Metal Gear Solid Series (Has anyone else fallen out of love with it?)

[jkam]

I'm just wondering...has anyone else here at one time loved the Metal Gear Solid stuff and then kind of lose interest? I played MGS1 on the PS1 and absolutely loved the game... and I still think it's a great game. Now...I played through the MGS2 demo when it came out, but only went and played some of the game recently. I just couldn't get in to it as much. I seem to want to skip past the cut scenes...something I never did with MGS1. The gameplay from an action standpoint seems dated. I really want to play through 2 and 3 but if I'm not having all that much fun I'm not sure I see the point.

[Msut77]

I would say definitely try 3, MGS 2 almost made me give up the series as well.

[Strider Turbulence]

Yeah, I have. I loved MGS 1 & 2 years ago, they were fantastic experiences (the gameplay was mediocre to borderline awful though). I never could finish part 3 and when I tried playing through MGS2 on xbox last year I gave up halfway in the game's second act.

I still have to crack open Twin Snakes one of these days to see how it stacks up to the original.

[jkam]

I still have to crack open Twin Snakes one of these days to see how it stacks up to the original.

I have one sitting on my shelf as well...unopened Non-PC...I'm starting to think I should sell it though.

[SpreadTheWord]

MGS1 - Played it about 3 years ago, loved it. Wacky bosses that were a blast to fight, fun stealth gameplay and characters/story that were interesting enough to play through the game just to see what happens.

MGS2 - Played it earlier this year. Amazing amount of detail for one game. The animation and voice work and sound were great. Once you get used to the controls (4-5 buttons to do one thing) then you could pull of some great moves. Story fell apart at the end but the characters were still interesting.

MGS3 - Started to play this earlier this year, stopped to play other games. I got to the Russian compound and I'm looking forward to picking it back up. The boss fights have been as good MGS1 and the cast is great. Some of the Kojima-isms bug me but he's kinda like the Micheal Bay of video games (in that he has a certain style, not in that he sucks). I want to know how the game ends. As long as it ends better than the second, it might be my favorite MGS.

I like what I see from MGS4. It's just one more game that makes me look forward to when the PS3 is at the end of it's cycle and I can pick it up and play all the great games for it.

[jollydwarf]

Even though I don't own a PS3 currently, my interest was building and building for Guns of the Patriots...until the last trailer. It seems as though this one might very well have a "WTS-F" (think about it) factor rivaling or even surpassing the second game.

Regardless, I'm sure it'll still be a (relatively) great game. I just don't know if I'll be missing it that much.

[VidgamesgivemeA_D_D]

Not at all. MGS 4 is the reason I'm going to buy a PS3 and MGS 3 was the best PS2 game ever made. Portable Ops is the best PSP game and MGS 1 is tied with Super Metroid for my favorite game of all time. So absolutely no.

BTW Twin Snakes is just really a port with very minor changes such as Praying Mantis saying "oh I see you like Zelda" if it's on your memory card and very slight graphics update.

[dpatel]

I did feel MGS2 was quite a bit of a step down from MGS1. That's not necessarily a bad thing though, since MGS1 was probably my favorite game of all time. At the time, I really enjoyed MGS2 all the way through, but having played it recently, its faults are much more apparent:

- Pacing of the story was terrible
- Big Shell setting was bland and uninteresting
- Dead Cell was a joke compared to Foxhound
- Cut too many corners by using codec sequences in place of cut-scenes

There were some other things wrong with it too. Still, with all that said, I did enjoy the complexity of the story which kept my interest in the series. I wish they would've presented the story better just so it didn't seem like such a mess (the actual story wasn't THAT hard to follow, but the poor pacing and presentation of it made it pretty hard).

MGS3 pretty much fixed all the complaints I had about MGS2, however the story was lacking. It was a bit too shallow and didn't keep my interest as much as MGS2 did. I enjoyed the game a lot, but I still felt MGS2 was the better experience, despite all its flaws. I look forward to MGS4, and hope they can take the strengths from MGS3, coupled with a more deeper and more complex storyline.

[PyroGamer]

Memories of MGS1 on the PlayStation are hard to beat, which makes Twin Snakes my favorite title I can play on my Wii right now.

MGS2 wasn't as good.

MGS3 was great, but it didn't do it for me personally.

MGS4 looks great... very different, though, they've completely revamped to controls to appeal to a western market more. I bet I'll like it even more for that.

[Puffa469]

YES. I have fallen out of love with the series somewhat.

MG1 on the nes was one of my favorite nes games ever. I beat it multiple times.

MGS for PS1 was incredible, I played thru it twice. Then again for the Twin Snakes version on cube, also awsome.

MGS2 for ps2... was.... boring. I had to restart it a few times before I finished finally finished it.

MGS3 Snake Eater, I played for about an hour and could no longer deal with the camera angles and all the offscreen enemies shooting me, etc.

MGS3 Subsistence: Got it on launch day but never opened it cos of its ridiculous value.

Im really not excited for 4 at all, mainly cos I dont have a ps3 (but the game doesnt make me want to get one either). And I know within a year of it coming out, a better version will be released, hopefully for the 360 as well as ps3.

[y2kenjination]

Nope. Played MGS1-MGS3 from beginning to end. MGS2 was definitely a step back for the franchise, however, the cinematics were revolutionary for its time IMO. I certainly did not enjoy playing as Raiden for 3/4 the game, and all the convoluted plot twists. MGS3 was very good...it was much harder than the other two, and had some nice implementations. However, I still enjoyed MGS1 more. While MGS: Twin Snakes had a few problems, such as the voice acting and controls at times, I freakin' loved the over-the-top Matrix-esque cut scenes (Snake can dodge missles!? Sweet). It was great to see my favorite MGS with pretty graphics.

I certainly can't wait until MGS4 comes out.

[Rodimus]

Even though it's a bit confusing at points I think the Metal Gear series has one of the best story lines in video game history. That's what makes me keep playing. One of the few series where I play through the game atleat twice.

[gamegal]

Well after playing MGS2 my IQ dropped a slight bit after hearning all the conspiracy mumbo jumbo that they said. We all know it is a group of 13 that controlls everything and the president is the peoples slave. Then that Octocon and his Step Sister was doing it and........his Sister?

The entire series is just basically just features. PLay the original Metal Gear games and will see what I mean.

[SL4IN]

personally, I've never been able to get into the metal gear series. I played 1, I currently own 2 and 3 on ps2, but I've never been able to sit down and play them. there's nothing really that draws me into it I guess.

[zerowing]

MGS1 - Played/own the Twin Snakes, great story and it sets the tone for the MGS franchise, I loved it. Actually the last one I played, but it still holds up to be an amazing game.

MGS2 - I borrowed a cousins PS2 and this game a few years back, it roped me into the MGS franchise. While the story was confusing and sometimes still doesn't make sense to me it remains one of the best games ever. The characters and gameplay were perfect.

MGS3 - My favorite of the franchise, its truly stealth gameplay without the radar, its so much fun and I love the characters and storyline once again. I think I have to say this is almost my favorite game of all time behind Super Mario World. Subsistence includes the full control camera which was a turn off to Snake Eater players, on top of what is all included in the package it really is an amazing game.

MGS4 - Played at E for All and I was amazed. The game looks beautiful and I had so much fun with all the new techniques and the Octo-Camo. It seems more action oriented from the demo but with all the new CQC moves and other sneaking posibilities I think I would rather grab some crotches instead of run and gun.

I was roped in by MGS2 so I guess I'm kind of a late comer to the MGS party, but it is one of my top 5 gaming franchises of all time and I don't forsee myself falling out of love with it unless there was a radical departure in gameplay, story, etc.

If you want to get back in, I say play MGS3: Subsistence, it has a gripping storyline and the camera controls won't piss you off. Of course the action seems dated when compared to things like Gears of War and God of War but when it comes down to it, I just enjoy the sneaking around and espionage part of MGS.

[lokizz]

i did after metal gear solid 2. that damn game was lousy storywise anyway i liked all the new stuff you could do but that damn story was such a letdown. i had heard great things about metal gear solid 3 and picked it up but that damn camera made the game so hard to play i couldnt get into it. i know subsistence has that problem remidied but its hard to find at a decent price.

[Drnick]

the original Metal Gear solid was, in my opinion, the BEST playstation 1 game ever made. I rented the game, then immediately bought it after words, I then proceeded to beat the game 4 times in a row before taking it out of my playstation (didn't play any other games for months)

I have never done that with a game in my life (I can't remember beating any game more than twice never mind 4 times), it was so well done, story line, graphics (for the time period) controls, everythign!

when MGS 2 game out I was hooked again, it wasn't as good as the first but I played through that one fast as well, and beat it 2 times back to back. when MGS 3 came out it was much more difficult and about half way through I lost interest. I don't own a PS3 or a 360 (getting an elite for X-mas) so I'm sad that I won't be able to play the 4th one, but I'm sure it won't hold a candle to the original. I still want to check out the gamecube remake one of these days.

[SNAKE EYES EX]

I'm at the point where I could care less.

MGS4 needs to play great for me to care.

[Zen Davis]

Metal Gear Solid was an amazing experience.

Metal Gear Solid 2 was unfocused and self-indulgent. Kojima got full of himself and the game suffered for it. The same way M. Night Shyamalan got full of himself and we ended up with The Village and Lady in the Water.

Metal Gear Solid 3 was uneven. It was really tragic but for videogames where fun is supposed to be key, the story felt amazing yet unfufilling and hence not so much fun. Also the game felt more like a side story to the main Metal Gear Solid storyline than a true part of the series. The final boss fight is among the best in videogame history in my opinion. Purely epic and the ending just KILLS. However in leaving the gamer with the sense of tragedy, it goes against the fun aspect of videogames. It's a victim of its media if you will. Had this been a movie it would have been awesome.

[Puffa469]

Metal Gear Solid 2 was unfocused and self-indulgent. Kojima got full of himself and the game suffered for it. The same way M. Night Shyamalan got full of himself and we ended up with The Village and Lady in the Water.
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Thats a great analogy! lol

[Apossum]

2 sucks. I've come close to finishing it only to get bored and give up. the Big Shell is boooooring.


3 Subsistence was fucking awesome, no ifs, ands, or buts.

4 will probably trounce 3.

[dothog]

I'm a fan of the series, but I'll admit that I'm one of the sissified fans who feels the control scheme has become unnecessarily complex.

I was really pissed that there wasn't a Virtual Mission or simple practice area in MGS3 that allowed me to get a feel for things. As a result I was re-learning as I went through the game and because I was doing it in the narrative, instead of in some practice area, for whatever reason I resented the controls a little more than I probably should.

I recognize that #3 is a terrific game, but it wasn't as enjoyable for me because by that time I was sick of the control. I'm no "one-button" gamer, but I do feel it shouldn't be that complex to control and enjoy a game. I'm looking forward to eventually playing #4, which is supposed to both improve and simplify the game control.

[pimpinc333]

I'm in the same boat as the OP. I loved MGS1 on PS1. Then I was super hyped to play MGS2. Got t day 1 and pretty much then stopped liking MGS as much as I did. I tried to get into and play MGS3 but half way through I just stopped playing since it didn't keep my interest.

[MarioColbert]

I have decided to get into the series, so I bought Twin Snakes a long time ago, back when I wasn't married, and my wife was just my girlfriend, and we took turns playing super mario bros. 3 at her mother's house on the original NES. (That time was bliss, actually).

What wasn't bliss was Twin Snakes* - the game had cheezy voice acting, over-dramaticised retardedness, and flatter-than-flat characters that seemed to be somewhere in between "silly" and "fucking retarded."

I told my girlfriend at the time that the story gets way better. What I meant to say is that I was TOLD that the story gets better, when in reality nothing could be further from the truth. The story is nothing special, although perhaps I'm too harsh on this game, and it was THE SHITS and then some at the time of its release.

However, the buzz surrounding Metal Gear Solid 4 prior to my witness of the E32007TrailerJizzfest did tickly my interest somewhat... So, now quite familiar with the (mediocre to unimpressive) MGS:The Twin Snakes, I have decided to investigate as to what the hell is this series about.




When he returns to the facility to destroy the Shagohod, Snake learns of The Philosophers. Made up of the most powerful men in the United States, Soviet Union, and China, they are an Illuminati (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati)-like organization who control the world behind the scenes.[25] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_3:_Snake_Eater#_note-9) However, after the end of World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II), they began to fight amongst themselves, and the organisation broke down. The money, $100 billion (about $1 trillion today when adjusted for inflation), they had amassed to fund their wars, called the Philosophers Legacy, was divided up and hidden in banks all over the world.[26] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_3:_Snake_Eater#_note-10) Volgin had illegally inherited this money,[27] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_3:_Snake_Eater#_note-11) and Snake learns that the US is attempting to retrieve it.
Snake continues his mission, destroying the facility and the Shagohod tank, while engaging Volgin, who is killed by a bolt of lightning during the battle. Snake and EVA travel to a lake, where a ground effect vehicle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekranoplan) is hidden. Before they use it to escape the region, Snake confronts his old mentor, The Boss, whom he must kill to complete his mission.[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_3:_Snake_Eater#_note-objectives) After an emotional battle, Snake overcomes his feelings and defeats her. He and EVA escape to Alaska, and spend the night together. During the night EVA disappears, and leaves behind a tape revealing herself to be a Chinese spy sent to steal the Philosophers Legacy for China.[28] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_3:_Snake_Eater#_note-12) The tape continues, and EVA reveals that The Boss did not defect to the Soviet Union; rather, she was under orders to pretend to defect so she could infiltrate Volgin's ranks and find the location of the Legacy, which could be brought back to America.[29] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_3:_Snake_Eater#_note-13) The final part of her mission was to sacrifice her honor and die at the hands of Snake, under the guise of a traitor, to prove the US's innocence in Volgin's nuclear attack from the beginning of the game.[30] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_3:_Snake_Eater#_note-14)
Snake is awarded the title of "Big Boss" and given the Distinguished Service Cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinguished_Service_Cross) for his efforts.[31] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_3:_Snake_Eater#_note-15) Later, he arrives at an anonymous grave, The Boss', just one of thousands in the huge military cemetery he visits. Laying down The Boss' gun and a bouquet of lilies upon the nameless gravestone he scans the endless rows before him, salutes, and sheds a single tear.
After the credits roll, Ocelot is heard talking (a telephone conversation) and reveals that the microfilm containing the information on the Philosopher's Legacy given to EVA was a fake, that Ocelot himself was ADAM, that half of the real legacy is in the hands of the US Government thanks to Snake, and that he was working for the CIA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA).[32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_3:_Snake_Eater#_note-16)


I don't have a degree in psychiatry, but I'm quite certain that Kojima** is insane***.




* Yep, that's what TWIN SNAKES WAS: IT WAS "WASN'T BLISS."
** Or maybe he is a genius, since I believe that this is the only post-credit roll plot twist revelation I've ever heard of.
*** "The human body is supposed to be 70 percent water. I consider myself 70 percent film." -Hideo Kojima
*** "We really can't boil a man's life down to seasonal divisions of spring, summer, autumn, and winter. Seasons cycle perennially, and we enjoy them because they recur. We should understand a man's life this way too. An elderly person may yet see new springs and summers. On the other hand, some young people never escape winter. Others become ensnared by their own private autumns." -Hideo Kojima

[RESmonkey]

1 and 2 are the best. 3 was good, but not on par with 1 and 2.

[lokizz]

Thats a great analogy! lol

yeah that what you said is dead on perfect. fuckin lady in the water was so damn bad ive tried watching it 3 times and couldnt get past the first 10 or so minutes of it. didnt kojima get pissed that american gamers said they hated the mgs2 story?

[zewone]

MGS3's ending > you

(anyone who reads this)

[Watchman]

Well after playing MGS2 my IQ dropped a slight bit after hearning all the conspiracy mumbo jumbo that they said. We all know it is a group of 13 that controlls everything and the president is the peoples slave. Then that Octocon and his Step Sister was doing it and........his Sister?


Ehht. Wrong. Otacon and his mom were doing it, much against his will. Which, when found out, caused a suicide in the family.

The conspiracy details at the end are convoluted, sure but I picked up quite a bit the second time through listening.

[Watchman]

I'll do you all one better:

Metal Gear (NES): "I feel asleep!"
And thus began my foray in the late 80's with Snake. I played that game nearly as much as I did Contra. I got to the point I didn't need to know which card to look up on the map-- I knew which card opened which door. 'S too bad they made the final boss a supercomputer rather than MG itself. That was one sweet looking bipedal on the cover.

MG 2: Snakes Revenge
*cough* moving on...

Metal Gear Solid
I ate, drank, slept, breathed this game. I found every little extra, every little bit of conversation, every trick in the book. Sometimes I'd just dart everyone and just walk around levels to see what I normally wouldn't look at. The game, the plot and the voices were just Grade-A entertainment.

Metal Gear VR Missions
Just when I thought I was good, this made me better. Like the humor on some of the missions.

Metal Gear Solid: Ghost Babel
I couldn't believe I was playing the missing link (in feel/look) between MG (NES) and MGS on a Gameboy!
Just hella fun. And the first to incorporate extra missions once finished. Bonus!

Metal Gear Solid 2
An improvement! Now I could hide the bodies! And hide by hanging over edges! Did 100 pull-ups, strengthened my grip! I'm probably one of the few people that actually liked Raiden, mostly because I saw a young Solid Snake from MG NES in him: green, untested, unsure of his own abilities, naive. Maybe the end of the tale was mired in conspiracy jargon that would make a JFK assassination theorist's head spin, but it had a hell of a final act with the fight on top of the congressional building in NYC. Jeez, I forgot all about that place when I lived there...

Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance
Definitely lived up to it's added moniker for the price. Go Tuxedo Snake!

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Like father, like son. A patriot and a soldier, loyal to the mission. More bizarre villians, and one of the most anguished, conflicted final bosses ever. The mood was amazing for fighting in a field of white flowers. The best part is: this isn't just Big Boss's story, it's Ocelot's too. Not too crazy about the introduction of the stamina gauge however-- though it did introduce me to th e Ginkgo Biloba fruit and a lot of other strange ones.

Metal Gear Acid
I hate card games like this. But man, this was definitely getting me past all of that. Wierrrrrrd story though. And you thought the end of MGS2 was convoluted. Thank goodness it wasn't canon.

Metal Gear Acid 2
Even more cards! And an added bonus: just by having 1&2 on my memory card, I automatically opened up the characters on MGS:PO!

Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence
More camos! More extras! More...naughty cutscenes!?
And really, the Paradox video with Raiden was just hilarious. No wait, make that Metal Gear Sigint-- I dare you not to laugh.

Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops
Oh my stars and heavens: the greatest thing to grace the PSP.
Granted, the hackers, cheaters, and losers for the multiplayer do suck some of the fun out the experience, as well as a rather unfair damage ratio to boss battles (they hurt you more with the same weapon than you do to them), but flawlessly pulls off the stealth genre with even less buttons than before.

Frankly, I can't wait for Portable Ops + to get here: more levels, more characters, and the ability to play both PO and PO+ owners!
...I just hope they fix the hacks. Auto-headshot from 60 yards out with a pistol on the run is highly annoying.

Guns of the Patriots will be the sole reason I will own a PS3.
I've been with Snake from the very start, and I'm gonna be there when it all ends.

So, to answer your question: Am I tired of the series?
Let's just say I don't feel alive unless I'm on the battlefield.

[RelentlessRolento]

this debate will never die.

[Pucker]

I am not a fan. Same reaons as everyone else....pretentious and pointless cut scenes and so-so gameplay that hasn't really evolved since MGS1.

I have no interest in MGS4.

[Chuplayer]

I haven't felt up to playing any of the games since around summer last year, but I did watch the MGS3 movie that came with the limited edition of Subsistence recently.

I still like the series, though. I think I just burned myself out on playing it constantly since I first discovered it with Twin Snakes in early 2004.

I got a 60gig PS3 last August pretty much just for MGS4, though. (Well, Time Crisis 4, too.) I have yet to play Portable Ops, though. Really looking forward to getting myself a PSP and that game one day.

[Blackout]

I'm probably the only guy who loved number 2. One of my favorite games. Bought it at launch and didn't put it down until I beat it.

I fuckin hated Twin Snakes. I'm not sure why either. Maybe it's because I skipped all the movies and talking since I basically had memorized them from playing it on the PS1 so much.

[RollingSkull]

Holding four buttons to shoot from crouched behind cover == phail. gg Kojima.

And, as much as I like MGS3's spy movie homage plot that was actually not completely predictable (Kojima actually bucked tradition and made the Americans or the universal "them" not the bad guys! Insane!), plus the good humor of it all, I can't help but look back at MGS2 and say "MGS3 isn't Kojima. That's Kojima." Witless conspiracy theory, post modern plots, endless backtracking and 45 minutes of non-backtracking gameplay. That's Kojima.

I'm not looking forward to MGS4.

Even though MG:GB didn't buck the tradition described earlier, it was still more awesome than MGS1 and MGS2 combined.

[gamegal]

Metal Gear is not a franchise. Metal Gear is not Lara Croft being displayed on a movie screen where you could talk back to her.

Whatever was made of Metal Gear was made by the person who created it. thing about Metal Gear was that you sneak around instead of sticking around to fight. This is why Metal Gear was fun.

About Japanese interpation of Western military themes. Yes Metal Gear embodies all themes along with Bionic Commando, Bomberking, and even Rambo or any other chuck Noris film.

The point is this was the game where you was james bond in the army and there was no trash talk.

However Metal Gear has been tied to other games like Snatcher, Hybrid Heavan, Rocket Knights, and even Contra.

Metal Gear is just in a commercial like state that is being taken advantage of thanks to the rapid advancements in 3d and Disc tech. Yes Metal Gear is still true to it's roots but the point everybody is trying to make is.

How would Metal Gear look if it just did everything it did in the original MSX and NES games?

Would Metal Gear be just as fun or boring?

Should we have live speech or sound effects mimicing live speech?

What would be really funny if Snake had a memory like in MGS2 where he remembers the PSX MGS in perfect format if snake remembers everything in 2d,

[trq]

Like most people here, I loved the first game, and DETESTED the second one, to the point that I had no intention of picking up the third. But I'm glad I did, since it's my favorite of the series. Just ... freaking ... great.

BTW Twin Snakes is just really a port with very minor changes such as Praying Mantis saying "oh I see you like Zelda" if it's on your memory card and very slight graphics update.

Yeah ... not so much. Those "very minor changes" include the mechanics from MGS2 (hiding bodies, hanging from ledges, first-person shooting, etc), entirely redone cut-scenes, a tighter, more cohesive script (such as it is), and those "very slight" graphics? Dude didn't even have a face the first time around.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Amanojaku/xxmgscompare14.jpg

[Sk]

You guys are crazy. MGS2 rocked so much. I loved the huge twist... (which took balls to do).

Also once Raiden gets that sword you can have a totally bad ass time with him.
My only beef with the game is that they should have made it so you played as Raiden and Snake with there own individual stories taking place at the same time. Now that would have been sweet.

On a side not, MGS3 is honestly one of my favorite ps2 games. The setting and the story are so sweet. You got to love that 60s cold war environment. It also was great to see the beginning of the MGS canon in the making.

[-Never4ever-]

My biggest gripe with series is that MGS3 is actually MGS0 and should have been labeled as such.

[jer7583]

Before MGS3 Subsistence I was done with the series. Thank god they know how to change things that are broken and work with the controls.

If you want to talk series that you've fallen out of love with, lets talk Gran Turismo.

[msdmoney]

I played the original Metal Gear Solid on the PS1 and the remake on the gamecube. I enjoyed them but I never had any “love for the series”.

Then I played Metal Gear Solid 2. I guess I will never understand why this series is so highly regarded. The story was a complete mess. I think the problem is the story started out with a few small twists, but each twist had to trounce the prior, and eventually it just got out of hand. Eventually you get a half hour cutscene about how nothing you played was real and the whole world is just a facade. It would be okay if the writers were subtle, but it took half hour cutscenes to get the story across. I fell asleep during one of the final cutscenes, it was just too long.

This brings us to the actual cutscenes. While I accepted cutscenes during the PS1 era, the use of cutscenes in games today is just lazy game design in my opinion, incorporate the story in the actual game. Games really need to get over their movie envy, I cringe every time I hear the word cinematic used to describe a game. I don’t want to watch a 20 minute cutscene where I am not playing the game, it completely takes me out of the experience. This is especially apparent when I watch Snake do amazing moves in the cutscenes, none of which I can actually perform with the clunky, convoluted controls in the game. Nice back flip Snake, how do I pull that move off in the game? Oh I can’t….those move are only for the cutscenes.

I’m actually somewhat interested in MGS4 because it looks like they have finally updated the controls to be more intuitive. It’s funny, I listened to a recent 1up yours podcast where they talked to one of the MGS4 developers, and they kept saying how awful and confusing the control scheme was on the previous MGS games. Yet the game got a 10, how does a game with awful controls get a 10?

I’m trying to get through MGS3 Subsistence right now, mainly because everyone raves about it, but 4 hours in, and I don’t see the appeal yet. I still feel the controls need work. But I will eventually play through the game, since the end boss fight is so highly regarded.

[MisterModest]

I loved MGS2. I love weird mindfucks like its story and ending. I'm a big David Lynch fan.

[Thomas96]

MGS 3 was too damn good.. from start to finish... playing that game definitely regenerated my love for the series. The gameplay was the same, but the story telling, the music, the ending, was just too good.. too damn good.. and I got that MGS 3 for 10 dollars..from a Gamestop holiday sale...

[MarioColbert]

In light of the landslide for MGS3 - I just want to say that I still believe that Kojima is insane in the membrane, and potentially also perhaps in the brain, but I will have to play through MGS3 prior to unleashing hate on it. Considering that it is a prequel to the series, it seems that I have no excuse, really.

Does anyone have a spare copy? :]

[cochesecochese]

Well after playing MGS2 my IQ dropped a slight bit after hearning all the conspiracy mumbo jumbo that they said. We all know it is a group of 13 that controlls everything and the president is the peoples slave. Then that Octocon and his Step Sister was doing it and........his Sister?

The entire series is just basically just features. PLay the original Metal Gear games and will see what I mean.
You said right (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157343&page=2)here (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3509845#post3509845)that you don't have a PS2. Did you play this on your Super NES or slip up a little bit there? Either man up to who you really are so we can all laugh at you for being unfunny or GTFO.

edit: Sorry for the thread jack folks, but this one really gets under my skin. Second edit for more evidence.

[PyroGamer]

You said right here (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157343&page=2) that you don't have a PS2. Did you play this on your Super NES or slip up a little bit there? Either man up to who you really are so we can all laugh at you for being unfunny or GTFO.

edit: Sorry for the thread jack folks, but this one really gets under my skin.
He could have played it on the gamecube.

[zewone]

He could have played it on the gamecube.
MGS2 wasn't ported to the GC.

[msdmoney]

MGS2 wasn't ported to the GC.

Could have played it on the xbox

[-Never4ever-]

Could have played it on the xbox

Or at a friends house . . .

I have a friend that beat all three MGS games, despite never owning a Sony system.

[cochesecochese]

According to earlier posts, he/she doesn't have an xbox either. Seems a touch daft he/she would have sat around and played through an entire game on the PS2 at somebody else's house after all the whining about it.

What seems even more unlikely is that a married mother of several children is going to have to the time to actually sit down and play through MGS2(at someone else's house no less) even after he/she has stated videogames aren't a priority and he/she is so occupied with the children, vacations, dancing, etc.

[RollingSkull]

In light of the landslide for MGS3 - I just want to say that I still believe that Kojima is insane in the membrane, and potentially also perhaps in the brain, but I will have to play through MGS3 prior to unleashing hate on it. Considering that it is a prequel to the series, it seems that I have no excuse, really.

Does anyone have a spare copy? :]

Prequel? Retcon? Rewrite? All the same thing, really. :P

[zerowing]

MGS3 is around $10 used at EBstop, auctions and cags aren't much higher.

Subsistence is worth a bit more still hovering around the $25 mark most everywhere.

[RollingSkull]

I maintain: Subsistence MAKES MGS3. The topdown camera really gheys up the game, but the free-form camera allows you to see the actual pretty scenery.

The Fury fight is ghey/10 with the fixed camera.