CAGcast #95: Baby On Board

[CheapyD]

CheapyD talks about life as a new father and Wombat reveals his new job in the gaming industry. We also discuss the latest releases, gaming news, answer your questions from the CAGbag (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71382), and so much more!

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Intro music: Zombies Ate My Neighbors (SNES)

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Assist Trohpies (http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/items/assist/assist01.html) Build your own stages in Smash Bros. Brawl (http://feeds.joystiq.com/%7Er/weblogsinc/joystiq/%7E3/176699848/)
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Censored Manhunt 2 content sprung (http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/31/censored-manhunt-2-content-sprung/)
GameStop halts 360 replacement plan sales (http://feeds.joystiq.com/%7Er/weblogsinc/joystiq/%7E3/177316205/)

Free Radical's David Braben says you shouldn't buy used games! (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157570)
LucasArts and BioWare Team Up (http://feeds.gawker.com/%7Er/kotaku/full/%7E3/177212367/lucasarts-and-bioware-team-up-316698.php)
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Bonus Media

The Wombat Show Song
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Trixie (Xbox) interviews Wombat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAVGvBBa7-g

[Cao Cao]

Looks like an interesting lineup.

I'll download it and listen to it tomorrow.

[yukine]

Awesome, downloading now.

[Trenchalicious]

Hopefully this isn't a 2 hour baby bore fest. I can't wait to listen. That stuff is just getting a little old.

*EDIT* Oh boy, what a way to start. This show will be the start of the Adcast probably.

[JDUB X]

Awesome!

Over 2 hours! I will listen now!

Thanks :applause:

EDIT: hey the Arbiter is on the CAGcast lol The dude in the Navy ad is the same guy who does the voice fo the Arbiter

[MrsLSpear76]

Wombat kinda looks like a pedophile in this video. Like one of those guys on DateLine NBC "To Catch a Predator." LOL.

[cindersphere]

Adcast..............:cry:......................... ..........................:cry:

[Trenchalicious]

Wombat kinda looks like a pedophile in this video. Like one of those guys on DateLine NBC "To Catch a Predator." LOL.

Clearly you are confusing him with Brad Childress.

[MrsLSpear76]

This CAGCAST is brought to you by the US Navy. Talk about selling out. Maybe Cheapy didn't get enough CAGs to preorder Rock Band for those high commissions. The CAGCAST is a joke.

And come on Cheapy... let go of your Rock Band scam. Posting it over and over in your news section, telling us how many people are preordering it and how great it is, and how many people have preordered it already... next you'll be telling us how many people have ordered the HD DVD package you linked to. "Wow, so many people have preordered Rock Band, it's great, get in on the action, just click this link!" Pathetic. Stop with your scams already...

[Trenchalicious]

Now there are 3 Navy advertisements in the show? Just because you think it will help you in the eyes of the gaming world? ARE YOU FRIGGIN' KIDDING? First of all, the Navy is the gayest of all the military branches. Secondly, You run a site about getting games cheap. You're not the media. You just have friends who work for the media that put you over. The Podcast helps, but don't forget why you can do this for a living. Thirdly, no one will think any more of you just because you put ads in the show. I hope it's worth pissing off your fans for it.

People will defend you because they like you, but when they look at your so called reasons and no longer are blind to it... you will be just like your underwear, ripped.

Thanks, now when I sleep listening to the show, I will be getting subliminal messages to join the Navy.

[yukine]

Yay, the moron known as LSpear has returned!

You know, it's blatantly obvious you're using multiple accounts when you post in succession at 2:00 in the morning.

[dysuriai]

lol I didn't know Wombat was that old.

[yukine]

Holy fuck, I lost it when Wombat played his mom's contest entry. That was awesome.

[MaxDense]

"If you enjoy your freedom, thank a veteran"

Watch your mouth about the United States Navy, knucklehead.

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[MrsLSpear76]

Now there are 3 Navy advertisements in the show? Just because you think it will help you in the eyes of the gaming world? ARE YOU FRIGGIN' KIDDING? First of all, the Navy is the gayest of all the military branches. Secondly, You run a site about getting games cheap. You're not the media. You just have friends who work for the media that put you over. The Podcast helps, but don't forget why you can do this for a living. Thirdly, no one will think any more of you just because you put ads in the show. I hope it's worth pissing off your fans for it.

People will defend you because they like you, but when they look at your so called reasons and no longer are blind to it... you will be just like your underwear, ripped.

Thanks, now when I sleep listening to the show, I will be getting subliminal messages to join the Navy.

There's something you have to realize about Cheapy and Wombat. They are two nobodys who dream of being in the industry. They also like money. Therefore it is not suprising that Cheapy would accept money from ANY sponsor wanting to advertise on his show -- because in the end Cheapy gets MONEY from it. Cheapy's site is "cheapassgamer" yet he posts "deals" consisting of expensive HD-DVD drives and Rock Band bundles. Why? Does he want to help you save money, or does he want to make money for himself? The answer is obvious to anyone with half a brain. Can you blame him though? We all love money. These are two guys talking about games and if they can get paid and get free games, it's all good for them. But for you... hmmmm.

[gunm]

Enough with the ad bitching. If you don't like it, GTFO. No one's forcing you to listen to the show or hang around here.

Edit: Good show, shipwreck. and good riddance to bad rubbish.

Now on to enjoying the show...

[HOVA uk]

Yeah.. got so much work to do so this should help the hours past by.

Welcome Back.

[shipwreck]

Welcome back lspear76! Now where did I put that... oh there it is:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/images/ngi/banneduser.jpg

Please note: This banning is brought to you be general douchery.

[yukine]

Uh, what the hell? I could of sworn Wombat said he picked up RE4 for the Wii as well on a previous CAGcast.

I guess he lied.

[JDUB X]

There's something you have to realize about Cheapy and Wombat. They are two nobodys who dream of being in the industry. They also like money. Therefore it is not suprising that Cheapy would accept money from ANY sponsor wanting to advertise on his show -- because in the end Cheapy gets MONEY from it. Cheapy's site is "cheapassgamer" yet he posts "deals" consisting of expensive HD-DVD drives and Rock Band bundles. Why? Does he want to help you save money, or does he want to make money for himself? The answer is obvious to anyone with half a brain. Can you blame him though? We all love money. These are two guys talking about games and if they can get paid and get free games, it's all good for them. But for you... hmmmm.

Yeah, but the site does not only contain "Cheap" and "Ass" in the title, it also contains the word "GAMER" Cheapy D and Wombat are gamers like all of us and gamers dont just buy things that are on sale. the Cheapest CAGs out there have still bought a hot anticipated title for full price on the day it is released.

1.Cheapy posts the Rockband listing on the front page because it is a hot item that will sell out when it is released. He is alerting us when a chance to pre order comes up on Amazon because Rockband is going to sell like mad.

2. When has Cheapy put up a HD-DVD listing that did not involve a Price cut or free items included with purchase. Just because an item is expensive, that does not mean that it can have a good deal.

3. How are either Cheapy D or Wombat nobodys? they dont dream of being in the game industry - They are in the game industry. Regardless of what you may think of this site, CAG is a part of the Video Game community industry and gets a hell of a lot of attention from mainstream gaming outlets.
Both Cheapy D and Wombat are Invited to industry events. Are you?

4. Sell outs? did you not hear that Cheapy is donating his half of the ad money to charity. Wombat just bought a home and with a buy like that any dollar earned counts. The CAGcast is recorded,produced, and put up for download free of charge. both Cheapy and Wombat take time to produce this show for us to listen to without asking anything in return. There is absolutely no reason to freak out when a 30 second ad pops up in the cast.
both 1UP and IGN podcasts all have ads.

[Levizk]

3. How are either Cheapy D or Wombat nobodys? they dont dream of being in the game industry - They are in the game industry. Regardless of what you may think of this site, CAG is a part of the Video Game community industry and gets a hell of a lot of attention from mainstream gaming outlets.
Both Cheapy D and Wombat are Invited to industry events. Are you?



I realize you're trying to defend Cheapy and Wombat, but with statements like that you might want to let them handle defending themselves. That kind of arrogant statement, regardless of the quality of poster you're responding to isn't doing them any favors.

[dysuriai]

So LSpears was banned for speaking his/her mind? That doesn't sound right.

[JDUB X]

So LSpears was banned for speaking his/her mind? That doesn't sound right.

LSpear is a known Troll. This is no where near the first we have seen of him.

[Trenchalicious]

I believe Cheapy would donate it because he wants to, plus he wants to avoid flak from the ads as a smaller part. Since he said it's all part of some grand plan to get respect by industry folks. It won't work I think. I have no problem with Wombat getting money, since he doesn't get any money from the site selling anything.

"There is absolutely no reason to freak out when a 30 second ad pops up in the cast.
both 1UP and IGN podcasts all have ads."

Yes, there are many perfectly good reasons for the listeners to be pissed. Just because other people do it, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. That is the worst arguement ever.

Banning that guy if all he did was speak his mind, was wrong. Maybe he didn't do it in the best way, but it's still his opinion and it shouldn't be silenced. Now if he did other crap before and wasn't allowed back in the first place, that is a different story.

[yukine]

So LSpears was banned for speaking his/her mind? That doesn't sound right.
He was banned for being a consistent douche bag and now he is banned again for using multiple accounts and being a douche bag.

[CheapyD]

So LSpears was banned for speaking his/her mind? That doesn't sound right.

This is Lspear's 3rd account. They have all been been banned for trolling (the CAGcast forums). He was given warnings, but just wouldn't stop.

You would think that somebody who hates us so much wouldn't want to hang out here...

[JDUB X]

"There is absolutely no reason to freak out when a 30 second ad pops up in the cast.
both 1UP and IGN podcasts all have ads."

Yes, there are many perfectly good reasons for the listeners to be pissed. Just because other people do it, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. That is the worst arguement ever.



Web sites cost money to run - Why should that money not come from the site? No one complains about the ads on the CAG site itself. Listeners can fast forward through the ads just like CAG viewers can simply choose to not look at the banner or google ads.

[yukine]

I don't see the big deal, but I was a supporter of the ads from the beginning. I barely noticed the other 30 second ads because I'm so desensitized to ads in radio/podcasts in general. I would of really not of noticed if Cheapy didn't mention it before the fact.

And like I said, as long as it's not ads for "Prep H" or something I'm all for it, just keep it relatively game related and remember your audience.

[JDUB X]

I don't see the big deal, but I was a supporter of the ads from the beginning. I barely noticed the other 30 second ads because I'm so desensitized to ads in radio/podcasts in general. I would of really not of noticed if Cheapy didn't mention it before the fact.

And like I said, as long as it's not ads for "Prep H" or something I'm all for it, just keep it relatively game related and remember your audience.

I completely agree :applause:

[4nik8tor]

I dunno.. selling Preperation H to gamers makes perfect sense to me.

[Wombat]

http://gamesblog.ugo.com/index.php/gamesblog/comments/under_new_management/

dont forget this :)

[terborx]

When's the first official post, Wombat?

[shipwreck]

So LSpears was banned for speaking his/her mind? That doesn't sound right.

Yeah, no one here is banned for speaking his or her mind. Personal attacks, duplicate accounts, not listening to repeated warnings... that's the stuff that gets a ban.

[Trenchalicious]

He was banned for being a consistent douche bag and now he is banned again for using multiple accounts and being a douche bag.

ok that makes sense, no one likes someone who has a douche baggery score of +5.

[mega_n00bzer]

dont worry cheapy, I still trust you * hugs cheapy doll *

[traslin]

CheapyD,

Sorry, but I have to agree with Wombat on this one. You are a pussy for crying when Tai was born. I just had a little girl in August, and I didn't shed a single tear. I was too busy being FREAKED OUT to even worry about crying.

Seriously though, congrats on the new baby boy!

[4nik8tor]

I think Cheapy proves the point of why Major Nelson isnt interesting and shouldnt be on another podcast.

[KingBroly]

It's already up on iTunes. Wombat, most disturbing most, ever. I mean, your avatar is fine when it's small, but blown up...just plain creepy.

[FoxHoundADAM]

Trixie is so obnioux!!!

BTW Wombat looks exactly how I imagined him. Nice suit!

[Pratt75]

Ads are in most podcasts. Whats the big deal? The podcast is free for us, an ad or two isn't going to ruin it.

[FoxHoundADAM]

CheapyD,

Sorry, but I have to agree with Wombat on this one. You are a pussy for crying when Tai was born. I just had a little girl in August, and I didn't shed a single tear. I was too busy being FREAKED OUT to even worry about crying.

Seriously though, congrats on the new baby boy!LOL same here. My baby girl was awsome but it took a couple weeks for me to calm down and relax enough to enjoy it.

[linkpwns]

I'm gonna watch the Wombat video now

[aerotive]

I think it's important to always keep in mind that Major Nelson is very much a company man and his position limits what he can publicly discuss. The restrictions he must operate under almost automatically make him a bad guest.


Re show 95, the most entertaining part was the calling out of the CAG who claimed he'd stopped listening after being supposedly outraged. We all know the podcast is too good to stop listening... :)

[ScottG13]

Ads are fine and I'm sure Cheapy's tolerance for ads is much lower than mine. Anything that makes the CAGCast better or improves CheapAssGamer.com is fine by me. For the hours of entertainment I've gotten from the CAGCast, a few minutes of ads are a small price to pay.

[Wombat]

FIRST POST IS UP!!!!!
http://gamesblog.ugo.com/

[Johnny-C]

Solid show, and a belated congratulations to cheapy for your new child. As for the ads, I am totally alright with them. I feel that you guys put out a quality product with the CAGcast, and I could certainly tolerate an ad or two. (Geez, could I sound more like a sycophant? =) ). Also congrats to Wombat on the new job. I christened your first post with my idiocy, so enjoy!

[Thomas96]

hey Cheapy it wasn't PS3 fans that was saying that your interview with Major Nelson "sucked balls" and was overall bad.. that was 360 fans.

PS3 fans are part of the CAG family and we want some respect for our PS3 which is a fantastic system. A system in which you don't have to go out and buy a 280 replacement plan to enjoy. 349 [original 360] + 280 [rp 360] = PIMPED - that's my equation on that situation. lol
Of course you have your opinion, your show, but PS3 fans are part of the CAG family and we should be able to express our opinions.

I like the new show idea, but I think you should come around to the 360, PS3, and Wii threads (DS and PSP, if big news present) and pull hot news/topics from there as well.

[MSUnman]

Oh no....Wombat your site is blocked for me, will have to check it out at home. Cant wait to see what you come up with, good luck with your endeavor.

[DesertEagleXIX]

"Why is your penis so small?" had me laughing hysterically. Thanks, Wombat!

Cheapy channeled Howard Stern while giving his response to the guy who turned off the Cagcast.

Oh, and congratulations on securing ads for the U.S. Marine Corp. Transportation Dept., Oops, I mean the Navy.

[lordwow]

We interrupt this drama...

Anyway...

I'll take a listen this afternoon. Can't wait.

[UN2814]

Congrats!

[P dad]

Wombat kinda looks like a pedophile in this video. Like one of those guys on DateLine NBC "To Catch a Predator." LOL.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Wow now I see why we have never seen pictures of this guy... He is like a caricature of
the president of NAMLBA.

[cruzincontrol]

Just heard the beginning and already...shill-cast...I guess it was inevitable since Cheapy's got a mouth to feed, now I wonder what other ads will I be hearing....

[lordwow]

Yess Zombie Ate My Neighbor Into

[stonefry]

http://www.icrushrock.com/images/postofthday-57.gifI dunno.. selling Preperation H to gamers makes perfect sense to me.

[NWgamer666]

A few minutes in and I'm greeted by the Navy trying to recruit me. Yay. Some have actually expended time and energy to bar the ability of the military industrial complex to indoctrinate and cooerce.

I don't have any problems with ads per se, but the Navy? I know us listeners are the demo they are trying to target, but come on. Why you gotta take their blood money cheapy? I got no problems with you getting paid, but I'd rather listen to a head-on commercial.

[drspock4ever]

Zombies Ate My Neighbors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Trenchalicious]

The problem with the ads is, THEY INTERUPT the flow of action. I hate the now is a time for a break s***. That's raping the CAGcast of it's virginity. It's no longer pure. If you want to put one ad at the very end instead of the classic tv ads, thats fine. To start the show and have some in the middle of the show, makes you look like a slut compared to a virgin.

The cherry has been popped.

[DugFreez]

Hey Cheapy and Wombat...another great show in the books.

I wanted to comment on your Guitar Hero difficulty setting opinions. I agree that some added options to the difficulty settings would be a welcomed addition to the Guitar Hero series. I suggest they add a custom setting to the preexisting four settings. In this custom setting you can select:

How many fret buttons are used (3,4,5)
How many notes are used in a song
How harshly you are judged (how far your rock meter falls with each missed note)

I'm pretty much a medium player, and I wish I had a reason to dust off my orange button. I have wanted this type of difficulty setting since Guitar Hero 1 has come out, but I'm to lazy to even submit a suggestion to a developer.

[GAMERMASTERMAN]

i just turend 17 over the summer and get tons of crap in the mail tryign to get me to join the army,navy,marines,air force, & national guard, now i gotta listen to the crap in my favorite podcast too? :cry:

i dont really mind ads in podcast, since podcasting is a non profit hobby, i dont mind the podcaster's wanting to get a little cash on the side. but the navy?
id rather have something tech related
and also, all of the other podcasts i listen to that have ads, only have 1 ad, either the "This show is brought to you by..." at the beggining, or a 30 second in the middle, i think all 3 is to many.

[Levizk]

A few minutes in and I'm greeted by the Navy trying to recruit me. Yay. Some have actually expended time and energy to bar the ability of the military industrial complex to indoctrinate and cooerce.

I don't have any problems with ads per se, but the Navy? I know us listeners are the demo they are trying to target, but come on. Why you gotta take their blood money cheapy? I got no problems with you getting paid, but I'd rather listen to a head-on commercial.

Let's not be over dramatic here, all money in a capitalist society is blood money if you want to get technical. It's not like there's a giant list of sponsors out there banging down the door trying to get their ads on the CAGcast. The Navy made an offer, and to create the perception in the minds of other businesses that the show can be sponsored Cheapy accepted. If someone manages to get indoctrinated from a 30 second commercial that basically says "Hey join the Navy", then don't blame the CAGcast, blame their parents.

View the ads for what they are as a stepping stone to bigger things.

[NWgamer666]

I hear ya Levizk, but why start at the bottom of the barrel? I'm not going to profess to know what cheapy went through in his ad selection process, but as a largely educated, and adult audience (per the listener survey of a short while ago), I would have expected something apart from what usually fuels the main stream media establishment.

If I wanna watch adult swim on cable, I gotta sit through an ad for each branch of the military before my 30 min show is over. After a while it gets old, and I just buy the DVD's.

[Punk_Raven]

Ay yo Cheap Daddy, address the " asians for love " ads and how funny they are in reference to this site .

[aihuman]

I see you took down the very disturbing video of you dressed in a diaper; sucking on a pacifier,Cheapy.

Anyway,I didnt like the sponsor.If you wanted to get more recognition from the game companies you should have offered free two 30 seconds ads in the show, instead of having a sponsor who has nothing to do with the industry and getting paidz.By doing this you might get free review copies of games and prizes for the show.The idea is here is to get attention for the CAGcast.

[DesertEagleXIX]

I don't have any problems with ads per se, but the Navy? I know us listeners are the demo they are trying to target, but come on. Why you gotta take their blood money cheapy? I got no problems with you getting paid, but I'd rather listen to a head-on commercial.

Blood money? I'm assuming you live in U.S. borders, so you are enjoying the benefits of the armed service. They are the defenders of free speech. Try to get on the net, let alone post something negative about the state in North Korea or Myanmar.

Do you really think CAG listeners will be so persuaded by the sounds of Keith's David's voice that they will drop their controller and run for the nearest recruitment depot? If you do, Jack Thompson's looking for a few good interns.

[Mulliga2]

A double standard? I remember the fracas over the Twilight Princess score and how people defended Gamespot then - to me, the Aaron Thomas review pretty clearly states why the game isn't an 8 or a 9:

It's too easy, the story falls flat, and the "throw everything in including the kitchen sink" style of gameplay takes too much of the focus off the tight platforming and fun combat.

Being a R&C fan myself, I can see how too much extraneous stuff would distract from the platforming and shooting action.

I'm glad you guys are enjoying Half-Life 2 - brings back fond memories. I bought that game the first weekend it came out (man, three years ago) and I beat it in one nonstop, 12 hours session.

[SpreadTheWord]

Major Nelson - I agree with Wombat. It's nice to know what the community manager of Xbox live thinks even if he's not going to say "That's a good idea, just a sec... done."

Manhunt 2 - The big problem with all the violent videogame stories in the mainstream media is that they think videogames are made exclusively for kids. Once they understand that some games, like some movies, are being made for adults, then the occurrences of these ridiculous "news pieces" will slow down.

Ratchet and Clank - I liked your comments on the R&C review Wombat. I don't read Gamespot's reviews (I don't like my game reviews to be written like a consumer report) but I did look through it when I saw the fairly low score. BTW, I think means 7.5 it's a good game that has flaws and is really only recommendable if you're a fan of the genre or the source material as opposed to a 7.5 meaning that "you don't like the game". Also, I said this last time but R&C is MOTS done right. The second game added circle strafing and the third added an all-in-one gadget (finally no more pausing to equip the right gadget!). These, plus new weapons and everything else they added, make the next game in the series better that the last.

Orange Box - Cheapy, how can you not know where you're going in TF2? There are signs everywhere saying "Capture Point" with arrows pointing you in the right direction! I think it's one of the genius parts of that game, you couldn't get away with signs and arrows in a shooter with a realistic style but it fits in the world of TF2. Wombat, don't do the show again until you finish Portal. It's way too good to play anything else until you finish.

The ads were good. But can you find someone with a little more of a gruff voice. That guy in the Navy ads sounded like a total wimp.

Fanboy-ism - When someone bashes your system of choice then it's ok to defend it, but you still need to be aware of the weaknesses of your system so that you don't go off sounding like an idiot. If someone says PC gaming is dead, then I'll point out why I feel that's not true. If someone says PC gaming is expensive, then I can see their point. Same with the PS3. There are less exclusive games and more reasons to choose Xbox when it comes to multiplatform games. If you can't stand to hear that, try plugging your ears for the next 6 months.

[JadedJedi]

CheapyD, couldn't you find a different sponsor for the Cagcast. The military! The MILITARY! What, Satan didn't offer you enough? This is just proliferating the belief that games desensitize people to violence and that they are murder simulators. The military thinks, "Kids like killing people in games, so they must like killing real people! Join the military and instead of prison, you get rewarded for murdering people!" I will still listen to the podcast, but I will never, ever buy a game through your links. I don't care if you give the ad money to charity, you are sending listeners to their deaths in the Persian gulf. "Accelerate your life!" That's right join the navy and your life will be over before you knew what hit you.

[NWgamer666]

So because we enjoy all the benefits of 1st world countries we as citizens are endebted to the US military? I would say that the the global market's faith in the U.S. economy is actually more deserving of credit for maintaining security than our continually weakening military force, beause without such an economy, we couldn't maintain an industry that mostly produces destruction - something of little value.

I do respect the vast majority of CAGs as people who won't blindly follow an advertisment like sheep, but the value of ad dollars just doesn't seem to be a justifiable benefit when the cost could be one death of a peer for a goal that is undefined, and quite possibly futile.

I'm sorry if I've gone off into the political realm. I don't want to get this topic off track, just wanted to let my feelings be know.

[SpreadTheWord]

I'm sorry if I've gone off into the political realm. I don't want to get this topic off track, just wanted to let my feelings be know.
Well you and the others who talking about the politics of the the military are taking this thread off topic.

If you wan't to debate the military, take it to the off topic boards. If you want to debate whether or not Navy ads should be in the podcast... I'd rather it go to a seperate thread, but I'm no moderator.

[CheapyD]

My mom received some more Zack & Wiki schwag...it will be added to the contest (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157865).

[Trenchalicious]

Discuss our bitches with us, not some stupid contest.

[CheapyD]

Discuss our bitches with us, not some stupid contest.Excellent choice of words. I shall talk about them, on CAGcast #96.
p.s.
I'm glad you are enjoying the contests.

[FriskyTanuki]

There are people that are offended by the ads? Wow.

It's nice to see a PS3 game not being crapped on, though Cheapy doesn't have Ratchet yet, so he could come back and crap on another Insomniac game. :D ;) Wombat, keep playing Ratchet since it's a great game. I'm going through it again on Challenge mode and I never play through games again, so it's definitely a compelling game.

I hope you guys talk about the Warhawk patches in the next show. Add the Resistance patches to that while you're at it.

Good, long show.

[figcoinc]

Hey Cheapy I like the ads. I don't know why everyone getting all up in arms for. All this talk about "blood money" and other nonsense. Geez, it is just a Navy commerical. Oh well, some people will always take things way over the top. I think you should donate to Child's Play. It is game related and a good cause.

Also Wombat good luck on the blog. I did put it in my favorites to show my support. Keep living the dream man.

[Trenchalicious]

*hands you a napkin to whip the ******* off your face*

Who the hell likes ads... let alone when they cause the show to stop and lose it's momentum.

It starts with one... or in this case 3 ads and a plug at the start. Soon they will be just like all the other stupid podcasts out there. Pretty soon, they will have a 133t section where you have to pay for it.

You want an ad, put it at the end of the damn show so it doesn't hurt the product.

Hey Navy, no one is going to join you because you advertise to gamers. Most are lazy, out of shape, and morons. Not exactly the cream of the crop... then again, it is the Navy.

[SteveMcQ]

That had to be one of the most amusing opening 15-20 minutes of a Podcast I have ever heard. Tales of fatherhood from an interesting perspective and recounting, no doubt.

[FriskyTanuki]

*hands you a napkin to whip the ******* off your face*

Who the hell likes ads... let alone when they cause the show to stop and lose it's momentum.

It starts with one... or in this case 3 ads and a plug at the start. Soon they will be just like all the other stupid podcasts out there. Pretty soon, they will have a 133t section where you have to pay for it.

You want an ad, put it at the end of the damn show so it doesn't hurt the product.

Hey Navy, no one is going to join you because you advertise to gamers. Most are lazy, out of shape, and morons. Not exactly the cream of the crop... then again, it is the Navy.
I'm sorry to hear that fast-forwarding is so traumatizing.

[SonOfAtari]

I enjoyed how Cheapy cut into the recording a few times and recorded over it with "Alright Wombat, lets take a 30 second break!" Gave me a chuckle.

I think it's cool that the Navy is putting ads in your podcast, I actually said "Oh, wow." when I heard they were sponsering it at the beginning. Congrats about that.

[PyroGamer]

*goes and joins the Navy*

Damn, that was effective.

[Moxio]

The ads aren't such a big deal to me.

[PyroGamer]

"The women actually cry in japanese porno. They're supposed to be very submissive and not really enjoying it...

*long pause.....*



Or... that's what I've heard.... I mean... um... uh... somebody told me that."


suuuuure. Seriously, Cheapy, going for the "somebody told me that" excuse? :lol: Pathetic.




EDIT:

Shema?

So now you're telling us your wife's name? Crrrrzy!!! Now I'm just wondering about Wombat. (Stewart, Spencer?)

[DesertEagleXIX]

Join the military and instead of prison, you get rewarded for murdering people!

Some people like myself joined for the benefits. I would have never been able to afford college if it wasn't for the GI Bill. Additionally, I made some life-long friends, improved my self-confidence, and was in the best shape of my life.

You've heard Cheapy's explanation for the ads; it's not about politics, it's about the credibility of the show and its hosts. Cheapy and Wombat work hard every week to bring you the show. Can't everyone listen to a short ad?

[trip1eX]

Hey Transformers was a pretty good mindless flick. I guess I was expecting worse and I'm not a Transformers fan either.

Congrats on your first child!!! I have a 1 yr old and a 6 yr old. Your life will change, but you won't realize it yet for awhile.

A great online game and a great online game to play if you have kids is Battlefield 2 especially on 64 player servers with strangers. With that many people it doesn't matter much if you have to take a few minute break. You can just duck into a building somewhere on the map or just not spawn in. Attend to your kid and hop back in. You don't notice a few guys missing when you have 32 players on a side.

I've been playing WoW lately too and that's not quite as good for Dads, but if you're soloing it or playing with a bud who doesn't mind taking breaks here and there isn't much worry if you have to suddenly leave. And when you log in, you start in the same spot where you logged out last time.


Of course sp games are good and Nintendo games are too as your kid get a bit older and you don't want him watching you decapitate zombies.

[tanis]

100th day coming up for Tai!!!

Make sure you serve him some good grub! ;)

[zewone]

The ads were sort of weird to hear and a little distracting, but nothing to get pissed off about.

Though, I did want to choke Wombat for playing devil's advocate to the "content vs disc" argument.

[MotzCTG]

Hey guys,
Just wanted to comment on the new releases you guys went over. Battalion Wars is sort of an offshoot of Advance Wars, it is a RTS in the sense that you can control all of your troops and order them commands. However it is like Battlefield like you said where you can hop in and out of any of the soldiers in your troop on the fly. This includes foot soldiers, aircraft, naval units, and tanks. I was a huge fan of the first Battalion Wars on the GC, and I just picked up the new on yesterday. So far about 3 hours in I enjoy it much more than the first one. Controls work very well on the wiimote, and don't feel forced. The big thing really is the online modes this time around. There are online skirmishes, and then online co-op, which is pretty awesome. Just figured I would fill you guys in a little bit, because it definitely is a sleeper hit.

Loved the cagcast, congratulations CheapyD on the little one, and congrats to Wombat on UGO, can't wait to read your blog.

[JadedJedi]

[quote=DesertEagleXIX;3530516]Some people like myself joined for the benefits. I would have never been able to afford college if it wasn't for the GI Bill. Additionally, I made some life-long friends, improved my self-confidence, and was in the best shape of my life. quote]

You probably enlisted during peacetime, or right after 9/11, when it made sense. Now the military is so far behind on their enlistment numbers, that they have to advertise like crazy to fill their ranks. If this doesn't work, they will probably bring back the draft. Some will say that will never happen, I say you can't trust freedom when it's not in your hands. Here's an idea, recruit at prisons, send them to Iraq, if they survive 2 tours of duty, they will be given a pardon. That will end prison overcrowding and allow the military to meet their quota.

[DarkNessBear]

Wombat = Joshua from the new Beauty and the Geek?

o. O

[nesfan8222]

Cheapy, Wombat, Im glad you guys are back. The week without you was one boring week at work. I felt that this was a pretty good quality show and it didnt hurt to hear my name in it.

First off with the ads. I dont think its that big of a deal. You got to start somewhere and if wombat gets a little green from this i say its worth it. The guy doesnt get much money from doing the podcast so let it be for now. Perhaps the cagcast can move on to better more relevant ads the further the show goes on. When i hear ads on the 1up yours podcast its just whatever, john or some chick speaks says a bunch of words and you move on. Im just surprised no one made a simpsons reference yet regarding the navy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdfs_UAq-Vo

Thanks for sharing the story of tai's birth cheapy. Your porn acting was great and im sure it will be used against you sometime later. Congrats to wombat on being a paid blogger. I think it would be funny if we got to hear a Mrs Wombat review of Hannah Montana although im sure it wont really convince anyone to get it.

Wombats moms intro was great. It should be used when cheapy doesnt want to do a show and wombat goes solo or has a special guest.

this cagcast stood out to me more than the last few in quality guys so im looking forward to more entertaining cagcasts

[jersoc]

I just wanted to chime about wombat's disappoint with cross songs in RB and GH3. It's not like these developers knew what the other was getting in ways of songs. I'm sure they sat down with their respect company and said, "hey, lets get this song!" Not so much calling their competitor asking if they were getting that song as well. With two giant games like this competing there is bound to be over lap like this. No one could avoid it.

Now the thing is this. RB has already announced 2 ALBUMS for DLC. Gh3 has nothing. With MTV backing up RB, we know it's only going to get better. So you have 5 songs or whatever that are the same. Big deal? In the end RB has better gamplay and will feature more songs. The real winner is clear. Those over lapped songs are nothing to fret and shouldn't detour you to think one is better than the other.

[level1online]

Great show again guys!!! As much as i hate the military industrial complex, i really didn't mind the navy ads. Afterall, anything with the voice of Arby the Arbiter (Keith David) kick ass! On the other hand, that's probably the reason why I hated Transformers so much, some parts of the film were basically a military recruitment ad. Michael Bay actually admits that he wanted to paint the soldiers in a positive light for recruitment purposes. BTW, any hollywood movie that includes the use of military hardware, must have the script sent to the Pentagon for approval. Go figure...

In all honesty, if the navy ads, or anything military related get too invasive on your podcast, i'll have to stop listening. But then again, I'm very impressed that you'll be donating the money. Kudos!

Once again, great analysis of the upcoming games, so what do you guys think of Street Fighter 4 and Street Fighter II HD? How do you feel about Capcom giving so much love to the 360 & DS but not the PS3?

About Manhunt 2, remember, all publicity is good publicity. Notice all the Hillary Clinton name dropping in the media lately? Whether it's good or bad, they're conditioning the mind for the posibility of another Clinton in the White House. BTW, Rupert Murdoch (media mogul) has been openly meeting with Hillary to strategize. Go figure...

Lastly, HEY CAGS! if you're a senior in high school, DON'T JOIN THE MILITARY!
The military is no longer the defenders of the constitution. They are mercinaries for the central banks and oil cartels. We lost this country in 1913, with the passing of the Federal Reserve Act, and the illegal income tax law. America: From Freedom to Fascism (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5355374476580235299)

[thorbahn3]

Congrats on the ads, I don't mind fast forwarding. For once you're getting money after hundreds of hours of free entertainment. Hel, its still free. Saying your Baby looks like Nien Nunb is a bit wrong. He will one day stumble on that clip one day and get pissed. http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/niennunb/index.html

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/niennunb/img/movie_sm.jpg

[Milkyman]

ads are fine with me as long as its not the same exact 30 second clip 3 times.

[lordwow]

The ads were fine with me, far better than listening to the real radio. Though I did find them pretty funny, "Who's the most beloved Navy in the whole world? Err.. well... I guess us. We built a hospital once... ya..."

I really enjoyed the discussion about Manhunt 2. I think Cheapy hit the nail on the head with his remarks. The CBS Nightly News is doing so poorly they will do absolutely anything to improve ratings, even if it means trying to make a sacrificial lamb out of the video game industry. I mean, I can't really blame them though, the game comes with glass shards. You could cut open your hand opening it!

[Punk_Raven]

Navy.

Accelerate Your LIfe.

And what's wrong with a $$$$a trying to make a profit? If you listened to previous podcasts, they really tried to work things out so it didn't hurt the show much. It wasn't just " ok lets just put these ads in here as much as we can get ".

Also, yeah, Cheapy was keeping it real there, Pyro. No other man would admit that they got "excited" in a room where various Japanese women were in labor. He keeps it real.

[io]

Cheapy, what's up with the "on deck circle" and cloth dividers between multiple women giving birth? WTF? Here you (generally) get the nice hotel-room like suite and THAT is where you also have the baby. Only AFTER you have the baby do you get moved to a crappy regular hospital room ;).

Anyway, my wife and I are always jealous of the people who just have their water break like that, although it looks like it stalled after that (if she needed induction to proceed). We're on our 4th now and she's never had her water break. She's due any time now and we know it won't happen that way - we're in for another 12-18 hour induction session. But kudos to Mrs. Cheapy for going pain-FULL on the delivery. It is particularly painful if you go with the induction, as well, since those artificially-induced contractions are more painful (so I'm told ;)). So be very nice to her!

[DJSteel]

loved the show.. congrats on the baby Cheapy! On your opinions of Half-Life 2

I did a review on the PC version...here..
http://www.xgpgaming.com/content.php?category=DeskPC&type=review&id=1042


I played the 360 version.. the graphics aged with the game, but the loading times were far less than in the pc version...

[orko60]

Am I the only one who had no ads in his podcast? Is it because Itunes downloaded it automatically?

[LiK]

holy crap, the Navy is sponsoring the CAGcast! sign me up! o wait...i don't swim...

anyways, that whole hospital/porno story was friggin hilarious! congrats to you and your wife, Cheapy. i can't believe you compared your son to that dude in Star Wars tho, lol. i'm sure Tai would love to hear this replay when he's older. XD

congrats to Wombat on your new job too. UGO's current game blog is not so good so i hope you fix it up good. i will definitely contribute when i can. ^.^

btw, i agree with this JimmyMac guy, E4 ROCKS!

[Tybee]

The Navy? The YMCA? Is there some unwritten rule that the CAGcast can only consider ads from organizations endorsed by The Village People? What’s next, ads seeking Macho Men?

In all seriousness, I have to say I was more than a little disappointed in Cheapy for running recruitment ads. Let me be clear (and distance myself from lspear as much as possible): I have no problem whatsoever with ads in the CAGcast. Cheapy and Wombat deserve to get paid for what they do. Moreover, my father served in the U.S. Navy for 15 years, and flew A4’s and A7’s in Vietnam, so it’s not like I’m irrationally anti-military. But as others in this thread have said, the vast majority of folks listening to this show already get the full court press from military recruiters as it is. They don’t need it from their favorite video game podcast as well.

I understand Cheapy has tried to mitigate the controversy somewhat by donating his share of the ad revenue. That’s fine. But I think he is flat out wrong in thinking that running Navy ads will earn him some kind of respect or prestige from within the gaming industry or in the media at large. You can't buy credibility. If anything, it could have the opposite effect. The Penny Arcade guys, who are among the most beloved and unassailable personalities in the video game industry, took considerable heat for allowing Army recruiters to set up shop at PAX this year. And rightfully so.

Military recruiting among gamers perpetuates the stereotype that gamers who enjoy blowing up and killing things in the virtual world would like nothing more than the opportunity to blow up and kill things in the real world. It also validates the U.S. military’s tactic of suggesting that going to war is just like playing a video game (“America’s Army” being the most blatant example of this flawed logic). Failure to recognize this ethical compromise suggests, at best, crippling naiveté, and at worst, cynical opportunism.

Please Cheapy, run all the ads you want. Just avoid the ones that encourage your listeners to sign their lives away.

[RANT OVER]

Loved the rest of the show, especially Cheapy's great retelling of the birth of Tai. Played it for my wife last night, who listened with great interest. Also confirmed her ongoing suspcion that you are a big 'ol perv. But she says congratulations, and was very glad you guys went with natural childbirth.

Congrats also to Wombat. Keep reaching for the stars, my friend!

[PyroGamer]

Cheapy going nuts over Katie Couric was hillarious. "Where's that glass shard, I wanna shove it right in her neck." :lol:

[SteveMcQ]

The Navy? The YMCA? Is there some unwritten rule that the CAGcast can only consider ads from organizations endorsed by The Village People? What’s next, ads seeking Macho Men?

In all seriousness, I have to say I was more than a little disappointed in Cheapy for running recruitment ads. Let me be clear (and distance myself from lspear as much as possible): I have no problem whatsoever with ads in the CAGcast. Cheapy and Wombat deserve to get paid for what they do. Moreover, my father served in the U.S. Navy for 15 years, and flew A4’s and A7’s in Vietnam, so it’s not like I’m irrationally anti-military. But as others in this thread have said, the vast majority of folks listening to this show already get the full court press from military recruiters as it is. They don’t need it from their favorite video game podcast as well.

I understand Cheapy has tried to mitigate the controversy somewhat by donating his share of the ad revenue. That’s fine. But I think he is flat out wrong in thinking that running Navy ads will earn him some kind of respect or prestige from within the gaming industry or in the media at large. You can't buy credibility. If anything, it could have the opposite effect. The Penny Arcade guys, who are among the most beloved and unassailable personalities in the video game industry, took considerable heat for allowing Army recruiters to set up shop at PAX this year. And rightfully so.

Military recruiting among gamers perpetuates the stereotype that gamers who enjoy blowing up and killing things in the virtual world would like nothing more than the opportunity to blow up and kill things in the real world. It also validates the U.S. military’s tactic of suggesting that going to war is just like playing a video game (“America’s Army” being the most blatant example of this flawed logic). Failure to recognize this ethical compromise suggests, at best, crippling naiveté, and at worst, cynical opportunism.

Please Cheapy, run all the ads you want. Just avoid the ones that encourage your listeners to sign their lives away.

[RANT OVER]

Loved the rest of the show, especially Cheapy's great retelling of the birth of Tai. Played it for my wife last night, who listened with great interest. Also confirmed her ongoing suspcion that you are a big 'ol perv. But she says congratulations, and was very glad you guys went with natural childbirth.

Congrats also to Wombat. Keep reaching for the stars, my friend!I'm not sure that's a fair assessment. You yourself are making those statements with the mindset that the only reason gamers would go into the military would be to "blow shit up". You propagate the stereotype yourself. The military is an opportunity for some people to get their lives in order. I have friends who don't know which direction to take their lives into and it gives them the chance to improve themselves as individuals and do something worthwhile.

It's also unfair to say something like joining the military is effectively "signing their lives away". You might be surprised how the military can change people's lives for the better. Now I'm not advocating joining the military, but having friends and family in it, I can see what positive results can come from it. DesertEagle is another guy who can attest to how much the military has helped him in his life.

It's not so much that the advertising targets those with the penchant for blowing things up and killing people, it's that gamers are in the age range that the military is looking for.

[stonefry]

Cheapy, what's up with the "on deck circle" and cloth dividers between multiple women giving birth? WTF? Here you (generally) get the nice hotel-room like suite and THAT is where you also have the baby. Only AFTER you have the baby do you get moved to a crappy regular hospital room ;).

Anyway, my wife and I are always jealous of the people who just have their water break like that, although it looks like it stalled after that (if she needed induction to proceed). We're on our 4th now and she's never had her water break. She's due any time now and we know it won't happen that way - we're in for another 12-18 hour induction session. But kudos to Mrs. Cheapy for going pain-FULL on the delivery. It is particularly painful if you go with the induction, as well, since those artificially-induced contractions are more painful (so I'm told ;)). So be very nice to her!

I second all of this. We had a huge nice room at each of the hospitals we had our 2 babies in. Private bathroom and fold out couch/bed for the dad. My wife's water never broke either (well the doctor broke it both times). Then long induced labor. Epidurals are the best. We highly recommend them.

[Trenchalicious]

EDIT:

Shema?

So now you're telling us your wife's name? Crrrrzy!!! Now I'm just wondering about Wombat. (Stewart, Spencer?)


It's been given out about 5 previous times. The Wombat name is the one that remains a secret. I'm going with Chester.

[Trenchalicious]

I understand Cheapy has tried to mitigate the controversy somewhat by donating his share of the ad revenue. That’s fine. But I think he is flat out wrong in thinking that running Navy ads will earn him some kind of respect or prestige from within the gaming industry or in the media at large. You can't buy credibility. If anything, it could have the opposite effect.

Exactly what I have been trying to say :applause:

[LiK]

It's been given out about 5 previous times. The Wombat name is the one that remains a secret. I'm going with Chester.

they mentioned that his name starts with an S in a previous podcast.

[Trenchalicious]

Probably Sam or Samson.

[trabbahabba]

"Where's that glass shard, I wanna shove it right in her neck."

The Navy. Accelerate your life.

hehehe

[orntar]

great show, dont mind the ads, at least they are respectable, and not painful to listen too.

[Tybee]

I'm not sure that's a fair assessment. You yourself are making those statements with the mindset that the only reason gamers would go into the military would be to "blow shit up". You propagate the stereotype yourself. The military is an opportunity for some people to get their lives in order. I have friends who don't know which direction to take their lives into and it gives them the chance to improve themselves as individuals and do something worthwhile.

It's also unfair to say something like joining the military is effectively "signing their lives away". You might be surprised how the military can change people's lives for the better. Now I'm not advocating joining the military, but having friends and family in it, I can see what positive results can come from it. DesertEagle is another guy who can attest to how much the military has helped him in his life.

It's not so much that the advertising targets those with the penchant for blowing things up and killing people, it's that gamers are in the age range that the military is looking for.
You make valid points, and perhaps I did generalize somewhat. As I said, my father was Navy, and it helped him become a commercial airline pilot, so it's not like there aren't benefits. And I also agree that military service helps a lot of people with few other options to turn their lives around. But it also results in a lot of people sacrificing body, mind, and spirt for a senseless war. You think the military's first priority is helping you pay for college or training you for a career? Of course not. They need warm bodies in the Persian Gulf, and they have quotas to meet.

And I'm sorry, but I am HIGHLY skeptical that they are targeting gamers simply because they are in the right "age range." There's more going on than that.

[Kosh]

so it’s not like I’m irrationally anti-military.



Please Cheapy, run all the ads you want. Just avoid the ones that encourage your listeners to sign their lives away.


FAIL!

[DJSteel]

the best is when he said.. here is a few words from the Arbiter about the Navy...lol

[LiK]

the best is when he said.. here is a few words from the Arbiter about the Navy...lol

yea, at least that's game-related...sorta, lol

[level1online]

don't forget to add "Free Video Games" in there as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd1tkeizVHc

[drspock4ever]

1. No problem with the ads

2. I tried to put the word "fart" in my xbox live motto and i received the message that it contained explicit language. I had to take it out. Apparently Fart is another four letter word.

[lordwow]

You make valid points, and perhaps I did generalize somewhat. As I said, my father was Navy, and it helped him become a commercial airline pilot, so it's not like there aren't benefits. And I also agree that military service helps a lot of people with few other options to turn their lives around. But it also results in a lot of people sacrificing body, mind, and spirt for a senseless war. You think the military's first priority is helping you pay for college or training you for a career? Of course not. They need warm bodies in the Persian Gulf, and they have quotas to meet.

And I'm sorry, but I am HIGHLY skeptical that they are targeting gamers simply because they are in the right "age range." There's more going on than that.

They're looking for warm bodies who will do what they're told to (ie: join the Navy because an ad on the CAGCast told them to). Unfortunately for them, I think the CAGCast is the wrong demographic.

[mnine]

I'm already tired all the fucking pussies complaining about the advertisements already. If you saw three advertisement for every two hours you spent surfing the internet you'd probably shit yourself in disbelief. It's not that bad!

The CAGCast is a great show, they deserve to make something off of it. If 'selling out' now means not getting paid for working then maybe you should all reconsider your jobs.

[Hired.Geek]

Holy crap Cheapy and Wombat, two hours long I thought I accidentally downloaded a 1Up episode.

Wow, Katie Couric…… it is obvious why rating have went in the tank for the CBS evening news. Maybe she should go back to school for Journalism 101. First rule of journalism should be, keep your unsubstantiated opinions to yourself only deal with facts. “Playing video games is hazardous to their health.” A good journalist would present both sides of the issue show the possible benefits as well as possible negatives. “But retailers have been known to sell it to underage kids “, yeah the same happens with alcohol and cigarettes not to mention rentals of rated R movies which depict the same if not worse acts in them, too but their sure is no out cry to ban them. “Violent video games can cause kids to act more aggressively”, hmmm she forgot to include that listening music and watching TV or Movies that depicts violence also causes children (and adults) to act more aggressively. In fact if you look at that same study, it shows that playing video games has about the same affect as watching a violent movie. But as Cheapy and Wombat pointed out nobody is asking for a ban on those items. For that great news segment we should dub her the Jaclyn Thompson of CBS. “Quote, Unquote entertainment”….maybe we should say Katie Couric, Quote News Journalist Unquote. Hey Katie I got an entry for your note book it reads “Note to self, remember to just shut up and sit there and look pretty. Let all the heavy thinking and real news to real journalists who are more then just a pretty face.”

Wombat, way to ask the hard questions! This whole XBox 360 failure rate is kind of this topic that no one at Microsoft really wants to talk about. If you ever listen to the GamerScoreBlog’s Podcast god knows they never field any hard questions on there. Wombat maybe you should take over some more of the interview questions. Just a point in fact, I have an Xbox 360 that I purchased in December of 2005 and it is still running. I bought the two year replacement warranty from Best Buy, and now I kind of would like to take advantage of price drops. I am thinking that one way or another that Xbox will have a Red Ring of Death so I can take it to Best Buy and upgrade to an Elite for $50. Although I kind of feel bad killing off the one Xbox 360 that actually seems to work.

[Trenchalicious]

I'm already tired all the fucking pussies complaining about the advertisements already. If you saw three advertisement for every two hours you spent surfing the internet you'd probably shit yourself in disbelief. It's not that bad!

The CAGCast is a great show, they deserve to make something off of it. If 'selling out' now means not getting paid for working then maybe you should all reconsider your jobs.


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[JadedJedi]

Tybee, I think you just made me your new best friend!

[umcthomas]

I wanted to put a vote in that I am good with the ads. CheapyD has set a standard for the lenght and amount of ads in an episode and it's not bad.

Also, there is a substantial difference between buying a game disk and buying a car. A used car is less capable and reliable whereas a used game has all the same usefulness as when it was first bought. I will miss used games but I think the next generation of systems will see games at the store as "content disk" games with a one use code to unlock the content.

M$ (and others) sell over XBLA-type systems; and sure you own them, but I challenge you to sell them again. Maybe we should start a class action lawsuit about the inability to sell live arcade games when we are done with them.

umcthomas

[Levizk]

I wanted to put a vote in that I am good with the ads. CheapyD has set a standard for the lenght and amount of ads in an episode and it's not bad.

Also, there is a substantial difference between buying a game disk and buying a car. A used car is less capable and reliable whereas a used game has all the same usefulness as when it was first bought. I will miss used games but I think the next generation of systems will see games at the store as "content disk" games with a one use code to unlock the content.

M$ (and others) sell over XBLA-type systems; and sure you own them, but I challenge you to sell them again. Maybe we should start a class action lawsuit about the inability to sell live arcade games when we are done with them.

umcthomas

The lawsuit would never never even make it to court, because every Microsoft product you buy has a huge waiver that you agree to before you can use it. I'm a PC gamer and not a console gamer, so I'm not familiar with what type of EULA you sign off on when you partake of XBLA games, however I'm sure it's there. Once I opened a letter from Microsoft and a slip of paper fell out telling me that by opening the envelope I had agreed to the following (of course that would've never held up in court), that's how bad they are with those things.

As for the one use codes with content disks, I'm not sure if that will happen with the next generation or the current one. Broadband prices are going to continue to drop over the next few years, and companies want to make the transition to complete digital delivery. I think it's conceivable that you may see the transition stage of the content disk beginning during the end of this generation in an attempt to be fully digital by the next one.

[crazytalkx]

I didn't hear the ads. Got it via Itunes, oddddddd.

[umcthomas]

The lawsuit would never never even make it to court, because every Microsoft product you buy has a huge waiver that you agree to before you can use it. I'm a PC gamer and not a console gamer, so I'm not familiar with what type of EULA you sign off on when you partake of XBLA games, however I'm sure it's there. Once I opened a letter from Microsoft and a slip of paper fell out telling me that by opening the envelope I had agreed to the following (of course that would've never held up in court), that's how bad they are with those things.

As for the one use codes with content disks, I'm not sure if that will happen with the next generation or the current one. Broadband prices are going to continue to drop over the next few years, and companies want to make the transition to complete digital delivery. I think it's conceivable that you may see the transition stage of the content disk beginning during the end of this generation in an attempt to be fully digital by the next one.

The reason I think disks will hang on is because retailors (like walmart) will encorage sales to stay that way. Plus, while broadband prices drop the amount of content storage and transfer you need for each subsequent generation increases. I think you're right that they will try it this gen to look for consumer reaction.

While I may have agreed to the terms of xbla, the lawsuit would have to address that you can't sign away your consumer rights so easily. A friend of mine is a business lawyer and knows much more about this sort of thing. I'll ask him some time but I'm sure he'll say you are right.


umcthomas

[MaxDense]

My money's on Stuart.

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[Bazz]

Cheapy the show was great and congrats to Wombat on the new job at ugo. Cheapy the Major interview was very intresting to me I rather hear about the inside of the offices then pr questions you can get from any other website.

[CYRiX]

I must say, some people are really little screaming bitches just because there are some ads...

Good show gentlemen.

[Gentlegamer]

It's been given out about 5 previous times. The Wombat name is the one that remains a secret. I'm going with Chester.Chester the Molester

[Besko]

Good episode ... I am on Wombat side about Microsoft Xbox live points !!!

[bobthecat23]

all right show kinda stale prbly the lenght that made it stale congrats wombat and cheapyd i think trixie should NEVER appear in public

[Kiriku]

Hey, I just registered here at CAG, representing Sweeeeeeeeden! :applause:
I've been a CAGcast listener for a long time though, probably a year or so. At the beginning, I kind of disliked the podcast. I remember even skipping a few eps, but I started listening again and it grew on me, partly because of the friendly and relaxed atmosphere, and the change of pace from the many podcasts about gaming I normally listen to.

So yeah, I have to admit I really enjoy listening to the CAGcast nowadays. You appear as pretty normal guys, which works like a double-edged sword in my eyes. Sometimes it kind of pisses me off how uninformed you are about certain news, other times I'm fascinated by your theories and ideas because they shed new light on subjects in ways I haven't even considered.

Oh, and I actually have a podcast of my own together with a friend since april this year, but it's only in Swedish unfortunately. Or, perhaps, fortunately! Still the most prominent gaming podcast in Sweden, I would say. But there are about 4-5 in total, so yeah... :lol:
Anyway, enough pointless self-pimping. Let me just say, I find the CAGcast to be a good inspiration for my show in some ways. :)

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. I just wanted to show my appreciation for the CAGcast. I reckon the actual Cheap-ass site is pretty useless to me, since I live in Sweden and all. But I still enjoy the podcast, so keep it up! And of course, congrats to CheapyD for becoming a father. :)

[OVERKILL1972]

Great show as usual.

I swear the internet is full of bitching and moaning idiots. If you morons don't like the ads or what Cheapy and Wombat do with THEIR show then don't listen to it. It's not like you guys are paying for it. The show is free. No matter what message board you go to there will always be some dolts who have to piss and moan about every little thing. GET OVER IT AND YOURSELVES.

[swerv]

So many words to read in this thread, I'll do it later (probably)

Anyway, this has been the best show for a while. Really enjoyed it, thanks for your efforts CheapyD and Wombat.

Great length, great balance of some personal ramblings and game talk and Wombat seems to say more than usual. Win!

Ad's aren't really going to bother me that much, I would guess in general most listeners would prefer not to waste time listening to them and having them break up the flow of the show but I listen to quite a few podcasts and am used to skipping parts I have no interest in (like certain podcasts that put in musical breaks which is fucking lame) so I'll most likely do that.

Please tell us exactly how long the ad's will last so I can skip them easily.

Anyway thanks again for making 2 hours of playing Hellgate London enjoyable, when the podcast ended I managed to force myself to play another 10 minutes or so, then quit and uninstalled.

edit: ok just read the thread, so ads were in this episode? None for me, Orko60 or Crazytalkx by the looks of it. Maybe US targetted ad's like join the navy should be kept to a US edition of the show and an 'International' version can be without ads :) Because ad's are one thng, totally irrelevant ad's are a complete waste of space and pointless.

[mega_n00bzer]

no ads in mine either. whats the deal cheapy?

[CheapyD]

no ads in mine either. whats the deal cheapy?The ads aren't inserted if you live outside the USA.

[memsg]

Great show, made two hours at work pass by quick. i've got no complaints about the ads.

[maxgle]

This is one awesome episode, I havnt had this much laugh for a while now..

[swerv]

"The ads aren't inserted if you live outside the USA."

Genius.

I love ad's, the more the merrier :)

[Captain Freeze]

More Ads Less Talk!

[magiic]

I would like the Wii version. I think you should keep the ps2 version. My reasoning is I need a new Wii game to play and the ps2 version is likely the 2nd best version of it.

EDIT: as per the podcast I am indeed old enough to purchase Manhunt

[LiK]

The ads aren't inserted if you live outside the USA.
makes sense. but Keith David's voice is friggin badass which makes the ads bearable.

[GenDV138]

Listened to the show the other day, great show as always, Cheapy and Wombat! And thanks for adding the sound clips from the last DC CAG meet-up, that was a pretty nice surprise!

[Nephlabobo]

The ads aren't inserted if you live outside the USA.

I wondered why I didn't hear them.

How does that work? Did you make a U.S. and non U.S. version of the show?

Does that mean you won't hear them either, since you live in Japan?

(Hilarious!)

[DQT]

First, you guys say Michael Pachter has no credibility, then Wombat calls Major Nelson a vagina clown, and now CheapyD wants to stab Katie Couric with a shard of glass.

Can we expect Katie Couric to be a special guest 4 to 5 episodes from now?

[SteveMcQ]

BTW, Cheapy...where the hell were the baby unboxing videos? Or should we be expecting some new unboxing videos of presents left behind by Tai?

[CheapyD]

I wondered why I didn't hear them.

How does that work? Did you make a U.S. and non U.S. version of the show?

Does that mean you won't hear them either, since you live in Japan?

(Hilarious!)

The ads are inserted by our podcast host, but only to those who have USA IP address.

Yes, I haven't heard them in the show.

[MaskedPlague]

Great show as always Cheapy and Wombat. I have no problems with the ads since I know where the fast forward button is on my iPod. As a Navy veteran, I believe that there are a few misconceptions that should be debunked:

1. Don't join the Navy to blow "shit" up. It most likely won't happen unless you leave a hot dog in the microwave too long or eat the eggs from the ship's mess in the morning. You'll be blowing up, yo.

2. While joining the Navy is a huge committment, you really are not signing your life away. There are some great benefits to joining the Navy while you are in and after you leave. Also, once you get past basic training, there is a lot of fun to be had, and chicks dig the uniform. Seriously, I was surprised too.

3. Don't believe anything a recruiter tells you. Do the research.

4. You don't have to be able to swim to join the Navy, but you probably want to learn before you go to basic training.

5. You will never meet the Arbiter.

[Cao Cao]

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"You should join the Navy kid. Get three square meals a day, and all the gay sex y'can handle." - Gus

[retail sucks]

Ask Major Nelson:

Why doesn't LIVE have moderators to help support the Rep, feedback, & Complaint system?

IMO, since the service is on a pay basis & the feedback system is just useless you should be able to have a mod spectate games & pose as regular LIVE online players to help keep the cursing, name calling, & etc down.

[DesertEagleXIX]

The ads are inserted by our podcast host, but only to those who have USA IP address.

Yes, I haven't heard them in the show.

How does that work? Is that a requirement of the Navy?

[AlphakirA]

The CAGCast is free and two hours long worth of pretty damn good entertainment while I'm working. I can deal with the Arbitor for a minute and ½ total, it's not that bad. Thanks for another great CAGCast guys :D

[sodoom]

...STFU! Whats the big deal? I mean shit if the ads were three 90 sec spots then fine gripe away...but tiny 30 sec spots? Please! I co-host a tiny run of the mill podcast and if we got offered to have ads we would NOT have a problem...at all. As long as they were short ads. Keep up the good work Cheapy!

P.S. I cried when my daughter was born 10 years ago. I think it makes you a even better man than you ever were to admit that, not to mention having a child to raise, and take care of makes you a better human being all together.

[michaema]

Good show

[yukine]

I would like the ps2 version of Manhunt because i only have a PS2, and I think Wombat should keep the Wii version as he would be able to get a more immersive experience as you can actually simulate the murderous movements in the game with the Wii.

I am old enough to purchase this game, too old as it is: 26

Wrong thread: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157865

[michaema]

Wrong thread: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157865 (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157865)


Sorry, Thanks

[Kendro]

The whole pregnancy skit was brilliant Cheapy. You had me rolling so hard at work that everyone around me was giving me a WTF look. The whole "Maybe I just pissed myself" got me started and I completely broke down with the porno in the hospital.

Though it obviously comes from a true story, do you plan this as a skit so you know exactly how to set up the story or is this just coming naturally through the course of the conversation? The delivery was perfect. I didn't think anything would come close to the story of you needing to take a dump before your AOTS appearance but this was definitely a close second.

[chesspiece_face]

Regarding the blocked words on Xbox live. I was attempting to set my gamer motto to the brilliant line from the simpsons: "Go Banana!" Apparantly the script blocks "Banana!". You can put it in without the exclamation, and you can use the exclamation for many other words but don't you even think about combining "Banana" with an exclamation you filthy bastards.

[daphatty]

Great show guys. The "Kick you in the balls" comment made me laugh hysterically. Sorry about that. Hey, if your friends can't be honest with you then no one will be. ;)

Oh, one more thing. I think the CAGcast audience actually would have preferred to hear Major's canned "That's certainly something we are looking into" response. We all know such responses are a smoke screen. That gives us more of a reason to be bitter towards MS and the Major rather than Wombat and Cheapy for not representing the community's cumulative voice. :)

[jaystaeb8]

I too am going to complain about the ads. I have no problem with advertising and sponsorship of the CAGcast. In fact Foreplay's sponsorship is respectable, impressive and effective.

My gripe comes from the fact that it is the Navy. They don't belong in the CAGcast and if you think them sponsoring the CAGcast will lead to future and better endorsements, think again. The Navy would sponsor anything if it thought it might lead to 1 new recruit, they are a bottom feeder advertiser who would buy time anywhere that will offer it. If you want a spring board to better industry advertisers, selling time to the Navy is not the way to do it. The Navy thinks they will get recruits or they wouldn't have paid for the ads, so they must have had success with similar ad campaigns in the past. It pisses me off that you would help them exploit your listeners.

I refuse to do business with credit card companies that target students with "incentives" that virtually assure they will be owned by the credit card company for years after college. The fact that Citibank handles most student loans, then offers those clients a credit card that gives bonuses when used at electronics outlets and specific products like iPods and TVs pisses me off.

There is advertising then there exploitation, guess where I think the Navy ads fall.

[willardhaven]

I too am going to complain about the ads. I have no problem with advertising and sponsorship of the CAGcast. In fact Foreplay's sponsorship is respectable, impressive and effective.

My gripe comes from the fact that it is the Navy. They don't belong in the CAGcast and if you think them sponsoring the CAGcast will lead to future and better endorsements, think again. The Navy would sponsor anything if it thought it might lead to 1 new recruit, they are a bottom feeder advertiser who would buy time anywhere that will offer it. If you want a spring board to better industry advertisers, selling time to the Navy is not the way to do it. The Navy thinks they will get recruits or they wouldn't have paid for the ads, so they must have had success with similar ad campaigns in the past. It pisses me off that you would help them exploit your listeners.

I refuse to do business with credit card companies that target students with "incentives" that virtually assure they will be owned by the credit card company for years after college. The fact that Citibank handles most student loans, then offers those clients a credit card that gives bonuses when used at electronics outlets and specific products like iPods and TVs pisses me off.

There is advertising then there exploitation, guess where I think the Navy ads fall.

Agreed 100%.

[gman8505]

I too am going to complain about the ads. I have no problem with advertising and sponsorship of the CAGcast. In fact Foreplay's sponsorship is respectable, impressive and effective.

My gripe comes from the fact that it is the Navy. They don't belong in the CAGcast and if you think them sponsoring the CAGcast will lead to future and better endorsements, think again. The Navy would sponsor anything if it thought it might lead to 1 new recruit, they are a bottom feeder advertiser who would buy time anywhere that will offer it. If you want a spring board to better industry advertisers, selling time to the Navy is not the way to do it. The Navy thinks they will get recruits or they wouldn't have paid for the ads, so they must have had success with similar ad campaigns in the past. It pisses me off that you would help them exploit your listeners.

I refuse to do business with credit card companies that target students with "incentives" that virtually assure they will be owned by the credit card company for years after college. The fact that Citibank handles most student loans, then offers those clients a credit card that gives bonuses when used at electronics outlets and specific products like iPods and TVs pisses me off.

There is advertising then there exploitation, guess where I think the Navy ads fall.I have no problem with the Navy's ads, your gripe about the Navy sponsoring only because they think they can get new recruits, makes absolutely no sense. All advertisers have the same goal, to get you interested in their product, service, opportunity, etc. it is up to the listener to decide if it's right for them. Cheapy and Wombat don't have to take heat for not baby sitting CAG'S and keeping them away from the big bad Navy. It's up to the listener to research the pro's and con's and the B.S claims that the military makes to get you to sign up.

[Tybee]

I have no problem with the Navy's ads, your gripe about the Navy sponsoring only because they think they can get new recruits, makes absolutely no sense. All advertisers have the same goal, to get you interested in their product, service, opportunity, etc. it is up to the listener to decide if it's right for them. Cheapy and Wombat don't have to take heat for not baby sitting CAG'S and keeping them away from the big bad Navy. It's up to the listener to research the pro's and con's and the B.S claims that the military makes to get you to sign up.

There's some truth in what you say, but I also think you're letting Cheapy and Wombat off the hook too easily. By your logic, they could accept ads from NAMBLA or the KKK (not that I'm equating the Navy with those organizations) and then throw up their hands and say, "Hey, it was a business decision. The listeners can make up their own minds about whether this is right or wrong!"

How pathetic would that sound?

[gman8505]

There's some truth in what you say, but I also think you're letting Cheapy and Wombat off the hook too easily. By your logic, they could accept ads from NAMBLA or the KKK (not that I'm equating the Navy with those organizations) and then throw up their hands and say, "Hey, it was a business decision. The listeners can make up their own minds about whether this is right or wrong!"

How pathetic would that sound?
You are right, I left that too wide open, I didn't mean that they can just put anything on that they want and it's up to us to like it or not not. What I meant was that it's up to the listener to weed through the b.s. that the military promises in it's ads.