What kind of loser would vote for Hillary or Mccain?

[HuppSav]

Same kind of moron that would waste a vote on G.W. or John Kerry.
Why do people even join the Republican, Independant or Democratic party?
It just doesn't make sense.

[JolietJake]

Well you have to list a party in some states to vote. Thankfully i don't, so i belong to no party.:D

[niceguyshawne]

People like parties. They can invite all of their friends and have soda and pie. I hope no bad people show up.

[Xevious]

People who think Obama is lacking experience....thats who

(in case you are wondering....I'm undecided)

[Magehart]

I don't like the colored folks. No sir. Not one bit.

I'm voting for McCain because outside of his war stance every issue he stands for I support. Even the war stance isn't that bad. But I voted for Romney in the Primary if that's any consolidation.

Anyways OP; your ignorance is showing. Calling people losers because you disagree with them is the tactful move of a 13 year old. This is why I wish we'd up the voting age to 25.

[Koggit]

I voted for Romney

Ew.

[N1c0_ds]

I'm Canadian, voting is pointless here. "From a moron to another" should've been our devise. Damn Canadian governement...

Anyway my vote would go to Obama. He looks like a man of change, but as the campaign goes on, he tends to look more and more of a guru or something. Anything but Hillary!

[HuppSav]

Nonpartisan is the only way to go, unless you want to feel like a sheep being led to the slaughter. If Hilary or mccain win I am leaving the country; because I will have lost all hope for this country, my friends.

[Magehart]

Nonpartisan is the only way to go, unless you want to feel like a sheep being led to the slaughter. If Hilary or mccain win I am leaving the country; because I will have lost all hope for this country, my friends.

What makes Obama such a saint? Don't give me any bullcrap speech about change. You can cite change all you want if you back it with fact.

[HuppSav]

He is the only candidate I have seen that I believe has no hidden agendas.
You look into his eyes and you know he is something different, something special.
Hillary is the defenition of a politician and that is not a good thing. I look at her smurk and listen to her comments, and it is enough to make me vomit. Mccain is about equal to Bush in terms of smarts, nuff said.

[ElwoodCuse]

don't blame me, I voted for Kodos

[fatherofcaitlyn]

Nonpartisan is the only way to go, unless you want to feel like a sheep being led to the slaughter. If Hilary or mccain win I am leaving the country; because I will have lost all hope for this country, my friends.

Ah, but where will you go?

I watched the round table discussion on Real Time with Bill Maher. They bring up a valid point: what is Obama's stance on the 180,000 contractors in Iraq? Some are Blackwater, others are truck drivers and other are bricklayers.

[Hitze]

This is why I wish we'd up the voting age to 25.

There are still a bunch of idiots over 25 years old(such as the people blabbing about how Obama is working for "teh terroristz"). Something like an IQ Test just to make sure you aren't brain-dead would be cool, though.

By the way OP, I too would like to know why people join the Independent Party. :dunce:

[Liquid 2]

What kind of loser would even vote?

We all know it's a big Jewish, corporate conspiracy and that none of our votes count anyways!

[evanft]

This thread kinda fails.

[HuppSav]

This thread kinda fails.
Maybe, but only because of comments like that.

[lanzarlaluna]

I guess I'm a loser. =[

[thrustbucket]

I'm non-affiliated as well. Romney was the only guy that I thought was a possibility, that was a front-runner.

I'll probably have to sit this election out. The other three candidates churn my stomach in different directions.

[Koggit]

I'm non-affiliated as well. Romney was the only guy that I thought was a possibility, that was a front-runner.

I'll probably have to sit this election out. The other three candidates churn my stomach in different directions.

Romney and Paul were the two worst candidates, IMO.

The three front runners are all much better than our choices in 2004 -- the only way we won't have win-win tickets is if Romney is McCain's running mate.

[daroga]

Man, McCain and Clinton could save a lot of money campaigning if they just had the OP as Obama's main PR man. He'd be out like *that*.

Seriously, bud, calling someone a "loser" because he doesn't necessarily get on board with your candidate choice is kind of a one-finger-point-with-three-pointing-back-at-you scenario. Besides, there's already a lengthy and established Obama thread. Why not just post there?

[hec204]

Vote or die!
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[t0llenz]

I'm with...well, the bulk of this thread. Calling someone a loser because of their voting choice is ridiculous. I was a big Thompson guy up until he dropped out, but I like McCain's practical approach to create conservative solutions to problems.

Obama's just like any other politician, the difference being he's able to invoke a sense of hope in people and has less federal experience. He's still got some skeletons in his closet, I'm sure of it -- especially when people start discussing his connections with ]Rezko (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/05/politics/politico/main3911097.shtml?source=mostpop_story). Once he's fully vetted like Clinton and McCain, people will begin to say -- hmm, he too has done something that I may view as shifty and begin to actually take him for what he is -- a candidate for President who has views that they should look into and decide based on that.

[fatherofcaitlyn]

He's still got some skeletons in his closet, I'm sure of it -- especially when people start discussing his connections with ]Rezko (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/05/politics/politico/main3911097.shtml?source=mostpop_story).

Yeah, I saw Head of State, too. Obama received money from assholes. What of it?

[thrustbucket]

Romney and Paul were the two worst candidates, IMO.

The three front runners are all much better than our choices in 2004 -- the only way we won't have win-win tickets is if Romney is McCain's running mate.

So I take it you love government and are all for more government and bigger taxes?

[The Crotch]

Yep. Preferably enforced by the UN.

[Nixon's Revenge]

While I wouldn't call the people who are voting for the current runners as "losers", I certainly cannot see eye-to-eye politically.

Then again, the closest candidate that came even remotely close to my political positions was Ron Paul who completely lost my vote when he started jabbering about the Gold Standard... :roll:

[Sarang01]

Romney and Paul were the two worst candidates, IMO.

The three front runners are all much better than our choices in 2004 -- the only way we won't have win-win tickets is if Romney is McCain's running mate.

Ok I can see Romney but with Paul I believe you're deluded. Paul all the way for me. I consider Obama, McCain and Clinton all Globalist pigs who want to help flush our country down the toilet.
If they get elected and pull out of Iraq and start to push heavy on getting Electric cars out there or one's with a REAL gas mileage that makes gas prices tolerable THEN I'll believe they're about something. If this happens or starts to most likely they'll be shot however.

[HuppSav]

People that did vote for Romney, Hillary, and Mccaine should be shot.
Just like that murderer G.W.:fridge:Conservative this, left wing that, shut the f up, grow a pair and be your own person. I hate these stupid political clicks, they just don't cut it anymore.

[Sarang01]

People that did vote for Romney, Hillary, and Mccaine should be shot.
Just like that murderer G.W.:fridge:Conservative this, left wing that, shut the f up, grow a pair and be your own person. I hate these stupid political clicks, they just don't cut it anymore.

You want to see some real issues start to be addressed? We need 3rd parties to get elected in Congress and pass "Runoff voting" for Congress and especially the Presidency.
Realize that the Democrats and Republicans you see in Congress right now are two sides of the same coin. They support free trade, Israel and other things with no question. Also if you bitch anything about the foreign policy of Israel expect to be labeled an Anti-Semite immediately. If you bitch about Saudi Arabia, Iraq or any of these countries are you labeled anti-Arab? If you bitch about Japan are you anti-Japanese?

[gobz]

I voted for Bud Light

[TheL1T1G4T0R]

I don't like the colored folks. No sir. Not one bit.

I'm voting for McCain because outside of his war stance every issue he stands for I support. Even the war stance isn't that bad. But I voted for Romney in the Primary if that's any consolidation.

Anyways OP; your ignorance is showing. Calling people losers because you disagree with them is the tactful move of a 13 year old. This is why I wish we'd up the voting age to 25.


I think your first line already proves exactly why this country is hated by the world. Good luck with that whole McCain thing.

[Magehart]

I think your first line already proves exactly why this country is hated by the world. Good luck with that whole McCain thing.

And your attitude toward my post is why political correctness has run a muck in this country. Anyways you think racism is why other countries hate us so much? We are one of the most tolerant on the planet. After all we're so hated by many other countries because we're "Americans". You even said so in your own post. Isn't that no better than my so called "evil" comment. Go back to your sandbox now.

OP your ignorance towards other peoples opinions is astounding. You see the glamour of one guy and you'll rail anyone who doesn't get a long with your opinion. You listen to way too much CNN. Every candidate has their Pros and Cons. There is no perfect one. You choose the lesser of the evils. G.W. in the 2000 election was definitely the lesser. If it wasn't for Iraq I think he would've been downright tolerable.

Anyways OP you'll never win votes for Obama here. In fact you'll probably turn them away from Obama just so the other voters can't be associated with you.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/Magehart/tennisstupidity.jpg

[HuppSav]

Israel is just another American base right now. Yeah i know people can sterotype you as a conservative or what not but don't go parading around saying you are such. :drool: We whine and complain about the most insignificant things it makes me want to go to a better country. All we need to do is start taking care of the earth and everything on it. We want to colonize freaking mars because we are so f-ed up my friends. I wonder how many terrorists the US has created while ignoring education, transportation, and global warming?:applause:No my freinds, lets go stick our finger or better yet fist, up the rest of the worlds ass. We are so powerful yet so sickeningly weak.:cry:

[Koggit]

And your attitude toward my post is why political correctness has run a muck in this country.


Your use of "amuck" reminds me of Ron Burgundy's use of "when in Rome"

[evanft]

Holy shit....it's like RegalSin and level1online had a kid or something.

[thrustbucket]

Israel is just another American base right now. Yeah i know people can stereotype you as a conservative or what not but don't go parading around saying you are such. :drool: We whine and complain about the most insignificant things it makes me want to go to a better country.

Name one better country. Then please promptly go there. You people that hate our country so much, yet have to stay here and try to change the way it was originally set up, are the biggest problems we have. Just leave already.


All we need to do is start taking care of the earth and everything on it. We want to colonize freaking mars because we are so f-ed up my friends. I wonder how many terrorists the US has created while ignoring education, transportation, and global warming?:applause:No my freinds, lets go stick our finger or better yet fist, up the rest of the worlds ass. We are so powerful yet so sickeningly weak.:cry:

Huh? Ignoring Transportation created terrorists? ;)

So you are a member of the man-made global warming cult and love globalist agenda.... Well too each his own, but like I said above, go find a better country then. But before you do so, please explore my sig. If you don't have an hour to spend on it, just watch the last 10 minutes.

I hear a lot of Romney bashing in here, without anything to back it up. Someone please explain to me how he is worse than the front runners we have, on issues. Unless your argument is simply that the two party system does not work and both are ultimately puppets of the same masters, then I'd agree.

[Magehart]

Your use of "amuck" reminds me of Ron Burgundy's use of "when in Rome"

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[Koggit]

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It wasn't just the spelling, dude. Your use didn't make sense at all. His post is an example of why political correctness is running amuck? It's nonsense on a couple different levels.

Foremost, political correctness doesn't run amuck -- to run amuck is for craziness to go unchecked. Typically it would be like a convict escaping and killing innocents -- that'd be a convict running amuck in the city.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you simply meant that a fixation on political correctness is widespread in America, which may be a true statement, his post does not exemplify that, and is most certainly not "why", as you claimed it to be.

You could've saved face by not responding to my first post... you can still show a little dignity by not responding to this one...

[bigdaddy]

Old people and women.

[Msut77]

You people that hate our country so much, yet have to stay here and try to change the way it was originally set up, are the biggest problems we have. Just leave already.

You and your ilk are the ones who have been ruining this country for years now.

You are being incredibly obtuse if you do not recognize that.

[HuppSav]

No, you moron, we breed terrorists because we have our fists so far up the worlds ass.
We just need to concentrate on doing some good and stop worrying about who is going to attack us.

[davo1224]

Not really feeling Obama at the moment. All his supporters seem blind to me. When asked what they like, they always mention change. Change for change's sake might be awesome now, but this has to last for four years. I think he's riding by on his charisma and that's pretty much it.

Whether or not I like Hillary is up for debate. However, true change would be putting a woman in a position of power. Black or not, Obama is still a man.

[Hitze]

Whether or not I like Hillary is up for debate. However, true change would be putting a woman in a position of power. Black or not, Obama is still a man.

Using that logic...can't you say "Woman or not, Hillary is still white"?

[wubb]

A jealous loser.

[thrustbucket]

You and your ilk are the ones who have been ruining this country for years now.

You are being incredibly obtuse if you do not recognize that.

What is my ilk?

I simply happen to like the constitution. I like most of how the country was originally set up. I don't like how it's changed since the new deal. What's wrong with that?

Seriously, it makes no logical sense to stay here if you disagree. If you don't like how this country was founded, if you want to change the constitution rather than enforce it, then why not go to a "better" country? There are millions of people in the world that would love to trade places with a despondent America hating American.

[Msut77]

What is my ilk?

The idiots who wish ruin this country to drag us back to a time that never actually existed.

[HuppSav]

Obamma is not just about change, he is about actually wanting to do something for the people. He is the only person I can trust to make decisions that actually matter. Mccain is too old and stupid to realize what we need to do. He says what he means, which is good, but he won't make the right decisions. Hillary has way too many agendas and does not understand how to do anything the right way, and she defiantely can't bring people together. The thought of her as commander in chief is scary. She is worse than rubbish and would be just terrible! She doesn't have all this experience she claims she does and it's really just funny and heartwrenching at the same time to listen to her speak to sheep at her events.

[JolietJake]

Bush was the lesser of two evils in 2000? What is so evil about Al Gore? Any shady dealings he may have are probably at least equaled by bush's own.

[sweeetja713]

If you don't like how this country was founded, if you want to change the constitution rather than enforce it, then why not go to a "better" country? There are millions of people in the world that would love to trade places with a despondent America hating American.

Funny, I thought our country was founded on change. Isn't that the reason we have the ability to amend the constitution, in case something needs changed? Our founders foresaw the fact that we would need change over the years. Why does everyone think being a patriot means blindly following the government. Some of the truest patriots want to change the country for the better.

It doesn't take a genius to see we're heading for some bad times right now and something does have to change. I'm not saying Obama or anyone else is the answer but at least it's a step in the right direction.

[HuppSav]

Funny, I thought our country was founded on change. Isn't that the reason we have the ability to amend the constitution, in case something needs changed? Our founders foresaw the fact that we would need change over the years. Why does everyone think being a patriot means blindly following the government. Some of the truest patriots want to change the country for the better.

It doesn't take a genius to see we're heading for some bad times right now and something does have to change. I'm not saying Obama or anyone else is the answer but at least it's a step in the right direction.

Well said my friend. People can't give one legitmate excuse as to why they want hillary or Mccain.

[daroga]

People can't give one legitmate excuse as to why they want hillary or Mccain.You misspoke. What you meant to say is that no one can give you one reason to make you question your choice in candidate. And that's fine. But in politics, like in a lot of things, there's no clear-cut right-or-wrong answer. I think that's especially true this go-round. Shades of gray.

And please cut out the personal attacks and inflammatory tone. They're not needed and just rob any decent point you may have had of most if not all of its credibility.

[CocheseUGA]

Well said my friend. People can't give one legitmate excuse as to why they want hillary or Mccain.

Maybe it's because I want some sort of solution between 'defeating the terrorists' and 'letting the terrorists win.'

Maybe it's because I feel actually doing something in the Senate is better than talking about what others did in the Senate.

Maybe it's because the man hasn't addressed (aside from his internet site) what exactly he's going to do if he got into office. He's offered us everything except free fries on Tuesdays, but hasn't told us how he plans to finance all of this.

Maybe because I feel our best foreign policy is one that actually exists, or is at least a combination of force and diplomacy, not one or another.

Maybe because I don't want to cut and run from Iraq, and don't feel like invading Iran.

[thrustbucket]

Funny, I thought our country was founded on change. Isn't that the reason we have the ability to amend the constitution, in case something needs changed?
Yes. You are correct so far.
But it's worth mentioning that having that one gift that you mention is also our downfall. Because as soon as the people figure out how to use democracy to get access to the treasury, it's the beginning of the end. Thus is the cycle of Democratic governments. If you want to accelerate that, then make sure you vote for the person that gives you the most from the treasury. I'll let you figure out who that is.

Our founders foresaw the fact that we would need change over the years. Why does everyone think being a patriot means blindly following the government. Some of the truest patriots want to change the country for the better.

I would agree that blindly following the government is the worst thing anyone could do. That is definitely NOT patriotic.

However, giving the government more control, more power, more money and letting them into more aspects of our lives is virtually the same thing.

So it's perplexing why you would be arguing in favor of those who clearly demonstrate these desires and at the same time argue against government trust and dependency.


It doesn't take a genius to see we're heading for some bad times right now and something does have to change. I'm not saying Obama or anyone else is the answer but at least it's a step in the right direction.

Agreed, we are heading for some bad times. It's time for change. It's time to take power away from the Federal government and let people govern themselves. It's time to give people true OPPORTUNITY if they want to WORK HARD. And time to start cutting the hand-outs and high taxes. It's time to stop teaching our children to depend on the government like a baby on a tit, and grow up.

So you let me know when there is a candidate that wants real, concrete, useful change. It seems to me, that those that do are labeled nuts, while the candidates that promise more of the same of the last 80 years are considered "change".

[sweeetja713]

I would agree that blindly following the government is the worst thing anyone could do. That is definitely NOT patriotic.

However, giving the government more control, more power, more money and letting them into more aspects of our lives is virtually the same thing.

So it's perplexing why you would be arguing in favor of those who clearly demonstrate these desires and at the same time argue against government trust and dependency.

I'm not arguing in favor of those who want to expand government. I'm looking at our choices. Realistically we are stuck with a two party system. Thus far these candidates look better than some we've had in the past. Do I agree with all their views? Hell no. I think Obama is riding on charisma, Hillary is riding on her marriage, and McCain has taken a huge step back from his views and statements from 2000. Naturally a huge amount of this is political pandering on all their parts but I can at least hope right? Sad thing is if you mixed their views together you might have a pretty good president. At least everyone of them claims to be in favor of a mixed cabinet. It's about time they stop doing things solely on party lines.



Agreed, we are heading for some bad times. It's time for change. It's time to take power away from the Federal government and let people govern themselves. It's time to give people true OPPORTUNITY if they want to WORK HARD. And time to start cutting the hand-outs and high taxes. It's time to stop teaching our children to depend on the government like a baby on a tit, and grow up.

So you let me know when there is a candidate that wants real, concrete, useful change. It seems to me, that those that do are labeled nuts, while the candidates that promise more of the same of the last 80 years are considered "change".

I agree with most of that. However, sometimes hard work isn't enough. For example my friend was laid off in the massive Circuit City layoffs. Despite an incredible number of applications he still hasn't managed to find another job. He's either too qualified or the wages they'd pay at some shit job wouldn't cover the costs of gas. He needs the unemployment right now. Hand-outs are sometimes necessary and while sometimes abused I would rather they be abused by some than not be available for those that truly need it.

As far as candidates for real change, I completely agree but as I said above it's just not going to happen. The only way to change the situation is with small steps and I have hope that whichever candidate is elected will at least start us in that direction.

[thrustbucket]

I'm not arguing in favor of those who want to expand government. I'm looking at our choices. Realistically we are stuck with a two party system. Thus far these candidates look better than some we've had in the past. Do I agree with all their views? Hell no. I think Obama is riding on charisma, Hillary is riding on her marriage, and McCain has taken a huge step back from his views and statements from 2000. Naturally a huge amount of this is political pandering on all their parts but I can at least hope right? Sad thing is if you mixed their views together you might have a pretty good president. At least everyone of them claims to be in favor of a mixed cabinet. It's about time they stop doing things solely on party lines.

I can pretty much agree with you there. Good statement.





I agree with most of that. However, sometimes hard work isn't enough. For example my friend was laid off in the massive Circuit City layoffs. Despite an incredible number of applications he still hasn't managed to find another job. He's either too qualified or the wages they'd pay at some shit job wouldn't cover the costs of gas. He needs the unemployment right now. Hand-outs are sometimes necessary and while sometimes abused I would rather they be abused by some than not be available for those that truly need it.

As far as candidates for real change, I completely agree but as I said above it's just not going to happen. The only way to change the situation is with small steps and I have hope that whichever candidate is elected will at least start us in that direction.


I'm sorry to hear about your friend, and I myself just came off unemployment (back into the game industry now). I have very mixed feelings about stuff like unemployment. Having been on it so long, I can see how it's easy to abuse, sometimes I felt like the government should make me go take the job of an illegal alien and not be a leach, but I was too much of a pussy to do it myself. I sucked on the tit until it ran dry, and I'm not proud of it.

I don't pretend to have all the answers, I just can't stand to see so many people (not you) that really seem to believe the government is their crutch. They want the governments help/interference with every aspect of their life. It's wrong, and scary.

Anyway, thanks for sharing some meaningful thoughts about this stuff and not resorting to bomb throwing like so many.

[RAMSTORIA]

Obamma is not just about change, he is about actually wanting to do something for the people. He is the only person I can trust to make decisions that actually matter. Mccain is too old and stupid to realize what we need to do. He says what he means, which is good, but he won't make the right decisions. Hillary has way too many agendas and does not understand how to do anything the right way, and she defiantely can't bring people together. The thought of her as commander in chief is scary. She is worse than rubbish and would be just terrible! She doesn't have all this experience she claims she does and it's really just funny and heartwrenching at the same time to listen to her speak to sheep at her events.

brilliant argument, ill change my vote now.

[HuppSav]

John Locke is a bitch just like Hillary.
Vote for Change!