Going insane!

[Mr. Anderson]

OK, I must let this insane rage out of me. Why are devoted fanboys so stupid? Why? I have this friend. He loooooves the Xbox. With a passion. But he's an idiot. He does not listen to reason. Unless it means praise for the Xbox of course. We had a very lengthy game debate today. Strike 1: He says his friend opened up his Xbox and replaced the processor with a more up to date one. WHAT?! You can't do that! I tell him. Consoles can't be upgraded! Your stupid dude! he tells me. Microsoft just didn't say you could! You can if you want! What a RETARD!!! Strike 2: EGM is apparantly biased against Xbox. When I told him that Halo 2 had been delayed to the Fall, he got all defensive and said that EGM lied because they hate the Xbox. Uh, right, EGM just blatantly lies for the hell of it. Strike 3: According to him, the Xbox has sold more units than the PS2 and GC COMBINED. Right. I'm just gonna leave this one alone. Well, three strikes. He's out.

Now listen, I'm not pourin' haterade on the Xbox. I admit I do tell him that Xbox sucks, but just to piss him off. I like the big green box. But why is he so stupid?! WHY?! I dont' understand! What is wrong with his brain! And according to him, every Mario, Zelda, and Metroid game sucks. Every time I mention a Sony or Nintendo blockbuster, he just says Halo over and over again. What do I do to shut him up?!

[st0neface]

Your only answer is castration.

[Mr. Anderson]

LMAAAAAO, MY FRIENDS LAST NAME IS CASTRO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[D4rkewolfe]

That is pretty retarded. I got to be the first to admit I'm not an XBox fan, but I'm also not a Nintendo Fanboy (I definintely used to be, but I then tried other systems) or PS2 fanboy, it just seems to be that most XBox fanboys are just, well retarded.

No disrespect to all the XBox fanboys, it does not pertain to some of you...stress on the some, since it does pertain to others.

Only thing that interests me on the Box is Fable.

[doraemonkerpal]

What do I do to shut him up?! :shock:

tape his mouth shut 8)

[CaptainObviousXl]

tnt, tnt whach me explode

[msdmoney]

Is your friends name space_rover?

[SneakyPenguin]

negative reinforcement works. every thime he says x-box, halo or anyhting else for that mater, zap im w/ 50,000 volts. hell, do it just for fun. it seems to me that x-box fans arer the most irratinal out there. maybe its some form of penis envy, making up for what they dont have. they say the x-box is the best, because they know its not and theyre insecure in that fact. most can only mention halo, because it is known to be a good game. but all fanboys suck. if they had the money, they would own all three. i do :D

[XboxMaster]

Well, I don't want to hate on PS2 fanboys. But, I'm serious when I say this, through and through, when it comes to console debates, PS2 fanboys are always the most unreasonable. But, yes I agree that it is really stupid for him to say that EGM hate Xbox so they say that Halo 2 is pushed back again. Unless, EGM has a conspiracy against Xbox, hmmmm :-k .

[XboxMaster]

I'm sorry, they aren't ALWAYS the most unreasonable, just most of the time, atleast in my debates. And I'm not saying they are unreasonable because they love the PS2, it's just the points they bring up that are so stupid and not true.

[FlipSide]

Agree to disagree and move on. Its not really worth fighting over, specially if you might end up hurting each other and not being friends anymore.

[earlje]

hes a fanboy, you cant do anything about it.. he'll probably realize that in years to come. if you call him a geek, he might stop or get mad. anyway,

strike1: true you cant replace the processor with a more up to date one, but you can replace it IF and only IF his dad designed the processor which is unlikely. but, you can easily mod it, which i think is what his friend did..

strike2: i used to think EGM was leaning more on nintendo back in the N64 days.. its just that there were more quality games for the big N that time and the PS1 was flooded with crappy games. now, its so hard to decide which game to buy since most are actually good in terms of quality! EGM is the most UNBIASED mag i have ever known.. to think i used to subscribe to both EGM and Gamepro.

strike3: obviously he hasnt been reading the business news recently. worldwide sales of the PS2 rank no.1 followed by Xbox.

[redgopher]

Strike 3: According to him, the Xbox has sold more units than the PS2 and GC COMBINED.

I love my Xbox, I love my Cube, and when I get a PS2, I'll love it too. The winning system for me right now is the Cube b/c of its superior exclusive games. With that out of the way, you're absolutely right, your friend is really, really fucking stupid. I say throw him in a pit full of PS2 fanboys and let him have it. Either they'll kill eachother outright or argue until his head explodes.

[WhipSmartBanky]

Fanboys are fanboys, regardless of system.

[Indiana]

hes a fanboy, you cant do anything about it.. he'll probably realize that in years to come. if you call him a geek, he might stop or get mad. anyway,

strike1: true you cant replace the processor with a more up to date one, but you can replace it IF and only IF his dad designed the processor which is unlikely. but, you can easily mod it, which i think is what his friend did..

strike2: i used to think EGM was leaning more on nintendo back in the N64 days.. its just that there were more quality games for the big N that time and the PS1 was flooded with crappy games. now, its so hard to decide which game to buy since most are actually good in terms of quality! EGM is the most UNBIASED mag i have ever known.. to think i used to subscribe to both EGM and Gamepro.

strike3: obviously he hasnt been reading the business news recently. worldwide sales of the PS2 rank no.1 followed by Xbox.

The numbers I have seen are World Wide PS2 1st by far. Gamecube 2nd followed by Xbox.

In the US it is true that the Xbox is in second but the Xbox is doing so poorly in Japan that the Cube has outplaced it world wide.

[XboxMaster]

Of course it's doing bad in Japan, it's the first time a major game system contender hasn't come from Japan. It actually makes me happy that WE finally get more cool stuff than they do, they usually have all these awesome Japan-exclusive things.

[CaseyRyback]

Of course it's doing bad in Japan, it's the first time a major game system contender hasn't come from Japan. It actually makes me happy that WE finally get more cool stuff than they do, they usually have all these awesome Japan-exclusive things.

Actually the Atari came from America.

[peteyrose]

Fanboys are unreasonable regardless of console, but PS2 fanboys are the worst.

[bfg9k]

Of course it's doing bad in Japan, it's the first time a major game system contender hasn't come from Japan. It actually makes me happy that WE finally get more cool stuff than they do, they usually have all these awesome Japan-exclusive things.

Yeah I agree, it's kinda nice to get stuff first. It's also nice to see an american console again (that's actually selling well), it looked for a while that the jaguar was going to be the last.

[bfg9k]

Of course it's doing bad in Japan, it's the first time a major game system contender hasn't come from Japan. It actually makes me happy that WE finally get more cool stuff than they do, they usually have all these awesome Japan-exclusive things.

Actually the Atari came from America.

but it's been years since Atari released a console ;)

[terribledeli]

PS2 fanboys are by far the most unreasonable. I don't think anyone can claim there was a decent PS2 for the first six months of the console's exsistance and they fly off the handle and try to say things like The Bouncer was awesome.

They also get extremely pissy when you point out their versions are inferior to those on other consoles. Or when you insult their precious Final Fantasy series (In my opinion, extremely justified insults)

[XboxMaster]

Yay, I thought ppl were gonna not know what I was talking about when I said PS2 fanboys are the most unreasonable.

[bmulligan]

So, mr. Anderson, is your friend Castro a nine year old?

[afedock]

..Well, Strike one shouldn't really be a Strike, considering u can upgrade the processor. A company is selling modded xbox with 1.4 celerons's in them now,with 128 megs of ram (64 more then normal). People are also putting Xenium processors in them. But judging from the other 2 things he said im sure he knew nothing about this and was just bs'ing. Anyways, here is the site if u wanna check it out. http://www.friendtech.com/

[WhipSmartBanky]

..Well, Strike one shouldn't really be a Strike, considering u can upgrade the processor. A company is selling modded xbox with 1.4 xenium's in them now, but judging from the other 2 things he said im sure he knew nothing about this and was just bs'ing off the top of his head.

Right you are, ken:

http://www.gamestron.com/enhancedxbox.html

[daphatty]

I'm not trying to start a debate here but it seems that Halo is always the "Xbox Fanboy's" heavy hitter. But guess what. Halo is all they have. Their only argument. Nothing more. So when your friend says "Halo" in an arguement, point out that its a 2 year old game AND the only one he has to argue with.

[daphatty]

PS2 fanboys are by far the most unreasonable. I don't think anyone can claim there was a decent PS2 for the first six months of the console's exsistance and they fly off the handle and try to say things like The Bouncer was awesome.

They also get extremely pissy when you point out their versions are inferior to those on other consoles. Or when you insult their precious Final Fantasy series (In my opinion, extremely justified insults)

Hate to break it to ya. Madden 2001. This was far more than just decent. Only people who don't like sports titles will disagree and their opinions are biased anyway. :D

[magilacudy]

Your friend's right about one thing:

http://xbox.upgrade123.com/contentid-3.html

It is possible to upgrade an Xbox CPU up to 1.4 Ghz.. but it only works for a handful of games, namely Halo =)

Anyways, there's nothing wrong with having pride in American engineering, but at least get your facts straight ... at least the Xbox is bigger, louder and faster, more than any American car can say.. but that's best left for another thread...

[magilacudy]

Whoops sorry afedock and banky, didn't realize you had posted. I was about to post about the DreamX 4 hours ago but my friends dragged me out to a bar and I just got back. I had the response already typed up so I just pressed submit... don't player hate

[evilmax17]

I'm not trying to start a debate here but it seems that Halo is always the "Xbox Fanboy's" heavy hitter. But guess what. Halo is all they have. Their only argument. Nothing more. So when your friend says "Halo" in an arguement, point out that its a 2 year old game AND the only one he has to argue with.

It reminds me of a few years ago, with the N64 and Goldeneye. I swear to god, that's all my friends talked about.

[XboxMaster]

I'm not trying to start a debate here but it seems that Halo is always the "Xbox Fanboy's" heavy hitter. But guess what. Halo is all they have. Their only argument. Nothing more. So when your friend says "Halo" in an arguement, point out that its a 2 year old game AND the only one he has to argue with.

I'm sure PS2 has a heavy hitter, I've just never heard it, so what is it? I have a PS2 myself but can't really think of one.

[Mr. Anderson]

I'm not trying to start a debate here but it seems that Halo is always the "Xbox Fanboy's" heavy hitter. But guess what. Halo is all they have. Their only argument. Nothing more. So when your friend says "Halo" in an arguement, point out that its a 2 year old game AND the only one he has to argue with.

I'm sure PS2 has a heavy hitter, I've just never heard it, so what is it? I have a PS2 myself but can't really think of one.

Gran Turismo 3 (and soon, 4). End of discussion.

P.S. And there are no online EA Sports games for Xbox, boo ya. And all of them on PS2 support voice chat.

P.S.S. And you really can't count out all the great games either, the ones that aren't heavy hitters. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando, Jak II, Champions of Norrath, among soooo many others. And Final Fantasy XI is gonna be INSANE. You can't name many great exclusive games for Xbox. I can only think of Morrowind and soon Fable.

[XboxMaster]

I'm not trying to start a debate here but it seems that Halo is always the "Xbox Fanboy's" heavy hitter. But guess what. Halo is all they have. Their only argument. Nothing more. So when your friend says "Halo" in an arguement, point out that its a 2 year old game AND the only one he has to argue with.

I'm sure PS2 has a heavy hitter, I've just never heard it, so what is it? I have a PS2 myself but can't really think of one.

Gran Turismo 3 (and soon, 4). End of discussion.

P.S. And there are no online EA Sports games for Xbox, boo ya. And all of them on PS2 support voice chat.

P.S.S. And you really can't count out all the great games either, the ones that aren't heavy hitters. Ratchet & Clank: Going Commando, Jak II, Champions of Norrath, among soooo many others. And Final Fantasy XI is gonna be INSANE. You can't name many great exclusive games for Xbox. I can only think of Morrowind and soon Fable.

Oh no, no EA game online, LOL, and you think I care they have voice chat? I don't know if you've been living in a cave, but ALL Xbox Live enabled games have voice chat. All of you are alike, you always so, "Well, yall don't have as good as games as us." It's so much bullshit. Xbox has some good games, maybe not as many good games as PS2. But, hey, atleast the system itself is better. I mean PS2 is so slow the framrate drops on Soul Calibur on special, shiny, fast attacks.

[daphatty]

Oh no, no EA game online, LOL, and you think I care they have voice chat? I don't know if you've been living in a cave, but ALL Xbox Live enabled games have voice chat. All of you are alike, you always so, "Well, yall don't have as good as games as us." It's so much bullshit. Xbox has some good games, maybe not as many good games as PS2. But, hey, atleast the system itself is better. I mean PS2 is so slow the framrate drops on Soul Calibur on special, shiny, fast attacks.

Must... Resist... Temptation... ](*,)

See. Take away halo and what do they have? Nothing. Slow down in games does not equal poor hardware but rather, inexperienced programmers. (For examples of great programming see GT3, Metal Gear Solid 2, and soon KillZone). [-X Yes, Xbox is more powerful, but bigger isn't necessarily better. It's all in the implementation, not the specs, and the sales charts clearly depict the winner in this case. Can't argue with the facts.

[XboxMaster]

Oh no, no EA game online, LOL, and you think I care they have voice chat? I don't know if you've been living in a cave, but ALL Xbox Live enabled games have voice chat. All of you are alike, you always so, "Well, yall don't have as good as games as us." It's so much bullshit. Xbox has some good games, maybe not as many good games as PS2. But, hey, atleast the system itself is better. I mean PS2 is so slow the framrate drops on Soul Calibur on special, shiny, fast attacks.

Must... Resist... Temptation... ](*,)

See. Take away halo and what do they have? Nothing. Slow down in games does not equal poor hardware but rather, inexperienced programmers. (For examples of great programming see GT3, Metal Gear Solid 2, and soon KillZone). [-X Yes, Xbox is more powerful, but bigger isn't necessarily better. It's all in the implementation, not the specs, and the sales charts clearly depict the winner in this case. Can't argue with the facts.

Think about it, what was the first nex-gen console to come out? PS2, and don't you think good third-party developers would want a slice of that when if first came out? Plus, the reason PS2 sells more is because ppl buy it as mostly a DVD player, not knowing it sucks as one and actually destroys the system. And, the other reason is because all the stupid casualy gamers that don't know shit buy it.

[daphatty]

I'm sure PS2 has a heavy hitter, I've just never heard it, so what is it? I have a PS2 myself but can't really think of one.
Oh no, no EA game online, LOL, and you think I care they have voice chat? I don't know if you've been living in a cave, but ALL Xbox Live enabled games have voice chat. All of you are alike, you always so, "Well, yall don't have as good as games as us." It's so much bullshit. Xbox has some good games, maybe not as many good games as PS2. But, hey, atleast the system itself is better. I mean PS2 is so slow the framrate drops on Soul Calibur on special, shiny, fast attacks.

Think about it, what was the first nex-gen console to come out? PS2, and don't you think good third-party developers would want a slice of that when if first came out? Plus, the reason PS2 sells more is because ppl buy it as mostly a DVD player, not knowing it sucks as one and actually destroys the system. And, the other reason is because all the stupid casualy gamers that don't know shit buy it.

[-X =;

I think this is a prime example of what Mr. Anderson was talking about. Especially the degradation in point towards the end. What do you think Mr. Anderson?

[WildWop]

Someone earlier mentioned that the xbox is a good thing due to the fact that we now "get games first." Getting games first has very little to do with where the console was designed and manufactured, and everything to do with where the DEVELOPER is located. Y'know, the people that make the GAMES, not the CONSOLE. Sure, having a console maker in the states almost guarantees a jump in the number of fully funded and distribution-supported US developers, but what it comes down to is the amount of competant developers in the west.

[suprsaiyanMAX]

XboxMaster wrote: Of course it's doing bad in Japan, it's the first time a major game system contender hasn't come from Japan. It actually makes me happy that WE finally get more cool stuff than they do, they usually have all these awesome Japan-exclusive things.

We will never get cooler stuff than Japan, ever. Even Microsoft gives them all the cool stuff, like the limited edition consoles. We don't even get games before them unless it is an American company developing and publishing the game.

[sandwiches99]

I'm not trying to start a debate here but it seems that Halo is always the "Xbox Fanboy's" heavy hitter. But guess what. Halo is all they have. Their only argument. Nothing more. So when your friend says "Halo" in an arguement, point out that its a 2 year old game AND the only one he has to argue with.

That is the worst argument ever. If WHEN a game is published matters to you, then you are a fanboy. If a game is good, it is good. Its actually impressive that it has been 2 years and Halo still remains fun and without a competitor on any system.

PS2 and Xbox have just about the same amount of good exclusive games. The main problem with PS2 is that it has no multiplayer games. Xbox at the very least has Halo, the Goldeneye of this generation.

[JSweeney]

Of course it's doing bad in Japan, it's the first time a major game system contender hasn't come from Japan. It actually makes me happy that WE finally get more cool stuff than they do, they usually have all these awesome Japan-exclusive things.

Actually the Atari came from America.

but it's been years since Atari released a console ;)

You missed the point.
There have been MULTIPLE major game systems that came from the United States. The fact that it was near 20 years ago doesn't mean they weren't major consoles.

[daphatty]

That is the worst argument ever. If WHEN a game is published matters to you, then you are a fanboy. If a game is good, it is good. Its actually impressive that it has been 2 years and Halo still remains fun and without a competitor on any system.

PS2 and Xbox have just about the same amount of good exclusive games. The main problem with PS2 is that it has no multiplayer games. Xbox at the very least has Halo, the Goldeneye of this generation.

Looks like I didn't word that sentence correctly. I wasn't trying to say that Halo's age was the main point of my argument, but rather its solidarity. (The age card was just to get under the Xbox fanboy's skin. :D) But seriously, Halo is the ONLY title Xbox fanboys have in their (troll) arsenal. I'm not saying that Xbox or Halo aren't good. Just pointing out the narrowmindedness of certain Xbox fanboys and their overuse of the Xbox/Halo comparisons.

[magilacudy]

I'm not trying to start a debate here but it seems that Halo is always the "Xbox Fanboy's" heavy hitter. But guess what. Halo is all they have. Their only argument. Nothing more. So when your friend says "Halo" in an arguement, point out that its a 2 year old game AND the only one he has to argue with.

Well I don't know about that. It's sort of like when the Genesis came out, almost all the good sports games were on that system. I'm really not into racing games (well ironically Gran Turismo 1 I was) but I never got into any of the newer ones. For me its all about the shooters. In my opinion the Xbox controller S is perfect for FPS , alright for fighting games, not so good for racing games. I can't really think of a good FPS on PS2 off the top of my head (oh I'm going to get flamed for that one), but there are alot of RPGs, racing games, crazy Japanese games for everyone. I don't have time or money to get all those other games, and I like shooters and actiony games.

So guess what, Halo is good enough for me. And so is Ninja Gaiden, whenever it comes out. I don't really care if something's an Xbox exclusive as long as its fun. I play Madden and ESPN NBA till the cows come home. I'm sure this has been said many times already, but its up to the person playing the system whether its good or not. Its a free country, everyone is in their own right. And when you say how fanboyism is stupid citing reasons why that system sucks... umm.. you are a fanboy yourself.

[Southberm]

i agree, when someone states their opinoin, someone else is always trying to prove you wrong. Everything has its ups and downs, in this case it is video game systems, and both systems have certain strong points in different genres for their games and their systems. So know one is wrong in this. I just want some amazing RPG game to come for XBOX like a final fantasy, though i am still true to the FPS/S, action, and sport games for xbox and if good enough, PS2.

[bfg9k]

Of course it's doing bad in Japan, it's the first time a major game system contender hasn't come from Japan. It actually makes me happy that WE finally get more cool stuff than they do, they usually have all these awesome Japan-exclusive things.

Actually the Atari came from America.

but it's been years since Atari released a console ;)

You missed the point.
There have been MULTIPLE major game systems that came from the United States. The fact that it was near 20 years ago doesn't mean they weren't major consoles.

I didn't miss anything. YOU missed the fact that I was having a little fun suggesting that xboxmaster might be too young to remember the age of american made consoles. I guess the winking smiley didn't tip you off to that, and I don't blame you. It's hard to express things like that in text messages. :)

[Theenternal]

This thread has some fanbois in it :P, does anyone know the tru king of game systems as far as sales?

Ps2 defintely has the game varity advantage, nets my most playtime out of three systems from me.

xbox, modders dream, illegal and legal ones. In addition has the better version of a game in most cases. dvd playback can be unlocked without kit, but its 4 ports make up for the dvd playback kit imo.

GC, Strong First party, low price+ features through the GBA
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But fighting over a game system is like saying coke taste better than pepsi. In the end its whats better for you that matters. Your Friend is pretty clueless but so were you about the Xbox's upgradability.


They all have their strong points and weeknesses,

[magilacudy]

Of course it's doing bad in Japan, it's the first time a major game system contender hasn't come from Japan. It actually makes me happy that WE finally get more cool stuff than they do, they usually have all these awesome Japan-exclusive things.

Actually the Atari came from America.

but it's been years since Atari released a console ;)

You missed the point.
There have been MULTIPLE major game systems that came from the United States. The fact that it was near 20 years ago doesn't mean they weren't major consoles.

I didn't miss anything. YOU missed the fact that I was having a little fun suggesting that xboxmaster might be too young to remember the age of american made consoles. I guess the winking smiley didn't tip you off to that, and I don't blame you. It's hard to express things like that in text messages. :)

I think its interesting that EVERYONE'S missing the point on this one. Without Americans there would be no video games at all. That's right, an American invented the first video game...

http://www.bnl.gov/bnlweb/history/higinbotham.htm

The Japanese just reversed engineered it like they did with other electronics, cars, porn, the list goes on... :shock:

[Mr. Anderson]

I'm sure PS2 has a heavy hitter, I've just never heard it, so what is it? I have a PS2 myself but can't really think of one.
Oh no, no EA game online, LOL, and you think I care they have voice chat? I don't know if you've been living in a cave, but ALL Xbox Live enabled games have voice chat. All of you are alike, you always so, "Well, yall don't have as good as games as us." It's so much bullshit. Xbox has some good games, maybe not as many good games as PS2. But, hey, atleast the system itself is better. I mean PS2 is so slow the framrate drops on Soul Calibur on special, shiny, fast attacks.

Think about it, what was the first nex-gen console to come out? PS2, and don't you think good third-party developers would want a slice of that when if first came out? Plus, the reason PS2 sells more is because ppl buy it as mostly a DVD player, not knowing it sucks as one and actually destroys the system. And, the other reason is because all the stupid casualy gamers that don't know shit buy it.

[-X =;

I think this is a prime example of what Mr. Anderson was talking about. Especially the degradation in point towards the end. What do you think Mr. Anderson?

I think I've had enough of XboxMasters foundationless rantings. I really don't think people buy the PS2 because its a DVD player, you can get one now for like 30 bucks. Daphatty makes THE argument against the Xbox. No games. Halo is ALL you have (at least at this moment). Name ANY great, not system-blockbuster (i.e. Halo, Vice City, Metroid Prime), exclusive games for Xbox. ANY.

[Battousai1002]

I'm all hyped for Ninja Gaiden. I don't own an Xbox, but I'm gonna borrow a friend's just to play that game. But I agree. Halo is pretty much the only game they have at the moment. Actually, I'm a bit jealous of them having 4 player DDR too. But otherwise, I deem Xbox the lowest of the three.

I like the Xbox, but i hate Xbox fanboys.

[daphatty]

I'm all hyped for Ninja Gaiden. I don't own an Xbox, but I'm gonna borrow a friend's just to play that game. But I agree. Halo is pretty much the only game they have at the moment. Actually, I'm a bit jealous of them having 4 player DDR too. But otherwise, I deem Xbox the lowest of the three.

I like the Xbox, but i hate Xbox fanboys.

WAIT WAIT WAIT! Four Player DDR?!?!?! :shock: Uh oh... :-k May have just found a justification to buy one...

[Theenternal]

knights of the old republic

[WhipSmartBanky]

Daphatty makes THE argument against the Xbox. No games. Halo is ALL you have (at least at this moment). Name ANY great, not system-blockbuster (i.e. Halo, Vice City, Metroid Prime), exclusive games for Xbox. ANY.

Who're the fanboys now? :roll: Such irony in this thread.

I thought that's what it would turn into when I read the first post in this thread, and that's exactly where it went.

[daphatty]

It's not as bad as it could have been WSB. Conversation stayed pretty much on topic without much trolling or negativity.

[sandwiches99]

I think I've had enough of XboxMasters foundationless rantings. I really don't think people buy the PS2 because its a DVD player, you can get one now for like 30 bucks. Daphatty makes THE argument against the Xbox. No games. Halo is ALL you have (at least at this moment). Name ANY great, not system-blockbuster (i.e. Halo, Vice City, Metroid Prime), exclusive games for Xbox. ANY.

People buy the PS2 because Sony did a great job marketing it. PS2 has some great games, but they are almost all single player--which I see as its biggest fault. Xbox naysayers slam Halo for its universal appeal. Theres nothing wrong with a game that everyone is familiar with in my book. Halo is just that good, and PS2 fans are furious that they don't have a game that has a comparable impact. On the other hand, Xbox fails miserably in the platforming genre, PS2 clearly wins that one. In all honesty, I'd rather have one superb game than 10 pretty good games.

Since this is CAG, Xbox is also a better value overall in the end. No need to buy a memory card, multitap, hard drive, network adaptor, and there are many free online gaming alternatives to Live. Xbox edges PS2 in pretty much every third party game (give or take a few), except for EA games. Theres no arguing that.

That said, I'm actually very impressed with PS2's 2004 lineup. It has a lot of games with real potential coming out, so maybe my opinion will change at the end of this year.

[XboxMaster]

So, I'm guessing you admit the system is better, cuz ALL of your posts have been about how Halo is all we got. I mean really, look back and see how many times that has been said in this thread. Pretty pitiful.

[magilacudy]

I agree with Sandwiches (strangely that makes me hungry) but considering that this is the first game system Microsoft has put out, its doing a hell of a good job. I noticed that people say Xbox has only one good game, that PS2 is so much better blah blah.. but no one said that the XBox is dead... the Dreamcast entered a similar market and was killed.

You can say that its Microsoft's deep pockets keeping it alive, but Microsoft has had projects that were cancelled and forgotten about because of consumer indifference (Bob, iLoo come to mind). The reason its still out there, that there is an XBox 2 in the works is that it made money. Xbox isn't going to be a billion dollar seller because it doesn't have the fanbase Nintendo or Sony has after combined 30+ years of experience. The truth is that each system has its good points and bad, thats why there's so many people I've seen on TGN with multiple systems. Come to think of it, how many people on average go to a store to pick up an XBox game but also end up picking up a PS2 game or GBA as well. All the companies benefit from each other... like sleeping with the enemy so to speak.

You think Microsoft or Sony or Nintendo cares about whether you think Xbox or PS2 or Cube is the best? I bet they're laughing all the way to the bank.

All the consoles are pretty much the same, have pretty much the same games save for a couple of exclusives... I admit I'm a fanboy too.. but the truth is fanboys have to grow up, console wars are obsolete.. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft team up some day.

[Gothic Walrus]

I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft team up some day.

...on the day when hell freezes over and pigs fly. Usually, companies that have bitter rivalries with one another have a thing against working together. :D

[JSweeney]

Of course it's doing bad in Japan, it's the first time a major game system contender hasn't come from Japan. It actually makes me happy that WE finally get more cool stuff than they do, they usually have all these awesome Japan-exclusive things.

Actually the Atari came from America.

but it's been years since Atari released a console ;)

You missed the point.
There have been MULTIPLE major game systems that came from the United States. The fact that it was near 20 years ago doesn't mean they weren't major consoles.

I didn't miss anything. YOU missed the fact that I was having a little fun suggesting that xboxmaster might be too young to remember the age of american made consoles. I guess the winking smiley didn't tip you off to that, and I don't blame you. It's hard to express things like that in text messages. :)

Yep, that's it exactly. That wasn't what I thought the intent of you smiley after that was. Stated thew way you did, it does make sense.

[CaptainObviousXl]

Of course it's doing bad in Japan, it's the first time a major game system contender hasn't come from Japan. It actually makes me happy that WE finally get more cool stuff than they do, they usually have all these awesome Japan-exclusive things.

Actually the Atari came from America.

but it's been years since Atari released a console ;)

You missed the point.
There have been MULTIPLE major game systems that came from the United States. The fact that it was near 20 years ago doesn't mean they weren't major consoles.

I didn't miss anything. YOU missed the fact that I was having a little fun suggesting that xboxmaster might be too young to remember the age of american made consoles. I guess the winking smiley didn't tip you off to that, and I don't blame you. It's hard to express things like that in text messages. :)

Yep, that's it exactly. That wasn't what I thought the intent of you smiley after that was. Stated thew way you did, it does make sense.
yea i just thought it would be fun to quote this, there are so many quotes its driving me insane

[Battousai1002]

knights of the old republic
that's on pc

[CaptainObviousXl]

knights of the old republic
that's on pc
omg some one is mentaly retarded #-o

[Battousai1002]

knights of the old republic
that's on pc
omg some one is mentaly retarded #-o
You probably misunderstood me. I know it's for Xbox, but it's not really Xbox exclusive. The PC version of the game released about 4 months or so after the Xbox one. Not quite the drastic time split that Halo had.

[daphatty]

I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft team up some day.

...on the day when hell freezes over and pigs fly. Usually, companies that have bitter rivalries with one another have a thing against working together. :D

People used to say that with Sega and Nintendo or Sega and Sony. Looks like hell DID freeze over. If you aren't old enough to remember Sega being a force to be reckoned with, then it doesn't really affect you. It is time to go read up on your gaming history, however.

[Mr. Anderson]

I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft team up some day.

...on the day when hell freezes over and pigs fly. Usually, companies that have bitter rivalries with one another have a thing against working together. :D

People used to say that with Sega and Nintendo or Sega and Sony. Looks like hell DID freeze over. If you aren't old enough to remember Sega being a force to be reckoned with, then it doesn't really affect you. It is time to go read up on your gaming history, however.

Recommended Reading: Game Over: An Illustrated History of Electronic Games

[Theenternal]

[quote=Mr. Anderson]Daphatty makes THE argument against the Xbox. No games. Halo is ALL you have (at least at this moment). Name ANY great, not system-blockbuster (i.e. Halo, Vice City, Metroid Prime), exclusive games for Xbox. ANY.


He said system blockbuster.

KOTOR is valid :)

[nickofearth]

mudercide...I mean homocide is your only option.

That or you could duct tape him to a wall and force feed him nothing but sourkraut for about 2 months.

[Mr. Anderson]

[quote=Mr. Anderson]Daphatty makes THE argument against the Xbox. No games. Halo is ALL you have (at least at this moment). Name ANY great, not system-blockbuster (i.e. Halo, Vice City, Metroid Prime), exclusive games for Xbox. ANY.


He said system blockbuster.

KOTOR is valid :)

Sorry, but its not. A system blockbuster is an exclusive. The PC got a better port of it. Doesn't count.

[st0neface]

Project Gotham Racing and DOA3 have sold over 1 million copies, and 3 other blockbusters are PGR2, Top Spin, and Crimson Skies.

[XboxMaster]

OK, you got me beat, I'll admit PS2 has more good games than Xbox. But, Xbox still beats PS2 2 to 1. The system itself is better, like faster, better graphics, etc. and the online experience is also better. So, PS2 has us beat at the games, but Xbox claims power of the system and better online play.

[SneakyPenguin]

power doesnt mean jack if the only stuff to paly on it is crap. not saying all x-box is crap, toejam and earl 3 and panzer dragoon are excellent, but you said it yourself, ps2 has the better games and in the end, thats what matters.

[Moxio]

Beat him up. I'll help.

[XboxMaster]

There is definitely not only crap on the Xbox, just not as good as stuff as PS2. I'm not saying it has NO good stuff, just not AS good stuff as PS2. You know it's true that Xbox has PS2 beaten 2 to 3, because ALL yall say is about our game selection.

[daphatty]

You guys are getting way off topic but I must comment on one thing.

XBoxMaster, I'd love to hear where you are getting "Xbox still beats PS2 2 to 1" and "You know it's true that Xbox has PS2 beaten 2 to 3." What exactly are you refering to? At first I thought you were comparing game libraries but the PS2 library dwarfs the Xbox library by quite a large margin. So please, clarify this obscure statistic for us.

[Gothic Walrus]

I'm not trying to start a debate here but it seems that Halo is always the "Xbox Fanboy's" heavy hitter. But guess what. Halo is all they have. Their only argument. Nothing more. So when your friend says "Halo" in an arguement, point out that its a 2 year old game AND the only one he has to argue with.

I'm sure PS2 has a heavy hitter, I've just never heard it, so what is it? I have a PS2 myself but can't really think of one.

Are you telling me that you've never heard of Grand Theft Auto 3? You know, that game that was a megahit on the Playstation 2 for well over a year before it hit the Xbox? Or how about the Final Fantasy series? Ratchet and Clank? Jak and Daxter?

So, I'm guessing you admit the system is better, cuz ALL of your posts have been about how Halo is all we got. I mean really, look back and see how many times that has been said in this thread. Pretty pitiful.

I'm not going to even begin to guess at the logic behind that statement.

I'm not saying it has NO good stuff, just not AS good stuff as PS2. You know it's true that Xbox has PS2 beaten 2 to 3, because ALL yall say is about our game selection.

You ARE aware that you've just proclaimed the PS2 better than the Xbox, right? That first sentence is saying that the "good stuff" on the PS2 is, in fact, better than the "good stuff" on the XBox. Also, a 2:3 ratio would, in fact, imply that the PS2 is winning. It doesn't really matter, though, since that number most definitely contradicts your earlier 2:1 statement that is most likely a number you've pulled out of your ass.

I love ignorant fanboys. :twisted:

On a side note, please change your avatar. I know that I can't be the only one who finds that offensive.

[XboxMaster]

WTF, I make one small mistake by saying "Xbox has PS2 beaten 2 to 3" and you attack me like a pack of wolves. I mean "Xbox has PS2 beaten 2 to 1".

[SneakyPenguin]

i would love to see your stats, becaause all evidence ive ever seen says the ps2 easily lead, with either gcn or xbox in far second. where do you get this data that says that a system thats failing everywhere except the us is the best. or you might just be bill gates in disguise.

[Battousai1002]

This thread makes me cry. How about we keep our opinions to ourselves and stop this bullshit.

[Mr. Anderson]

i would love to see your stats, becaause all evidence ive ever seen says the ps2 easily lead, with either gcn or xbox in far second. where do you get this data that says that a system thats failing everywhere except the us is the best. or you might just be bill gates in disguise.

YOUR GONNA NEED SOME ALOE FOR THAT BUUUUUUUURN!!

[EggViper]

i have a friend whos the same way too, everything except the xbox sux. and to b honest i sorta used to be like him too till a year back when i snapped, admited the xbox suked, had no good games and bought a ps2 and gamecube from the sale of all the xbox things.

now im not saying xbox is stupid and yes it does have some good games but just not enough to justify the price tag. i think xbox fanboys are probally the way they are because of that too, they desperately want to think their purchase was worth it.

or that they must have the best hardware on the market, which means having anything with less than the best graphics is a waste of money (also another arguement my friend makes).

[XboxMaster]

I don't think PS2 sucks, nearly it just isn't as good as Xbox. I own a PS2 as well, I bought it the first weekend it came out and this is my second one when my first one broke. I have a network adapter for it and plan to invest $100 on the HDD w/t FF XI. As you can see, I definitely do not hate PS2, just merely don't think it is as good as Xbox. I do not feel like being gang banged by a bunch of PS2 fanboys anymore, so I'm gonna end my participation in this discussion now.

[bfg9k]

All systems have good games, some more than others. Specs don't mean squat. Shut up and play. :)

[SneakyPenguin]

...so I'm gonna end my participation in this discussion now.

And there was much rejoicing...yea.

^^ monty python quote of the day.

[JSweeney]

...so I'm gonna end my participation in this discussion now.

And there was much rejoicing...yea.

^^ monty python quote of the day.

What do you think this is? A Spanish Inquisition?

NO ONE EXPECTS A SPANISH INQUIITION!!

^^even better Monty Python qoute of the day.

<Proceeds to run away Benny Hill style>