Possilby Rare NES Baseball cart!!

[Sinnbox]

I found this at a local buy/sell/trade shop. I'm not sure what it is. I have heard it may possibly be a pirate cart. let me know what you think!!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=220210120174&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=012

[strikeratt]

Pirate in my opinion .. doesn't even look like an orginal NES cart. The real question is ... does it play?

[GizmoGC]

Fake

[LinkTGF]

I love how it's labeled "Baseball Cassette" :lol:

[FeNoM91]

Damn. Pirated to shit. Hopefully you paid 50 cents for it.

[Sinnbox]

I got it for .99. I'm hoping there are afew Pirate cart colletors that will bid.

[addicted2games]

I though ebay doesnt allow you to sell pirated software. Auction might get pulled.

[Sinnbox]

Pirate in my opinion .. doesn't even look like an orginal NES cart. The real question is ... does it play?

Ya I think i fired it up a few months ago when i found it. I will fire it up again and clean the connections if anyone actualy bids on the game.

[Sinnbox]

I though ebay doesnt allow you to sell pirated software. Auction might get pulled.

I'm a little worried about that, if they do im only out the .10 listing fee.

[YoshiFan1]

EBay doesn't care, I was looking for a rare GBC import game about 2 years ago. I found a listing for it but it was a bootleg, I reported it to EBay and they didn't pull it (I only reported it because they were purposely trying to pass off a bootleg as a legit game). Not to mention all the sellers in Asia selling bootleg GBA games that EBay doesn't care about.

No, they only decide to pull legitimate auctions like a PS2 game I had up for auction with a $0.01 BIN with $5.00 shipping (I paid $2.50 for it and hated it so it was worth it to sell it for next to nothing). Sure powersellers can charge $10 to ship a game, but $5.00 is not allowed according to EBay :roll:

[Sinnbox]

EBay doesn't care, I was looking for a rare GBC import game about 2 years ago. I found a listing for it but it was a bootleg, I reported it to EBay and they didn't pull it (I only reported it because they were purposely trying to pass off a bootleg as a legit game). Not to mention all the sellers in Asia selling bootleg GBA games that EBay doesn't care about.

No, they only decide to pull legitimate auctions like a PS2 game I had up for auction with a $0.01 BIN with $5.00 shipping (I paid $2.50 for it and hated it so it was worth it to sell it for next to nothing). Sure powersellers can charge $10 to ship a game, but $5.00 is not allowed according to EBay :roll:

They pulled my copy of Powerstone for $6 shipping because it was to high...They didnt pull Marvel Vs. Capcom...$10 shipping(ya that was back when i charged retarded amounts for popular games)....

[naes]

I fucking hate when people list fucking shipping at an outrageous amount. Those fuckers.

[Sinnbox]

ShaQ FU!!!!

[Sinnbox]

I fucking hate when people list fucking shipping at an outrageous amount. Those fuckers.

How hard is it to realize that if someone charges extra for shipping that you just bid as much on the item?

[thelonepig]

Funny we should start discussing shipping of all things. I was looking for a copy of Resistance earlier today and came across this auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Resistance-Fall-of-Man-Playstation-3_W0QQitemZ250223259116QQihZ015QQcategoryZ62053QQs sPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

$23.99 BIN with $19.99 S&H.

What's more, check out what he has to say about it:

this is a new game. its not in original packing but it still has the original box. its not in packiging because we played it once. but thats why i consider it new.
shipping will be longer then 5 day. i really dont like this game so buy it off me.At least he has it listed as used instead of new.

EDIT: To stay somewhat on topic with the thread, good luck OP! We've seen a lot of these "mystery" style auctions as of late, haven't we? Obviously there is a market for them so I'm sure you'll at least get your $0.99.

[georox]

I fucking hate when people list fucking shipping at an outrageous amount. Those fuckers.

Its even better when buying overseas and they try to ninja some "Due to bla bla bla it'll be 15 dollars to ship this comic-sized book to America using the slowest fucking rate possible." into the text where they hope you won't see it as they change text color and add random Engrish into it. >_>

[naes]

How hard is it to realize that if someone charges extra for shipping that you just bid as much on the item?
Nice, trying to justify overpricing shipping. Good for you.

[Samus]

Um, $6 s/h is not overpriced. Shipping might cost only $3, but factor in gas, time, and the HANDLING fee it's just right.

[pitfallharry219]

The auction got pulled.

[Sinnbox]

Um, $6 s/h is not overpriced. Shipping might cost only $3, but factor in gas, time, and the HANDLING fee it's just right.

Finaly someone that has their head on straight, :). So many people are like why are you charginf $5 it only cost you $2.50 to ship my game, I say well it took me gas to get to the Post office, and that evelope was 4.50, bublewrap was about $.50. ect...

I just sent E-bay a E-Mail that i purchased that game at a large Resell chain in the US and that they would ahve thrown it away if it was a copyright violation. I aslo asked them to show me which copyright had been broken.

I don't see why they let people sell burned copy's of Marvel vs Capcom 2 for dreamcast, but pull my item because it "Violates copyright laws" I purchased it at a Licsenced resell location.

[phear3d]

damn i missed the auction.. the market for these are independent game stores that sells similar items.

[Sinnbox]

If anyone that saw the auction is interested let me know, It's still for sale... :)

[naes]

Um, $6 s/h is not overpriced. Shipping might cost only $3, but factor in gas, time, and the HANDLING fee it's just right.
Alright, if you don't want to pay for YOUR gas, YOUR time and YOUR handling, don't list YOUR item on eBay.

[Sinnbox]

Alright, if you don't want to pay for YOUR gas, YOUR time and YOUR handling, don't list YOUR item on eBay.

Do you expect Walmart.com to pay for the time and expenses it costs them to ship your item?

[naes]

Do you expect Walmart.com to pay for the time and expenses it costs them to ship your item?
They do. Site to store shipping.

[thelonepig]

Handling fees are not a bad thing. People that say otherwise are fooling themselves.

On the subject of Walmart.com, there is the option for site-to-store. They throw your item on the truck with all the rest of their stuff. It's going anyway, why charge extra? There are some items that you can't do site-to-store and you are charged a shipping and handling fee. Most retailers still charge these fees (though many are going the way of Amazon and not charging it for sales over a certain amount).

Here is ebay's word on the subject:

In addition to the final listing price, sellers are permitted to charge:

Actual Shipping cost: This is the actual cost (i.e. postage) for shipping the item.

Handling Fee: Actual packaging materials costs may be charged. A handling fee in addition to actual shipping cost may be charged if it is not excessive.
Source (http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-shipping.html)

A $3 handling fee is perfectly justified on a game purchase. Fifty-cents for a bubble mailer and $2.50 for time to package and get it to the PO. Any more than that I would consider a grey area. (Personally I charge $4.50 s&h for DVD-size games.)

For those of you that charge exact shipping, good for you. What do you want, a cookie? You aren't required to do the service and I don't see buyers really going to the same seller again and again just because they charged $1 less in shipping.

[YoshiFan1]

That's true, plus I bet there are people out there that charge exact shipping and they don't even have a 5.0 out of 5.0 for shipping on the star ratings. I charge $1.50 over actual shipping (cost of a bubble mailer and a small handling fee) and I have a 4.8, somehow I don't think charging $1.50 less will give me a 5.0 (I am satisfied with a 4.8 anyway). The 1 cent BIN with $5.00 was the exception. The other thing I hate is how even if you charge a high amount and it really costs that much, people still complain. I was selling a rare PS2 game for $75 with shipping of $8.00 with actual postage costs close to $7.00 (shipping, insurance, deliver confirmation and signature confirmation), and people complained even though I was barely profiting at all after the bubble wrap and bubble envelope.

[GizmoGC]

Finaly someone that has their head on straight, :). So many people are like why are you charginf $5 it only cost you $2.50 to ship my game, I say well it took me gas to get to the Post office, and that evelope was 4.50, bublewrap was about $.50. ect...

I just sent E-bay a E-Mail that i purchased that game at a large Resell chain in the US and that they would ahve thrown it away if it was a copyright violation. I aslo asked them to show me which copyright had been broken.

I don't see why they let people sell burned copy's of Marvel vs Capcom 2 for dreamcast, but pull my item because it "Violates copyright laws" I purchased it at a Licsenced resell location.

Ok...what is the store you purchased it from? I have seen bootleg games many times at EB, GameStop, Game Crazy etc. The cops won't come in and bust you.

[chrisballer]

Its even better when buying overseas and they try to ninja some "Due to bla bla bla it'll be 15 dollars to ship this comic-sized book to America using the slowest fucking rate possible." into the text where they hope you won't see it as they change text color and add random Engrish into it. >_>


lmao :)

[Samus]

Alright, if you don't want to pay for YOUR gas, YOUR time and YOUR handling, don't list YOUR item on eBay.

Um, am I supposed to want to pay for my own gas?

$6 is not excessive. It's on the much higher end of the scale, but it is still somewhat reasonable. If you ship Priority you're likely to lose money on shipping. I'd say about $7-10 is excessive on a First Class shipped game.

[ricoraney]

EBay doesn't care, I was looking for a rare GBC import game about 2 years ago. I found a listing for it but it was a bootleg, I reported it to EBay and they didn't pull it (I only reported it because they were purposely trying to pass off a bootleg as a legit game). Not to mention all the sellers in Asia selling bootleg GBA games that EBay doesn't care about.

No, they only decide to pull legitimate auctions like a PS2 game I had up for auction with a $0.01 BIN with $5.00 shipping (I paid $2.50 for it and hated it so it was worth it to sell it for next to nothing). Sure powersellers can charge $10 to ship a game, but $5.00 is not allowed according to EBay :roll:
That is such Bull! I totally agree with you. Five dollars is really not a whole lot, especially in comparison to some of the other prices they charge for shipping. I couldn't believe they pulled an auction of mine because they said that the shipping was excessive. I was selling an Xbox 360 with 20 games, Halo legendary, and a bunch of other extras. The amount of items and weight of the products justified my shipping cost, but they didn't see it that way. Yet you have people charging $50 to ship a Wii with standard shipping or UPS Ground, and nothing is said or done about it. All about the money. And I am a powerseller as well.

[ricoraney]

That's true, plus I bet there are people out there that charge exact shipping and they don't even have a 5.0 out of 5.0 for shipping on the star ratings. I charge $1.50 over actual shipping (cost of a bubble mailer and a small handling fee) and I have a 4.8, somehow I don't think charging $1.50 less will give me a 5.0 (I am satisfied with a 4.8 anyway). The 1 cent BIN with $5.00 was the exception. The other thing I hate is how even if you charge a high amount and it really costs that much, people still complain. I was selling a rare PS2 game for $75 with shipping of $8.00 with actual postage costs close to $7.00 (shipping, insurance, deliver confirmation and signature confirmation), and people complained even though I was barely profiting at all after the bubble wrap and bubble envelope.
I know what you mean, I am going to start stating the reasoning behind my shipping costs in my ad. And you know, its funny how people can bitch and moan about this shipping costs stuff, but yet they would pay some big name Company an arm and a leg to have something shipped from online or even a catalog.

[naes]

Handling fees are not a bad thing. People that say otherwise are fooling themselves.

On the subject of Walmart.com, there is the option for site-to-store. They throw your item on the truck with all the rest of their stuff. It's going anyway, why charge extra? There are some items that you can't do site-to-store and you are charged a shipping and handling fee. Most retailers still charge these fees (though many are going the way of Amazon and not charging it for sales over a certain amount).

Here is ebay's word on the subject:

Source (http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-shipping.html)

A $3 handling fee is perfectly justified on a game purchase. Fifty-cents for a bubble mailer and $2.50 for time to package and get it to the PO. Any more than that I would consider a grey area. (Personally I charge $4.50 s&h for DVD-size games.)

For those of you that charge exact shipping, good for you. What do you want, a cookie? You aren't required to do the service and I don't see buyers really going to the same seller again and again just because they charged $1 less in shipping.
It says "Actual packaging materials costs may be charged." Not "Money for gas and time."

[Sinnbox]

Ok...what is the store you purchased it from? I have seen bootleg games many times at EB, GameStop, Game Crazy etc. The cops won't come in and bust you.

Disk Replay, It is a new chain that just moved into my area.

It says "Actual packaging materials costs may be charged." Not "Money for gas and time." DUDE let it rest.

[thelonepig]

It says "Actual packaging materials costs may be charged." Not "Money for gas and time."

Great job overlooking the rest of the statement. Let me quote that part again.

A handling fee in addition to actual shipping cost may be charged if it is not excessive.

Like the other user said, let it rest. If not charging a small handling fee makes you feel like a hero, then so be it. Don't call everyone out as thieves just because they do.

[naes]

Great job overlooking the rest of the statement. Let me quote that part again.



Like the other user said, let it rest. If not charging a small handling fee makes you feel like a hero, then so be it. Don't call everyone out as thieves just because they do.
I don't sell on eBay. I'm a buyer.

[Sinnbox]

I don't sell on eBay. I'm a buyer.

I'm not trying to be a jerk but if you dont think to add the shipping price into the ammmount you are willing to spend before you bid that's your problem.

Here is the way i bid.

I think...I'm looking for a Xbox 360 pro...I'm willing to spend $350

I see one with $50 shipping, I bid $300 on this one.
and one with $30 shipping, I bid $320 on this one.

Easy as Pie!!!

[dv8mad]

Its even better when buying overseas and they try to ninja some "Due to bla bla bla it'll be 15 dollars to ship this comic-sized book to America using the slowest fucking rate possible." into the text where they hope you won't see it as they change text color and add random Engrish into it. >_>

That sucks for me though. I live in Japan and I ONLY ship with EMS because it includes tracking, insurance and gets there in only a few days usually.
Still, people have such a chip on their shoulder about others that have raped them on shipping that I get dinged because of it.
My ebay rating on shipping is 4.5 out of 5 and I have NEVER made a profit on shipping. I actually lose a few bucks each time because I don`t charge anything but the shipping fee itself.:cry:

[fillican]

can you post a picture of the game... I never got a chance to see it :-(

[Sinnbox]

^can i post a pic without haveing th epic hosted somewhere?

[naes]

I'm not trying to be a jerk but if you dont think to add the shipping price into the ammmount you are willing to spend before you bid that's your problem.

Here is the way i bid.

I think...I'm looking for a Xbox 360 pro...I'm willing to spend $350

I see one with $50 shipping, I bid $300 on this one.
and one with $30 shipping, I bid $320 on this one.

Easy as Pie!!!
I can't believe that people on CAG actually try to justify overpricing shipping. It's ridiculous.

If I buy 10 items on eBay and each one is overpriced by $3 shipping, that's $30. That adds up quickly. This is why I don't use eBay anymore, but I may come back once that new feedback rule I've been hearing about is in action. The one where sellers can't leave a negative or something. I hate it when sellers leave a retaliatory negative feedback.

[YoshiFan1]

That sucks for me though. I live in Japan and I ONLY ship with EMS because it includes tracking, insurance and gets there in only a few days usually.
Still, people have such a chip on their shoulder about others that have raped them on shipping that I get dinged because of it.
My ebay rating on shipping is 4.5 out of 5 and I have NEVER made a profit on shipping. I actually lose a few bucks each time because I don`t charge anything but the shipping fee itself.:cry:

You would think people who buy games from sellers in Japan would realize shipping is so expensive and not leave a low rating for shipping costs. When I used to buy games from sellers in Japan, I had no problem paying $12 shipping for EMS since I didn't want to take a risk with air mail and it was still way cheaper than buying from import shops online (and shipping was $7+ from most of them as well).

[Kitsune Sniper]

I don't sell on eBay. I'm a buyer.

Then you can't judge sellers for adding small handling charges onto packages - you have no idea how much they're actually paying out of their pocket just to ship your stuff.

Take me, for example. I sell a 15 dollar game that goes first class. I charge $3.50 for one game. Now, in your eyes, this is probably excessive, but postage alone (with delivery confirmation) is usually around $3.20, and then there's the bubble mailer (.55 with taxes) AND the PayPal fee to take into consideration.

Even if I sell an item for $15, I'm only getting $13 or so after fees, and this is BEFORE taking into account the cost of buying the item and eBay's fees.

I'm not defending those scammers that charge $5-$7 for media mail, however. Those guys can rot in hell.

[thelonepig]

If I buy 10 items on eBay and each one is overpriced by $3 shipping, that's $30. That adds up quickly. This is why I don't use eBay anymore, but I may come back once that new feedback rule I've been hearing about is in action. The one where sellers can't leave a negative or something. I hate it when sellers leave a retaliatory negative feedback.

Likewise that's $3 lost to each of those sellers for time, packaging, etc. You can harp on people that go overboard, but don't go saying that anything more than actual shipping cost is a rip off.

If you're one of those people that would give a negative based on someone's shipping cost, then you're just as bad as those that really do overcharge. It's one thing to look at an item and complain because the shipping is too high. It's completely another to buy the item and then leave a negative feedback because of it.

Buyers that exercise the mentality that you are showing here are the reason that most of us in the auction forum are complaining about the ebay changes. In my eyes, someone who bids on an item they see as having overpriced shipping and then leaves a negative regardless of the service provided deserves to have a negative in return. They should never have bid on the item to begin with.

[davo1224]

It costs me $3 to ship a game, packaging INCLUDED. Bubble mailers are only $.75 with tax at a number of places. First class on a DVD sized package should never run you more than $2.00-ish. If you wanna add in extra for paypal fees, that's fine.

Anything else is bull. You're not some big company that has to pay employees to go find an item in the warehouse. You're trying to take advantage of the system and you might as well have balls to say that.

[thelonepig]

It costs me $3 to ship a game, packaging INCLUDED. Bubble mailers are only $.75 with tax at a number of places. First class on a DVD sized package should never run you more than $2.00-ish. If you wanna add in extra for paypal fees, that's fine.

Anything else is bull. You're not some big company that has to pay employees to go find an item in the warehouse. You're trying to take advantage of the system and you might as well have balls to say that.

I fail to see how $4.50 for shipping a game is "trying to take advantage of the system." You do realize that it costs money to take things to the post office? Time to package/list the item? I may not be paying an employee but I'm sure not going to donate my time and resources. There is a reason why ebay allows for a modest handling fee.

I am not taking advantage of the system and I have the balls to say that. You don't like my shipping fee? You disagree with it? Fine. Don't bid on my items. In fact, feel free to contact ebay about the excessive shipping charge :roll:.

I should probably also note that I am not one of those who will figure out how much I want to buy an item for and then bid accordingly. I do take into consideration the s&h fees. If the shipping fee is too high, then I won't bid. After all, it would be both dishonest and irresponsible to bid on the item, win it, and then complain about the shipping cost afterward.

[bigdaddybruce44]

Wow, I cannot believe the sheer amount of bitching, moaning, and crying about shipping costs that is taking place here...especially considering that this thread started off with an auction for some bootleg game.

As others have said, if you don't like the shipping AND handling charges that some sellers charge, don't bid on the item. Or bid on the item up to the "shipped" price that you'd be willing to pay. It's really that simple. It's what I do...it's what any smart buyer would do. When I see some jackass that charges $10 for media mail, I generally pass. If it is an item I really want, I put in the price I want to pay for the item shipped. If I get outbid, oh well. It's the other buyer's problem, now.

How do you compare an eBay seller (especially a non-power seller) to a massive corporation? Do you realize how silly you sound? Yeah, big companies can afford to offer free shipping or discounts. A guy trying to get some money for his junk can't. Deal with it. If you can't deal with it, don't buy stuff on eBay. That's also very simple.

Lastly, how exactly is charging a little more for shipping and handling "taking advantage of a system?" I'd love to know this. As long as a seller's S&H price is clearly displayed on the auction page, what system are they taking advantage of? No one makes anyone bid on an item.

[Kitsune Sniper]

It costs me $3 to ship a game, packaging INCLUDED. Bubble mailers are only $.75 with tax at a number of places. First class on a DVD sized package should never run you more than $2.00-ish. If you wanna add in extra for paypal fees, that's fine.

Anything else is bull. You're not some big company that has to pay employees to go find an item in the warehouse. You're trying to take advantage of the system and you might as well have balls to say that.Some of us don't use online postage because we don't have an accurate scale. I use it for small Priority Mail packages, but that's it - I don't dare risk sending something out first class if there's a chance it'll get sent back to me due to insufficient postage.

Also, do you even use delivery confirmation? That's 75 cents on top of the postage. Those forms add up over time.

[davo1224]

I don't use Delivery Confirmation because it's a waste of money. All it says is that someone recieved it. That hasn't been enough for PayPal most of the time and is explicitly stated as not being enough for Amazon.

$4.50 isn't ridiculous and I never stated as such. That's a $1 handling charge at most and that's not really a big deal. The issue is when this bullshit handling charge ends up costing more than the item. I remember a poster here selling disc only games and each had a shipping cost of $10. If you have to inflate the shipping cost to make up for the fact that the item has no value, that's lame. You end up paying $10 for $.01 game anyway but it pretty much negates bidding at some point. The whole reason eBay lets people set shipping prices is so that an auction doesn't end at $20 and you're out $10 in shipping, not so that it can be abused by exploiters. I bid accordingly and that's why I rarely bid.

[bigdaddybruce44]

I don't use Delivery Confirmation because it's a waste of money. All it says is that someone recieved it. That hasn't been enough for PayPal most of the time and is explicitly stated as not being enough for Amazon.

I'd rather pay the extra $.75 and add that extra layer (albeit a thin one) of protection. Also, though it may not deter "skilled" scammers from trying to pull a fast one, the larger a papertrail you leave, the less likely someone with limited knowledge will try to screw you. To a lot of people, delivery confirmation means YOU got your package. End of story. They don't know beyond that, and that makes DC worth the extra money, to me.

If you have to inflate the shipping cost to make up for the fact that the item has no value, that's lame.

If the item has no value, then no one will bid. If no one bids, it doesn't matter what someone puts the S&H cost at. I could put a sheet of paper up for auction and set the S&H at $100. Have I somehow magically made a $100? Nope.

You end up paying $10 for $.01 game anyway but it pretty much negates bidding at some point.

Precisely! So cares, then? Let people put up whatever S&H they want. Smart bidders and buyers will ignore them. If idiots want to buy stuff and pay insane shipping costs, what does that matter to you? Do you know who many idiotic things consumers do everyday?

The whole reason eBay lets people set shipping prices is so that an auction doesn't end at $20 and you're out $10 in shipping, not so that it can be abused by exploiters.

Again, what exploitation is taking place? I fail to see it. The only way someone is exploiting the system is if they don't list their shipping and handling. Then, after you win, they tell it will be $20. That's exploitation. When a S&H fee is clearly listed, the ball is in the buyer's court.

[Samus]

I can't believe that people on CAG actually try to justify overpricing shipping. It's ridiculous.

If I buy 10 items on eBay and each one is overpriced by $3 shipping, that's $30. That adds up quickly. This is why I don't use eBay anymore, but I may come back once that new feedback rule I've been hearing about is in action. The one where sellers can't leave a negative or something. I hate it when sellers leave a retaliatory negative feedback.

LMAFO

Almost EVERY online store charges at least $3 shipping, unless it's over $25 or whatever the amount is if it's a big company. If you can't handle a THREE DOLLAR shipping fee, please do not ever shop online. Ever.

[Kitsune Sniper]

I don't use Delivery Confirmation because it's a waste of money. All it says is that someone recieved it. That hasn't been enough for PayPal most of the time and is explicitly stated as not being enough for Amazon.

Reaaaaaaaaaaally now.

Guess that extra .75 wasn't enough for me to win all those disputes. Or figure out why a package I'd sent was all the way in Tennessee instead of New York.

D/C is enough for Paypal in most cases. Have a little faith.

[naes]

LMAFO

Almost EVERY online store charges at least $3 shipping, unless it's over $25 or whatever the amount is if it's a big company. If you can't handle a THREE DOLLAR shipping fee, please do not ever shop online. Ever.
LMAFO

Umm, I said if the item is overpriced by $3 shipping, not if it is $3 shipping.


I wouldn't mind paying actual shipping costs (including packaging) but making a buyer pay for "handling" fees is dumb. Why should I have to pay for the time it takes you to get an item ready?

[Kitsune Sniper]

I wouldn't mind paying actual shipping costs (including packaging) but making a buyer pay for "handling" fees is dumb. Why should I have to pay for the time it takes you to get an item ready?Now you're just being stubborn. These handling fees are often added to pay for the shipping materials AND gas (or bus fare, in my case). Some people do abuse the handling costs, but there's still many who have a legitimate reason to have handling costs. That's what a bunch of us are trying to tell you.

[bigdaddybruce44]

Now you're just being stubborn. These handling fees are often added to pay for the shipping materials AND gas (or bus fare, in my case). Some people do abuse the handling costs, but there's still many who have a legitimate reason to have handling costs. That's what a bunch of us are trying to tell you.

Seriously.

[Monsta Mack]

Last I checked gas wasn't free.

[Sinnbox]

LMAFO

Umm, I said if the item is overpriced by $3 shipping, not if it is $3 shipping.


I wouldn't mind paying actual shipping costs (including packaging) but making a buyer pay for "handling" fees is dumb. Why should I have to pay for the time it takes you to get an item ready?

Do you eat raw meat at a restraunt or do you pay them to get it ready?

Ok, not quite the right idea, but do you get what i'm saying?

[darkcecil32]

I just charged 4.50 each for shipping 2 games I sold on ebay. With insurance and delivery confirmation on each item, cost of bubblers, I wound up "losing" over 3$ before even figuring in gas costs. I also lost another 2$ off the final price because I took a Paypal credit card payment, but that was my mistake; ebay changed my default seller listing to accept Paypal and I wasn't going to reneg on something that was my fault. Had to have the freaking flu this week *rolls eyes* Point is, charging handling beyond shipping is fair to a certain extent, but there can be overkill. (I've been pissed when I've gotten charged 10$ for something shoddily packed that the cost of postage showed to be around 1.50$)

However, I also know some people are too lazy to figure out a set price in their heads and will not bid for something based on what they perceive as a high shipping price. For whatever reason, something that is 22.50 + 7.50 sandh is viewed is terrible, whereas the same item could be at 28.00 + 2.00 and viewed as "amazing." Peoples' laziness never ceases to amaze me sometimes.

[bigdaddybruce44]

However, I also know some people are too lazy to figure out a set price in their heads and will not bid for something based on what they perceive as a high shipping price. For whatever reason, something that is 22.50 + 7.50 sandh is viewed is terrible, whereas the same item could be at 28.00 + 2.00 and viewed as "amazing." Peoples' laziness never ceases to amaze me sometimes.Precisely one of the points I made earlier. Whenever I see high shipping on something I want, I will bid up to the price I am willing to pay for the thing shipped.

[davo1224]

However, I also know some people are too lazy to figure out a set price in their heads and will not bid for something based on what they perceive as a high shipping price. For whatever reason, something that is 22.50 + 7.50 sandh is viewed is terrible, whereas the same item could be at 28.00 + 2.00 and viewed as "amazing." Peoples' laziness never ceases to amaze me sometimes.

In the case of BIN, that makes sense. You're still paying the same amount each way. Even still, it can be a little shady. Why not just price the game with a fair shipping cost? Whenever I see people with low prices but high shipping costs to override that, they're either trying to cheat eBay out of fees or trying to move up in the sorting of price.

As far as bidding goes, I'd much rather have the one with $2 shipping. That means I can bid up to $63 on a game I plan to spend $65 on. With the $7.50 shipping and "handling", I'm only able to go up to $57.50. Other bidders will probably reach $60 and you're effectively assed out by idiot buyers. So in the end we have questionable sellers exploiting dumb buyers and every other reasonable person is left out.

[strikeratt]

EBay doesn't care, I was looking for a rare GBC import game about 2 years ago. I found a listing for it but it was a bootleg, I reported it to EBay and they didn't pull it (I only reported it because they were purposely trying to pass off a bootleg as a legit game). Not to mention all the sellers in Asia selling bootleg GBA games that EBay doesn't care about.

No, they only decide to pull legitimate auctions like a PS2 game I had up for auction with a $0.01 BIN with $5.00 shipping (I paid $2.50 for it and hated it so it was worth it to sell it for next to nothing). Sure powersellers can charge $10 to ship a game, but $5.00 is not allowed according to EBay :roll:

Speaking of which ... look at tetris DS ... I hate that Hong Kong guy

[thelonepig]

In the case of BIN, that makes sense. You're still paying the same amount each way. Even still, it can be a little shady. Why not just price the game with a fair shipping cost? Whenever I see people with low prices but high shipping costs to override that, they're either trying to cheat eBay out of fees or trying to move up in the sorting of price.

As far as bidding goes, I'd much rather have the one with $2 shipping. That means I can bid up to $63 on a game I plan to spend $65 on. With the $7.50 shipping and "handling", I'm only able to go up to $57.50. Other bidders will probably reach $60 and you're effectively assed out by idiot buyers. So in the end we have questionable sellers exploiting dumb buyers and every other reasonable person is left out.

It sounds like you should be directing your anger at the so-called dumb buyers as opposed to the sellers. If everyone bid responsibly then you wouldn't have this issue.

[Kapwanil]

You would think people who buy games from sellers in Japan would realize shipping is so expensive and not leave a low rating for shipping costs. When I used to buy games from sellers in Japan, I had no problem paying $12 shipping for EMS since I didn't want to take a risk with air mail and it was still way cheaper than buying from import shops online (and shipping was $7+ from most of them as well).

Bingo! Having bought a slew of Saturn imports off of eBay back in the day I was pretty much in the same boat. Yes, shipping is expensive, but that's the price you pay when you're still saving anywhere from $5 to $45 just to have a game where having Japanese text isn't a detriment to gameplay.

Well, that and the shipping prices become sickeningly reasonable if you can grab a few friends and get them to throw in titles into a giant eBay order. 16 titles for around $30 shipping is far better than 5 titles for $14!

It also doesn't hurt that the sellers from Japan, US expats or native Japanese, always had quality used items. $10 for Guardian Heroes instead of $40? Yes, please, and twice on Sundays! ;)

[naes]

Now you're just being stubborn. These handling fees are often added to pay for the shipping materials AND gas (or bus fare, in my case). Some people do abuse the handling costs, but there's still many who have a legitimate reason to have handling costs. That's what a bunch of us are trying to tell you.
Tell me why the buyer should pay for your gas money. Almost everyone has a car nowadays. Why should I pay for your gas? I am paying for the shipping of an item. I could care less about your gas money.

Maybe I should sell something on eBay and charge $7 to ship a DVD because it only costs $2.50 to mail it, $.50 to get a bubble mailer, $3 for my gas and $1 for the time the item is in my hands.

It's bullshit.

By the way, last I checked, buying gas for your car isn't my responsibility.

[pimpinc333]

Tell me why the buyer should pay for your gas money. Almost everyone has a car nowadays. Why should I pay for your gas? I am paying for the shipping of an item. I could care less about your gas money.

Maybe I should sell something on eBay and charge $7 to ship a DVD because it only costs $2.50 to mail it, $.50 to get a bubble mailer, $3 for my gas and $1 for the time the item is in my hands.

It's bullshit.

By the way, last I checked, buying gas for your car isn't my responsibility.

I don't know why you're tossing a little fit about Shipping and Handling charges on Ebay. If some people have a $6.00 - $7.00 shipping it shouldn't affect you one bit. You obviously will not buy from that person because you think the S & H charges are too much. So why all the fuss?

I think a $5.00 - $6.00 S & H charge is about right for a game.

The worst thing to do is undercharge a buyer S & H fee's. Then it just rips money right out of your pocket. I've done that a handful of times and it sucks :(

[thelonepig]

Tell me why the buyer should pay for your gas money. Almost everyone has a car nowadays. Why should I pay for your gas? I am paying for the shipping of an item. I could care less about your gas money.

Maybe I should sell something on eBay and charge $7 to ship a DVD because it only costs $2.50 to mail it, $.50 to get a bubble mailer, $3 for my gas and $1 for the time the item is in my hands.

It's bullshit.

By the way, last I checked, buying gas for your car isn't my responsibility.

It becomes your responsibility should you decide to purchase an item from a seller. Granted, the seller does have some options, including having the post office pick up the package. What it comes down to, however, is that in purchasing the item you have agreed to pay the seller for the item AND its delivery method.

If that includes gas, then yes; paying for gas for the seller's car to go the post office to mail your purchase is your responsibility.

If you don't like that, then don't bid for that item. Maybe you should start selling on ebay and then you can realize the sheer incompetence of your statements. Your comments are meaningless until you have some first hand experience selling on ebay (and I don't mean just one or two items). Go do that and if your opinion hasn't changed feel free to come back.

[bigdaddybruce44]

If you don't like that, then don't bid for that item. Maybe you should start selling on ebay and then you can realize the sheer incompetence of your statements. Your comments are meaningless until you have some first hand experience selling on ebay (and I don't mean just one or two items). Go do that and if your opinion hasn't changed feel free to come back.

I think this sums up the issue. It's easy to complain about the S&H charges, when someone hasn't done any selling.

[naes]

I've given up arguing. It's not worth it. I still believe, no matter what you say, that over charging shipping is complete bogus and I believe eBay should start to do something about it.

[pimpinc333]

I've given up arguing. It's not worth it. I still believe, no matter what you say, that over charging shipping is complete bogus and I believe eBay should start to do something about it.

You can't stop it. That would mean Ebay making everyone use a shipping calculator so the buyer can know exactly what they will pay before they buy the item. Thus every seller would have to have/use a shipping/weight scale ( Keep in mind these cost $50.00 + unless ebay buys one for every seller :roll: ) and get the exact weight of the Item and materials they use to package the item. Too much work if you ask me. In the long run just about every ebay auction for a certain item will end about the same regardless of shipping cost.

Lets hear you idea on what they should do about it.

[Kitsune Sniper]

Tell me why the buyer should pay for your gas money. Almost everyone has a car nowadays. Why should I pay for your gas? I am paying for the shipping of an item. I could care less about your gas money.

Maybe I should sell something on eBay and charge $7 to ship a DVD because it only costs $2.50 to mail it, $.50 to get a bubble mailer, $3 for my gas and $1 for the time the item is in my hands.

It's bullshit.

By the way, last I checked, buying gas for your car isn't my responsibility.PROTIP: You already pay for it!

When you purchase something and it's shipped via UPS Ground, guess what? There's a FUEL SURCHARGE. This is even mentioned in their agreement.

As other people, including myself, have mentioned... you've never sold a thing, so you don't understand how this works. I've sold items for more than three years now. I've made a living out of it. Try to sell something and cover all those extra fees, and you'll see why we do this.

Edit:
And about eBay "doing something about it..."
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-shipping.html

See? Even they think we're in the right.

[thelonepig]

I've given up arguing. It's not worth it. I still believe, no matter what you say, that over charging shipping is complete bogus and I believe eBay should start to do something about it.

The argument has never been about overcharging shipping. The argument has been exact shipping cost versus shipping plus a modest handling fee.

Believe what you want, just don't try to preach it as the gospel truth when you haven't even had experience from a seller's perspective.

[bigdaddybruce44]

I still believe, no matter what you say, that over charging shipping is complete bogus and I believe eBay should start to do something about it.Again, what exactly is "overcharging" when it comes to shipping? Do you think that you should just pay for the shipping? If so, you're nuts. Packing and extras (such as delivery confirmation)...you know...cost money.

[Sinnbox]

I've given up arguing. It's not worth it. I still believe, no matter what you say, that over charging shipping is complete bogus and I believe eBay should start to do something about it.

Ebay is doing somethign about it...They are hiding people taht charge higher shipping in the middle of the list of acutions.

I wish there was a site liek Ebay that had good morals that i could trade on.

[Rouzhokuu]

Tell me why the buyer should pay for your gas money. Almost everyone has a car nowadays. Why should I pay for your gas? I am paying for the shipping of an item. I could care less about your gas money.

Maybe I should sell something on eBay and charge $7 to ship a DVD because it only costs $2.50 to mail it, $.50 to get a bubble mailer, $3 for my gas and $1 for the time the item is in my hands.

It's bullshit.

By the way, last I checked, buying gas for your car isn't my responsibility.

*Starts a slow clap*

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Though all the justification for price gouging on shipping in this topic is hilarious.

If you stop and grab a value meal at McDonald's on the way to the post office, do I have to pay for that, too? ;)

[bigdaddybruce44]

If you stop and grab a value meal at McDonald's on the way to the post office, do I have to pay for that, too? ;)

When you finished typing that, how many laughs did you think it would actually get? Let us know...

[thelonepig]

If you stop and grab a value meal at McDonald's on the way to the post office, do I have to pay for that, too? ;)

I love how people take comments throughout the thread as "defending price gouging" and then continue to play off of them as if we haven't already explained exactly what we mean when we discuss a handling fee.

The fact that most (if not all) of the ebay sellers that have posted in this thread are reputable and honest should deter comments such as this.

EDIT: And by love I mean find absurdly annoying.

[davo1224]

It sounds like you should be directing your anger at the so-called dumb buyers as opposed to the sellers. If everyone bid responsibly then you wouldn't have this issue.

Considering you quoted me verbatim, I'm not sure how you missed this:

Other bidders will probably reach $60 and you're effectively assed out by idiot buyers.

[thelonepig]

Considering you quoted me verbatim, I'm not sure how you missed this:

Nope, saw it. I was actually referring to most of your previous comments about anything more than actual shipping cost being bull, etc.

If I misunderstood those comments, then my apologies.