Where's the BioShock and Halo 3 love?

[Unickuta]

On GameSpot, it wasn't even a finalist for best 360 game, and didn't even win the "best artistic design" category. On IGN, it only won two awards.

Look, I've played- and I love- Call of Duty 4, Halo 3, and BioShock, and I can't believe how the latter two are being so often snubbed in favor of the first.

[whoknows]

I think Bioshock has been getting more than it deserves and Halo 3 getting less.

[Unickuta]

I think Bioshock has been getting more than it deserves and Halo 3 getting less.

I can empathize with that, though I think BioShock is getting less...I don't know why there has been this unified backlash against Halo 3 from all of the major video game sites.

[Javery]

Portal is GotY 2007. Bioshock is a close second for me. I haven't tried Halo 3 yet even though I got it for Christmas.

[Apossum]

It's amazing how quickly Halo 3 was forgotten, despite its sales. Seems like everybody is playing Cod4 instead.

Bioshock has been getting a lot of awards from everywhere.


Portal is GotY 2007


Quoted for truth.

[lunatic_pandora]

I think Bioshock has been getting more than it deserves and Halo 3 getting less.

Kind of the opposite for me...

[evanft]

It's because COD4 is a superior game, duh.

[Chacrana]

Crysis is better than any of those so there.

[mtxbass1]

Crysis is better than any of those so there.

I'm sure it is for the 5 people who can run it. ;)

As far as Bioshock. It's been getting plenty of press. The game wins award after award. Who cares if "gamespot" snubs it?

[dmaul1114]

Bioshock had the best single player by far, and is my favorite of the 3. Call of Duty 4 has the best multi-player. Halo 3 had a good campaign (better than CoD4's too short campaign and shitty cheap AI), and decent online but it's just too hard to get into for a novice online gamer like myself.

Right now, Bioshock is my Game of the Year. But I'm just getting into Mass Effect, and from what I've played it has a great chance of ending up as my Game of the year.

[Ikohn4ever]

Halo 3 was so overhyped compared to how pedestrian the game actually was

[rodeojones903]

Halo 3 was a huge disappointment if you ask me.

[whoknows]

I'd say the first half of Bioshock was great, but after that it all started going down hill. Bioshock has the environment and gets an A+++ for that, but the rest is...ehh. Not proud to say it, but I enjoyed Halo 3's campaign more, at the very least there were only a couple of parts that felt like a chore to do.

[RichMeisterMan]

Bioshock deserves all the artisitic design and graphic awards it gets for the 360 in my opinion (although Mass Effect also looked awesome too).

However, game of the year? Did none of the reviewers get to the end of the game where enemies took several shotgun blasts to the face to kill?! At the end of the game your guns are useless. Some how hot lead spewing from a tommy gun is less effective than a wrench. The harder difficulties were especially ridiculous.

[heatdolphins45]

COD4 is game of the year(excellent single player and multiplayer). Halo 3 single player is terrrible, and multiplayer is too damn easy(even with friends, no challenge). I am currently playing Bioshock and it's a close 2nd behind COD4, it is excellent so far, the environment and story is amazing as well as gameplay.

[Malik112099]

I think Bioshock has been getting more than it deserves and Halo 3 getting less.

you typed that opposite of what it should be.....Halo 3 is ass - im not talking about the multiplayer...multiplayer is just icing...i got Halo 3 for the game/story and it was a HUGE letdown....icing isnt worth shit to me if the cake is bad

[Puffa469]

CoD4 is the best 360 game Ive ever played. I liked both Bioshock and Halo3 alot too tho. Who cares what awards a game wins?

[hankmecrankme]

Bioshock deserves all the artisitic design and graphic awards it gets for the 360 in my opinion (although Mass Effect also looked awesome too).

However, game of the year? Did none of the reviewers get to the end of the game where enemies took several shotgun blasts to the face to kill?! At the end of the game your guns are useless. Some how hot lead spewing from a tommy gun is less effective than a wrench. The harder difficulties were especially ridiculous.
QFT, except for the graphic award part for Bioshock. On my PC, it files, but the animations all run slower, like they are 30 fps when the game is running at 60 fps. It looks bad. Artistic design though, I'll agree.

Crysis is better than any of those so there.
Also, QFT.

[Herbsnverbs]

I think Bioshock has been getting more than it deserves and Halo 3 getting less.

I think Bioshock has been getting LESS than it deserves, and Halo 3 more.

Halo 3 = overrated. :bomb:

[whoknows]

Halo 3 may be overrated, but so is Bioshock. You can try to deny it, but it is.

[daroga]

Bioshock already got far more love than it deserved. It was a great environment, not a good game. When your execution dissolves into fetch quests in the second 1/2 of the game, you're not as amazing as everyone might have you believe.

Halo 3 was way overhyped, but at least a fun game in both of its modes. Not GOTY material vs. the other gold in 2007 though.

[whoknows]

Bioshock already got far more love than it deserved. It was a great environment, not a good game. When your execution dissolves into fetch quests in the second 1/2 of the game, you're not as amazing as everyone might have you believe.

Halo 3 was way overhyped, but at least a fun game in both of its modes. Not GOTY material vs. the other gold in 2007 though.
I definitely agree with all of that.

[InuFaye]

Bioshock just played like a slow ass console shooter on PC.

Halo 3 is fun online with the right people.

Crysis destroys both games though.

[jer7583]

I hated CoD4, was impressed with bioshock, and I've played around 300 Halo 3 online matches and finished the single player 4 times through.

But Orange Box was still better.

[Trakan]

Halo 3 single player is terrrible, and multiplayer is too damn easy(even with friends, no challenge).

Multiplayer is too damn easy, eh? You made it all the way up to that plateau of level 10. No challenge eh?

Good work.

[jer7583]

Multiplayer is too damn easy, eh? You made it all the way up to that plateau of level 10. No challenge eh?

Good work.

Of course, all those level 5 guys just aren't tough enough! What's the point in playing?

[help1]

Halo 3 may be overrated, but so is Bioshock. You can try to deny it, but it is.

True. COD 4 is overrated aswell. The games multiplayer lacks depth, and the single player is gone in a flash.

[PyroGamer]

Halo 3 may be overrated, but so is Bioshock. You can try to deny it, but it is.
Yes, but it deserves to be overrated; like Call of Duty 4, or Portal.

The one game I'm wondering where all the love has gone for, is Mass Effect. It seems to get ignored thanks to all the other great games being overrated.


Now, the OP is more concerned about awards. And in that case, COD4 is almost sickening in how much it is getting awarded. The linear level design, the frustrating "infinite respawn" sections, the cowardly "politically ©orrect" storyline, the god-awful broken checkpoint system they refuse to ever change. There's plenty to hate about that game, yet virtually nobody mentions it. And when other great games are getting snubbed thanks to it, that's even worse.


Halo 3 was forgotten for a good reason: it sucks.

[dmaul1114]

The one game I'm wondering where all the love has gone for, is Mass Effect. It seems to get ignored thanks to all the other great games being overrated.


Yep, the more I play (16.5 hours in, mainly been doing sidequests so far) the more it's emerging as my game of the year.

Great graphics, good story, tons of shit to do and explore, great combat system for an RPG, love the dialogue and options. Just a fantastic game.

[V Illuminati V]

Bioshock got lots of awards, Halo 3 deserved more. I personally enjoyed Halo 3 the most out of those, then CoD4, then Bioshock.

[jer7583]

Call of Duty 4 deserves none of the praise or sales it is receiving. I really don't understand it, other than it's the dumb shooter hick 360 fanbase heavily picking up on it. (And from my time listening to people in games, I'd have to agree, it's almost as bad as Halo) PLUS YA SHOT DEM TURRISTS IN DAT UN'

CoD4 has absurdly predictable and archaic design in its short and frustrating single player. But everyone overlooks that because it's flashy. Multiplayer doesn't offer much of anything new and has no flow or real method of winning other than finding others off guard or using abilities gained by playing the game more than someone else. It's just a mediocre game that nails the things that it really takes for a game to succeed these days- Marketing, Hype, Flashy scenarios, and pretty graphics.

Mass Effect is a great game, but it's just single player and that gets overlooked these days. It's also got some glaring technical problems, but I didn't feel they bothered the game too much.

[soulvengeance]

Call of Duty 4 deserves none of the praise or sales it is receiving. I really don't understand it, other than it's the dumb shooter hick 360 fanbase heavily picking up on it. (And from my time listening to people in games, I'd have to agree, it's almost as bad as Halo) PLUS YA SHOT DEM TURRISTS IN DAT UN'

CoD4 has absurdly predictable and archaic design in its short and frustrating single player. But everyone overlooks that because it's flashy. Multiplayer doesn't offer much of anything new and has no flow or real method of winning other than finding others off guard or using abilities gained by playing the game more than someone else. It's just a mediocre game that nails the things that it really takes for a game to succeed these days- Marketing, Hype, Flashy scenarios, and pretty graphics.

Mass Effect is a great game, but it's just single player and that gets overlooked these days. It's also got some glaring technical problems, but I didn't feel they bothered the game too much.
Well, I'm pretty sure I'm not a hick and I enjoyed Call of Duty quite a bit. The story was a bit short, but it was pretty good for a FPS. I haven't played the multiplayer since the beta, so I can't really comment on that.

[hiccupleftovers]

On GameSpot, it wasn't even a finalist for best 360 game, and didn't even win the "best artistic design" category. On IGN, it only won two awards.

Look, I've played- and I love- Call of Duty 4, Halo 3, and BioShock, and I can't believe how the latter two are being so often snubbed in favor of the first.

I haven't read through this thread to see if anyone has mentioned this yet, but it all has to do with advertising in game journalism nowadays. Let's all be honest with ourselves, Halo 3 and Bishock must clearly not be advertising enough on these sites for them to actually give a damn about them.

[hiccupleftovers]

It's because COD4 is a superior game, duh.

Oh yeah, CoD4 kicks much ass. That should be the end of the thread right there as well.

[Rei no Otaku]

Halo 3 was forgotten for a good reason: it sucks.
This.

[zewone]

Yeah, PC games for the win, nucca.

Shit, blue screen, let me reboot in safe mode.

Yeah.

[jer7583]

Yes, because "It sucks" clearly illustrates your point, and your intelligence.


SOMEBODY'S afraid to like what's popular.

[Rei no Otaku]

Oh shit! Guess I better sell my copies of Bioshock, CoD4, Mass Effect, all my Final Fantasies, etc.! Not to mention stop thinking Mass Effect is GOTY followed by Bioshock! They're all too popular!

I think Halo 3 sucks. That's all the illustration needed.

[mykevermin]

Yes, because "It sucks" clearly illustrates your point, and your intelligence.


SOMEBODY'S afraid to like what's popular.

He could have used 50 words and still had a vapid opinion, like your consideration of CoD4 as "archaic." The multiplayer maps are complex and exciting, the RPG elements (both leveling and custom classes) allow for considerable strategy and adaptation to individual player strengths and weaknesses, the barracks section challenges provide incentives to learn to use each weapon and vary your techniques - and best of all, its matchmaking and ranking systems are decidedly more complex than any other FPS I've touched...and I have all these opinions of it in spite of being pretty lousy at it.

I also dig the level system's relationship with opening the game up to people over time - that you don't have this vast, messy list of options, weapons, mutators, and whatnot. It's a brilliant game overall, and there's not very much like it, IMO (other than the fact that, in terms of gameplay, it plays like a CoD title).

[Krayon]

To be honest, in the hype=reward argument, I put Halo 3 right up there with Daikatana. Halo 3 was a failure of a game on the enjoyment and entertainment value. Not only that, but I know people who went HD/360 just for Halo3 to come and find out it didn't even ship full HD.

Bioshock is a great game, but Halo3 is a piss poor game on all fronts personally. But of course, I always thought Bungie wasn't that great of a company when it came to instituting ideas. They're great on paper, but putting them in place they've always fallen short in my book. After Halo the games dropped in value, scope, and playability personally.

[whiptcracker]

He could have used 50 words and still had a vapid opinion, like your consideration of CoD4 as "archaic." The multiplayer maps are complex and exciting, the RPG elements (both leveling and custom classes) allow for considerable strategy and adaptation to individual player strengths and weaknesses, the barracks section challenges provide incentives to learn to use each weapon and vary your techniques - and best of all, its matchmaking and ranking systems are decidedly more complex than any other FPS I've touched...and I have all these opinions of it in spite of being pretty lousy at it.

I also dig the level system's relationship with opening the game up to people over time - that you don't have this vast, messy list of options, weapons, mutators, and whatnot. It's a brilliant game overall, and there's not very much like it, IMO (other than the fact that, in terms of gameplay, it plays like a CoD title).

Woah...it's matchmaking system is more complex than any other FPS you've played? I must be playing a different CoD4 than you since I've barely seen a match that well matchmade. I've seen multi-prestige players end up on one team while level 4 players thrown on the other. Halo's matchmaking system has it beat.

The single player game is the usual CoD game only with modern skins. But the storytelling was very well done, even if the story was generic. My biggest problem with the multiplayer nowdays is the connection issues the game has, and the fact that it reset e back a couple of levels recently. Even though CoD hasa great experience system the features on Halo 3's multiplayer, from creating custom gametypes, the stat tracking, and being able to quickly mute someone put it on top for me. Of course that's my preference.

But Halo 3's single player wasn't great. It was okay. The Cortana level especially was just designed poorly.

Bioshock has won some awards from various sites/shows. I don't see what's the problem.

[SL4IN]

Yeah, PC games for the win, nucca.

Shit, blue screen, let me reboot in safe mode.

Yeah.

yes, because your problems completely define everyone else's.

[mykevermin]

Of course that's my preference.

Ultimately all that matters. If GOTY honors meant something, then more people would have played The Legendary Axe on the TG16 (and why the bloody hell isn't it on the Wii VC yet?). Halo is great for multiplayer also, but I'm just not a huge fan of the feel of the game.

[VanillaGorilla]

I liked all those games this year!

:applause:

[whiptcracker]

Ultimately all that matters. If GOTY honors meant something, then more people would have played The Legendary Axe on the TG16 (and why the bloody hell isn't it on the Wii VC yet?). Halo is great for multiplayer also, but I'm just not a huge fan of the feel of the game.

I completely agree.

Besides, looking at all the nominees I think everyone would agree it was a pretty good year for gaming.

[cheezisgoooood]

Bioshock was awesome, and I hate to say it, but CoD4 and Crysis both win for me. I was a die-hard Bioshock fan before it came out, and somewhat after it came out too, but Call of Duty 4 has to be the best multiplayer game I've played in a very long time, and Crysis is just all-around awesome in every way (except in multiplayer).

[zewone]

yes, because your problems completely define everyone else's.
And your problem's with Halo define everyone else's, right?

[InuFaye]

zews ignorance to pc gaming is known.

dont matter cause zew dont pay for no gamez anyways.

ARRRRRRRRRR.

[zewone]

matey.

[Chacrana]

Shit, I wish the 360 had the luxury of rebooting in safe mode instead of straight-up dying.

[zewone]

RRoD > Vista

[InuFaye]

XP>RRoD.

Shit real gamers dont use that vista bullshit.

Unless you be spending way to much money on chew gaming pc that you dont mind the 10% performance hit.

[omgu8myrice]

Shit, I wish the 360 had the luxury of rebooting in safe mode instead of straight-up dying.

lol

[Unickuta]

Yes, but it deserves to be overrated; like Call of Duty 4, or Portal.

The one game I'm wondering where all the love has gone for, is Mass Effect. It seems to get ignored thanks to all the other great games being overrated.


Now, the OP is more concerned about awards. And in that case, COD4 is almost sickening in how much it is getting awarded. The linear level design, the frustrating "infinite respawn" sections, the cowardly "politically ©orrect" storyline, the god-awful broken checkpoint system they refuse to ever change. There's plenty to hate about that game, yet virtually nobody mentions it. And when other great games are getting snubbed thanks to it, that's even worse.


Halo 3 was forgotten for a good reason: it sucks.

Exactly, minus the Halo 3 part.

[Monsta Mack]

Bioshock is GOTY material but it doesn't have multiplayer, and most people these days don't replay a single player game these days regardless of replay value. Based on sales 90% of the people bought the game in It's first few weeks of release, so after beating it it got piled up on the finished pile.

Halo 3 is a mixed bag. You have quite a few people who are not happy with the changes made (or lack their of) in the multiplayer aspects and got tired of the game. It's also "slower" then CoD4 which is why most people jump to CoD4. Try playing both games and It's understandable why someone would chose CoD4 based on game speed alone. Both games have issues; Halo 3 needs weapon balancing and the melee system is rubbish. I think if weapons were more balanced and the melee system wasn't so broken I would have a hard time putting Halo down. One thing that can't be fixed is the speed, and if you prefer fast twitch shooting CoD4 is the way to go regardless of how good Halo 3 could have been. Hell, Call of Duty 2 in terms of aiming and shooting was the same as CoD4 was, just now you have more options. So in a sense if you liked CoD2 over Halo 2 you'll prefer CoD over any version of Halo.

Halo 3 single player was much better then that of Halo 2 but I seemed to enjoy the first the most. The ability to play co-op over Live trounces anything of FPS single player nature these days and most people seem to forget about that.

[jer7583]

Wait, what? Weapons are unbalanced? Halo 2 had balance issues with certain weapons being pretty overpowered, but I think Halo 3 has got to have the best weapon balance of about anything I've played. No weapon is without a situation or context where it is incredibly useful. If you're using the Gravity hammer from distance in an open area, that's not the game's fault that you die.

God, they even made the needler useful in the right situation in H3. Moreso than any other game, in Halo 3 I feel like I lose a battle due to my actions, not because of weapons or the game's imbalance.

Whatever. People can like what they like, but I'm also allowed to think that CoD4 is a boring game. Halo 3's matchmaking, replays, custom maps, and online co-op add so much to the whole experience. It's chaotic and filled with those "Holy shit did you see that" moments that make online shooters good (To me).

Theres no excuse for that terrible single player, though. My hatred for the invisible thresholds you need to cross to get enemies to stop endlessly spawning and that terrible "ghilled up" level's ending knows no bounds. I finished CoD2 on Veteran, but the only way I finished that level on hardened was to actually run from the ferris wheel to the other side of the area, find the room that enemies were spawning in, sit in there to keep them from spawning, and then pick them off one by one as they slowly made their way from their spawn areas to me, then dash to the helicopter until I didn't die doing it. I'll admit that I had far less patience for CoD4 than CoD2, because I just hated the whole experience, but that's still not something that good design would allow to happen.

The whole game is filled with random, trial and error sections that you might die doing 10-20 times before figuring out how to bypass the AI's strictly programmed routines and pass that section.

But Team Fortress 2 wins over everything. Forever.

[Old_School]

Bioshock: For art and story, hands down GREAT. Everything good story can be and the more mature the gaming industry becomes, the more games will become story driven. Artistically, I thought it was great. Games should aspire to be more, Bioshock does this.

Halo 3: I loved Halo, Halo 2 (why did I bother?), thus far Halo 3, liking it but have yet to complete it, but it's definitely worth playing in my opinion. Halo series is definitely a staple of the Xbox line as well as pop culture.

COD 4: Will be getting it for the online play and hope is stands up to all the talk. Looking for something more realistic. Jumping around the map with a Gatling gun bigger than you are, or running circles around your opponent while pumping them full of lead gets a little old (what Halo online is all about). At some point teamwork and unit cohesion has to be encouraged/promoted in these games, or why else play online?

Just my .02 thus far as I am still new to the whole 360 thang.

[Mr. Anderson]

Bioshock is the most overated game of the year.

[RelentlessRolento]

in response to the OP:

because.