The Tragical History of Doctor Mana Knightus (Banned Users Thread)

[The Crotch]

Let me preface this thread with a simple request: please do not send this thread to the gulag like its predecessor. And if you do, at least tell me why my threads/posts have been getting removed of late.

Anyway, inspired by Mana Knight's banning, I am once again asking for a "Banned User Thread". Other forums have used them. Whenever a Mod bans a user, they post in the thread saying who was banned, why they were banned, and how long the ban will last. They don't have to get into too many details on the "why" bit - a simple "Trolling the Vs forum" or "Reincarnation of previously banned user" will suffice. As it is, us peons are totally in the dark. Maybe someone will ask why and for how long X was banned in the OTT or something, maybe a Mod will see it, maybe this Mod will know, maybe this knowledgeable Mod will respond, and maybe a tiny fraction of CAG will see the response.

The last thread lasted anywhere between 2 and 24 hours. Let's see how long this one stays up.

[CheapyD]

There are over 2,000 banned users.
I'm not sure this is feesible.

[Rei no Otaku]

It's not feasible for a mod to simply post "The Mana Knight - Harassed people" (not true, I'm just making that up as an example) everytime they ban someone? It takes a total of 30 seconds.

Also, I might as well post it here, but if what I hear about his banning is true then it's bullshit. Permanantly banned without even a warning for being a "fanboy." Well then there's plenty of mods that need to be banned if we're banning for fanboyism now.

[InuFaye]

Banning for fanboyism is the new hip thing.
Good thing ima cheap whore.

Cheapy
You dont have to start from the beginning, just start a new running tally.
2000 banned users is not that much for being around for as long as CAG has.

It would be like what one post a day.

[whoknows]

If he was banned for fanboyism that was pretty unfair IMO. There are others that are worse, Mana didn't really attack the other systems, he mainly defended Sony while there are others who do a lot worse a lot more.

Maybe just telling him "stop with the 2 page posts" would have been good enough.

[Rocko]

I would also like to know why TMK got banned.

I like the idea presented, and going back into the history of banned users isn't necessary. Just start from the day the thread starts.

[darthbudge]

I would also like to know why TMK got banned.

I like the idea presented, and going back into the history of banned users isn't necessary. Just start from the day the thread starts.

I agree with this statement.

[CaseyRyback]

I ain't afaid to say that I gave TMK the boot. I banned him because I just became fed up with his crap and his fanboyism. Let me be frank, his fanboyism is completely on a different level than most other people. The common comparison has been between Linkin and TMK lately, but that is completely unfair. Linkin doesn't run around bashing systems and trying to start flame wars and arguments based on what system that they liked.

Also I am probably the only mod who actually goes through and reads the PS3 board on a daily basis. After a while, TMK just grates on you with his posts and his constant quest to start flame wars. For the betterment of CAG I felt he had to go.

[Rocko]

Permanently? You couldn't make it temporary? That's extremely unnecessary to give him a permanent ban out of nowhere. May as well start temp banning half of the boards for fanboyism now. Hell, we don't even need a Wii forum.

[evilmax17]

Let me preface this thread with a simple request: please do not send this thread to the gulag like its predecessor. And if you do, at least tell me why my threads/posts have been getting removed of late. I'm also curious as to why your previous thread was deleted. It only mentioned TMK as the reason for creating the thread, and was much like your original post in this thread. Only a suggestion for a new feature on CAG, and you reasons for suggesting it.

I'd hate to think making suggestions for CAG is being discouraged now. The original thread really shouldn' t have been deleted.

Thank you for having the courage to recreate it in the form of this thread.

Edit: Also, talking about issues like these as a community is a good thing, because we are all in fact, a community.

[darthbudge]

I ain't afaid to say that I gave TMK the boot. I banned him because I just became fed up with his crap and his fanboyism. Let me be frank, his fanboyism is completely on a different level than most other people. The common comparison has been between Linkin and TMK lately, but that is completely unfair. Linkin doesn't run around bashing systems and trying to start flame wars and arguments based on what system that they liked.

Also I am probably the only mod who actually goes through and reads the PS3 board on a daily basis. After a while, TMK just grates on you with his posts and his constant quest to start flame wars. For the betterment of CAG I felt he had to go.

I agree with this as well, although I didn't think TMK deserved a boot, I don't think Linkin deserved all of the "Demod him!" statements that he got. However I am glad that finally somebody stepped up and gave an honest answer.

[Rei no Otaku]

Was he ever given a warning from a mod? There was no way you could have suspended his account for a couple days?

Also I've rarely seen him attack anything or anyone. He may make statements like his 360 is too loud, but he's never said anything I would consider an attack. Certainly nothing so bad as to ban him outright with no warning whatsoever. Hell, for the past couple weeks he's been talking about how he really wants a Wii.

[SteveMcQ]

TMK amused me. I am sad.

[Trakan]

Permanently? You couldn't make it temporary? That's extremely unnecessary to give him a permanent ban out of nowhere. May as well start temp banning half of the boards for fanboyism now. Hell, we don't even need a Wii forum.

It wasn't out of nowhere. He had been warned by plenty of mods in the past. He can cry and say whatever he wants to TFN on AIM, but it wasn't out of nowhere. I don't get why this is such a big deal. He was a troll who derailed every thread he posted in. CAG is better without him.

[CheapyD]

You dont have to start from the beginning, just start a new running tally.
2000 banned users is not that much for being around for as long as CAG has.
Gotcha. I'll think about it.

[pimpinc333]

Seriously what would a warning have done? It would have probably put TMK in his place for a week or two then he would be back to his usual fanboy self.

[whoknows]

The fact is there are worse posters than TMK that should be banned way before he was.

TMK was more of a Sony defender as I said before, I didn't see many times where he started the argument, others usually said something to get him all riled up, I didn't see many cases where he just started ranting out of nowhere.

[Liquid 2]

It wasn't out of nowhere. He had been warned by plenty of mods in the past. He can cry and say whatever he wants to TFN on AIM, but it wasn't out of nowhere. I don't get why this is such a big deal. He was a troll who derailed every thread he posted in. CAG is better without him.
Truth.

[Rocko]

The fact is there are worse posters than TMK that should be banned way before he was.

TMK was more of a Sony defender as I said before, I didn't see many times where he started the argument, others usually said something to get him all riled up, I didn't see many cases where he just started ranting out of nowhere.

I agree. People pushed his buttons.

[btw1217]

Forums are like dictatorships. You just have to kind of accept it and stay off the radar.

[InuFaye]

While I agree the guy could get out of control with the fanboyism sometimes, and it could get down right irritating, he was all in all harmless, and was good for a laugh sometimes.

[RAMSTORIA]

awww, TMK was banned... thats too bad. sure he was a fanboy, but i dont think he was that bad, or any worse than the other fanboys on the forum.

[Blackout]

Sure he was a fanboy but I don't recall him outright bashing 360 or Wii etc. In fact didn't he own them or something? He was annoying at times but being banned for being a fanboy is kind of extreme.

[necrojustice]

He seemed like an alright guy to me....

[soonersfan60]

If the mods want to "make a difference," I would much rather see more aggressive banning for those who advocate or brag about de-frauding stores.

(I'd love to see the hoarders slapped down as well, but I know I am dreaming on this one.)

[johnnypark]

If the mods want to "make a difference," I would much rather see more aggressive banning for those who advocate or brag about de-frauding stores.

(I'd love to see the hoarders slapped down as well, but I know I am dreaming on this one.)
Here, here. Hoarding for profit is definitely against the spirit of CAG, and most of the people who brag about it are probably just here for those opportunities, thus preventing actual gamers from getting in on deals.

While I wasn't in the PS3 thread enough to know the degree to which TMK stirred the shitpot, I always thought he was at least courteous. I never saw him resort to name calling or any general immaturity, no matter how outlandish or absurd some of the things he had to say were. Of course, I didn't read a lot of his posts, so this very well could have been an issue.

And really, his OTT's were effin hilarious, even if it was because they were kind of pitiful. I'll kinda miss him. At the same time, I mostly trust the mods to use good discretion when taking action, because this is usually such a good community to begin with.

Oh, nnd Casey, thanks for giving an answer as to why he was banned.

[Jedi1979]

nice to see an explanation...i am always curious as to why certain users end up banned...

[Jimbo Slice]

I agree with the banning of TMK. I think honestly it might be better for him anyway.

Kid needs to get off the goddamn computer and leave the house.

[Scorch]

Fanboyism? Extreme fanboyism, sure, but come on. He was entertaining. Hardly anything banworthy.

[Don Chubo]

Not necessary to ban him.

[botticus]

As far as the workload required for a "banned user" thread, Cheapy, I'm sure everyone would agree it's only necessary for people who are actually a part of the community. Those banned within two posts of their joining aren't really a concern of most.

[Apossum]

Fanboyism? Extreme fanboyism, sure, but come on. He was entertaining. Hardly anything banworthy.


maybe if the threads you frequent aren't plagued by him it's entertaining. I'm sick of epic flame wars revolving around him on every other page of the general gaming thread.



also, a banned user report doesn't seem necessary. most bannings are for spammers. otherwise, mods usually tell us why a particular person has been banned.

[Rocko]

Apparantly it took a whole new thread to get this information out.

[Rei no Otaku]

Apparantly it took a whole new thread to get this information out.
And the first one was apparently deleted.

[The Crotch]

also, a banned user report doesn't seem necessary. most bannings are for spammers.See: Botticus' post.
otherwise, mods usually tell us why a particular person has been banned.This, of course, would explain why everyone here knew what was going on with Mana before Casey told us in this thread. And shit, this is the second iteration of this thread in as many days.

[WhipSmartBanky]

Like a car crash, people just want to rubberneck and see all the gory carnage.

[Purkeynator]

He will just come back under a different user name. Be on the lookout for a Sony fanboy that has been a member since November 2007.

[Friend of Sonic]

I don't agree with the banning. Alot of the threads, at least lately, TMK was provoked because we all knew TMK would come back with something entertaining. I think he was virtually harmless, but I don't know, maybe he did come into threads derailing without reason. Anyone have any links for examples?
I do, however, agree with a thread going forward with a list of bans. It's a good idea!

[mykevermin]

Like a car crash, people just want to rubberneck and see all the gory carnage.

A bad analogy, since that seems to describe the vibe of most threads that delved into a hyrbid of console war/TMK bashing.

The guy was a whack job or (I don't buy it) joke account, and he brought his fair share of attention his way. No doubt. After awhile, people became reactionary towards anything he said, though.

I don't think CAG is a worse place without him, but truth be told, I'd like to see mods locking/deleting posts before they get out of hand. This way, we could see folks like GizmoGC stop threadcrapping in the PS3 forumd, we wouldn't have had TMK be a virtual emotional trainwreck to entertain us all, and we'd see less of the crassness and topic deviation that CAG threads more often than not become.

I do, of course, realize my own participation in that...but that doesn't mean it's a bad suggestion.

[WhipSmartBanky]

A bad analogy, since that seems to describe the vibe of most threads that delved into a hyrbid of console war/TMK bashing.

The guy was a whack job or (I don't buy it) joke account, and he brought his fair share of attention his way. No doubt. After awhile, people became reactionary towards anything he said, though.

I don't think CAG is a worse place without him, but truth be told, I'd like to see mods locking/deleting posts before they get out of hand. This way, we could see folks like GizmoGC stop threadcrapping in the PS3 forumd, we wouldn't have had TMK be a virtual emotional trainwreck to entertain us all, and we'd see less of the crassness and topic deviation that CAG threads more often than not become.

I do, of course, realize my own participation in that...but that doesn't mean it's a bad suggestion.
Is it such a bad analogy? TMK's banning really isn't anybody's business and I don't see why an explanation should be owed to anyone as to why, IMHO.

[prmononoke]

The Mana Knight was banned? I never saw him post anything ban-worthy. Never. He was generally pretty defensive about Sony, but not to the degree that everyone (including himself) claimed. If there were comparisons between him and LinkinPrime, I have to say that I find the latter much more annoying, and I was quite shocked (and annoyed) when he became a mod.

But seriously, he needs to be unbanned. People here get banned for crap that isn't ban-worthy, and it's pretty fucking stupid.

Oh, and this thread is a good idea.

[mykevermin]

Is it such a bad analogy? TMK's banning really isn't anybody's business and I don't see why an explanation should be owed to anyone as to why, IMHO.

It's a bad analogy in the sense that the "car wreck" mentality applied to threads he started/posted in rather frequently, so it's not so much the banning that has drawn people's attention as it is who was banned.

Is it the business of other folks? Perhaps. I'm not here to argue that, though.

People don't care when John-Boy gets banned after flooding the deals forum with "free Xbox 360 Elite!" threads. As a "community," though, some may care (i.e., have interest) in why TMK was banned (whether why now as opposed to before, or why at all).

[basilofbkrst]

no....no TMK?? :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry: :cry::cry:

I haven't really gone through all the forums, but from what I saw of TMK he would inform the masses, advertise Sony's greatness or get provoked intosuper defense mode (as previously mentioned). Even when he was provoked i never saw any F-:bomb:s or personal attacks..there was one instance where he MAY have but by time I got to the forum he had already edited his post and apologized....

Oh TMK, you were loyal to the bitter end


P.S. Buy a :ps3:

[CouRageouS]

I think people are just feeling bad because of his social threads where he got crapped on but received some sympathy at the same time. Its like if you took Dwight out of the cast of the Office. I'd like to know if/how he violated the TOS, banning for his extreme opinion seems unjust. I don't look in the PS3 forums often so I'm probably not a victim to his terrorism.

[Liquid 2]

I'd like to know if/how he violated the TOS, banning for his extreme opinion seems unjust. I don't look in the PS3 forums often so I'm probably not a victim to his terrorism.
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[neocisco]

It's a bad analogy in the sense that the "car wreck" mentality applied to threads he started/posted in rather frequently, so it's not so much the banning that has drawn people's attention as it is who was banned.

Is it the business of other folks? Perhaps. I'm not here to argue that, though.

People don't care when John-Boy gets banned after flooding the deals forum with "free Xbox 360 Elite!" threads. As a "community," though, some may care (i.e., have interest) in why TMK was banned (whether why now as opposed to before, or why at all).
Definitely in agreement, particularly the last paragraph. When a "regular" or long-time member gets banned it's not asking too much to know the reason. For example, Punk_Raven was recently banned. I'd like to know why since I've never seen a post of his that would indicate he needs to be banned. The fact the first thread was not just locked but deleted was pretty weak. It was a fair discussion that should have stayed open. As far as TMK goes, a temp ban? Maybe. I don't know, I didn't see the offending posts. Permaban? If it was just for fanboyism, even rampant fanboyism, sorry but that seems extreme. I have to disagree with you on that one, Casey.

[Liquid 2]

Punk_Raven asked to be permabanned because he was a :baby:, neocisco.

[neocisco]

Punk_Raven asked to be permabanned because he was a :baby:, neocisco.

He actually asked to be banned or are you editorializing?

[Liquid 2]

He actually asked to be banned or are you editorializing?
He actually asked to be banned because he is actually is a crybaby.

[Rocko]

He actually asked to be banned or are you editorializing?

He really did ask. Dude's been going off the deep end in the OTT for weeks.

There ya go.

That covers just about 90% of the users on this site, I'd say.

[Liquid 2]

That covers just about 90% of the users on this site, I'd say.Sounds about right. :lol:

[prmononoke]

That covers just about 90% of the users on this site, I'd say.

I was about to say something similar to that. Just about anyone who posts interferes with someone's enjoyment. If you disagree with something someone says, you can claim interference of enjoyment. Thus, that rule is pretty much void, since it has rarely been enforced. It would be unfair to start enforcing it now.

[InuFaye]

If anyone needs to be banned its CoffeEdge, that man is the biggest troll on Cag by far.

[Liquid 2]

I'm surprised CoffeeEdge has lasted as long as he has, myself.

I was about to say something similar to that. Just about anyone who posts interferes with someone's enjoyment. If you disagree with something someone says, you can claim interference of enjoyment. Thus, that rule is pretty much void, since it has rarely been enforced. It would be unfair to start enforcing it now.
TMK interfered with the enjoyment of plenty of users though.

[yukine]

Good riddance, the guy is nothing more than a troll. Most of his threads just ended up in flame wars, and he liked it that way.

I'm all for this thread that Crotch has suggested of though.

[jer7583]

I had no problem with Mana Knight until he took arguements about systems and made them personal. Getting personally offended by disliking a game system is too far. Also, personally insulting users like myself and MarkMan when we were contrary to his views also is unacceptable. I admit I did rile him up sometimes, but his reactions were often uncalled for.

For example, saying that I "take it up master chief's butt" because I had said something about disliking JRPGs, accusing me of piracy multiple times for using custom firmware. And telling markman to "make love to his arcade stick because he'll never get a woman" because he said the 360 version of VF5 was better. We don't need someone like that at CAG.

And the GGT thread has been 100x better since he was banned as well.

[mykevermin]

I'm surprised CoffeeEdge has lasted as long as he has, myself.

One surefire way to get this thread locked up, too, is to turn it into a "this person should be banned/unbanned" thread.

I admit I did rile him up sometimes, but his reactions were often uncalled for.

:-s

[blueweltall]

So is he banned forever? I think maybe he should just get a short time out period.

[kjauburn]

Banned user thread isn't a bad idea, but I don't see a reason to have every banned person listed. Maybe users who have been using the site for more then 6 months should be listed? Still I could see the pain in just the way the discussion would lead everytime someone disagreed with the call.

Cheapy any chance you capture information in the db on why a user was banned? Maybe displaying the information when people pull up the user profile would be the easiest way to handle it. If it doesn't exists, perhaps the field to capture the necessary information could be add to the next version. Seems like the banned user request is made every month...

[TimPV3]

I say we ban DemolitionMan, he's a huge Wii and DVD fanboy. His posts are annoying, oh I love the Wii, I hate HD, blah blah.

Or what about Iamthecheapestgamer? He derails threads with his constant bitching about not spending over $10 on games, and just talks shit about anything over that amount. Yeah buddy, we get it, and don't care if you don't buy new games.

Or there's Gizmogc. He's pretty entertaining though.

[willardhaven]

While he wasn't nearly as entertainging as RegalSin, TMK was pretty funny.

Ah well.

Did he really cause that much trouble?

[neocisco]

I say we ban DemolitionMan, he's a huge Wii and DVD fanboy. His posts are annoying, oh I love the Wii, I hate HD, blah blah.

Or what about Iamthecheapestgamer? He derails threads with his constant bitching about not spending over $10 on games, and just talks shit about anything over that amount. Yeah buddy, we get it, and don't care if you don't buy new games.

Or there's Gizmogc. He's pretty entertaining though.

Read the post 3 above yours, sport. You're not helping the chances of this proposed thread actually happening with your "I don't like this person, ban him" nonsense.

[InuFaye]

Yes please no more ban so and so.

[prmononoke]

I had no problem with Mana Knight until he took arguements about systems and made them personal. Getting personally offended by disliking a game system is too far. Also, personally insulting users like myself and MarkMan when we were contrary to his views also is unacceptable. I admit I did rile him up sometimes, but his reactions were often uncalled for.

For example, saying that I "take it up master chief's butt" because I had said something about disliking JRPGs, accusing me of piracy multiple times for using custom firmware. And telling markman to "make love to his arcade stick because he'll never get a woman" because he said the 360 version of VF5 was better. We don't need someone like that at CAG.

And the GGT thread has been 100x better since he was banned as well.
I will admit I had a problem with the whole "anti-custom firmware" stance that TMK took (for about a year, homebrew was the only reason to own a PSP), but other than that, I really don't think he was that bothersome. Sure, he took things personally that shouldn't be taken personally, but he's a guy who obviously had (has) a pretty shitty social life. Of course he's going to be a bit crazy. That's no reason to ban the guy (or mock him at that). He was a generally nice guy, and if you have a problem with "take it up master chief's butt," then you should have a problem with anyone who insults someone on here, which is like...almost everyone. Really, I see more insults and general rudeness and negativity on CAG than I see almost anywhere else.

[daphatty]

Really, I see more insults and general rudeness and negativity on CAG than I see almost anywhere else.

I'm glad you pointed this out.

We will be addressing the issue of "rudeness and negativity on CAG" very soon. If you suspect yourself (anyone reading this post) to have been a part of this problem, do yourself a favor and start being nicer.

[prmononoke]

I'm glad you pointed this out.

We will be addressing the issue of "rudeness and negativity on CAG" very soon. If you suspect yourself (anyone reading this post) to have been a part of this problem, do yourself a favor and start being nicer.
Glad to hear (or read, I guess) it!

[Milkyman]

I'm surprised CoffeeEdge has lasted as long as he has, myself.


TMK interfered with the enjoyment of plenty of users though.

actually this thread made me think of Coffee Edge as well. Not that i'm advocating his banning or anything but he's one of those guys that stick out like mana knight did.

[zewone]

People who say he was a moderate fanboy must have missed a lot of his posts.

The "kid" (dude is like 30 years old) said he would kill himself if Sony quit the gaming business.

[blueweltall]

People who say he was a moderate fanboy must have missed a lot of his posts.

The "kid" (dude is like 30 years old) said he would kill himself if Sony quit the gaming business.

Really?:lol:

[zewone]

Yes.

[jer7583]

While entertaining, CAG is better off without him and the arguments that followed in his wake, nobody can dispute that.

[Dr Mario Kart]

There should be a Scrabble-style challenge system in which we can submit evidence for a particular user being banned, and then if you lose, you get a temp ban or something.

[Ugamer_X]

TMK was the most annoying tool on CAG, but that was certainly not reason enough to ban him. Banning people simply because they blindly support something to the point of lunacy sets a bad precedent for all future moderating on the site. There's an ignore list for a reason, TMK did nothing that couldn't be resolved by simply ignoring him.

We will be addressing the issue of "rudeness and negativity on CAG" very soon. If you suspect yourself (anyone reading this post) to have been a part of this problem, do yourself a favor and start being nicer.
Well, fuck that.

[VipFREAK]

I'm surprised this thread has gone as long as it has.

[Ikohn4ever]

i think this thread is a good idea for posting people who have over 10 posts or so, but it should be a mod only thread. Everyone should be able to read it, but only mods should be able to post in it, would keep things real clean in the thread.

[zewone]

Banning people simply because they blindly support something to the point of lunacy sets a bad precedent for all future moderating on the site.
Having him around sets a bad precedent for the site.

It makes it seem as if his type of inflammatory fanboy posts are accepted.

[Machine]

Now TMK can go in the Cagwiki shrine right next to DLF

[guyver2077]

wow so hes finally gone..

[HotShotX]

actually this thread made me think of Coffee Edge as well. Not that i'm advocating his banning or anything but he's one of those guys that stick out like mana knight did.

Sticking out should not be the crime, which is what it sounds like it's going to end up being, given the posts in this thread. Anyone on CAG should be allowed to be a fanboy if they want, but they need to be capable of defended their choice with intelligent conversation, and not just the putting down of others.

I don't really know TMK's case, so I won't comment on that.

~HotShotX

[shrike4242]

Lock this thread up, nothing to see here.

[StillFree]

Having him around sets a bad precedent for the site. Banning him because you don't agree with his opinions does too. If he was banned because his opinions rubbed a mod the wrong way then that mod needs to grow the hell up.

[zewone]

Ban this ^ guy.

I don't want to see any differing opinions.

[StillFree]

Ban this ^ guy.

I don't want to see any differing opinions.


Not going to happen... =; Casey isn't on atm.

[Thongsy]

TMK was a crazy fanboy, banworthy? No, well maybe since I don't know what the post was that got him there. He was too bias for his own good, but I didn't see him go troll the xbox or wii forums, and only general gaming but than there were those who did provoke him or were just as bad as him on the other side of bashing the PS3 and promoting the 360. So unless he was banned for something else, I can think of several people who should be banned right now if they aren't.

[neocisco]

I'm glad you pointed this out.

We will be addressing the issue of "rudeness and negativity on CAG" very soon. If you suspect yourself (anyone reading this post) to have been a part of this problem, do yourself a favor and start being nicer.

As long as a new policy applies to EVERY user that's fine. Without naming names (like I really have to), NO ONE should be exempt.

[KingBroly]

Ban people for hate speech, not being fanboys. BTW, VHS is the ONLY VIABLE FORMAT! MWAHAHA!!

Seriously, I don't know what was the one post, or group of posts that caused it, but perma-bans should not be used for fanboyism. Especially first offense fanboyisms.

A list of all the people banned, and why, and how long is a good idea. It gives examples to the rest of the community on how to stay clean. YO JOE!

[whoknows]

As long as a new policy applies to EVERY user that's fine. Without naming names (like I really have to), NO ONE should be exempt.
Agreed

After TMK the more deserving people should be banned as well. I won't name names either.

[DJSteel]

and so it begins... modding the mods is a horrible idea..if The Mana Knight deserved to be banned then he is banned...live with it...the worst decision you can make as a contributing member is to question the volunteered mods that do a ton of work to make the forums a great place to hang out...if you have a problem with the banning then you deal with it acordingly and go to CheapyD or the mod if you know who that person is...

[terribledeli]

People who say he was a moderate fanboy must have missed a lot of his posts.



I'm thinking alot of folks missed his posts. Did anyone not see when he would derail anything about another console if someone said Sony had dropped the ball?

Go back and re-read the post about the PS3 version of Smackdown 08 not including the ability to have custom themes. He completely took a normal thread and tried to claim the PS3 version was superior because of his not-related-to-Smackdown in any regard reasons. hell, in any post he defended the PS3...he'd follow it up with "I can give lots of reasons why the 360 sucks" Yeah. Class act he certainly was.

Not to mention the sheer amount of insane complete gutter mouth posts in the GGT. How often did he refer to somebody as a "Fucking nerd" when they disagreed with him? Followed by a string of "fucks". Yeah, He's a real asset to the site. Please unban him.

[CheapyD]

I'll allow this thread to stay open a little longer to get some more feedback from the community.

Going forward, I will consider making a banned user thread and creating a specific moderator protocol for perma-banning of users.

[The Crotch]

1: Alright, thanks, Cheapy.
2: Why was it closed?
3: Open "a little longer"? I don't come 'round these parts all that often. Is it standard procedure to lock threads in this subforum?

[Don Chubo]

....the worst decision you can make as a contributing member is to question the volunteered mods.....

Why? Why shouldn't it be open for discussion for the community? If the powers that be here are serious about accepting feedback from the community, then why shouldn't someone be able to comment on a Mod's actions?

[docvinh]

Why? Why shouldn't it be open for discussion for the community? If the powers that be here are serious about accepting feedback from the community, then why shouldn't someone be able to comment on a Mod's actions?
I'm pretty sure if you have a problem with a mod, you're supposed to pm Cheapy about it. It's so we don't have people opening "demod the mod" threads.

[neocisco]

and so it begins... modding the mods is a horrible idea..if The Mana Knight deserved to be banned then he is banned...live with it...the worst decision you can make as a contributing member is to question the volunteered mods that do a ton of work to make the forums a great place to hang out...if you have a problem with the banning then you deal with it acordingly and go to CheapyD or the mod if you know who that person is...

IMO, authority should almost always be questioned. Not so much to be rebellious but to act as a balance. Some people with authority (I'm not implying any particular mods, more like cops:)) tend to start tripping on it. I've never had a problem with any mod and, in fact, have received quite a bit of help from a few of them, namely Shrike, Trakan and guinaevere. I very much appreciate the mods who are active and help take care of problems. Mods, however, do sometimes make mistakes and pointing them out out in a civilized manner shouldn't cause a user to be ostracized.

I'll allow this thread to stay open a little longer to get some more feedback from the community.

Going forward, I will consider making a banned user thread and creating a specific moderator protocol for perma-banning of users.

Cool. Thanks for listening to our input. I liked the idea that someone else mentioned, that the banned user thread can only be posted in by mods and forum guides.

[DJSteel]

I'm pretty sure if you have a problem with a mod, you're supposed to pm Cheapy about it. It's so we don't have people opening "demod the mod" threads.

exactly.. if you have an issue with a mod you take that up with Cheapy and he'll talk to the mod about it...there is no point of doing this publically other than making the mod look bad publically..

[integralsmatic]

exactly.. if you have an issue with a mod you take that up with Cheapy and he'll talk to the mod about it...there is no point of doing this publically other than making the mod look bad publically..

Agreed, its personal discretions that the rest of CAG doesnt need to know about. personally, I dont need to know why user X was permabanned...the mods have their reasons and thats that. if you have a problem with any user..take it up with them.

as for TMK, I never read his threads except the post your pics thread..which was epic imo, and that thread about the ps3 starting to outsell the wii or something. In that thread i saw flame war written all over it and it happend. If his banning lifts the negativity off CAG so be it. It was his fault, he was warned, and he paid for it.

i wouldnt mind a list of permabanned users..but maybe if that list is made with a reason for the permaban. That could erase the "why was he banned?" question.

edit: just contradicted myself haha

what i meant to say was i dont need to know what the problems with a specific user are....Thats their personal business.

[neocisco]

exactly.. if you have an issue with a mod you take that up with Cheapy and he'll talk to the mod about it...there is no point of doing this publically other than making the mod look bad publically..

Good point. I didn't get the impression, though, that anyone was trying to make Casey look bad. You can question someone's decision without questioning their ability.

[The Crotch]

exactly.. if you have an issue with a mod you take that up with Cheapy and he'll talk to the mod about it...there is no point of doing this publically other than making the mod look bad publically..As it stands, however, we do not have enough information in many cases to even go to Cheapy with. We didn't know who banned Mana (and I'm really regretting putting his name in the thread title, as that's not what this is really about) until Casey specifically said it was him in this thread. My idea isn't about creating a venue for us to fling poo at Mods, it's about adding a bit of transparency. I am aware of the workload that Mods voluntarily put on themselves, but nobody is infallible. There's nothing wrong with a little bit of extra accountability.

[docvinh]

Good point. I didn't get the impression, though, that anyone was trying to make Casey look bad. You can question someone's decision without questioning their ability.
I don't think anyone was trying to make Casey look bad, but LinkinPrime was definitely crapped on, they opened a demodding thread and everything. No one needs that kind of nonsense.

[alexandertyler]

I know someone who was banned because of a difference of opinion with a mod. That person had not broken any rules at all, in fact his posts were being deleted for no reason and he was upset by this. Actually his posts were deleted because the mod disagreed with him. After some rather witty comebacks from the forum member -- mind you with absolutely no profanity or derogatory comments -- the mod couldn't take it and banned him.

The banned guy then contacted Cheapy D who promptly ignored the whole incident and in fact did not even comment on the situation at all. In fact, no direct response at all.

I fear that I'll get banned just for pointing this out but figured it is worth it considering that this is THE elephant in the room in regards to this site. I have purposefully left out all of the identifying information of the forum member and the mod in question for fear of reprisals. Remember, it is not a democracy and they can do whatever they want to you!

If I am not banned from the site for these truths I can easily see my post being deleted.

By the way, if we had a "demod the mod" thread, I can almost guarantee that whoever starts it will be banned, the thread locked and deleted . . . so be careful out there guys and gals!

Have a good one and good luck, if I get banned for this I will love and miss all of you!

Later,

Alex

[yukine]

I think a lot of you are missing the point as to why TMK was banned, which further proves that we really need a moderator-only thread that explains said mods decision to ban someone.

It's not that he was banned for being a fanboy, if that was the case then a lot of CAGs would of been banned already. Rather, he was banned for his unprovoked arguments and insistent bickering among other CAGs, as well as his failure to stop even though he was given more than enough warnings. He contributed nothing but animosity among us, which is harmful to our forums camaraderie, and also gives a bad impression to new users of the forum.

I'm just glad Casey finally did what needed to be done, and now he is getting all this unnecessary backlash for his actions. Yeah, fuck you Casey for making our site better, what the hell is wrong with you?

[alexandertyler]

I think a lot of you are missing the point as to why TMK was banned, which further proves that we really need a moderator-only thread that explains said mods decision to ban someone.

It's not that he was banned for being a fanboy, if that was the case then a lot of CAGs would of been banned already. Rather, he was banned for his unprovoked arguments and insistent bickering among other CAGs, as well as his failure to stop even though he was given more than enough warnings. He contributed nothing but animosity among us, which is harmful to our forums camaraderie, and also gives a bad impression to new users of the forum.

I'm just glad Casey finally did what needed to be done, and now he is getting all this unnecessary backlash for his actions. Yeah, fuck you Casey for making our site better, what the hell is wrong with you?

I don't know about the specifics of the case in question but there should be some form of arbitration or at least have some oversite. As it stands you are S.O.L. if you are banned, ultimately the purpose of mods is to take stress off of Cheapy D, especially since he has a new son!

Oh well, letting people question and vent helps keep the community morale high.

Later,

Alex

[neocisco]

Again, I don't think anyone is attacking Casey. People just want accountability and the same guidelines applied to all members.

[The Crotch]

I'm just glad Casey finally did what needed to be done, and now he is getting all this unnecessary backlash for his actions. Yeah, fuck you Casey for making our site better, what the hell is wrong with you?Direct me to this backlash of which you speak. I see a lot of people questioning the decision, but I can not recall anyone actually attacking Casey. Of course, I'm too much of a lazy prick to go back and read all the posts in this thread again, so they could be in there.

[Don Chubo]

Again, I don't think anyone is attacking Casey. People just want accountability and the same guidelines applied to all members.


Direct me to this backlash of which you speak. I see a lot of people questioning the decision, but I can not recall anyone actually attacking Casey. Of course, I'm too much of a lazy prick to go back and read all the posts in this thread again, so they could be in there.

What they said.

[prmononoke]

Like the others said, no one is attacking Casey. No one even knew he was the one that banned TMK until he admitted it. Besides, your idea of CAG being better with TMK gone is ridiculous. Even if it is better (it's not), it's ridiculous to suggest that unfairly banning someone for the betterment of the board is even close to fair, especially when so many people didn't have a problem with the person in question.

On another note, this seems to be pretty polarazing. Who would have thought the banning of TMK would be one of the hottest topics here in a while?

[dastly75]

Sometimes I had trouble believing TMK was a real person and not just some Sony Defense character. He was a fucking psycho. Kinda glad hes gone for aforementioned reasons in the thread.

[InuFaye]

I dont think its TMK we are worried about, its the fact that being banned for being a rabid fanboy is what is concerning to most.

I think we just need fair ground laid out, this place does not have to become ban central, ala NeoGAF, but we do need some more bannings around here to try and clean up the crap.

[yukine]

Like the others said, no one is attacking Casey. No one even knew he was the one that banned TMK until he admitted it. Besides, your idea of CAG being better with TMK gone is ridiculous. Even if it is better (it's not), it's ridiculous to suggest that unfairly banning someone for the betterment of the board is even close to fair, especially when so many people didn't have a problem with the person in question.

On another note, this seems to be pretty polarazing. Who would have thought the banning of TMK would be one of the hottest topics here in a while?
Perhaps "backlash" was too strong of a word?

And how exactly is it ridiculous? Why is CAG better with him around? And again, how was it unfair for him to be banned? He was warned multiple times, he was banned for failing to adhere to the forums rules. It's not that complicated, really... the forums are better with him gone.

[Blackout]

It wasn't just Mana arguing over PS3, it was others as well. People knew good and well what the guy was about and they argued with him anyway. Sure he posted threads and defended PS3, but people could have just ignored him. Are we also going to ban people who troll PS3 threads with the same tired arguments? What about the ones that do the same with the 360 or Wii? He did go over the top but it wasn't just Mana posting and arguing with himself.

[The Crotch]

Well, I've learned my lesson - never put "Mana Knight" in your thread title unless you want things to get derailed.

But far more importantly, I've learned that there's no way to add a poll to a thread after you've created it. Curses!

[rodeojones903]

I think the idea of a banned user thread is good. Helps show people what is unacceptable behavior.


On the other hand I don't think TMK should be banned unless you are going to ban the many others that are far worse than him. Any regular CAG knows who these people are.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I'd be up for TMK being collateral damage as long as we can get some others in the blast.

For instance, I would encourage a mod to look at the percentage of jollydwarf's posts in the Wii forums only that have no purpose other than to promote discord (Hint: nearly all of them)

I'd be more than happy to dive deep and submit a detailed case history as evidence

[The Crotch]

C'mon, DMK. You know we're supposed to refer to those we have problems with as "you know who" or "that certain poster" or "someone who I will not name, but everyone knows who I'm talking about". Besides that, this isn't the "Hey, you banned Mana - now how about doing something about DMK/Shrike/Crotch?" thread.

[Paco]

So. TMK died for our LULZ? It is sad but am I the only one that has the weird feeling that The Mana Knight was the reincarnation of Johnny Turbo? I mean the attitude and style is too coincidental for my tastes.

[Dead of Knight]

Maybe now he'll have the time to find his first girlfriend.

[Paco]

Maybe now he'll have the time to find his first girlfriend.

You're under the assumption that he is real. Everyone knows that he's Sony's version of Johnny Turbo. Silly girl and her notions of TMK being a real person. What's wrong with you?

[SpikeSpiegel]

I haven't seen any of his posts so I can't really say if he should have been banned or not, but perma'd? Fanboyism isn't a very good reason to ban someone. This is a gaming site fanyboys are in the majority. While some may take it too far they should be suspended with a warning. The punishment doesn't fit the crime.

[Lieutenant Dan]

I agree with the OP that a little transparency wouldn't hurt. I think it would do all sides good.

(Can someone quickly, in a nutshell, explain why the Mana Knight was banned? He was the dude with the identity problems, right? He looked like a cool kid, but liked niche RPGs, that sort of thing... or am I thinking of someone else?)

[The Crotch]

I agree with the OP that a little transparency wouldn't hurt. I think it would do all sides good.

(Can someone quickly, in a nutshell, explain why the Mana Knight was banned? He was the dude with the identity problems, right? He looked like a cool kid, but liked niche RPGs, that sort of thing... or am I thinking of someone else?)Massive, insane, embarrassing levels of fanboyism. It's, like... reading his posts would make you embarrassed to have ever owned a Sony product. Or watched a film with the name "Sony" attached to it. Or bought a CD. Or, really, even acknowledge the existence of the nation of Japan.

EDIT: Also, the occasional personal attack, as noted earlier. And a tendency to fly totally off the handle and derail threads that weren't even tangentially related to whatever it was he wanted to talk about. At least, that's my understanding of things.

[Lieutenant Dan]

Massive, insane, embarrassing levels of fanboyism. It's, like... reading his posts would make you embarrassed to have ever owned a Sony product. Or watched a film with the name "Sony" attached to it. Or bought a CD. Or, really, even acknowledge the existence of the nation of Japan.

Thanks for clearing it up, though it should be noted that I'm a huge idiot for reading this whole thread and not realizing that TMK = TheManaKnight.

Sorry.

[Don Chubo]

People knew good and well what the guy was about and they argued with him anyway.
...and some went out of their way to taunt him, make fun of him, and piss him off.

[The Crotch]

I agree with the OP that a little transparency wouldn't hurt. I think it would do all sides good.Rodeo said something similar to this, and I should have highlighted it when he said it. Hurray for second chances!

A Banned User Thread would not just be helpful for regular users. It's also a benefit for the Mods - a way for them to say, "This is what so-and-so-did, and this is what happened to him. Now don't fucking do it."

[metaly]

Just wanted to add another vote against ManaKnight's ban. I didn't have a huge issue with the so-called fanboyism because it was generally backed up and more eloquent than the typical fanboys you see online. However, I did notice an instance of him going off on a personal attack out of nowhere which is definitely not cool, so I say bring him back and tell him to chill out a bit. Put him on probation and see if he can take a break from the Sony talk if he understands how much it bugged other people.

Generally he seemed like a decent guy. And how come nobody's mentioned that he was the only one doing anything to set up CAG Warhawk games? Granted, I missed the last couple games but I appreciate the effort.

[StrandedBrit]

Just wanted to add another vote against ManaKnight's ban. I didn't have a huge issue with the so-called fanboyism because it was generally backed up and more eloquent than the typical fanboys you see online. However, I did notice an instance of him going off on a personal attack out of nowhere which is definitely not cool, so I say bring him back and tell him to chill out a bit. Put him on probation and see if he can take a break from the Sony talk if he understands how much it bugged other people.

Generally he seemed like a decent guy. And how come nobody's mentioned that he was the only one doing anything to set up CAG Warhawk games? Granted, I missed the last couple games but I appreciate the effort.

I second that.

If you go by what people have been posting here if makes Mana look like a lunatic, which he's not. Fanboy, most definitely. Over the top, sometimes. But there was a lot of good he also brought to the forums. My 2 cents.

[daroga]

This whole thing was handled pretty poorly, overall.

I understand some of the issues at hand, but there's no excuse for defaulting to a permanent ban. A warning, temporary ban should've been used and then if after that expired he hadn't cleaned up his act, the permanent ban should've been in place. It should be noted that his ban noticed listed the reason of "fanboyism." So that is the reason he was banned.

I fear for the precedent these events set.

[shrike4242]

C'mon, DMK. You know we're supposed to refer to those we have problems with as "you know who" or "that certain poster" or "someone who I will not name, but everyone knows who I'm talking about". Besides that, this isn't the "Hey, you banned Mana - now how about doing something about DMK/Shrike/Crotch?" thread.Thanks for tossing me under the bus with you and DMK. :-s

[benjamouth]

I agree with banning the Mana Knight, he does turn most of the threads he posts in into a flame war. Either through his own comments or because of people baiting him with posts they know he'll react to.

He was the only cag on my ignore list and reading the forums was a better experience for it.

As someone else posted I think the ban will help him as well as he seemed way too emotionally invested in defending Sony, one less place he has to do that may help free up some time to get his emotional problems sorted out, or at least better managed.

[Derrick1979]

Seriously banning someone for the passion they have for a game system on a site that pretty much circulates around games? Everyone on here pretty much at one time or another has posted something that is questionable, me personally I have not held back with any rants I felt like posting. All the encounters I have had with TMK in the past I can not recall any of them seriously getting to me..

If anything I see this ban from someone taking something personal or just plain personal irritation which would in a way be abuse of your "Mod" powers.

So are you going to ban everyone for posting opinions on a message board especially when people are falling victim posting about games on a gaming thread????



"Really"

[docvinh]

Seriously banning someone for the passion they have for a game system on a site that pretty much circulates around games? Everyone on here pretty much at one time or another has posted something that is questionable, me personally I have not held back with any rants I felt like posting. All the encounters I have had with TMK in the past I can not recall any of them seriously getting to me..

If anything I see this ban from someone taking something personal or just plain personal irritation which would in a way be abuse of your "Mod" powers.

So are you going to ban everyone for posting opinions on a message board especially when people are falling victim posting about games on a gaming thread????



"Really"
No doubt he had passion for the system, and there's nothing wrong with that. However, he took it a step further and went completely nuts over any little mention about Sony, or stuff that was perceived to be about Sony. It sounds like he was given fair warning to calm it down a bit, and he didn't; hence, he was banned.

[Apossum]

See: Botticus' post.
This, of course, would explain why everyone here knew what was going on with Mana before Casey told us in this thread. And shit, this is the second iteration of this thread in as many days.


I don't get what was so hard to figure out about this banning. the guy derailed every freaking thread and turned them into flame wars. he was also batshit insane and claimed to be physically affected by the site and by teh console warz

It's annoying that a bunch of lurkers and people who don't frequent the same threads as him (and I) are complaining about his banning, as if we need a justice system on CAG. A ban list is not going to help anyone either...for one thing, when was the last time someone was banned for anything other than having multiple accounts or for acting like an all around douche? hint: never.

if you see someone banned, go to the OTT and ask why they were banned. Better yet-- PM a mod. Most of them seem nice enough to give some kind of response.

[Zen Davis]

I ain't afaid to say that I gave TMK the boot. I banned him because I just became fed up with his crap and his fanboyism. Let me be frank, his fanboyism is completely on a different level than most other people. The common comparison has been between Linkin and TMK lately, but that is completely unfair. Linkin doesn't run around bashing systems and trying to start flame wars and arguments based on what system that they liked.

Also I am probably the only mod who actually goes through and reads the PS3 board on a daily basis. After a while, TMK just grates on you with his posts and his constant quest to start flame wars. For the betterment of CAG I felt he had to go.

I hope you understand that you'll have his blood on your hands. Guy was lonely enough as it was...

[tiredfornow]

I hope you understand that you'll have his blood on your hands. Guy was lonely enough as it was...

:roll:

Okay, Miyamoto.

[Zen Davis]

It wasn't out of nowhere. He had been warned by plenty of mods in the past. He can cry and say whatever he wants to TFN on AIM, but it wasn't out of nowhere. I don't get why this is such a big deal. He was a troll who derailed every thread he posted in. CAG is better without him.
He was like the crazy uncle that grew on your after a while with his quirks. Think Dr. Emmett Brown but instead of science, he was all about the PS3. I never took him all that seriously.

:roll:

Okay, Miyamoto.

And I expect you to keep calling me that.

[Jimbo Slice]

I don't get what was so hard to figure out about this banning. the guy derailed every freaking thread and turned them into flame wars. he was also batshit insane and claimed to be physically affected by the site and by teh console warz

Excellent point.

It's annoying that a bunch of lurkers and people who don't frequent the same threads as him (and I) are complaining about his banning, as if we need a justice system on CAG.

Another excellent point, seems most people defending him are lurkers. Dude said he would literally cry if Playstation stopped being made. Case closed.

Hopefully this banning will allow him to explore social options.

[daroga]

Another excellent point, seems most people defending him are lurkers. Dude said he would literally cry if Playstation stopped being made. Case closed.

Hopefully this banning will allow him to explore social options.I'm a lurker? Crap. :(

[Jimbo Slice]

I'm a lurker? Crap. :(

You're one of the only exceptions 8-)

[daroga]

You're one of the only exceptions 8-)*whew* I'm hip again.

Seroiously, though. I can't see how anyone can be happy with the way this was handled. No-warning-perma-bans are not the way to run a ship with an established member.

Temp bans as warnings? Certainly. Did Mana need a warning? Probably. But not like this.

[Zen Davis]

After reading through the entire thread and every post here, I have to say that I think that Mana Knight should be given one last chance. As others have said, this stems mostly from the sympathy I've developed for him from CAG Lifestyle posts. If he flunks out this time, I think everyone would be in agreement to let him go, especially since we all went to bat for him one last time and he decided he didn't want to be contributing member of the community.

Also, I understand that Cheapy is a busy guy, but he should have his thumb on all of his moderators to see that they do the right thing instead of just blindly backing them up on everything. I've been through a lot of different message boards and CAG has probably the most concretely mature community that I've seen and I hate to see that change.

In a community, the leaders have a responsibility to the people and the people have a responsibility to their leaders. It's a symbiotic relationship. However if CAG tries to become some sort of hand holding, nanny state, where bannings are rampant, it's going to make a lot of members uneasy and make the forums a lot less fun to visit. It's really no different than banning tag or any of the other crazy/fun stuff that goes on in schools in the name of safety/the community.

I guess what I'm saying is that you can't bubble wrap everything, if you get what I mean.

[dallow]

He should come back.
Other users are FAR WORSE.

[tiredfornow]

CAG has probably the most concretely mature community that I've seen and I hate to see that change. exactly, which is why ThatManaKnight is gone. If you mentioned something about Sony suckin' dick, he'd hop in the thread a day later w/ a response to what you said even though it was 200 posts before like a :baby:... which was pretty much every thread.

[Zen Davis]

exactly, which is why ThatManaKnight is gone. If you mentioned something about Sony suckin' dick, he'd hop in the thread a day later w/ a response to what you said even though it was 200 posts before like a :baby:... which was pretty much every thread.
But I always thought that was funny. I never took that seriously. It's like if a hobo called me something derogratory. I could never take it seriously. Besides, I would never say something stupid like "Sony sucks dick."

I mean I like to believe that I have bit more wit to me than that, but that's neither here or there.

[dallow]

But I always thought that was funny. I never took that crap seriously. It's like if a hobo called me something derogratory. I could never take it seriously.Exactly.

TMK didn't even curse like a lot of the dick heads on this site.

[Apossum]

After reading through the entire thread and every post here, I have to say that I think that Mana Knight should be given one last chance. As others have said, this stems mostly from the sympathy I've developed for him from CAG Lifestyle posts. If he flunks out this time, I think everyone would be in agreement to let him go, especially since we all went to bat for him one last time and he decided he didn't want to be contributing member of the community.

Also, I understand that Cheapy is a busy guy, but he should have his thumb on all of his moderators to see that they do the right thing instead of just blindly backing them up on everything. I've been through a lot of different message boards and CAG has probably the most concretely mature community that I've seen and I hate to see that change.

In a community, the leaders have a responsibility to the people and the people have a responsibility to their leaders. It's a symbiotic relationship. However if CAG tries to become some sort of hand holding, nanny state, where bannings are rampant, it's going to make a lot of members uneasy and make the forums a lot less fun to visit. It's really no different than banning tag or any of the other crazy/fun stuff that goes on in schools in the name of safety/the community.

I guess what I'm saying is that you can't bubble wrap everything, if you get what I mean.



my point in case-- you post in the nintendo forums, what could you possibly gain from TMK sticking around? what would this thread tell you about TMK's post history? nothing.

I can't believe people are interpreting this as a sign that CAG is going to become a police state...a lot of you are reading wayyyy too deeply into this.


Seroiously, though. I can't see how anyone can be happy with the way this was handled. No-warning-perma-bans are not the way to run a ship with an established member.


I wasn't implying that you, inufaye, whoknows, or the other ggt'ers who are sticking up for him are random. just everyone else who is :)

but straight from the mod's mouth:
It wasn't out of nowhere. He had been warned by plenty of mods in the past. He can cry and say whatever he wants to TFN on AIM, but it wasn't out of nowhere. I don't get why this is such a big deal. He was a troll who derailed every thread he posted in. CAG is better without him.

[tiredfornow]

@ Miyamoto. Sure nobody here took him seriously, but he took himself and his beliefs seriously.. and thats where it started getting out of hand.
Exactly.

TMK didn't even curse like a lot of the dick heads on this site.
You must have missed when his volcano project erupted all over his DDR mats.

-giggles-

[dallow]

You must have missed when his volcano project erupted all over his DDR mats.

-giggles-It's his blood pressure man. I can't blame him! ;)

[rodeojones903]

exactly, which is why ThatManaKnight is gone. If you mentioned something about Sony suckin' dick, he'd hop in the thread a day later w/ a response to what you said even though it was 200 posts before like a :baby:... which was pretty much every thread.

Why does he not have the right to say something back if the other poster says that Sony sucks dick? Shouldn't the person that posted the comment about Sony get permanently banned as well?

It seems that all the blame is being placed on TMK, when its the original comments/other posters were the ones that caused the ruckus. All he ever really did was defend his system of choice when other people would bad mouth it, and he got banned for it. What punishment do other posters who constantly bash other systems get?

It looks like someone is trying to make an example of TMK, while letting people who are much worse than him get away with it. There are much larger problems with CAG posters than being a fanboy. What about all of the people who brag about ripping off people/companies? Those are the people that should be focused on banning.

[daphatty]

Why does he not have the right to say something back if the other poster says that Sony sucks dick?

This is an issue that affects everyone, not just TMK. If someone posts derogatory comments like this in a thread and you respond in kind, you are feeding the troll and are no better than the troll himself.

Just report the post and let a mod deal with it. You guys are great at reporting Spam posters. Forum trolls shouldn't be treated any different.

[benjamouth]

I see a lot of people saying he was banned without warning, but didn't 2 mods say he'd been warned several times.

Another reason I think he should stay banned is that he became a focus for people posting anti-sony threads just to get a reaction out of him. He didn't seem mature enough to just rise above it, so they will keep doing it.

Plus the occasional personal attacks were uncalled for, if someone does that more than once, they should be banned IMO.

[rodeojones903]

Another reason I think he should stay banned is that he became a focus for people posting anti-sony threads just to get a reaction out of him.


That is not something that he should be punished for.

[whoknows]

The thing is people intentionally set off TMK for reasons I don't know. Someone has even admitted it in this thread.

[zewone]

Exactly.

TMK didn't even curse like a lot of the dick heads on this site.
Dude was a saint.

No I'm not you fucking idiot. I was just stating the fucking truth over what fucking happened. I know very well dust doesn't void the fucking PS3 warranty and someone was just fucking trying to bring Sony fucking down.
Your fucking believing this fucking stupid shit??? What the fuck is wrong with too many fucking people these days. Trying to find any fucking reason to fucking hate Sony and the fucking PS3 all over fucking bonus articles that have no fucking meaning.

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/11/11/no-dust-doesnt-void-your-warranty-but-it-might/


See, I told everyone dust doesn't void the PS3 warranty. That is just more FUD spread at Sony.

All of you were owned who feel Sony would do such a thing.

Now if you want to talk about bad customer service, I could bring up that story about that guy who had to make several calls to 1-800-4MYXBOX.

[doraemonkerpal]

Dude was a saint.
I'm not defending TMK, but I've seen many posts from other memebers that were very similar :lol: (I don't think I need to mention any names hehe).

[zewone]

I'm not defending TMK, but I've seen many posts that were very similar :lol:
Oh, I know, I was just showing dullow that even our dear ThatManaKnight wasn't above cursing.

[dallow]

Oh, I know, I was just showing dullow that even our dear ThatManaKnight wasn't above cursing.For the most part, he didn't.
I didn't watch him like a hawk like some people.

I blame the blood pressure, haha.

[SteveMcQ]

Poor guy...has anyone been checking on him to make sure he's been taking his medication? Blood pressure rising....

[daroga]

I see a lot of people saying he was banned without warning, but didn't 2 mods say he'd been warned several times.They said that, yeah, but I've yet to see any proof on it. I suppose it's his word against their's. I'm not saying he wasn't warned, but I never saw a mod step into one of his rants with a stern warning.

If he was warned in PMs and lied to me, then shame on him. If the mods are lying to cover their butts on an impulsive, unjustifiably harsh action, shame on them.

[Zen Davis]

They said that, yeah, but I've yet to see any proof on it. I suppose it's his word against their's. I'm not saying he wasn't warned, but I never saw a mod step into one of his rants with a stern warning.

If he was warned in PMs and lied to me, then shame on him. If the mods are lying to cover their butts on an impulsive, unjustifiably harsh action, shame on them.

I just think that since the majority of the community has been asking that Mana Knight be given a Temp Ban instead of a Permanent one, the mods should give the benefit of a doubt to the community and let Mana Knight back in.

I have a feeling that certain people treat him like the old man who doesn't like kids on their lawn and so kids step specifically on his lawn to get a reaction.

Knight should be allowed a change of name so that only the mods know who he is and give me one last chance so this way people don't goad him into flame wars. If he still starts flaming with the new name, he should be kicked for good.

[rendil]

I mainly lurk in the PS3 and Wii forums, and never took issue with TMK. Sure, he was a little psycho, but it was entertaining for the most part. Rarely did his posts degrade into name calling or insults (and usually only when specifically provoked). Most of his posts were just obviously over the top Sony-love, but I never found it disruptive.

You have to look at the good things he did as well. He, more than most, has been the driving force behind a lot of organized CAG PS3 games. He set up, maintained, and ran several gaming groups.

He also seemed to avoid other platform forums - I suppose invoking the "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" rule. Which is more than I can say for a lot of the outspoken people here.

[Trakan]

They said that, yeah, but I've yet to see any proof on it. I suppose it's his word against their's. I'm not saying he wasn't warned, but I never saw a mod step into one of his rants with a stern warning.

If he was warned in PMs and lied to me, then shame on him. If the mods are lying to cover their butts on an impulsive, unjustifiably harsh action, shame on them.

I've warned him, in threads. I can't remember specific instances. No, it wasn't terribly recent either.

It wasn't impulsive, unjustified, or harsh. I don't know how many times I have to say this.

[daroga]

I've warned him, in threads. I can't remember specific instances. No, it wasn't terribly recent either.

It wasn't impulsive, unjustified, or harsh. I don't know how many times I have to say this.Truth be told, you could say it 1000 times and it wouldn't matter. Those are all subjective evaluations of the situation.

If those warnings were a while back and not recently, the fuels the thought even more that this was implusive, unjustified, and harsh.

I'm not really sure why this is being debated. Why would you not make the ban temporary and if he proves to be a problem to the site THEN drop the full-fledged hammer? If everyone assumes that's going to be the outcome anyway, it should please the people who seem to dislike him. If, by some miracle, we're not able to tell the future and maybe he would calm down and continue just being a productive member of the forum (as is easily seen looking at the PS3 game organization he did for those folks), then we've restored an asset to the community.

Seems pretty win-win to make the ban temporary to me.

[Zen Davis]

I've warned him, in threads. I can't remember specific instances. No, it wasn't terribly recent either.

It wasn't impulsive, unjustified, or harsh. I don't know how many times I have to say this.

But since the majority of the community is asking that you give him one more chance, won't you please consider it?

[zewone]

I'm not sure why this is being debated.

How about we trust the mods to do their job?

Cheapy picked them because he respects their decision making skills, so why not back them up by not making a big deal over something as meaningless as this?

[dallow]

Yeah, give him a couple weeks ban.

Tell him too cool it in the general gaming, or stick to the PS3 forum as he always did.
He did a lot organizing game nights, and such.

Though I never participated, I saw many that did.

[Ugamer_X]

It wasn't impulsive, unjustified, or harsh. I don't know how many times I have to say this.
You're gonna have to keep saying it because you're wrong. His banning was all of those things.

I hated that kid just as much as most people here, but it still doesn't mean that we get to ban everyone we one we dislike. For every instance ThatManaKnight made some ridiculous fanboy post in defense of Sony, I can show you the person that egged him on or a similar fanboy post by another member. See, even I acted like a dick towards him: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3554607&postcount=551

If he was truly being out of line more than usual, he could have received a temporary ban. The permaban for being a fanboy sets a double standard. It doesn't need to be said again but I'll say it anyway, anything he did could have been resolved by placing him on one's ignore list. That's why we have an ignore list in the first place.

Oh, and one last thing, I'm right and anyone who disagrees with me is wrong.

[Zen Davis]

I'm not sure why this is being debated.

How about we trust the mods to do their job?

Cheapy picked them because he respects their decision making skills, so why not back them up by not making a big deal over something as meaningless as this?

Because it's not meaningless.

[daroga]

I'm not sure why this is being debated.

How about we trust the mods to do their job?

Cheapy picked them because he respects their decision making skills, so why not back them up by not making a big deal over something as meaningless as this?Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

And Ugamer_X, you're dead on. Thanks for your post.

[Don Chubo]

He was also helpful at times in the Indiana Deals Thread. I think a tempban would have been much more fair.

[Ugamer_X]

Cheapy picked them because he respects their decision making skills, so why not back them up by not making a big deal over something as meaningless as this?
No he didn't, Cheapy picked mods based who is able to spend enough time on the forums to keep them in order. He didn't pick them because they were incapable of making mistakes.

[dallow]

You're gonna have to keep saying it because you're wrong. His banning was all of those things.

I hated that kid just as much as most people here, but it still doesn't mean that we get to ban everyone we one we dislike. For every instance ThatManaKnight made some ridiculous fanboy post in defense of Sony, I can show you the person that egged him on or a similar fanboy post by another member. See, even I acted like a dick towards him: http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3554607&postcount=551

If he was truly being out lof line more than usual, he could have received a temporary ban. The permaban for being a fanboy sets a double standard. It doesn't need to be said again but I'll say it anyway, anything he did could have been resolved by placing him on one's ignore list. That's why we have an ignore list in the first place.

Oh, and one last thing, I'm right and anyone who disgrees with me is wrong.Exactly, TMK even put tons of people on his ignore list because he knew the kind of people who posted just to incite him.

[docvinh]

I vote no. I feel that this sets a bad precedent in that everyone who is banned is going to be able to get people to petition their way back onto the board. I think he was given fair warning to calm down, didn't heed the warnings, and subsequently banned.

[dallow]

I vote no. I feel that this sets a bad precedent in that everyone who is banned is going to be able to get people to petition their way back onto the board. I think he was given fair warning to calm down, didn't heed the warnings, and subsequently banned.The fact that he has people who even hated him backing him up in this case should tell you something.

Tons of people have been banned in the last two years.
This is the only time I have cared, or have seen so many care.

[TC]

The Mana Knight is like the Shane Bettenhausen of CAG. You just have to ignore 95% of what he says, but that last 5% is usually entertaining.

[Rocko]

I vote no. I feel that this sets a bad precedent in that everyone who is banned is going to be able to get people to petition their way back onto the board. I think he was given fair warning to calm down, didn't heed the warnings, and subsequently banned.

No one would have a problem if he was temp banned before being permanently banned, which should've happened in this case and should happen in all cases (Well, most, as there's always exceptions for spammers and such who joined to cause problems). Then no one could say he didn't get a fair warning.

[gunm]

Exactly, TMK even put tons of people on his ignore list because he knew the kind of people who posted just to incite him.

Good point. The /ignore feature hasn't been brought up enough in this thread. It's tough with that guy because he straddled that "half coherent, half annoying batshit insane" fence pretty well, IMO. If the people he got under the skin of didn't stick him on ignore, wouldn't they be as much to blame as well? It's not like he didn't have this reputation for a long time. I didn't ignore him, but I did end up treating him like white noise if the post was koo koo enough.

[benjamouth]

I vote no. I feel that this sets a bad precedent in that everyone who is banned is going to be able to get people to petition their way back onto the board. I think he was given fair warning to calm down, didn't heed the warnings, and subsequently banned.

:applause: Good point.

EDIT - I mean are we going to debate every person who gets banned?

[evilmax17]

In less than three days, this thread has received 170+ posts and 3,500+ views. That's really unprecedented for a thread in the Feedback forum (a forum which often goes unnoticed), and pretty good for any thread in general. If nothing else, this should demonstrate that the community is very interested in this issue.

I'm glad that so many CAGs have stepped in and given their opinion on this, one way or the other. These questions, comments, suggestions, and concerns should not be swept under the rug or ignored.

[tiredfornow]

I talked with him a lot on AIM about how he handles things/his life/situation and his answers have always been ''I take pride in what I own, always have, always will''For every instance ThatManaKnight made some ridiculous fanboy post in defense of Sony, I can show you the person that egged him on or a similar fanboy post by another member.
I'll disagree with you there and say that nobody ever addressed him or was he a regular in the OTT. The guy would just sit there on his mornings reading through past OTTs and gather all of the information against Sony to make a giant wall of quotes w/ some kind of stupid answer to every one of them. You can't say EVERY time, because there were times where he couldn't keep his mouth shut about something and he'd let words fly as loose as most of us do.

A good example being, I mentioned my That Triple freezing on me once.. three days later he quotes my post w/ a response that was somewhere along the lines of ''Better than having a system that fucks up all the time cause their hardware is so shitty, right?'' Of course shit like that is not going to settle well with people, there are other people who take pride in what they own, too.

Trakan says he has warned him before, too.

[MarioColbert]

I'm well aware that when "fanboyism" is a key word in a discussion, it is probably wisest to be quiet. I'll navigate these waters carefully.


I never thought that a banning mechanism was in place to moderate opinions of the forums' users. (The community self-moderates much of its discussions, though naturally certain conflicting opinions will never reach a meaningful resolve.) I have always seen it as a necessary tool to deal with members that set themselves apart from the community by abusing the right to type things in and click the "Submit" button. This covers trolls and spammers. And to a lesser extent, the dangerously insane.

Unless the latter are hilarious.

As I do not own neither a PS3 nor a 360, I have nothing meaningful to add to the discussions thereof, so at best, I've been a rare "spectator" of Sony/Microsoft forums. To TMK's credit, I have yet to see him posting anything (negative or otherwise) within Nintendo boards. While I understand that my ignorance of his character forbids me from making any claims regarding him - he had enough sense to steer away from discussions of at least one console alien to him. I wish I could say the same about everyone else.

The Crotch's proposal for any documentation of the banning procedures is supported on this side of the screen completely. If anything, it might clear some confusion as to what you shouldn't do. A reminder that rules may actually be enforced every once in a while... is a good thing to have.

However, what others should not do if this request is granted, is to abuse this information. I'm all about questioning a moderator's decision if it seems scewed, unfair, or otherwise "unprofessional," and I feel that banning should be treated as "the last resort." However, this notion has an ability to backfire if cliques of immature, like-minded individuals will feel empowered to present "enough evidence" to get their particular "enemy" banned.

Do I feel that this would be a problem? No. Most people aren't here to bullshit about games all day. They are here for the Deals section.

[dallow]

Then ignore him TFN.
:applause: Good point.

EDIT - I mean are we going to debate every person who gets banned?

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3640786&postcount=172

Trakan says he has warned him before, too.
He also said not anytime in the recent past.

Sheeit, we've all been warned about crap in the past.

[The Crotch]

I don't get what was so hard to figure out about this banning. the guy derailed every freaking thread and turned them into flame wars. he was also batshit insane and claimed to be physically affected by the site and by teh console warz Is this directed at me in particular? I'm assuming it is, as you quoted me before you said this. I find this very curious, as the words you quoted have nothing to do with your response. I did not ask why he was banned, and except for Lieutenant Dan, I don't think anyone has. People have questioned whether or not the banning is reasonable, yes, but that's something for another thread, and again, has dick all to do with what you quoted.

It's annoying that a bunch of lurkers and people who don't frequent the same threads as him (and I) are complaining about his banning...Que? We've had a few (self-admitted) lurkers, but most of the people posting here are regulars.
if you see someone banned, go to the OTT and ask why they were banned.The OTT is a horrible way to go about it, due to the sheer volume of posts in it.

Better yet-- PM a mod. Most of them seem nice enough to give some kind of response.I have asked in the OTT, in the Gaming OTT (I think), in PMs, and in this thread itself why this thread's predecessor was deleted so early in its life and why this thread itself was locked. No response. To me, this indicates that your suggestion is overly optimistic.

EDIT: Thanks for tossing me under the bus with you and DMK. :-sIt was established long ago that you are merely a sock-puppet account of Chacrana. DO NOT DENY IT.

[Rocko]

The OTT is a horrible way to go about it, due to the sheer volume of posts in it.
Also, we didn't get an answer in the OTT until this thread was made and it was already answered by Casey here, AFAIK.

:applause: Good point.

EDIT - I mean are we going to debate every person who gets banned?

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3640814&postcount=174

[CrimGhost]

Mutiny!

[rodeojones903]

I wish we could get Cheapy to chime in and give us his opinion on this.


If TMK can get banned for fanboyism we are going to lose 70% of the regulars from the HD DVD vs Blu ray thread. The permanent ban just doesn't fell justifiable.

[benjamouth]

I see your point Rocko, although if he's been warned is a temp ban going to make that much difference?

How long would you temp ban him for?

Maybe I'd feel different if it was me, I don't like he idea of debating everytime someone gets banned though, or moaning if there is no discussion of it.

[daroga]

Mutiny!Hardly. Just wanting to make sure those in authority are doing things in a proper and orderly way. Expressing dissatisfaction in a leader's deed is not tantamount to revolution.
I see your point Rocko, although if he's been warned is a temp ban going to make that much difference?

How long would you temp ban him for?

Maybe I'd feel different if it was me, I don't like he idea of debating everytime someone gets banned though, or moaning if there is no discussion of it. The difference with this case is that he had actually been rather sedated for a week or so before it all went down like this, thus the banning seemed to have come out of no where. If it had occurred after a tirade, I'd have had fewer questions about it, but the perma-ban that instant would still seem to be excessive.

Give him a 5 day time out, make clear to him what actions should not be done on the boards, and if he falls into the rut again, THAT'S when the perma boot falls. Thus, there's no need for debate when the mods are following a fair and reasonable template in the case of a long-term member.

[dallow]

I see your point Rocko, although if he's been warned is a temp ban going to make that much difference?

How long would you temp ban him for?

Maybe I'd feel different if it was me, I don't like he idea of debating everytime someone gets banned though, or moaning if there is no discussion of it.Like I said, no one has cared about the past perm bans because just about all of them have been obviously justified.

This one isn't.
There's tons of fanboys on this site.

[PR Mega X]

My take on the situation: this thread (or it's intended purpose, rather) is a good idea. As it's been said, it can serve as a "what not to do" type of message, as well as let people know where their favorite users have gone to.

As for the topic of TMK -- I feel the perma-ban is premature. In this case, as well as most others, it should start as a temp-ban, and escalate from there as necessary. I won't even start on the absurd notion of banning someone on the basis of 'rampant fanboyism'...

[The Crotch]

I don't know about "rather sedated", as I don't follow him around. I - and others - had noticed a period of time when he seemed quite normal and sane. TRQ even went so far as to say he would win the "Most Improved Poster" award for 2007 - a category he had just made up, of course. One week later, he was worse than he'd ever been.Hardly. Just wanting to make sure those in authority are doing things in a proper and orderly way. Expressing dissatisfaction in a leader's deed is not tantamount to revolution.Remember, folks, this is Daroga. He doesn't go with that "revolution" stuff. This, dear friends, is a reformation!

[daroga]

Remember, folks, this is Daroga. He doesn't go with that "revolution" stuff. This, dear friends, is a reformation!I don't have time to write a single thesis, let alone 95 of them!

[rodeojones903]

Maybe I'd feel different if it was me, I don't like he idea of debating everytime someone gets banned though, or moaning if there is no discussion of it.

That doesn't happen though because every time before it has been warranted (that I have seen). If so many people, including ones that did not like TMK, feel he should not be banned then something is going on.

He really was an asset to the PS3 community by putting together the PSN gaming nights. I hate to bring this up as an example (because I like the guy), but we had a similar issue with LinkinPrime being demodded for his preferences (which I disagreed with), and it ended with Linkin staying a mod (like he should have). This situation is quite similar, but has ended with a permanent ban of a member.

[dallow]

I feel a Spartacus moment coming....

I'm TheManaKnight!

[RAMSTORIA]

I'm dallow


amidoinitrite?

[dallow]

You aren't, and I apologize for that silly post.

The important thing here is that honestly, TMK should have been given a temp ban.
That sorts most people out.

[Theduck]

Ban Rocko, for taking the internet too seriously. Then make a thread about banned users and comment on how he was banned for taking the internet too seriously.

[whoknows]

Someone needs to post a "the internet is serious business" pic.

This thread is very serious

[benjamouth]

Like I said, no one has cared about the past perm bans because just about all of them have been obviously justified.

This one isn't.
There's tons of fanboys on this site.

Well thats subjective, as was my post, and thats my point on the dangers of debating each ban, someone will always think the ban was unjustified, and someone will always disagree.

EDIT - And if we are debating bans I say bring back Gamestop Dave, he did way less than TMK.

[Rocko]

Ban Rocko, for taking the internet too seriously. Then make a thread about banned users and comment on how he was banned for taking the internet too seriously.

...Who are you, and why are you singling me out? Are you stalking me? We already have dallow.

[The Crotch]

Well thats subjective, as was my post, and thats my point on the dangers of debating each ban, someone will always think the ban was unjustified, and someone will always disagree.Regardless of whether or not they're correct, having people occasionally discuss whether or not a recent banning was correct is far better than the alternative.

[Thomas96]

You know what.. I PM'd Cheapy asked him to reinstate The Mana Knight, I spoke to him via PS3, he told me who banned him.. I'm at work right now.. so I'll say who it was when I get back. But TMK didn't get a warning, or anything, he just got banned. If they ban TMK, then they might as well ban me... I looked through almost 2-3 months worth of statements, not ONCE, was he disrespecful to anyone. I woudn't fight for anyone, but he's done a log for CAG (PS3 forums area) he was setting up online meetings, pretty much the CAG PS3 online community was pretty much being run by him. So its not like he's a regular user. Cheapy you said you'd look into it, so I'm being patient, but not only does TMK needs to be reinstated, he needs to be made a MOD, in the Sony area. I don't believe he'd abuse his Mod position like the sorry [insert curse words - I will later] mod that banned him in the first place.

[GuilewasNK]

I'm glad you pointed this out.

We will be addressing the issue of "rudeness and negativity on CAG" very soon. If you suspect yourself (anyone reading this post) to have been a part of this problem, do yourself a favor and start being nicer.

If this will truly be applied to EVERY CAG then this is a good step forward.

Again, I don't think anyone is attacking Casey. People just want accountability and the same guidelines applied to all members.

Good point neocisco.

I've been saying this for years. I understand that every CAG isn't seen in the same light whether it be to favoritism, friendship, or whatever, but I'm glad this topic appears to be taken more seriously now.

[whoknows]

Everyone already knows who banned him. Check page 2 I think or around there.

[The Crotch]

Ugh. This guy has me on ignore, so someone quote me just in case his curiousity doesn't get the better of him.You know what.. I PM'd Cheapy asked him to reinstate The Mana Knight, I spoke to him via PS3, he told me who banned him.. I'm at work right now.. so I'll say who it was when I get back. We already know who banned him.
But TMK didn't get a warning, or anything, he just got banned. If they ban TMK, then they might as well ban me...From what I've gathered, he did get a few warnings, but none recent. Someone's probably been paying closer attention to this than I.
I looked through almost 2-3 months worth of statements, not ONCE, was he disrespecful to anyone.Now here's where you go off the deep end. If you couldn't find any, you didn't look. Just go back a page or two in this very thread and you'll see one.
I woudn't fight for anyone, but he's done a log for CAG (PS3 forums area) he was setting up online meetings, pretty much the CAG PS3 online community was pretty much being run by him. So its not like he's a regular user.Not sure if it's important, but that last sentence makes no sense.
Cheapy you said you'd look into it, so I'm being patient, but not only does TMK needs to be reinstated, he needs to be made a MOD, in the Sony area. Bwahaha!
I don't believe he'd abuse his Mod position like the sorry [insert curse words - I will later] mod that banned him in the first place....

Man.

[Thomas96]

I talked with him a lot on AIM about how he handles things/his life/situation and his answers have always been ''I take pride in what I own, always have, always will''
I'll disagree with you there and say that nobody ever addressed him or was he a regular in the OTT. The guy would just sit there on his mornings reading through past OTTs and gather all of the information against Sony to make a giant wall of quotes w/ some kind of stupid answer to every one of them. You can't say EVERY time, because there were times where he couldn't keep his mouth shut about something and he'd let words fly as loose as most of us do.

A good example being, I mentioned my That Triple freezing on me once.. three days later he quotes my post w/ a response that was somewhere along the lines of ''Better than having a system that fucks up all the time cause their hardware is so shitty, right?'' Of course shit like that is not going to settle well with people, there are other people who take pride in what they own, too.

Trakan says he has warned him before, too.



even though that may be annoying.. its not disrespectful, its not deameaning, its edgy. Its not calling you stupid..., retarded, idiot, ridiculous... maybe a little rude, but come on..

oh yeah... Trakan that's the mod that TMK told me banned... Trakan should be stripped as a mod... he didn't warn TMK, he's a liar...

[Thomas96]

Ugh. This guy has me on ignore, so someone quote me just in case his curiousity doesn't get the better of him.We already know who banned him.
From what I've gathered, he did get a few warnings, but none recent. Someone's probably been paying closer attention to this than I.
Now here's where you go off the deep end. If you couldn't find any, you didn't look. Just go back a page or two in this very thread and you'll see one.
Not sure if it's important, but that last sentence makes no sense.
Bwahaha!
...

Man.

I was saying he did a lot [log] for cag (ps3 forums) in terms of setting up things for the PS3 CAG community I went through several pages... you look through his quotes and show us what he said was rude, most people on CAG get so upset if you not going with the crowd.... no one got banned in the Will PSP outsell the DS? Thread I made a long time ago... people was talking all types of crap, but the mods, issued no warnings, no bannings, no nothing. TMK told he himself, he didn't get any warnings, Trakan just tried to make it seem like he gave him warnings...

[whoknows]

TMK needs to be reinstated, he needs to be made a MOD, in the Sony area. I don't believe he'd abuse his Mod position like the sorry [insert curse words - I will later] mod that banned him in the first place.
He would make a decent forum guide for the Sony boards, and as for Casey I have nothing against him, he might be the mod I like the most. However, I do think there is a mod that does abuse his powers, but it definitely isn't Casey.

[zewone]

Dumbass, Trakan isn't the one who banned him.

[CaseyRyback]

even though that may be annoying.. its not disrespectful, its not deameaning, its edgy. Its not calling you stupid..., retarded, idiot, ridiculous... maybe a little rude, but come on..

oh yeah... Trakan that's the mod that TMK told me banned... Trakan should be stripped as a mod... he didn't warn TMK, he's a liar...

You should really learn to read.

[SteveMcQ]

I never realized TMK would be the catalyst for such a serious conversation of the CAG community dynamics.

[dallow]

I never realized TMK would be the catalyst for such a serious conversation of the CAG community dynamics.That should tell us all something.

[tiredfornow]

even though that may be annoying.. its not disrespectful, its not deameaning, its edgy. Its not calling you stupid..., retarded, idiot, ridiculous... maybe a little rude, but come on..

oh yeah... Trakan that's the mod that TMK told me banned... Trakan should be stripped as a mod... he didn't warn TMK, he's a liar...
Are you retarded?

Did you not read the thread before posting? Trakan didn't ban him, Casey did. He admitted it and you're trying to go by word of the dumbass in question?

Exit the thread, plz.

[whoknows]

Are you retarded?

Did you not read the thread before posting? Trakan didn't ban him, Casey did. He admitted it and you're trying to go by word of the dumbass in question?

Exit the thread, plz.
Actually I got the same message from Mana and he definitely said that Casey was the one who did it...so...

[tiredfornow]

Actually I got the same message from Mana and he definitely said that Casey was the one who did it...so...
He sent me a XBL message too, saying he got banned for no reason.

Then he AIMed me for a good 20 minutes explaining his side of the story which was ''I never did anything wrong, I'ma good boy, :baby:,:baby:,:baby:''

[whoknows]

He may not be a very good poster, but there are worse.

Still, I'm surprised so many people care and the thread is at 11 pages :lol:

[zewone]

That should tell us all something.
Yeah, there's a lot of people sticking their nose in something they nothing about.

[evilmax17]

I never realized TMK would be the catalyst for such a serious conversation of the CAG community dynamics. That should tell us all something. Exactly. The community has been yearning for change for the past two years, and things have finally come to a head. There have been suggestions, concerns, and complaints which have gone unheeded for quite some time.

Promises of CAG 2.0 have allayed accusations of stagnation when concerning the front page, but it should apply to all parts of the community. Things aren't perfect in CAGland.

CAG 2.0 should go beyond the homepage. Let's look at ALL aspects of CAG, identify the problems, and see what we can improve.

2008 should be a rebirth of what made so great to begin with. Will it happen? I don't know, but I do know that we have a lot of members that care enough to try and help. This thread proves that.

[dallow]

Yeah, there's a lot of people sticking their nose in something they nothing about.Mmmm, the ironing. nom nom nom nom

[zewone]

Exactly. The community has been yearning for change for the past two years, and things have finally come to a head. There have been suggestions, concerns, and complaints which have gone unheeded for quite some time.

Promises of CAG 2.0 have allayed accusations of stagnation when concerning the front page, but it should apply to all parts of the community. Things aren't perfect in CAGland.

CAG 2.0 should go beyond the homepage. Let's look at ALL aspects of CAG, identify the problems, and see what we can improve.

2008 should be a rebirth of what made so great to begin with. Will it happen? I don't know, but I do know that we have a lot of members that care enough to try and help. This thread proves that.
I think you're looking too deep.

It's just one stupid user banned, it's not the end of the website. Better off without him anyways.

Mmmm, the ironing. nom nom nom nom
If you only knew.

[dallow]

Nom nom nom nom.

[evilmax17]

He sent me a XBL message too, saying he got banned for no reason.

Then he AIMed me for a good 20 minutes explaining his side of the story which was ''I never did anything wrong, I'ma good boy, :baby:,:baby:,:baby:''
You know, attacking other users goes against the TOS. For somebody who is in favor of the banning, I find it ironic that you're so quick to break the TOS.

[zewone]

Neo Mana Knight: Hey, just wanted to make a quick mention, all they said was "tired of fanboyism" and said bye, when I've been doing crap for over a year and not a single mod/admin complained or warned me, so I felt they didn't care, and it has been a few days since I last argued big time.

Neo Mana Knight: Oh well

He knew what he was doing.

[Trakan]

even though that may be annoying.. its not disrespectful, its not deameaning, its edgy. Its not calling you stupid..., retarded, idiot, ridiculous... maybe a little rude, but come on..

oh yeah... Trakan that's the mod that TMK told me banned... Trakan should be stripped as a mod... he didn't warn TMK, he's a liar...

First off, get your facts straight before talkin' shit about me. Read the fuckin' second page of this thread where Casey tells everyone he's the one who banned him. Read the last 18 replies where everyone is not only saying they know who banned him, but they're telling you who banned him. Second of all, if TMK really did say that I banned him, we're even better off without him than I thought. If he's making even more shit up after he's not even a part of the site anymore, the kid's got a whole nother set of problems. And lastly, there's no chance in hell that TMK would ever get nominations to be a forum guide from us mods. Your credibility is fuckin' zero what with you being the second biggest Sony fanboy right behind TMK.

P.S. If we were banning people for being fanboys, you'd be gone.

[dallow]

Trade Thomas96 for TMK. ;)

[zewone]

First off, get your facts straight before talkin' shit about me. Read the fuckin' second page of this thread where Casey tells everyone he's the one who banned him. Read the last 18 replies where everyone is not only saying they know who banned him, but they're telling you who banned him. Second of all, if TMK really did say that I banned him, we're even better off without him than I thought. If he's making even more shit up after he's not even a part of the site anymore, the kid's got a whole nother set of problems. And lastly, there's no chance in hell that TMK would ever get nominations to be a forum guide from us mods. Your credibility is fuckin' zero what with you being the second biggest Sony fanboy right behind TMK.

P.S. If we were banning people for being fanboys, you'd be gone.
Big ups.

Trade Thomas96 for TMK. ;)
I'd like a 2 for 1 deal myself.

[evilmax17]

First off, get your facts straight before talkin' shit about me. Read the fuckin' second page of this thread where Casey tells everyone he's the one who banned him. Read the last 18 replies where everyone is not only saying they know who banned him, but they're telling you who banned him. Second of all, if TMK really did say that I banned him, we're even better off without him than I thought. If he's making even more shit up after he's not even a part of the site anymore, the kid's got a whole nother set of problems. And lastly, there's no chance in hell that TMK would ever get nominations to be a forum guide from us mods. Your credibility is fuckin' zero what with you being the second biggest Sony fanboy right behind TMK.

P.S. If we were banning people for being fanboys, you'd be gone.
This is the most important thing I need from all Moderators:
I need you to not insult the userbase, even when they deserve it.
I simply refuse to allow it.


Even a store clerk who deals with idiots all day long (usually) does not get all up in the customers face as it reflects badly upon the very place they are supposed to be supporting.

You do sacrifice some freedoms by becoming a Moderator here, which is, I imagine, why some have turned down the position in the past. I would certainly understand if a Moderator felt that they could no longer have fun on CAG with what amounts to a kind of message board castration. .

[GuilewasNK]

Originally Posted by CheapyD
This is the most important thing I need from all Moderators:
I need you to not insult the userbase, even when they deserve it.
I simply refuse to allow it.


Even a store clerk who deals with idiots all day long (usually) does not get all up in the customers face as it reflects badly upon the very place they are supposed to be supporting.

You do sacrifice some freedoms by becoming a Moderator here, which is, I imagine, why some have turned down the position in the past. I would certainly understand if a Moderator felt that they could no longer have fun on CAG with what amounts to a kind of message board castration.
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Thanks for posting that evilmax. Also, thanks to Cheapy for saying that. I just don't understand why people don't understand customer service is something you can't throw out the window even when dealing with a jackass. There is just no need for it.

[InuFaye]

I come back and this thread has exploded.
I think we might have a cag coup de grace.
Wait
Is that Possible?

[SteveMcQ]

I come back and this thread has exploded.
I think we might have a cag coup de grace.
Wait
Is that Possible?Coup de grace...I hope not.

Coup d'état, perhaps. Will there be looting? Cheapy better lock his doors. Someone's sure to come for his iMac.

[LinkinPrime]

This thread seems to have taken a turn for the worse. If TMK was so important and useful to this community, why is it that we only have a miniscule unique userbase campaigning to save him vs the thousands of other users who are either happy he's gone or don't even miss him?

I understand that some of you guys were his friends, but you seem to be going off topic. He was not banned for being a fanboy, that's ridiculous! He was banned because he broke the TOS and was warned multiple times. He provokes other users and when somoene provokes him he blows up and turns the thread about him. If you guys are serious about this issue, first you need to chill out, do your research and respond in a intellegent manner.

[The Crotch]

This thread seems to have taken a turn for the worse. If TMK was so important and useful to this community, why is it that we only have a miniscule unique userbase campaigning to save him vs the thousands of other users who are either happy he's gone or don't even miss him?First of all, that misses the point by a mile. This is not about how important we consider TMK to be. Second, I'd like to point out that this "miniscule unique userbase" is a pretty good chunk of CAG's major posters. Besides that, this forum is usually a graveyard - I'm happy this thing got over two pages.

I understand that some of you guys were his friends,I wasn't.
but you seem to be going off topic.Agreed, but I haven't seen any Mods/Cheapy respond to my request in a while, so hey, whatever...
He was not banned for being a fanboy, that's ridiculous! He was banned because he broke the TOS and was warned multiple times. He provokes other users and when somoene provokes him he blows up and turns the thread about him. If you guys are serious about this issue, first you need to chill out, do your research and respond in a intellegent manner.I'm chilled out. We're chilled out. Most everyone in here is chilled out. A couple of people - Thomas, Zewone, whatever - are just pot-stirring.

EDIT: And there have been plenty of people responding "in an intelligent manner", thank you very much. Just look at Evilmax or Daroga.

[mykevermin]

thousands of other users who are either happy he's gone or don't even miss him?

Thousands? I don't give a set of tits if he's here or not, but please hold the hyperbole when you're trying to be serious.

He was not banned for being a fanboy, that's ridiculous! He was banned because he broke the TOS and was warned multiple times. He provokes other users and when somoene provokes him he blows up and turns the thread about him.

We all know the ardent fanboys get promoted to moderator. j/k

To be fair, there's a two part process involving this, and there's no denying that he was often provoked merely because he would go off the deep end. I'm not defending the mutant at all, but it's only fair to look at those people who ridiculed the bastard day in and day out as well, and not treat them as innocent bystanders.

If you guys are serious about this issue, first you need to chill out, do your research and respond in a intellegent manner.

:lol:

[LinkinPrime]

Exactly the type of thing I'm talking about. I wasn't referring to anyone specific, specially you The Crotch. We both know some users here are going overboard. No need to respond if you know its not directed at you.

[gunm]

Thanks for posting that, evilmax. I'm not sure that was meant for public view, but it does reinforce the spirit and intentions of Cheapy's site.

I have nothing but praise for the work of the mods. It's a thankless, mundane job done by real people with real feelings and overall good intentions. I think there are some legitimate concerns about moderating and moderator actions towards the user base being brought up in this thread, but I don't question the actions of the mod in this particular case. If TMK was perma-banned so be it, end-of-story.

However, I think while some CAGs may disagree with banning TMK in particular, perhaps the real fear overall is that there was some unfairness involved that could inevitably resurface to someone else.

This thread may be getting to the point that Cheapy himself may have to step in, if only to put those fears to rest.

[zewone]

<3 me some pot.

[Stoneage]

Coup de grace...I hope not.

Coup d'état, perhaps. Will there be looting? Cheapy better lock his doors. Someone's sure to come for his iMac.
Yeah. And the 25 floors under his apartment? Ceiling to floor horded glitch games from Circuit City. That's the legend, anyway.

[The Crotch]

Exactly the type of thing I'm talking about. I wasn't referring to anyone specific, specially you The Crotch. We both know some users here are going overboard. No need to respond if you know its not directed at you.I know, but you'll have to forgive me for being a little paranoid with regards to this thread. I just figured I'd catch that one while it was still fresh.

[GuilewasNK]

He was banned because he broke the TOS and was warned multiple times. He provokes other users and when somoene provokes him he blows up and turns the thread about him. If you guys are serious about this issue, first you need to chill out, do your research and respond in a intellegent manner.

Therein lies the reason for the level of response in this thread.

I have posted on numerous occasions excerpts from the TOS on this site when certain users break it constantly, and nothing is done. It is the uneven application of this that concerns most of us CAGs that have posted here. I'm not going to name names because we all know who they are. You guys have a difficult job, there is no denying that, but this situation has grown to what it is now from the lack of response when these concerns have been voiced in the past. There are several threads in this Feedback forum that tried to nip this in the bud before it got to this. They had responses from the usual suspects saying nothing should be done, we don't need to know this, or we don't know the reasons behind that...

All we want is CAG to be the best in can possibly be. As the customers of CAG that really isn't an unreasonable request.

[Halo05]

Aw, too bad about TMK. Sort of. Can I have his name?

[zewone]

All we want is CAG to be the best in can possibly be. As the customers of CAG that really isn't an unreasonable request.
That's subjective though.

Your idea of best, differs from mine, just as mine differs from The Crotch's.

There is no one way to make everyone happy, there is just things we have to all deal with.

[LinkinPrime]

Therein lies the reason for the level of response in this thread.

I have posted on numerous occasions excerpts from the TOS on this site when certain users break it constantly, and nothing is done. It is the uneven application of this that concerns most of us CAGs that have posted here. I'm not going to name names because we all know who they are. You guys have a difficult job, there is no denying that, but this situation has grown to what it is now from the lack of response when these concerns have been voiced in the past. There are several threads in this Feedback forum that tried to nip this in the bud before it got to this. They had responses from the usual suspects saying nothing should be done, we don't need to know this, or we don't know the reasons behind that...

All we want is CAG to be the best in can possibly be. As the customers of CAG that really isn't an unreasonable request.
Its not that its uneven, its that this hasn't been done in the past and its way overdue. Believe me we are in the process of redefining the rules. This community has grown extensively and with it unfortunately, we end up getting more trolls, spam,...etc. Its a lot for us mods to handle without proper guidelines in place. This will change in the near future.

TMK stuck out like a sore thumb as do others we are looking at, and as DaPhatty mentioned, we will be doing our best to keep this community going like it was before, trolling and insults have gotten way out of hand and we want to do our best to get it straightened out. Also as DaPhatty mentioned, just as you guys can report posts for spam and incorrect forum posting, you can report users, please do so. We are human just like the rest of you and while we try to read as many threads as we can to clean them up, we do miss a lot, this is where you guys come in. If you see someone breaking the TOS, report them please.

[mykevermin]

I have posted on numerous occasions excerpts from the TOS on this site when certain users break it constantly, and nothing is done. It is the uneven application of this that concerns most of us CAGs that have posted here.

See any given OTT.

[Thomas96]

First off, get your facts straight before talkin' shit about me. Read the fuckin' second page of this thread where Casey tells everyone he's the one who banned him. Read the last 18 replies where everyone is not only saying they know who banned him, but they're telling you who banned him. Second of all, if TMK really did say that I banned him, we're even better off without him than I thought. If he's making even more shit up after he's not even a part of the site anymore, the kid's got a whole nother set of problems. And lastly, there's no chance in hell that TMK would ever get nominations to be a forum guide from us mods. Your credibility is fuckin' zero what with you being the second biggest Sony fanboy right behind TMK.

P.S. If we were banning people for being fanboys, you'd be gone.



I didn't read what you wrote, cause I don't care... just unban TMK and I'll go about my business.

[Liquid 2]

I think we can all agree that even a temp ban would not have discouraged TMK from doing his thing.


I didn't read what you wrote, cause I don't care... just unban TMK and I'll go about my business.
Damn, you're cool.

If you only knew.Heh.

[Thomas96]

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that's the point... Mods are supposed to govern themselves a little better than the avg user. But trakan acting like he's a regular fanboy user, talking trash against the Sony fanboy. that's why I ignored what he was saying, my main point is that I feel someone who was a contributor to CAG got banned... most likely wrongfully, and I'm just advocating for him. that's all... well at least zewone was amused by trakan... good boy.

[Moxio]

See any given OTT.

Yeah yeah yeah.

[zewone]

blah blah blah im ignorant blah blah ballz
Cool.

[The Crotch]

God dammit, can't you guys take this shit up in the OTT or something?

[Rocko]

I think we can all agree that even a temp ban would not have discouraged TMK from doing his thing.

Obviously not.

[Thomas96]

If TMK advocated for 360, or Nintendo, he'd be here right now.

[zewone]

But trakan acting like he's a regular fanboy user, talking trash against the Sony fanboy. that's why I ignored what he was saying
How would you know if you apparently didn't read his post?