Godzilla Presents: General Gaming Thread #33

[whoknows]

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/5157/godzillafr2.jpg

That's right, celebrities endorse the GGT


Disclaimer: Godzilla may not actually endorse the GGT

[Mr. Beef]

Nice.

[Rei no Otaku]

I met Godzilla once. He was kind of a douchebag...

[whoknows]

I met Godzilla once. He was kind of a douchebag...

Were you on that train he's eating?

[InuFaye]

can we get sued for using his name and likeness?

[Mr. Beef]

You can't run no train on Godzilla.

[Rei no Otaku]

Were you on that train he's eating?
No, but your face was!

[InuFaye]

No, but your face was!

Your moms face was!!!!!!!

/high skool comback.

[Rei no Otaku]

Your moms face was!!!!!!!

/high skool comback.
I thought we were friends. You didn't have to take it that far T.T

[InuFaye]

I thought we were friends. You didn't have to take it that far T.T


Thats what she said.

[RelentlessRolento]

Looks like a CAG dev team may be in the works. Also possibly happening is the making of a 360/Zune game.

[InuFaye]

I want to be the David Jaffe of the group.

[whoknows]

I wanna be the Bob Barker of the group

[InuFaye]

You get the ladies....lucky....
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[RelentlessRolento]

it's not an official CAG team, but it's partially made of CAGs...

I'm also hoping to have a PS3 or a Wii game sometime next year due to the great resources available to devs now.

[InuFaye]

I cant code, but ive got crazy awesome ideas.

Like shit that people on acid don't even think of.

[Azumangaman]

So, I'll be housesitting this weekend, they have a PS2.
Cool.
So I'm bringing Yakuza, Rogue Galaxy, Valkyrie Profile Lenneth, Tales of The Abyss and Shining Force Neo. Of course, they're just coming so I can make my decision there (probably Yakuza).
I'll also be playing through PROFESSOR LAYTON, cuz its awesome.
And finishing the last volume of Boys Over Flowers, 6 volumes of Fighting Spirit (hopefully to finish it) and writing reviews.
It's going to be fun.

[InuFaye]

Yakuza.

Do it.

Or Kazuma is gonna make you his bitch.

[RelentlessRolento]

I cant code, but ive got crazy awesome ideas.

Like shit that people on acid don't even think of.


:lol: sadly, the last 2 dev teams I made fell apart because everyone wanted that same job you just stated. Plus, nobody was committed long term.

[InuFaye]

I did learn 2 years of java, but I dont remember anything.

I have an idea of how code works, but I dont know what ps3 or the 360 programs in.

[ThatDamnDave]

I did learn 2 years of java, but I dont remember anything.

I have an idea of how code works, but I dont know what ps3 or the 360 programs in.

Good question. What does it get coded in? VB? I'd be thrilled to help with game design and whatnot, but like you said, everyone wants that job.

[RelentlessRolento]

I have an idea of how code works, but I dont know what ps3 or the 360 programs in.

Cheezy Puffs ++


to be honest though, primarily it's C++ based applications.

[InuFaye]

C++ and java are kinda similar.

If I looked into it, I might be able to do something.

Im thinking of going back and learning C++ although I hate programming.

[RelentlessRolento]

C++ and java are kinda similar.

If I looked into it, I might be able to do something.

Im thinking of going back and learning C++ although I hate programming.

:lol: if anything seems to grow for this team and we need your resources, I'll contact you. I may be heading up managing and directing this thing anyway.

[Kendal]

I just scored a practically new Wavebird for $14.59. So I decided to pop Super Smash Bros. Melee into my Wii. I actually had fun! I am not a huge fan of the games, so I am pleased that I enjoyed my time with the game. I am probably going to be playing that to get in shape for some friendly games on Brawl online. I am stoked that I got a Wavebird for so damn cheap.

[jer7583]

I like making them artsy things.

[whoknows]

I'm sorta excited for Brawl. I'm going with my friend to grab his at the midnight release and then probably going to go to his house and play.

Fun times will be had.

[Kendal]

KaneRobot and I might go to the midnight here in MI. My other friend said he would go. But he is a douche and likes to make plans with other people after we make plans. He also swears Melee is said meh-lee and the Rio Digenaro(sp?) is in France. So he might be a total ass like always and go get trashed that night instead. If him and Kane don't go, I can wait till morning. I am not in that big of a rush to get SSBB.

[RelentlessRolento]

I'm sorta excited for Brawl. I'm going with my friend to grab his at the midnight release and then probably going to go to his house and play.

Fun times will be had.

Leaching? jk

[whoknows]

I was going to get it myself (and was planning to track down a Wii for it) but the online system is so...bad. I mean, they just did some stuff I don't understand with it.

[InuFaye]

I might get Army of Two from yf360g.com

It looks like fun, and Im sure co-op would be a blast.

EDIT: Its not up there.

SAD PANDA.

:cry:

Im gonna go back to condemned 2.

[Kendal]

There are a few games I am thinking of getting from there. I want Scene it!, Culdecpt Saga, Bully: More Shit Than PS2 Edition and more. There are a bunch to choose from.

[InuFaye]

I just want this condemned 2 and burnout.

I hope they add Army of Two.

Im not gonna spam GH3 like most of those guys and then resell it.

[Kendal]

Yeah, I am proud to say I haven't spammed GHIII. I might have to get one though for a free wireless guitar though. That would be cool!

[InuFaye]

do they only update the games once a month?

[whoknows]

Sega Superstars Tennis is looking kinda cool...if you're into tennis games, which I'm not. Attacking zombies wtih tennis balls does seem like a good time though: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/30947.html

[Rei no Otaku]

I like tennis games, so I'll definitely check this one out. Thing is I'm not really a fan of playing as Sega characters. Except maybe Ulala...

Definitely looking forward to Top Spin 3 though.

[seanr1221]

Playing MLB 08 The Show and wow...it's good. And I HATE baseball.
This puts me in a pickle.

[Kendal]

do they only update the games once a month?

I am not sure. I haven't looked at the site in months and they about doubled their stock. I think they update whenever. But then again I am pulling that out of my ass. How does it smell?

[whoknows]

I like tennis games, so I'll definitely check this one out. Thing is I'm not really a fan of playing as Sega characters. Except maybe Ulala...

Definitely looking forward to Top Spin 3 though.



Ulala is the reason I might get it (among some of the other Sega characters) :-P

I put in some good effort trying to unlock her in Sonic Riders, but eventually got lazy.


Sega is pretty good at tennis games so this one shouldn't be crap, right?

[whoknows]

Playing MLB 08 The Show and wow...it's good. And I HATE baseball.
This puts me in a pickle.

I tried playing the demo but I suck so much. Mainly because I don't play sports games. Seems like a cool game though.

[Rei no Otaku]

Ulala is the reason I might get it (among some of the other Sega characters) :-P

I put in some good effort trying to unlock her in Sonic Riders, but eventually got lazy.


Sega is pretty good at tennis games so this one shouldn't be crap, right?
I don't know. Sonic is in it, and we know what happens to everything he touches...

[mykevermin]

Pick an underdog team like the Reds - it'll make you feel like you're accomplishing something.

Or just enjoy the demo and don't spend $60 on the regular game.

I dove back into Saint's Row tonight; couldn't pick up where I left off (my last game save was from 11/06!), so I started over. I forgot that the narrative is actually pretty good when it isn't force feeding you how "tough" and "street" it is.

and the one guy with the bleached spiked hair and neck tattoo looks like he got kicked the fuck out of 1993, and should be wearing Cross Colours or somethin'.

[whoknows]

I don't know. Sonic is in it, and we know what happens to everything he touches...

He's in Brawl too :-P

[seanr1221]

Oh yea, I could never spend 60.00 on a baseball game.

Now 30.00 I could deal with...

[Rei no Otaku]

He's in Brawl too :-P
Well I've yet to like a Smash Bros. game, and I doubt Brawl will change my mind.

[InuFaye]

Rei would like Smash brothers if it had cao pi in it.

[The Mana Knight]

I played some Burnout Paradise with some CAG members, worked out pretty well but I'm tired and about ready to head to bed. I just hope I make CoD4 nights successful so I'll have three game nights that worked out well (of three different games). Hope to fill other nights of the week with games.

Speaking of programming, I absolutely love it and it's one of my biggest passions. Whenever I'm given a C++, C, etc. program to write, I get all excited and I'll do it. I'd constantly help my friends (online and offline) with assignments relating to programming. I could just code all day. Shockingly, that's not my major (I do some coding). I wish, but don't want to spend ANOTHER 3 years in college when I'm already quite old (I'm 25).

[jer7583]

Pick an underdog team like the Reds - it'll make you feel like you're accomplishing something.

Or just enjoy the demo and don't spend $60 on the regular game.

I dove back into Saint's Row tonight; couldn't pick up where I left off (my last game save was from 11/06!), so I started over. I forgot that the narrative is actually pretty good when it isn't force feeding you how "tough" and "street" it is.

and the one guy with the bleached spiked hair and neck tattoo looks like he got kicked the fuck out of 1993, and should be wearing Cross Colours or somethin'.

When I played saints row my character looked like a huge Samoan. It was funny whenever he did anything.

[Rei no Otaku]

Rei would like Smash brothers if it had cao pi in it.
Eww, no.

Now if it had Zhou Yu in it then it's a day 1 purchase.

[pete5883]

I played some Burnout Paradise with some CAG members, worked out pretty well but I'm tired and about ready to head to bed.
I couldn't understand a single word anyone was saying. And I have no idea what we were supposed to do over by that mine. Yet somehow we all did it.

[Nelo Ice]

do they only update the games once a month?

yep

[gunm]

I was kinda digging MLB 08 The Show as well. But like I mentioned last thread, it seems to be missing something. Anyways, yeah it ain't worth $60. I gave up on sports games awhile ago because I got tired of paying for the same game with x feature added every goddamn year.

And we're at GGT33 and all we could dig up was that fossil Godzilla? Was Ultraman booked or something? F'n ay.

[RelentlessRolento]

I played some Burnout Paradise with some CAG members, worked out pretty well but I'm tired and about ready to head to bed. I just hope I make CoD4 nights successful so I'll have three game nights that worked out well (of three different games). Hope to fill other nights of the week with games.

Speaking of programming, I absolutely love it and it's one of my biggest passions. Whenever I'm given a C++, C, etc. program to write, I get all excited and I'll do it. I'd constantly help my friends (online and offline) with assignments relating to programming. I could just code all day. Shockingly, that's not my major (I do some coding). I wish, but don't want to spend ANOTHER 3 years in college when I'm already quite old (I'm 25).

TMK, PM me and we can see if you fall into the team.

[gunm]

Watching Gametrailers Top Ten Anticipated Titles of 08...and getting excited.

[RelentlessRolento]

I saw that... I still am mostly hyped for GTAIV, but all others are good.

[Dark Slayer120]

Watching Gametrailers Top Ten Anticipated Titles of 08...and getting excited.

Yeah same here man, some really nice games on that list. I'm wondering do you guys know if the Wii version of Okami is going to have anything that the PS2 version didn't have? Considering picking it up when it comes out for the Wii, but if there isn't anything different from the PS2 version, I'll probably just keep it for the PS2.

[InuFaye]

Played PW on the way to work this morning.

Case 5 is the longest case to ever happen.

Jesus.

Im on day 4 trial, so hopefully there is not to much more.

[The Mana Knight]

I couldn't understand a single word anyone was saying. And I have no idea what we were supposed to do over by that mine. Yet somehow we all did it.If you are playing over a firewall on your router (which could mean NAT Type 3), the instructions tell you to open up two ports on the router (like one for VOIP).
TMK, PM me and we can see if you fall into the team.Well, I've only taken many programming intro classes and then some more (in other classes that used it), but I still haven't learned Java yet (if there was a college class I could take, I would). I'll give it thought.

[pete5883]

If you are playing over a firewall on your router (which could mean NAT Type 3), the instructions tell you to open up two ports on the router (like one for VOIP).
I think I'm NAT Type 2, but I'll give it a try. I could hear you guys, I just couldn't understand you.

[The Mana Knight]

I think I'm NAT Type 2, but I'll give it a try. I could hear you guys, I just couldn't understand you.It might have been my end too (sometimes my PS3 chooses a different IP which Type 2 NAT isn't set to) and might have done so before the match.

I'll try to have a Burnout night each week or so. I'm willing to play most any time, as long as I'm not in a Warhawk night, CoD4 night, or my status says away.

[ThatDamnDave]

I'm a writer if that comes in handy for this gaming dev team getting together. There's still writing in video games right? I'm sure Mario Kart Wii will have an epic narrative.

Played some more PGR4 last night and I'm getting towards the end of the line with my interest in it. There's just no hook to it I guess. It's really well done, very good looking game, tons of features, but there's no central incentive for me to really progress. Simply becoming #1 in single player isn't a huge motivator.

[The Mana Knight]

Played some more PGR4 last night and I'm getting towards the end of the line with my interest in it. There's just no hook to it I guess. It's really well done, very good looking game, tons of features, but there's no central incentive for me to really progress. Simply becoming #1 in single player isn't a huge motivator.Actually, the same thing happened to me to. Let me just say I've been a big fan of the series since MSR, and I completed PGR2 and PGR3. For some reason, when I got to a particular point in PGR4, I lost all interests to play it. Yeah the graphics are awesome and the game plays great, but it does lack the hook the others had. That's kind of why I kind of hope there isn't another PGR (unless things get re-done a little).

Lol, look at what was posted (this was from Burnout Paradise last night):
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3985122&postcount=192

[InuFaye]

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.

VAN HALEN POSTPONED!!

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[linkpwns]

Good Morning Ladies and Gents. That Linkin park show was actually really, really good. but I'm SO worn out right now.

[RelentlessRolento]

so far the dev team seems to be rolling out nicely. so far the programming may be covered and I already have a 3d modeler, with 2d art probably being handled by me and a friend.

[InuFaye]

Can I be the pretty one like Jade Raymond who just sits there and smiles?

[SL4IN]

hai GGT. my first post in a while. school = end free time.

I'll be more active in the next few days, almost done with tests until after spring break!

and since I had to miss recording for GGTcast 4, I'm really itching to be back on monday.

[daroga]

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.

VAN HALEN POSTPONED!!

vadernooooooooooooooooooooo.gif:( Why for?

Bon Jovi rocked last night. So much fun :)

[InuFaye]

cause of the weather.

I hope it does not interfere with radiohead or say anything.

[ThatDamnDave]

Say Anything is a great band. I like ...Is A Real Boy better than In Defense Of The Genre, but still good stuff.

[pete5883]

Can I be the pretty one like Jade Raymond who just sits there and smiles?
Are you sure? She does one other thing, it was covered in a recent comic strip.

[seanr1221]

Lols I like how this thread is rated one cheapy head.

Hit the halfway mark in DMC4 last night.

[InuFaye]

I wish I could cyrogenically freeze myself for 6 months until Metal Gear is out.

Why does GT think RE5 and FF13 will be out this year?

[seanr1221]

I wish I could cyrogenically freeze myself for 6 months until Metal Gear is out.

Why does GT think RE5 and FF13 will be out this year?

Because it would make my head asplode.

[InuFaye]

True.

This Year has the potential to best the best year ever for games.

[seanr1221]

True.

This Year has the potential to best the best year ever for games.

Hypothetically if FF13 and RE5 did come out in the same year, I'd poop a brick.

[linkpwns]

Say Anything is a great band. I like ...Is A Real Boy better than In Defense Of The Genre, but still good stuff.

Say Anything IS great.

But Linkin Park REALLY surprised me last time. I had a ball with them. Not with Coheed and Cambria though, they sucked. And Craig Owens is such a dick (The lead singer of Chiodos). HE was saying shit like, "Oh wow. I know you guys don't want us here. But thanks for the respect. We're just trying to have some fun tonight."

What the fuck? Is that called putting on a good show?!

[InuFaye]

Somehow when someone says a game is more "badass" then the last. I just want to punch them in the throat.

[InuFaye]

I got MP3 for 30 dollars.

WOOT.

[Kendal]

Mario Kart Double Dash!! is more badass than Mario Kart 64.

[Rodimus]

Just beat DMC4 last night. It was more badass than DMC3.

[InuFaye]

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[daroga]

Does Ninja Dog mode in NGS change anything content wise or just difficulty wise? In other words will it get to a point and just stop and say "HEY LOSER PLAY A REAL MAN'S GAME! HAHAH!"

I'm feeling... lazy.

[InuFaye]

The game constantly reminds you of how much of a giant pussy you are for playing on Ninja Dog.

[gunm]

Just a tad easier, and really meant to be more humiliating--you're Ayane's bitch boy man servant in that mode, after all.

It also means lesser rankings.

That reminds me, Ayane needs me to fetch her coffee. I better go back to Sigma soon. :p

[daroga]

I can deal with all of this.

[InuFaye]

Ninja Dog......................

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[gunm]

Last night, I was tired and played nothing. Now I feel like playing NGS tonight, thanks Daroga.

Or maybe more DMC4. 1 chapter each game session helps prolong the experience, I guess.

Man, I'm so excited about the games in 2008.

[InuFaye]

Year of the MGS4.

[InuFaye]

No XBLA CO-OP on BC:Rearmed??

Hell No.

Forget this.

[linkpwns]

Inufaye, just take the last.fm thing out of your Sig. It's embarassing to see what you listen to. Only a real man listens to a song called, "Strawberry Shortcake", eh?

[daroga]

Ninja Dog......................

facepalm.gifWhen I had more time and patience I beat the original without the putz mode. Now, I don't want my limited game time to be dying at the same part 15 times ;)

[Apossum]

Does Ninja Dog mode in NGS change anything content wise or just difficulty wise? In other words will it get to a point and just stop and say "HEY LOSER PLAY A REAL MAN'S GAME! HAHAH!"

I'm feeling... lazy.



Besides what everyone has mentioned, you won't unlock hard mode, which has some of the cooler enemies in the game (cat chicks ftw.)

I believe everything is the same as normal mode, but you can't get Master Ninja ranks at the end of missions and no unlockables. You can play to the end. It doesn't cut you off and say "thanks for playing try normal mode lol" or anything like that.

[Azumangaman]

So I finished Boys Over Flowers this morning (cuz you guys care about the anime I watch)
It was pretty good. (B+).
Yeehaw.

Also, Professor Layton is awesome. Difficult, but awesome nonetheless.

[InuFaye]

Inufaye, just take the last.fm thing out of your Sig. It's embarassing to see what you listen to. Only a real man listens to a song called, "Strawberry Shortcake", eh?

Never.You must see that I listen to bad 80's music. Strawberry Shortcake is a song off the N.M.H. soundtrack foo!

When I had more time and patience I beat the original without the putz mode. Now, I don't want my limited game time to be dying at the same part 15 times ;)

Its all good in the neighborhood as long as you have beaten it on a normal mode before.

[Kendal]

What is the bonus for the Collector's Edition of NGS and the normal?

[Apossum]

What is the bonus for the Collector's Edition of NGS and the normal?


A making of DVD and a paper sleeve that's too small for the DVD and game, thus getting damaged/bent out of shape easily. Pretty weak collector's edition.

[kainzero]

So I finished Boys Over Flowers this morning (cuz you guys care about the anime I watch)
It was pretty good. (B+).
Yeehaw.
I haven't seen the anime but I loved the live-action. At least, the first part. The second part was too whiny.

That Inoue Mao is mega hot.

[seanr1221]

I played on ninja dog mode :D

[InuFaye]

I played on ninja dog mode :D

Pussy.

[seanr1221]

Pussy.

Your mothers? Delicious.

[InuFaye]

Please

Maybe she wont be such a cranky bitch.

[jkam]

Thanks for the snow day today! I finished off Disaster Report (PS2). I thought the game was pretty fun. It was a lot different from the norm and the concept was a good one. If only the game mechanics were a little more polished it would have scored pretty high. It kind of felt like an old PC adventure game throughout. Well woohoo for me...one less backlog game. On to something else!

[The Mana Knight]

All right, I went to GS today and got Lost Odyssey. Due to the trade-in promo if I buy LO, I got a 20% bump in credit.

Here's what I ditched:
Ape Escape: On The Loose (PSP)
Baten Kaitos Origins (GC), only played twice
beatmania (PS2)
Bombmerman (PSP)
Dead or Alive 3 (Xbox)
Legaia 2: The Duel Saga (PS2)
Lufia: The Ruins of Lore (GBA)
Mad Dash Racing (Xbox)
Musashi: Samurai Legend (PS2)
Robot Alchemic Drive (PS2)
Samurai Warriors (PS2)
Sega Genesis Collection (PSP)
Sonic Heroes (GC)
Technic Beat (PS2)

I traded in these 14 games, and got $46.15 after bonuses. :lol: I meant to trade in 15, but after what GS told me I would get for Metal Slug Anthology (a kind of hard to find game on PSP), I said forget it and will probably sell to someone (since I know people wanted it). One of the games, I got $0.50 for. :lol: The most I got for a game was $7. Oh well, that clears out my backlog a bit. :) Also, I got $25 credit the other day for trading in one PS3 and one 360 game in, so I did not pay anything.

Btw Sean, I played on Ninja Dog mode. ;)

[InuFaye]

Hell yea at NIN pack being on Tuesday.

[ThatDamnDave]

Wish that rumored RHCP pack would come out.

[InuFaye]

I should just call it the trent reznor pack.

I also want more Van Halen songs.

[pete5883]

I started watching Fighting Spirit. Not too excited by it.... and I have 34 episodes to go. Ugh.

[linkpwns]

This is awesome. My dad gave me a 50 dollar best buy giftcard for no good reason. And I still have 15 on another best Buy giftcard. I'm getting lost odyssey on Monday.

[The Mana Knight]

This is awesome. My dad gave me a 50 dollar best buy giftcard for no good reason. And I still have 15 on another best Buy giftcard. I'm getting lost odyssey on Monday.If I end up on the next GGTCast (although probably not), looks like we'll have to mention that (since I got it too, but will not start until Saturday or later). ;)

[Kendal]

A making of DVD and a paper sleeve that's too small for the DVD and game, thus getting damaged/bent out of shape easily. Pretty weak collector's edition.

Oh ok. How do I play with that huge tittied chick?

Pussy.

You are what you eat, dick. :D

If I end up on the next GGTCast (although probably not), looks like we'll have to mention that (since I got it too, but will not start until Saturday or later). ;)

I want that game so badly. It is on order from YF360G. Hurry up!

I am trading in some games this weekend and have some money saved up. I might get a PSP slim. But I have a few wants coming out soon. When is this drought supposed to happen? It looks like a solid 12 month release schedule this year.

[gunm]

Man, reading about you guys all picking up LO is making want to break my rule of waiting until a decent price drop. I do have more than enough GS credit to pick it up free, but I'm going to pretend I have some will power here.

[Kendal]

Give in. All the cool kids are doing it!

[JEKKI]

yo today I played dat Apollo Justice!

while driving!!!

not a very good idea I say...

[jer7583]

Today I played help make a TV show. Production Assistant, woo! Tomorrow they call me Assistant Cameraman.

Oh yeah, Games. I played Parodius on my PSP on dem EMUZ for a bit while waiting for a rental truck.

[Nelo Ice]

Man, reading about you guys all picking up LO is making want to break my rule of waiting until a decent price drop. I do have more than enough GS credit to pick it up free, but I'm going to pretend I have some will power here.

im having the same problem except everyone is getting that and DMC 4 :bomb:

[linkpwns]

Are any of the GFW Radios this week funny? I mean, they have guests, and I can imagine that the normal mood of the show is not present. Is that true?

[SL4IN]

study this weekend and then patapon on wednesday!

Also, I downloaded N+ today and played it for about 2 hours, I'm such a whore for that game, looks like I'll be buying both the psp and ds versions as well since they all have different stages.

[Apossum]

Oh ok. How do I play with that huge tittied chick?



Her missions are laced into the story.


Man, reading about you guys all picking up LO is making want to break my rule of waiting until a decent price drop. I do have more than enough GS credit to pick it up free, but I'm going to pretend I have some will power here.


I can't lie...I was a huge skeptic of it, but I think it's pretty damn good. Reminds me of FFX...but no fucking Tidus and a good male lead for a change.

[Rei no Otaku]

I started watching Fighting Spirit. Not too excited by it.... and I have 34 episodes to go. Ugh.
I really liked Fighting Spirit. Watched the whole thing, and the TV movie.

Played some Apollo Justice. I'm in the middle of the second case. I was nervous at first since we were getting a whole new cast, but so far the game is really good. Phoenix is awesome in this one. I saw this hentai once about a guy who groped women on a train. Anyway, that guy met this older man who taught him all the secrets about how to master groping and raping women on a crowded train. Phoenix in this game reminds me of that older guy...

Also played a hell of a lot of DW6. So good... Though they made Yi Ling suck. The stone maze is even more annoying than ever.

[MarkMan]

Hajime No Ippooooooooooooo is GREAT!!! Make sure you read up on the manga after finishing the anime... the anime ends at around volume 33 of the manga....

And the manga is at about volume 83 or so lololol... I wish they kept going!!!!

[daroga]

Sigma is so polished. Playing it on Ninja Dog is kind of a different game. Can I max out every healing item? The answer is yes. Just beat that crazy fiend that eats Rachel. How does she even stand? Is there some sort of incredibly strong back brace in that dominatrix get-up she's got on?

I've not been paying attention. Is 2's graphical level about on par with Sigma's (with more complicated geometry)? I know you can be more dismemberment-happy in 2. Fantastic!

I picked up two volumes of Penny Arcade's collection at Half-Price books. It's pretty fun to go back through the history of games. They're not always funny, but when they hit on something it usually gets me laughing out loud. The commentary to put jokes about then-current Dreamcast games is fun too.

[InuFaye]

I just watched D-War.

Worst.Movie.Ever.

[Azumangaman]

I started watching Fighting Spirit. Not too excited by it.... and I have 34 episodes to go. Ugh.
You're.....NOT excited by Fighting Spirit? Are you kidding?
I'm on episode 45 now (or so) and I'm madly in love with every second.
IPPO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>LIFE.

[Dark Slayer120]

Whats up my nizbitches?

[whoknows]

I just watched D-War.

Worst.Movie.Ever.
Are you sure?

[Dark Slayer120]

Who's down with the GGT?

[Dark Slayer120]

It's mother fucking Friday night where the fuck is everyone? We need a GGT party and damn it someone better bring snacks and bitches.

[SL4IN]

w00t! got a great condition copy of megaman X in at work. got one in of Megaman X-2 as well, thinking about picking it up.

[Nelo Ice]

so anyone play lost planet? is it worth the $20 next week?:lol:

[whoknows]

I wanna know how at the beginning of DMC4 how Nero is listening to music if his headphones aren't attached to anything

[Dark Slayer120]

Btw Sean, I played on Ninja Bitch mode. ;)

I played on ninja bitch mode :D

Does Ninja bitch mode in NGS change anything content wise or just difficulty wise? In other words will it get to a point and just stop and say "HEY LOSER PLAY A REAL MAN'S GAME! HAHAH!"

I'm feeling like a ninja bitch.

It's Ninja Bitch mode to meh. Oh I feel the glares bring them on Ninja Bitches.


so anyone play lost planet? is it worth the $20 next week?:lol:


Yes, you get it for that triple boi or evil ha ha a squirrel cool.

[MarkMan]

Ninja Dog = Thumbs Down

[pete5883]

I needed a break from boxing so I started Berserk for Dreamcast last night. Played a bit, "saved," tried to load my save, and I'm back at the beginning of the game. Then I read some reviews, and find there may as well not even be a save system. What a load of shit.

[The Mana Knight]

I always wanted to try the game, but I hate save systems like that. I haven't played my Dreamcast in a while. I might play some Tech Romancer or Samba DeAmigo (two of my favorite Dreamcast games).

I decided I will buy a new PS3 HDD within 2 weeks. Although I can get a pretty good deal on a 160GB for $76, I'm going with 250GB regardless. Once I put everything I want on the HDD, I should have at least 170GB available.

[Krymner]

Just been playing some more FF8 and Castlevania: AoS. I'm almost done with AoS. Great Castlevania game so far. Not quite as good as Dawn of Sorrow, but solid nonetheless. I haven't played much of Circle of the Moon, so I can't say as yet if it is the best of the GBA Castlevanias, but I liked it much more than Harmony.

[Apossum]

And the "first use of visible boob veins in a videogame" award goes to: Lost Odyssey.


Game is pretty amazing so far. The 1000 years of dreams stuff is really really good.

[Azumangaman]

I watched the South Park Movie for the first time...
It was pretty amazing

[SL4IN]

got work in an hour. Prolly gonna play some handhelds most of the time after I finish all my duties.

[daroga]

So, am I just immensely stupid (always a distinct possibility) or is it impossible to use a PSP with custom firmware to connect to the PS3 or the PSN PC Store? I want to install the Patapon demo and possibly buy Beats, but this is not working.

In the USB mode on the PSP under settings, neither the PS3 nor the PC store see it as anything. It shows up as just like a generic USB device in the XMB.

Format the memory card? Change a setting somewhere? Beat my head into a wall? Using
3.90 M33-2 for the record.

[InuFaye]

So close to finishing PW.

Just snagged PW2 off the Amazon for 15 dollars. Also picked up Fatal Frame 2.

[SL4IN]

So close to finishing PW.

Just snagged PW2 off the Amazon for 15 dollars. Also picked up Fatal Frame 2.

I need to finish that as well, since I'm near the end of the game. and I also have a sealed ace attorney 2 and 3 that I have yet to play.

But pokemon takes up whatever ds time I have.

[InuFaye]

On the DS I think im gonna move onto Final Fantasy III and finish that up.

[SL4IN]

On the DS I think im gonna move onto Final Fantasy III and finish that up.

it's a good one. you should give me your FC for it and we can send letters back and forth to get the onion knight job. I really want it for my second playthrough.

[Kendal]

So, am I just immensely stupid (always a distinct possibility) or is it impossible to use a PSP with custom firmware to connect to the PS3 or the PSN PC Store? I want to install the Patapon demo and possibly buy Beats, but this is not working.

In the USB mode on the PSP under settings, neither the PS3 nor the PC store see it as anything. It shows up as just like a generic USB device in the XMB.

Format the memory card? Change a setting somewhere? Beat my head into a wall? Using
3.90 M33-2 for the record.

I don't think you can use the CFW PSP with the PS3. It is one of the reasons why I want a slim PSP. I could have my fat PSP for homebrew and SNES on the go and the slim for regular PSPing needs. Kind of a waste though.

[pete5883]

Restarted and finished Berserk this morning. I probably could've skipped that one. Had to put it on easy to beat Zodd.

[linkpwns]

it's a good one. you should give me your FC for it and we can send letters back and forth to get the onion knight job. I really want it for my second playthrough.

Woah, FFIII has a job system?

Is it similar to the FFXI job system? Where you can basically switch jobs on the fly, and level each job, not the character?

EDIT: And that sucks about PSN and the PSN Store with Custom Firmware. I'll try it when I get home.

[SL4IN]

Woah, FFIII has a job system?

Is it similar to the FFXI job system? Where you can basically switch jobs on the fly, and level each job, not the character?

EDIT: And that sucks about PSN and the PSN Store with Custom Firmware. I'll try it when I get home.

of course it had a job system. I've never played FFXI, so I can't speak for that, but now, you can't just switch jobs on the fly I guess, you can change jobs whenever you want, but it takes 2 battles for the new job to set in before you start leveling the job up. It's great game, you should go buy it now!

[linkpwns]

of course it had a job system. I've never played FFXI, so I can't speak for that, but now, you can't just switch jobs on the fly I guess, you can change jobs whenever you want, but it takes 2 battles for the new job to set in before you start leveling the job up. It's great game, you should go buy it now!

I never played FFXI either, just a map based on FFXI on Warcraft 3. I didn't even know it had a job system. I didn't know anything about FFIII. So I need to pick that up too... anyone here finish it and down for a trade?

[seanr1221]

So next month I come to a cross-road of multiplatform games. Bully, Vegas 2 and Condemned 2 are all on multiple systems...hmmm which versions to buy...

[Jesus_S_Preston]

I really want Lost Odyssey, but it's been like 23 years since I've played a turn-based RPG on a console and I'm scared I'll get bored and stop. I'm sixteen.

So my friend who loves DMC was telling me last week how much of a bitch the fight against Dante on Mission 10 was, even on DH. I finally got there last night, and was disappointed. Got him down to 1/2 health with minimal trouble, and from that point on he never even landed a hit on me.

[linkpwns]

I really want Lost Odyssey, but it's been like 23 years since I've played a turn-based RPG on a console and I'm scared I'll get bored and stop. I'm sixteen.

So my friend who loves DMC was telling me last week how much of a bitch the fight against Dante on Mission 10 was, even on DH. I finally got there last night, and was disappointed. Got him down to 1/2 health with minimal trouble, and from that point on he never even landed a hit on me.

I can safely assume that you haven't played a Turn-Based RPG on a console then?
Start with FFX. Probably one of my favorite RPGs of all time.

[InuFaye]

I just finished Kane and Lynch Dead Men.

Wow the ending sucked donkey nuts.

The end of the game is horrible.

[InuFaye]

Wow so it looks like ive already beaten 10 games this year.

2 more and I shall have already beaten as many games as all of last year.

[linkpwns]

EYYO! I've been a member for one year now! Hollah!

In celebration, I'm gonna go play some RE4

[SL4IN]

I never played FFXI either, just a map based on FFXI on Warcraft 3. I didn't even know it had a job system. I didn't know anything about FFIII. So I need to pick that up too... anyone here finish it and down for a trade?

I beat my copy, but I don't know that I'd want to trade it....

[seanr1221]

I have to say I'm pretty shocked at all the Lost Odyssey love.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I really want Lost Odyssey, but it's been like 23 years since I've played a turn-based RPG on a console and I'm scared I'll get bored and stop.

Just wait for a price drop. No point in sticking your neck out for a genre you dont generally like. Having you been reading the media reviews?

[DarkNessBear]

Is there any intellectual discussion threads about gaming on these forums?

Not saying I am intellectual, but I enjoy those debates.

[InuFaye]

Just wait for a price drop. No point in sticking your neck out for a genre you dont generally like. Having you been reading the media reviews?

No one reads reviews because they are all garbage and trash.
I dont trust anything any publication writes, ever.

We use the picture scale in the GGT.

Use it or GTFO.

[The Mana Knight]

No one reads reviews because they are all garbage and trash.
I dont trust anything any publication writes, ever.

We use the picture scale in the GGT.

Use it or GTFO.Exactly.

Well, I just had a small scare with my PS3, but things seem to be okay. What happened was I tried to download the patch for High Velocity Bowling but could not (console kept resetting). That usually happens when I don't have at least 2.8GB of free space. I ended up freeing space and downloaded again. Finally it worked, but then I went back to download more games. I decided to try a PS3 game, and no disc was being detected and could not eject it. So I just canceled all downloads (removed them), reset my PS3, and everything seemed to be fine. That's the first really weird issue I had with my PS3 (since occasional HDMI not handshaking with the TV, although part of that was my old TV) since one day nothing from my HDD could be read (so I restarted).

[Dr Mario Kart]

Then go with first hand accounts (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=224474). They largely line up the averages of all the media reviews anyway. In both cases, you still have to know HOW to read them and which ones to read.

How someone who doesnt generally like a genre goes about picking apart reviews is going to be dramatically different when they are largely
a) written BY fans of the genre
b) written FOR fans of the genre

[Krymner]

Just picked up Apollo Justice and I've been playing thru the first case. I skipped Phoenix Wright 2 & 3, so its been awhile since I've played an Ace Attourney game but so far I'm liking the new game. I'm glad there are some familiar faces and I hope to see more as I progress.

I also picked up a used copy of Etrain Odyssey and I'm anxious to try it out. I've been looking for a copy for awhile and haven't been able to find it anywhere, and I was surprised when I found one today.

[linkpwns]

I need to pick up Apollo Justice sometime too. Shit, that makes 4 games xD

[Dark Slayer120]

I just finished Kane and Lynch Dead Men.

Wow the ending sucked donkey nuts.

The end of the game is horrible.

Which ending? Oh wait damned if you do and damned if you don't both suck cock I forgot. In fact the whole game goes to hell towards the half way point IMO.

[gunm]

So I started playing NGS again to psyche myself up for NGII. I have to admit I was a little turned around by the controls since I've been playing DMC recently. Didn't take too long to adjust, but I still suck at it, though (and I've been doing Normal mode).

I didn't think I'd be up for playing DMC4 after that, but I'm only doing Human mode, so I was able to finish another level. I like playing it one level a night / game session.

And then I played Oblivion some more for yet another change up in the pitch rotation.

I love video games. :D

[blueshinra]

Just here to second the Apollo Justice love. Great game so far.

[Kendal]

Everyday Shooter is badass. More badass than Otherday Shooter. :D

I fought a giant eye and died. I was hoping Dragon Quest Swords would be in my mail box today, but it wasn't. I have lost all interest in FF XII: RW. I think I am going to send it back to GFly.

[seanr1221]

My white Mage in fft is a beast. Auto regen AND heal after moving FTW!

[The Mana Knight]

Played a little NBA 2k8. I'm about to play some CoD4 tonight, despite my mood. Still haven't opened Lost Odyssey yet. :-(

I really want to end my life more than anything, but that's another story and the GGT don't need to hear my depression. :-(

[daroga]

n+ is very tempting. Just played the demo and it's kinda like crack...

[Apossum]

n+ is very tempting. Just played the demo and it's kinda like crack...


The full game is like a mountain made of crack. I highly highly recommend it.




Gonna play more Lost Odyssey tonight. Just got past the funeral...the game went from "damn good" to "holy shit"

[Jesus_S_Preston]

FINALLY got back on Live. Jesus.

MuchLove to whoknows and others who assisted me.

I can safely assume that you haven't played a Turn-Based RPG on a console then?
Start with FFX. Probably one of my favorite RPGs of all time.

Nah, I was just exaggerating for effect.

Just wait for a price drop. No point in sticking your neck out for a genre you dont generally like. Having you been reading the media reviews?

It's not that I'm not a fan of the genre; I have tons of turn-based rpgs for handhelds. I just fear I won't amass the patience to play one on a console, where I can't let my eyes wander to the television or something.

Price drop it is.

[Dark Slayer120]

Whats was it that made you want to change sides?

[botticus]

I suppose I need to get Apollo Justice. Good for my wallet, but bad in other ways, I've really not had much motivation to buy anything lately. But after finishing Layton, I have zero backlogged on my DS, so my handheld gaming (my gaming lifeblood, even) has temporarily stopped. You'd think I'd start digging into my old Cube and PS2 games in the interim, but nope.

[whoknows]

FINALLY got back on Live. Jesus.

MuchLove to whoknows and others who assisted me.


How'd you finally get it to work?

[linkpwns]

Played a little NBA 2k8. I'm about to play some CoD4 tonight, despite my mood. Still haven't opened Lost Odyssey yet. :-(

I really want to end my life more than anything, but that's another story and the GGT don't need to hear my depression. :-(

Suicide is selfish, friend.

I played some more RE4 today. Holy shit, how long is this game?
I'm on 4-4...

[Azumangaman]

Not sure about Uncharted?
Well, make up your mind with my review!:
http://www.honestgamers.com/systems/content.php?review_id=6824&platform=PlayStation+3&abr=PS3&gametitle=Uncharted%3A+Drake%27s+Fortune
You know you want it!

[Dark Slayer120]

Suicide is selfish, friend.

I played some more RE4 today. Holy shit, how long is this game?
I'm on 4-4...

Your getting close to the end my friend. You never beat RE4 yet? Holy....

[Jesus_S_Preston]

How'd you finally get it to work?

Put in the old computer.

[linkpwns]

Your getting close to the end my friend. You never beat RE4 yet? Holy....

well, I only get to play it every other weekend. So I'm progressing xD

[Dark Slayer120]

well, I only get to play it every other weekend. So I'm progressing xD

Noice, you should like the end result. Then you get to go for teh Handcannon!

[pete5883]

Where are all the JRPG's this gen? Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Enchanted Arms. 3? That's it?

[whoknows]

Enchanted Arms being the best

[Dark Slayer120]

Where are all the JRPG's this gen? Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Enchanted Arms. 3? That's it?


Jer ordered that they quit making them.

[linkpwns]

Enchanted Arms being the best

You forgot Eternal Sonata. And this is sarcasm, correct?

[whoknows]

You forgot Eternal Sonata. And this is sarcasm, correct?

Yeah :lol:

It was an ok game IMO (using the Japanese voices) but I think I quit because you couldn't use healing things outside of battle.

[Dark Slayer120]

Enchanted Arms was just to gay for me. Srsly.

[Kendal]

Dewdz, I played me some DMC 4 today! Bring on Mission 9!

[Rei no Otaku]

Ok GGT, I need some advice.

I got a Wii waiting for me at work. Someone traded it in, and it's mint. And I can use my employee discount on it, so I'd be getting it for a good price. The thing is I only really want it for No More Heroes, and the upcoming Tales of Symphonia sequel. I don't like Nintendo games, so I wouldn't be getting any games like Smash or Mario Kart. Basically I want to know if I should buy it. Is it worth it for me to even bother?

[whoknows]

You could always use it for NMH and Tales and then sell it. If you don't like Nintendo games the Wii probably wouldn't get too much playtime from you.

[seanr1221]

JUST for those 2 games?

I say no.

[Dark Slayer120]

Ok GGT, I need some advice.

I got a Wii waiting for me at work. Someone traded it in, and it's mint. And I can use my employee discount on it, so I'd be getting it for a good price. The thing is I only really want it for No More Heroes, and the upcoming Tales of Symphonia sequel. I don't like Nintendo games, so I wouldn't be getting any games like Smash or Mario Kart. Basically I want to know if I should buy it. Is it worth it for me to even bother?

I would say probably not Rei since you don't really like Nintendo games. I never buy a system unless it has at least five games I want on it. For two games I say pass on the Wii but thats just IMO.

[Nelo Ice]

id say no on the wii all i see thats worth buyin comin up are nintendo games...ok theres okami :lol:

[Rei no Otaku]

I figured as much. It just sucks cause I really want to play NMH, but not a thing else on the console interests me.

[Krymner]

Well there are a bunch of great games out on the VC, Rei. And some of the WiiWare offerings are looking good, especially the Crystal Chronicles game. Also, don't forget about the Skies of Arcadia sequel in the works.

But who knows when some of these games will start coming out. I haven't gotten a Wii yet myself either, but I'm decided to wait until later this year when more quality titles and some more RPGs will start hitting. My advice to you would be to wait, especially if you're just interested in only 1 game that is out now. I'm hoping to hear something about the media storage problem within the next couple of months. Something tells me that Nintendo is gonna announce something no later than E3, especially now since they have said that DLC is on the way.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

How do you not like Mario Kart?

You have no soul.

[Dr Mario Kart]

Dont get it, its a waste. You've already got two other systems to buy games for.

[Rei no Otaku]

Well there are a bunch of great games out on the VC, Rei. And some of the WiiWare offerings are looking good, especially the Crystal Chronicles game. Also, don't forget about the Skies of Arcadia sequel in the works.
Most of the VC stuff I either already own, or don't want.

How do you not like Mario Kart?

You have no soul.
Oh it's quite easy to hate crappy games.

[InuFaye]

broke the kick pedal on my RB drums today.

Fuckin Fuck.

Rei, buy the Wii.

You can at least sell it off and make some profit after you play NMH.

[Rei no Otaku]

broke the kick pedal on my RB drums today.

Fuckin Fuck.
Warned you about having sex with Chac's mom while playing Rock Band.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I think a good rule for buying a system is waiting for the MSRP of the software you are interested in to greatly exceed the cost of the system.

[jer7583]

There's a difference between something being "not for you", Something being "actually crappy" and "you not having taste"

Dynasty Warriors and Mario Kart both fall under that last category.

As for intelligent discussion-

Why do games still have death mechanics in them? Every game should at least have the option to play through it without worrying about dying and having to redo sections. Death is an antiquated notion that stems from the coin-op arcade design that was meant to get your quarters. Now that we pay up front for games most often, shouldn't we be allowed to play them as we wish, without being penalized in such artificial ways?

Alternatives to "dying" in games-
Ninja Dog Mode Humiliate the player/reduce the experience as penalty for lack of skill
Reward- Focus only on rewards for skilled players that normal or poorly skilled players cannot unlock
Branching Story- Write your stories in such a way that failure does not necessarily end the game, but provides a less interesting or shorter experience.

Fable 2 used to have a fairly badass penalty for failure. Either spend XP to arise quickly, or wait and become permanetly disfigured from battle in some way. Unfortunately people were too whiny about it, and Fable 2 now uses the same old shit as every other game.

[Rei no Otaku]

There's a difference between something being "not for you", Something being "actually crappy" and "you not having taste"
Nope. I am the sole judge on what games are good or not. Rei tells me this every night when I go to sleep...

[daroga]

Just watched Blade Runner for the first time. That movie's pretty messed up.

Rei, I knew we didn't necessarily agree on games, but wow, dismissing the entirety of Nintendo's first-party offerings? That's pretty amazing.

[jer7583]

Amazing means Irrational

[daroga]

Amazing is the new WTF

[Rei no Otaku]

I don't like them, jeez. For Rei's sake, not everyone thinks Nintendo games are the greatest things ever. I can't even dismiss games I don't like because they're made by Nintendo? Acting like I've never played a Mario or Zelda before. I played Mario Galaxy, I didn't like it. I played Twilight Princess, I didn't like it. I played Mario Kart, and did not like it. I played pretty much every Mario and Zelda before those games and did not like them.

People can hop all over my nuts when I say I like Dynasty Warriors, but Rei forbid I tease someone about liking Mario Kart. Holy shit. Sony Defense Force has nothing on you people.

[jer7583]

I started typing like 5 things and backspaced them all out. I'm actually at a loss for words about that statement.

Dynasty Warriors over Mario Galaxy? What the fuck, man? That's just depressing.

[Rei no Otaku]

I started typing like 5 things and backspaced them all out. I'm actually at a loss for words about that statement.

Dynasty Warriors over Mario Galaxy? What the fuck, man? That's just depressing.
What's really depressing is you care so much about my opinion on games, and can't except the fact that not everyone has the same taste as you.

[Apossum]

Rei, I've just reported you to the mods. Make your time. Say your goodbyes.


Just watched Blade Runner for the first time. That movie's pretty messed up.

Great movie. I still have to watch the Final Cut. Saving it for Blu-Ray (I'll probably end up with a PS3 this year for MGS4...maybe. depends on what else comes out.)

[whoknows]

What's really depressing is you care so much about my opinion on games, and can't except the fact that not everyone has the same taste as you.

He cares aboutu everyone's opinions on games. Somehow he thinks you aren't allowed to play games he doesn't approve of.

[daroga]

Is it just that you don't like platformers/adventure/goofy racing games?

[jer7583]

What's really depressing is you care so much about my opinion on games, and can't except the fact that not everyone has the same taste as you.

Stock response. I didn't spend the whole day musing about it, cutting myself, and writing dreary blog posts about it. I typed up a message in 30 seconds.

[linkpwns]

Why is it that this thread is only hoppin' if people are arguing?

[Rei no Otaku]

Is it just that you don't like platformers/adventure/goofy racing games?
Pretty much. I like Fire Emblem and Advance Wars for example.
Stock response. I didn't spend the whole day musing about it, cutting myself, and writing dreary blog posts about it. I typed up a message in 30 seconds.
Don't believe you. You're typing about it in your private blog right now. Don't lie.

[linkpwns]

Don't believe you. You're typing about it in your private blog right now. Don't lie.

"Today, I had an argument with some guy who goes by the name 'Rei no Otaku'...

What kinda sick bastard doesn't like Nintendo games?!"

[jer7583]

Why is it that this thread is only hoppin' if people are arguing?

Because all anyone cares about is conflict.

Consider this a GGT experiment.

I wrote up a fairly long, few paragraph bit about death being an outdated mechanic in games and asked for discussion.

I also said Rei was an ass for not liking Nintendo games.

Guess which one got responded to.

You guys failed. No more getting on my case for being negative.

[daroga]

Pretty much. I like Fire Emblem and Advance Wars for example.Ah, well, that makes sense then. I think by and large the Nintendo titles in those fields are the prime examples of the types, but if you don't care for the type at large, that would track.

Although the thought of someone possibly not liking Mario 3 blows my mind. To China.

[linkpwns]

Well, your thoughts on the death mechanic makes good points. However, people love explanation... how would a game explain that you can die and die and just come back to life in the same spot?

EDIT: Oh, and Rei, wouldn't that make three Wii games that you want to play? NMH, Fire Emblem, and Tales?

[Rei no Otaku]

True, but FE isn't a "play now" game for me. I can wait for that one. I REALLY want to play NMH though, and I know I'll want that Tales game ASAP.

[daroga]

I'd just get it. If you've got the cash and have games on it and coming for it that you'll play, why not? NMH is solid.

[whoknows]

True, but FE isn't a "play now" game for me. I can wait for that one. I REALLY want to play NMH though, and I know I'll want that Tales game ASAP.

No no, you can't play Tales. That's a JRPG and Jer does not approve.

[jer7583]

Well, your thoughts on the death mechanic makes good points. However, people love explanation... how would a game explain that you can die and die and just come back to life in the same spot?

Some people had problems with the Bioshock Vita Chambers, but some people also rated it game of the year. Prey had one way of doing it, and Prince of Persia: Sands of Time did it best, I think. We've also got a whole genre where people are regularly killed in battle and revived with items, as long as everyone's not dead. Who's to say your airship or "not in battle friend" couldn't throw one of those items into play?

It's all about how you write your scenario and work the mechanics.

[jer7583]

No no, you can't play Tales. That's a JRPG and Jer does not approve.

Funny, I'm playing Lost Odyssey and Final Fantasy 8. Last I checked those weren't thrown together by the cave etchings of the Madagascans.

[linkpwns]

Some people had problems with the Bioshock Vita Chambers, but some people also rated it game of the year. Prey had one way of doing it, and Prince of Persia: Sands of Time did it best, I think. We've also got a whole genre where people are regularly killed in battle and revived with items, as long as everyone's not dead. Who's to say your airship or "not in battle friend" couldn't throw one of those items into play?

It's all about how you write your scenario and work the mechanics.

Well, the Sands of Time did it well, but they still made you replay areas of the game... wasn't that more of your complaint?

[whoknows]

Funny, I'm playing Lost Odyssey and Final Fantasy 8. Last I checked those weren't thrown together by the cave etchings of the Madagascans.

I think everyone remembers your essay on why JRPG's suck. I'm not surprised you're playing LO though.

[Apossum]

As for intelligent discussion-

Why do games still have death mechanics in them? Every game should at least have the option to play through it without worrying about dying and having to redo sections. Death is an antiquated notion that stems from the coin-op arcade design that was meant to get your quarters. Now that we pay up front for games most often, shouldn't we be allowed to play them as we wish, without being penalized in such artificial ways?

Alternatives to "dying" in games-
Ninja Dog Mode Humiliate the player/reduce the experience as penalty for lack of skill
Reward- Focus only on rewards for skilled players that normal or poorly skilled players cannot unlock
Branching Story- Write your stories in such a way that failure does not necessarily end the game, but provides a less interesting or shorter experience.

Fable 2 used to have a fairly badass penalty for failure. Either spend XP to arise quickly, or wait and become permanetly disfigured from battle in some way. Unfortunately people were too whiny about it, and Fable 2 now uses the same old shit as every other game.


now that you've pointed it out, I'll bite.

I can't think of a game that has come out recently that completely kills your progress for dying. As in, setting you right back to the beginning, taking away all progress (aside from shmups.) It's a non-issue these days.

I don't think death is an antiquated notion, except in the sense I just mentioned. There should be an incentive to get better at the game and death fills that role, no?

The solutions you provided aren't alternatives to dying in games. Ninja Dog is unlocked after dying in the game several times. it's a "negative reward." DMC does the same thing-- you still die, but enemies get handicapped after so many continues. A branching story that stiffs you on the full experience is an even harsher penalty than having to replay certain parts.

It seems like you're talking about results coming from dying in a game other than simply replaying the part...but I'm not sure what you're criticizing exactly.

[jer7583]

Well, the Sands of Time did it well, but they still made you replay areas of the game... wasn't that more of your complaint?

I don't think it would be considered replaying if you failed that particular section. Missing a wall run and falling into a pit of spikes, then doing the wall run again is different than dying and going back to the last save point or checkpoint 3 rooms back. Allowing you to retry the specific task you failed is probably the real goal of this rearrangement of failure mechanisms.

I think everyone remembers your essay on why JRPG's suck. I'm not surprised you're playing LO though.

Any chance you'll drop the personal attacks and talk games? Or do you need to be right? Okay. Whoknows is right.

[Dr Mario Kart]

The save mechanic is often integrated into the game itself. For instance, in a classical survival horror game, Resident Evil for example, theres a tension that is created by not only having to find a type-writer to save, but also having the ink ribbons on you necessary to save.

Theres nothing artificial about it, its part of the game. Not all games have to use the same mechanics nor SHOULD they.

Why should I fear the challenge of any situation if I can immediately try it when I lose. Any sort of XP loss or something is a trivial push to me, compared to having to do an entire section over.

[whoknows]

Any chance you'll drop the personal attacks and talk games? Or do you need to be right? Okay. Whoknows is right.

Well as long as you know I'm right

[Rei no Otaku]

Any chance you'll drop the personal attacks and talk games? Or do you need to be right? Okay. Whoknows is right.
Lmao. You asking someone to drop personal attacks.

[jer7583]

Resident Evil is a really good example of a game that relies on tension built around not being able to save readily and death being imminent. It's a good reason why not every game should get rid of dying.

I think it's telling how not fun replaying sections is that there are whole games that build tension based on the threat of having to replay.

But what about a Resident Evil that has a "cinematic mode" that never makes you die? It'd be a lot more fun the second time around, and even your non-gaming girlfriend could get through it without giving up due to difficulty. This variation on the game would really expand the amount of people who can actually experience a game from beginning to end. SO many games go unfinished by people, and it's just silly. How many movies do you start and not finish? That it is considered acceptable to get an incomplete experience is a big problem for games.

I don't know how many people I've heard say "Oh crap, I have to do it again!?" when losing at a game. That's just not fun for some people. And it should really be about fun.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

Oh it's quite easy to hate crappy games.

You're goin' to heeeeeeeeellllllllllllllll.

Well, jeez. Why the hell is N+ so addictive? It's like crack, only uglier.

You know what I hate in games? Fucking bosses. Not all bosses. I'm talking the bosses who have 2334 times more health then you, do 3343 more points of damage than you, are total assholes and bore you do death as you die against them multiple times because of their irrational Awesomeness.

Regarding death in games, whatever. Thinking back, there are very few recent games I can think of that actually have a heavy penalty for death other than restarting.

You know what else pisses me off? Getting a Game Over in Super Mario Galaxy. The only penalty there is to send you back to the title screen. You don't lose any progress, you just have to click through a few menus to get back to the game. Why.

[The Mana Knight]

Where are all the JRPG's this gen? Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Enchanted Arms. 3? That's it?They take a long time to develop, that's the problem (also factor in the launch difference between Japan and U.S. was 6+ months for PS1, Saturn, PS2, Dreamcast, etc. giving devs more time). PS1 didn't start to see decent RPGs until 1997 (It came out in late 1994 in Japan) and didn't start to build a decent selection of RPGs until 1999. The SNES didn't have many RPGs early on but started to get more as it was out a few years. PS2 only had FFX and Shadow Hearts in 1.5 years (the only two RPGs I'd consider worth owning at the time), the next year had a few more RPGs, but PS2 didn't start having a decent selection of RPGs until 2003/2004. GBA and PSP started off with a lot of RPGs ported early on, but eventually started to get original RPGs after being out over 2 years. DS started out with mostly mediocre RPGs, but has started to get much better (especially late last year and this year). We won't be seeing a good number of RPGs until 2009. They will probably take longer to come this generation, since development time on the newer consoles is definitely longer. Right now, most new released RPGs are coming to PSP/DS, since they've been out enough time to get them out.

Basically, the situation with RPGs is they take at least 2 years to develop (many times longer) and the only way to get them out quickly is if one was ported from another platform, the developers were the very first to get development kits and started asap (and basically only worked on it, like Mistwalker and Square with FFX), a 2D low budget RPG (usually by Idea Factory), or some quickly made dungeon explorer (like Evolution, Metal Dungeon, etc.). The first time a dev makes an RPG, they have to develop an all new graphic engine (which takes time) and learn the platform. Once their first RPG comes and goes, releasing a 2nd one will take much less time.

That's why I tell people if you are a big RPG fan, it's best to wait at least 2-3 years to upgrade your console (usually consoles have several FPS and racers early on). JRPGs are usually the last genre to fill up a console and are the usually one of the last few games released on a console (when it dies off).

A good number of JRPGs will come over time, no doubt about it.

There are several posts in this thread I want to reply to, but I'll get to the rest later

[Nelo Ice]

gah really hoping LO dmc 4 or NMH have a decent sale before brawl :pray:

[Apossum]

But what about a Resident Evil that has a "cinematic mode" that never makes you die? It'd be a lot more fun the second time around, and even your non-gaming girlfriend could get through it without giving up due to difficulty. This variation on the game would really expand the amount of people who can actually experience a game from beginning to end. SO many games go unfinished by people, and it's just silly. How many movies do you start and not finish? That it is considered acceptable to get an incomplete experience is a big problem for games.


Games going unfinished probably has more to do with all of them being 20 hours long and not being captivating all the way through than it does with having to replay sections.



I don't know how many people I've heard say "Oh crap, I have to do it again!?" when losing at a game. That's just not fun for some people. And it should really be about fun.


They make things for those people:
http://i26.tinypic.com/245io82.jpg

[whoknows]

gah really hoping LO dmc 4 or NMH have a decent sale before brawl :pray:

NMH is an Ubisoft game so I don't think you'll be waiting too long for that.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

You know what else pisses me off? When games forgo any sort of HUD or health bar to instead have the screen flash, become discolored, shake, or otherwise get fucked up when you're about to die. Because that's what I fucking want when I'm about to get killed, the inability to see what's happening so I can save my ass.

[Nelo Ice]

NMH is an Ubisoft game so I don't think you'll be waiting too long for that.

thats what im hoping for though i almost pulled the trigger twice but luckily my target didnt have it in stock both times i went :lol:

[Azumangaman]

You know what else pisses me off? When games forgo any sort of HUD or health bar to instead have the screen flash, become discolored, shake, or otherwise get fucked up when you're about to die. Because that's what I fucking want when I'm about to get killed, the inability to see what's happening so I can save my ass.
Hehehehe. Yeah, that can get really annoying.

[jer7583]

Apossum makes good points- Games are too long. They're also too expensive. 3-5 hour, $15-20 games should be the norm now. Portal says hi. And lol about the Game Genie- Why should you have to buy a separate peripheral that allows you to do that? Wouldn't they be able to sell more games more often to people if they blew through them that way?

You know what else pisses me off? When games forgo any sort of HUD or health bar to instead have the screen flash, become discolored, shake, or otherwise get fucked up when you're about to die. Because that's what I fucking want when I'm about to get killed, the inability to see what's happening so I can save my ass.

Call of Duty 4 was a bad one with that. I think hud's don't need to go, but they need to be simplified, more intuitive. A lot of games could be made more fun by having a less discrete and more ambiguous experience. Ditch the meters and numbers, and take time to give the game some feeling.

[Dr Mario Kart]

I think the most common save philosophy is that save points are somewhere safe, whether in a town or at some pocketed oasis in the midst of danger. I like having that lingering fear around, regardless of the genre.

I think it works fine, despite its shortcomings.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

And a sub-pissOff of that? Fucking Kane and Lynch in co-op. When your partner is downed and you have to give him a shot of ?? (adrenaline?) to save him and not fail the mission, your side of the screen (not your partner, but YOU) turns black and white and you can't hear anything. That's helpful when you're being shot at.

Speaking of simplified HUDs, a game that did that well was The Darkness, IMO. Even though it still had flashy fuck shit screen for your health (I think), the amount of darkness "energy" you had was shown by how full the eyes of the Darkness tentacles were, and the power you had equipped was shown by the color of the eyes.

[jer7583]

Kane and Lynch is just a whole lot of problems wrapped in a candy shell of presents recently ran over by your parents car.

[Jesus_S_Preston]

It actually fooled me into liking it, on co-op.

Until fucking Havana.

Eat me, Havana.

[daroga]

Patapon is wild.

And I'm terrible at it. I think I promptly lost the first mission is was possible to lose.

[gunm]

I think game length varies with the type of game. Portal is fine for what it is, but I don't necessarily want all the games to be short just for the sake of length. Games have been about the same price for a loooong time. Plus, we have CAG to help us save money if that's our agenda.

[linkpwns]

I would hate a JRPG at 3-5 hours. Imagine 3 hours of cutscenes, 2 hours of gameplay? Wouldn't you feel ripped off, even at 20 dollars?