Remote Play Update - Play All Your PSX Games on PSP!

[mykevermin]

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/18/new-firmware-enables-ps1-games-on-psp-through-remote-play/

Put the disc in your PS3 and play via remote play. Holy Crap!

I know it was mentioned in the update thread, but good lord n' butter, this is one helluva feature.

Now if only I can figure out how to get the savefile I have for Xenogears from my PSP to my PS3 such that it will work as a standard save file, then I won't have to worry about ripping disc 2. I'll just put that bad daddy in the PS3 and wail away at their...oh, who am I kidding? I'll be watching cutscenes forever and a day. It's Xenogears.

[NamPaehc]

That is pretty hot.

I hope they make it so you can rip your PS1 games to the PS3's hard drive. Might be some pirating issues with that, but for now, leaving one in the disc drive will work fine.

[mykevermin]

It's a big letdown to all the folks who pirate their PSX games, but to be quite honest, I'm now heavily considring going back to the regular PSP firmware. The only custom firmware thing I am interested in is PSX gameplay and some emulators - but I truly only use the NES emulator (outside of custom PSX bootables) with any regularity. I can sacrifice that for avoiding the headache of ripping games.

[Scorch]

How long can you play the PSX game though? Until the battery dies? And how would this work with two disc games and vacations? Not so well.

[NamPaehc]

How long can you play the PSX game though? Until the battery dies? And how would this work with two disc games and vacations? Not so well.
That first two questions are a bit weak aren't they?

The second, I'm guessing your taking about games in the disc drive. You'll need to buy one of those Sony robots (http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:vinAr8gB9BZDkM:http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2003/TECH/ptech/12/18/sony.robot.ap/story.sony.robot.ap.jpg) and have it change the disc for you!

Really, that is why Sony needs to increase the amount of titles on the PSN in the US and allow you to rip your games from the disc drive to the PS3's hard drive. :)

[mykevermin]

Hire a butler to change games for you? I dunno.

[BustaUppa]

So does this work through a direct wireless connection between the PSP and PS3 (i.e. you basically have to be in your house to use it)? Or can you play whatever PS1 game you've got in your PS3 from any WiFi hotspot in the world?

I don't have a '3 or a 'P, so this is just pure curiosity on my part.

[NamPaehc]

So does this work through a direct wireless connection between the PSP and PS3 (i.e. you basically have to be in your house to use it)? Or can you play whatever PS1 game you've got in your PS3 from any WiFi hotspot in the world?

I don't have a '3 or a 'P, so this is just pure curiosity on my part.

Remote Play = Wifi access from anywhere in the world (with Wifi access) to your PS3 via the PSP.

[simplygriff]

What update are they talking about? 3.80?
-G

[The Mana Knight]

All right everyone, I'll show everyone what I did


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[mykevermin]

That's actually a pretty neat-o Kingdom Hearts theme. Where did you find that?

[Scorch]

Yeah, that one's pretty awesome. I've seen a Nintendo themed one that was cool too. Where are you guys finding themes at?

[The Mana Knight]

That's actually a pretty neat-o Kingdom Hearts theme. Where did you find that?I found the theme here (http://www.psu.com/Kingdom-Hearts-Theme-by-Septimus--theme-26.php). I need to download more and search for more online (It has been a while since I've done so).

[tiredfornow]

Theres a thread here with a bunch of neat themes, myke.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=206386


Also, how does this work? I put the PSX game in my That Triple, fire it up, and I can turn off my That Triple? Do I need to leave it on while I play?

[CrimsonPaw]

This freaking ROCKS!!!! Time to start buying some PS1 games from Ebay (Colony Wars here I come!).

I know there was mention of being able to play ALL of your games via this method but I'm not sure how they would do that. I started a thread a few months back ago on this subject but it got lost in the fray of everything else. My guess is either they would release an add-on for the PSP to get the analogs and more bumpers or release something to use your controller.

Either way, this is a great step!

EDIT: Has anyone tried this across the Internet? Last time I tried Remote Play to play a movie trailer across the Internet it was choppy as hell, can someone give some insight?

[The Mana Knight]

Theres a thread here with a bunch of neat themes, myke.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=206386


Also, how does this work? I put the PSX game in my That Triple, fire it up, and I can turn off my That Triple? Do I need to leave it on while I play?Well, here's how it works.

If you connect to your PS3 directly or via private network with the PSP, you cannot turn the PS3 off remotely (since you are nearby the PS3). You have to set the PS3 in remote play mode manually (while having the disc inserted) and then you log on your PS3 with the PSP. When you are done, either quit remote play on the PSP or just turn the PS1 game off with the PSP.

If you use the worldwide remote play, then it's quite possible you can turn on the console to play a PS1 game and turn it off.

[Scorch]

If I give a friend the ability to log in to my PS3 and I pop in a game, can he play?

Better yet, what if I pop in something like Tekken? If he and I both log in to my PS3 to play Tekken, what are the odds we could play two player?

[tiredfornow]

Well, here's how it works.

If you connect to your PS3 directly or via private network with the PSP, you cannot turn the PS3 off remotely (since you are nearby the PS3). You have to set the PS3 in remote play mode manually (while having the disc inserted) and then you log on your PS3 with the PSP. When you are done, either quit remote play on the PSP or just turn the PS1 game off with the PSP.

If you use the worldwide remote play, then it's quite possible you can turn on the console to play a PS1 game and turn it off.

Welcome back.

I'm guessing having my PSP link up w/ my That Triple, starting the game, then turning off my That Triple isn't an option?

This is really interesting cause I've got a whole fuckload of PS1 games I'd love to play early in the mornings before work and during lunch. If I could just load it on my PSP, then turn the system off and STILL be able to play the game, that'd be awesome

[Lieutenant Dan]

Me likey!

[mykevermin]

Welcome back.

I'm guessing having my PSP link up w/ my That Triple, starting the game, then turning off my That Triple isn't an option?

This is really interesting cause I've got a whole fuckload of PS1 games I'd love to play early in the mornings before work and during lunch. If I could just load it on my PSP, then turn the system off and STILL be able to play the game, that'd be awesome

The way I understand it, you can turn your That Triple on and off using worldwide remote play, so you leave the disc in, play your PS1 game, and when finished, turn it off - all while away from home.

[The Mana Knight]

The way I understand it, you can turn your That Triple on and off using worldwide remote play, so you leave the disc in, play your PS1 game, and when finished, turn it off - all while away from home.Yeah, myke is right. The worldwide remote play works even when you are nearby your PS3, but it will take time logging into your PS3 (since it has to verify your email and password).
If I give a friend the ability to log in to my PS3 and I pop in a game, can he play?

Better yet, what if I pop in something like Tekken? If he and I both log in to my PS3 to play Tekken, what are the odds we could play two player?
First off, you'd have to connect your friend's PSP to your PS3 via USB, to register it to your PS3 console first. After that, you can have him login with your email and password.

[CrimsonPaw]

Well, here's how it works.

If you connect to your PS3 directly or via private network with the PSP, you cannot turn the PS3 off remotely (since you are nearby the PS3). You have to set the PS3 in remote play mode manually (while having the disc inserted) and then you log on your PS3 with the PSP. When you are done, either quit remote play on the PSP or just turn the PS1 game off with the PSP.
Did they change this recently? I was always able to start up my PS3 remotely and turn it off remotely via the PS3 AND private network. The only time I tried was recently and it didn't work, then again my network light wasn't on in the front.

The reason I ask is because my PS3 is hooked up to the big screen in the living room and I would hate to loose that functionality when the wife is busy watching Gray's Private Practicing ER.

[Scorch]

First off, you'd have to connect your friend's PSP to your PS3 via USB, to register it to your PS3 console first. After that, you can have him login with your email and password.

Is there a master account status on PS3, or are they all equal? I'd rather set him up his own account on my PS3 and have him log in via that.

[The Mana Knight]

Is there a master account status on PS3, or are they all equal? I'd rather set him up his own account on my PS3 and have him log in via that.He could setup another master account on your PS3. I'm not sure whether the PSP you register links to one account or all accounts. I will take a look into it with my Japanese account. But if he has to register it with his name, it should work. I believe you can register more than one PSP, because I have two register and both work (from when I last tried, if I remember correctly).
Did they change this recently? I was always able to start up my PS3 remotely and turn it off remotely via the PS3 AND private network. The only time I tried was recently and it didn't work, then again my network light wasn't on in the front.

The reason I ask is because my PS3 is hooked up to the big screen in the living room and I would hate to loose that functionality when the wife is busy watching Gray's Private Practicing ER.I could never find that option via private network. I'll have to take a look.

EDIT: I just tried and it worked, but my PS3 turned itself back on.

[FriskyTanuki]

I guess with this new feature, the only questions are about what PS1 games work well with the PSP's control scheme. I haven't played MGS in years, but I wanted to play it again and I'm guessing it's better to play it on the big screen. Though RPGs like FF7 would be great for this, right?

[NamPaehc]

I guess with this new feature, the only questions are about what PS1 games work well with the PSP's control scheme. I haven't played MGS in years, but I wanted to play it again and I'm guessing it's better to play it on the big screen. Though RPGs like FF7 would be great for this, right?

Depends on the game control wise. A remember a lot of games using the shoulder buttons to do the same thing so you only really needed 1 set. And I can't remember more then 3 games that required two analogs off the top fo my head.

[mykevermin]

Now, is this like Lair, where you aren't actually "playing" the game on your PSP, but it's running on your PS3 and you're merely controlling it remotely using your PSP? If so, can we expect to see PS2 remote play (at some point, of course, since they don't want to neuter PSP software sales)?

Or, rather, is it technologically possible?

[freakyzeeky]

Whenever I browse the net thru remote play, it's kinda laggy control-wise... Can the same be said for playing PSX games? I don't want to play laggy PSX games... :-#

[primetime]

Hmm...this may be a reason to ditch CF. I think right now the HB community is X.01, in terms of updates, behind Sony, at least for the fatty. I can probably wait and just be content with my own PS1 games on CF for now. But this is certainly a really cool feature.

[mykevermin]

Whenever I browse the net thru remote play, it's kinda laggy control-wise... Can the same be said for playing PSX games? I don't want to play laggy PSX games... :-#

Have you tinkered with your remote play settings? If you go to "communication settings" under the home button, you can fix that. I managed to get a better-looking picture as well as faster response time.

Now that I've gotten my custom firmware off and 3.80 on (whatta fuckin' PITA that was), let's see how Medal of Honor runs.

[Purkeynator]

The real question is can you convert all your ps1 games using popsloader and put them all on your ps3 hard drive and play any game you want at any time on your psp when you have a wifi connection?

[Scorch]

wow, I found a CAG PS3 theme

http://www.allps3themes.com/2007/12/17/cheapassgamercom/

[FriskyTanuki]

wow, I found a CAG PS3 theme

http://www.allps3themes.com/2007/12/17/cheapassgamercom/
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=164201

Here's the official theme Cheapy and WSB made:

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=160489

[Aleman]

Anyone tried it over the internet (not LAN) yet? How's the input lag?

[mykevermin]

You can change the lag in the settings - I like "Type 5" personally.

[Scorch]

Now, is this like Lair, where you aren't actually "playing" the game on your PSP, but it's running on your PS3 and you're merely controlling it remotely using your PSP? If so, can we expect to see PS2 remote play (at some point, of course, since they don't want to neuter PSP software sales)?

Or, rather, is it technologically possible?

If they can make PS3 and PS1 on PSP, a PS2 is just as easy.. but they probably won't because A.) Only certain models play PS2 games and B.) They want us to buy the PS2.

[Aleman]

If they can make PS3 and PS1 on PSP, a PS2 is just as easy.. but they probably won't because A.) Only certain models play PS2 games and B.) They want us to buy the PS2.

Actually I expect it to happen sometime in the next year or two, after PS2 sales start dying down. They might do it just to compete with "Xbox Originals."

[reicaden]

The real question is can you convert all your ps1 games using popsloader and put them all on your ps3 hard drive and play any game you want at any time on your psp when you have a wifi connection?

Question of the day! inquiring minds want to know ;) lol.

This would require CF to support remote play, and I am unsure if it does or does not, at the moment.

[NamPaehc]

Actually I expect it to happen sometime in the next year or two, after PS2 sales start dying down. They might do it just to compete with "Xbox Originals."

If they did anything like that, I think they'd make you put the PS2 game in the PS3 to copy it to the HD so that they had more of a chance of controlling illegal things.

PS2 games on the PSN would be about the only way though wouldn't it? I mean, Sony hasn't made a BC update for reading game disc in a long time and they aren't even supporting it in all of their systems any more.

Then if you start talking about remote play, you would have to seriously look at the control scheme much more then you would for the PS1. One good thing is if they did have the PS2 games on the PS3's HD, the file sizes wouldn't be as much of an issue with wifi streaming. Compaired to having to figure out a way to fit game on your memory stick.

[y2kenjination]

Amazing feature...just tried out my FFVII and it works like a charm. The PS3 just keeps getting better and better! My only gripes are the lag and image quality, but that's a given since it's streaming.

[NamPaehc]

Hmm, everyone seems to be testing this out with FFVII... A few of the game blogs plopped this in first too. We must have all kept our copies haha?

[naruto179]

So when you play a PS1 game on your PSP (either locally or wifi), does the game play on the PS3 also? What I mean is that while your playing on your PSP, does the game play on the TV too? If it does, then would mulitplayer work, or would there be too much lag?

[mykevermin]

It doesn't play on the TV at the same time - I was testing it out in my living room last night. When using remote play, the tv screen says "remote play in use" on a black screen.

I'm going to test out the visuals and lag from my office today - I put FFIX in, so I can see if there are discernible differences between a disc-based RPG and one on the HDD (I bought Wild Arms from the PSN Store the other week). I may try Medal of Honor tomorrow to see how an action/fps holds up.

[CrimsonPaw]

Let us know how it fairs Myke, I think it would be awesome to hear that it runs smooth across the web.

[snowsquirrel]

I don't see the big advantage here. The PSP can already play PSX game iso's. Why would I want to do it remotely? I think it is cool that it can, I can see if you are in a pinch, and can't get home to load up the iso, but in general, have the iso, locally on the psp would yield better performance I would think.
~S

[mykevermin]

Well, you understand once you begin with the fact that Sony doesn't want you to make isos of your games. They don't mind with the ones they've made available on the PSN Store, but otherwise, of course they discourage that.

This is a suitable alternative for those who don't want to go to the trouble of making their own iso files, and helps Sony encourage PSP and PS3 sales - at the same time it further discourages piracy. Now I don't have to create an iso or load that shit with popstation - I can just put the disc in my PS3 and leave the house.

If they'd allow me to load my discs onto my PS3, that would be even better, so I'm not just limited to the games they offer on PSN + the one disc at a time that can go in the console.

Performance-wise, it's just fine. Fix your settings properly and there's next to zero lag, as well as surprisingly good picture quality.

All that said, my PSP wouldn't connect to the console from the office (though the same settings work fine at home). So I have to tinker with it for a little longer before giving any results for certain.

[CrimsonPaw]

I don't see the big advantage here. The PSP can already play PSX game iso's. Why would I want to do it remotely? I think it is cool that it can, I can see if you are in a pinch, and can't get home to load up the iso, but in general, have the iso, locally on the psp would yield better performance I would think.
~S
As Myke said, there are those of us who aren't into custom firmware that would still like to play our PSX titles on the go. I don't have the time to fuck with custom firmware and burning ISOs; so if I can simply throw a PSX game into my PS3 and play it from anywhere with a wireless signal I'm happy.

[jling84]

I posted a thread about this but hopefully someone in here can help me out with a solution. I'm trying to do what Myke is doing and that is play my PS1 discs from somewhere other than at home.

When I'm at home and connected through the network, Remote Start works fine, but when I turn Remote Start through the internet on, my PS3 just keeps turning on and off. Does anyone know why it's doing this?

[snowsquirrel]

I take offense to the piracy comment. I in no way condone piracy... hell I make my living in the games industry. But I have a box of psx games, that I don't fee I should have to pay for twice. I also enjoy checking out the odd homebrew title.

I have always though it would be nice to release official tools for people with psx discs, to make iso's for their PSP, but I guess the piracy would be hard to combat... thus you win. This is a nice feature to easily play PSX games on the PSP, and avoid the piracy issue.

I have my lag set fairly high, as it helps stream videos. I'll have to try minimizing the lag, for playing games.

~S

[mykevermin]

I didn't imply you were pirating isos - but as you say "the psp can already play isos." Well, that's true - but not "officially" true.

It may not be a big change for you personally, but you could look at it as Sony "listening" to the community by implementing a really cool feature, while protecting their assets at the same time.

It finally convinced me to go back to the official firmware bandwagon, that's for sure.

Now to figure out two things:
1) how to access this from my office, since an at home connection isn't all that ideal for genuine testing purposes.
2) how to convert a save file from a PSP iso game in order to play it on this remote play. I invested 16 hours into Xenogears, and I don't want that to go to waste.

[y2kenjination]

I don't see the big advantage here. The PSP can already play PSX game iso's. Why would I want to do it remotely? I think it is cool that it can, I can see if you are in a pinch, and can't get home to load up the iso, but in general, have the iso, locally on the psp would yield better performance I would think.
~S
Because your method is illegal. Simple as that.

[slidecage]

so the game data would be saved to the PSP memory stick??


saying i go pop in shadow hearts play it for 5 hours and want to save. Where do i save to i can play it again or is there no save feature on any


If i knew i could play all my PS1 rpgs games on my PSP then i run out tomorrow and buy a ps3 for 500

hell my cousin is using her wii just for the classic downloads

[jling84]

Think of your PSP basically as a controller with a screen. When you save it still saves to the PS3. You are just getting your PSP to tell your PS3 to save.

[Thomas96]

I didn't imply you were pirating isos - but as you say "the psp can already play isos." Well, that's true - but not "officially" true.

It may not be a big change for you personally, but you could look at it as Sony "listening" to the community by implementing a really cool feature, while protecting their assets at the same time.

It finally convinced me to go back to the official firmware bandwagon, that's for sure.

Now to figure out two things:
1) how to access this from my office, since an at home connection isn't all that ideal for genuine testing purposes.
2) how to convert a save file from a PSP iso game in order to play it on this remote play. I invested 16 hours into Xenogears, and I don't want that to go to waste.


Man my life would pretty much be perfect if I could just get my psp online via my office. Can't use router. only if I had a lan line spitter.

[FriskyTanuki]

Tried out MGS yesterday and it wasn't bad, but I'd probably just play it on the big screen instead.

[mykevermin]

Man my life would pretty much be perfect if I could just get my psp online via my office. Can't use router. only if I had a lan line spitter.

Tell me more about this "can't use a router" stuff.

[revhrd]

Is there a trick to getting your ps1 game to save? I played ffvii and when i tried to save it did not allow it since there was no "memory card" in either of the "slots"

[The Mana Knight]

Is there a trick to getting your ps1 game to save? I played ffvii and when i tried to save it did not allow it since there was no "memory card" in either of the "slots"You need to assign a PS1 memory card to slot 1 and/or 2. You can do this my pressing the PS Button (Selecting "Assign Slots") or go under the PS1/PS2 memory cards on the XMB and assign the slot.

[NamPaehc]

I started FF:IX and I am impressed. I thought it looked really kiddy, compared to VII and VIII, but this one is fairly fun so far.

[CrimsonPaw]

Man my life would pretty much be perfect if I could just get my psp online via my office. Can't use router. only if I had a lan line spitter.
... you mean a switch? Are you looking to split the connection before your router or after it? If after, then you just need a simple switch (or even another router that has wireless capabilities) to split the line.

[snowsquirrel]

only if I had a lan line spitter. A switch has already been suggested, but a hub will work too. Hell a router is just a swith with extra abilities. Most routers can have those abilities turned off, so all you have is a switch.

Because your method is illegal. Simple as that. I care more about right and wrong, than legal/illlegal. Right/wrong trancends borders, and does have alterior motives. For example AFAIK, only in the USA is it illegal to make a copy of something you own for your own personal use. I know in Canada it is not, nor is it in many European countries. Wrong would be stealing/pirating a game. Copying one I own for my personal use, IMHO is not 'wrong'.

Myke has already come up with a number of valid reasons why the PSX-disc-in-PS3 is ultimately a good idea. I just wanted to point out, that it is definitely not 'Simple as that.' So lets not discuss this further.

~S