key.

[Fourth Stooge]

This reminds me of the old Abbott and Costello routine "Who is on first?"

Basically the seller is trying to convince you that it cost him $6.85 to ship the game to you, but it only costs you $3.00 to ship the same damn game back to him. Apparently he wants to be paid for the time it took to defraud you.

I particularly liked the part where the seller claimed that it was bought as new from his "supplier," and somehow since he did not realize it was resealed, you should have overlooked it as well. Then he was later careful to point out that the ebay listing never said "new," just "sealed."

Report it to Paypal immediately. I do wish ebay had a method to put certain sellers like this ARA1616 on a personal no-buy list so I could avoid this asshole. Sometimes negative feedback is just not enough.

[The Successful Dropout]

Get the refund, leave them negative feedback, then open up a new ebay account.

but they want me to send them the DC# before they send the money....i am almost guaranteed to get shitted on out of a game and money...i would do that only if i got paid first....right now, im thinking about getting paid and not shipping the game after all of this crap....this person is really something else....you should see the convo we're having now...

[soulyogurt]

We could all contact ebay user aranwhit with emails stating we had heard of this problem and if a full refund is not supplied forthwith, we're not only going to blacklist him ourselves, but forward these same messages on to all our ebaying friends as well, and so on.

That's probably not allowed in the eBay rules, hm?

[The Successful Dropout]

Allowed in eBay rules, probably not. But I really don't think what he/she is doing is aloud either.

[doraemonkerpal]

Get the refund, leave them negative feedback, then open up a new ebay account.

but they want me to send them the DC# before they send the money....i am almost guaranteed to get shitted on out of a game and money...i would do that only if i got paid first....right now, im thinking about getting paid and not shipping the game after all of this crap....this person is really something else....you should see the convo we're having now...

you could always send him an empty envelope for 37 cents with dc (55 cents) and give him that number, lol! therefore, once you receive the money in your account, you can send him the game with only a 92 cent loss, but at least you'll know they gave you the money through paypal.

EDIT: i forgot to add that i think this seller is a jackass. :P they cannot comprehend how you're the only one losing out if you ship it back to them with "your own money." :roll:

[davidmt]

Your conversation should really be pretty brief:
1) You bought a game advertised as new and sealed.
2) You received a used game that was resealed. You want what you paid for, plain and simple. The seller fucked up and he needs to fix his mistake.

So can you post the rest of your conversations, I thought the last batch was pretty entertaining.

[The Successful Dropout]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8114813 585#ebayphotohosting

[The Successful Dropout]

just checked her feedback out....she bought that....hmm...what is in that auction that she bought....um...hm....oh...thats an open zone of the enders for ps2....wonder what shes doing with that...hmm.....damn...can't figure it out....i know ive seen it somewhere....probably because its IN MY GODDAMN HOUSE RIGHT NOW

[doraemonkerpal]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8114813 585#ebayphotohosting

LMAO! he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar! :P nice detective work trust!

[davidmt]

Yeah that is awesome. Good job! Of course, I'm sure he will claim he had multiple copies.

[zewone]

Did you let them know you found out she bought it used? What a lying sack of shit.

[Dead of Knight]

HOLY SHIT! This thread delivers! This person is all but pwned.

[yellowaznboy]

Check to see if he/she is selling those other games as "sealed."

[bignick]

Get the refund, leave them negative feedback, then open up a new ebay account.

but they want me to send them the DC# before they send the money....i am almost guaranteed to get shitted on out of a game and money...i would do that only if i got paid first....right now, im thinking about getting paid and not shipping the game after all of this crap....this person is really something else....you should see the convo we're having now...

Fo to USPS.com and download the USPS shipping assistant. You can get a DC# and have it emailed to them from the program. You dont have to send the package out.........

[video_gamer324]

Brilliant discovery there, trustcompany1013.

[coolsteel]

Now this just got funny, time to throw it in her face

[daikaiju]

Ok...I retract my earlier statement about diplomacy in light of all this. NAIL THAT BITCH!

[BigHow]

Trust, I'd go through Paypal right now. It tends to suck ass for sellers, but they're generally pertty good about refunding money to unahppy parties. I know a couple of buddies that have been ripped off of the goods and the cash by duplicitous ebayers who requested refunds.

You're obviously not in that category, but I'd ask for my money back. Once that happens, I'm sure aranwhit will be much easier to deal with, as they'll want their scamming material back.

As a side note, it's best not to threaten lawyers in a matter like this - the cost of the goods is so small that it wouldn't make it into small claims court. A lot of people will see through your bluff and may take you less seriously because of that.

[pfunkpearl]

Did you pay via paypal? If you did they have a thing where you can file a complaint and you can give them all this info. Including the emails, auction where they bought the game, im conversations and they will look into the matter i've had 2 problems via online purchases and once i filed that complaint via paypal, the people immediately settled up and sent my money back/or item.

[coolcps]

That is great that you found that! The seller needs to be shot for that, I hate people who lie. I wanna see the conversation when you send her the link for that!

[The Successful Dropout]

shes scared now and willing to pay...but wants a letter from my email account saying that ill send the game in good condition once payment is received and that i wont hold anything against her

[Dead of Knight]

Post the convo. Now.

[BigHow]

Job well done. This is a Punq-esque bit of detective work.

[doraemonkerpal]

shes scared now and willing to pay...but wants a letter from my email account saying that ill send the game in good condition once payment is received and that i wont hold anything against her

LMAO!!! i'm glad that you found justice. that was just plain wrong that she lied to you and tried to make you pay out of your own pocket for her mistake. many people have been experiencing problems with ebayers lately (including me) and it's encouraging to hear that even though this ebayer tried to screw you, they didn't get away with it! :P

[The Successful Dropout]

Post the convo. Now.

the convo is very boring now...a lot of me repeating the same stuff over and over again because she isn't very well educated...also a lot of me bullshitting and saying just about anything to try and get her to send the damn money....lol....i think that i even threw in there one time that i was a circus clown and would send her a picture of me liontaming...and i could make her some balloon animals if she sent the money back....well maybe not, but i said a lot of shit just to get her confused, irritated and wanting to just end it...a lot of mind games

[Zephry]

trustcompany1013, take your three dollar loss on eBay and be happy. I've been had for a lot more on eBay. You should be happy that they are offering to pay you back the money minus the shipping which is a standard practice almost everywhere. You will almost never get a refund on the shipping cost on any store.

[The Successful Dropout]

after all of the fraud that she pulled...how many of you would send the game back to her after receiving the full payment?

[coolsteel]

I would, after insuring it for 40 bucks.

[Dead of Knight]

after all of the fraud that she pulled...how many of you would send the game back to her after receiving the full payment?

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I'd have to get back to you on that one....

[BigHow]

I would send it back, provided she paid for the shipping, just to have a clean slate. No need to lower myself to her level.

Plus, I think I'd turn in my CAG Morality Police Deputy Badge if I didn't.

[The Successful Dropout]

well i plan on sending it to her...but you do not know what i am putting up with here

[Zephry]

I really doubt she is dumb enough to resell a used copy as NEW... unless she is that dumb. But then again she did think the game was new when the sticker was on the WRONG side.

[Graystone]

dont ever use the "I get my lawyer involved"

unless you are wealthy enough to have a lawyer on call and for 30 bucks.
I hate when people use that lawyer shit you will pay 5,000 min to get back 30+shipping I feel they are wrong but dont be an ass, be as nice as possible it will get you further then anger,
2nd try to say sorry. tell them the horror of the falsehood of the acution filled you with rage that an honest ebayer could be deciving.

[zewone]

dont ever use the "I get my lawyer involved"

unless you are wealthy enough to have a lawyer on call and for 30 bucks.
I hate when people use that lawyer shit you will pay 5,000 min to get back 30+shipping I feel they are wrong but dont be an ass, be as nice as possible it will get you further then anger,
2nd try to say sorry. tell them the horror of the falsehood of the acution filled you with rage that an honest ebayer could be deciving.

I don't think you read the whole thread...

[Zephry]

I feel your pain. I remember when I won Arc the Lad Collection and receiving a plasma globe in the mail. Well the seller refused to correct it and cut off communication. I was pissed but felt good trashing the plasma globe. BTW plasma globe was won by another bidder. Seller ended up getting two negative from me and the other bidder.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws1/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=candybev

[The Successful Dropout]

I really doubt she is dumb enough to resell a used copy as NEW... unless she is that dumb. But then again she did think the game was new when the sticker was on the WRONG side.

what are you talking about? she is that dumb...no questions asked...did you see the other auction she had? when did she say the sticker was on the other side? maybe i didnt read that part....im not trying to rag on you, i just thought you've been reading along the whole time


anyway...i just got all of hte money, plus $3 extra for shipping, plus she said i can keep the game, lmao....i never could be happier...though i did waste an hour or more....i dont even know any more....ill post the whole im convo from start to finish in a few seconds....i just dont care to find where i left off at from the last IM part posted....

i just scared one scammer off of the planet....1 million more to go....

[The Successful Dropout]

NOTE: Some religious people may be offended by some of the "I swear to god"s that i made during this conversation...I personally am not religious and believe that their are no rules involved when you're putting a scammer in his/her place.

ARA1616: To put this ssue to rest we are willing to sened the money under 1 condition...That we receive confirmation (a tracking number)$from the post office that the game is being sent here. And a letter from you saying thjat you will not damage it.
TRUSTcompany1013: I will send a delivery confirmation # to you once the money order is received.
ARA1616: if those to requests are met we are willing to lose out on money that should rightfully be ours. read the bottom of the listing.Normally we would apply our 5 day satisfaction guarantee but in this case we cannot. For the simple reason that people have come up with advanced technology - ways to copy games and movies. We do not want to haggle over returns with items which may have been copied.
TRUSTcompany1013: I just sent you another email stating that I am a very trustworthy person and will hold no grudges once this is settled
ARA1616: we will be using paypal not money order
TRUSTcompany1013: Oh sorry, I read "money under" and through the anger and headaches that this has made me experience, I misread it.
TRUSTcompany1013: Thinking it said money order.
ARA1616: we also wqanted to note that we never said we would not handle it we said it is uncertain what we would be able to do
TRUSTcompany1013: But you did make it seem that you wouldn't be able to do anything if that were the case, otherwise it would'nt have been mentioned.
TRUSTcompany1013: It was like an "ut oh, too bad" comment...if that makes sense.
TRUSTcompany1013: The total of the game was $30.60. Shipping will be approximately $3.00 w/ a delivery confirmation #.
ARA1616: We are trying to make you undestand that this issue bothers us and hurts us as wel. You are afraid we are screwng you over and vise versa
TRUSTcompany1013: I am not sure what the paypal fees would be.
TRUSTcompany1013: Please understand that I am sorry that this happened as well and it seems that you are now eager to make up for it...which I am very thankful for.
ARA1616: If we are losing out on money becuase of a misunderstanding you should as well. WE should call the shipping even since it only costs 3 for shipping
TRUSTcompany1013: Once this is settled, their will be no more need to prove how loyal and trustworthy you are by talking...for you will have proved it by actions.
ARA1616: we charged money for handling and packaging.
TRUSTcompany1013: I am not please with that.
TRUSTcompany1013: While $3 isn't that much...it is not fair on me more so then you.
TRUSTcompany1013: I did nothing wrong and you must be able to see that there was no possible way that I could have done something wrong.
ARA1616: We are in negotiations... this is not going to end 100% on one persons side it is going to be equal
TRUSTcompany1013: You on the other hand it is questionable. While you might've very well not have done somehting wrong, you are the only one that could've out of both of us.
TRUSTcompany1013: So you are going to fight me over $3?
TRUSTcompany1013: That is ridiculous.
ARA1616: We charged 3 additional dollars for our handling fee's instead of us taking that money llike we would have if this problem didnt arrise... you can take that money and ship the item back
TRUSTcompany1013: Please don't tell me that we are in negotiations over $3.
ARA1616: Neither one of us is making anything off of this deal. it will be even if it ends that way. If we give you more then we got you will be making money off of us
TRUSTcompany1013: Look, I am agreeing to the settlement of us resolving this so it was like it never happened on my end. I did nothing wrong and you know that.
TRUSTcompany1013: I am not making money off of you.
TRUSTcompany1013: The post office is.
TRUSTcompany1013: And that is not my fault at all.
ARA1616: We did nothing wrong either, that is what you are not understanding
TRUSTcompany1013: Answer me this...is it possible for me to have done something wrong?
ARA1616: you paid 6.85 for shipping when it only costs 3 so therefor there is 3.85 that is not going towards anything. use that to shup the item
ARA1616: why did you open it if you thought it to be used? Why not keep it packaged and complain then
TRUSTcompany1013: So the extra $3 that you used for handling fees is the money that is missing here.
ARA1616: the handling fee will be your shipping money. that way we both do not lose out on anything
ARA1616: we are trying to work with you despite your rudeness before. you need to work with us as well. we could just say forget it at any time and not refund you but we choose to do this
TRUSTcompany1013: Because in the past this has happened at stores. Where the item is sold as new, but shrinkwrapped. It is opened because it was a display copy. It has never been used because their are no scratches on the disc. I thought that this was probably the case with this game. But I was wrong. I wanted to make sure that I was complaining about something that was real.
TRUSTcompany1013: Threatening at this point in the negotiation isn't helping out either of us....so please don't start that up again just when we're getting somewhere.
TRUSTcompany1013: If I paid you $30.60 to begin with.
TRUSTcompany1013: Then you pay it back.
TRUSTcompany1013: Then I pay $3.00 to ship it.
TRUSTcompany1013: I am losing out.
ARA1616: ive never seen a big name store sell a new game that no you are not. reread what i am saying
TRUSTcompany1013: You reread what you are saying.
ARA1616: if you want to be a smartass we will end this now
TRUSTcompany1013: Some of your sentences are poorly put together and don't make sense. I am not trying to be rude, but I am trying to make out some of your sentences to the best that I can
TRUSTcompany1013: I am not being a smartass.
ARA1616: i am done argueing and trying to come to a conclusion
TRUSTcompany1013: I am trying to be real and settle this like adults.
TRUSTcompany1013: Same here.
TRUSTcompany1013: Back to where we left off.
TRUSTcompany1013: I paid $30.60.
TRUSTcompany1013: You pay it back.
TRUSTcompany1013: Then I have to pay $3.00?
TRUSTcompany1013: That would leave me in the hole $3.00
TRUSTcompany1013: That is not even.
ARA1616: YOU GAVE ME 6.85 FOR SHIPPING AND HANDLING WHEN IT ONLY COSTS 3.00 THERE IS STILL 3.85 THAT WAS NOT USED IN THE SAME OF THE ITEM NR THE SHIPPING COSTS. IT WAS SOLELY FOR OUR TIME. USE THAT MONEY THAT DID NOT GO TOWARDS ANYTHING TO PAY FOR SHIPPING
ARA1616: SALE*
ARA1616: That is our final offer
ARA1616: we are going against our policys which are CLEARLY stated at the bottom of the listing
TRUSTcompany1013: So you are saying that you want to keep some of the money for your time?
ARA1616: no, the money is being used for you to ship the item back
TRUSTcompany1013: Just send the money.
ARA1616: i dont get the money the post office does
TRUSTcompany1013: You are not understanding that I am being screwed $3...but I guess you won't understand that, so I'll hvae to get what i can get.
TRUSTcompany1013: I am not trying to be rude when I say that.
TRUSTcompany1013: But I wish you would try to understand that.
ARA1616: ::sigh:: you do not understand what i am saying
TRUSTcompany1013: Ask me questions if you don't understand how I am coming to that conclusion
ARA1616: I AM NOT TRYING TO TAKE 3 DOLLARS FROM YOU
TRUSTcompany1013: Look. Bottom Line. No arguing.
TRUSTcompany1013: I came into this with $30.60
TRUSTcompany1013: I paid that to you.
TRUSTcompany1013: You are going to pay that back to me.
TRUSTcompany1013: Then we're even after I send the game back to you.
ARA1616: AS I STATED BEFORE. WHEN I RECEIVE CONFIRMATIN THAT THE ITEM IS BEING SHIPPED HERE I WILL SEND THE MONEY
TRUSTcompany1013: But sending the game back makes me pay $3.00
TRUSTcompany1013: That is putting us back to uneven.
TRUSTcompany1013: That is like you paying me $27.60
ARA1616: ok no deal goodbye
ARA1616: i tried to resolve this
TRUSTcompany1013: No you did not.
TRUSTcompany1013: and you didnt say that once you receive confirmation that the money is being sent that you will send the money
ARA1616: Winning bid: US $22.25
TRUSTcompany1013: ?
ARA1616: you did not pay 3 dolars more
TRUSTcompany1013: How old are you?
ARA1616: goodbye
TRUSTcompany1013: You are a female, right?
TRUSTcompany1013: You might want to go out to a nice store and get yourself a dress/suit so you can look well in court.
ARA1616: childish pure childish
TRUSTcompany1013: Just let me know why you won't work this out.
ARA1616: your threats are no good here
TRUSTcompany1013: I don't understand.
ARA1616: you do not scare me
TRUSTcompany1013: I am not threatening no more then you are.
ARA1616: TRUSTcompany1013 [6:06 PM]: You might want to go out to a nice store and get yourself a dress/suit so you can look well in court.
ARA1616: thats not a threat? lol
TRUSTcompany1013: We agreed earlier in this IM if you'll scroll up...that you are gonna send me the money via paypal and then ill send you the game
TRUSTcompany1013: w/ a dc# and letter.
ARA1616: well you seem to want to be ignorant and act like you are losing out on meoney when you are not. you are the fraud here. you are trying to make money out of this
TRUSTcompany1013: No I am not.
TRUSTcompany1013: How am i making money?
TRUSTcompany1013: The post office would be.
TRUSTcompany1013: I gave you $30.60. Then you give it back. Then I pay the post office $3.
TRUSTcompany1013: I would be out $3
TRUSTcompany1013: Fine. Just send the $30.60 to me via paypal and I will send you the game back with a delivery confirmation # once the money is received. I do not want negative feedback on my record just as much as you don't want it on yours. I am very trustworthy, as you can see from my ebay past.
ARA1616: Winning bid: US $22.25 shipping 6.85 when it was only 3.00 so you paid 3.85 additional dollars that was not going towards shipping nor the winning bid. it was going to u for our tiem. but since you are doing this instead of us taking the 3.854 we are asking you to use that to ship it. do you understand that????? that is clear as day. read before responding. If you do not say ok after this IM I will sign off and you can assume that my offer has expired.
ARA1616: WE STATED FROM THE BEGINNING OF THIS CONVERSATION THAT WE WILL PAY ONCE THE CONFIRMATION NUMBER IS GIVEN TO US
TRUSTcompany1013: Answer me this please....So you want to keep the money for your time?
TRUSTcompany1013: And how am I supposed to trust that you will send the money after I send you the notification of the game being sent?
ARA1616: before this crap happened, yes. because i work and need to leave really early just to ship the item the next day
TRUSTcompany1013: If you do not settle this, I will post this whole conversation...
TRUSTcompany1013: emails and instant messages...
TRUSTcompany1013: so that everyone on ebay can see it...
TRUSTcompany1013: i promise you that...
TRUSTcompany1013: no1 will buy from you again...
ARA1616: good they will see that you are not understanding the whole math thing and that i tried to reslove this
ARA1616: who cares.. your threats dont scare me
TRUSTcompany1013: you are the one with the math problem...
ARA1616: i made an offer that is it... i dont even have to do this
TRUSTcompany1013: I dont have to do this either, I can get you kicked off of ebay permanently, but I am trying to save you here.
ARA1616: so what? ebay is not my life like i said i have a job. i am trying to get you your money back and you are not working with me
TRUSTcompany1013: You don't answer any of my questions.
TRUSTcompany1013: Answer this.
ARA1616: because you are chldish and are threatening me
ARA1616: i do not t ake kindly to threats
TRUSTcompany1013: Why should I verify to you that I sent the game back before you pay? What guarantees me that you will send the money afterwards? What guarantees that you won't just keep the money and the game?
ARA1616: i do not know.. what guarantees me that you will send it unharmed or even send it at all
ARA1616: its the same thng
ARA1616: we are both in the same position
TRUSTcompany1013: Yes...but please listen.
TRUSTcompany1013: I did my end of the deal first last time. The reason that we are in this mess is not because of me. My end of the deal had no problems. I promise you that I will send the game out after receiving the payment. Why don't you believe me? I use ebay very often and you could ruin that for me by leaving negative feedback if I don't send you the game back. I am not about to ruin my ebay reputation for $30. I can make more then that easily on a daily basis through ebay if I want to.
ARA1616: same here, that is what you are not understanding
TRUSTcompany1013: It is not the same there. Your end of the deal had problems.
ARA1616: it was not my fault
ARA1616: jesus
TRUSTcompany1013: I've proved that my end of the deal is nothing but good.
ARA1616: dont you understand that
TRUSTcompany1013: Well whos fault was it more? Mine or yours?
ARA1616: nether.. the asshole who sold it to me
ARA1616: i never said it was your fault
TRUSTcompany1013: Then yell at him for a New & Sealed copy.
TRUSTcompany1013: Then send it to me and I'll send it back.
ARA1616: you are not working with me
TRUSTcompany1013: Lets agree on one thing...
TRUSTcompany1013: this is a trust issue now, right?
ARA1616: correct
TRUSTcompany1013: Well I trusted you to send the game out after I bought it from you....so why can't you trust me to send the game back after you buy it from me?
ARA1616: that is different, we have an issue now. there is hostility
ARA1616: how do i know you wont scratch the game up?
TRUSTcompany1013: I have told you thought, honestly....I am a very trustworthy person. I will hold no grudges after settlement is made.
TRUSTcompany1013: I won't scratch the game up. The game is already scuffed up, that is what we are fighting about.
ARA1616: i cannot go by that, i do not know you
TRUSTcompany1013: What would i get out of scratching the game up? Honestly.
TRUSTcompany1013: That would be pointless. I will be more hten happy once this issue is resolved.
TRUSTcompany1013: I don't want any more coming out of this then I had going into it.
TRUSTcompany1013: You don't know me, I understand that. And you can't go by "that," I also understand that.
TRUSTcompany1013: Thats why ebay has feedback.
TRUSTcompany1013: To make ppl feel safe when dealing with others
TRUSTcompany1013: Take a look at the feedback that I've given and received. I am more then generous, I show my appreciation, and I am well liked by many buyers and sellers on ebay.
ARA1616: take a look at my feedback and you will see the same. go to any online store and ask the if they will refund your money before you ship it and i guarantee they will all say no
TRUSTcompany1013: Ive already explained that.
ARA1616: if you can show me 1 just 1 store online that does not require the item back before refunds and i will do hings your way
TRUSTcompany1013: They are beyond trustworthy.
TRUSTcompany1013: A well-established business can't go and hide.
TRUSTcompany1013: They have to give me my money back no matter what.
TRUSTcompany1013: There is no ifs, ands, or buts.
TRUSTcompany1013: As for shipping back to other companies.
ARA1616: well we are in the same boat and i am not going to budge any more then you are so we are going to stay at this position til someone gives in
TRUSTcompany1013: They pay for shipping.
TRUSTcompany1013: So you want me to send the game out and then what?
ARA1616: yes but they stil receive the item first so they are able to inspect it
TRUSTcompany1013: What do you want to inspect?
ARA1616: right when i receive the confirmation number and it is proven to work i will send the money ASAP
TRUSTcompany1013: See, that alone tells me that you are not going to send the money until you receive the game
TRUSTcompany1013: You said that you will send the money once you receive the DC#.
TRUSTcompany1013: But now you're hinting that you want to inspect it first.
ARA1616: i said they do not me
ARA1616: read before you respond!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TRUSTcompany1013: Well it seems fishy to me.
TRUSTcompany1013: I do read, I just read further into what ppl say/type then most ppl do.
ARA1616: ok then no deal.. complain to all the people you wan but this is the last time you will get a chance for your refund
TRUSTcompany1013: I am very smart and can more then often read ppls minds.
TRUSTcompany1013: You are unnegotiable. You are not willing to budge and you said so yourself
ARA1616: i am done running around in circles with you... one cannot trust another more then the other one cause it is all the same
TRUSTcompany1013: no it is not
TRUSTcompany1013: You do not understand anything.
TRUSTcompany1013: Nothing went wrong with my end of the deal.
TRUSTcompany1013: Nothing.
ARA1616: my offer stands for the next 10 minutes.. you think it over and get back to me. i am going to relax for i have a headache now
TRUSTcompany1013: Something went wrong with your end of the deal because you send me something that wasn't part of the deal.
TRUSTcompany1013: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8114813 585#ebayphotohosting
TRUSTcompany1013: take a look at that website and please tell me what you see
ARA1616: yes, we purchase useed as well as new games.. not all of our buys are on the internet
ARA1616: what are you trying to get at
TRUSTcompany1013: you know
TRUSTcompany1013: do not play stupid
ARA1616: no i dont
TRUSTcompany1013: lmao
TRUSTcompany1013: you think im the stupidest person in the world, dont you?
TRUSTcompany1013: do you know how much trouble that you can now get in for this?
TRUSTcompany1013: you fool
ARA1616: you cannot prove that those are the same exact items cause they are not. we purchase the same games and sell them
TRUSTcompany1013: if you are going to sell used stuff as new, at least buy the used stuff somewhere else
TRUSTcompany1013: you do not know the trouble that you have just gotten into
ARA1616: none
ARA1616: are you taking my offer or no? i am not going to take your threats any more
TRUSTcompany1013: you wanna bet just how much "technology is growing"....i can prove it
TRUSTcompany1013: heres a suggestion
TRUSTcompany1013: of advice
TRUSTcompany1013: one last offer for you
TRUSTcompany1013: send me the money first and i will send you the game tomorrow when the post offices are open again
TRUSTcompany1013: i swear to god that i will send the game out
TRUSTcompany1013: i swear to god that i wills end you the dc# after sending the game out
TRUSTcompany1013: and i swear to god that if this happens in that order, i will forget all of this and go on without grudges and without anger
TRUSTcompany1013: but if you dont take this last offer, i know what i can do with this information
TRUSTcompany1013: my uncle is a lawyer
ARA1616: i would like a letter as stated in our earlier agreement
TRUSTcompany1013: a very good one in baltimore, md
ARA1616: so is a good friend of mine
ARA1616: what is your point
ARA1616: stop threatening me and lets resolve this
TRUSTcompany1013: a letter is fine, but you will send the money first
TRUSTcompany1013: with a good friend of yours being a lawyer, ask him/her how much trouble you can get in for htis
TRUSTcompany1013: he/she will tell you to pay the $30 and forget about it
ARA1616: i will send HALF now and half whwen i receive the confirmation nubmer and it is proven to work. that is it
TRUSTcompany1013: $30 will be nothing compared to what you could have to pay/do
ARA1616: stop threatening and listen to what i am saying
TRUSTcompany1013: i am not threatening
TRUSTcompany1013: you buried yourself into this hole
TRUSTcompany1013: you listen to me....because you are not
TRUSTcompany1013: i gave you an offer...a very generous offer just now
TRUSTcompany1013: i will hold no grudges
TRUSTcompany1013: and i said that is my last offer
ARA1616: yes, you have been doing it all along. that is not getting you any where. i have been trying to end this for a long time now so lets do this
TRUSTcompany1013: i will send you your game
TRUSTcompany1013: trust me, i dont want it
TRUSTcompany1013: it will come to you in the condition that i received it in
ARA1616: which is?
TRUSTcompany1013: i will even send you your plastic back and your packaging back
TRUSTcompany1013: which is what?
TRUSTcompany1013: the condition
TRUSTcompany1013: you know how you sent it
ARA1616: what condition was it in? you say it is scratched. how di i know you wont scratch it?
TRUSTcompany1013: the game is opened and their are scuffs on the bottom of the disc
ARA1616: i was not able t see the inside of the item
TRUSTcompany1013: it probably plays/works, but i have not tested it out...i looked at once and saw that it wasnt new/sealed...then i put it gently back into the case...hoping to work something out
ARA1616: i want your word that this game will not be harmed in a letter
TRUSTcompany1013: i promise you wont scratch it
TRUSTcompany1013: i promise you i wont scratch it
TRUSTcompany1013: lady, the game should be the least of your problems
TRUSTcompany1013: you should be asking me to write you a letter that i relieve you of any legal problems after the money is sent
TRUSTcompany1013: last offer
ARA1616: yes you may include that as well even though i do not need it
ARA1616: i did not do anything wrong
TRUSTcompany1013: dont be so sure of yourself
TRUSTcompany1013: look, i am trying to bargain with you
ARA1616: i am sending your money so stop your hostility
TRUSTcompany1013: i am trying to overlook the past that you got caught and that i can prove it with a little bit of time
TRUSTcompany1013: you didnt think that i would come this far and i have
TRUSTcompany1013: okay
TRUSTcompany1013: lets get this over with
ARA1616: wheres my letter
ARA1616: i want to make sure it goes unharmed and you are not to bother me again
TRUSTcompany1013: i am not stupid enough to send you a letter first
TRUSTcompany1013: let me finish...
TRUSTcompany1013: the letter would state that i would leave you alone after you send the money and that i would relieve you of any legal action
ARA1616: I AM SENDING YOU THE MONEY. WHEN I GET THE LETTER YOU WILL RECEIVE AN EMAIL WITH THE MONEY IN YOUR ACCOUNT.
TRUSTcompany1013: whats to say that you wont just keep the letter and the money...leaving me with a $10 game
ARA1616: I DO NOT WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS ANY MORE
ARA1616: END IT NOW
TRUSTcompany1013: then send the money and i promise to send you the game
ARA1616: YOU ARE GETTING IT YOUR WAY SO JUST WRITE THE STUPID LETTER
TRUSTcompany1013: put the ego aside and realize that i am not scamming youy
TRUSTcompany1013: just because you got caught scamming doesnt mean that i am gonna scam you
TRUSTcompany1013: just send the money and ill send the game
TRUSTcompany1013: you have done worse here then i have
TRUSTcompany1013: and i have proved that
TRUSTcompany1013: should i send you the link again?
TRUSTcompany1013: check my feedback?
ARA1616: I AM NOT SCAMMING FRIRST OF ALL AND SECONDLY YOU WANTED THE MONEY BEFORE YOU SEND AND THAT IS WHAT I AM DOING. LETS JUST END IT
TRUSTcompany1013: okay
TRUSTcompany1013: send the money
ARA1616: I WANT THE EMAIL FIRST
TRUSTcompany1013: i did not make you send me a letter before buying the game from you
TRUSTcompany1013: what do you want tihs email to state?
ARA1616: THERE IS A DIFFERENCE HERE, WE ARE ARGUEING
TRUSTcompany1013: listen....you do realize this
TRUSTcompany1013: emails dont hodl up in a court of a law
TRUSTcompany1013: emails dont hold up anywhere
TRUSTcompany1013: but auctions do
TRUSTcompany1013: and proof does
TRUSTcompany1013: and if theres enough proof (with auctions and pictures and all)...then emails and ims can come into it
ARA1616: I HAVE PAYPAL OPEN RIGHT NOW. THE MINUTE I RECEIVE THE LETTER YOU WILL GET YOUR MONEY. ALL YOU HAVE TO WRITE IS THAT YOU WILL RECEIVE THE REFUND, YOU WILL SEND THE GAME BACK IN ITS GOOD CONDITION, AND THAT YOU WILL NOT BOTHER ME AFTER THIS AND WHAT NOT
TRUSTcompany1013: if your close friend is a good lawyer, ask him/her if you dont believe me
TRUSTcompany1013: fine
TRUSTcompany1013: but how am i to know that you wont just not send the money and keep the letter?
TRUSTcompany1013: see, we are one step closer, but i am not going to be fooled
TRUSTcompany1013: i am not going to fool either
ARA1616: BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN ARGUING ABOUT THIS FOR SO LONG AND IT WAS JUST ABOUT YOU SENDING THE ITEM. NOW I AM PUTTING THAT TO REST. I JUST WANT THE LETTER
TRUSTcompany1013: i just want the money
ARA1616: you can state in the leter that you will receive the money before hand and i am liable if you dont
TRUSTcompany1013: thats no good
TRUSTcompany1013: trust me, i dont want the game
TRUSTcompany1013: once you send the money, i wills end the game
TRUSTcompany1013: i promise
TRUSTcompany1013: a letter wouldnt do anything
TRUSTcompany1013: do not forget what we are takling about here
ARA1616: i want the letter. i will give you your 30 dollars as soon as i get it. write it so you will make sure you can get your money as well
TRUSTcompany1013: there is no way to make sure that i will get the money without you sending it first
TRUSTcompany1013: whehter you want to admit it or not
ARA1616: half now half after the letter
TRUSTcompany1013: you have proved to be untrustworthy
TRUSTcompany1013: you have been caught and will not admit it, but you know it
ARA1616: that is it it is unfair to me that you are doing this
TRUSTcompany1013: i have not been caught doing anything except being smart and knowing the laws and rules
ARA1616: lets just end this
TRUSTcompany1013: i am not doing anything
TRUSTcompany1013: i asked for fair and square
TRUSTcompany1013: i gave you $30.60, you give me it back plus $3 so i am not in the hole for this crap
ARA1616: half now and half after stop getting so stingy you want everything. before you just wanted the money first and that is what i am doing now please stick withyour offer
TRUSTcompany1013: plus the paypal fees which i am willing to eat
TRUSTcompany1013: i am not being stingy
TRUSTcompany1013: i am being fair
ARA1616: i will give you 343.60 OK?
TRUSTcompany1013: i do not know much about you besides that you are a scam artist...but not very good at hiding your tracks
ARA1616: 33.60
TRUSTcompany1013: that is fine, send it now and put it aside
ARA1616: s that good enough???????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????
TRUSTcompany1013: i will send the game out first thing tomorrow morning
ARA1616: send the letter
TRUSTcompany1013: it is now 7pm where im from
TRUSTcompany1013: i will get to the post office around 10-11am, im not sure when they open, i know they close at 5 though
TRUSTcompany1013: you are making me waste plenty of time on this
TRUSTcompany1013: do not forget that not only did i catch you in a scam and got cheated....I AM ALSO STILL YOUR CUSTOMER
TRUSTcompany1013: lets not forget that
TRUSTcompany1013: end this now
TRUSTcompany1013: please
TRUSTcompany1013: i dont want any grudges held between us
TRUSTcompany1013: as said, i can pick this game up very cheaply used at any video game store around me
TRUSTcompany1013: it is not worht it to me to keep the game and get negative feedback
TRUSTcompany1013: gamestop around the way has deals often where you can get buy 2 used games get one free...also 10% off on top of that if you subscribe to their magazine...which i do
TRUSTcompany1013: i can get the game for around $7 there like that
TRUSTcompany1013: i wanted it brand new because it is an older game and hard to come by new, unless you're willing to pay good money for it....i dont buy used games....you never know how good they're going to work....scratched discs could play fine up until you get to the end of the game, then the last part could skip and/or freeze...never letting you beat it...this is why i dont buy used games
TRUSTcompany1013: please end this and send the money out now, i will send the game out tomorrow, i do not know why you cant trust me...i have done nothing to make me not trustworthy
TRUSTcompany1013: i will give you 5 minutes to have the money in my paypal account
ARA1616: i have sent half.. i have done good on my side so far... now you send the letter so you do half your part and then i send the rest completing my end and then you send the game completing your end
ARA1616: that way is YOUR way. I will pay for shipping so you make 3 dollars off of it
ARA1616: JUST END THIS

TRUSTcompany1013: 5 minutes up
TRUSTcompany1013: let me ask you something
ARA1616: ARA1616 [7:13 PM]: i have sent half.. i have done good on my side so far... now you send the letter so you do half your part and then i send the rest completing my end and then you send the game completing your end
ARA1616 [7:14 PM]: that way is YOUR way. I will pay for shipping so you make 3 dollars off of it
TRUSTcompany1013: i will send the game out after receiving the money back....
TRUSTcompany1013: but....
ARA1616: i just sent you 16.80 that is half of 33.60
TRUSTcompany1013: lets say i wrote the letter and you sent the money to me, then i didnt send the game out (which i will, this is just hypothetical)....what would you then do with the letter? you couldn't do anything because you would just get into big time trouble for fraud....you couldnt tell someone the whole story...and then if i got approached on it, i would just tell them the truth to cover my ass....
TRUSTcompany1013: so i am doing you a favor now....give me the full amount and i promise to send you the game back
TRUSTcompany1013: if you happen to piss me off, then ill just report your fraudulent ways to the proper authorities
TRUSTcompany1013: so stop pissing me off and get it over with
TRUSTcompany1013: if you stop now, everything will be fine, i will send you the game and levae you be....after you send the full amount
ARA1616: you have to be far, you wanted the money before you sent the game that is what i am doing. i am taking a chance on newver receiving the game just end this
ARA1616: fair*
ARA1616: i gave you half i will give you the othe half. you have won
ARA1616: and i am paying for ahipping
ARA1616: just send the letter
ARA1616: please, i do not see why this is so impossible to resolve. i am doing everything the way you wanted before
TRUSTcompany1013: i have not won
TRUSTcompany1013: even if you pay me $100, you would have won as long as i havent told anybody about your scam
TRUSTcompany1013: i am not being ridiculous
TRUSTcompany1013: i am asking for what is mine after ive been cheated
ARA1616: i want the letter
TRUSTcompany1013: i will not cheat you
TRUSTcompany1013: are you retarded?
TRUSTcompany1013: i could walk away with half of the money right now if i watned
ARA1616: i gave you what you want now give me something i want.. be fair
TRUSTcompany1013: i could've just signed off and never spoken with you again
TRUSTcompany1013: i am not that type of person
TRUSTcompany1013: i just want to settle this, if i didnt...i would've been gone after receiving half of the payment
TRUSTcompany1013: you didnt give me what i want
TRUSTcompany1013: you gave me half of what i want
TRUSTcompany1013: would you like me to break the disc in half and send you half of it?
ARA1616: how do i know that once i send the rest you wont keep the money and the game and try to screw me over? i gave you proof i will send the money i need prof you will end this
TRUSTcompany1013: i dont think so
TRUSTcompany1013: so stop playing games
ARA1616: i am nmot asking for the gmae before the money
TRUSTcompany1013: before i start calling you names because of how badly you are pissing me off...
TRUSTcompany1013: i will tell you one last time
TRUSTcompany1013: you screwed me over
TRUSTcompany1013: not the other way around
TRUSTcompany1013: isnt it a bitch when you screw someone over and then you have to trust them?
TRUSTcompany1013: not to screw you over?
TRUSTcompany1013: hypocritical huh?
ARA1616: i did not do anything wrong
TRUSTcompany1013: you know you did
TRUSTcompany1013: so stop playing games
ARA1616: here is your damn money i just want to end this, i do not thnk you understand
TRUSTcompany1013: if you didnt do anything wrong
TRUSTcompany1013: you wouldnt be so worried now
ARA1616: THERE
ARA1616: NOW SEND THE LETTER
TRUSTcompany1013: you do realize that if you dont receive the game for some reason, theres nothing you can do about it, right?
ARA1616: i want the letter
TRUSTcompany1013: can you answer that?
ARA1616: ok sure keep the frggn game for all i care
ARA1616: just do your part
TRUSTcompany1013: are you going to tell the cops that you tried to scam someone and then when they caught your scam, they got you back
ARA1616: send the damn letter
TRUSTcompany1013: thanks for telling me to keep the game
TRUSTcompany1013: i have it saved in an im
ARA1616: i ahve your word samved in IM as well
ARA1616: i have ths whole convo
TRUSTcompany1013: word on what...that i wont persue legal actions?
ARA1616: why are you doing this? i gave you what you want now send the letter so we can go on with our lives
TRUSTcompany1013: the last thing we agreed on was me keeping hte game
TRUSTcompany1013: so far the last things we've agreed on is you sending the money, me keeping the game, and me not pursuing legal actions
TRUSTcompany1013: one more thing b4 we go our separate lives
TRUSTcompany1013: leave me positive feedback
TRUSTcompany1013: saying i paid, im a good ebayer, would work with again, blah blah blah
TRUSTcompany1013: and then leave you positive feedback stating that you're a good ebayer, received item fast, great item, just as described A+, blah blah blah
ARA1616: im signing off, i did my part you do yours i am not doing any more goodbye
TRUSTcompany1013: instead of leaving that you're a scam and that ppl shouldn't buy from you, contact me if you want the convo, blah blah blah
TRUSTcompany1013: i guess you want the negative feedback
Auto response from ARA1616: I am away from my computer right now

[Zephry]

Thats awesome. At least she didn't disappear like most of them do. Congrats.

[howlinmad]

Wait you turned down getting back the majority of your money over three dollars? So now you're left with a game and no refund. Or am I missing something?


What I was thinking. $3.00 lesson much better than what he will lose if he keeps trying to prove the s/h point. Regardless of how trustworthy he is, they have the upperhand of having his money. They went above and beyond what most would have done to solve their wrong, I'd just take it and deal with it.

[manofpeace20]

If you really want to mess with this persons head, I'd play up the fact that I have their address and could easily send the cops after them. Its bluff, but it would work.

[The Successful Dropout]

but i am a mastermind and got the whole amount back, plus $3 extra (now that i dont have to ship the game out), plus the game for free...

that was directed to howlinmads post

[Zephry]

Whew... all that trouble over 3 dollars. Yes its the right thing to do... but no need to stress yourself out over 3 dollars. Take a breath and enjoy the game.

[The Successful Dropout]

Whew... all that trouble over 3 dollars. Yes its the right thing to do... but no need to stress yourself out over 3 dollars. Take a breath and enjoy the game.

$3 isn't much to me...but the fact that it was that much to the scammer, made it way more valuable to me...if you can't see that, then you're just not an asshole :twisted:


PS: don't forget the free game...and probably positive feedback...and the knowing that someone has just shit their pants and will never pull another scam again

[deathcabforcutie]

hey, dunno if this has been done before.. but what if we started a community list, similar to the trading feedback one, that stated which ebayers were NOT safe to deal with.. because ive been ripped off before and hate it, and anything to lesson the burn would be great..

[Zephry]

It's easier for me to let it go than crying on my pillow at night. :)

[The Successful Dropout]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11554&item=5308272 788

looks like she bought these for the shitting of her pants...lmao

[Zephry]

hey, dunno if this has been done before.. but what if we started a community list, similar to the trading feedback one, that stated which ebayers were NOT safe to deal with.. because ive been ripped off before and hate it, and anything to lesson the burn would be great..

I thought that was what the eBay feedback system was for?!?!

[bignick]

go buy yourself a suit!!! ha ha ha your femal right? ha ha ha That was awesome!

[The Successful Dropout]

It's easier for me to let it go than crying on my pillow at night. :)

i really cant read your posts...i mean i can read 'em just fine, but i cant read behind 'em...i see the "smile," so thats supposed to mean that you're kidding, but thats only if you're using it right.......either way, i wouldn't have cried about it, believe me...after a while, i would've been fine with the money back and eating the shipping....but after more and more proof of her scam came along, that fed my desire for more....what would you rather have, if you knew you could have either....$30, $33, or $33 & a game that a scammer thought was worth $33? which in her eyes, is $66 in my pocket

[coolcps]

She was still trying to deny it after you clearly showed her what you knew, thats horrible. Good job on getting your money and the game!

[deathcabforcutie]

hey, dunno if this has been done before.. but what if we started a community list, similar to the trading feedback one, that stated which ebayers were NOT safe to deal with.. because ive been ripped off before and hate it, and anything to lesson the burn would be great..

I thought that was what the eBay feedback system was for?!?!

yeah, but if someones sold 100 items, and ripped 3 people off.. 3 negs dont look like anything compared to 100 positives... thats what i had happen to me (120 somthing feedbacks, but then she ripped over 30 pepople off at the same time and closed the ebay account before anyone left feedback, what a bitch..)

[Dead of Knight]

:applause:

I am in awe.... both of her complete stupidity and your mad skillz.....

[The Successful Dropout]

:applause:

I am in awe.... both of her complete stupidity and your mad skillz.....

thank you, thank you...please, if autographs are a must...line up in a single file line behind the yellow tape :wink:

[scsg75]

wow, now that's impressive trust. Good work.

[Tennisjon2002]

:applause:

I am in awe.... both of her complete stupidity and your mad skillz.....

thank you, thank you...please, if autographs are a must...line up in a single file line behind the yellow tape :wink:

ME FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dead of Knight]

The new topic title now reminds me of Chappelle's show infamous Rick James skit: "Now, Darkness, the tables have turned! Do with him whatever you like!"

[Sartori]

Your problem is this: you opened it knowing that it wasn't sealed. Now you sound like a fraud because you opened it despite "knowing" it was not sealed.

[Scorch]

We are not going to send you the money not knowing if you will ever send the item. That is not how it works with any business you will see online.

Oh, you mean.. like.. Ebay? :roll: Or every other online business, for that matter.

Way to catch the scammer. :applause:

[mookiemeister]

This reminded me of my experience a few weeks ago when I bought a NEW but UNSEALED DVD from ebay. At least that's what the auction description said. When I received the DVD, I found that the case is defective and the disc is scratched in numerous places. I wrote to the seller to let him know that I'm disappointed with the DVD and that it wasn't NEW as described. The seller responded and said I lied and that it was NEW when it was shipped to me. I then took some photos of the defective case and scratched disc and sent him the photos. But he still called me a liar. Oh well...

I think some of ebay sellers are very 'liberal' in their interpretation of what's considered NEW.

[eldad9]

Yeah, if you're nice to assholes like these, they just walk all over you.

The only time I ever had a problem like that, I was nice to the assholes, and they walked all over me by doing exactly what I asked them to do (refund a few dollars, the difference between the new and used price).

So I'll just keep being nice to assholes and let them walk all over me. Maybe even to ones that think I'm stalking them on this site, and question my sexuality (which is pointless; I wouldn't sleep with them regardless).

[hohndog]

I would contact PayPal immediately to get your money back due to a fraudulent transaction. They will contact the seller and give him/her a deadline to resolve this matter. After the deadline, they refund your money and freeze their account. You will only get the amount you spent on PayPal, so you will have to foot the shipping charges to return the item. Send it certified, so you have proof it was received. Then, leave major negative feedback so other gamers won't fall victim to this crrok.

[Dead of Knight]

Are any late posters actually READING the thread? Seems like they just read the first post instead of looking towards the end and seeing Trust got all his money back....

[Scorch]

I would contact PayPal immediately to get your money back due to a fraudulent transaction. They will contact the seller and give him/her a deadline to resolve this matter. After the deadline, they refund your money and freeze their account. You will only get the amount you spent on PayPal, so you will have to foot the shipping charges to return the item. Send it certified, so you have proof it was received. Then, leave major negative feedback so other gamers won't fall victim to this crrok.

You should read the replies as well.

[The Successful Dropout]

Your problem is this: you opened it knowing that it wasn't sealed. Now you sound like a fraud because you opened it despite "knowing" it was not sealed.

Correction: My problem WAS that. Either way, I've explained it before, but i know its undoubtedly buried deep within this thread somewhere. The reason that I opened it is because she may have bought it from gamestop or electronic boutique and it could've been a dislpay copy. I was trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. I am not a collector in the sense that I don't open my games. I do open my games, thats the reason games are made, so they can be enjoyed. I opened it to see if the disc was scratched up or not, to see if I had a problem or not...I didn't want to create a hassle if thier wasn't a hassle to create. That is my way of thinking and I stand by it. I don't know what the problem is, I worked myself into getting more then almost anyone could've gotten out of this. At one point, I thought I could get her to pay me more then what she owed me, but I didn't want to step into the illegal department myself.

[The Successful Dropout]

Are any late posters actually READING the thread? Seems like they just read the first post instead of looking towards the end and seeing Trust got all his money back....

I'm starting to think the same thing...I'm just glad that I could amuse the few that took the time to stick by my side during this whole thing and read the novel that I posted.

[XxFuRy2Xx]

Good job dude, you friggin rock!

[MeGaWC27]

phew just finished reading the conversation...
damn that was long...

Nice job getting your money back (and a lil extra bak :twisted: )

[thingsfallnapart]

Trust you are smart for what you did.

i think sometimes the difference between really smart, and just smart, is the ability to work your intelligence level with different kinds of people.

[The Successful Dropout]

Trust you are smart for what you did.

i think sometimes the difference between really smart, and just smart, is the ability to work your intelligence level with different kinds of people.

so am i just smart or really smart? :lol:

[magilacudy]

Nice job. Trust, you are really smart. :)

[kristianator]

so.. now that you got your money back and got to keep the game as well..

i'll give you 5 for it?

AND.. I'LL pay the three dollar shipping :D

[The Successful Dropout]

lol...i wont buy used games unless their is no way to find them brand new...or unless the brand new price is over a ridiculous amount of money with no hopes of ever getting cheaper..............but on the otherhand, i will take a free used game...with a nice little side story to go with it...if i sold it to you, would you be willing to tell your grandchildren the story of how you got it in about 45 yrs or so?

[goatindaruffness]

You should've just bought the game used for 9.99 like you said...
You screwed yourself...
-Goatman

[BigHow]

Now that it's all said and done, I'm wondering if you got the MGS2 demo disc as well?

Looking at the all the drama makes me thankful for the ZOE auction that I won earlier this week. Even though it was used, the game was in minty fresh condition, contained the demo, and, because I used a BIN, the seller gave me free (?!?) overnight FedEx shipping.

[Mustang O-Line 75]

You should contact paypal about that right now

you can get your money back and then you can be happy with all the stuff you have



just kidding, I read the whole thing

that's what you gotta do when you are getting screwed over.
use your intelligence to their disadvantage

[Dead of Knight]

the seller gave me free (?!?) overnight FedEx shipping.

WTF that must have cost a fortune! :shock:

[The Successful Dropout]

Now that it's all said and done, I'm wondering if you got the MGS2 demo disc as well?

Looking at the all the drama makes me thankful for the ZOE auction that I won earlier this week. Even though it was used, the game was in minty fresh condition, contained the demo, and, because I used a BIN, the seller gave me free (?!?) overnight FedEx shipping.

yup...got the demo disc as well...not that that really does anything for me, id still rather have the sealed game...but im definitely not gonna bitch over free stuff....

[Tom]

Now that it's all said and done, I'm wondering if you got the MGS2 demo disc as well?

Looking at the all the drama makes me thankful for the ZOE auction that I won earlier this week. Even though it was used, the game was in minty fresh condition, contained the demo, and, because I used a BIN, the seller gave me free (?!?) overnight FedEx shipping.

yup...got the demo disc as well...not that that really does anything for me, id still rather have the sealed game...but im definitely not gonna bitch over free stuff....
Did ZOE ever come without the demo? I am wondering because I just got ZOE for $10 and it had the MSG2 demo with it. (it was also in flawless condition, thank you game exchange and your anal scratch policies when trading in games.)

[BigHow]

Now that it's all said and done, I'm wondering if you got the MGS2 demo disc as well?

Looking at the all the drama makes me thankful for the ZOE auction that I won earlier this week. Even though it was used, the game was in minty fresh condition, contained the demo, and, because I used a BIN, the seller gave me free (?!?) overnight FedEx shipping.

yup...got the demo disc as well...not that that really does anything for me, id still rather have the sealed game...but im definitely not gonna bitch over free stuff....
Did ZOE ever come without the demo? I am wondering because I just got ZOE for $10 and it had the MSG2 demo with it. (it was also in flawless condition, thank you game exchange and your anal scratch policies when trading in games.)

Some people trade away the demos separately. So you've got to be careful.

[kristianator]

if you let me have it for free, i'll encrust that entire aim convo on my gravestone.

[DOMINATOR912]

That was a DAMN GOOD response you gave them. Plus, add this if they give you more hassle, something like: "If you were such a reputable business, then you should have noticed that all new PS2 games come sealed at the top. Now if you didn't notice the seal was gone when you purchased it from your third party, then you're a damn idiot. And if you didn't know that all PS2 games come sealed at the top, then you're a bigger idiot than I thought".

[davidmt]

Very nice job Trust - I'm impressed with how that turned out.

[ctice44]

Hey TrustCo,
Here’s what I found out after you posted the auction where your game came from
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8114813 585#ebayphotohosting
In the auction they bought: Onimusha, Tekken 4, Virtua Fighter 4, Tokyo Extreme Racer Zero, Zone of the Enders, The Bouncer, Dynasty Warriors 3, and Twisted Metal Black for the low price of $51.00. And resold 5 of those games (see below) for almost a $14.00 profit!! If they try to give you more crap or try to say they “didn’t know it wasn’t new, that’s how we got it” , then send them the link to the auction they bought the gaes from and send them these links. I would also contact eBay and possibly these other buyers so that other people are aware of it.
One word.........BUSTED!!!!!!
Onimusha Warlords (sold for $8.24- “sealed new”):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8119349 632&rd=1

Tekken 4 (Did not sell-probably will resell later):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8119330 334&rd=1

Virtua Fighter 4:
Could not locate- Probably kept or will sell in the future.

Tokyo Extreme Racer Zero (sold for $8.49- “sealed new”):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8119355 058&rd=1

Zone of the Enders (sold for $22.25- “sealed new”):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8119347 506&rd=1

The Bouncer (sold for $15.50- “like new”):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8119564 914&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Dynasty Warriors 3:
Could not locate- Probably kept or will sell in the future.

Twisted Metal Black (sold for $10.00- “sealed new”):
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8119340 489&rd=1

So, they buy 8 games for $51.00 and resell 5 of them for $64.48...and they get to keep 3 games and turn over a $13.48 profit, what crap!

[Dead of Knight]

Hot damn ctice, nice work.

[TheRock88]

I spent about 20 min reading through the whole thing and it was well worth it. Way to go Trust.http://forums.operationsports.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/y220e.gif

[Graystone]

ARA1616: i will give you 343.60 OK?

deal you should hold them to that.
I have a problem but I am the seller I am selling el wire my description says please email for shipping rates to canada.
and I have it as buy it now for 3.25 for one foot & 5.50 for shipping. the guy paypals me 8.75 and says in the paypal note he wants 3 feet of blue and prioity shipping (starts at 7.00) he is in canada. i have emailed him 5 times in 4 days no response he is a new bidder with no fb and I have over 300 postive fb and no negs.

[k e r r i]

good job Trust \:D/

[BigHow]

the seller gave me free (?!?) overnight FedEx shipping.

WTF that must have cost a fortune! :shock:

I know! I think he must have gotten it for free from his work or something. If he didn't, he's definitely the most generous soul I've met on eBay.

[Delta]

return them to paypal. paypal will give you your money back and debit his bank account.

heee haaaa!!

[dafoomie]

I hope you leave them negative feedback after all this... Even though they eventually (and reluctantly to say the least) rectified the situation. This is clearly a scam artist and others should be warned about it.

[thatstoobad]

I hope you leave them negative feedback after all this

that's actually what i was going to say.

she'll leave you positive feedback, thinking "well, i blew this one, but at least no one else will know" and then you can crush her soul even further by leaving negative feedback saying something like "sells used products as new. scammer should be banned!" or something like that. although you did get to keep the game, but that could kind of be the icing on the cake.

[biggestinuyashafan]

howlinmad,the point is to not let a scammer cheat you when you didn't do anything wrong (great when you can prove they scammed you like trustcompany did).

trustcompany,awesome job. if i had read this post before i would have agreed with you the whole time and i would have used my brand new ebay account to screw this person over (mainly because i will probably never use ebay cause i dont trust people on there.)

[suko_32]

Trustcompany, it was amazing that you never gave up, though I probably woulda done the same thing sorta. You should write a book about this. It took me forever to read all these post on a T Mobile Blackberry, it can go on the net but can only see text. Oh and congradulations on your free game!

[guardian_owl]

What an odyssey, bravo :D

[BlueWingX]

Wow... I work in the ebay dept. at a comic store, so we run into all kinds of people. (The worst was a guy who wanted us to open a FF7 statue to prove that it was mint in box, which would have competely ruined the point of it being mint in box. So he contacted the other bidders on the statue to warn them that we were trying to scam them because we wouldn't open the box for him...) However, you receive the Dealing with Ebay Jackasses award of the year. Very well done! Some people will try to get away with anything, won't they?

[The Successful Dropout]

thanks for your detective work ctice

once i receive feedback from her, i will leave in her feedback a link to this thread...if that is a good idea...is it?

[dafoomie]

I'd link to a quick explanation of her buying those games on ebay and reselling them as new, with links to this... No one is going to want to wade through this for a full explanation (unless you just sum it up in your first post with the ebay links).

[The Successful Dropout]

yeah...but where would a put the quick explanation? on cag?

[ragepower]

the suit comment was so clutch, I'm still laughing !

[GameDude]

I have a factory sealed copy of it. I'll ship it for $30. PM if interested.

[dsullo]

this is a great thread. I can't wait for the next update

[bignick]

thanks for your detective work ctice

once i receive feedback from her, i will leave in her feedback a link to this thread...if that is a good idea...is it?

you are not suppose to link to other web sites in feedback, I have done it with no problems though. Just leave out the http://www

[CheapyD]

TC, you belong in the CAG hall of fame.

[Trakan]

good job trust, that was awesome

[The Successful Dropout]

TC, you belong in the CAG hall of fame.

I'll take that as the highest compliment so far. Thanks Cheapy. I feel like I've just been knighted.

[manofpeace20]

Trust, who is that in your avatar?

[wubb]

Damn, I was going to say that you probably have to give them the benefit of the doubt that they didn't realize the game wasn't new. (Though I would agree that as a selller you have an obligation to inspect what you're selling to insure it is new or whatever.)

But after cite's smoking gun I say let 'em fry. Honestly, I think you should ship them their game back, but if it were me I would probably keep the game, too. Think of how many people would have probably just rolled over in your position and been screwed? OTOH, I wouldn't want to deal with them coming back and claiming I was supposed to ship them the game back and never did.

This is a good lesson for me in the future though. If something sold as new and sealed looks fishy I'll contact the seller before I open anything and say if they aren't comfortable with my opening it to check if it's new that I want to send it back for a full refund in the same 'sealed' state I received it.

[SilveRaven]

It took me a long time to read through the entire thing but it was definately worth it. Kudos to you Trust for sticking with it. That is the only way scamming on Ebay is truly going to stop, when the scammers get caught and then called on it.

[mytoy333]

Post an immediate complaint with Paypal-they will lock up the funds until the dispute is handled-and it is usually in the buyers favor. Also file a complaint at the Square trade site on Ebay. Include all of the facts and let them handle it>Both work very effectively

[Tromack]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only reason human civilization has existed so long is our love for revenge and our fear of revenge. Good job trust, I'm glad you got this fucker.

[friedram]

Go! Cool.

[danh920]

nice work tc, pain in the nutz to read all that, but entertaining nontheless

[Gosha]

Did the game even come with the MGS2 demo? If it didn't then it is obviously used.

[chaostic_2k1]

I would have never even considered returning the game. hell, I would'va just made up some fake aim convo's and wrote to both ebay and paypal saying I never received it. I salute your patience with idiots and scammers.

-Plus, I never knew girls would do that type of thing. That idiot has ruined my whole image of girls world wide.... Burn her house down... with her in it.... tied down to metal pipes....

[The Successful Dropout]

lmao at the "girls" comment....assholes come in all forms, shapes, and sizes...some are just dumber then others....the job of being one was meant for guys, but hey, woman want their rights too, goddamnit!

anyways, i never thought about telling her that i never received it...that might've worked, but i was trying to be as honest as possible until i found out how dishonest she was ...chances are, she would've said "tough luck" for not asking to purchase insurance

[defender]

Sorry TC but I think you handled it all wrong.

Sure you got your way..was it fair? Maybe. But personally I think you were being rude from the start. If you were an Ebay seller you would know that dealing with people like you are the reason that sellers hate Ebay buyers. There was no reason for most of your comments to them. When you got it you noticed it was not new. You shouldn't have opened it and contacted them asap about it. They don't seem like the smartest people but you weren't smart either. You just made yourself into a giant asshole until you got what you wanted. Good for you....you have great character when diplomatically dealing with a problem like an adult.

I guess I am glad you got what you wanted in the end..but I really think you went about it entirely like a child would. Always first emails should be as polite as possible to give the seller or buyer the benefit of the doubt..there is always time to get rude and nasty but once you go that route you can't turn around and be nice.

Enjoy.

[bignick]

Sorry TC but I think you handled it all wrong.

Sure you got your way..was it fair? Maybe. But personally I think you were being rude from the start. If you were an Ebay seller you would know that dealing with people like you are the reason that sellers hate Ebay buyers. There was no reason for most of your comments to them. When you got it you noticed it was not new. You shouldn't have opened it and contacted them asap about it. They don't seem like the smartest people but you weren't smart either. You just made yourself into a giant asshole until you got what you wanted. Good for you....you have great character when diplomatically dealing with a problem like an adult.

I guess I am glad you got what you wanted in the end..but I really think you went about it entirely like a child would. Always first emails should be as polite as possible to give the seller or buyer the benefit of the doubt..there is always time to get rude and nasty but once you go that route you can't turn around and be nice.

Enjoy.

Thats why when I sell, I always include, "as-is, no returns" That solves any problem. I had people try to tell me there was no mag-lite in the package I sent them. I know it was total BS because I checked each one. Buyers suck.

[thingsfallnapart]

i wouldnt really consider this lady a scammer, maybe she was new to video game selling and bought this game from eb or gamestop, who sold her a last copy, they sealed it for her and she didnt know what these stores do, hence she thought it was "new/sealed"...easy to fool the untrained eye.

[ww3676]

I agree with Defender on this one. Trustcompany basically bullied the seller until he got himself a free game for nothing. The woman was nothing but polite and Trustcompany was nothing but rude and threatening the whole time.
Yes, you were sent a used game that was marked as new. But looking at the sellers feedback and other auctions, how did you conclude that this automatically is a scammer? They have had nearly a year of flawless transactions, plus they were more than reasonable in letting you return it. Don't you think a real scammer wouldn't have such a reputation, nor be as willing to negotiate with you.
I've seen e-bullies in action, and you are definately one of them. You were not satisfied with a full refund of your purchase, and even after you were given the game, and all of your money back, you were still making demands!
Shame on you trust company, I hope being an a**hole and pushing people around makes you feel better about youself.

[The Successful Dropout]

Sorry TC but I think you handled it all wrong.

Sure you got your way..was it fair? Maybe. But personally I think you were being rude from the start. If you were an Ebay seller you would know that dealing with people like you are the reason that sellers hate Ebay buyers. There was no reason for most of your comments to them. When you got it you noticed it was not new. You shouldn't have opened it and contacted them asap about it. They don't seem like the smartest people but you weren't smart either. You just made yourself into a giant asshole until you got what you wanted. Good for you....you have great character when diplomatically dealing with a problem like an adult.

I guess I am glad you got what you wanted in the end..but I really think you went about it entirely like a child would. Always first emails should be as polite as possible to give the seller or buyer the benefit of the doubt..there is always time to get rude and nasty but once you go that route you can't turn around and be nice.

Enjoy.

i just wanna comment by saying that i never did like you defender...still dont....she was a scammer and i pretty much knew it from the start....you could tell from the whole conversation that her and i were having that she didn't want to budge anywhere with refunding me....she would've walked all over me if i would've let her, but sorry...i don't get walked on....ive already went over the reason why i opened the game, if thats not good enough for anybody, oh well....id do it again if i had to....also, from the looks of the conversation, she would've claimed that after i sent it back to her, that i resealed it (after all, she already knew that she resealed it herself)....i exposed a scammer and you're either with me or with them....hmmm, i'm never buying from your site

as for ww3676....how did i conclude that this was automatically a scammer? i have a good sense for things....i am not sure what all of the "all of a sudden" complaints are about....it is obvious that she bought games for the sole purpose of selling them....without immediate proof, i was able to uncover it....if you like sellers on ebay giving you an $8 game when you purchased a $30 game, then thats on you....go to your local ma & pa store and when you see a game that you want, pay them $22 more for it....they need the money more, and they're honest about it...........i've already concluded that i am an asshole when im wronged, and i was wronged (obviously).....

ww3676, i didnt entirely read your post til just now....i just assumed it was up defenders ass....but i see that you're just a dumbfuck...how am i an e-bully? did you even read half of it? b4 posting ever again in your life, read the whole thread, or at least note that you haven't....to think that you're calling me the bad guy for screwing over a scammer, its just plain ridiculous....what are you, her husband? their really is no logical explanation for why you would completely take her side....i feel stupid replying to your post because of how stupid your post was....it just doesn't make sense

[Dead of Knight]

Don't listen to those lame replies, Trust, you were in the right.

"The woman was nothing but polite"? Did you even read the AIM conversations? The woman was nothing but retarded.

[defender]

At least you are mature about criticism.

I don't have anything against you..you can hate me all you want as it doesn't bother me one bit. If it makes you feel better in life acting how you do..then more power to you.

I don't know you...and I don't care to know you...and guess what ... YOU DON"T KNOW ME EITHER.

I ain't down with the flame-war bait. Have a nice day.

[The Successful Dropout]

At least you are mature about criticism.

I don't have anything against you..you can hate me all you want as it doesn't bother me one bit. If it makes you feel better in life acting how you do..then more power to you.

I don't know you...and I don't care to know you...and guess what ... YOU DON"T KNOW ME EITHER.

I ain't down with the flame-war bait. Have a nice day.

good thing you're not down with the flame-war bait, 'cause i didnt' set any out....i only tell the truth, and if the truth hurts...have fun crying about it....."if it makes you feel better in life acting how you do"....i am the biggest gentleman in the world when everything is cool....when no1 is trying to harm and/or screw me, my family, or my friends....i don't play games, i quit school cuz of recess....as for hating you...i dont hate you, i just don't like you....i have better things to do then hate ppl on the internet, trust me....i just don't understand what you don't understand about the situation...and instead of responding to make it clear why you're taking a scammers side over someone who didn't deserve scamming, you took the easy way out...

edited to correct an error: failure to include the word "not" in down with the flame war at the beginning

[The Successful Dropout]

Don't listen to those lame replies, Trust, you were in the right.

"The woman was nothing but polite"? Did you even read the AIM conversations? The woman was nothing but retarded.

thanks dead of knight, i know i have more ppl on here agreeing with me and cheering me on then not....the ppl who are giving me crap, obviously didn't read the whole thread....i assure you that if this would've happened to defender, he would've been as pissed as i was, and probably not smart enough to stand tall like me in the end...it just stuns me to think that someone would feel sorry for her...."aww, she didn't screw you over, aww...you ruined her chance to buy more used games with that $30 to be able to scam others"....i'm assuming that if it were a guy, it would've made a big difference in some of these negative responses....as said b4, assholes come in all shapes and sizes, and ill be one when needed, as well as im sure everyone else....

[defender]

Don't listen to those lame replies, Trust, you were in the right.

"The woman was nothing but polite"? Did you even read the AIM conversations? The woman was nothing but retarded.

If you read my post...I never said that TC was wrong. I just said he went about it wrong. I also clearly stated I was happy that he got his way. Working in retail and on Ebay for many years has taught me lots of things...one of them is that being nice when there is a problem often leads to faster results. You can also make a friend. He would most likely have gotten what he wanted just by friendly negotiating and stating his desires fairly.

If you ask me the seller is a retard...do I think she is a scammer...maybe..maybe not. They way people treat other people should really be how they would like to be treated. I feel bad that TC feels he has to be unkind, rude, and nasty to get his way. Usually this is the type of customer I have to call the cops on to get booted from my store while the cops politely explain to them that they have to leave my store and THEY WON"T GET THEIR WAY. Customers who come in with a proper attitude and a willingness to listen as well as negotiate always come out well. They make me feel like they will continue to shop at my store if I do the right thing for them. What's the advantage for me to help someone screaming saying they are never gonna shop in my store again?

Basically when TC tells me he doesn't like me he is saying that I dont have to be nice to him at all since he isnt gonna be nice to me. I don't view it that way. I try to be nice to everyone...even people I don't like.

[defender]

Don't listen to those lame replies, Trust, you were in the right.

"The woman was nothing but polite"? Did you even read the AIM conversations? The woman was nothing but retarded.

thanks dead of knight, i know i have more ppl on here agreeing with me and cheering me on then not....the ppl who are giving me crap, obviously didn't read the whole thread....i assure you that if this would've happened to defender, he would've been as pissed as i was, and probably not smart enough to stand tall like me in the end...it just stuns me to think that someone would feel sorry for her...."aww, she didn't screw you over, aww...you ruined her chance to buy more used games with that $30 to be able to scam others"....i'm assuming that if it were a guy, it would've made a big difference in some of these negative responses....as said b4, assholes come in all shapes and sizes, and ill be one when needed, as well as im sure everyone else....

I never disagreed with the fact that you were right. Try to look past that I made the post and read it again.

[The Successful Dropout]

Don't listen to those lame replies, Trust, you were in the right.

"The woman was nothing but polite"? Did you even read the AIM conversations? The woman was nothing but retarded.

thanks dead of knight, i know i have more ppl on here agreeing with me and cheering me on then not....the ppl who are giving me crap, obviously didn't read the whole thread....i assure you that if this would've happened to defender, he would've been as pissed as i was, and probably not smart enough to stand tall like me in the end...it just stuns me to think that someone would feel sorry for her...."aww, she didn't screw you over, aww...you ruined her chance to buy more used games with that $30 to be able to scam others"....i'm assuming that if it were a guy, it would've made a big difference in some of these negative responses....as said b4, assholes come in all shapes and sizes, and ill be one when needed, as well as im sure everyone else....

I never disagreed with the fact that you were right. Try to look past that I made the post and read it again.

i read your post in full...and ill highlight the things that i didn't sit well on

"If you were an Ebay seller you would know that dealing with people like you are the reason that sellers hate Ebay buyers."

first, i am an ebay seller occasionally...and ask me why i never have problems selling...because i state specifically what i am selling, i ship fast, and i respond fast and politely....second, "ppl like me?"....who, ppl who wont take the fall to being screwed over? do you think that i would've acted the same way if she would've sent me what i ordered? that leaves me to think that you are stupid...i treat ppl with the respect that they deserve...maybe i was wrong at first for talking to her the way that i did (without "knowing" that she was a scammer), but i already said that i might've been wrong (when first posting the first few emails)....but i had assumptions about her, very strong instincts which im usually and oddly 99% right on....so i ended up being right, sorry for that

"There was no reason for most of your comments to them."

Yes, their were no reason for most of my comments....in a world where ppl aren't walked over. Every comment that i made led to me finding the truth out about her and me getting unscrewed. Sorry that I looked out for myself and anyone else who would in the future have to deal with her.

"They don't seem like the smartest people but you weren't smart either."

hmmm....that comment was just plain stupid....to say that i wasn't smart just doesn't make sense....you can call me an asshole for being one to the one who deserved it, but i'm stupid because i was an asshole? who's the smart one here?

"You just made yourself into a giant asshole until you got what you wanted."

Yeah, I did. I won an auction on a brand new & sealed copy of a video game that I didn't think twice about being brand new & sealed. You act as if I was a baby for wanting what I paid for. I wanted to be dead even and/or over the top. I didn't do anything to deserve any less then dead even. Do you call customers at your stores assholes when they buy a video game and actually want the video game? I hope not.

"Good for you....you have great character when diplomatically dealing with a problem like an adult."

When dealing with an adult, yes....but you have to adjust your character to the character that you're dealing with. Most children don't understand adults, most adults don't understand children, most retards don't understand the obvious, and an idiot doesn't understand a genius. 'Nuff said on that one.

"but I really think you went about it entirely like a child would"

I believe that I was dealing with a child....so I adjusted my polite-o-meter accordingly. A child wouldn't have been as smart as I was. I worked the situation, uncovered the truth, got what I wanted (not initially, but i wasn't left cheated), and put a scammer in her place.

"Always first emails should be as polite as possible to give the seller or buyer the benefit of the doubt"

That is why I opened the game, to give her the benefit of the doubt. Maybe it was the last copy on the shelf at ebgames, who knows? One way to find out, open it. I'm not one to cry about opened games, but I am one to cry about paying for a used game when I specifically paid for a new one.

In the end, you have every right to post your opinion on any matter that I post about...as well as vice versa. There is no guarantee that we are always going to agree with one another, but please read the whole thread and judge me from the whole thread and not just the part that you read. I am sorry that I couldn't put anybody in my exact shoes during this whole situation. I am sure that their are feelings and senses that I felt from the one on one conversation that I personally had with the seller...that I couldn't express through a message board, but I tried my best...and you'll have to live with it or go on with your life...either way, be smart about it...please.

[defender]

believe it or not I did read the whole thread

your posts to me implied that I thought you were wrong and that I was agreeing with the seller...which you still havent acknowledged

dude..i agree with you I just thought you went about it in a way that was counter-productive

this entire thread seems to be about how you screwed over a seller a lot more than how a seller screwed you over..as the title that YOU created states

I am not one for revenge. Justice is one thing...but revenge is another. If a seller rips me off I dont suddenly create an account and start bidding on all their auctions...I take legal and appropriate measures to get my desired results which almost always works out to my favor.

[The Successful Dropout]

believe it or not I did read the whole thread

your posts to me implied that I thought you were wrong and that I was agreeing with the seller...which you still havent acknowledged

dude..i agree with you I just thought you went about it in a way that was counter-productive

this entire thread seems to be about how you screwed over a seller a lot more than how a seller screwed you over..as the title that YOU created states

I am not one for revenge. Justice is one thing...but revenge is another. If a seller rips me off I dont suddenly create an account and start bidding on all their auctions...I take legal and appropriate measures to get my desired results which almost always works out to my favor.

I understand, but some of the things you said in your post implied otherwise. And I changed the title of the thread according to the process that I was making with the scammer. I guess it can be confusing to those who weren't with me during the whole situation.

I am one for justice when it fits the situation...but I am one for revenge when it is needed.

Note: I never created an account and started bidding on all of her auctions. I'm sure that that was a "for an example," but I wanted to clear that up.

Anyways, please don't for me or against me or defender for the conversation that we are having in this thread. We have both cleared it up with each other in pm. Thanks

[defender]

Just had a nice PM with TC...

He is a good guy and I just want to say I wasn't implying ever that he did anything wrong...

I just wanted to comment on how I think it could have been handled differently.

The end result is fair enough since the seller was obviously a moron.

[ww3676]

Trust: No one is arguing the sellers side over yours. The seller did in fact sell you a used game they stated in the auction was new. Period, that is not what is up for debate here.
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However, you automatically assumed it was a scam, and on what basis? First of all, the seller has nothing but months of perfect feedback, no complaints at all.
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Secondly, they were very willing to let you return the item. If they were a scammer, don't you think they would not have responded with the level of courtesy they did? Granted, I think she was dumb to argue over the $3 for shipping, and you were in the right to ask for it back. But you did everything but hold a gun to her head and FORCED her to do so. Lucky you were facing someone who would bend so easily, and lucky this was not in a retail store or something.
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The way that thread looks to me is that it is not a scam, or at least there was not enough evidence of one to warrant your behavior right off the bat.
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Also, if you are not a bully as you claim, why did you keep pressuring the seller after she gave you ALL of your money back, AND the game! Lets say she gave you the good feedback like you requested, what were you going to ask her for next!? Blood, her first born son? When was it enough? At what point could she have possibly repayed this massive wrong she did to you? Would you not be happy until she cancelled all of her auctions and quit ebay for good?
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Lastly, I LOVE how you changed the thread title. Does that make you feel more noble now? Hail Trustcompany, great avenger of Ebay buyers everywhere! It should have stayed, "and did more screwing", which is excatly what you did. Even if she was a scammer, you went about things the wrong way. You could have reported it to ebay, maybe tried to see actual justice be done to her after she was fairly investigated. Instead you went on a vigilante kick, and tried to make the world right by taking a game from her! Scamming a scammer does not make you better than her.

[howlinmad]

but i am a mastermind and got the whole amount back, plus $3 extra (now that i dont have to ship the game out), plus the game for free...

that was directed to howlinmads post


Yeah, the rest wasn't there when I posted. You got your money back, good for you. You got a scammer to back off and they lost, good for you. In the process, you yourself became just as bad as them. You got yours, and theirs for nothing, good for you. Way to go.

You pride yourself on being honest? Maybe you have single handedly denounced the age old thought. It's quite possible that now....two wrongs indeed DO make 1 right.

Go you!

[MeGaWC27]

i wonder when will this thread die out since the event has past a while ago...

[jovherye]

One of the best threads EVER! :argue:

[chaostic_2k1]

//Secondly, they were very willing to let you return the item. If they were a scammer, don't you think they would not have responded with the level of courtesy they did? Granted, I think she was dumb to argue over the $3 for shipping, and you were in the right to ask for it back. But you did everything but hold a gun to her head and FORCED her to do so. Lucky you were facing someone who would bend so easily, and lucky this was not in a retail store or something.//
If it was a retail store, they would have exchanged it for a new same item.

//Also, if you are not a bully as you claim, why did you keep pressuring the seller after she gave you ALL of your money back, AND the game! Lets say she gave you the good feedback like you requested, what were you going to ask her for next!? Blood, her first born son? When was it enough? At what point could she have possibly repayed this massive wrong she did to you? Would you not be happy until she cancelled all of her auctions and quit ebay for good? //
Where did he keep "pressuring the seller after she gave him ALL of his money back, AND the game?"?
She finally gave him a full refund plus shipping then decided to let him keep the game to get the thing over with.

[JAMMR]

Well, technically ww3676 is right on both those accounts, chastic_2k1... the subsequent pressure was in the long IM message at the very end when it was pretty much done, tc added the feedback exchange thing.

And the thing with the retail store is that it wasn't a retail store B&M sense... the closest comparison can be made to an online retailer who, as has been said, would say "send the item back and we will issue a refund" - with the variable being customer paying for return postage.

All in all, I say more power to ya tc... I probably woulda gotten pissed and done the same thing, but honestly, that isn't the most sophisticated or practical way to get things done. And all that research into "used" games the seller purchased, while very blaring evidence, is theoretically circumstantial at best.

[BLarR]

You should sick one of those spam im'ers on her arse just for all the trouble she caused u when even knowing how wrong she was. Be a bitch like her and hold a grudge! Negative feedback, the works, the least that you could do for all the time she's taken out of your life.

[The Successful Dropout]

if a mod wants to lock this thread...be my guest....im getting sick of having to reexplain why i did what i did and why i said what i said....there are certain strong gut-feelings that i had from dealing with this scammer from the get-go on a one-on-one basis that no1 else could've felt besides the person dealing with her....i admitted to being an asshole at first because i was pissed because i was wronged....so get over it already....more ppl agreed with me then disagreed with me...and the man himself (cheapyd) agreed with me on top of that...unless some of you happened to skip over his post as well as half of the thread (being the reason that you just don't get it...unless you're retarded)

so let the thread die...a mod can lock it...its over....jesus christ ppl, some of you just apparantly don't have the lack of brain power to comprehend why you have to act certain ways to certain ppl....hence understanding why i handled the situation the way that i did...i can only hope that you're stuck in the same situation yourself....you may handle it differently, but you'll more then likely get walked over

in closing....i know im rambling on a lot, but im tired as hell....anyways, i wanna thank everyone who understood, cheered me on, took my side, and took the time to read the whole thread....much appreciation

-trust

[chaostic_2k1]

Most of the companies I buy from pay for the shipping on defective items being exchanged, not for returns.