Reggie says, voice chatting on the Wii maybe, and no online VC

[Ikohn4ever]

Reggie:

We do not anticipate making online gameplay for Virtual Console games. In terms of voice chat... certainly our system has the capability for online voice chat, what it comes down to is finalizing the peripheral... I would not be surprised to see that capability come to this system.




This really needs to be ready for Brawl, I dont feel like using my 360 to talk to people.

[bmulligan]

It's that hard to copy the DS headset and make it wireless? Sounds like some lazy japanese engineers to me.

[WrestleCrap'sRD]

No online Pro Wrestling? BOOOOO!!!

RD

[drfunk85]

It wont be available for Brawl. If they are saying it is a possibility, but not ready, it won't be ready by Feb.

Online VC would be nice, but not necesary. I'm fine with keeping it as exact copies of classic games. Online Wii Ware though, is a must. And allow some classic games to be redone and made online and put on Wii Ware.

[magiic]

I think they should add online to VC games. I want multiplayer on Mario Kart 64

[Tsukento]

Dammit, Nintendo. If you're gonna charge 800 Wii Points in America for Genesis games (as opposed to Japan paying 600 for Mega Drive), then give us some online play with some of these games.

I opted not to buy Golden Axe and Streets of Rage 2 on the VC because they were cheaper on Xbox Live Arcade and offered me at least online co-op and online versus.

Hell, who the hell in this day and age would wanna play 2D fighting games without online play? Not all of us have buddies that can come over to play. :(

[The Crotch]

I predicted in a thread a while back voice chat for next Christmas. Guess that long shot got marginally less long.

No online VC is weak, though. Thank god for emulators.

[TimPV3]

Sucks having no online for VC titles, maybe on the wII, or Twii.

[aTOH]

When he says anticipate, that's means there's still a possibility, right? I always wanted to have an online NBA Jam tourament or somethin.

[eswat]

Could voicechat on the Wii be potentialy worse than Xbox LIVE?

"My Mario can pwn your Sonic, noob"
"Shut the fuck up you gay *where the heck did the NINJA image go*"

[The Crotch]

What Protoss is that, Elusive?

[eswat]

What Protoss is that, Elusive? Zealot.
http://sonsofthestorm.com/viewer.php?artist=raneman&cat=starcraft&art=5

[The Crotch]

Just a Zealot? Aw. I was hoping Artanis got a facelift.

Let's pretend he's the Zealot surrounded by Zerg there.

[eswat]

Well, Artanis will probably have a major facelift. Look at Zeratul. He looks like a bum in StarCraft II :P

[Chronotrigga]

*Points to Crotch's Sig* Does the Zealot really say All for Empire? I thought it sounds more like "My Life For Hire"

[Zen Davis]

I'm sure Wii Ware will have online.

[eswat]

*Points to Crotch's Sig* Does the Zealot really say All for Empire? I thought it sounds more like "My Life For Hire"
It's actually "My life for Aiur". I usually like to spin it as "My wife for hire" though ;P

[Strell]

Artanis looks like he's still in the Protoss equivalent to an insect's pupa stage. He still got a bit of maturation to go through. Needs all those little ridges and crap all the other Protoss have on their faces. I half expected him to take off in the middle of a battle to "cruise for chicks" or something.

In regards to topic - Brawl will not have voice chat. I guarantee it. I am willing to make a bet on that.

[The Crotch]

1: Nice derail, folks! High five!
2: I preferred the old DT/Zeratul. They're supposed to be stealthy assassins, not the fucking Persians from 300.
3: Zealots have a lot of great quotes. "My life for Aiur!" is their most famous - Aiur being their home planet. Repeatedly clicking on the same unit in SC will yield hidden lines, such as "All for the empire". A lot of them are jokes. Artanis will talk about SC being better than Warcraft. Duran will reference the band after which he was named.

EDIT:

4: With regards to Artanis - Blizzard fucked up on him. They forgot the hair-things on the back of his head that all non-Dark Templar have. If he still had those, he'd look a little bit more... mature.

[yukine]

Voice chat is a must, it's ridiculous that the kiddies playing Pokemon on the DS are able to chat with each other but we can't on the Wii. Being able to talk to each other would of made Mario Strikers a lot funner.

[lilboo]

I can understand lack of online play. Seriously.
However, are online leader boards considered online play? Any game that's high score crazy (Sin & Punishment, please) would be ideal.

I can't even imagine the use of online leader boards being all that difficult to add. Really!
BUT, whatever.

[Chronotrigga]

Voice Chat + MoH:Heroes 2 = Fucking Awesome.

[Mr. Roper]

No online vc is pure $$$$$$ry. At least make some 1st party titles online like the first mariokart you assholes.

[blackbird3216]

It wont be available for Brawl. If they are saying it is a possibility, but not ready, it won't be ready by Feb.

Online VC would be nice, but not necesary. I'm fine with keeping it as exact copies of classic games. Online Wii Ware though, is a must. And allow some classic games to be redone and made online and put on Wii Ware. who said they won't delay brawl?

Oh, and why would they change somethng in a VC game when they voted to keep it the same as the original. Even the Zelda Link to the past starting screen that could cause seizures was not changed.

[trq]

who said they won't delay brawl?

Oh, and why would they change somethng in a VC game when they voted to keep it the same as the original. Even the Zelda Link to the past starting screen that could cause seizures was not changed.

It's also a matter of output. Arguably, it's HARDER to add online functionality to old code than it is to pretty much drop it into the VC, though as lilboo said, online leaderboards shouldn't take much. So yes, most LIVE arcade games have online functionality ... but there's also a reason why LIVE has about 1/4 the amount of games the VC does, in spite of being around twice as long. It's valid to prefer one approach to the other ... but you shouldn't expect it both ways.

[yukine]

The hell? Why was one of my posts deleted from this thread?

[lilboo]

The hell? Why was one of my posts deleted from this thread?

Funny you say that, I've been noticing a few posts of mine in different threads that seem to.. not be there anymore :-k

[WiiGame]

i hope theris voice chat coming to us... for brawl and mario kart... *plz!!*

if it's not ready for brawl launch at least have it availible via a system update, patch or something

[pittpizza]

How can you guys be so sure there will be no voice chat with brawl? Is it just the fact that there are no rumors or info about it or do you have some definitive info that proves there will be no voice communcation with brawl?

THey might as well not have even made it online multiplayer if there is no chat. Seriously, the only thing worse than not being able to kick smash ass online is being able to kick ass online but not be able to talk smack about it.

[AmigoOne]

They seem to be intent on adding everything they can onto Brawl, I would not be surprised if a delay were to occur for voice. I doubt it, but somehow I wont be surprised.
Let the inclusion of Sonic in Brawl serve as an example. There were doubters everywhere. Nintendo said that Sonic wasn't in the plans for Brawl, Nintendo also were vague on the issue of online.
The fact is, anything goes. We've been proven wrong before.

[Strell]

They seem to be intent on adding everything they can onto Brawl, I would not be surprised if a delay were to occur for voice. I doubt it, but somehow I wont be surprised.
Let the inclusion of Sonic in Brawl serve as an example. There were doubters everywhere. Nintendo said that Sonic wasn't in the plans for Brawl, Nintendo also were vague on the issue of online.
The fact is, anything goes. We've been proven wrong before.

Sonic and voice chat really aren't comparable. Obviously both represent "things in Brawl," but from a programming standpoint, one focuses on adding a character versus having to code in a module to stream voice data over the internet in such a way that lag is kept to a minimum.

It's hard enough to get fighting games working online, since they require split second registering of moves, so anything that exacerbates the gameplay is really something to be reckoned with.

I still maintain voice chat will not happen for Brawl. If there's a game that necessitates and promotes it, it's definitely Brawl, but I still don't see it happening.

[soonersfan60]

You could chat before or after matches, just not during so that should fix the lag issue...

[yukine]

That'd be better than nothing...

[pittpizza]

It would be better than nothing, but that isn't saying much.

I mean c'mon N, get your shit together. You can do it with the DS!? M has been doing it for years! The technology is there.

If its worrying about it's kid and parent freindly image, where N's gamers are isolated and free from naughty racist perveted voice chat this is a different issue and not one that can be "fixed" other than a shift in corporate policy. I hope this is not the reason but can not imagine that tech. obstacles is the reason when so much success has been had with it on other consoles.

[Strell]

I like how - when it comes to anything online - everyone compares Nintendo to Sony and Microsoft.

You can't make a poorer attempt at logic than that.

[dmaul1114]

Yeah, Nintendo really needs to get it into gear with their online gaming.

If they can't offer something on par with the competition, it's hard for me to really get interested and want to devote any of my online gaming time to something on their system rather than just enjoying X-box live.

I'd really like to play Smash Bros online, and Mario Kart as well (if it's not tilt only controls), so hopefully they'll get at least some stuff ironed out with friend codes/lists, voice chat etc. before then.

Nintendo is a different company, so they don't have to do things exactly like Sony or MS, but they need to have an online system that at least offers a similar experience in terms of features and ease of use for me to really bother much with it.

[lilboo]

I really don't see what the big deal with friend codes are.
Now don't get me wrong, when I started getting more WiFi DS games..I thought this was really retarded. I still do! But isn't anyone else used to it by now? Is it REALLY that big of a deal?

I can understand the want to just use the Wii system code as just ONE code (basically that would be your username in terms of comparing it to XBL and PSN, if you HAVE to compare it). But, it's not. Online gaming isn't that important to Nintendo, so I doubt they are going to spend money on something that's not a big issue for them. It's not like the Wii isn't selling because of LACK of online.

But there are some online games, and there are SOME coming out. I don't think we will end up with a ton of online games..but is it really THAT important? As long as some of their bigger titles (Like SMASH BROS and MARIO KART) feature it, then IMO that's all good.

Games like Trauma Center New Blood & Ghost Squad supporting online leaderboards is still SOMETHING.

[pittpizza]

I like how - when it comes to anything online - everyone compares Nintendo to Sony and Microsoft.

You can't make a poorer attempt at logic than that.

Why is that? Becasue Nintendo sucks at it and the others don't? Or is it because N is not "trying" and others are. In other threads you argued that N was competing but in this you say it is not...hmmm...do I sense some inconsistency...Yeah, yeah I do. Seems like you take up different positions and views on things to support whatever point you're trying to make, and changing positions to suit your fancy really takes away from your credibility. Way to impeach yourself there friendo.:applause:

Try this on for a worse comparison: Strell compared to things that are not douchebags.

Regarding poorer attempts at logic, see about 99% of your posts.

EDIT: Sorry to be so combative, not trying to start another flamewar I'm just in a frisky mood.;)

[dmaul1114]

I really don't see what the big deal with friend codes are.
Now don't get me wrong, when I started getting more WiFi DS games..I thought this was really retarded. I still do! But isn't anyone else used to it by now? Is it REALLY that big of a deal?

I can understand the want to just use the Wii system code as just ONE code (basically that would be your username in terms of comparing it to XBL and PSN, if you HAVE to compare it). But, it's not. Online gaming isn't that important to Nintendo, so I doubt they are going to spend money on something that's not a big issue for them. It's not like the Wii isn't selling because of LACK of online.

But there are some online games, and there are SOME coming out. I don't think we will end up with a ton of online games..but is it really THAT important? As long as some of their bigger titles (Like SMASH BROS and MARIO KART) feature it, then IMO that's all good.

Games like Trauma Center New Blood & Ghost Squad supporting online leaderboards is still SOMETHING.


It's not so much the codes that bother me, as it is things like not having an integrated friends list, not being able to see who on said list on line and what they're playing, not being able to send friend invites or game invites. Having to type in codes, rather than names (though many gamer tags are no easier to remember) is just the final straw that makes the current system worthless to me.

I seldom enter gamertags, usually just ask people to send me a friend invite, or send them to people after playing with them if it was a good game etc. Can't do that on the Wii's crappy system, and they need to take some steps to remedy it for me to bother with Wii online gaming.

[Strell]

It's very simple.

Nintendo doesn't give a shit about what Sony and MS do in the online world.

So acting like "SONY AND MS DID IT!" is kind of like saying THE RUSSIANS DID IT in terms of comparison.

Also, you know, eat shit and have pinecones shoved up your ass and all that.

I'm sure you'll make an argument worthy of second graders in your defense soon.

[crystalklear64]

Wii..... DS... Nintendo vs. Nintendo is what I see.

[pittpizza]

Pointing to MS and Sony is perfectly fine to illustrate the technological feasability of it, especially when one is concerned that the real reason N has not done it yet may be because they prefer to have a more sheltered environment for their user base; one without all the racism, maturity (drugs sex etc) and immaturity associated with online gaming communities.

Don't go and get your panties in a bunch everytime someone compares the Wii to the PS3 and 360. Comparisons are fine its just the inability to rationally see the pros and cons of each (fanboyism) that pisses me off.

Anyway, I do think there is a good point to be made that N has not made online gaming one of its priorities, so give it time to come along. Perhaps voice chat capability may come some time after Smash is released.

[Strell]

Ok, I'm not saying anything about feasibility. That's clearly being demonstrated quite well by both MS and Sony, one doing it for free and the other charging membership costs.

And further, I'm not saying I'm ok with Nintendo's outright refusal to copy their competitors.

I'm stating a simple fact, and you can throw words around about "inability to rationally see Nintendo is at fault" and other such nonsense because you currently lack reading comprehension skills.

The point I'm making is clear - Nintendo, from their own internal perspective, doesn't give a shit about what MS and Sony are doing. The Wii and the DS are perfect examples of that - side stepping the power race alone is a big enough departure. They flat out don't care, and they also don't want to spend the hard cash to do it.

From our perspective as gamers, that doesn't make sense and makes them look weak in the face of an increasingly cut-throat industry, where developers are becoming more choosy on where they spend their developer budgets in deciding who gets what game and just how good the game is.

I'm saying what we say and think as gamers - no matter how well reasoned and logical - gets through the hell out the window when Nintendo looks at it. Nintendo doesn't want to charge for online, but they don't want to spend the cash to build their own infrastructure. At some point, we realize the lunacy of saying those two things, when one would resolve the other.

Too many people on message boards think that just because they can reason out well-laid-out claims with good conclusions ans arguments that they might affect the situation.

In the end, it boils down simply to Nintendo not giving a shit. Even if we took all the big name execs and explained completely all of the advantages of having a robust online system - without Friend Codes, with universal names, with voice chat, etc etc - they don't give a shit.

And at that point, there's absolutely no reason to compare Nintendo to anyone else. They'd just as soon shit on your shoe than listen to whatever it is you have to say.

[zewone]

Ok, I'm not saying anything about feasibility. That's clearly being demonstrated quite well by both MS and Sony, one doing it for free and the other charging membership costs.

And further, I'm not saying I'm ok with Nintendo's outright refusal to copy their competitors.

I'm stating a simple fact, and you can throw words around about "inability to rationally see Nintendo is at fault" and other such nonsense because you currently lack reading comprehension skills.

The point I'm making is clear - Nintendo, from their own internal perspective, doesn't give a shit about what MS and Sony are doing. The Wii and the DS are perfect examples of that - side stepping the power race alone is a big enough departure. They flat out don't care, and they also don't want to spend the hard cash to do it.

From our perspective as gamers, that doesn't make sense and makes them look weak in the face of an increasingly cut-throat industry, where developers are becoming more choosy on where they spend their developer budgets in deciding who gets what game and just how good the game is.

I'm saying what we say and think as gamers - no matter how well reasoned and logical - gets through the hell out the window when Nintendo looks at it. Nintendo doesn't want to charge for online, but they don't want to spend the cash to build their own infrastructure. At some point, we realize the lunacy of saying those two things, when one would resolve the other.

Too many people on message boards think that just because they can reason out well-laid-out claims with good conclusions ans arguments that they might affect the situation.

In the end, it boils down simply to Nintendo not giving a shit. Even if we took all the big name execs and explained completely all of the advantages of having a robust online system - without Friend Codes, with universal names, with voice chat, etc etc - they don't give a shit.

And at that point, there's absolutely no reason to compare Nintendo to anyone else. They'd just as soon shit on your shoe than listen to whatever it is you have to say.

What's the fun in that?

Everything we type here on this message board is just our opinions or theories. Of course nothing we type is going to affect the video game industry.

If we went with your "who gives a shit" mentality (which you seem to only have brought up in this thread for some reason), there would be nothing to discuss.

[pittpizza]

Strell you paint a pretty bleak and apathetic picture of Nintendo, and I don't think Nintendo is either.

I'm also curious about Zewone's point: Do you think that because talking about things in message boards doesn't change things they're not worth talking about? I ask because it sounds like that's what you're saying.

[dmaul1114]

I agree Nintendo probably won't change. This just don't give much of a shit about online gaming, and seem to be giving less of a shit about traditional gaming in general.

That's fine for me as Sony and MS have those things covered. Nintendo used to be my main gaming platform, but now it's extremely secondary and unless something changes I doubt I'll even give the Wii's succesor a look.

Not that they care, as they are raking in tons of $$$ and back on top for the first time in over a decade by doing things differently.

And as the others have said, I'm just stating my opinion. I don't expect it to change anything, nor to I care to change anything. Again, Sony and MS have my needs covered. If Nintendo wants to keep going off in their own direction, that's fine. I just won't buy their products in the future and will spend my gaming time and dollars on Sony and MS's products. No skin off anyone's nose.

But it's a discussion forum for gaming, and I love gaming and love discussing things so I'll always give my two cents just for the hell of it.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Man, did you ever buy the wrong system.

[Chris in Cali]

I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that the Wii will never have proper online functionality.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I'm not so sure that robust online functionality can even exist by itself, without these alternate revenue streams and the system design changes that need to happen in order to facilitate this.

While Sony's solution is free, they need an infrastructure in place to sell you media and to also charge you for DLC, which the system is geared for in that media playback, particularly HD playback, requires a certain amount of power and storage space.

So the online infrastructure is being used for more than one thing, and in several additional ways that can generate revenue.

The Wii's hardware clearly was not designed around even natively supporting their VC system very well. Having the infrastructure for a robust online system by itself may not be possible.

With that said, I like the dichotomy of having 2 online systems with robust online functionality, and one that might as well have none.

[Strell]

What's the fun in that?

Everything we type here on this message board is just our opinions or theories. Of course nothing we type is going to affect the video game industry.

If we went with your "who gives a shit" mentality (which you seem to only have brought up in this thread for some reason), there would be nothing to discuss.

I never, ever said that we shouldn't discuss it. I'm saying that all the ranting and raving I see where Nintendo's online stuff is compared to Sony/MS's respective platforms is one of the worst arguments to make, and is pretty much a step above "Gran Turismo should be on the 360" in terms of logical fallacy.

I'm also not saying "who gives a shit," since that implies that I think no one else should.

I'm saying quite simply that comparing - on this particular item - accomplishes next to nothing in terms of "I'M A GAMER AND NEVER SATISFIED WITH ANYTHING, WAH WAH" purely because Nintendo's attitude is so far removed from gaming culture when it comes to online capability. People - gamers - are so quick to dismiss the things that they find troublesome or contradictory to their viewpoint. The point is that our POV and Nintendo's POV are wholly different. It's kind of like how someone justifies ripping off Walmart because "Walmart is big and evil." Just because you don't agree with their attitude across certain things doesn't entitle you to rip them off, because that's generative a false adversarial context as a guise to cover up your own indiscretion.

Same thing here. Nintendo's internal affairs - especially in this generation - are much more removed than they've ever been, and sitting here and thinking up a lot of examples isn't so much unnecessary as it is serving to try and argue with something that is pretty much locked up and decided upon.

I've already lost interest in talking about a hard drive on the Wii, because Nintendo seems 100% committed to the idea that it isn't required. And no matter how much I think that's bullshit, if I'm arguing with a brick wall, I'm arguing with a brick wall, and frankly I don't stick around for something so inflexible.

We can sit here all day and think up all these valid examples and complain about how they are losing sales by being such luddites, but when they don't give a shit, they don't give a shit.

Let's look at it this way. Can you people show me examples where it looks like they would even hope to try and reach something comparable to XBL? Because everything they've done shows that they are fully intent on doing the bare minimum. Hell, Smash Bros - quite possibly the definitive game on the Wii to ask for online gaming, barring technical limitations and hurdles - doesn't even support a persistent "who's online" system. No voice chat, no online leader boards. You don't even get to see an opponent's name in the against-anyone mode.

That just screams out that their attitude is really more of a "Let's try and appease, but still be frugal" mentality than anything else.

Also, you're wrong in saying I've never brought up this view with regards to some decisions Nintendo makes. It's just that you never bother to read half the shit I say and you've resolved yourself to think I'm going to trumpet their achievements like loud neon candy. It's true that certain things don't bother me as much as some of the bigger idiots around here, but there are definitely things that get on my nerves.

[mykevermin]

Take it easy, folks. They're still new to the DVD-as-storage-medium game, and perhaps still shaken up by having to abandon cartridges.

...and let's be honest about online VC. Are you surprised? Really? Christ.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Hell, Smash Bros - quite possibly the definitive game on the Wii to ask for online gaming, barring technical limitations and hurdles - doesn't even support a persistent "who's online" system. No voice chat, no online leader boards. You don't even get to see an opponent's name in the against-anyone mode.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/8600/phoenixwrightds02um1.jpg

Everyone can see the status of people on their Friend Roster.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/wi-fi/images/wi-fi03/wi-fi03_071203f-l.jpg
You can see if they’re online or hosting a match. If you want to play together, just select that person’s name and choose OK!

Within the context of this conversation, this is pretty much that, since there isnt exactly a permanent dashboard that you can access at any time.

Also, its possible that Nintendo GAINS sales from certain demographics who may have bought into their PR about the online safety bit. Like parents that are turned off by what they may have heard about Live or the the internet in general, whether its baseless fear mongering or not.

And dont forget the Luddite crowd! I appreciate the way they've chosen not to adopt certain things. Its going to be extremely dificult for them to sell me on a HD console, hard drive toting pc hybrid when the NEXT generation is upon us.

[pittpizza]

Had to look up Luddite. Good word.

I don't think Nintendo is as ludditical (<--made up word) as others do. As a for-profit major Japanese corporation it is safe to assume that they have at least considered and thought about the pros and cons of a robust online system.

At the same time we can clearly see from their actions that they really don't seem to be concerned about it or, as so eloquently put supra "give a shit." Point taken.

Then there are inclings of future unbelievably awesomeness, and feelings of "give them time." Will Smash be delayed? Probably not but it does not forego the possibility of added voice chat capability. I'm still curious to know what makes some people so sure that the Wii will never have voice chat??? Do you have some information the rest don't? They do have SOME online capability and seem to be at least slightly delving into it. As MC pointed out, a semblance of a friends list is in the making and we know we will at least be able to play each other. I think it will probably get better.

"Finalizing the peripheral" translates into "Hold your fucking horses N fanbois! It's on the way!"

Addressing the VC decision to 86 online play, no, regrettably it is not surprising at all.

[dmaul1114]

Man, did you ever buy the wrong system.

I bought the wrong console FIRST. I like having the Wii around to play some stuff like their first party games that are very different from what I can get on the 360.

But I should have bought a 360 first, and waited for the first price drop on the Wii, rather than doing it the other way around.

But my prior love of Nintendo, and my dislike of the game library on the original X-box led me astray.

Wii60 is the way to go this gen IMO. I just bought in the wrong order since the 360 had a lot I wanted to play over the past year, while the Wii lineup has been thin.

But now that I have both, it's all good!. :D