The truth comes out about the Bryant case

[bignick]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5602289/

My theory, she is in it for the money.

[epobirs]

Whenever someone decide a crime has been committed against them so long after the fact, be suspicious.

[CaseyRyback]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5602289/

My theory, she is in it for the money.

I doubt it is for the money. He has gone on with his life like nothing has happened, and she has had her name released to the public 3 times, had death threats sent to her, and is called a whore on TV everyday.

I wonder how much that would wear on the normal person.

[bignick]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5602289/

My theory, she is in it for the money.

I doubt it is for the money. He has gone on with his life like nothing has happened, and she has had her name released to the public 3 times, had death threats sent to her, and is called a whore on TV everyday.

I wonder how much that would wear on the normal person.

I wonder how much she will seek in the civil suit. 10 million 20 million? Just look at the evidence. Semen from other dudes in her panties. Come on!

[snotknocker]

She's probably in it for the cash. However Koby's mistake was being a tight wad. He's got the cash, he should of just paid a prostitute to satiate his sodomistic desires

[bignick]

She's probably in it for the cash. However Koby's mistake was being a tight wad. He's got the cash, he should of just paid a prostitute to satiate his sodomistic desires
ha ha ha, just like Charlie Sheen! or he should have gave that gilr 100K to leave him alone.

[CaseyRyback]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5602289/

My theory, she is in it for the money.

I doubt it is for the money. He has gone on with his life like nothing has happened, and she has had her name released to the public 3 times, had death threats sent to her, and is called a whore on TV everyday.

I wonder how much that would wear on the normal person.

I wonder how much she will seek in the civil suit. 10 million 20 million? Just look at the evidence. Semen from other dudes in her panties. Come on!

Everyone questions her sexual past, but what about his?

I highly doubt this was the first time he comitted adultery and no one mentions that. How many other women did he fuck before her? How many others said no? Just because she came into his room does not mean that it was connsentual sex.

IMO this whole case has made her look bad, and him look like a saint.

[bignick]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5602289/

My theory, she is in it for the money.

I doubt it is for the money. He has gone on with his life like nothing has happened, and she has had her name released to the public 3 times, had death threats sent to her, and is called a whore on TV everyday.

I wonder how much that would wear on the normal person.

I wonder how much she will seek in the civil suit. 10 million 20 million? Just look at the evidence. Semen from other dudes in her panties. Come on!

Everyone questions her sexual past, but what about his?

I highly doubt this was the first time he comitted adultery and no one mentions that. How many other women did he shaq-fu before her? How many others said no? Just because she came into his room does not mean that it was connsentual sex.

IMO this whole case has made her look bad, and him look like a saint.

But she is claiming it was rape, then sleeps with another guy the next day. Sounds suspicious to me.

[epobirs]

She's probably in it for the cash. However Koby's mistake was being a tight wad. He's got the cash, he should of just paid a prostitute to satiate his sodomistic desires

My feelings exactly. Considering the seven-figure cost of the monster rock he had to buy to retain his wife's cooperation during the initial press frenzy vs. the trivial few thousand bucks to have a really top of the line call girl (pronounced "personal therapist") on hand to fulfill his every desire, it seems the guy just doesn't appreciate the proper application of wealth. He could always specify to his procurer that the female in question be a big fan if thats his turn-on.

[CaseyRyback]

maybe she did not want that to be the last image she wanted in her head of being intimate with someone.

Granted, I do not know what she was going through or why she did it, but I bet he had sex the following night with some other girl and did not think twice about it.

[whiteboy]

why does everyone hate Kobe? is it because he beat your team's ass for 3 years in a row and continued to do so this past season? (Excluding the Pistons who deserved to win)

Anyway what i want to say is why would any 20 year old girl who lives in the hicks refuse to have sex with a young fanmous multi millionaire like Kobe Bryant? This case has lead up to fame, possibly fortune, and all of America feeling sad for her. And if this girl is so innocent why wont they let the defense find out a little about her past? And lastly why would Kobe do it? If she didnt want to he could have easily gone to a club or a bar hell probably even a super market and find someone to have sex with.

[bignick]

maybe she did not want that to be the last image she wanted in her head of being intimate with someone.

Granted, I do not know what she was going through or why she did it, but I bet he had sex the following night with some other girl and did not think twice about it.

but he wasnt an allegid rape victim.

[darkmere]

why does her past matter...yeah...the semen in her panties thing is nasty, but if the other guys were consentual and kobe wasn't then it's still rape...
example: you go to a bar and hook up with a chick consentually...no rape
on the way home you are taken to jail for dui...your cell mate makes you his bitch...rape...get it?

this is not a trial of a whore...it is a rape trial

personally i was neutral until kobe bought his wife a 4 million dollar ring or whatever...that screams guilty to me...if he had a clean past and she trusted her husband why would he feel obligated to do that? plus there was news today about another woman coming forward about unwanted advances at shaq's place around thanksgiving...i think there's a pattern

[CaseyRyback]

why does everyone hate Kobe? is it because he beat your team's ass for 3 years in a row and continued to do so this past season? (Excluding the Pistons who deserved to win)

Anyway what i want to say is why would any 20 year old girl who lives in the hicks refuse to have sex with a young fanmous multi millionaire like Kobe Bryant? This case has lead up to fame, possibly fortune, and all of America feeling sad for her. And if this girl is so innocent why wont they let the defense find out a little about her past? And lastly why would Kobe do it? If she didnt want to he could have easily gone to a club or a bar hell probably even a super market and find someone to have sex with.

The same thing was said about Mike Tyson.

[CaseyRyback]

why does her past matter...yeah...the semen in her panties thing is nasty, but if the other guys were consentual and kobe wasn't then it's still rape...
example: you go to a bar and hook up with a chick consentually...no rape
on the way home you are taken to jail for dui...your cell mate makes you his bitch...rape...get it?

this is not a trial of a whore...it is a rape trial

personally i was neutral until kobe bought his wife a 4 million dollar ring or whatever...that screams guilty to me...if he had a clean past and she trusted her husband why would he feel obligated to do that? plus there was news today about another woman coming forward about unwanted advances at shaq's place around thanksgiving...i think there's a pattern

she got the ring because there was no pre-nup and she could fuck Kobe over for half his assets. If he is found guilty I bet she does leave him.

The only reason his parents like her, is because she has stuck by him through this allegation so far.

[bignick]

Think of it this way. Replace Bryant with yourself Casey. There would be no civil suit.

[The Successful Dropout]

Think of it this way. Replace Bryant with yourself Casey. There would be no civil suit.

because casey wouldn't rape her?

[bignick]

Think of it this way. Replace Bryant with yourself Casey. There would be no civil suit.

because casey wouldn't rape her?

that too. But do you see my point?

[CaseyRyback]

Think of it this way. Replace Bryant with yourself Casey. There would be no civil suit.

because casey wouldn't rape her?

that too. But do you see my point?

No, mainly because if she cannot get him in a criminal trial, why shouldn't she try to impact him in some other way and get some type of justice? IS it the same? No, look at the Brown's and the Goldman's. They have seen very little of their settlement, and the man supposedly looking for the killer of his wife plays golf all day.

This could devestate him financially and would teach him a lesson. If she gets rich off it, she deserves every penny as her and her family have gone through hell over a man the public knows nothing about.

The burden of proof is far less, and even though he would not go to jail, she could feel like she got some type of justice.

[bignick]

So her getting more money from the civil suit than she would see in her entire life is justice?

[Duo_Maxwell]

Think of it this way. Replace Bryant with yourself Casey. There would be no civil suit.

because casey wouldn't rape her?

that too. But do you see my point?

I don't...civil and criminal trials work in different ways for starters. Plus chances are the average guy's criminal trial won't get any media attention and the criminal case wouldn't come close to being dropped in the first place. They are two completely different situations with so many different circumstances it's unfair to compare the two at all.

[jimbodan]

He raped her, and I want his ass locked up for life. God I hate kobe more then anything. The reason she doesn't want the trial is because Kobe's lawyers are going to drag her entire past sexual history into this. I know if I were her I sure as hell wouldn't want that. It just sucks that money can buy you "justice" Congrats Kobe, now if play a couple more years you can earn enough money to go rape someone else and get off scot-free!

[CaseyRyback]

So her getting more money from the civil suit than she would see in her entire life is justice?

Not as good as she would recieve from him being convicted and going to jail, but it would be a large impact on his life.

Look at the endorsements he would lose, the fans he would lose, and any repect he had in the NBA would probably be lost. It may also be the inspiration for his wife to leave him and screw him over like he has been doing to her.

[bignick]

He has already lost some endorsements.

[Moxio]

Ugh. Just... ugh.

[RedvsBlue]

I've always felt that just because she had sex with another man the next day doesn't mean she wasn't raped.

Everyone responds to situations differently. Its possible that she wanted someone to sleep with in order to make her forget the violation she endured and maybe restore her self esteem in some way?

As far as this newest revelation goes I'm not sure I'd want the entire world (Kobe's worshippers and all) to know my past sexual history if I were in this situation either.

[epobirs]

Think of it this way. Replace Bryant with yourself Casey. There would be no civil suit.

because casey wouldn't rape her?

that too. But do you see my point?

No, mainly because if she cannot get him in a criminal trial, why shouldn't she try to impact him in some other way and get some type of justice? IS it the same? No, look at the Brown's and the Goldman's. They have seen very little of their settlement, and the man supposedly looking for the killer of his wife plays golf all day.

This could devestate him financially and would teach him a lesson. If she gets rich off it, she deserves every penny as her and her family have gone through hell over a man the public knows nothing about.

The burden of proof is far less, and even though he would not go to jail, she could feel like she got some type of justice.

Oh please. Ron Goldman and Nicole Simpson didn't go about their busines and then decide well after the fact, "Oh gosh, we've been brutally murdered! I mean look, my head's barely attached! Do you suppose it was when OJ showed up last night and was so upset?"

THere is no comparison between the cases. The Bryant case is going in his favor because the prosecution has a lousy plaintiff and evidence that is greatly against her claims.

I've known half a dozen women who had been raped in the past. They never suggested for a moment they had any doubt in their mind what was happening to them at any point. I also know two women who made post-hoc rape claims whose intent of blackmail was painfully obvious. One of them was almost thrown in jail herself because the person she was trying to swindle brought in the police and they quickly found her story to be very leaky.

No honest person has any difficulty recognizing rape while its happening.

[Duo_Maxwell]

Oh please. Ron Goldman and Nicole Simpson didn't go about their busines and then decide well after the fact, "Oh gosh, we've been brutally murdered! I mean look, my head's barely attached! Do you suppose it was when OJ showed up last night and was so upset?"

THere is no comparison between the cases. The Bryant case is going in his favor because the prosecution has a lousy plaintiff and evidence that is greatly against her claims.

I've known half a dozen women who had been raped in the past. They never suggested for a moment they had any doubt in their mind what was happening to them at any point. I also know two women who made post-hoc rape claims whose intent of blackmail was painfully obvious. One of them was almost thrown in jail herself because the person she was trying to swindle brought in the police and they quickly found her story to be very leaky.

No honest person has any difficulty recognizing rape while its happening.

If that first paragraph was designed to be sacastically funny, it wasn't. Also, the argument you present is flawed in many ways. You say you've known rape victims, then you should know many rape victims go through different experiences and some repress the incident so much that they don't even remember details, kind of like post traumatic shock, but not totally. And besides DNA and certain physical evidence (which I think they've proven they have his) rape cases are always hard to find concrete evidence to convict someone. This rape case doesn't appear to have any less evidence than many rape cases go to trial with.

[CaseyRyback]

I used OJ as an example of someone who lost big in civil court(where burden of proof is less) and now survives only on the NFL pension (though it is a large figure, if he could do card shows and such his income could be much larger).

Don't you think if OJ won his civil trial he would be trying to capatalize on all the attention brought about by the trial?

[epobirs]

Oh please. Ron Goldman and Nicole Simpson didn't go about their busines and then decide well after the fact, "Oh gosh, we've been brutally murdered! I mean look, my head's barely attached! Do you suppose it was when OJ showed up last night and was so upset?"

THere is no comparison between the cases. The Bryant case is going in his favor because the prosecution has a lousy plaintiff and evidence that is greatly against her claims.

I've known half a dozen women who had been raped in the past. They never suggested for a moment they had any doubt in their mind what was happening to them at any point. I also know two women who made post-hoc rape claims whose intent of blackmail was painfully obvious. One of them was almost thrown in jail herself because the person she was trying to swindle brought in the police and they quickly found her story to be very leaky.

No honest person has any difficulty recognizing rape while its happening.

If that first paragraph was designed to be sacastically funny, it wasn't. Also, the argument you present is flawed in many ways. You say you've known rape victims, then you should know many rape victims go through different experiences and some repress the incident so much that they don't even remember details, kind of like post traumatic shock, but not totally. And besides DNA and certain physical evidence (which I think they've proven they have his) rape cases are always hard to find concrete evidence to convict someone. This rape case doesn't appear to have any less evidence than many rape cases go to trial with.

There was never any dispute that he had sex with her. The presence of his DNA is of no matter in that regard but the presence of other men's DNA is, especially when it is more recent.

I find most claims of memory suppression highly doubtful. They don't hold up well in clinical studies. All too often it has served as an excuse to fabricate events as seen in the literal witch hunts that happened in Washington State and other places. In cases where the traumatic events are well documented and beyond dispute there is rarely a survivor involved who say they cannot remember what happened unless they suffered sufficient head trauma to make them forget events of any nature.

[Alpha2]

what the defense is trying to say with the other DNA is that she had sex with someone other than Kobe and that any signs of rape could possibly be attributed to sex with someone other than him. This in turn means the sex COULD have been concensual and she later decided to claim rape and pretend to be mentally traumatized just for the cash.

I'm not saying this is the truth I'm just saying thats what the defense is trying to prove.

[GuilewasNK]

He raped her, and I want his ass locked up for life. God I hate kobe more then anything. The reason she doesn't want the trial is because Kobe's lawyers are going to drag her entire past sexual history into this. I know if I were her I sure as hell wouldn't want that. It just sucks that money can buy you "justice" Congrats Kobe, now if play a couple more years you can earn enough money to go rape someone else and get off scot-free!

First off, I don't like Kobe, I never have and it had nothing to do with this case.

That being said...

The were not going to drag her entire history into this. They clearly said they would only examine any sexual activity within a three day window of the incident. The fact that there was any possibility of activity a day after her encounter with Bryant makes her case dubious at best. The whole point is that the defense said she had NO encounters. If it is proven otherwise then her crediblity is shot with the rape allegation, if she had simply told the truth from the beginning she wouldn't have to consider backing out of the criminal case. Now, that being said....

Kobe is dumb as hell for getting himself into that situation in the first place. All these damn athletes need to look at Mike Tyson and Magic Johnson to see what can happen if you think you are invincible. The fact Kobe's wife stayed with him baffles me. Either she truly loves him or doesn't want to raise her baby by herself because she could have took that man for everything he had in divorce court.

After this, I can see resorts and hotels having a policy that requires two people from their staff to tend to customers or have men do it.