Accomplishments: Sony's Achievements (pics)

[RelentlessRolento]

This is from warhawk.

it's also been reported already by some sony officials already that accomplishments are a real deal:

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[zewone]

That can't be real.

It's too stupid.

[RelentlessRolento]

That can't be real.

It's too stupid.

About a couple of weeks ago sony answered some questions from a few Home Beta users and answered that Accomplishments were being rolled out soon.

[zewone]

The name is very stupid and they copied the 360 achievement box to a T.

Surreal.

[BigHerm]

yeah id rather them bite in game messaging from XBL not whack ass achievements

[Rusty Ghia]

I still don't get the fascination of getting a random number next to your name. Now, if you could do something with Achievements or Accomplishments, like trade them in for downloadable games, then I'd care.

[RelentlessRolento]

I still don't get the fascination of getting a random number next to your name. Now, if you could do something with Achievements or Accomplishments, like trade them in for downloadable games, then I'd care.

From what past E3s have stated from sony, it seems that sony will not be doing numbers but actual trophies and Home items to show off. Personally I like it that way more than points.

[ryanbph]

personally I like to have the points rather then a trophy in home. I have no interest in home, and having a trophy room for a ps3 consumer like me would be pointless. I also believe home is the most over hyped and most useless product the ps3 is pushing. On the player one podcast a couple of weeks ago, it was mentioned that NO one was online in the home beta. Not a single person on a friday night.

[RelentlessRolento]

personally I like to have the points rather then a trophy in home. I have no interest in home, and having a trophy room for a ps3 consumer like me would be pointless. I also believe home is the most over hyped and most useless product the ps3 is pushing. On the player one podcast a couple of weeks ago, it was mentioned that NO one was online in the home beta. Not a single person on a friday night.

There's a reason why it's called closed beta. wait till it's open.

also, for people who don't like points, like me prefer sony's way. To be honest, I usually would unlock the achievements on my 360 to get to see the pics since they feel like medals. the points are just the extra sugar.

[metaly]

Some achievement/gamerscore musings I've had in the back of my head since getting my Xbox...

Achievements fascinate me because I like seeing what tasks and accomplishments developers considered achievement-worthy. It's also sort of fun seeing what friends have achieved, much like everyone used to compare high scores and stuff like that. I'm glad Sony is at least incorporating that component, although it'll be nice if there's a centralized place to look at achievements instead of having to go visit someone's Home apartment.

I also really like that half the achievements in Mass Effect give you real gameplay bonuses the next time you play. I don't think I'd go out of my way to earn most achievements just for show, but Bioware's provided some real incentive.

Gamerscore, on the other hand, is pretty pointless (boo) at the moment because the developers can assign arbitrary values to each achievement. As an extreme example, you get 30 points for reaching a job's maximum level in Final Fantasy XI, which takes an absurd amount of time. If they tossed out the 1000-point-per-game rule and created some kind of impartial committee that handed out achievement points, gamerscores could be just as interesting as achievements. But of course that's crazy and will never happen.

[The Mana Knight]

personally I like to have the points rather then a trophy in home. I have no interest in home, and having a trophy room for a ps3 consumer like me would be pointless. I also believe home is the most over hyped and most useless product the ps3 is pushing. On the player one podcast a couple of weeks ago, it was mentioned that NO one was online in the home beta. Not a single person on a friday night.Forget it. Points are stupid IMO because there's nothing you can do with them. Someone can get a lot of points by playing tons of easy/crappy games just to top people. I rather play games and get something that has value, like a sword from an RPG trophy, trophy to fighters in a fighting game, etc. That just seems much more interesting and personal. There's no way I want a terrible game's trophies in my home.

[whoknows]

That can't be real.

It's too stupid.

I know. Why would they make it all blurry and hard to read? When I get an accomplishment I want to know what it is

[RelentlessRolento]

Forget it. Points are stupid IMO because there's nothing you can do with them. Someone can get a lot of points by playing tons of easy/crappy games just to top people. I rather play games and get something that has value, like a sword from an RPG trophy, trophy to fighters in a fighting game, etc. That just seems much more interesting and personal. There's no way I want a terrible game's trophies in my home.

Well, put.

Before I ever owned a 360 a long while ago I thought the points I got from Achievements were usable to buy XBLA games... man was I wrong...

[Ikohn4ever]

Sony takes what the world makes

[torifile]

I liked achievements on the 360. I had no interest in the gamer score part of it, but I enjoyed playing a game until I unlocked all the achievements I could. Kinda like the skill points in R&C. No real purpose (but what the "real purpose" in playing video games anyway??), but fun to try to get.

[Blackout]

Sony takes what the world makes

Yeah but if they didn't, everyone would be like "360 rules it has achievements PS3 doesn't". I'd rather them copy the good stuff and put their own spin on it than what they have going right now.

[Corvin]

Wow that's fucked up. It's one thing to steal an idea but on a whole other level when you copy the same exact design. Amazing.

[Thomas96]

I think that its going to be nice to have accomplishments, I mean damn its not you have to pay to access them, or make use of them. Having this plus in game XMB for free definitely doesn't make me want to go and pay for another service.. helll nawww.

[zewone]

What makes trophies so great?

They'll be just as useless as points, even more so.

"Oh, people can look at my trophies I have showcased in my Home!"

Really? Who the fuck is going to do that?

To do that, they would have to sign in to PSN. Then, boot up Home. Then, sign into that. Then, they would either walk, or teleport with their virtual PSP to your Home. Then, you have to be online, signed into Home to let them in to even look at the stupid trophies, that no one cares about and they probably have the same stupid trophy in their Home.

Or maybe then can break into your house or look through the window if you have them in view.

[NamPaehc]

I think that its going to be nice to have accomplishments, I mean damn its not you have to pay to access them, or make use of them. Having this plus in game XMB for free definitely doesn't make me want to go and pay for another service.. helll nawww.

Lol, I was just about to type the same thing. Free + Extra things to go = Cool to me.

[whoknows]

Sure is a lot of bitching for something that's free.

I mean, it's not like Sony is doing this and no one wants it. People asked for it and Sony is delivering their version of it. It's not a big deal to me, I don't give two shits about it on the 360 and I doubt I will on the PS3. I'm not going to complain about it being added though.

[pimpinc333]

Sure is a lot of bitching for something that's free.

I mean, it's not like Sony is doing this and no one wants it. People asked for it and Sony is delivering their version of it. It's not a big deal to me, I don't give two shits about it on the 360 and I doubt it will on the PS3. I'm not going to complain about it being added though.

It's funny that their version is the same exact one MS used 2 years ago ;)

[TimPV3]

Put this into perspective, Achievements are something you Accomplished. Sony just cuts out the thesaurus.

[SteveMcQ]

What makes trophies so great?

They'll be just as useless as points, even more so.

"Oh, people can look at my trophies I have showcased in my Home!"

Really? Who the fuck is going to do that?

To do that, they would have to sign in to PSN. Then, boot up Home. Then, sign into that. Then, they would either walk, or teleport with their virtual PSP to your Home. Then, you have to be online, signed into Home to let them in to even look at the stupid trophies, that no one cares about and they probably have the same stupid trophy in their Home.

Or maybe then can break into your house or look through the window if you have them in view.What he said.

And :lol: at the name.

[Thomas96]

What makes trophies so great?

They'll be just as useless as points, even more so.

"Oh, people can look at my trophies I have showcased in my Home!"

Really? Who the fuck is going to do that?

To do that, they would have to sign in to PSN. Then, boot up Home. Then, sign into that. Then, they would either walk, or teleport with their virtual PSP to your Home. Then, you have to be online, signed into Home to let them in to even look at the stupid trophies, that no one cares about and they probably have the same stupid trophy in their Home.


Or maybe then can break into your house or look through the window if you have them in view.

NO offense, but howabout you quit bitchin' you called it stupid 3 times; lets just try it out first and see how it is.

[whoknows]

It's funny that their version is the same exact one MS used 2 years ago ;)

Doesn't bother me. It's not like I created the idea of achievements and Sony is copying it from me :-P

[zewone]

Apostrophes are nice.

[RelentlessRolento]

What makes trophies so great?

They'll be just as useless as points, even more so.

"Oh, people can look at my trophies I have showcased in my Home!"

Really? Who the fuck is going to do that?

To do that, they would have to sign in to PSN. Then, boot up Home. Then, sign into that. Then, they would either walk, or teleport with their virtual PSP to your Home. Then, you have to be online, signed into Home to let them in to even look at the stupid trophies, that no one cares about and they probably have the same stupid trophy in their Home.

Or maybe then can break into your house or look through the window if you have them in view.


You forget it's not only trophies. It's items usable in Home (ie. clothing, shirts, icons, access to areas in home, products, new software) as well as in other games and/or the respective game it was unlocked in.

[pimpinc333]

You forget it's not only trophies. It's items usable in Home (ie. clothing, shirts, icons, access to areas in home, products, new software) as well as in other games and/or the respective game it was unlocked in.

I'm going to have to quote Zewone on this again. Just insert all the usable items you mentioned everywhere he says trophies :D

Originally Posted by zewone

What makes trophies so great?

They'll be just as useless as points, even more so.

"Oh, people can look at my trophies I have showcased in my Home!"

Really? Who the is going to do that?

To do that, they would have to sign in to PSN. Then, boot up Home. Then, sign into that. Then, they would either walk, or teleport with their virtual PSP to your Home. Then, you have to be online, signed into Home to let them in to even look at the stupid trophies, that no one cares about and they probably have the same stupid trophy in their Home.


Or maybe then can break into your house or look through the window if you have them in view.

[mr ryles]

you can't blame sony though, achievements have been one of the biggest things for the 360, so much so that people buy shitty games they would never buy before just to get achievements.

Shame on sony and their lame attempt to copy this, but I don't blame them at all.

[Azumangaman]

Points>>>>>Trophies. Like zewone pointed out, NOBODY is going to take that much effort to look at somebody's trophies.
Hell the closer "Accomplishments(AWFUL NAME)" are to Achievements, the better.
Achievements are what add a whole new specter of replay value to a game.
Count me in!
I hope we'll see Sony release Accomplishments for games already released (Ratchet, Heavenly Sword, etc.) if this is true.
Awesome

[Lost_In_Shadows]

Sure is a lot of bitching for something that's free.

I mean, it's not like Sony is doing this and no one wants it. People asked for it and Sony is delivering their version of it. It's not a big deal to me, I don't give two shits about it on the 360 and I doubt it will on the PS3. I'm not going to complain about it being added though.

I feel the exact same way I could care less about it.

[JMEPO]

One things for sure, Im not complaining!

[mykevermin]

It's a nice attempt to copy a brilliant aspect of the 360, but since they aren't doing it fully (trophies aren't a gamerscore), not to mention it isn't going to be retroactively implemented in the 100+ PS3 games already out there, I don't think it's going to have the pull that the 360's achievements have.

IOW, there aren't going to be any 'accomplishment whores.'

Not stupid, since achievements seem to matter to people. So not stupid, but more half-baked, IMO.

Not that I'm drawn into either aspect of either console.

[mykevermin]

Well, then, all hands on deck!

[BustaUppa]

Whoa. A while ago I had said, purely in jest, that PS3 would get their own achievement system and just call them "Accomplishments."

So I could say that "I called it," but that wouldn't technically be fair since I was just making a joke... haha

[pete5883]

How is Accomplishments a terrible name, and Achievements a great name? It's the same shit.

[BustaUppa]

Well, put.

Before I ever owned a 360 a long while ago I thought the points I got from Achievements were usable to buy XBLA games... man was I wrong...lol, I thought the same thing! And I'm sure we're not the only ones.

[cochesecochese]

Just launch this already.

[H.Cornerstone]

So people always complain "I won't buy a PS3 version over a 360 because of achievements!" People complain all the time that they love this feature, and want it in the console, so Sony implements it, and now people are complaining? Jesus, it's not like MSFT created the idea, it has been around in the 80's, they just put a new spin on it. The same thing Sony is doing. I mean, Cheapy and Wombat have both said themselves "They just wish Sony would copy Xbox Live exactly." Yes, they are copying MSFT, but that's business, it happens all the time. MSFT copied Sony/Nintendo by creating a console with rumble controllers and analog sticks, I don't see anyone complaining about that...

[Thomas96]

What a way to rain on a fucking parade... bitches complaining over free shit... getting picky over free shit.. I thought this was Cheapassgamer[CAG], not Bitchassgamer[BAG].

I guess everyone know who the members are..

[InuFaye]

Its nice when Zewone does not troll any thread about any playstation related news.

Its to bad Cag does not give us nice things.

[zewone]

Shouldn't you be working on the GGTcast?

Can't wait to not hear it!

[InuFaye]

tis done foo.

[zewone]

Nice.

Not downloading it now.

[InuFaye]

good cause you can't.

tis not up yet.

Now why don't you run along and go pirate some game.

Since thats all you know how to really do.

[zewone]

Do you want to get banned, man?!?!

You know we're not supposed to communicate with each other!

By the way, how's your suicidal girlfriend?

She still hangin' in there?

[InuFaye]

Shes dead I killed her myself.

Thanks for asking.

[zewone]

That's terrible man.

But, it's good to see you're keeping your chin up.

One day, you will find a woman to love.

Someone to hold.

All will be well.

[InuFaye]

I didnt really kill her, I was just like STFU I dont need this.

Bye.

[Rig]

I know if there is a game on both 360/PS3, I'm almost certain to choose the 360 version, for the Achievements.

This move is understandable.

[SteveMcQ]

Do you want to get banned, man?!?!

You know we're not supposed to communicate with each other!

By the way, how's your suicidal girlfriend?

She still hangin' in there?

Shes dead I killed her myself.

Thanks for asking.

That's terrible man.

But, it's good to see you're keeping your chin up.

One day, you will find a woman to love.

Someone to hold.

All will be well.

I didnt really kill her, I was just like STFU I dont need this.

Bye.Accomplishment Complete!
Derail A Thread
:booty:

[RelentlessRolento]

people: put your egos aside and just talk.

[Rei no Otaku]

How is Accomplishments a terrible name, and Achievements a great name? It's the same shit.
Seriously. People are complaining about it? It's like you people have some personal vendetta against Sony.

[RelentlessRolento]

Seriously. People are complaining about it? It's like you people have some personal vendetta against Sony.



:lol: I'm just surprised how passionate people are towards or against things like this.

[Rei no Otaku]

:lol: I'm just surprised how passionate people are towards or against things like this.
It's funny. You mention anything positive about Sony, and everyone has to swoop in to bash it as much as possible.

[LinkinPrime]

Wow...they are almost identical to XBOX360's Achievements. Achievements are awesome though, bring them on!

[zewone]

Who's passionate about it?

I just said the name was stupid, and they bit the Achievement Unlocked box. Hard.

TMK and Rolento try to point out that points are useless and that trophies are awesome.

I say these trophies are actually more useless, giving valid reasons.

Some people didn't like my opinion, and I was just talking about the topic at hand.

[whoknows]

Who's passionate about it?

I just said the name was stupid, and they bit the Achievement Unlocked box. Hard.

TMK and Rolento try to point out that points are useless and that trophies are awesome.

I say these trophies are actually more useless, giving valid reasons.

Some people didn't like my opinion, and I was just talking about the topic at hand.

They're both stupid and useless, which one is more stupid and useless is up in the air at the moment.

[zewone]

They're both stupid and useless, which one is more stupid and useless is up in the air at the moment.

Yes, but if you go by what we know so far of trophies, they are definitely the stupider of the two.

Who knows though, maybe Sorny will surprise me. (Highly unlikely.)

[whoknows]

Yes, but if you go by what we know so far of trophies, they are definitely the stupider of the two.

Who knows though, maybe Sorny will surprise me. (Highly unlikely.)
Possibly, depends on if someone wants useless virtual crap to decorate their house in Home or useless points for their gamerscore.

In both cases the only uses achievements/accomplishments have are to give people a reason to replay games if they care about that stuff.

[LinkinPrime]

So there won't be gamerscore for PS3?

[whoknows]

So there won't be gamerscore for PS3?

Nah, just trophies and stuff that you can show off in Home. It'll make you quite the cool one amongst people on your friends list :-P

[LinkinPrime]

Nah, just trophies and stuff that you can show off in Home. It'll make you quite the cool one amongst people on your friends list :-P

That's not too bad I guess...I still think "Home" is more than what gamers really need...but that's a totally different topic.

[62t]

In a way this is more meaningful than a number. I mean having trophies for DMC is a lot cooler than Avatar.

[Vanigan]

In the end, those who care nothing about achievements/accomplishments/trophies, just don't bother going for them and turn off the notice that says you've gotten one.

On the other hand, those who like them, enjoy them. This doesn't have to be some big dividing issue here. It's there for people who like them. Personally I don't care about them.

I do think achievements are a bit silly, but to the business people it's been proven that it helps sell games and add replay value. However, some games do achievements really well by providing in-game tangible benefits or unlockables for getting them. Namely, games like Killzone Liberation and Uncharted. In KZL, you completed various extra challenges that unlocked equipment that provided small benefits inside the single player campaign. In uncharted, as you got medals you earned points towards unlocking things like concept art, spawnable weapons, graphics filters, funny game modes, etc...

[Ugamer_X]

Y'all bitches is crazy, Zew0ne <3 the PS3.
Accomplishment Complete!
Derail A Thread
It begins...

[Brak]

That's a pretty good idea!

[apokalipze2]

That white ps3 can't come soon enough. I can't wait to get me some trophies;)

[mykevermin]

:lol: I'm just surprised how passionate people are towards or against things like this.

Now, see, this doesn't surprise me - but the passion and fervor with which people insist how much they don't care about achievements or accomplishments is rather...hmm...telling, I think.

;)

[DJSteel]

Damn Zewone.. why are you pulling cards on everyone? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean every one has to agree with you.

This is fine.. it's a step to take PSN in the direction of Xbox Live.. throughout history companies copy the front runner.. hell MS has copied a whole bunch of stuff.. like Vista, etc.

[The Mana Knight]

To let everyone know (but I need to copy/paste the pictures), someone did debunk the pictures at PSU (http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=124440). In Warhawk for example, the EXACT same image was found online, but had the extra things added. And that image on the upper right hand corner, does look fake.

Fake images on PS3 stuff is very common that I learned to take everything with a grain of salt until confirmed. I remember everyone believe an image to be real that said "Select Music" at E3. Patrick Seybold (Director, Corporate Communications & Social Media @ SCEA) mentioned he was the one who turned on many of the PS3 consoles at E3 and never saw it.

[pete5883]

This reminds me of when Sony started selling an analog controller, an idea they "stole" from Nintendo. Also rumble was "stolen" from Nintendo :roll:

[mykevermin]

Accomplishment Complete!
Post that you are better than anyone else

You forgot something:
http://www.stagepresence.co.uk/Trophies%20and%20Medals/TM720low.jpg

[DJSteel]

To let everyone know (but I need to copy/paste the pictures), someone did debunk the pictures at PSU (http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=124440). In Warhawk for example, the EXACT same image was found online, but had the extra things added. And that image on the upper right hand corner, does look fake.

Fake images on PS3 stuff is very common that I learned to take everything with a grain of salt until confirmed. I remember everyone believe an image to be real that said "Select Music" at E3. Patrick Seybold (Director, Corporate Communications & Social Media @ SCEA) mentioned he was the one who turned on many of the PS3 consoles at E3 and never saw it.


I'm not sure if the screen didn't show in game XMB and Accomplishments.. Like you said.. take it with a grain a salt.

[Thomas96]

Those screens did look a little bit fishy... at this time, everyone know that its coming soon, so I'm not worried or upset about the fake pics. DMC 4 is ready, Darkness has accomplisments.


I was watching this video at youtube - www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgVndZg7-aM and if you notice towards the end of the video where the guy is staying in a theater, there's some scrolling lcd text says - "first person to unlock all..." you can't see the rest but assuming that its referencing accomplishments leads me to believe that gathering accomplishments is going to be a game outside of the game. Which at least breeds a new aspect to this gamerscore feature. For instance, maybe if you get more point in warhawk before all of your friends (or neighbors) then you get a free prize, DL, or ship, etc. On XBL besides being a personal accolade, gamerscores didn't really do anything.

Also, the number of trophies you earn is the equivalent of the gamerscore on XBL...when people look at your profile they should be able to look up how many trophies you've earned, and then later on, they can come to your apartment and view them... if they want.

[tiredfornow]

...

Okay, C-3PO. Now answer my question! >:|

[Javery]

I know if there is a game on both 360/PS3, I'm almost certain to choose the 360 version, for the Achievements.

This move is understandable.

QFT. It won't be the first time Sony has blatantly copied a competitor. This will most certainly be an inferior version though if all you get are trophies that go in your pretend dollhouse that no one will ever see. There's just something compelling about those stupid Achievement Points.

[DJSteel]

not when the achievement itself is ridiculous...

[The Mana Knight]

QFT. It won't be the first time Sony has blatantly copied a competitor. This will most certainly be an inferior version though if all you get are trophies that go in your pretend dollhouse that no one will ever see. There's just something compelling about those stupid Achievement Points.Your friends can visit your home.

Please, don't call this a doll house or try to step into something you aren't too familiar with.
...

Okay, C-3PO. Now answer my question! >:|To list the trophy name, maybe. To show an actual picture for every game outside of home, probably not, unless it doesn't effect the memory usage.

[dallow]

...

Okay, C-3PO. Now answer my question! >:|Pretty sure you won't have to use Home to view your tropies.
Only if you want to view them in 3D and rotate them and shiz.


Anyway, these pics are fake.

It's some dumb kids room, there's an XBox Vision cam on the TV, it's an SDTV, he has a Gamestop cable switchbox, and there's a rockband drum kit in the back.

FAKE FAKE FAKE


Stop getting Zew mad, he might throw you out a window.

[tiredfornow]

Thats what I was afraid of, ProfessaMurda.

Some stupid forced feature that half of the general PS3 owners won't even use. I just like easy access to things like that and this is kind of ruining it. :/

Also, if I have to leave a game just to view someone else's accomplishments... that would be terrible.

[Vanigan]

It'll be accessible outside of home, if not now, then later. Remember, they have to have something to see in-game when you check what accomplishment you got and they can't just load up Home in the middle of another game.

[Javery]

I'll flat out give out my opinion that I'll be surprised if Home comes out anytime soon, because the mod at threespeech (the semi-official Sony blog for Europe) even once said (I'm trying to search for the source) that Home is 6-8 months behind schedule still.

Jeez... won't they be unveiling the PS4 by then?!? ;)

I'm excited to get a PS3 but every 6 months I keep telling myself I'll buy one in another 6 months... If it hits $300 I don't think I'll be able to resist though...

[BustaUppa]

However, some games do achievements really well by providing in-game tangible benefits or unlockables for getting them. Namely, games like Killzone Liberation and Uncharted. In KZL, you completed various extra challenges that unlocked equipment that provided small benefits inside the single player campaign. In uncharted, as you got medals you earned points towards unlocking things like concept art, spawnable weapons, graphics filters, funny game modes, etc...It's not as if Achievement points have replaced unlockables on the 360 though. Unlockable in-game stuff is as common as ever, it's just that some games tie Achievement points to these unlockables, while others reserve Achievements for completely separate tasks. For example, a game like Smackdown vs. Raw 2007 has a ton of stuff to unlock that has nothing to do with Achievements.

[KingBroly]

I agree with the point made earlier that having to exit a game to see another person's Accomplishments is pretty dumb. I have a whole list of friends who I have no idea what they have until it shows up as them playing it currently (I stick abbreviations of my games in my tiny little profile line). Those are 2 things I want to see expanded upon:

- Being able to see what games my friends have played from the XMB
- Being able to see Accomplishmenets me/my friends have earned through XMB

[DJSteel]

I think with the in game XMB.. that functionality will be present

[Warner1281]

I'm excited for it.

That makes what... 4 of us? :bouncy:

[anarchyburger]

so when do accomplishments go Live? and what game currently have them? the only games i have are Resistance, Assassin's Creed, and Rock Band

[NamPaehc]

It's not as if Achievement points have replaced unlockables on the 360 though. Unlockable in-game stuff is as common as ever, it's just that some games tie Achievement points to these unlockables, while others reserve Achievements for completely separate tasks. For example, a game like Smackdown vs. Raw 2007 has a ton of stuff to unlock that has nothing to do with Achievements.

I like the idea Sony is trying though. Because you don't just unlock stuff inside the game, but you can use it outside of it in Home and what not.

[dallow]

Accomplishments and trophies are seperate things. Keep that in mind.

[zewone]

Accomplishments and trophies are seperate things. Keep that in mind.

Wouldn't they go hand and hand?

As in, when you "Complete" an Accomplishment, you would unlock a Trophy?

[RelentlessRolento]

just wondering... is sony's press thing today or tomorrow.

[dallow]

Wouldn't they go hand and hand?

As in, when you "Complete" an Accomplishment, you would unlock a Trophy?That's the thing, some of the accomplishments unlock special trophies. I imagine these would be the difficult ones.
Just like on 360, some cheezemints are for minor things worth little points.

It'd be trophy overload to get one for every accomplishment.


Rolento, Sony doesn't have a conference planned.
They do have their own game show in March though.

[NamPaehc]

That's the thing, some of the accomplishments unlock special trophies. I imagine these would be the difficult ones.
Just like on 360, some cheezemints are for minor things worth little points.

It'd be trophy overload to get one for every accomplishment.


Rolento, Sony doesn't have a conference planned.
They do have their own game show in March though.

Then beyond trophies and accomplishments, they mentioned unlockables for Home. Skins/clothing/wallpapers/pictures and what not. That is what I was referring to.

[RelentlessRolento]

That's the thing, some of the accomplishments unlock special trophies. I imagine these would be the difficult ones.
Just like on 360, some cheezemints are for minor things worth little points.

It'd be trophy overload to get one for every accomplishment.


Rolento, Sony doesn't have a conference planned.
They do have their own game show in March though.


well, then the closest thing to something is their Home presentation.

[dallow]

Yeah, I imagine you can unlock all kinds of things, beyond trophies.

Define trophy though.
Does it have to be a little gold and silver trinket?

It can be a sword for beating FFXIII.
It can be some camo gear from MGS4 that you can wear in Home.
It could be a lot of things.

[whoknows]

Has Sony announced anything about this yet? Aren't they supposed to announce something about this or Home today?

[NamPaehc]

Yeah, I imagine you can unlock all kinds of things, beyond trophies.

Define trophy though.
Does it have to be a little gold and silver trinket?

It can be a sword for beating FFXIII.
It can be some camo gear from MGS4 that you can wear in Home.
It could be a lot of things.

Yeah, the trophies are the "trinkets". Little statues put on display in your trophy room.

[dallow]

I'm saying, does it have to be, though?

I consider a trophy anything to material item that shows you did something.

[gunm]

If these are just trinkets for Home, then I'm not excited. If somehow it does lead to in-game goodies like better swords/guns/whathaveyou then I'm in like Flint.

[mykevermin]

In like Flynn, FWIW.

If it is in-game items, then they need to make them unique items not available on other versions of the game - otherwise, it's kinda useless, y'know?

[Thomas96]

What are you talking about?



having accomplisments and in game xmb via PSN makes me less likely to pay for XBL. I dont' see the sense in giving MS money for something that's available for free.

Even if Live is better than PSN, with the addition of HOME and the IN Game XMB, I don't believe MS can justify the price tag of XBL.

[SteveMcQ]

Even if Live is better than PSN, with the addition of HOME and the IN Game XMB, I don't believe MS can justify the price tag of XBL.They have the online user base, then they can justify it. Until they can get a bulk of online gamers to buy into the PSN, then the pay option of Live will take precedence. You play where there's people.

[Trenchalicious]

Accomplishment: Steal Achievements and make them more meaningless.

[help1]

People care about achievements way too much. Only ones I care about are the ones that give you stuff, i.e. Seriously gives you a gamer picture.

[-Never4ever-]

Excellent move on Sony's part, even if the execution of the idea makes them look second-rate compared to M$.

[NamPaehc]

Accomplishment: Steal Achievements and make them more meaningless.

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[Unickuta]

For the three decades before the 360 came out, people hadn't given a shit about these stupid achievments (and I still don't.) Now it's become a selling point for consoles?

[Dr Mario Kart]

Does anyone know yet if the Accomplishment system is optional on the part of developers?

[Slayzz]

For the three decades before the 360 came out, people hadn't given a shit about these stupid achievments (and I still don't.) Now it's become a selling point for consoles?

I don't care about achievements too but if you read a lot of forums like I do. You'll see many people buying the Xbox version over the PS3 because it has achievements. so actually it is a selling point for many.

[Unickuta]

so actually it is a selling point for many.

No, I know, but I meant that I hate seeing people buy things over others because of achievement points.

[seanr1221]

I don't care about achievements too but if you read a lot of forums like I do. You'll see many people buying the Xbox version over the PS3 because it has achievements. so actually it is a selling point for many.

Which is really sad. One of my roommates said he can't play games not on the 360 because he needs the achievements.

[neudog]

I still don't get the fascination of getting a random number next to your name. Now, if you could do something with Achievements or Accomplishments, like trade them in for downloadable games, then I'd care.

Welcome to the evolution of gaming. Though I'm a fan of all systems, particularly 360 right now, SONY is smart for doing this and chose a good name. I just scored a PS3 2 weeks ago and already find myself board with it and limiting my budget for new software. When I play a 360 title there is a sense of accomplishment that comes with the achievements. It adds a whole new element to game play. Sure I can feel a similar feeling by beating a game just as I did when I beat Super Mario Bros, but individual achievements/accomplishments add hours of re-playability. I'll be the first to admit I didn't understand the big deal behind achievements, but once you work at one it gets addictive. Kudos SONY, now maybe my library will grow.

[NamPaehc]

Welcome to the evolution of gaming. Though I'm a fan of all systems, particularly 360 right now, SONY is smart for doing this and chose a good name. I just scored a PS3 2 weeks ago and already find myself board with it and limiting my budget for new software. When I play a 360 title there is a sense of accomplishment that comes with the achievements. It adds a whole new element to game play. Sure I can feel a similar feeling by beating a game just as I did when I beat Super Mario Bros, but individual achievements/accomplishments add hours of re-playability. I'll be the first to admit I didn't understand the big deal behind achievements, but once you work at one it gets addictive. Kudos SONY, now maybe my library will grow.

I'm right there with you.

I mean for as long as I can remember, gaming has been about getting high scores and showing off what you did to friends to a LOT of people. All M$ and other gaming companies did was help take things to the next step like you mentioned. No more taking photos of your TV or sending something in to get a jacket patch.

To me it is like you said, an evolution of something that appeals to a large section of the gamer population.

[LinkinPrime]

RR I tried to clean it up...man was this a pain...anyway all Home related posts were moved here:
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129774&highlight=home

Carry on with the "Accomplishments" here.

[Thomas96]

They have the online user base, then they can justify it. Until they can get a bulk of online gamers to buy into the PSN, then the pay option of Live will take precedence. You play where there's people.

Yeah, there's people on the free PSN, people don't naturally run to where the crowd is. Even today on the show CHeapy was talking abou thow he was having problems downloading things from XBL - XNA launcher.. I think the problem is that maybe XBL is over crowded.

[SteveMcQ]

Yeah, there's people on the free PSN, people don't naturally run to where the crowd is. Even today on the show CHeapy was talking abou thow he was having problems downloading things from XBL - XNA launcher.. I think the problem is that maybe XBL is over crowded.Certainly you'll have the users who want in on the newer, "fresher" space, but the community that XBL has amassed is a huge selling point. When you already have a bunch of friends who are on XBL, it's a little easier to justify the subscription cost.

[Thomas96]

Certainly you'll have the users who want in on the newer, "fresher" space, but the community that XBL has amassed is a huge selling point. When you already have a bunch of friends who are on XBL, it's a little easier to justify the subscription cost.


Lager amount of users doesn't necessarily help you as a gamer.. its good for Developers, - more money, but it also means more competition. You definitely have a point about paying to play with your friends. I'm wrong when I say there's no justification to buy live. But for me, I'm satisfied with PSN free service. I don't need to be with the masses of kids playing XBL who are cursing and making the online experience downright untollerable at times. Basically the allure of Xbox in general is a bunch of friends following friends.. "follow me friend to the land of RRoD" follow me friend, away from Freeness, to the land of paying for services" I think sometimes a pay for service has the streotype of being of more quality, but that doesn't mean it always is.

[Ugamer_X]

RR I tried to clean it up...man was this a pain...anyway all Home related posts were moved here:
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129774&highlight=home

Carry on with the "Accomplishments" here.

You moved my "accomplishments" post into the Home thread. I'm too lazy to recreate it here.

[RelentlessRolento]

Thx Linkn. At least now this thread looks alot nicer now.