The Tragical History of Doctor Mana Knightus (Banned Users Thread)

[zewone]

Obviously not.
The only reason I'd want ThatManaKnight to come back was to prove you all wrong.

[Thomas96]

Cool.



its cool you misquote me to call me ignorant... its cute, I don't have a problem with that cause I don't take things personally, but mana didn't do half of the crap you did, and he gets banned. [you admitted that yourself earlier] I address you later in another forum.. I don't want to turn this thread into an argument... I'm just here to advocate for TMK.

[zewone]

I don't even know what you're talking about.

I didn't admit anything.

[cdeener]

Okay, I see there is a lot of things being thrown around in this thread. But I'm going to state my two cents.

I think the Mods are doing a great job for the site. Probably need a few more to make sure everything is watched over nicely in each of the forums.

TMK just should have did what I have been taught all of my life and that is you can't take to heart everything that is being said to you. He just should have given others the right to state their opinions just like they did him and leave things at that.

We can all make CAG a better place by just stating what we have to say and not dwell on it constantly like TMK did. I try to let everybody have their own say because that is what you are suppose to do if you are going to be tolerant of others in the world in general.

[SteveMcQ]

Clearly this community and site has taken a turn for the worse. The only person to blame would be Cheapy. I say we depose him and set up a new regime under Tai. If not now, it will happen soon. I imagine Tai to be a fratricidal baby not unlike the matricidal Stewie on Family Guy.

Don't say I didn't warn you when Japanese news reports of a large white man being defenestrated one day and the only suspect being an innocent little baby.

[The Crotch]

I don't want to turn this thread into an argument...I'm glad you said that, and I'm asking you and Zewone just to leave this alone/take it to PMs/take it to the OTT. I don't need someone creating an actual reason to lock this thing.I'm just here to advocate for TMK.Poorly.

Cdeener: I'm confused. Mana Knight never prevented anyone from speaking their mind. He did not have the power to do that (thank god), and neither do you.

[RAMSTORIA]

I think the Mods are doing a great job for the site. Probably need a few more to make sure everything is watched over nicely in each of the forums.


oh thats been evident for a long long time, and discussed too. 8 mods, 2 tech advisors, 4 new forum guides and cheapy to regulate 121,000 members. thats 1 mod for every 7000. granted there are only 36,000 active members, still thats 1 per every 2250 members and at this moment, 2 mods are on to cover 652 registered members.

[Thomas96]

I'm still waiting for someone (MOD) or anyone to find a post where TMK said something really disrespectful to one of the users here on CAG...

[Thomas96]

how do you get to be a mod? I'd like to be a mod in the PS3 forum, since I'm always there. Just because I like Sony and PS3, and being a possible fanboy, how would that make me a bad mod.

[cdeener]

Cdeener: I'm confused. Mana Knight never prevented anyone from speaking their mind. He did not have the power to do that (thank god), and neither do you.

What I mean is that others were trying to stop TMK from speaking his mind but he would go too far by making long ongoing posts so I understand why they banned him. For some of the older posters DenisDFat would do this same thing.

[Thomas96]

What I mean is that others were trying to stop TMK from speaking his mind but he would go too far by making long ongoing posts so I understand why they banned him. For some of the older posters DenisDFat would do this same thing.


so he made a long statement... is there something in the rule book saying that you can't make a long post...

[Lieutenant Dan]

I've been teetering between being glad TMK is gone and thinking he was treated unfairly. I'm glad he's gone because I don't feel like reading crap like his "fuck post" that was quoted a few pages ago. But mainly I'm kind of concerned he was banned so quickly because I feel the standards are not the same for everyone.

Overall I think the mods do a good job, but there is room for improvment. There have been a few times when I've seen some mods act in an unprofessional manner, which reflects poorly on the site.

That being said, I think it's good that CAG is going through these growing pains in a somewhat productive manner by having this discussion. I think the fact that the majority of us are trying to make the site better is a testament to how this site is better than others - at least other gaming forums.

I'd like to write more, considering I really love CAG and care where it goes in the future, but I don't have time right now.

[Thomas96]

I ain't afaid to say that I gave TMK the boot. I banned him because I just became fed up with his crap and his fanboyism. Let me be frank, his fanboyism is completely on a different level than most other people. The common comparison has been between Linkin and TMK lately, but that is completely unfair. Linkin doesn't run around bashing systems and trying to start flame wars and arguments based on what system that they liked.

Also I am probably the only mod who actually goes through and reads the PS3 board on a daily basis. After a while, TMK just grates on you with his posts and his constant quest to start flame wars. For the betterment of CAG I felt he had to go.



for the betterment of CAG... you need to go! I didn't realize that you so blatantly stated that you were the one who booted TMK.
The whole CAG site is for people to come and express their opinions, because you're so simple minded that it irks you that someone is expresssing an opinion about something you don't like, you take the one little miniscule piece of power you have in the world and use it to act like an idiot. Congratulations...



how about.. you go and unban him....

[neocisco]

This thread has doubled since mid-afternoon and almost all of it is good discussion. Let's keep it up.

I don't have time to write a single thesis, let alone 95 of them!
Ooooh, a Martin Luther reference. Very nice!

[zewone]

I'm still waiting for someone (MOD) or anyone to find a post where TMK said something really disrespectful to one of the users here on CAG...

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3571176&postcount=48
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3565687&postcount=45
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3498423&postcount=22
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3599890&postcount=107
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3598748&postcount=101

for the betterment of CAG... you need to go! I didn't realize that you so blatantly stated that you were the one who booted TMK.
The whole CAG site is for people to come and express their opinions, because you're so simple minded that it irks you that someone is expresssing an opinion about something you don't like, you take the one little miniscule piece of power you have in the world and use it to act like an idiot. Congratulations...



how about.. you go and unban him....
You sure do know how to finesse your way to getting what you want.

[Monsta Mack]

When CAG first came around it was a pretty friendly environment without too much Fanboyism. I even submitted several deals to this site that mad front page, my memorable being Otogi where Cheapy D himself said this deal owns.

Now with all these members It's getting harder to find deals, but when I find them I post them.

However, TMK has posted nothing deal related or anything that has benefited outside of his extreme fanboyism that was more of a annoyance then anything else.

I am pretty decent supporter of Nintendo and Microsoft, less Sony. However, TMK was insanely defense about Sony to the point where he would just reject all of your arguments if it any form was negative about Sony or along the lines of "Microsoft has better..." that didn't exist to TMK. He became so annoying with his pro-Sony arguments that you couldn't post anywhere in a Sony related thread without him spewing hundreds of posts as to why Sony is great, and our God, etc.

I'm not going to point out the examples of why TMK was a loyal Sony fan and would go to the end of the earth to defend them, because his posts speak for himself. Take a look at his post history, the option to view anyones post history is there for a reason, and you can even view my post past for my contributions.

Needless to say I am glad TMK is gone and CAG is a better place without him and I will not miss him one bit. If your here to view deals and do nothing else then be a lurker, but if your here to post at least post something worthwhile and intelligent and not be a spewing fanboy.

[The Crotch]

This thread has doubled since mid-afternoon and almost all of it is good discussion. Let's keep it up.Yeah, I'm very happy with the way things have gone. Some of the posts that have come in in the last hour-or-so have been less than impressive, but what's one page among many?


Ooooh, a Martin Luther reference. Very nice!He took my meager pass and got himself a slam dunk.

Mack: I can't say whether or not Mana did anything deal related, but I believe some people said he contributed to his regional deal forum.

[RAMSTORIA]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3571176&postcount=48
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3565687&postcount=45
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3498423&postcount=22
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3599890&postcount=107
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3598748&postcount=101


You sure do know how to finesse your way to getting what you want.

those are hardly permaban worthy considering some things others say, and in several of those he was obviously provoked.

[help1]

http://bodyslamming.com/wwe/pics/goldberg2

WHO'S NEXT?

[mykevermin]

:lol:

I think we can all agree that even a temp ban would not have discouraged TMK from doing his thing.

This.

Does anyone else find it funny that so many folks seems to be dragging this off topic and onto themselves or what they want to argue, where that's the very reason for TMK's banning?

[zewone]

those are hardly permaban worthy considering some things others say, and in several of those he was obviously provoked.
Oh, I know. I never said those were ban worthy.

He asked to point out posts where he has been disrespectful to users and I just grabbed a few.

As for being provoked, I've yet to see ThatManaKnight be involved in an argument he didn't start himself, one way or another.

[Trakan]

I'm still waiting for someone (MOD) or anyone to find a post where TMK said something really disrespectful to one of the users here on CAG...
You want examples? I got examples. Here's a few posts from the last few weeks from him. They range from: lying about 360/Wii game prices, calling other people trolls(!), arguing with users because they are spreading 'Sony FUD', arguing with people for 'hurting Sony's reputation', admitting he gets very angry at people who 'fire' at any console/handheld he likes, calling people 'fucking idiots', explaining how he deals with Sony hate everywhere he goes, telling people their posts cause cancer, bashing MS/360, admitting he loves fighting with 'cocky Wii60 fanboys', hypocritically making a PS3 thread to brag about sales while complaining other users make threads about Wii/360 sales, and finding out if people are PS3 owners so he knows to 'be nice to them.'

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3610572#post3610572
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3565195&postcount=18
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3565823&postcount=23
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3566424&postcount=27
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3571777&postcount=59
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3571176&postcount=48
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3602305&postcount=89
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3599890&postcount=107
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3595789&postcount=9
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3591128&postcount=38
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3589280&postcount=12


Oh, and he mentions that he was banned twice at GAF; it couldn't be for trolling, could it?. (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3595886&postcount=410)

Also, if anybody missed it, check out the AIM conversation a few pages back. TMK admits he's been causing shit for the past year here.

[Don Chubo]

...but I believe some people said he contributed to his regional deal forum.

That was me.

....TMK has posted nothing deal related or anything that has benefited outside of his extreme fanboyism...

Wrong. He was helpful at times in the Indiana Deals thread, and he was agreeable as far as I saw.


He may have been out of line at times, but as I've said before, there were people that baited the hell out of him and got sheer joy out of tormenting him.

[neocisco]

Yeah, I'm very happy with the way things have gone. Some of the posts that have come in in the last hour-or-so have been less than impressive, but what's one page among many?


He took my meager pass and got himself a slam dunk.
'Twas a beautiful assist. You are the Stockton to his Malone.

It's been posted a few times already but this discussion has revived the subject of the need for more mods/forum guides. Once we get some definitive responses from Cheapy on this subject I hope he'll revive the assignment process. I've been impressed with the forum guides so far and some more should help.

Also, the option of using the ignore list has not been mentioned nearly enough. I don't know Cheapy's position on this but I would think that would be the first option (for the most part) mods suggest when one user first has a complaint about another. If the mods don't have a fixed set of steps to take in regards to situations like this I think Cheapy and the mods should hammer one out.

[omgu8myrice]

the mods need to start acting more like role models instead of arguing with other people and cursing every sentence

[help1]

the mods need to start acting more like role models instead of arguing with other people and cursing every sentence

You need to start using the punctuation keys on your keyboard and using the "Shift" key to capitalize letters.

[Zen Davis]

You want examples? I got examples. Here's a few posts from the last few weeks from him. They range from: lying about 360/Wii game prices, calling other people trolls(!), arguing with users because they are spreading 'Sony FUD', arguing with people for 'hurting Sony's reputation', admitting he gets very angry at people who 'fire' at any console/handheld he likes, calling people 'fucking idiots', explaining how he deals with Sony hate everywhere he goes, telling people their posts cause cancer, bashing MS/360, admitting he loves fighting with 'cocky Wii60 fanboys', hypocritically making a PS3 thread to brag about sales while complaining other users make threads about Wii/360 sales, and finding out if people are PS3 owners so he knows to 'be nice to them.'

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3610572#post3610572
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3565195&postcount=18
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3565823&postcount=23
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3566424&postcount=27
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3571777&postcount=59
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3571176&postcount=48
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3602305&postcount=89
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3599890&postcount=107
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3595789&postcount=9
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3591128&postcount=38
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3589280&postcount=12


Oh, and he mentions that he was banned twice at GAF; it couldn't be for trolling, could it?. (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3595886&postcount=410)

Also, if anybody missed it, check out the AIM conversation a few pages back. TMK admits he's been causing shit for the past year here.

The point is that people have been doing far worse than that and still haven't been banned. This isn't GAF and the fact is that a large number of major board posters, all douchebag arguments aside, are calling for you to reconsider the ban and reconsider how you went about banning him in the first place and if you won't take those things into mind, they're calling for Cheapy to do it in your place.

I mean how would you react if I called you "batshit insane" like Never4Ever called Mana Knight? If you weren't a moderator, I'm sure you drop the F-bomb a few times as a retort.

It's not about who banned The Mana Knight anymore.

It's about who will unban him.

[Monsta Mack]

Wrong. He was helpful at times in the Indiana Deals thread, and he was agreeable as far as I saw.
.

Sorry I didn't research regional/local deals so that's good to know. Still, a few local deals isn't going to save him here compared to his *overall* contribution which needs to be challenged.

I am getting a good kick out of how many people say he should have been temp banned when they fail to realize this guy was banned on other sites as well as being unrelenting, it would be only a matter of time before he was perma banned, then what? But since Mike Tyson is able to hold pigeons in his hand without crushing them these days, you people probably believe otherwise :)

The mods have done pretty good with this site from what I've seen, and if you people believe otherwise now is the time to voice your concerns with concrete backup, and tell us how *you* could make this a better place. The Mods are going in the right direction with the start of this banning and I hope more is to come to those that wish to cause nothing but trouble.

[Don Chubo]

Him being banned at GAF has nothing to do with happened here.

[Zen Davis]

Sorry I didn't research regional/local deals so that's good to know. Still, a few local deals isn't going to save him here compared to his *overall* contribution which needs to be challenged.

I am getting a good kick out of how many people say he should have been temp banned when they fail to realize this guy was banned on other sites as well as being unrelenting, it would be only a matter of time before he was perma banned, then what? But since Mike Tyson is able to hold pigeons in his hand without crushing them these days, you people probably believe otherwise :)

The mods have done pretty good with this site from what I've seen, and if you people believe otherwise now is the time to voice your concerns with concrete backup, and tell us how *you* could make this a better place. The Mods are going in the right direction with the start of this banning and I hope more is to come to those that wish to cause nothing but trouble.

Just because he didn't contribute to the Deals forum doesn't mean he didn't contribute elsewhere. I personally do not contribute to the Deals forum, but I like to think that I have added a lot to the Nintendo forums. Does that make me a worthless poster? I'd like to hope not.

[benjamouth]

The point is that people have been doing far worse than that and still haven't been banned. This isn't GAF and the fact is that a large number of major board posters, all douchebag arguments aside, are calling for you to reconsider the ban and reconsider how you went about banning him in the first place and if you won't take those things into mind, they're calling for Cheapy to do it in your place.

I mean how would you react if I called you "batshit insane" like Never4Ever called Mana Knight? If you weren't a moderator, I'm sure you drop the F-bomb a few times as a retort.

It's not about who banned The Mana Knight anymore.

It's about who will unban him.

Care to provide some evidence to back up the claim "people have been doing far worse than that and still haven't been banned". If they have then they should be banned, but I don't see anyone doing it as much as TMK. I could be wrong though.

I had TMK on my ignore list and that works to some extent, except for the amount of people who quote his juvenile ranting.

There is a few people who are very vocal about him being un-banned, but it's not all one-sided, I for one am glad to be rid of him.

[Monsta Mack]

Him being banned at GAF has nothing to do with happened here.

But it proves his inability to follow simple rules without putting himself in such a situation.

Zen Davis: No, I feel that if your willing to give your community/forum weathful knowledge and useful feedback then your doing good. It's only if you decide to be disrepectful for others opinions/bash that it becomes wrong. TMK was a professional at not allowing others to speak their mind/have objective views about Sony. BTW I read your Manhunt posts/thread before it was released on the Wii and your impressions proved worthwhile to my actual decision on to purchase the game which I didn't. Therefore you did contribute.

[Don Chubo]

How simple were the rules there? What were the exact circumstances that got him banned there?

In the end, I don't think it should matter anyway. Handle someone based on the merits of what they do here.

[Zen Davis]

Care to provide some evidence to back up the claim "people have been doing far worse than that and still haven't been banned".
I'm not going to make this about who should be banned and who shouldn't be banned because that's not the intent of this thread and I'm not going to take it in that direction.

[Monsta Mack]

How simple were the rules there? What were the exact circumstances that got him banned there?

In the end, I don't think it should matter anyway. Handle someone based on the merits of what they do here.

Again, does it matter? Multiple bannings should be a warning sign as it is now. His banning is legit and was decided by a Mod, who is higher authority then us and chosen by Cheapy himself. Again, he was banned multiple times before. In my years of suffering the interwebz I have never been banned, you know why? Because I follow the rules.

There is no real say against it for sure, although you should voice your opinion as to why he shouldn't be banned which your saying is local deals, but we have to weight that against his other issues as well.

[alexandertyler]

.

I can think of at least one mod in specific who banned someone and cursed him out with profanities in the process. Of course I believe the thread with the evidence in question has been deleted to save that mods position. I'm glad to see that Cheapy has posted the above but it still doesn't change the fact that when the party involved contacted Cheapy to complain about the unfair ban and profanity ridden rebuttals from the mod . . . NOTHING happened!

Oh well, 'tis quite amusing to see what is coming out from the community now that they have a place to vent their frustrations without the thread being locked!

Later,

Alex

[Zen Davis]

I can think of at least one mod in specific who banned someone and cursed him out with profanities in the process. Of course I believe the thread with the evidence in question has been deleted to save that mods position. I'm glad to see that Cheapy has posted the above but it still doesn't change the fact that when the party involved contacted Cheapy to complain about the unfair ban and profanity ridden rebuttals from the mod . . . NOTHING happened!

Oh well, 'tis quite amusing to see what is coming out from the community now that they have a place to vent their frustrations without the thread being locked!

Later,

Alex
If this is the case, Cheapy should cleanly come out and explain what happened there. Sometimes people are just too busy to take notice, as I've personally experienced from Cheapy, but I'd like to hear what went on there. I'm not saying that Cheapy should answer to us. Just that it wouldn't hurt to have some discussion about the direction of CAG. He is but of course the captain. :)

But it proves his inability to follow simple rules without putting himself in such a situation.

Zen Davis: No, I feel that if your willing to give your community/forum weathful knowledge and useful feedback then your doing good. It's only if you decide to be disrepectful for others opinions/bash that it becomes wrong. TMK was a professional at not allowing others to speak their mind/have objective views about Sony. BTW I read your Manhunt posts/thread before it was released on the Wii and your impressions proved worthwhile to my actual decision on to purchase the game which I didn't. Therefore you did contribute.
No worries. I'm just keeping it respectful.

The thing is that I hope that the mods show a little flexibility in dealing with the community instead of trying to be all "WE ARE THE LAW!" Enough people have asked politely that TMK should be given one last chance that I think the mods and Cheapy should allow it.

If he blows it though, that's on him. I won't go to bat for him again and we'll have learned our lesson. I just think that ostracizing people without even a temp ban is not the way to go and sets a poor standard for the site.

[zewone]

Why should he be given another chance?

So the next time he gets banned, we'll get "The Tragical History of Doctor Mana Knightus 2: Electric Boogaloo" ?

[pimpinc333]

Why should he be given another chance?

So the next time he gets banned, we'll get "The Tragical History of Doctor Mana Knightus 2: Electric Boogaloo" ?

:applause: Exactly. :applause:

[Zen Davis]

Why should he be given another chance?

So the next time he gets banned, we'll get "The Tragical History of Doctor Mana Knightus 2: Electric Boogaloo" ?

I know you wanted to use that line so badly that you couldn't help but post but I already answered your question.

If he blows it though, that's on him. I won't go to bat for him again and we'll have learned our lesson. I just think that ostracizing people without even a temp ban is not the way to go and sets a poor standard for the site.

[pimpinc333]

I know you wanted to use that line so badly that you couldn't help but post but I already answered your question.

Why does he deserve a Temp Ban? The mods said they warned him many many many times. Warnings didn't work so why would a Temp Ban work?

[Zen Davis]

Why does he deserve a Temp Ban? The mods said they warned him many many many times. Warnings didn't work so why would a Temp Ban work?
Because common courtesy to the community wouldn't kill them. Not all of the community of course. But the majority of whom posted here did seem to ask that TMK be unbanned. He wasn't a spammer and temp bans are in place for a reason. They should be used as such.

Hardballing everything isn't cool and it doesn't make you anymore of a man.

[rodeojones903]

trolling and insults have gotten way out of hand and we want to do our best to get it straightened out. Also as DaPhatty mentioned, just as you guys can report posts for spam and incorrect forum posting, you can report users, please do so. We are human just like the rest of you and while we try to read as many threads as we can to clean them up, we do miss a lot, this is where you guys come in. If you see someone breaking the TOS, report them please.


Like calling Blu ray supporters Smurfs to get under their skin?

[DJSteel]

no...Zen you are wrong on this...if he is banned he should stay banned..i they change that then what does that prove.. that a person who has a huge group of people who like the person can sway how long bans last...

[Don Chubo]

It's not whether any of us like him.

[Zen Davis]

no...Zen you are wrong on this...if he is banned he should stay banned..i they change that then what does that prove.. that a person who has a huge group of people who like the person can sway how long bans last...

I don't like him. I barely know him. I honestly don't think the majority of people like Mana Knight. It has more to do with the principles of the permanent ban.

[Rei no Otaku]

no...Zen you are wrong on this...if he is banned he should stay banned..i they change that then what does that prove.. that a person who has a huge group of people who like the person can sway how long bans last...
It has nothing to do with liking him, but doing what's right

[zewone]

I know you wanted to use that line so badly that you couldn't help but post but I already answered your question.
You're but one person.

What's to stop someone else from making another "Save ThatManaKnight" thread?

[docvinh]

I'm still waiting for someone (MOD) or anyone to find a post where TMK said something really disrespectful to one of the users here on CAG...
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160140
See my quote of TMK before he changed it. He called this guy a microsoft viral marketer for no apparent reason. This was in the general gaming area, the guy did not attack Sony in any way. I'm sure it would be easy to dig up more stuff if someone really wants to. Besides that, I believe that any mod has the power to unban him, so I would say that it's unanimous that they believe he should be banned.

[daroga]

Can a mod explain to me, given the swell of support for the action from many of the high-profile members in this thread, what would be so bad about letting him back in under probabtion and if he still doesn't change, getting him the permanent boot? Like Zen, I would not go to bat for him at all under these circumstances.

But for now, I'm on the side of our CAG staff treating people fairly and properly, which I'm not convinced happened in this case.

[whoknows]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160140
See my quote of TMK before he changed it. He called this guy a microsoft viral marketer for no apparent reason. This was in the general gaming area, the guy did not attack Sony in any way. I'm sure it would be easy to dig up more stuff if someone really wants to. Besides that, I believe that any mod has the power to unban him, so I would say that it's unanimous that they believe he should be banned.
He said it in reference to the guys sig, and if the guy was offended by that he should be banned. I don't see how calling someone a "MS viral marketer" is offensive.

[docvinh]

He said it in reference to the guys sig, and if the guy was offended by that he should be banned. I don't see how calling someone a "MS viral marketer" is offensive.
I don't think the guy was offended, but he asked a question and didn't deserve to get attacked for no reason. I think the fact that TMK changed what he said would suggest that even he knew it was wrong.

[Richlough]

Do you know what this is ?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/Richlough/smallest_violin.jpg

[whoknows]

I don't think the guy was offended, but he asked a question and didn't deserve to get attacked for no reason. I think the fact that TMK changed what he said would suggest that even he knew it was wrong.
Yeah, but then you went and did the same thing to TMK by calling him a Sony CEO or whatever which is a little hypocritical for you to complain about TMK when you did the same thing to him.

You may have been defending the OP of that thread, but still...

[docvinh]

Yeah, but then you went and did the same thing to TMK by calling him a Sony CEO or whatever which is a little hypocritical for you to complain about TMK when you did the same thing to him.

You may have been defending the OP of that thread, but still...
I think that's when he changed it, and I was clearly pointing out that if he was going to throw stones in his glass house, he should probably think about it a bit more.

[whoknows]

I think that's when he changed it, and I was clearly pointing out that if he was going to throw stones in his glass house, he should probably think about it a bit more.
Still, that's not even close to a possible reason to be banned. We're talking about offensive things TMK has said, and I can't see how calling someone a MS viral marketer is offensive.

[Thomas96]

I'm not going to make this about who should be banned and who shouldn't be banned because that's not the intent of this thread and I'm not going to take it in that direction.


How about you go and make a new thread... This thread is about... the unfair banning of TMK, and now.. what mod is going to step in do the right thing by unbanning him.

[docvinh]

Still, that's not even close to a possible reason to be banned. We're talking about offensive things TMK has said, and I can't see how calling someone a MS viral marketer is offensive.
The main point is that he was attacking someone for asking a question for no real reason at all.

[evilmax17]

If the only thing that comes of this thread is TMK being unbanned, then it would be a total loss. It's not just about him.

Currently, there are no set rules for when bans (permanent or otherwise) should be enforced. We have the TOS, but even that is selectively enforced.

Many have said it before, but I just want to make it clear. This isn't just about TMK. It's about defining a clear set of rules for when bans are necessary, making sure that punishments are being justly enforced, and that every member is treated equally. No matter who you are, how many posts you have, how many deals you've submitted, or who you happen to be friends with. The rules should equally apply to everybody.

One major suggestion in working toward this goal is the Banned User thread, which has been outlined in the OP and refined throughout this entire thread. This would add accountability to moderator actions, just in case somebody flies off the handle. Nobody is infallible, and that includes CAG staff. As somebody said previously in this thread, it creates a system of checks & balances. It's the job of the moderators to keep the community in line, but it's also the job of the community to keep the moderators in line. Everybody wins.

This isn't a TMK issue. This is a CAG issue.

[The Crotch]

What's to stop someone else from making another "Save ThatManaKnight" thread?I dunno. The complete lack of support any person would get for such an idiotic endeavour?

Also, another "Save Mana Knight" thread? Dear sir, we don't even have a "Save Mana Knight" thread, as much as you want this to be one.

He said it in reference to the guys sig, and if the guy was offended by that he should be banned.No, he shouldn't. That's a little hypocritical of you.

[Zen Davis]

How about you go and make a new thread... This thread is about... the unfair banning of TMK, and now.. what mod is going to step in do the right thing by unbanning him.
Don't be a douchebag. You post is entirely self-serving and can easily be used as ammo for not doing anything at all.

[tiredfornow]

You know, attacking other users goes against the TOS. For somebody who is in favor of the banning, I find it ironic that you're so quick to break the TOS.

I'll be sure to address my next reponse to false accusations w/ ''Dear Sir, I believe you are in the wrong!''

:roll:

[The Crotch]

How about you go and make a new thread... This thread is about... the unfair banning of TMK...No, it's fucking not, god dammit. I'm fine with that being discussed, as it tangentially related to my main goal here, but it is not the biggest issue we're dealing with here.

Also, what Evilmax said.

[whoknows]

No, he shouldn't. That's a little hypocritical of you.
Well TMK got offended for stupid reasons, so if that guy got offended for that (a very stupid reason) then he should be banned too.

Of course he wasn't, so it's not a big deal. The guy defending him is the one who appeared to be the offended one.

[Zen Davis]

I'll be sure to address my next reponse to false accusations w/ ''Dear Sir, I believe you are in the wrong!''

:roll:
False what? I do believe that is indeed a racial slur in your post. I'm sure the moderators can find many more like it in your posts.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3630998&postcount=82

Oh look. You do it again here.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3631333&postcount=129

How about this beauty?

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3631346&postcount=134

[docvinh]

Well TMK got offended for stupid reasons, so if that guy got offended for that (a very stupid reason) then he should be banned too.

Of course he wasn't, so it's not a big deal. The guy defending him is the one who appeared to be the offended one.
People wanted an example of him doing something, I merely provided one example.

[zewone]

If the only thing that comes of this thread is TMK being unbanned, then it would be a total loss. It's not just about him.

Currently, there are no set rules for when bans (permanent or otherwise) should be enforced. We have the TOS, but even that is selectively enforced.

Many have said it before, but I just want to make it clear. This isn't just about TMK. It's about defining a clear set of rules for when bans are necessary, making sure that punishments are being justly enforced, and that every member is treated equally. No matter who you are, how many posts you have, how many deals you've submitted, or who you happen to be friends with. The rules should equally apply to everybody.

One major suggestion in working toward this goal is the Banned User thread, which has been outlined in the OP and refined throughout this entire thread. This would add accountability to moderator actions, just in case somebody flies off the handle. Nobody is infallible, and that includes CAG staff. As somebody said previously in this thread, it creates a system of checks & balances. It's the job of the moderators to keep the community in line, but it's also the job of the community to keep the moderators in line. Everybody wins.

This isn't a TMK issue. This is a CAG issue.

You make it seem as though people are getting unrightfully banned everyday.

[benjamouth]

I agree with what the OP said that this thread should turn into an argument about whether TMK should be un-banned or not so I'll make this my last word on the subject.

If he does get reinstated, continues on as he did before which many here believe wasn't worthy of a ban, then gets banned again, where will that leave us ?

Arguing about whether he should have been banned in the first place ?

[whoknows]

You make it seem as though people are getting unrightfully banned everyday.
They are, I mean there was that guy selling cell phones in the Video Games Deals forums, and the person who's husband was wearing her bikini.

I can't believe what CAG has come to.

[zewone]

I agree with what the OP said that this thread should turn into an argument about whether TMK should be un-banned or not so I'll make this my last word on the subject.

If he does get reinstated, continues on as he did before which many here believe wasn't worthy of a ban, then gets banned again, where will that leave us ?

Arguing about whether he should have been banned in the first place ?
That's exactly what I've been trying to say.

[Zen Davis]

I agree with what the OP said that this thread should turn into an argument about whether TMK should be un-banned or not so I'll make this my last word on the subject.

If he does get reinstated, continues on as he did before which many here believe wasn't worthy of a ban, then gets banned again, where will that leave us ?

Arguing about whether he should have been banned in the first place ?

It'll leave us knowing that at least we did the right thing.

[tiredfornow]

False what? I do believe that is indeed a racial slur in your post. I'm sure the moderators can find many more like it in your posts.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3630998&postcount=82
[/URL]
True, I confess, I'm guilty of hate crimes against 16-bit sprites.

Who's talkin' to you genius? He was talkin' about me responding to Thomas.. w/ him you know, not even reading the thread and jumping on Trakan for supposedly banning TMK. Run along, no room for :baby:s here. [url]http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=65 (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3631346&postcount=134)

[Thomas96]

From my understanding, a mod is supposed to make sure that people don't say really nasty, biligerent things such as racial slurs, threats, etc. Participating in an argument shouldn't get you banned, being involved in an argument defending a product you like shouldn't get you banned. Talk about games, and deals, that's what CAG is about.

Trakan I read those posts by TMK... is that all you got.. because that definitely not ban material.

How about you be the bigger man, unban ManaKnight and give him an apology...

actually I meant to say... just be a man and admit that perhaps you acted a little prematurely, or in haste. No one's perfect, but you made a bad decision and I think you need make it right.

[whoknows]

Trakan didn't ban him

[tiredfornow]

:rofl:

[daroga]

I agree with what the OP said that this thread should turn into an argument about whether TMK should be un-banned or not so I'll make this my last word on the subject.

If he does get reinstated, continues on as he did before which many here believe wasn't worthy of a ban, then gets banned again, where will that leave us ?

Arguing about whether he should have been banned in the first place ?I don't think anyone is questioning whether or not he broke the ToS by his behavior. The issue here is that A) there seems to be no consistency--why him and not others who've done the same crap (some in this thread even!) and B) why was this done without warning of it's occurance leading up to it? A simple PM or post from a mod warning of imbending banning, a continuation of poor ToS-breaking behavior, and bam, out he goes, no questions asked.

I've not seen that this is how this was handled. My issues, as evilmax said, is not just for ManaKnight, but what this means for CAG as a whole. If I say something that a mod doesn't like am I gonna get the boot without warning?

[zewone]

Are you really that dense?

You already know Trakan didn't ban him.

[docvinh]

From my understanding, a mod is supposed to make sure that people don't say really nasty, biligerent things such as racial slurs, threats, etc. Participating in an argument shouldn't get you banned, being involved in an argument defending a product you like shouldn't get you banned. Talk about games, and deals, that's what CAG is about.

Trakan I read those posts by TMK... is that all you got.. because that definitely not ban material.

How about you be the bigger man, unban ManaKnight and give him an apology...

actually I meant to say... just be a man and admit that perhaps you acted a little prematurely, or in haste. No one's perfect, but you made a bad decision and I think you need make it right.
Do you regularly walk around attacking people so they change their mind?

[CaseyRyback]

From my understanding, a mod is supposed to make sure that people don't say really nasty, biligerent things such as racial slurs, threats, etc. Participating in an argument shouldn't get you banned, being involved in an argument defending a product you like shouldn't get you banned. Talk about games, and deals, that's what CAG is about.

Trakan I read those posts by TMK... is that all you got.. because that definitely not ban material.

How about you be the bigger man, unban ManaKnight and give him an apology...

actually I meant to say... just be a man and admit that perhaps you acted a little prematurely, or in haste. No one's perfect, but you made a bad decision and I think you need make it right.

Kid take the night off because you keep sticking it to the wrong person. Trak didn't ban him, I did and I ain't unbanning him.

Because you can't get it through your head, I will stick it in my sig and my user title. I am tired of all you not knowing how to read and giving Linkin and Trak shit they don't deserve.

[Thomas96]

No, it's fucking not, god dammit. I'm fine with that being discussed, as it tangentially related to my main goal here, but it is not the biggest issue we're dealing with here.

Also, what Evilmax said.


you should be banned for your beligerance... j/k but I'm not offended by what you said. Well okay, I need to use your thread to get TMK unbanned. Then we'll deal with your issue... what's your issue?

[Ugamer_X]

Can a mod explain to me, given the swell of support for the action from many of the high-profile members in this thread, what would be so bad about letting him back in under probabtion and if he still doesn't change, getting him the permanent boot? Like Zen, I would not go to bat for him at all under these circumstances.

But for now, I'm on the side of our CAG staff treating people fairly and properly, which I'm not convinced happened in this case.
I'm still not sure why he has to change. So long as he doesn't continually and extraordinarily harass other members, he should be free to be nutjob fanboy that he is. If that somehow becomes a major problem, then ban him. That's really what has confused me in the first place. When was TMK such a major problem that he had to be banned. Annoying? Absofruitly. But I don't remember people calling for his head on a stick. We all just hated him because he was delusional.

Anyway, this thread grown fast and I don't think I can respond to every ridiculous post I've read in the past few pages. I think it's pretty well established that I'm right.

I'd go so far as to say I was right the whole time, but I don't think Zew would approve.

[tiredfornow]

The Crotch is having twins.

[daroga]

So, members of CAG who have concerns about things like this at just SOL? Nice.

[Thomas96]

Do you regularly walk around attacking people so they change their mind?


yeah but usually for more serious things... only way I know how to attack an issue.

[-Never4ever-]

This is ridiculous, I understand the Sony Defense Force is saddened by the loss of their leader, but it's over. He was either a) a crazed Sony Fanboy that did everything in his power to annoying and started flame wars because he couldn't learn to let shit go or b) a fake, stephen cobert-like personality that was annoying and started flame wars for his own amusement.

He's been gone for a week and CAG is much improved for it. If the SDF is that desperate to continue this inane console war, then just elect whoknows as your new TMK and be done with it. Granted, the mods will just wipe you out one by one until the damn SDF is no more, but you're welcomed to try.

They are, I mean there was that guy selling cell phones in the Video Games Deals forums, and the person who's husband was wearing her bikini.

I can't believe what CAG has come to.

Then fucking leave.

That's it the mods really need to lay down the law. TMK is banned, doesn't really matter what you think. Can't stand that? Then leave, but don't let the door hit you in the vag on the way out.

[tiredfornow]

:rofl:

[docvinh]

yeah but usually for more serious things... only way I know how to attack an issue.
Dude, you were accusing the wrong guy of banning TMK......is this like a diversion so TMK can sneak in the back door or something?:)

[Rei no Otaku]

This is ridiculous, I understand the Sony Defense Force is saddened by the loss of their leader, but it's over. He was either a) a crazed Sony Fanboy that did everything in his power to annoying and started flame wars because he couldn't learn to let shit go or b) a fake, stephen cobert-like personality that was annoying and started flame wars for his own amusement.

He's been gone for a week and CAG is much improved for it. If the SDF is that desperate to continue this inane console war, then just elect whoknows as your new TMK and be done with it. Granted, the mods will just wipe you out one by one until the damn SDF is no more, but you're welcomed to try.
I hardly think daroga, Zen Davis, and I are members of the Sony Defense Force.

[Ugamer_X]

This is ridiculous, I understand the Sony Defense Force is saddened by the loss of their leader, but it's over. He was either a) a crazed Sony Fanboy that did everything in his power to annoying and started flame wars because he couldn't learn to let shit go or b) a fake, stephen cobert-like personality that was annoying and started flame wars for his own amusement.

He's been gone for a week and CAG is much improved for it. If the SDF is that desperate to continue this inane console war, then just elect whoknows as your new TMK and be done with it. Granted, the mods will just wipe you out one by one until the damn SDF is no more, but you're welcomed to try.
That's pretty much a TMK post right there.

Ban him.

[evilmax17]

So, members of CAG who have concerns about things like this at just SOL? Nice. If you have a problem with one of the mods or how he/she handles themselves, take it up with Cheapy via PM..

[daroga]

That's not the issue, never4ever, not at all. It's the way this was done and the complete lack of reasonable explanation for such quick and final judgment.

But now those being questioned have backed themselves into a corner and couldn't possible change their mind less they look weak. If things had just been handled properly in the first place, and/or the mods were transparent about why things like this occur (as is the goal of this thread after all), I think you'd see a lot of different takes on the matter.

This isn't a SDF loss. This is a CAG loss in the manner of a unfortunate precedent being set.

[whoknows]

This is ridiculous, I understand the Sony Defense Force is saddened by the loss of their leader, but it's over. He was either a) a crazed Sony Fanboy that did everything in his power to annoying and started flame wars because he couldn't learn to let shit go or b) a fake, stephen cobert-like personality that was annoying and started flame wars for his own amusement.

He's been gone for a week and CAG is much improved for it. If the SDF is that desperate to continue this inane console war, then just elect whoknows as your new TMK and be done with it. Granted, the mods will just wipe you out one by one until the damn SDF is no more, but you're welcomed to try.
I don't know why you always attack me, but k.

[kjauburn]

I throw 2 more cents in. At this point who cares about mana, its done. As for the accountability for the mods actions, thats pretty much cheapy's job and the mods police each other. There have been several occasions where a second mod intervenes and cooler heads prevail. I think it has been said before if you have a problem with a mod take it up with them. Still have a problem take it up with Cheapy...

Why don't we focus more on suggestions on how to handle things moving forward. I am sure the TOS was a starting point, but the site has probably outgrown the original intent. It could be worthwhile to have more defined guidelines for the users to understand and the mods to act on.

[daroga]

.If such things had produced any satisfactory answers when I tried them this week, I wouldn't be here right now.

[Thomas96]

Kid take the night off because you keep sticking it to the wrong person. Trak didn't ban him, I did and I ain't unbanning him.

Because you can't get it through your head, I will stick it in my sig and my user title. I am tired of all you not knowing how to read and giving Linkin and Trak shit they don't deserve.


how about you stick it up your ass...

[Zen Davis]

Kid take the night off because you keep sticking it to the wrong person. Trak didn't ban him, I did and I ain't unbanning him.

Because you can't get it through your head, I will stick it in my sig and my user title. I am tired of all you not knowing how to read and giving Linkin and Trak shit they don't deserve.

You're acting like it's something to be proud of. It's not. The fact that you're flaunting it says a lot about you and none of it is good.

[evilmax17]

Keep it civil guys.

[InuFaye]

The Mana Knight is gone. He wont be coming back, and for good reasons.
The dude was a little stalker happy, and he knew who I was on facebook without ever meeting him in real life.

This thread has turned into an all out war, and has completely gone off topic.

[docvinh]

how about you stick it up your ass...
Quoted for future banning evidence.

[Ugamer_X]

how about you stick it up your ass...
On a more serious note, I think Thomas is truly asking for it. Would anyone object to him getting the shaft? I swear I won't say a peep if he finds himself on the wrong end of the banhammer.

[zewone]

So, members of CAG who have concerns about things like this at just SOL? Nice.
You can't please everyone.

Sometimes we just have to roll with the punches or call it quits.

[CaseyRyback]

how about you stick it up your ass...

I ain't going to ban you since I ain't playing your game. You want to make me ban you so that everyone rallies around all the Sony fanboys and keeps beating up on all the mods. That ain't going to happen, but this thread is now going to be locked. Don't start another one either.

[CheapyD]

After reading through this thread, I understand that CAGs have various concerns. I promise I will address them, hopefully to (at least a majority of) the CAGs satisfaction.

However, at this point, I agree not much more can be gained from continuing this "discussion", as its pretty much derailed into drama over substance. I agree it's time to close this one up.