Rondo of Swords

[Rei no Otaku]

A new title just announced by Atlus:

Rondo of Swords is an epic fantasy strategy RPG for the Nintendo DS coming to North America on April 15th, 2008.



Rondo of Swords combines an epic narrative, complete with a branching story and multiple endings, with an innovative combat mechanic that takes advantage of the DS touch screen and forces you to add even more strategy and planning to your attacks. Route Maneuvers allow you to hit all enemies in your path and enhance your attack or defense, while managing your Momentum Counter to gain stat bonuses and control who your enemies target becomes critical to success! Challenging gameplay, a lengthy campaign, deep party management, and customizable skills all come together to make Rondo of Swords a compelling fantasy strategy RPG package. Cleanse the sacred blade, protect the princess, and vanquish the oppressing armies of your enemy on your quest to deliver the Kingdom of Bretwalde from tyranny!
Trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tDhbHbb_tk
Site: http://www.atlus.com/rondoofswords/

Looks good. Kind of reminds me of Fire Emblem.

[squid]

Oh very neat. This looks like it might be a day one purchase. Thanks for posting!

[StinkyCheese]

looks like loads of fun. I never really buy ''serious'' RPG's, but this may be an exception. But whats an SRPG?

[Draekon]

Glad to see some info out on it. Saw it in the other thread yesterday and I couldn't really find any info on it. I don't even think GameFAQs had its english title in their database yet so I couldn't even find it on there at the time.


looks like loads of fun. I never really buy ''serious'' RPG's, but this may be an exception. But whats an SRPG?

Yeah, that's definitely a strategy RPG after viewing the trailer. Although it's definitely quite unique for a strategy RPG from what that trailer showed.

[rodeojones903]

Looks amazing. This will be a day one purchase for me.

[Rei no Otaku]

http://kotaku.com/367217/rondo-of-swords-+-a-new-approach-to-turn+based-strategy

I like what I hear in that preview. Atlus is going to own April...

[JEKKI]

yeay own my wallet...

I quit my job at the beginning of april man...

what the slut atlus?!?!

what the slut?!?!?!

[Vinny]

Yeah, hopefully the final product delivers on all the good things I've heard about the game.

[Josef]

I need a new strategy RPG on the DS and this will do just fine. Can't wait until mid-April!

[emg28]

Day 1 purchase. Love me some SRPGs .

[Dr Mario Kart]

Those grid lines strike me as being a lot heavier than they need to be for some reason.

[JEKKI]

ayayayayayaya~!!!!

one week to release so I gotta bump the hypeness!!

but I dont have the time to play this game :cry:

I stopped playing Days of Ruin once Apollo Justice came out...

so unless I can finish Crisis Core and beat Days of Ruin, I wont be getting this game yet...

but for the rest of you.... check THIS out:

http://insomnia.ac/reviews/ds/itsuwarinorondo/

[cletus]

I happened to find this review (http://insomnia.ac/reviews/ds/itsuwarinorondo/) which goes into more detail about various aspects of the game. I prefer really difficult SRPGs which require lots of planning and strategy. It looks like this will be a day one purchase for me too. I'll have to try to fit in time for it between Arcana Heart and Personal 3 FES. Atlus is quickly becoming my favorite game company right now.

[Cai]

Yes, insomnia.ac is a great website. Thanks for the link to the site, cletus, it's a wonderful review.

[JEKKI]

Yes, insomnia.ac is a great website. Thanks for the link to the site, cletus, it's a wonderful review.YOU'RE WELCOME!!

[JEKKI]

ayo I dedicate this one to all the muthasuckaz~!!

all the muthasuckaz dat try to SAVE DAT MONEY!!

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179418 thanks MidnightMetal!!

50% off a TRU come 4.20

get games, get high, get ice cream, get DAT MONEY!

you're welcome AGAIN!

[Josef]

ayo I dedicate this one to all the muthasuckaz~!!

all the muthasuckaz dat try to SAVE DAT MONEY!!

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179418 thanks MidnightMetal!!

50% off a TRU come 4.20

get games, get high, get ice cream, get DAT MONEY!

you're welcome AGAIN!

A huge thank you for pointing that out! I had no idea Rondo of Swords would be only $14.99 at TRU that week! Not to mention Baroque and Crisis Core at half price as well!

[Vinny]

ayo I dedicate this one to all the muthasuckaz~!!

all the muthasuckaz dat try to SAVE DAT MONEY!!

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179418 thanks MidnightMetal!!

50% off a TRU come 4.20

get games, get high, get ice cream, get DAT MONEY!

you're welcome AGAIN!

DAMN! Thanks a ton dude! I would've never seen that otherwise... plus, I can use my Atlus $5 Amazom coupon elsewhere!:D

Too bad it's only on one game though. I'd love to pick up Rondo and FFT, Crisis Core, and Baroque.:-(

[botticus]

Oh shit, I'm definitely getting this now. I was still kinda on the fence, but no hesitation for $15!

[rodeojones903]

Price match at BB here I come.

[slidecage]

Price match at BB here I come.

BB wont do a % price match has to say price

so the game would have to say 14.99 not 29.99 save 50%

at least here

[JEKKI]

the parade has unfortunately been rained upon :cry:

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, guys, but the add reads "50% off any one of these role-playing games when you buy Crisis Core FF VII". So you HAVE to get Crisis Core (at $39.99) to get Tactics, Baroque, KH II, DQMonsters OR Rondo of Swords at 50% off... a minimum investment of $55 or maximum of $60, which really is still not bad for two quality RPGs... If you do decide to get this, ask the cashier for your 'passport to savings' coupon, which will take $5 off your $25+ purchase.on the bright side, I save a bit of cash I guess...

[botticus]

:-( I'm still getting it, I think. Well, that or TWEWY, just gotta pick one for now.

[aminaha]

:-( I'm still getting it, I think. Well, that or TWEWY, just gotta pick one for now. same with me-probably get rondo cause se overcharges for their ds games-$40 ridiculous.

[slidecage]

game sounds too broken to pay 30 for it....

[DarkKnightCecil]

Hasn't it been getting average review scores lately (7's)?

[Vinny]

Hasn't it been getting average review scores lately (7's)?

GR only has 2 reviews thus far...
http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/939386.asp

NP only gave it a 65% which you should take with a grain of salt as NP is a really easy grader but generally favors Nintendo published titles. Play is pretty unreliable- it seems like they like games that look pretty.:-k

Regardless, not enough reviews to judge this yet.

I was thinking of getting TWEWY you screw the $40 price tag. It'll eventually hit $20 sooner or later.

[Poor2More]

I got Rondo for 24.99 Shipped with 2 day shipping, looks awesome, love old school art style

[botticus]

Purchased. I'll get impressions posted at some point.

[slidecage]

crap gamefly still dont have it meaning i be lucky to have it by next tuesday....

wonder why gamefly shows the pokemon shipping next weds when everyone gets it sunday.

[botticus]

It's so hard. Coming from someone who beat Etrian Odyssey.

I'll get some decent impressions up tomorrow when I have some time; played about two hours worth so far.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Theres Etrian Odyssey hard and then theres Etrian Odyssey post-game hard, which borders on stupid.

But EO has the option to level grind to make up deficiencies, something that is not always common in SRPGs.

[rodeojones903]

BB wont do a % price match has to say price

so the game would have to say 14.99 not 29.99 save 50%

at least here

They will do it for me. :D

[botticus]

Theres Etrian Odyssey hard and then theres Etrian Odyssey post-game hard, which borders on stupid.

But EO has the option to level grind to make up deficiencies, something that is not always common in SRPGs.
There is some semblance of grinding if you really wanna do it - if you choose to quit and retry a mission (before you officially fail), you keep your exp. But that would be annoying, I think. But helpful nonetheless.

[JEKKI]

game sounds too broken to pay 30 for it....your face is too broken for $30... ooooooohhh~~!!!

and got damn 7 is not an average rating!!!

I am on C25 in Days of Ruin... if I can beat this game soon then I can Rondo is up!!

[emg28]

I got Rondo for 24.99 Shipped with 2 day shipping, looks awesome, love old school art style

Link?

[Dr Mario Kart]

I think he means he used the $5 Atlus newsletter freebie on it at Amazon. I did the same thing.

[botticus]

Spent another hour when I should have been going to bed finally beating the mission I was stuck on last night. Although this game doesn't have permadeath like Fire Emblem, it makes FE look like a children's SRPG.

Healing items are few and far between (perhaps it will be less so once Errands open up and I can do some shopping), and even if you have them, most of them heal less HP than you'll lose on the next attack. Whereas in FE, a unit is essentially a wall, that is certainly not the case now that you and enemies can move through units. If you're not careful, or unlucky, you could get half of your team decimated in one attack. One thing to note, that took me a bit to figure out, is that while your allies will give you various stat boosts if you pass them in your route, this only occurs before they have taken their turn. If they have moved and then you pass them, you get nothing.

Be prepared to use the quit/retry function often. If your hero dies, or you fail any of the mission objectives, you get a game over screen and go back to the main menu; however, if you decide that there's no hope continuing, you can restart the level retaining the exp you had gained.

[slidecage]

Spent another hour when I should have been going to bed finally beating the mission I was stuck on last night. Although this game doesn't have permadeath like Fire Emblem, it makes FE look like a children's SRPG.

Healing items are few and far between (perhaps it will be less so once Errands open up and I can do some shopping), and even if you have them, most of them heal less HP than you'll lose on the next attack. Whereas in FE, a unit is essentially a wall, that is certainly not the case now that you and enemies can move through units. If you're not careful, or unlucky, you could get half of your team decimated in one attack. One thing to note, that took me a bit to figure out, is that while your allies will give you various stat boosts if you pass them in your route, this only occurs before they have taken their turn. If they have moved and then you pass them, you get nothing.

Be prepared to use the quit/retry function often. If your hero dies, or you fail any of the mission objectives, you get a game over screen and go back to the main menu; however, if you decide that there's no hope continuing, you can restart the level retaining the exp you had gained.

i think that was either nintendo power or egm major complant... the AI Is way too powerful.

[Poor2More]

I am really good at SRPG or Thought I was at least, I tried the first mission 4 times and can not escape to the southwest gate of the town.......Rondo of Swords is HARD!.....btw I canceled my Amazon.com preorder because they werent shipping it out until like 5 days after release, so i wouldent of seen it till 4/25-4/27 with 2 day shiping.

Instead I went to Gamestop and told them I dident like Etrian Odyssesy because it was too hard, low and behold the game I swap it for is too damn hard also....only $12 out of pocket for Rondo of swords :), they gave me full credit on the used price of Etrian Odyssey

[SeanNOLA]

ugh. WHY?! WHY ARE ALL THESE GOOD GAMES OUT NOW?! I have 4 DS games I haven't even started yet, but I want this one SO BAD! DAMN YOU GOOZEX!

[cletus]

It has been so long since I've played a challenging SRPG that I've forgotten how much fun they can be. This game is probably one of the hardest SRPGs I've ever played. Even Hoshigami or Super Robot Taisen OG2 were more tedious then actually difficult. It took me 6 tries just to beat mission 5 and I haven't even beaten the final tutorial level. I can type up my strategy for that mission if anyone is interested (there are 3 ways to win).

This game does get a bit easier once my heavy knight learned ZOC. By then I also got a healer which helps a bit. Even so, positioning is very important in this game. Since enemies go through you when attacking you really have to plan out where to put your characters. Plus half of my units can be killed in one hit.

I love this game. If you want a challenging without being cheap or tedious SRPG then you should definitely get this. I'll edit this part if the game becomes tedious or easy later.

Quick tip for recruiting hidden characters. Occasionally a character shows up on a map who won't automatically join. All you have to do is bring one of your characters next to them to talk to them. Sometimes you have to use a certain unit and sometimes you don't. Once you recruit them they will still be AI controlled but they'll be labeled as non-player characters rather then visitor characters. After you recruit them it doesn't matter if they die or not. They will still show up in your party after the stage.

Has anyone else noticed Izuna from that DS roguelike game is in this? I saw her on the game's site but haven't seen her ingame yet. Did the same company make both games?

[Dead of Knight]

Did the same company make both games?

Yes.

[JEKKI]

Hidden Characters and how to get them:

Hidden character list:

Stage 5 Ansom
Stage 7 Owl
Stage 9 Koten (* hidden stage)
Stage 10 Alhambra
Stage 11 Rukia
Stage 12 Elmer
Stage 13 Arios
Stage 15 Shino
Stage 17 Aegil
Stage 18 Yumiluna
Stage 18 Simon
Stage 19 Izuna (* hidden stage)
...
Route A
Stage 21 Garahad
Stage 24 Arishia
Stage 29 Alberich
...
Route B
Stage 21 Garahad
Stage 28 Naji
Stage 35 Alberich

How to recruit:

Stage 5 Ansom > talk with anyone
Stage 7 Owl > talk with Marie
Stage 9 Cotton > save all towns people stage 8 + clear stage 9
Stage 10 Alhambra > go close to big boulder + talk with Serdic
.....
Stage 11 Rukia > talk with Serdic
Stage 12 Elmer > talk with Selmer
Stage 13 Arios > if got Elmer talk with Serdic, if missed Elmer talk with Selmer. Serdic can also recruit him
Stage 15 Shino > talk with Serdic while Marie is alive
.....
Stage 17 Aegil > send Serdic to door east of start point while Marie is alive
(I heard that you can get Aegil at the end of the stage without the above but I have not tried)
Stage 18 Yumiluna > talk with Serdic or Margus
Stage 18 Simon > Marie talk with Serdic
(I'm not sure about the above since I always brought Marie to this stage and talked to Yumiluna with Serdic...and Simon with Marie... this seems to work as well)
Stage 19 Izuna > talk to Yumiluna with Serdic in stage 18 + Shino talk with Izuna
...
Route A
Stage 21 Garahad > talk with Igraine
Stage 24 Arishia > Serdic talk with Margus or Kei and send them to Kel?(city? name)
Stage 29 Alberich > save and talk with Serdic stage 19 + talk with Serdic
...
Route B
Stage 21 Garahad > talk with Igraine
Stage 28 Naji > Bring Aegil and send her to the open door
Stage 35 Alberich > save and talk with Yumiluna stage 19 + talk with Yumiluna
(I can't remember if this was stage 35 or 34...)

info courtesy of gamefaqs!!

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=939386&topic=42081007

EDIT:

this is the game for another one of the hidden characters in this game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItDmw-hCJMQ

more info: http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/cotton/cotton.htm

it seems like there's hella games in this series... and none of them came to US =P

does anybody kno if any of the other characters in the game are crossover from other games??

[Poor2More]

Damn why does that "Fantastic Night Dreams: Cotton" look fun

[Masterkyo]

My local BB did not cary this game. Hope it pop up later this week. Still have $20 RZ GC :)

[botticus]

Mission 7 is kicking my ass... might have to give up on recruiting one of the guys this playthrough.

[slidecage]

hopefully this comes tomorrow via gamefly...

next week going to be packed

by next saturday should get

this+ pokemon darkness + world ends withy you all from gamefly... + a few games off goozex and here

[JEKKI]

damn, so far it seems like team casualties are necessary to win??

that practice stage 10 was hella hard!!

I beat it coz the mage attacked my girl, but in killing her he also killed everybody else in the line of fire =P

[lawlflip]

Just got it today! Can't wait to play it.

[JEKKI]

ahahahaha~!! upon further play casualties are NOT necessary!!

it's all about baiting!! bait foolz to attack you!!

if an enemy attacks you by running thru you, stand your character at the farthest square the enemy can walk to,

if the enemy comes, he'll be in range for attack,

if he doesnt, then he will not attack you at all unless u attack first (I think...)

if the enemy is a ranged fighter, you will need sum1 who can stay OUTSIDE his attack range and still be able to run him over,

in other words use your horsie, I think his name is Kay. He gots 8 movement (most archers, mages etc have 6)

[lawlflip]

I couldn't escape from all those soldiers in the first mission. Hard, or is it just me?

[slidecage]

I couldn't escape from all those soldiers in the first mission. Hard, or is it just me?

i suck at this game... played it 30 mins and still cant get past this stage... talk about overkill LOL

[Josef]

I could use a good asskicking from a video game. I'll be purchasing this shortly :D

[botticus]

ahahahaha~!! upon further play casualties are NOT necessary!!

it's all about baiting!! bait foolz to attack you!!

if an enemy attacks you by running thru you, stand your character at the farthest square the enemy can walk to,

if the enemy comes, he'll be in range for attack,

if he doesnt, then he will not attack you at all unless u attack first (I think...)

if the enemy is a ranged fighter, you will need sum1 who can stay OUTSIDE his attack range and still be able to run him over,

in other words use your horsie, I think his name is Kay. He gots 8 movement (most archers, mages etc have 6)
Until you come up against longbowmen standing on elevated walls. :-( That mission is killing me.

[slidecage]

LOL im stupid. i couldnt figure how to attack. run threw people to attack.... only took me 33mins to figure it out,...

now on to stage 2.... seems like fun little game

rented this. Pokmon darkness and world ends with you off gamefly

get to keep all 3 titles to MAY 17 for 29.99

should be able to beat all 3 within a month cheaper then it would cost to buy 1 game.... + if i beat them faster or bored with them i can always send back to get another gaeme

got swords today should get Pokemon Thursday and World by saturday Going to be a very buzzy week

[JEKKI]

Until you come up against longbowmen standing on elevated walls. :-( That mission is killing me.I heard what you are supposed to do is send an archer to attack (since they can shoot after they move) and then use Marie's teleport ability to get them out of harm's way...

I'm currently at the stage where you're not supposed to let any ppl die so you can unlock a secret stage and recruit Cotton,

I sent Kay out on an errand... not a good idea coz after retry and retry I apparently need him badly!!

so... a couple more useful info for you guys;

Results of sending your units on smith/card missions (the missions without any reward)
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=939386&topic=42565042

Info on class changes
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=939386&topic=42653160

also another useful tip... every time you restart the mission you retain your experience and any used items will reset!!

this is an extremely broken way to level up, but I am not sure if these rules also apply when you restart the mission by changing your party and canceling errands

However, if you die then it's game over... I restarted stage 8 quite a bit changing my strategy each time but I finally chose a bad strat that got Serdic killed... all my new levels were lost

[slidecage]

does leveling grinding on this game do any good.. or is the AI based on your levels cant remember... though a review said grinding wouldnt work

[botticus]

also another useful tip... every time you restart the mission you retain your experience and any used items will reset!!

this is an extremely broken way to level up, but I am not sure if these rules also apply when you restart the mission by changing your party and canceling errands

It does, thank god. So you can actually do a hard save if you've retried three times and gained a couple levels.

I gave up on unlocking Rukia... shit's crazy hard. I finally survived the first salvo so I could actually finish the mission, but she ran off and got herself killed before I could talk to her.

[forgrim]

i recruited rukia by getting margus, killing the first two knights, and then parking margus at the front of the gate and knight codexing til the gates open, while sending serdic to the east with cotton. as soon as the gates opened, i would fall back towards where the rest of my army was battling the 4 knights on horsies, and then retreat east towards the serdic portion creeping up the right side of the map.

Cotton takes out the archers while serdic focuses on taking out the armored knight. They key to this strategy is not to move margus the moment the gate opens so that the next turn, the 3 thiefs near rukia go towards the gate, rather than rukia. if they go towards rukia, she's pretty much dead.

[botticus]

i recruited rukia by getting margus, killing the first two knights, and then parking margus at the front of the gate and knight codexing til the gates open, while sending serdic to the east with cotton. as soon as the gates opened, i would fall back towards where the rest of my army was battling the 4 knights on horsies, and then retreat east towards the serdic portion creeping up the right side of the map.

Cotton takes out the archers while serdic focuses on taking out the armored knight. They key to this strategy is not to move margus the moment the gate opens so that the next turn, the 3 thiefs near rukia go towards the gate, rather than rukia. if they go towards rukia, she's pretty much dead.I tried going around the right side once, but I suppose without Cotton to easily take out the archers (only had Ansom) anyone else going that way gets beat up by the time they get to the knight.

Luckily missing Cotton early on when I didn't know she existed means there's little point for me to be a completionist about that aspect this go-round.

[JEKKI]

Luckily missing Cotton early on when I didn't know she existed means there's little point for me to be a completionist about that aspect this go-round.that's why I posted the recruitable character list dood, that way you won't miss them.
Cotton takes out the archers while serdic focuses on taking out the armored knight. They key to this strategy is not to move margus the moment the gate opens so that the next turn, the 3 thiefs near rukia go towards the gate, rather than rukia. if they go towards rukia, she's pretty much dead.how do you use Cotton to attack the archers??

her attack range is 5 (base stats, I havent upgraded anything of hers) and she cannot attack after moving, archers have a range of 6...

Ansom can attack after moving also, unlike Cotton, so I rely on him to take out archers (with assist from Marie in the healing zone since it takes him two shots)

[botticus]

that's why I posted the recruitable character list dood, that way you won't miss them.I had already passed it by the time you posted :P

[slidecage]

Originally Posted by JEKKI
also another useful tip... every time you restart the mission you retain your experience and any used items will reset!!

this is an extremely broken way to level up, but I am not sure if these rules also apply when you restart the mission by changing your party and canceling errands


thanks for tip...didnt know items reset... now i can use the items if i must..

can you buy new items or just win them

[botticus]

Originally Posted by JEKKI
also another useful tip... every time you restart the mission you retain your experience and any used items will reset!!

this is an extremely broken way to level up, but I am not sure if these rules also apply when you restart the mission by changing your party and canceling errands


thanks for tip...didnt know items reset... now i can use the items if i must..

can you buy new items or just win themYou can sort of buy them. You can do a shopping errand and indicate your budget for each type of item - HP items, MP items, rings, medals, etc. So while you can't go into a menu and buy a specific weed, you can probably get what you're looking for.

Managed to recruit the available person in the last two missions, definitely not letting up on the difficulty at all. It's really compounded by not being able to see the attack range for archers and spellcasters.

Jekki, might want to edit your spoiler about how to recruit:
Stage 13 Arios > Serdic can also recruit him

[JEKKI]

spoiler edited and whooo I got Rukia!!

I basically did the forgrim method of using Knight Codex on Margus...

very long stage walkthru ahead:


I killed the first 2 opponents, moved Margus as close to the door as I could, and moved Ansom such that he would be able to attack the first archer on the right on his 3rd turn. I also moved Cotton right in front of the door on the 2nd turn.

on 3rd turn, began killing the two archers on the right (it takes 4 turns total). I also used Cotton to damage the knight on the far right of the castle door.

as the turns go on, while Ansom is doing his thing, I move Margus to the far right, right in front of the door, Marie right behind him (to support both him and Ansom with her 6-range Heal), and I began to move Cotton to the right side entrance.

all during this time, Alhambra and Serdic are chilling in the back waiting for the horsies to come.

once Ansom kills the 2nd archer, that's when the door will open and reinforcements will show up.

Alhambra and Serdic together can kill 2 of the horsies and move out of the way so the other 2 horsies wont be able to attack them. on the next turn, they should be in range to kill the remaining two. EASY!!

move Margus up 5 spaces and he should kill the soldier that Cotton hurt. This will also put him in position such that the 3 baby soldiers will come at him instead of Rukia. Move Ansom right in front of Marie and have him attack the soldier in range.

now this is the key point!!! Remember Cotton? She is going for the kill on the soldier chilling by the side entrance. Move her right within his movement range. f the soldier stays still, he can be killed in one hit with the Fire Dragon attack. If he moves back towards Rukia, you misplaced Cotton and need to restart.

if all goes well, Rukia can now be saved.

On the enemies' turn, Margus is going to get hit HARD! once that is over, use Ansom to attack the enemy he attacked the previous turn, that enemy's position should be right behind Margus. If so, proceed to move Margus back 5 spaces, he will kill the solder in his path and he will also be out of range from the other two soldiers. Use Marie and heal him.

Continue zoning your enemy. When he's free, move Serdic towards the right side entrance to meet up with Rukia, you shouldnt need him for the castle battle.

of the 3 threats Rukia was facing, she should have 2 of them on her tail thanks to Margus' distraction (one of them will remain fully focused on Margus). Rukia and those soldiers both have 6 MOV so they will never overtake her. Once Serdic reaches her, he should be able to handle them... but to be sure bring Alhambra too!

When all is clear, move Ansom up to the balcony-ish area and snipe the boss to death

EDIT:

also, experience tells me the shooting range of enemy archers is equivalent to their MOV.

[slidecage]

SOB i still cant get past map 5......stupid freakin archers. LOL

this is just sad if my army of 12+ level cant be up a army of level 6-8


love to find this game Sub 20

[JEKKI]

SOB i still cant get past map 5......stupid freakin archers. LOL

this is just sad if my army of 12+ level cant be up a army of level 6-8


love to find this game Sub 20that's the stage where u recruit Ansom right??

if I recall, there is only one problematic archer, the one standing in the right hallway, you will need Kay to beat him.

The archer has attack range 6 and Kay have 8 MOV, so if you position Kay just outside of the archers' range he can get one hit off him.

Kay may still take another hit since he will most likely not kill the archer,

but eventually if you talk to Marie she will begin to heal your characters so it's all good.

from there just bait the boss to come to you, and rush him with all your army...

also make sure to recruit Ansom!! he's my most powerful player!!

[botticus]

also make sure to recruit Ansom!! he's my most powerful player!!
I don't know what I'd do if I didn't decide that I should move next to him in that level after opening up the cell. He's currently level 22, five levels ahead of the next person in my party. :lol:

Somehow managed to recruit Shino last night... not sure how anyone else did it, but I decided to barricade myself in the choke point of the pass, where the only person that could be attacked was Margus. Easily healed him and took out anyone who managed to pass by his ZOC, until I just had a few archers to worry about. And then just tried to avoid losing everyone to the cavalry sweeping up behind.

[forgrim]

one thing i noticed about this game is when you level, the only real thing that goes up is hp (not including your mages) so absically u can take more hits, but you still can't be too inattentive. If your having a hard time, leveling a couple times won't help, leveling a shit ton will. when margus gets ZOC, the game gets retardedly easier, just stack defense items, and start codexing away.

also <3 cotton, she singlehandedly at the end of the game blows away on a regular basic 3-5 guys in 1 hit, and with her ridiculous high mana and hp, she's the toughest mage i have.

and what everyone said about ansom, the dude is a 1 man mage killer, a definite in every party. i dunno how far i need to go to beat the game, i'm on i think stage 30. hella hard game but hella fun.

[Nowell]

I'll be picking this game up today when I cash my check. Still undecided if I want to get TWEWY too, or just gamefly it. Srpg's tend to give me more gameplay, lord knows I still play FFT on my psp, and I've had it for months.

[JEKKI]

I just got to the stage where u recruit Ingraine...

seriously it's such a no-brainer simple stage, a very welcome change of pace for once...

prolly the last stage that was this easy is the stage where u get Alhambra

[slidecage]

that's the stage where u recruit Ansom right??

if I recall, there is only one problematic archer, the one standing in the right hallway, you will need Kay to beat him.

The archer has attack range 6 and Kay have 8 MOV, so if you position Kay just outside of the archers' range he can get one hit off him.

Kay may still take another hit since he will most likely not kill the archer,

but eventually if you talk to Marie she will begin to heal your characters so it's all good.

from there just bait the boss to come to you, and rush him with all your army...

also make sure to recruit Ansom!! he's my most powerful player!!

figured out the archers dont move on the left so just take the entire party right... you do run into a few archers but its not as bad as the left hand side...

funny thing is 4 1/2 hours trying to beat map 5

burned though map 6, 7. 8, 10, 11 (didnt do map 9 couldnt save everyone in map 8)

with pickin up all the people with no problem.

just waiting to run into another wall like map 5 soon though,.,,

love this game

[slidecage]

boom Map 14 is a $#$#$# hard... right after you get elmer... seems i need to level build again...

[cletus]

Has anyone found a use for the thief characters yet? They are melee characters that die in one hit which basically means they're useless. At least the ninja can hide. Right now I've been using Owl as my shopper and training the others rather then using them in battle.

It sucks that I missed Cotton earlier without even realizing it. I'm not going to restart so I'll just go for her in new game+.

[Wolfpup]

I couldn't escape from all those soldiers in the first mission. Hard, or is it just me?

i suck at this game... played it 30 mins and still cant get past this stage... talk about overkill LOL

This is NOT my game then :lol:

I did read one review that said the first mission is disproportionately hard though, for what that's worth. I was wondering if I could pick this up in the Toy's R Us deal...but no. I know lots of people like hard games, but I prefer it if at most I have to retry maybe a couple of times in the whole game.

[slidecage]

This is NOT my game then :lol:

I did read one review that said the first mission is disproportionately hard though, for what that's worth. I was wondering if I could pick this up in the Toy's R Us deal...but no. I know lots of people like hard games, but I prefer it if at most I have to retry maybe a couple of times in the whole game.

might be hard but it grows on you...... once i figured you run threw people to hurt them i got past stage 1 easy

on stage 13 right now (after learning pass threw to hurt)

stage 1 - 4 easy
Stage 5 major pain in the ass
State 6-12 sort of easy (didnt do 9)

Stage 13 once again major hard

i think there are 35 stages so its probally at least a good 30+ hour rpg game

[forgrim]

which one was map 14 neways?

by hardest and longest fight was most definetly the fight 32 or 33, (FUCK RESPAWNS)
edit 2: in fact, fuck the land of ice. ASPGOJASPFOJAPSFOJAS by far the dumbest mechanic i've seen in this game is clumps of 4 mages with magic ranges of like...10. dumbest frustrating thing ever.

edit: only thief characters i ever used was izuna and alhambra, the others just died as if they were made out of paper...those two have at least enough hp to survive 2-3 hits.

[JEKKI]

boom Map 14 is a $#$#$# hard... right after you get elmer... seems i need to level build again...that map is hella easy... just send alhambra and Kay on solo missions to kill mages one by one... they got 8 MOV while the max range of mages in thst stage is 6 (and maybe one dood with 7)

the hardest part is actually getting Elmer becoz Selmer will need to be strong enough to survive one attack... otherwise you're not getting him

[forgrim]

that map is hella easy... just send alhambra and Kay on solo missions to kill mages one by one... they got 8 MOV while the max range of mages in thst stage is 6 (and maybe one dood with 7)

the hardest part is actually getting Elmer becoz Selmer will need to be strong enough to survive one attack... otherwise you're not getting him

gonna have to learn this technique soon to survive the end stages...park a high hp tank in front of elmer and just sit there taking his hits til his mana is drained, then run selmer to him

[Dr Mario Kart]

Damn you guys work quick. My preorder with free Saver Shipping hasnt even arrived from Amazon yet.

[botticus]

gonna have to learn this technique soon to survive the end stages...park a high hp tank in front of elmer and just sit there taking his hits til his mana is drained, then run selmer to himThat's basically what I did. Margus was down between the two buildings south of him until I could get Selmer and a few other people within one move distance. Selmer recruits without getting attacked, and I have Kay or someone around to clean up anyone in the immediate vicinity.

Mission 16 is hard as hell. I was one turn away from taking out one of the guys, but no luck. Kinda wish I had decided to retry that one, lost a lot of good exp. The problem I've discovered with ZOC is that it sort of loses its effectiveness when he blocks someone, but they get randomly thrown ahead of him anyway because there's no space available next to him. Granted it works okay in that level since I can clean up those people with the guys I have hanging back, but still silly.

[forgrim]

yeah, the whole ZOC where the ppl are sent to god knows where is a big annoyance.

i still remember losing a stage since i used serdic to try to finish a 20 hp soldier, and he retaliated and knocked me into range of a mage who promptly one shotted me

[JEKKI]

gonna have to learn this technique soon to survive the end stages...park a high hp tank in front of elmer and just sit there taking his hits til his mana is drained, then run selmer to himI've been doing something like this actually...

I park Margus with either Selmer (Ice Spear) or Cotton (Thunder) behind him,

on my turn I use Marie to teleport him out of the way, use my mage to do a 5-range hella powerful attack, usually killing the 4 ppl in front of Margus,

then move Margus back in place! He has a lot of HP and DEF so I dont really need to recover his HP, and if I did I would have another dood on standby to use an item on him...

of course, this only works in narrow passages... such as the stage you get Shino at, or the stage that Botticus is troubling on (use this setup at the base of the bridge to defeat Ernest)

[botticus]

I've been doing something like this actually...

I park Margus with either Selmer (Ice Spear) or Cotton (Thunder) behind him,

on my turn I use Marie to teleport him out of the way, use my mage to do a 5-range hella powerful attack, usually killing the 4 ppl in front of Margus,

then move Margus back in place! He has a lot of HP and DEF so I dont really need to recover his HP, and if I did I would have another dood on standby to use an item on him...

of course, this only works in narrow passages... such as the stage you get Shino at, or the stage that Botticus is troubling on (use this setup at the base of the bridge to defeat Ernest)Didn't think about using Teleport/Ice Spear combo, might as well give that a shot. Though I don't think I've leveled it up enough to be that great yet.

[JEKKI]

yeay Ice Spear is strong but not that strong, I have it at lvl 3 or 4 I think, with a level 3 or 4 on Selm's Ice Magic damage,

I used him for the Shino stage coz since the opponents did not have enough MOV to get past my 6 man barricade, leaving him in the front of the chain was safe and I used him to cripple the line, send Alhambra out to finish the crippled soldiers, and teleport her back.

it's not safe to leave a mage in front of the bridge on stage 16 or whatever so I need Margus, and also I use Cotton since thunder is pretty much guaranteed death

[slidecage]

yeay Ice Spear is strong but not that strong, I have it at lvl 3 or 4 I think, with a level 3 or 4 on Selm's Ice Magic damage,

I used him for the Shino stage coz since the opponents did not have enough MOV to get past my 6 man barricade, leaving him in the front of the chain was safe and I used him to cripple the line, send Alhambra out to finish the crippled soldiers, and teleport her back.

it's not safe to leave a mage in front of the bridge on stage 16 or whatever so I need Margus, and also I use Cotton since thunder is pretty much guaranteed death

any help on stage 16... how do you clear this..im getting my ##4 kicked

[slidecage]

that map is hella easy... just send alhambra and Kay on solo missions to kill mages one by one... they got 8 MOV while the max range of mages in thst stage is 6 (and maybe one dood with 7)

the hardest part is actually getting Elmer becoz Selmer will need to be strong enough to survive one attack... otherwise you're not getting him

thanks...too them up there and got the win....

[forgrim]

i'm on the last boss and needless to say...its too fucking hard. i want to kill little kittens after facing off with him. just a note, to everyone still in midgame, get some gd dark resistance items or dark resistance crap cuz this. is. retarded. one shots everyone.

[JEKKI]

any help on stage 16... how do you clear this..im getting my ##4 kickedwell do you have cotton??

what I did was move Margus (with ZOC) at the base of the bridge, put Cotton right behind him, and had the rest of my party chillin to their left, so it was a 2 x 3 block.

The cavaliers and shyt will line up in a single file on the bridge and try to attack your party,but ZOC will prevent anybody but Margus form getting hurt.

on your turn, teleport Margus close to you with Marie, use Thunder with Cotton (it should kill all 4 enemies in range, assuming you have the attack leveld up), and since Margus hasnt used his turn yet he can move back into place.

keep doing this until everybody but the boss is dead, then bring your fighters to confront the boss (Ernest btw) and kill him, make sure your fighters can survive a hit from him btw.

If you dont have Cotton, your substitute would be Ice Spear with Selmer, but Thunder is WAY more powerful and it will take you twice as long to use this method with Selmer (unless u wanna get some of your fighters dirty, or if Selmer is at some really high level)

of course, you dont have time to waste becoz while you're attacking, the other boss is coming your way

[botticus]

I hope no one was able to beat #16 with all their units intact. The mage boss apparently has like a 10+ range, so as soon as he was in place directly north of the bridge, usually Marie or Selmer was toast (but at least it was an area spell so he'd hurt some of his own people too), and they were at least 3 spaces below Margus.

But hey, I beat it.

[JEKKI]

to me it seemed he only had 8 attack range...

regardless I havent lost a fighter since mission 8, and it was a deliberate part of my strategy for making sure all the townspeople survive so I can get Cotton in the next stage

like I replay stages, every time I lose a player I evaluate why I lost them... I try to figure out where my step was wrong and if I need to change my characters up

that's prolly why I enjoy this game so much, I keep trying to discover flawless strategies for each stage

[botticus]

to me it seemed he only had 8 attack range...

regardless I havent lost a fighter since mission 8, and it was a deliberate part of my strategy for making sure all the townspeople survive so I can get Cotton in the next stage

like I replay stages, every time I lose a player I evaluate why I lost them... I try to figure out where my step was wrong and if I need to change my characters up

that's prolly why I enjoy this game so much, I keep trying to discover flawless strategies for each stage
Yeah, I'm not hardcore enough for that. I save that sort of strategy for subsequent playthroughs. I lose at least one or two, and usually the majority every map. Part of that might be because I try to play through as quickly as possible assuming that number of phases has a large effect on your score.

And for Ernest... yeah, somehow his attack that killed Marie was far enough to inflict damage on the group of riders coming up from the south. That, my friend, is ridiculous.

[slidecage]

easier way to beat level 16 is run towards the other army... they will line up with your troops for an easy win.....

now map 18 how important is it to save those people in the middle who is about to get killed.. i can never get to them in time

[botticus]

Jekki, another edit for your unlockable character post:

Mission 18 - Yumiluma can also be recruited by Margus

I lucked into Simon; well, kinda luck, but I tried to force him to move where I wanted him to. Finally a level with no deaths! It's a bit easier to accomplish once you stop trying to move as quickly as possible.

[JEKKI]

I wonder if you even need to talk with Yumi & Simon to recruit them...

becoz ppl online are saying you only needed to talk to Yumi & u get Simon for free

but my theory tells me all you have to do is open the door... still I'm too lazy to test it out.

anyway, I got Izuna! damn her breasts are huge for a small game sprite!! whoo!!

and I'm at the branching point too!!

:saves two files:

It seems the branching point is the 2nd time I've noticed Marie suggest she knows Serdic is not the real Serdic.(there may be more moments btw... they prolly pop up during in battle conversations) Of what little story this game has, the point of it is supposed to be how Serdic is pretending to be the prince and nobody knows... except Marie I guess...

[forgrim]

i stopped playing after the final boss decides its funny to 5 shot everyone with one hit.

[Ryukahn]

I just read that this game has a new game + feature, but it didn't really say what it involves. Anyone know?

[JEKKI]

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=939386&topic=42657549


Carried over:

Serdic, Margus & Kei skills & their equipped items

All other recieved items, money.

99 Skill point start for any recruited characters (not including Serdic, Margus & Kei) in the previous game.

Quest Bonuses are reset.

All other skills are reset.

If I missed anything... opps.

[JEKKI]

arrgh~!!!

I just popped this game in for a bit, played thru a level...

I just jumped on my computer and looked at my recruit guide,

it seems I just killed a potential teammate... and saved my game!!

>_< and I've been so perfect up to this point too!!

GGPO Garahad... at least I can still recruit you on my other save file

[botticus]

:lol: I killed him too. I tried to recruit him without knowing if I could, but I had the wrong person, and he made it too much of a pain in the ass to do so. Now you're free to fail in recruiting others too!

[Dr Mario Kart]

I need some clarification on how the class system works.

My understanding is that there are up to two class changes available. Does your level reset to 1 in the new class? Also, are there level caps to the lower classes if you choose not to promote early?

I read something about the first class change being available once you hit level 15, and the 2nd once you hit 30.

[botticus]

You're correct, and I know little else. You don't go back to level 1 when you change classes. You'll be quite lucky if you can find enough class change items to do it at level 15 anyway, so odds are you'll be into the 20s before that happens. The linear way in which it is set up leads me to believe you'll have to do the first class upgrade before the second, regardless of when that occurs.

[JEKKI]

if you do not promote your characters, they begin to suffer from stunted growth as they level up so it's very wise to upgrade them as soon as possible once they reach lvl 15.

but only upgrade the ppl that you use since the necessary items are scarce...

the only ppl I've upgraded are Kay, Margus, Alhambra, Ansom, and I think that's it...

in regards to the 2nd upgrade, the word is that it's pretty much a NG+ thing becoz most ppl go thru the game without receiving any upgrade 2 items until the very end