Jan NPD U.S. Hardware/Software Sales

[Dr Mario Kart]

Hardware:

Wii - 274K
PS3 - 269K
PS2 - 264K
NDS - 251K
PSP - 230K
360 - 230K


Top 10 Software:

1. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare—Activision—Xbox 360—330.9K*
2. Wii Play w/ remote—Nintendo—Wii—298.1K
3. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock w/ guitar—Activision—Wii—239.6K
4. Rock Band special edition bundle—MTV/EA—Xbox 360—183.8K*
5. Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock w/ guitar—Activision—Xbox 360—182.7K*
6. Super Mario Galaxy—Nintendo—Wii—172K
7. Burnout Paradise—EA—Xbox 360—144.1K
8. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare—Activision—PS3—140K
9. Mario Party—Nintendo—NDS—138.5K
10. Mario and Sonic: Olympic Games—Sega—NDS—133K

* denotes unbundled versions, bundled versions, and any special editions (e.g. collector's editions)
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More to come as it becomes available (Roland?)


NPD Monthly Console Hardware Sales

Month | 360 | PS3 | Wii
Nov/2005 | 326,000 | |
Dec/2005 | 281,000 | |
Jan/2006 | 250,000 | |
Feb/2006 | 161,000 | |
Mar/2006 | 192,000 | |
Apr/2006 | 295,000 | |
May/2006 | 221,000 | |
Jun/2006 | 277,000 | |
Jul/2006 | 207,000 | |
Aug/2006 | 205,000 | |
Sep/2006 | 259,000 | |
Oct/2006 | 218,000 | |
Nov/2006 | 511,000 | 197,000 | 476,000
Dec/2006 | 1,100,000 | 491,000 | 604,000
Jan/2007 | 294,000 | 244,000 | 436,000
Feb/2007 | 228,000 | 127,000 | 335,000
Mar/2007 | 199,000 | 130,000 | 259,000
Apr/2007 | 174,000 | 82,000 | 360,000
May/2007 | 155,000 | 82,000 | 338,000
Jun/2007 | 198,000 | 99,000 | 382,000
Jul/2007 | 170,000 | 159,000 | 425,000
Aug/2007 | 277,000 | 131,000 | 404,000
Sep/2007 | 528,000 | 119,000 | 501,000
Oct/2007 | 366,000 | 121,000 | 519,000
Nov/2007 | 770,000 | 466,000 | 981,000
Dec/2007 | 1,260,000 | 798,000 | 1,350,000
Jan/2008 | 229,000 | 270,000 | 274,000
Total | 9,351,000 | 3,515,000 | 7,644,000

[InuFaye]

PS3 OUTSOLD 360????

Can you say TURNAROUND.

ALMOST CAUGHT THE WII!

[daroga]

PS3 OUTSOLD 360????

Can you say TURNAROUND.

ALMOST CAUGHT THE WII!'eh, 360s are kinda scarce at the moment. I wouldn't put too much stock in Jan numbers for either the Wii or 360.

I have to think Blu-Ray news helped the PS3. Kinda neat to see a semi-even playing field.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I cant say Turnaround. I can say Shortages though :)

[mykevermin]

Hardware:

Wii - 274K
PS3 - 269K
PS2 - 264K
NDS - 251K
PSP - 230K
360 - 230K


It sure was January, wasn't it? :lol:

[InuFaye]

Turnaround will happen.

Price cut at GDC.

40gig now 299.

BELIEVE!

[InuFaye]

How are the 360's scare?

Ive seen more of them then anything everywhere.

[InuFaye]

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t262/polyh3dron/reggiepopcorn.jpg

[Dr Mario Kart]

Seriously? The Premium & Elite have been short for quite some time. The Core/Arcade and Halo's are another story.

The reports are all over.

[The Mana Knight]

OMG at the PS3 numbers. :D If PS3 was #1 in January, you wouldn't want to imagine my face.

Overall though, very interesting month.

[Apossum]

can you say ASTERISK?

[InuFaye]

I saw a shitload of premiums/elites yesterday, and the day before.

I have not seen this epic shortage you talk of.

The wii is a different story.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I'm about to make a mint off TSE though. I sold boatloads of NDS at 480k and 360 at 290k. Cant wait till my shares are cashed out.

Note: This is mid-February. Not January anymore. I dont know how long into January it was actually a problem. We seem to be lacking a 360 representative that can give you more specific details.

[KingBroly]

NMH cracked 100k

[The Mana Knight]

How are the 360's scare?

Ive seen more of them then anything everywhere.There's no denying MS cut off a manufacturing plant (so they are down to two, compared to three).

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5019&Itemid=2

However, I still see some Xbox Pro consoles at Target, Wal-Mart, Best Buy, and most retailers I went to in January, but not several. I haven't seen a Wii anywhere since a week before Christmas.

[dafoomie]

Supply is going to be a little thin until the Jaspers are ready, it seems.

[whoknows]

I saw a shitload of premiums/elites yesterday, and the day before.

I have not seen this epic shortage you talk of.

The wii is a different story.
It's just so EPIC it's only happening in specific spots that you aren't at or maybe they restock just for you incase you want to buy one :-P

[InuFaye]

Im already on my 6th unit since launch I don't need a new one.

[Dr Mario Kart]

From the Neogaf Retail Musings thread OP: 1/20-2/2
360 - Entering week 3 without 360s, other than 2 arcades that we received. During this musings period, we received none, and therefore sold none. Needless to say, MS is retarded. Not in the Nintendo sense. Nintendo at least has incredible and unparalled worldwide demand to deal with. Microsoft has 1 strong territory to deal with and can't even supply that one well.

My recollection is that he works for one of the bigger big box retailers.

More from that thread:

Gamestop: 360 - Yeah, still sold out.


It certainly wasnt a Nintendo grade situation. But there were pockets of problems.

[whoknows]

Im already on my 6th unit since launch I don't need a new one.

6th? Fail.

Due to my awesome strategy I'm still on my first. That strategy being Don't turn it on :-P

Of course I'll be ignoring my strategy for a bit when I get Lost Oddyssey sometime.

[rodeojones903]

You can't blame anyone but MS for their lost opportunities. Its does seem quite pathetic that they can't even supply the one territory that has a large demand for their system.

[cochesecochese]

NMH cracked 100k

fuck yeah!

[botticus]

NMH cracked 100kI'm hoping so, but that number might be from VGChartz, so we'll have to wait on something more credible than an IGN mod.

[InuFaye]

Cag Knee Jerk Reaction:
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1927/goodps3newsye1.gif

[Trenchalicious]

Good to see that the 360 still rules America, you wouldn't know it considering how many people get bent out of shape over a Wii and then let it collect dust after a month or two.

[botticus]

NMH number is from VGChartz :-(

Good to see that the 360 still rules America, you wouldn't know it considering how many people get bent out of shape over a Wii and then let it collect dust after a month or two.Huh? You say this the month the 360 sells the lowest of every system?

[Trenchalicious]

NMH number is from VGChartz :-(

Huh? You say this the month the 360 sells the lowest of every system?


In overall sales in the USA my friend.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I will definitely be having a negative reaction any time a more expensive system outsells a less expensive one, regardless of the reason.

[botticus]

In overall sales in the USA my friend.You're referring to the 2.8 million unit lead it had before the Wii went on sale, I suppose, which has now been reduced to 1.7 million?

Looks like total software sales will be very close for Wii and 360 again this month, based on revenue.

[Dr Mario Kart]

sonycowboy sez:

I can ABSOLUTEY CONFIRM that every brick and mortar retailer is having issues with 360 HW inventory. It's not a cop out. However, there were regular shipments, just not big enough. If there were stock, I could easily see it going above 300k, but how much higher we'll never know.

[InuFaye]

I will definitely be having a negative reaction any time a more expensive system outsells a less expensive one, regardless of the reason.

You should be pissed with the wii outselling the ps2 and ds.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I guess should also be upset gba is selling so low these days. Good thing I keep the comparisons within the same generation and with portables and home consoles aside.

[jer7583]

The truth here is that PS3 had a normal month, which isn't really normal for them in non-holiday months, and 360, DS, and Wii didn't have enough stock after holiday shortages. Nothing to see here, folks. This is only a turnaround in the sense that now PS3 is selling closer what the competition does in 2008, instead of half what the competition does, as it did in 2007.

The Blu Ray coup certainly mattered as well, indicated by the lack of PS3 titles in the top 10.

I am just so vindicated that people seemed to overlook that awful Burnout Paradise: Underground shit.

[pimpinc333]

I also didn't know the 360 was rarish around my parts as well. I had a gentleman stop by today ( Sams Club ) to buy one of of few remaining 360's and he let me know that he has been everywhere to find a 360 but had no luck finding one. He said he found a Wii at K Mart but no 360's anywhere.. I found that a bit funny. :D

[rodeojones903]

Just to confirm 360's have been sold out at the Best Buy and GS here for a few weeks.

[mykevermin]

The truth here is that PS3 had a normal month, which isn't really normal for them in non-holiday months, and 360, DS, and Wii didn't have enough stock after holiday shortages. Nothing to see here, folks. This is only a turnaround in the sense that now PS3 is selling closer what the competition does in 2008, instead of half what the competition does, as it did in 2007.

Y'know why I love NPD numbers? Not because of what they reveal, but because all of us gamers can look at them and twist the numbers to support whatever console we seem to stand behind:

PS3: "It's catching up! It only sold a few thousand less than the Wii!"
Wii: "It can't stay on the shelves! That's why it's so low!" (a monthly favorite)
360: "Low stock at all stores! That's why it's so low!" (which seems to be true, but I can't quite figure out why that is the case - DURING the Christmas season, I could understand. AFTER Christmas, I don't.)

Three cheers for post-hoc explanations!

The Blu Ray coup certainly mattered as well, indicated by the lack of PS3 titles in the top 10.

Lookit #8.

I am just so vindicated that people seemed to overlook that awful Burnout Paradise: Underground shit.

Lookit #7.

EDIT: As for what's shocking, seeing Rock Band on the list is a shock (though it doesn't discern b/w the $60 sw and $160 bundle). Take on those Guitar Hero wankers!

[Dr Mario Kart]

DURING the Christmas season, I could understand. AFTER Christmas, I don't.)


During the Christmas season, units that are produced in December (for example) that normally wouldve been sold during January are express shipped to retailers.

They're not in that much of a rush to ship January produced units to quell a continued shortage, since sales are going to be low anyway. They go back to whatever production/distribution cycle they had before the holidays.

Basically, January stock is sold in December. Thats your explanation.

[jer7583]

Y'know why I love NPD numbers? Not because of what they reveal, but because all of us gamers can look at them and twist the numbers to support whatever console we seem to stand behind:

PS3: "It's catching up! It only sold a few thousand less than the Wii!"
Wii: "It can't stay on the shelves! That's why it's so low!" (a monthly favorite)
360: "Low stock at all stores! That's why it's so low!" (which seems to be true, but I can't quite figure out why that is the case - DURING the Christmas season, I could understand. AFTER Christmas, I don't.)

Three cheers for post-hoc explanations!

Lookit #8.
Lookit #7.


I rest my case. What position is the 360 version of PS3's only game on the list in? Where are the PS3 versions of the other 360 games on the top 10? and Why did Burnout Paradise debut at #7? Certainly not for lack of name recognition or exposure..

And all you really did was restate my point that 360 and Wii were low on stock for January. Thanks for driving that point home. Microsoft should have had more units out there, but then they're not really doing what we'd all think they should lately, are they?

PS3 finally had a January comparable to Januarys and early months in the year that the other systems have been having since launch. Only context makes this a victory.

[fuss]

LOL at the 360 fans with the 'but..... but.....but......but.......ummmm....oh ya......instock levels!! yeah...thats the ticket! INSTOCK LEVELS!!!

[daroga]

LOL at the 360 fans with the 'but..... but.....but......but.......ummmm....oh ya......instock levels!! yeah...thats the ticket! INSTOCK LEVELS!!!Yeah, really. People wanting to make sure everyone was on board with the truth? That's weird.

I've not seen a 360 in stock save or a stray Halo or Arcade system here and there since Christmas time. Remember how the DS just got restocked for the first time since Christmas on Sunday? Yeah, same thing. Complete stock-pile sellout tends to make for slow recovery.

[mykevermin]

During the Christmas season, units that are produced in December (for example) that normally wouldve been sold during January are express shipped to retailers.

They're not in that much of a rush to ship January produced units to quell a continued shortage, since sales are going to be low anyway. They go back to whatever production/distribution cycle they had before the holidays.

Basically, January stock is sold in December. Thats your explanation.

I can see that being the case, but I still think it's suspicious at any rate.

I rest my case. What position is the 360 version of PS3's only game on the list in? Where are the PS3 versions of the other 360 games on the top 10? and Why did Burnout Paradise debut at #7? Certainly not for lack of name recognition or exposure..

Oh, christ. What's the ratio of 360 consoles in the US compared to the PS3? Now what's the ratio of 360 COD4 sales in January to PS3 COD4 sales? HOLY CRAP THE 360 IS DOOMED!!!!

Get real.

Speaking of getting real, quit your incorrect post-hoc'ing that Burnout Paradise is a dud. Aside from the fact that 140K copies of a game is something that most developers would kill for (though admittedly not for this franchise), why don't you do yourself a favor and look up the release date for Burnout Paradise. You'll find that should substantially deflate your incorrect idea that consumers rejected it en masse; and that's not even beginning to deal with the idea that #7 in a monthly bestseller list for console game sales isn't chump change when you consider the competition.

I have no real opinion on the game (the demo was fun, I s'pose, but I won't buy the game) - but it appears to be a success for the 10 days it was on sale in January. February's sales will tell the tale of its longevity, though.

And all you really did was restate my point that 360 and Wii were low on stock for January. Thanks for driving that point home. Microsoft should have had more units out there, but then they're not really doing what we'd all think they should lately, are they?

PS3 finally had a January comparable to Januarys and early months in the year that the other systems have been having since launch. Only context makes this a victory.

Yes, context is important. Let's not be selective about context, then, shall we? ;)

[Monsta Mack]

In other news, according to VGChartz on 2/10/08 the Wii should have surpassed the Gamecube in WORLD WIDE sales in just over a year. Man what a failure that Cube was, and how much Nintendo has turned things around!

Sad to see the 360 in dead last, but with the shortages that doesn't surprise me. The rumors of the new xbox being out in two years, and perhaps a final fix to the RROD is the answer to weak supply? Nah ;)

[The Mana Knight]

Y'know why I love NPD numbers? Not because of what they reveal, but because all of us gamers can look at them and twist the numbers to support whatever console we seem to stand behind::lol: That's very true.

Just to confirm 360's have been sold out at the Best Buy and GS here for a few weeks.Like I said before, I still saw them at retailers, but not a lot. The retailer I did not see them at (Meijer), was out of PS3 consoles and just about everything.

[rodeojones903]

:lol: That's very true.

Like I said before, I still saw them at retailers, but not a lot. The retailer I did not see them at (Meijer), was out of PS3 consoles and just about everything.

Best Buy over here was sold out of PS3's for a little bit too.

[InuFaye]

Shortages?

Really?

I dont think so.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6560707
http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Pro-Value-Bundle/dp/B000W91YTA/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1203050524&sr=8-1
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8492838&st=xbox+360&type=product&id=1186003685732
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Microsoft-Xbox-360-Premium-Console-with-HDMI-882224380751/sem/rpsm/oid/190630/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=020253

5 Major Retailers with Xbox In Stock.

I dont want to hear shortage for xbox problems anymore.

[akilshohen]

wasn't the low stock for January? I think the fact that the 360 and PSP sold the exact same number would work into the theory that it was a shortage.

[whoknows]

Speaking of PSP I'm glad to see it's selling pretty well.

[akilshohen]

Double post, sorry

[The Mana Knight]

wasn't the low stock for January? I think the fact that the 360 and PSP sold the exact same number would work into the theory that it was a shortage.I don't really think that was the case, because PSP sold very close to 360 in December. Wii is also supply constrained and still continues to outsell the competition.

[pimpinc333]

Shortages?

Really?

I dont think so.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6560707
http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Pro-Value-Bundle/dp/B000W91YTA/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1203050524&sr=8-1
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8492838&st=xbox+360&type=product&id=1186003685732
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Microsoft-Xbox-360-Premium-Console-with-HDMI-882224380751/sem/rpsm/oid/190630/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do
http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=020253

5 Major Retailers with Xbox In Stock.

I dont want to hear shortage for xbox problems anymore.

We/I were/was talking localy. BB, CC, and GS in my area were all sold out according to your links BTW ;)

[dafoomie]

We/I were/was talking localy. BB, CC, and GS in my area were all sold out according to your links BTW ;)
Same here, and CC comes up OOS online as well.

[pimpinc333]

Same here, and CC comes up OOS online as well.

I just checked Amazon and they are sold out also....besides from amazon sellers.

[jer7583]

Even were this kind of "success" to continue throughout the year, it would probably take more than a year for PS3 to catch up, at that rate. Meanwhile, it's quite reasonable for 360 sales to start evening out, but software still is selling best on 360. Funny thing is, software even sells more on Wii than PS3. PS3=GameCube of this gen+Blu Ray.

Userbase blah blah excuses. Why don't they have the userbase? It's not an excuse, it's a problem.

[KingBroly]

The very puzzling question I have is why are the DS numbers so low? I don't think you can say the DS had shortages in January. I saw them everywhere, and in abundance too. Might just be my area, but I always saw at least 4 on shelves.

Also, the 100k on NMH was confirmed by some official guy's blog (In Japanese). Also something about 160k in European pre-orders for it.

[Dr Mario Kart]

The DS DID have some shortages here and there through at least some of January that was an extension of the shortages in December.

[tangytangerine]

PS3 OUTSOLD 360????

Can you say TURNAROUND.

ALMOST CAUGHT THE WII!

I'm more shocked that the PS3 finally outsold the PS2.

[zewone]

How are the 360's scare?

Ive seen more of them then anything everywhere.

No Premiums in my city.

My friend went to buy one for her boyfriend for Valentine's yesterday and she couldn't find any, anywhere.

She had to settle for a Arcade.

She said they only had Arcades and Halo editions.

[munch]

No Premiums in my city.

My friend went to buy one for her boyfriend for Valentine's yesterday and she couldn't find any, anywhere.

She had to settle for a Arcade.

She said they only had Arcades and Halo editions.

That's how it's been for me too. Only Arcades and Halos.

[KingBroly]

I'd like to say that Galaxy has had some shortages near my area. I've only recently started seeing them in abundance. Before, it was like 1-2 copies on shelves.

Oh, and Wii Play is the freakin' DEVIL

[InuFaye]

Funny how I can manage to easily find premiums around here.

It's probably because no one plays games around here.

[mykevermin]

It's funny how people seem to regard the Halo console as a thing of the devil itself. Why isn't it selling?

[InuFaye]

Ugly Factor.

[Thomas96]

When I used to work in retail... the slogan was... "Empty Shelves don't sell" So if MS can't keep their systems on the shelf then that's their loss.

The biggest factor for the PS3 is that it was able to outsell the PS2.

[Midnite]

I know a few of the Best Buys in my area all had massive store displays of PS3 entering January and a couple Core and Halo 360s lying around. After the Warner Bros Blu-Ray announcement those massive displays dwindled down to a 4-7 units and then by the end of the month I would see maybe 1 or 2 on display at Best Buy. Also I'm seeing more and more people in the BLU section now.

I'm just now starting to see DS's and PSP's back in stock around my area, still no 360s and or Wiis.

[Kendal]

Wiis, 360s and DSeseseseseseseses are all hard to find in my immediate area. I haven't seen a Wii in the wild in over a year. DS has been scarce since Christmas and 360 is hit and miss here. I can't say for all the stores in my area, but the ones I frequent are low on these systems. I plan on getting a Slim PSP soon. So add one PSP sale in the next month or two for me. XD

[munch]

I saw a guy carrying a Wii at Target the other day. He got the last one.

Does anyone else find it interesting that GHIII is selling so well for the Wii?

[InuFaye]

When Charana's Sister is Buying it...
http://i30.tinypic.com/rm7gh2.jpg

No, Not at All.

[jer7583]

It's funny how people seem to regard the Halo console as a thing of the devil itself. Why isn't it selling?

Way overpriced, and ugly. If it had included the game and microsoft weren't such cheap bastards it'd be flying off shelves too, I think.

[insertcleverthing]

I'm still trying to figure out why a person becomes a fanboy for a piece of hardware...

[mykevermin]

I saw a guy carrying a Wii at Target the other day. He got the last one.

Does anyone else find it interesting that GHIII is selling so well for the Wii?

I only find it interesting because it's one of few examples of multiplatform third party software (redundant, I know) selling well for the Wii, when given its market presence, more should. The question to be asked isn't "are you surprised," (because you shouldn't be), but "why GHIII, and not _____?" or "what is GHIII doing right that it's selling well on the Wii?"

[Snake2715]

Myke,

above and beyond the "casual" statement is I think the Wii fits what Guitar hero is doing well. People wanted other ways to control games, guitar hero fits that. Its regardless if its a casual game or not.

I have never played any guitar hero's but I may eventually try one out.

[Zen Davis]

I think that the PS3 will eventually catch up with the 360 should this looming 'HD-DVD' is dead announcement come to fruition. I think this is what Sony has been waiting for all along and when it happens, PS3 sales will skyrocket all around the world. People will buy the console mainly for the Blu-ray player, but when that happens, software developers will start to shift over more and more to the console.

Should the console drop to $299 this year, I wouldn't be surprised if the PS3 started selling a million consoles every month.

[mykevermin]

Wal-Mart is confirmed to drop HD DVD by June. Take that how you will.

...I think that the PS3 will be more attractive once its movie playback is viewed as "the next step," rather than "maybe that, or maybe HD DVD." But a million a month each month? I'm not believing that.

[Zen Davis]

I said at $299. It'll end up being the PS2 all over again.

[InuFaye]

Maybe at 199 they can move A million a month.

1 million at 299 is kinda crazy.

[Zen Davis]

Didn't the 360 do a million units in a month?

[mykevermin]

Once or twice, like the Wii. Not consistently from month to month.

[Zen Davis]

I meant worldwide. Sorry for not being more specific. In the states, I think it'll sell better than the 360 is selling right now but a little worse than the Wii.

[InuFaye]

At Xmas time.

[dallow]

The best news here is NMH selling above 100K.

Thanks Zew.

[torifile]

Comparisons to the other consoles notwithstanding, the PS3 is doing remarkably well compared to how it was doing before. Double its "normal" month's sales. This is very good news for PS3 users.

I also think that this shows that there is room in this generation for 3 successful consoles. The Wii with its casual gamer slant, the 360 with its impressive software library and the PS3 with its truly next gen system and multi-entertainment purposes.

In terms of sheer "gaming" the 360 will win. In terms of units sold, the Wii will win. And in terms of multi-use systems, the PS3 will win. It's a good time to be a gamer. :)

[Dr Mario Kart]

I think you're overestimating the effect of lowering the price of a console to the LAUNCH CEILING PRICE of past competitive consoles.

[torifile]

I think you're overestimating the effect of lowering the price of a console to the LAUNCH CEILING PRICE of past competitive consoles.
Am I? Doubling of the sales from previous (non-holiday) months is insignificant?

[zewone]

The best news here is NMH selling above 100K.

Thanks Zew.

No problem.

Game is dope.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Its less a sign of how well they are doing now and more a sign of how bad they were doing before.

[torifile]

Its less a sign of how well they are doing now and more a sign of how bad they were doing before.
So you first argue that I'm overestimating the effects of the price drop - which led to a doubling of sales - and when I call you out on it, you shift your argument to history? That's very weak. Try again. (That type of debate tactic may work on some of the youngens on this board, but not on me...)

We all knew the PS3 was off to an abysmal start. The fact remains it's doubled its sales and there's no reason for it to slow down. Supplies aren't constrained, they've got the Blu-Ray news on their side and the things are only going to get cheaper.

(on another note, it's selling as well as the 360 did at this point in its life cycle and the PS3s Jan numbers are better than 6 of the past 12 months for the 360 even if you don't count the 360's "supply constrained" month of Jan 2008.)

[Apossum]

The best news here is NMH selling above 100K.

Thanks Zew.


I thought the official number was 65k. In any case, that's probably more than Killer 7 has sold total!

[hufferstl]

Please let this be true.....so I can pick up a 360 when they go 249 for a premium.....

Turnaround will happen.

Price cut at GDC.

40gig now 299.

BELIEVE!

[dallow]

I thought the official number was 65k. In any case, that's probably more than Killer 7 has sold total!The dev president said something like 100K for the US, and 100K+ pre-orders in Europe.

In any case, yes! Bigger than Killer 7. :)

[Dr Mario Kart]

Nov/2005 | 326,000 | |
Dec/2005 | 281,000 | |
Jan/2006 | 250,000 | |
Feb/2006 | 161,000 | |
Mar/2006 | 192,000 | |
Apr/2006 | 295,000 | |
May/2006 | 221,000 | |
Jun/2006 | 277,000 | |
Jul/2006 | 207,000 | |
Aug/2006 | 205,000 | |
Sep/2006 | 259,000 | |
Oct/2006 | 218,000 | |
Nov/2006 | 511,000 | 197,000 | 476,000
Dec/2006 | 1,100,000 | 491,000 | 604,000
Jan/2007 | 294,000 | 244,000 | 436,000
Feb/2007 | 228,000 | 127,000 | 335,000
Mar/2007 | 199,000 | 130,000 | 259,000
Apr/2007 | 174,000 | 82,000 | 360,000
May/2007 | 155,000 | 82,000 | 338,000
Jun/2007 | 198,000 | 99,000 | 382,000
Jul/2007 | 170,000 | 159,000 | 425,000
Aug/2007 | 277,000 | 131,000 | 404,000
Sep/2007 | 528,000 | 119,000 | 501,000
Oct/2007 | 366,000 | 121,000 | 519,000
Nov/2007 | 770,000 | 466,000 | 981,000
Dec/2007 | 1,260,000 | 798,000 | 1,350,000
Jan/2008 | 229,000 | 270,000 | 274,000
Total | 9,351,000 | 3,515,000 | 7,644,000I dont see the problem with saying that it is weak when doubling their sales just puts them up to what everyone else is selling. Weak before. Not as mindnumbingly weak now, but still weak.

Theres a saying: Even a dead cat can bounce, which was used when the sales for 360 or PS3 in Japan would have a large percentage increase for no particular reason.

And there is a very good reason for the PS3 to slow down. That being that everyone that isnt the market leader ALWAYS slows down. Why? Because more and more development gets piled up behind EARLY marketshare. So basically, if they dont slow down, it can only be because they are going to take #1.

[mykevermin]

I dont see the problem with saying that it is weak when doubling their sales just puts them up to what everyone else is selling. Weak before. Not as mindnumbingly weak now, but still weak.

Theres a saying: Even a dead cat can bounce, which was used when the sales for 360 or PS3 in Japan would have a large percentage increase for no particular reason.

And there is a very good reason for the PS3 to slow down. That being that everyone that isnt the market leader ALWAYS slows down. Why? Because more and more development gets piled up behind EARLY marketshare. So basically, if they dont slow down, it can only be because they are going to take #1.

That's not what "dead cat bounce" refers to. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_bounce) A substantial decline is necessary first, followed by a small uptic (almost like a spasm).

[Dr Mario Kart]

This is if you align the launches of the 360 & PS3, so you can see what is happening during that same time frame: (1st line will be Nov 05 for 360, Nov 06 for PS3)

360 PS3
Nov/05/06 | 326,000 | 197,000 |
Dec/05/06 | 281,000 | 491,000 |
Jan/06/07 | 250,000 | 244,000 |
Feb/06/07 | 161,000 | 127,000 |
Mar/06/07 | 192,000 | 130,000 |
Apr/06/07 | 295,000 | 82,000 |
May/06/07 | 221,000 | 82,000 |
Jun/06/07 | 277,000 | 99,000 |
Jul/06/07 | 207,000 | 159,000 |
Aug/06/07 | 205,000 | 131,000 |
Sep/06/07 | 259,000 | 119,000 |
Oct/06/07 | 218,000 | 121,000 |
Nov/06/07 | 511,000 | 466,000 |
Dec/06/07 | 1,100,000 | 798,000 |
Jan/07/08 | 294,000 | 270,000 |

[Dr Mario Kart]

That's not what "dead cat bounce" refers to. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_bounce) A substantial decline is necessary first, followed by a small uptic (almost like a spasm).
Thats not quite the way I use the phrase, but we can consider the PS2 as a place to fall from if that makes it better :)

[ryanbph]

I don't quite get your last chart...if you are using green to show who won the comparable battle for those months based off of launch date. Then your last one is incorrect going by the numbers you have there. You show the jan 06 xbox # at 294,000 with the 07 ps3 at 270,000

[Dr Mario Kart]

woops. Something mustve gone wrong when I was doing the reformatting. Hold on.

Edit: Got it. Numbers were right, dates were wrong.

[mykevermin]

Nope. The phrase has a pretty clear meaning that doesn't apply here, IMO.

Now if Wii sales plummet (which I don't see happening, but just entertain the thought for a moment) to April-June 2006 PS3 numbers, rise up to the Wii mean for a month, and then return to 80K a month, then that rise would be a 'dead cat bounce.'

But when sales are meager to begin with, I'm not certain what phrase an economist would use when a slight uptic occurs.

It's interesting to think that GC/Wii and PS2/PS3 sales trends may very well be evidence of a role reversal (i.e., PS3 sales trends resembling GC more closely than PS2, and Wii sales trends resembling PS2 more than GC).

You enjoy that stuff, so make it happen if you haven't already.

[Dr Mario Kart]

FINE. A stillborn cat can still fly when kicked from the ground!

[mykevermin]

I LIKE IT. Copyright the phrase before Steven Levitt or some other asshole takes it.

[torifile]

And there is a very good reason for the PS3 to slow down. That being that everyone that isnt the market leader ALWAYS slows down. Why? Because more and more development gets piled up behind EARLY marketshare. So basically, if they dont slow down, it can only be because they are going to take #1.
I think this gen of consoles is proving to be different. I could be wrong, but, as I said above, these 3 are not the same type of machine. They all excel at different things. And I think there's room enough for all 3 to do well.

This situation is different from the previous gens when you had 2 or 3 consoles basically fighting over the "gaming" crown. There were no real differences at the end of the day. You'd be nuts to say that the same is true this generation.

[jer7583]

Every system this gen has every reason to thrive. Wii with new gamers/casuals/nintendo fans, 360 with traditional game buyers, and PS3 with people who want Blu Ray.

Guess which one of those doesn't equate to software sales or 3rd party confidence? When was the last time you saw a PSP game in the top 10?

[Monsta Mack]

PS2 is gonna overtake PS3 this month or next by a good amount once the price hits $99 (I am actually regretting not getting a new PS2 with singstar for $100 this morning as my current system is dying and I have no interest in the PS3. doh.)

[torifile]

Every system this gen has every reason to thrive. Wii with new gamers/casuals/nintendo fans, 360 with traditional game buyers, and PS3 with people who want Blu Ray.

Guess which one of those doesn't equate to software sales or 3rd party confidence? When was the last time you saw a PSP game in the top 10?
Both the PS3 and the Wii have a lot to prove when it comes to game support.

[jer7583]

Both the PS3 and the Wii have a lot to prove when it comes to game support.

Support follows sales. How many months had PS3 games in the top 10 last year? How many months had Wii titles (even if you don't count Wii Play) in the top 10?

[torifile]

Support follows sales. How many months had PS3 games in the top 10 last year? How many months had Wii titles (even if you don't count Wii Play) in the top 10?
How many of those top 10 titles were 3rd party?

[jer7583]

How many of those top 10 titles were 3rd party?

So, you're saying it's a better situation if the console maker itself can't even break the top 10 with their games, besides one launch title?

[torifile]

So, you're saying it's a better situation if the console maker itself can't even break the top 10 with their games, besides one launch title?
I'm merely talking in terms of software support. I suggested that both the Wii and PS3 have a lot to prove. Neither the Wii nor the PS3 are really doing anything to "prove" that they're great gaming platforms for developers.

[Thomas96]

I'm merely talking in terms of software support. I suggested that both the Wii and PS3 have a lot to prove. Neither the Wii nor the PS3 are really doing anything to "prove" that they're great gaming platforms for developers.

I don't agree with that comment.

Nintendo doesn't have to prove anything to the devs, their system is the number one selling console, and its really up to the developers to figure out what games the user base wants to buy on their Wii. Problem is, if you keep flooding the market with shovelware, it'll make people buy games on other platforms, and convince people to stick with first party games. Its the same situation with periphreals. who's going to buy a 3rd party accessory when you know that they usually end up being crap.


I think I have to agree with you in regards to Sony having to prove to devs that their ps3 is a great gaming platform. Sony needs to show that they have a strong user base, by having strong sales. If Sony's exclusives do well, then more devs will start to port their projects over to the ps3. But I think in some ways Sony has proven to devs that the ps3 is a great system. EA recently mentioned to the media that they felt that the PS3 is going to have strong sales.
People make decisions based off market predictions, not current market status.