CAGcast #96: You Wouldn't Like Me When I'm Angry

[CheapyD]

CheapyD is up all night changing diapers while Wombat is attending fancy Nintendo events. Join us for discussions on the latest games and gaming news, the answers to your CAGbag (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71382) questions, and so much more!

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[Unlucky97]

And just when it thought i was going to go to bed I notice a download on itunes! Guess i'll be pulling an all nighter

[Porksta]

My iTunes hasn't updated the Podcasts yet, are you sure it has been released? Maybe after I wake up I will find out.

[daphatty]

Woot Woot! Two weeks in a row! I was expecting some "new parent" flake-age (not that I would blame you). +1 respect points for massive endurance!

Comments to come after the show...

[CheapyD]

My iTunes hasn't updated the Podcasts yet, are you sure it has been released? Maybe after I wake up I will find out.Click the refresh button on your Podcasts subscription page. I got it.

[adamska2020]

Sweet hair pic cheapy. You are giving me a broner. (A man inspired boner. Bro get it?) Ah Fuck I'm funny.

[gunm]

Yay, new cagcast! Tagged...

[FriskyTanuki]

You can buy a game these days for $20, you can buy Mercury Meltdown Revolution, which came out a few weeks ago.

The intro video for the spanish game you mentioned, Cheapy, is actually Activision's game, not Ubisoft's game.

[Trenchalicious]

This should be interesting

[Trenchalicious]

Well I was wrong, you didn't discuss the ad situation and you missed my point... plus the number of people complaining was more than 2. You just acted like, in a way… it’s tough shit for the people. Spin it all you want, but you clearly did not read the real complaints... which was, the breaks in the middle of the show hurts the momentum. If the ads were at the start and end, that would be fine. Having ads, while not pleasant, isn't the issue. The issue is where they are at. Next ad campaign you have, don't fold to the advertisers to try to get more credibility. You are CheapyD, be yourself.

The rest of the show is such high quality, don’t hurt the product in any way. The product is why people listen. Just a little advice, but what do I know... I only have listened to all the shows.

[buzzcola]

cagcast is on :hot:

ads are short and dont bother me and shouldnt bother others

:rofl:

[CheapyD]

Well I was wrong, you didn't discuss the ad situation and you missed my point... plus the number of people complaining was more than 2. You just acted like, in a way… it’s tough shit for the people. Spin it all you want, but you clearly did not read the real complaints... which was, the breaks in the middle of the show hurts the momentum.
In this particular case, I don't have a choice...the ads have to spread across the show. The final ad is pretty much at the end of the show. I'm not allowed to put it as the last thing.

In this case, I didn't really have any negotiating power. This was a blanket contract across many different podcasts. It was the kind of thing where you were either in or out. I will take your comments into consideration in the future.

[Trenchalicious]

Fair enough, that is a much better answer than what was on the show. I didn't know the Navy was such Nazi's.

As for DLC in Guitar Hero... how about they do a 3 pack like before, but you get to choose which 3 songs you want. Discuss.

[HooHaa]

Just finished listening to the show and I must say I appreciate the free entertainment from the both of you. :applause:

Thanks for answering my question Cheapy.

[Nephlabobo]

I'll have to post a picture - it's incredibly eerie how much you look like my brother in law when you have hair.

As for the baby whining - suck it up!

My friend and his wife had *twins* in August and he still finds time for gaming. He usually has a controller in his hand and a baby in the other.

It's pretty funny hearing Wombat getting all the free stuff, as it he was complaining about that when I first started listening a couple of months ago.

I also like being a dirty foreigner and not getting the ads.

[Sideswiper]

Crysis will run awesome on your new baby!

Sorry, I'm just dissapointed. You've mentioned upgrading to a real PC before for Crysis and then you buy a Mac.

[banodyne]

Cheapy, for the charity alternative I'd like to suggest the Hero Initiative. While not directly linked to video games, there have been a lot of comic book based video games. And Wombat would like supporting them too. Basically, a lot of older comic creators did what they did because they loved the art but they worked freelance. Some have made a comfortable life for themselves but others weren't so lucky. Heroes Initiative helps out the guys who created some of your favorite stories and characters. They are a federally approved not-for-profit.

http://www.heroinitiative.org/

[Trenchalicious]

Hey Cheapy, whatever happened to the Sony...errr... Circuit City crap?

[CheapyD]

Hey Cheapy, whatever happened to the Sony...errr... Circuit City crap?Nothing yet...and I'm afraid to email my attorney to ask, because it costs me $150 ever time they write me back.

[lokizz]

Well I was wrong, you didn't discuss the ad situation and you missed my point... plus the number of people complaining was more than 2. You just acted like, in a way… it’s tough shit for the people. Spin it all you want, but you clearly did not read the real complaints... which was, the breaks in the middle of the show hurts the momentum. If the ads were at the start and end, that would be fine. Having ads, while not pleasant, isn't the issue. The issue is where they are at. Next ad campaign you have, don't fold to the advertisers to try to get more credibility. You are CheapyD, be yourself.

The rest of the show is such high quality, don’t hurt the product in any way. The product is why people listen. Just a little advice, but what do I know... I only have listened to all the shows.

part of the deal for the ads maybe have been that he needed to do them at diff points within the show because they know full well if they ads were at the begginning or the end wed skip them then theyd be paying money for nothing. im not into the ads either but trust me it could be worse. there could be annoying buzzing popups all over the damn place and even worse than they he could be sponsored by tampax or viagra or even worse ryan seacrest.


cant hate on a man for tryin to fill his pockets how he can cause kids arent cheap.especially when theyre babies because diapers and baby shit can add up and put a hole in your wallet that rosie odonnel can fit through with ease. i do wonder though if youre gonna be able to keep up with gaming though nwo that you have a kid. its gonna be pretty hard to do so wombats gonna have to pull double duty unless you get a live in nanny.........make sure shes a hott one that loves to clean naked and in high heels....................

[Trenchalicious]

Nothing yet...and I'm afraid to email my attorney to ask, because it costs me $150 ever time they write me back.

Good lord your wife charges a lot. Hope that email finishes with a happy ending for that cost.

Seriously though, that is really lame. I wonder if 'The City' just gave up and went out for some Hot Dogs.

[traslin]

Cheapy,

What are you? Obviously, you aren't Japanese (even though you kind of look like you might be). Hispanic? Some other kind of Asian? A melting pot of flavors?

[Sideswiper]

Cheapy,

What are you? Obviously, you aren't Japanese (even though you kind of look like you might be). Hispanic? Some other kind of Asian? A melting pot of flavors?

He's clearly revealed his otherworldly origins in previous podcasts. Try episode #42.

[ScottG13]

I love angry Cheapy. It's hilarious. Like Evil Spock. I bet he's growing a gotee this week.

Also, keep rolling the ads. Tell the haters to STFU. More money means better CAG.com and more games for the CAGCasters to talk about and that is fine by me.

[ArthurDigbySellers]

Cheapy, I know your pain (as do many CAG dads). The first 4 months of my little girl's life were a nightmare of constant waking, changing, and listening to almost non-stop crying.

Once she started sleeping through the night (which was around 4 months), things got exponentially better. Just hang in there, lack of sleep is the worst part of the whole thing. It makes you moody as hell, as you know.

[liquidcross]

Great show, guys. But did you really need to stoke the fires of the Sony/NPD conspiracy theory? C'mon, that's the domain of lifeless Xbox 360 and Wii fanboys. NPD just wants to make money, period. I seriously doubt Sony had anything to do with it.

[steverl22]

Good show indeed, keep up the good work wombat. Some how you've become the best thing on this show.

This is coming from a guy that wanted to beat you up awhile ago.

[h3ro]

Great show, but come on, the Sony NPD thing is a bit much!

[Trenchalicious]

Great show, guys. But did you really need to stoke the fires of the Sony/NPD conspiracy theory? C'mon, that's the domain of lifeless Xbox 360 and Wii fanboys. NPD just wants to make money, period. I seriously doubt Sony had anything to do with it.

You mean like Circuit City wanted to make money... You telling me Sony had nothing to do with that as well? Sony is arrogant. Having their numbers being at the bottom every month doesn't do them any favors, it's an embarassment and they know it.

[Trenchalicious]

I love angry Cheapy. It's hilarious. Like Evil Spock. I bet he's growing a gotee this week.

Also, keep rolling the ads. Tell the haters to STFU. More money means better CAG.com and more games for the CAGCasters to talk about and that is fine by me.

Shove it. There is always room for improvement.

[ScottG13]

Cheapy, Rock Band is my must own game of the season. There are tons of great games this year, but this is the one that rises above the rest. I've had so much fun this year rocking out to GH2 and simply can't wait to get 2 more people in on each song. I look forward to mastering the drums like I somewhat have the guitar. If you're not getting drums, there probably is not much point to RB. Do you really want to sing that badly? RB is for the total package. I'm one of your preorders from August and I can't wait to get this one in. I'm actually taking all of Thanksgiving week off and one of the reasons is Rock Band drums.

[ianoid]

Having a newborn is rough. You definitely are in the warzone for the first 1-2 months. Boys are generally worse than girls, we have one of each.

And everyone, me included, has advice to give you about your baby.

We read all the books, from No Cry to Let them Cry and our kid would cry for an hour before he fell asleep, no matter how many times we would comfort him and no matter how long. And we decided very early against cosleeping.

Basically when the kid reaches 10 pounds, he's getting enough nourishment and doesn't need to wake up 5 times to eat throughout the night. At that point, you want to ween the greedy boy off of night feeds. This should happen by 2 months. Don't expect to be waking up forever, but you can see that if you have one feed in the middle of the night, you'll be better off than every 2 hours. There will be some crying involved, but he's got to get the picture that he's not going to eat every time he wakes up. Ideally, you can get up, comfort him to sleep and not feed him. It doesn't always work out this way. However, some kids just start sleeping through the night on their own.

And it gets easier when they stop dumping every time they eat. That happens around 2 months as well. 2 months is a big breaking point usually.

Our son wouldn't sleep much and almost nothing would comfort him. He still doesn't sleep alot. We resorted to a 'dream feed' where we would feed him at around 10pm while he was sleeping to try to fill up his belly and avoid his waking up at midnight or 1am. That didn't last long. Another thing is that formula is more filling and may help him sleep more, but then you run some risk of nipple confusion and milk preference, which sucks if you plan to do 6-12 months of breast feeding.

Oh, I do recommend tightly swaddling them. Google swaddle. You have to swaddle them like a little straightjacket so that they can't escape. Surprisingly most babies find it comforting, and it's a satisfying revenge process for the parents.

One different approach is that some women (nanny types) offer a night weening service where they take care of the kid at night for a few days- you bank some milk for them, and they get up with the kid and get them back to sleep. Their successes change 5 night wake-ups to none. The advantage of this is their robotic adherance to the no feed plan (whereas sleep deprived parents just feed the kid out of desperation) and the fact that they don't smell like mama and don't have the same queues for the baby to feed and be comforted by that. We spoke to a woman about this but it was too late, we'd already wrangled our little bastard into near submission.

Remember, parents tend to promote behaviors in their babies out of desperation and habit, but I suggest you do what works for you at night, rather than what works for the baby, once he is over 10 pounds and doing well. It can take a week or two for a new sleep habit to take hold, although most kids get it after a few days. So you have to stick to the program to train them, sometimes no matter how painful. With our son we wouldn't see results for a week and then two weeks for something to be firmly engrained. Bastard.

I also suggest avoiding cosleeping. Don't get the kid used to being in bed with you as it's a hard habit to break.

Down with La Leche!

[HOVA uk]

Ha Ha.. no ads for me.. screw you americans.. you may get games earlier , but i don't hear ads.. i win.

Listening noww...

[Cagfreak]

No ads for me too( live in japan)
so CheapyD and Wombat,Thank you for aswering my question!
the second i heard Cagfreak, i was like "holy shit!"

well thanks guys, it was a nice show.
hope things get better with tai and his problems of waking you up, or your probably going to end up getting the red ring of death"so called the red circle"(meanin red eyes for not enough sleep)
he didnt seem to interupt the show though

[youruglyclone]

selling the site again?

I've got 5000 dollars from a recent personal injury settlement...interested?

[liquidcross]

You mean like Circuit City wanted to make money... You telling me Sony had nothing to do with that as well? Sony is arrogant. Having their numbers being at the bottom every month doesn't do them any favors, it's an embarassment and they know it.
If you want to follow that logic, sure they've got the motive, but they don't have the means, as they're bleeding money. MS has the money and the means, as they're getting slaughtered by the Wii, and have bottomless coffers. So how come no one's spreading rampant MS/NPD rumors?

Simple. It's just chapter 3,048 in the Sony Bash Book.

[Trenchalicious]

If you want to follow that logic, sure they've got the motive, but they don't have the means, as they're bleeding money. MS has the money and the means, as they're getting slaughtered by the Wii, and have bottomless coffers. So how come no one's spreading rampant MS/NPD rumors?

Simple. It's just chapter 3,048 in the Sony Bash Book.

Slaughtered?

The Xbox 360 still leads console sales in the USA and recently had a game sell like 3 million in it's first week... what was that game called again... oh yes, Halo 3.

[Trenchalicious]

Don't even get me started on attach rate.

No case can be made for Wii or 360.

Sony has a history of doing or saying dumb things. I wonder if I can still get in that $1200 if I see a system deal.

[liquidcross]

Slaughtered?

The Xbox 360 still leads console sales in the USA and recently had a game sell like 3 million in it's first week... what was that game called again... oh yes, Halo 3.
I seem to recall the Wii outselling Xbox 360's total sales in less than half the time. For a console often bashed as "underpowered" and "kiddie," it's already surpassed MS' high-def machine. That's got MS and Sony worried. As far as Halo 3...the Wii had no major releases in September, and still sold half a million units. What do you think will happen when Galaxy launches?

[traslin]

I seem to recall the Wii outselling Xbox 360's total sales in less than half the time. For a console often bashed as "underpowered" and "kiddie," it's already surpassed MS' high-def machine. That's got MS and Sony worried. As far as Halo 3...the Wii had no major releases in September, and still sold half a million units. What do you think will happen when Galaxy launches?
I think you are overplaying the sales of the Wii hardware. It is cheaper, so yeah it is going to move more units. Also, hardware doesn't make money, selling games makes money, and the 360 is clearly selling way more software than the Wii is.

I'm by no means saying that the 360 is "slaughtering" the Wii, but I think you are going way overboard in your statement. Their install base is nearly the same now, which is a good sign for the Wii. However, if they don't start publishing more decent games, it won't matter how many consoles they will have sold.

[ScottG13]

I think you are overplaying the sales of the Wii hardware. It is cheaper, so yeah it is going to move more units. Also, hardware doesn't make money, selling games makes money, and the 360 is clearly selling way more software than the Wii is.

I'm by no means saying that the 360 is "slaughtering" the Wii, but I think you are going way overboard in your statement. Their install base is nearly the same now, which is a good sign for the Wii. However, if they don't start publishing more decent games, it won't matter how many consoles they will have sold.

Even good games aren't going to sell that great on Wii. The systems are in the hands of non-traditionals who buy 1 or 2 games a year may be. They're not buying games like Dead Rising or Saints Row or Lost Planet (which sold 1m+ on 360). They're buying first party Nintendo mingame compilations. Wii Sports 2 may be the best selling game of this generation not packed in with the Wii. Do 3rd party devs and publishers care? Yep. They're not going to drop $10-20m on developing for a system that 75% of the users don't buy games for. Attach rate is the name of the game this gen.

[Mex25]

Pretty funny cagcast cheapy (not including wombat, just not a fan of his). Cheapy had a pretty funny line today.
"Did you finish portal yet wombat?"
"No"
"What are you an asshole?"
:rofl:

[jaystaeb8]

Basically when the kid reaches 10 pounds, he's getting enough nourishment and doesn't need to wake up 5 times to eat throughout the night.

You are right about the fact that he is going to get a lot of advice but as a father of 2 kids also, a boy and a girl, what people tell you and what their experiences are don't mean shit. Every kid is different and you need to find out what works for them and you. An example, your blanket statement that 10 pounds means they get enough nourishment to get through the night is ridiculous. My boy was 10 pounds when he was born, my daughter was 9 pounds 8 ounces. They needed more nourishment in the night because they were so big, they had to eat more at night to keep from losing weight.

Just like everything else, nothing is absolute, you have to find what works for you as long as it doesn't include smothering the kid.

Cheapy,
I am very interested in seeing if your opinion changes about paying for Live and multiplayer gaming when you aren't able to use them as much. I know for me a good single player game is way more important than any multiplayer functions a game may have.

[ranger5000]

Hey Cheapy, great show you and Wombat make a great team, just wanted to bring up when you said that you dont listen to other podcasts, except for when you get mentioned it. Sidescrollers over at Srcewattack.com mentioned you during there sidecrollers news desk, they said they would like to have you on the show to talk Christmas deals. I know you did a great toliet tuesday for them. Just thought I would let you know. Congrats on being a papa!

[Xninja]

As the father of a 3 month old, I agree the sublime satisfaction of sleeping through the night for the first time. I think my biggest complaint was no sex for 6 weeks. But I guess that is the unspoken complaint. Cheers on another great CAGcast.

[cdrober]

Thanks for the great show, I think it would be great if you guys could get on some sort of radio/tv program.

Anyways, I was there on the live episodes you did before and I will be there again if you guys do 'em.

:)

[Sideswiper]

http://www.get-well-gamers.org/

Maybe these guys would take your share of the advertisement dollars, Cheapy.

[JadedJedi]

CheapyD, I can feel your anger, It makes you stronger, gives you focus. Take your weapon, strike me down with all of your hatred and you journey toward the dark side will be complete! Now you must direct it at those who are trying to destroy our world and create civil war without end: The Republicans!

[FriskyTanuki]

If Wombat doesn't beat Portal by next week, send him a box full of those shitbags to his new home. ;)

[undeadbabies]

hey cheapy, not that i could complain, being from canada (therefore i don't hear the ads). however i support your venture into the marketing, even if it was just for the money, you're providing a service and therefore are entitled to make some money. i can't see opening a donation system on a site that advocates being cheap working very well. so just keep it low and "keep it real" as usual.

[catapult37]

I agree -- I really can't believe there are people complaining about the ads. They interrupt the momentum? Seriously? It's two guys talking. A 30-second ad in between topics is nothing. I know we're all spoiled on bittorrent and tivo and whatever the hell but if unless you're in elementary school you must recall actually watching TV on the television... with 2 minutes of ads 3-4 times every half hour. You are getting 90 seconds of ads split up over the course of a typically 1.5 hour podcast. And the fact that it's the Arbiter talking to you is just gravy. It's not obtrusive. It's not selling out, and it's not even slightly annoying. QUIT WHINING.

[misfit13b]

Hey Wombat, saw your article linked on Slate re: the Hitman poster.

Although... I don't think I'd go around bragging too loudly, seeing that they linked you to the phrase "small genital bulge". ;)

[Besko]

I hope Sony have some reserves for his life ... Soon I am getting Xbox 360 ... Next friday !!! Cheapy can you tell : Is the higher amount of game demos and trailers on Xbox live everything that Xbox have better from Playstation network ??? Even when I buy Xbox 360 , I will still love PS3 , because I loveee Sony and Playstation brand from 1995 , when it was first released ... Oh and by the way : Excellent show again !

[Porksta]

Just finished listening, great stuff. I strongly advise the dropping your kid off at the day care while you are still home. Pay in cash and pick up before the wife comes home and she will never know.

As for the ads, if you have to have them I am glad they are Navy ads. As a former Navy brat, I can't express how much fun it was getting to walk around the ships when I was younger. Keep up the good work.

[H.Cornerstone]

Cheapy, anybody ever tell you you look like Brendan Fraser?

Sony at the bottom of the NPD numbers? Last I checked, PSP and PS2 have been coming in at 3-4 respectively behind the Wii and DS in most months.

[smellytim]

Cheapy, anybody ever tell you you look like Brendan Fraser?

Sony at the bottom of the NPD numbers? Last I checked, PSP and PS2 have been coming in at 3-4 respectively behind the Wii and DS in most months. yes he does. I was trying to think who he looked like. I was thinking it was Seanbaby, but I think Brendan Fraser might be closer.

[mnine]

This episode was hilarous. I think the Howard Stern show is rubbing off on Cheapy because Wombat is totally the new Baba Booey. Cheapy you just need to threaten to fire him 5 times every show!

Awesome, hilarious. Be Kind, Rewind!

[Trenchalicious]

You know what, now it is fuckin creeping me out!

He does look like Brendan. Maybe Mrs. Cheapy saw The Mummy and thought he was cute.... or weirder... they met after the movie.

[PyroGamer]

Wow, :lol:

I totally expected this show to be this way.

[bobthecat23]

hey cheapy i was wondering if u can post a pic of ur setup of ur imac and ur moniters

[Richlough]

I agree with your NPD numbers theory .
Somebody pulled a Wal*Mart and bullied them into it .

[Tybee]

Damn, Cheapy. I feel for you and everything, but the first third of this CAGcast felt like it was hosted by Captain Bringdown and his faithful sidekick, Whipping Boy. Being a new dad and functioning on zero sleep is super tough, but let's take stock:

1) You have a adorable, healthy baby boy with ten fingers, ten toes, a nice head of hair, and, evidently, a fully functional gastrointestinal system.

2) You still play/talk about/pimp video games for a living. Which, incidentally, means...

3) You don't have to head off to an office each morning, as many new dads would have to at this point, and as your wife will have to in a couple months.

So cheer up! And Wombat, not only did you work your butt off for the site this week, you took one for the team and let Cheapy vent without losing your cool. Nice job!

Also, I want to clarify (again): I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ADS IN THE CAGCAST. Ya'll deserve to get paid. You could put 10 ads in an hour show and I (probably) wouldn't complain. My only gripe is the subject of these particular ads. I think a lot of us feel the same way.

Once things got going, great show. I really enjoyed the Nintendo discussion this week. I had written off Link's Crossbow training and the zapper, but now it sounds like something I might give a try.

[CYRiX]

Whooo! I feel so honored since you to answered my question.

Good show.

[daphatty]

Well, I finally got to listen to the show. Cheapy reminded me of how grumpy I was when my daughter was born. Granted, I was much younger and could handle the lack of sleep a little better but still.

Good show over all guys. I was a little confused about the lack of advertisements until Cheapy explained that the ads are only for people in the US. Which means, I DONT GET THEM! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!! Indonesia finally has something good going for them!

[yukine]

Cheapy, quit being a bitch.

[Zero_Kirby]

Woot two weeks ago

[zewone]

Cheapy, big ups on angry Cheapy. It was quite nice to hear you belittling Wombat.

Wombat, do you think before you speak, or do you just let the words come out and just later choose to back it up because you don't want to admit when you're wrong?

[Gentlegamer]

Cheapy's account of the "minigames" that he plays with his baby sounded almost like a Robert Schimmel joke. :)

By the way, "Meatbag" is what Bender calls Fry, among other things.

[msdmoney]

Great response to the person asking if they should get a PS3 for MGS4. I'll never understand why people always buy systems for games coming out in the future. Wait til the game comes out, by that time the PS3 may be cheaper.

[Wombat]

Cheapy, big ups on angry Cheapy. It was quite nice to hear you belittling Wombat.

Wombat, do you think before you speak, or do you just let the words come out and just later choose to back it up because you don't want to admit when you're wrong?


what did i do this time?

[retrovertigo]

Well I was wrong, you didn't discuss the ad situation and you missed my point... plus the number of people complaining was more than 2. You just acted like, in a way… it’s tough shit for the people. Spin it all you want, but you clearly did not read the real complaints... which was, the breaks in the middle of the show hurts the momentum. If the ads were at the start and end, that would be fine. Having ads, while not pleasant, isn't the issue. The issue is where they are at. Next ad campaign you have, don't fold to the advertisers to try to get more credibility. You are CheapyD, be yourself.

The rest of the show is such high quality, don’t hurt the product in any way. The product is why people listen. Just a little advice, but what do I know... I only have listened to all the shows.

First off, Trenchalicious, stop being such a baby.

Secondly, stop being the Jr. Producer, trying to tell Cheapy how to run his show. That's insulting. I'm sure that you have zero experience running anything besides your mouth on an internet message board.

It's actually the purists who complain the most. "I've listened to all of the episodes, so I carry more crediblity." Bullshit. That has nothing to do with it. You're like the old man who complains about how things were better back in his day. I'm sure he appreciates you being a loyal fan and all, but this is the evolution of radio, TV, and Internet. When you gain audience members, you also will attract sponsors. There is nothing wrong with ads being run, and for the record I've listened to practially all of the episodes myself and I have NO problem with the new ads. In fact, I'm happy for Cheapy that he's getting this kind of attention. Good for him!

Last time I heard, running Cheap Ass Gamer is his business. This is how he makes money. Bandwidth isn't exactly cheap, and the more people who listen, the more it costs. If ads help ensure that CAGCast can continue for months or years, then I can certainly sit through about a minute or two of commercials for a 90-120 minute show.

You're being selfish. The beauty of podcasts is that you can fast-forward or rewind. If the ads are that big of a deal, use the FF feature and skip over the commercials.

I don't contribute much on the forums here, but its people like you who piss me off. Go run your own damn podcast and see if you "keep it real" when a sponsor offers you some extra cash in turn for some commercials.

CheapyD, the show is better than ever. The dynamic between you and Wombat is great, and it's good to see that both of you are being recognized for your hard work -- you with the sponsorship for CAGCast (as well as the successful spinoff CAG Foreplay) and Wombat with the UGO blogger position. Keep up the good work!

Being a father myself, it's great to hear about your life with baby Tai. I know how frustrating it can be the first couple of months. But just wait until you get to the 4-6 month age. I have a 7 month old and he's recently started sitting up on his own, talking up a storm, and just being the most curious and playful baby boy. It'll pay off eventually! You just have to get through those first couple of months. It's amazing when you see them following you with their eyes, and reaching out for things.

[zizo79]

CheapyD welcome to fatherhood ....you will get used to it ....i have been with my son(16mo) all day for the past year since i work at night
we play xbox360 now !!

[ianoid]

You are right about the fact that he is going to get a lot of advice but as a father of 2 kids also, a boy and a girl, what people tell you and what their experiences are don't mean shit. Every kid is different and you need to find out what works for them and you. An example, your blanket statement that 10 pounds means they get enough nourishment to get through the night is ridiculous. My boy was 10 pounds when he was born, my daughter was 9 pounds 8 ounces. They needed more nourishment in the night because they were so big, they had to eat more at night to keep from losing weight.

Just like everything else, nothing is absolute, you have to find what works for you as long as it doesn't include smothering the kid.

Cheapy,
I am very interested in seeing if your opinion changes about paying for Live and multiplayer gaming when you aren't able to use them as much. I know for me a good single player game is way more important than any multiplayer functions a game may have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrosomia

and second, 99% of kids lose weight after birth, often as much as 20% of birth weight. That is normal.

I agree with your second point. And I completely relate to the live/multiplayer thing vs. campaign. I can't just do what I want when I want with a family in tow, and getting involved in online stuff just makes it more likely that I'll have to quit first or bail out because I'm being called or I have to go to bed (working stiff) or whatever. If a game is online only, it's basically useless to me. I suspect that this will be the case for Cheapy- especially with a working mum you need the flexibility to pause and save anytime, not to let down your teammates. And it makes it harder to meet up online unless it's after bedtime.

I would also like to point out that the online component of a game has a very very limited shelf life unless it's in the top 5th percentile of online releases (see Halo, Team Fortress, Gears of War). These games are almost as valueless as hard drive content downloads like XBLA games (which I love and have severaland will buy more).

The US video game market revolves around resale, and removing that factor from the market with d/l only software will definitely be more difficult than the companies would like. Switching from $60 with $30 resale value to $60 with no resale value is like raising prices from $60 to $90 IMHO. Will the American public be smart enough to figure that out? I hope so. Esp when d/l only software as MS has it is limited to one console. If it wasn't, I'd much more likely to have 360s on multiple TVs so I could play my live arcade stuff in more than one place in my house. But I can't. Bastards!

[Jackal888]

CheapyD here are some good high res Transformer Wallpaper (http://rapidshare.com/files/47486571/Wall-trans.rar).These are from the movie and not the cartoon.

[mriswyth]

Great show as usual. I listen to a lot of Podcasts, but this is the one that I look forward to the most. I started out with Cheap Ass Gamer only reading the front page. Your first podcast post drew me to the podcast. The podcast drew me into the forums. This is by far the best game community I have ever come across. You deserve lots of thanks for building this great little corner of the Internet. Anyway... a few comments about the show.


I understand your criticism of Child's Play, not cashing the check for a long time would be very annoying. However, I don't really get why Play-Asia would be upset. What exactly were they expecting from the Penny Arcade guys?

I don't even think the bitching about commercials was even worth responding to. I see that it continues in this thread and I don't understand why you would even continue listening if it bothers you that much. That said, I hope that I can offer some constructive criticism. I don't know if you were required to record those "transitions" to the comments, but they don't really work. I think just letting them drop in the commercial with no statement from either of you would sound better. The "let's go to commercial" things just don't work to the level of the rest of the show.

It was almost surreal listening to Wombat talk about the Wii again. I had flashbacks to listening to him talk about it on Black Friday last year and I realized that I don't know if I've heard him talk about it since then. I have to admit I haven't even turned mine on in the past 6 months, but it is nice to maybe hear the return of the Nintendo Fanboy! :D

Finally, CAGCast on TV? I think you would be better spending your time working on getting on the radio. Your show functions really, really well as two talking heads. That type of show never seems to translate to television with its soul intact. I would have to think the show would last longer and be much better continuing as an audio only expirience.

Thank you for everything you both do. I really, really enjoy it.

[mega_n00bzer]

I say you should keep some of the ad money. you definitly deserve it, and charities are fantastic and all, but ALL the money? donate a portion, being a father means less sleap AND money, you'll need it.

[FaintDeftone]

I don't see how anybody can complain about the ads. All of the 1up Network podcasts use ads as well, and nobody bitches about that. If it helps the podcast out, than it's great to me. This is a FREE podcast, there for nobody can bitch unless their own hard earned money is involved.

[Trenchalicious]

First off, Trenchalicious, stop being such a baby.



Last time I heard, running Cheap Ass Gamer is his business. This is how he makes money. Bandwidth isn't exactly cheap, and the more people who listen, the more it costs. If ads help ensure that CAGCast can continue for months or years, then I can certainly sit through about a minute or two of commercials for a 90-120 minute show.

You're being selfish. The beauty of podcasts is that you can fast-forward or rewind. If the ads are that big of a deal, use the FF feature and skip over the commercials.

I don't contribute much on the forums here, but its people like you who piss me off. Go run your own damn podcast and see if you "keep it real" when a sponsor offers you some extra cash in turn for some commercials.

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He's not using his money to pay for anything, he's giving it away. So your argument is like your underwear. Full of holes. Secondly, tell someone to just FF is a stupid thing to say. I am being selfish by sharing how I think the ads could be better used so everyone can benefit? Then color me selfish. I'm glad you don't contribute much, because you clearly don't pay attention and blindly support things.

[io]

Having a newborn is rough. You definitely are in the warzone for the first 1-2 months.

And everyone, me included, has advice to give you about your baby.

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I also suggest avoiding cosleeping. Don't get the kid used to being in bed with you as it's a hard habit to break.

Down with La Leche!

And just to prove your point (about all the advice), I disagree entirely with just about everything you had to say! Congrats, you are like the evil version of me ;).

I never understood the big issue with the first few months. Ours have all been fairly easy then. They get tough LATER - like when they are 2 years old and stuff. But then my wife breastfeeds (no bottles/formula to deal with, EVER) and we do the cosleep thing so NO LOSS OF SLEEP. That counts for a lot. But, hey, whatever...

Our 4th was due today. Nothing yet - she's being induced next week.

I'm always jealous of couples when they have that spontaeous water breaking and instant labor (with a quick rush to the hospital with the baby almost born along the way). That movie stereotype experience has never happened to us, even when we waited 2 weeks past the due date (which we aren't doing this time since the last one ended up near 11 lbs). We'd just like the labor to be less than 12 hours this time ;). Anyway, we'll see what happens Tuesday...

I haven't listened to the CAGcast yet but it sounds very interesting. Angry Cheapy?? :lol:

[godhatesfakes]

First of all let me say that I was absolutely infuriated by your statement that Zack and Wiki was the only must buy game for the Wii. I went into primal Nintendo defense mode, but immediately became even more upset when I could hardly think of any games that had come out that were worth buying. To be fair, you didn't mention Metroid Prime 3 which I think is a must buy, or Zelda, but the point still stands, there's not much worth owning a Wii for. As an ex Wii fanboy, I'd like to say thanks for the controversial statement.

That, and to be honest, I'm a tad bit uncomfortable with the ads, only because they're Navy related. I don't care that there are ads on the cagcast, I just care that it's slightly furthering the, in my opinion, extremely dangerous and misleading ad campaign by all the wings of the armed forces that war is just like a video game. I don't know how these ad deals are structured, but next time, maybe some video game based ads that don't quite carry the political implications?

**EDIT**

Oh and one more thing, I think you should put the money towards Child's Play. Quite frankly, I really don't care about whether or not the organizers behind the thing aren't the most competent in the world, that's a lame reason to me. I think Child's Play is a great cause. There, that's my vote.

Plus, I heard on the latest 1up yours show that they've streamlined it, and are now teaming up with Amazon or something? I don't know, but I think dealing with them will be easier this time around.

[tidytrev]

can you post a pic or a youtube vid of your new imac setup cheapy?

[Cao Cao]

The game that had the stereotypes was the Activision-published "Spanish for Everyone," not Ubisoft's "My Spanish Coach." Spanish for Everyone recently got a 2.0 from IGN (http://ds.ign.com/articles/834/834194p1.html).

[qbkorso]

What Fraternity were you in Cheapy? At what school?

I thought about gettting that 24" iMac, but I decided I am going to get a Macbook instead.

Wombat really need to beat potal.

[thinktank909]

As long as the podcast isnt smothered by ads, feel free to add a few more. You spend good money to put out a good podcast and website.

My charity suggestion is one mentioned http://funforourtroops.chipin.com/fun-for-our-troopsed in Kotaku. It ties in the military with video games.

[Melatonin]

"Have you finished Portal yet?"
"No"
"What are you, an asshole?"

my favorite moment

[retrovertigo]

He's not using his money to pay for anything, he's giving it away. So your argument is like your underwear. Full of holes. Secondly, tell someone to just FF is a stupid thing to say. I am being selfish by sharing how I think the ads could be better used so everyone can benefit? Then color me selfish. I'm glad you don't contribute much, because you clearly don't pay attention and blindly support things.

Speaking of not paying attention... CheapyD happens to make his living from running Cheap Ass Gamer (the web site). The money he's talking about giving away is the money from the Navy ads (on CAGCast, his podcast). Talk about calling the kettle black.

Oh and really good comeback with the hole in the underwear comment. Very original. That certainly put me in my place. My 8 year-old step son comes up with wittier comebacks than yours.

Before you go and tell somebody to contribute more, let's point out your very short existence on the forums. For being a so-called long-time listener, how come it took you until late October of THIS year to sign up?

[LiK]

don't be angry Cheapy, BA BA BOOEY!~

[ianoid]

Oh yeah, and the Navy ads are no problem for me. 30 sec spots are nothing, plus it's the Arbiter.

I wish I could d/l my Stern like a podcast, even if I had to pay for a show or two a week. I had Sirius for a few years, but then got into this podcasting and then cancelled my Sirius. I really like Stern, but I found that I wanted to listen to other stuff not on Sirius, and I only have so many hours in my car.

Cheapy: Do you listen to Stern while you play games or what?

[SunkiZt]

Longtime listener here, but just signed up to offer this suggestion as where to donate the ad money too. CJ Wilson is a young pitcher for the Texas Rangers that has random charities that benefit children in hospitals (hemophiliacs in particular) by raising money to donate systems for kids that are bedridden because of various treatments. Here is a link to some information on a recent Halo 3 event he had, but as far as contacting him if interested, I cannot really help.

http://cjwilson.mlblogs.com/my_weblog/2007/10/_cj_wilsons_hal.html

[Chatetris]

I like the cagcast that is all. No sir I don't like it. (lol):applause: