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Dead of Knight
03-10-2008, 03:47 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/nyregion/10cnd-spitzer.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
ALBANY - Gov. Eliot Spitzer has informed his most senior administration officials that he had been involved in a prostitution ring, an administration official said this morning.
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Governor Eliot Spitzer at a news conference in July 2007.
Mr. Spitzer, who was huddled with his top aides inside his Fifth Avenue apartment early this afternoon, had hours earlier abruptly canceled his scheduled public events for the day. He scheduled an announcement for 2:15 after inquiries from the Times.
Mr. Spitzer, a first-term Democrat who pledged to bring ethics reform and end the often seamy ways of Albany, is married with three children.
Just last week, federal prosecutors arrested four people in connection with an expensive prostitution operation. Administration officials would not say that this was the ring with which the governor had become involved.
But a person with knowledge of the governor’s role said that the person believes the governor is one of the men identified as clients in court papers.
The governor’s travel records show that he was in Washington in mid-February. One of the clients described in court papers arranged to meet with a prostitute who was part of the ring, the Emperors Club VIP on the night of Feb. 13.
Mr. Spitzer appeared on a CNBC television show at 7 a.m. the next morning. Later in the morning, he testified before a Congressional committee.
An affidavit filed in federal court in Manhattan in connection with that case lists six conversations between the man, identified as Client 9, and a booking agent for the Emperors Club.
He had a difficult first year in office, rocked by a mix of scandal and legislative setbacks. In recent weeks, however, Mr. Spitzer seemed to have rebounded, with his Democratic party poised to perhaps gain control of the state Senate for the first time in four decades.
Mr. Spitzer gained national attention when he served as attorney general with his relentless pursuit of Wall Street wrongdoing. As attorney general, he also had prosecuted at least two prostitution rings as head of the state’s organized crime task force.
In one such case in 2004, Mr. Spitzer spoke with revulsion and anger after announcing the arrest of 16 people for operating a high-end prostitution ring out of Staten Island.
“”This was a sophisticated and lucrative operation with a multitiered management structure,” Mr. Spitzer said at the time. ”It was, however, nothing more than a prostitution ring.”
Albany for months has been roiled by bitter fighting and accusations of dirty tricks. The Albany County district attorney is set to issue in the coming days the results of his investigation into Mr. Spitzer’s first scandal, his aides’ involvement in an effort to tarnish Majority Leader Joseph L. Bruno, the state’s top Republican.
From Gawker:
http://gawker.com/5003637/spitzer-linked-to-high+class-call-girls
Emperor's Club, which rented out prostitutes at rates of up to $5,500 per hour, was broken up last week by federal investigators; but administration officials would not disclose whether it was that particular agency that had identified Spitzer as a client. The ethos of Emperor's Club must have resonated with the notoriously perfectionist and hard-charging governor. The outfit's slogan: "for those accustomed to excellence."
I wouldn't want a dumbass who pays $5500 an hour for prostitutes running my state. That's just plain stupid.
danh920
03-10-2008, 03:58 PM
wow
t0llenz
03-10-2008, 04:24 PM
I don't want him running my state either -- that's why I didn't vote for him. The man who made his entire career out of weeding out corruption and explicitly going after prostitution rings -- getting caught with his pants down. The irony is not lost on me...
GuilewasNK
03-10-2008, 04:33 PM
I don't think prostitution is something that should be criminalized. If consenting adults exchange money for services that is up to them. That being said, it makes you looks like a hypocritcal dumbass to fight prostitution, yet be involved in it.
My biggest issue is that as a married man, his ass shouldn't be looking for sex from someone other than his wife whether he pays for it or not. It's an incredibly selfish and dangerous thing to put your spouse's health at risk by having sex on the side without his/her knowledge. People like that disgust me more than just about anyone else in society. When you are married, either stay true to that or have the deceny to tell your spouse you want out of the marriage.
Tybee
03-10-2008, 04:35 PM
I don't think prostitution is something that should be criminalized. If consenting adults exchange money for services that is up to them. That being said, it makes you looks like a hypocritcal dumbass to fight prostitution, yet be involved in it.
My biggest issue is that as a married man, his ass shouldn't be looking for sex from someone other than his wife whether he pays for it or not. It's an incredibly selfish and dangerous thing to put your spouse's health at risk by having sex on the side without his/her knowledge. People like that disgust me more than just about anyone else in society. When you are married, either stay true to that or have the deceny to tell your spouse you want out of the marriage.
QFT on both counts.
But damn...I'd sell my body for $5,500 an hour.
JolietJake
03-10-2008, 04:39 PM
I guess he liked the high class hookers. He's gonna wish he'd saved the $5,500 if his wife divorces him.
Dead of Knight
03-10-2008, 04:40 PM
I don't think prostitution is something that should be criminalized. If consenting adults exchange money for services that is up to them. That being said, it makes you looks like a hypocritcal dumbass to fight prostitution, yet be involved in it.
My biggest issue is that as a married man, his ass shouldn't be looking for sex from someone other than his wife whether he pays for it or not. It's an incredibly selfish and dangerous thing to put your spouse's health at risk by having sex on the side without his/her knowledge. People like that disgust me more than just about anyone else in society. When you are married, either stay true to that or have the deceny to tell your spouse you want out of the marriage.
I agree with your post 100%. The problem with this is he's a hypocrite and a fucktard.
Tybee
03-10-2008, 04:42 PM
Resignation is a foregone conclusion. A career (and life) implosion of this magnitude warrants a suicide watch.
Dead of Knight
03-10-2008, 04:46 PM
Resignation is a foregone conclusion. A career (and life) implosion of this magnitude warrants a suicide watch.
He didn't resign, yet:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080310/ap_on_re_us/spitzer_prostitution_17
He just "apologized." Fark you, Eliot. Man up and resign, you douche.
I feel so bad for his wife standing next to him. Though she could well be smiling inside at the millions she'll get from a divorce settlement.
t0llenz
03-10-2008, 04:47 PM
I don't think prostitution is something that should be criminalized. If consenting adults exchange money for services that is up to them. That being said, it makes you looks like a hypocritcal dumbass to fight prostitution, yet be involved in it.
My biggest issue is that as a married man, his ass shouldn't be looking for sex from someone other than his wife whether he pays for it or not. It's an incredibly selfish and dangerous thing to put your spouse's health at risk by having sex on the side without his/her knowledge. People like that disgust me more than just about anyone else in society. When you are married, either stay true to that or have the deceny to tell your spouse you want out of the marriage.
I hate saying it...but I agree with you too. I think prostitution's disgusting, but if people are willing to do it, legalize it, regulate it, and tax it like any other service. Spitzer's a scumbag for being a hypocrite in violating laws in which he tried to attack as AG and for cheating on his wife like that.
GuilewasNK
03-10-2008, 05:04 PM
I hate saying it...but I agree with you too. I think prostitution's disgusting, but if people are willing to do it, legalize it, regulate it, and tax it like any other service. Spitzer's a scumbag for being a hypocrite in violating laws in which he tried to attack as AG and for cheating on his wife like that.
I agree as well. Putting people in jail for a natural act just because money is involved is crazy when there are more important crimes to worry about. I don't want cops out there looking for Johns and streetwalkers, I want them out there cleaning up streetgangs. I think the only reason it isn't legalized is because the government is afraid that doing so will make it easy for people to have huge tax-free incomes. If the govrnment thinks they are going to have a hard time getting their cut on something that has the potential to be more lucrative than anything else in the US, then they'll never legalize it. The goverment tries to argue the public health route, but that is BS because health issues are still prevalent with those out there getting ass for free.
DoK, I feel bad for his wife too. She must feel like Kobe Bryant's wife or Hilary Clinton. She should kick him to the curb IMO.
Dead of Knight
03-10-2008, 05:09 PM
New, specific info from Smoking Gun:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0310082spitzer1.html
bigdaddy
03-10-2008, 05:41 PM
What's the difference between a prostitute and single adults? A man pays for dinner in hopes that he could fuck the woman. That's like paying for sex.
Tybee
03-10-2008, 07:03 PM
Best quote I've heard on the whole Spitzer (who is known as "Client No. 9" in police transcripts) affair:
"How great would it be if Client No. 10 was Bill Clinton?" -- Emily Yoffe on Slate
I would that it were so, but if past predilections are any indicator, I can't imagine Bill fronting more than $19.95 for his poontang.
sweeetja713
03-10-2008, 07:16 PM
What's the difference between a prostitute and single adults? A man pays for dinner in hopes that he could fuck the woman. That's like paying for sex.
Hopefully a guy goes on a date for more reasons that just hoping to have sex. Maybe to make a connection or because he genuinely likes the woman for various reasons. Not saying that sex doesn't enter into it, just that it typically isn't the only reason.
lanzarlaluna
03-10-2008, 08:01 PM
Hey, at least he went for the high class hookers.
HuppSav
03-10-2008, 08:07 PM
Your kidding yourselves if you think your senator Hillary Clinton is any better my friends.
I don't think prostitution is something that should be criminalized. If consenting adults exchange money for services that is up to them. That being said, it makes you looks like a hypocritcal dumbass to fight prostitution, yet be involved in it.
Agreed, 100%.
My biggest issue is that as a married man, his ass shouldn't be looking for sex from someone other than his wife whether he pays for it or not. It's an incredibly selfish and dangerous thing to put your spouse's health at risk by having sex on the side without his/her knowledge. People like that disgust me more than just about anyone else in society. When you are married, either stay true to that or have the deceny to tell your spouse you want out of the marriage.
Agreed, but less so. The first thing people should realize is that being single is akin to declaring yourself atheist as a politician: your ass is next to unelectable for all but the smallest offices. So I have no doubt that a large number of political "scandals" involving affairs happened in the context of a "don't ask, don't tell" marriage of convenience that served the interests of both parties. Yes, honesty would be great ... but until people start electing their leaders on their qualifications and merits rather than things like "he seems like I could have a beer with him" or "well, he's married, and I want a good family man running things," that's not feasible. And let's face it: people have worked out "understandings" in marriages since the dawn of time. Affairs are entirely between the two (well, three) people involved, in my opinion.
JolietJake
03-10-2008, 08:59 PM
Your kidding yourselves if you think your senator Hillary Clinton is any better my friends.Hillary has paid $5,500 for sex with a hooker?
Hot damn, where's the video.:roll:
HuppSav
03-10-2008, 09:06 PM
Hillary has paid $5,500 for sex with a hooker?
Hot damn, where's the video.:roll:
No, but she has done worse.
camoor
03-10-2008, 09:30 PM
I wouldn't want a dumbass who pays $5500 an hour for prostitutes running my state. That's just plain stupid.
Better then a guy who pays $5.50 an hour for a pro
ZING!
I agree as well. Putting people in jail for a natural act just because money is involved is crazy when there are more important crimes to worry about. I don't want cops out there looking for Johns and streetwalkers, I want them out there cleaning up streetgangs. I think the only reason it isn't legalized is because the government is afraid that doing so will make it easy for people to have huge tax-free incomes. If the govrnment thinks they are going to have a hard time getting their cut on something that has the potential to be more lucrative than anything else in the US, then they'll never legalize it. The goverment tries to argue the public health route, but that is BS because health issues are still prevalent with those out there getting ass for free.
DoK, I feel bad for his wife too. She must feel like Kobe Bryant's wife or Hilary Clinton. She should kick him to the curb IMO.
I don't give a crap about escort agencies that carry out their business in high class hotels under "controlled" circumstances... they can do what they want as far as I'm concerned... but all prostitution is not a good thing... would you like street whores walking your street? It brings seedy degenerates out of the woodwork and generally brings down the overall value of a neighborhood. No thanks!
GuilewasNK
03-10-2008, 09:47 PM
I don't give a crap about escort agencies that carry out their business in high class hotels under "controlled" circumstances... they can do what they want as far as I'm concerned... but all prostitution is not a good thing... would you like street whores walking your street? It brings seedy degenerates out of the woodwork and generally brings down the overall value of a neighborhood. No thanks!
I didn't say it shouldn't be regulated. I just don't think it should be illegal. Many legal things have regulations including guns, alcohol, and cigarettes. While it is legal for people over 21 to drink, it is illegal to be drunk in public. They can use the same logic in regards to street walkers. A certain distance from schools, churches, and family establishments would be appropriate.
I don't give a crap about escort agencies that carry out their business in high class hotels under "controlled" circumstances... they can do what they want as far as I'm concerned... but all prostitution is not a good thing... would you like street whores walking your street? It brings seedy degenerates out of the woodwork and generally brings down the overall value of a neighborhood. No thanks!
That's primarily because it's illegal. In the places where it's above board (Amsterdam, the non-Vegas parts of Nevada), they don't just stroll up and down the street -- it's basically like the escort agencies you're picturing, except well-regulated, safe, and clean.
VanillaGorilla
03-10-2008, 11:11 PM
Wait, I thought only Republicans do stuff like this?
Wait, I thought only Republicans do stuff like this?
No, no, it wasn't an undercover cop in a men's room or an underage male intern -- don't worry, the republicans still have their niche.
Tybee
03-11-2008, 02:46 PM
I don't give a crap about escort agencies that carry out their business in high class hotels under "controlled" circumstances... they can do what they want as far as I'm concerned... but all prostitution is not a good thing... would you like street whores walking your street? It brings seedy degenerates out of the woodwork and generally brings down the overall value of a neighborhood. No thanks!
I agree! For example, I just told your mom to get off our corner last night. She's really dragging the property values down!
Xevious
03-11-2008, 03:18 PM
I wonder what drives a man like that to make such a stupid mistake like getting a prostitute. I'm curious about the psychology of it all.
t0llenz
03-11-2008, 03:25 PM
I wonder that too. He had everything going for him when he got into office. He won a massive mandate, he was well liked across party lines in New York, he was relatively young, and well positioned to be a solid Presidential candidate by 2012 or a VP choice for 2008 for a candidate who wasn't Senator Clinton. Instead his entire first year or so in office was marred by threatening political opponents (the Steamroller comments), trying to tarnish the name of the State Senate Majority leader by having state police look into him/follow him, his terrible driver's license proposal, his failed attempts to deal with the budget, and the first major act in office...the replacement of the ridiculously corrupt comptroller, he failed to make any headway on getting a qualified new comptroller in office who was non-partisan and not beholden to the state legislature (the state legislature ignored the advice of a collection of 3 former State Comptrollers who gave them a top 3 list of names...and picked a State Assemblyman from Nassau County who's entire experience had been...being in the State Assembly). So far, Spitzer's been a failure as a Governor...and this just puts ends the reign of Spitzer and makes his rapid fall as incredible to see as his rapid rise to "stardom." It's too bad -- he was a Democratic candidate who I felt was a genuine reformer when he got into office...one who I felt more comfortable with than the other choices who could have ran for the office.
prostitution is legal in most of Nevada
Dead of Knight
03-11-2008, 04:36 PM
I wonder what drives a man like that to make such a stupid mistake like getting a prostitute. I'm curious about the psychology of it all.
He thought he was above the law and powerful enough to get away with it.
LOVE DEM HOES: http://wonkette.com/366083/a-pictorial-tour-of-the-emperors-club-ladies
I wonder that too. He had everything going for him when he got into office. He won a massive mandate, he was well liked across party lines in New York, he was relatively young, and well positioned to be a solid Presidential candidate by 2012 or a VP choice for 2008 for a candidate who wasn't Senator Clinton. Instead his entire first year or so in office was marred by threatening political opponents (the Steamroller comments), trying to tarnish the name of the State Senate Majority leader by having state police look into him/follow him, his terrible driver's license proposal, his failed attempts to deal with the budget, and the first major act in office...the replacement of the ridiculously corrupt comptroller, he failed to make any headway on getting a qualified new comptroller in office who was non-partisan and not beholden to the state legislature (the state legislature ignored the advice of a collection of 3 former State Comptrollers who gave them a top 3 list of names...and picked a State Assemblyman from Nassau County who's entire experience had been...being in the State Assembly). So far, Spitzer's been a failure as a Governor...and this just puts ends the reign of Spitzer and makes his rapid fall as incredible to see as his rapid rise to "stardom." It's too bad -- he was a Democratic candidate who I felt was a genuine reformer when he got into office...one who I felt more comfortable with than the other choices who could have ran for the office.
No kidding. It's like his tenure has been one misstep, screw up, and bad move after another. I really don't get it, but I'm borderline impressed with how much he's crapped his whole political career up. I'll bet Bruno screws up next -- he'll feel complacent in his dirty deeds since Spitz' will be gone and BOOM. The story about the half dozen Malay boys he keeps in his basement as sex slaves will come out.
Wow, I wonder if they pro-rate. I might consider throwing down $183 for some high class ass :) j/k
elprincipe
03-12-2008, 02:43 AM
Wait, I thought only Republicans do stuff like this?
Yeah Vanilla, funny how all these 18-year-olds who have only ever known Republicans in power in Congress think, eh? Oh, and Bill Clinton is completely different :roll:
t0llenz
03-12-2008, 09:56 AM
I dislike Bruno more than most any conservative leaning person in New York -- and he's been taking the high road so far. Oddly enough, not jumping all over Spitzer. I think he's may have something on David Paterson (there were rumors about Paterson involving a corruption probe, but I'm not sure about that) that he's waiting to bust out to force his resignation to. If that happens...Governor Bruno here we come...
mykevermin
03-12-2008, 09:13 PM
I don't think prostitution is something that should be criminalized. If consenting adults exchange money for services that is up to them. That being said, it makes you looks like a hypocritcal dumbass to fight prostitution, yet be involved in it.
Pretty much what this all boils down to.
Unickuta
03-12-2008, 10:34 PM
The man who made his entire career out of weeding out corruption and explicitly going after prostitution rings -- getting caught with his pants down.
lulz at teh pun
Frankly I was expecting someone more attractive
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/13/spitzer.kristen/index.html
Not saying she is ugly but for that kind of money I expected a lot more
rumblebear
03-13-2008, 09:07 PM
But he was suppose to represent hope and change! That's how he got elected with overwhelming support.
usickenme
03-14-2008, 11:18 AM
Yeah Vanilla, funny how all these 18-year-olds who have only ever known Republicans in power in Congress think, eh? Oh, and Bill Clinton is completely different :roll:
Don't worry there are plenty of "gotcha" conservatives like yourself to remind them.
looploop
03-14-2008, 02:39 PM
Wait, I thought only Republicans do stuff like this?
Hey, this is a rare opportunity for trans-party unity. Everyone united in pursuit of extramarital sex!:applause:
VanillaGorilla
03-14-2008, 02:48 PM
Frankly I was expecting someone more attractive
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/13/spitzer.kristen/index.html
Not saying she is ugly but for that kind of money I expected a lot morehttp://images.salon.com/tech/machinist/blog/2008/03/12/spitzer_myspace/story.jpg
So, you're saying that's not good enough for you?
camoor
03-14-2008, 03:01 PM
So, you're saying that's not good enough for you?
Oh she looks good in that pic no doubt. And the body is smokin.
But without the sunglasses she has squinty eyes and a big ol honker.
JolietJake
03-14-2008, 03:31 PM
Wait, I thought only Republicans do stuff like this?
No, they just do it with other guys.
pittpizza
03-14-2008, 03:54 PM
Nice one JJ, she is really really really hot.
If I had as much dough as Spitzer, (and if a whole myriad of other hypotheticals were true) I'd pay 5k to nail her. But not one penny more!
Not saying she is ugly but for that kind of money I expected a lot more
Spoken like a true cheapass.
JolietJake
03-14-2008, 04:30 PM
That whole music BS is so typical of myspace. Myspace is so full of bull shit hopes and dreams that it could supply the make a wish foundation forever. Music career, right. I'm sure she can hit the high notes though.
unforeseen
03-14-2008, 08:45 PM
Oh she looks good in that pic no doubt. And the body is smokin.
But without the sunglasses she has squinty eyes and a big ol honker.
Nothing a flip of the light switch couldn't fix.
camoor
03-14-2008, 09:57 PM
That whole music BS is so typical of myspace. Myspace is so full of bull shit hopes and dreams that it could supply the make a wish foundation forever. Music career, right. I'm sure she can hit the high notes though.
She sold her track for a buck apiece the other day. There's speculation that she made a bundle of cash. Sure it's a quick payday but cash is cash.
fatherofcaitlyn
03-14-2008, 10:06 PM
She sold her track for a buck apiece the other day. There's speculation that she made a bundle of cash. Sure it's a quick payday but cash is cash.
Wouldn't it had been smarter to buy her music for $5K and simply had a one night fling with her?
JolietJake
03-14-2008, 10:44 PM
Its amazing at how much people are able to milk a bad situation. I guess it's true what they say, theres no such thing as bad publicity.
MillerTime2523
03-14-2008, 11:23 PM
Good old New York state for ya :)
http://images.salon.com/tech/machinist/blog/2008/03/12/spitzer_myspace/story.jpg
So, you're saying that's not good enough for you?
Ohh that's not what i am saying.. i definetely wouldn't mind throwing it in for a few.. but for $5500 an hour I would expect drop dead gorgeous with a masters degree in the kama sutra and the gag reflexes of a garbage man
Xevious
03-15-2008, 01:20 AM
http://images.salon.com/tech/machinist/blog/2008/03/12/spitzer_myspace/story.jpg
Imagine Spitzer must of planted his ugly mug between those two gorgeous melons.
Imagine Spitzer must of planted his ugly mug between those two gorgeous melons.
Ewwwwwwww.... then imagine that she's just a few years older than his daughters.
I thought he was supposed to be a smart lawyer... good job getting caught Spitz! Well, I guess he still has pretty good morals for a lawyer, relatively speaking.
Xevious
03-15-2008, 11:05 AM
Ewwwwwwww.... then imagine that she's just a few years older than his daughters.
I bet Spitzer did some really Nasty things to her. I mean...$5,000 can take you pretty far into 3rd input territory. Maybe he got really freaky and used whips and chains, lots of lube, etc. There may be broken furniture, empty jars of peanut butter, duct tape..
:lol: (I'm just messing with you...)
Nah, I bet it just got him plain vanilla missionary sex using a condom :D. To get the things you mentioned, you pretty much need a low-end hooker desperate for meth/cocaine money or a girl with very low self esteem ;). With Spitzer, The money was more for a guarantee of privacy... that worked out well...
Well, I guess he still has pretty good morals for a lawyer, relatively speaking.
Actually lawyers are in the most regulated profession. The rules of ethics which are adopted in every state impose strict standards on the conduct of lawyers.
Since you have such low regards for lawyers perhaps when you have a cause of action try representing yourself pro se.
Xevious
03-15-2008, 04:39 PM
Nah, I bet it just got him plain vanilla missionary sex using a condom :D. To get the things you mentioned, you pretty much need a low-end hooker desperate for meth/cocaine money or a girl with very low self esteem ;). With Spitzer, The money was more for a guarantee of privacy... that worked out well...
I don't know. It is $5,000 worth of sex. I imagine that boundaries were pushed to the limit.
I can see your point though.
Tybee
03-15-2008, 07:03 PM
I don't know. It is $5,000 worth of sex. I imagine that boundaries were pushed to the limit.
I can see your point though.
Technically, it was about $2,300 worth of sex. According to the police transcript, the rest was a deposit for next time.
And the only boundary he attempted to push was requesting no condom (she told him no and he complied).
I think the most ironic thing about the whole situation is that the bank transaction monitoring technology that caught Spitzer was adopted only after the NY District Attorney pushed for its implementation by banks a couple of years ago.
That D.A.? Eliot Spitzer.
camoor
03-15-2008, 07:24 PM
Actually lawyers are in the most regulated profession. The rules of ethics which are adopted in every state impose strict standards on the conduct of lawyers.
Since you have such low regards for lawyers perhaps when you have a cause of action try representing yourself pro se.
Modern American lawyers have done fantastic things for all Americans, they always act like pure, selfless human beings who are shining beacons of morality and exemplars of how we all should live our lives.
Who else would protect kids from the evil influence of pixelated boobs in GTA:SA or win millions for people who don't know that coffee is hot when it's spilled all over their body?
guinaevere
03-15-2008, 08:04 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oQBgg6jWmnQ
Less funny, more serious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGF22KLBBSA&NR=1
Modern American lawyers have done fantastic things for all Americans, they always act like pure, selfless human beings who are shining beacons of morality and exemplars of how we all should live our lives.
Who else would protect kids from the evil influence of pixelated boobs in GTA:SA or win millions for people who don't know that coffee is hot when it's spilled all over their body?
Hey thanks for helping me prove my point... Jack Thompson is currently going through disbarment proceedings from the Florida State Bar for his abuse of the legal system.
Secondly, the coffee which burned that individual was over 180 degrees which can cause third degree burns in two seconds. McDonalds was aware of the risk of serving coffee that hot because of numerous other lawsuits which failed.
Lawyers do great things every day, including pro bono work. However covering that wouldn't be news worthy, now would it?
Dude, being in the medical profession, I can't help but make cracks at lawyers from time to time :D. As in many professions, there are good guys and bad guys... but many cases are ridiculous:
Like here in California, we just had John Ritter's family suing a radiologist and cardiologist for an astronomical amount of money... after already receiving a pretty handsome settlement from the hospital... geez, when someone comes in with a large acute aortic dissection, they may still often die even if care is "optimal." MD's are not miracle workers! Luckily there wer 9 reasonable jury members who shot them down.
Then, there's the case of a black firefighter who was served food laced with dog food by a latino firefighter as part of a joke (he called himself "Big Dog" during their volleyball games)... $2.7 million settlement... then his white superiors, who were suspended for not reacting promptly to the incident also sued for reverse discrimination and got about a million.
Then, let's not get started on all the malpractice lawsuits which make my life more difficult by leading to more paperwork, unecessary consults to cover our asses, etc. that takes away from direct patient care and generally make the whole process less efficient...
t0llenz
03-16-2008, 09:52 AM
Less funny, more serious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGF22KLBBSA&NR=1
Thank you for that video. I've felt that way for quite a while about these women and it's been disappointing seeing them just stand by their cheating men.
evanft
03-16-2008, 09:58 AM
My points:
1. In general, paying for sex shouldn't be illegal, so I have no objection there.
2. Cheating on his wife was a pretty scummy thing to do, but that's a personal matter and shouldn't effect him politically.
3. Personal and political morality can be two different things. Genrally speaking, what a politician does in their personal life shouldn't have any bearing on what they do politically. As long as their doing a good job, it doesn't matter. It would be like if companies began firing people because of what they liked to watch their spouses boning other people, for example, even though the person's job deals with automotive design.
evanft,
The situation is a bit different because Spitzer was a public figure who based a good part of his image on morality and on going after criminals, both in the sex industry and in finance.
The fact that he was associating with the same criminal enterprises that he was publically denouncing and fighting makes him look like a huge hypocrite and puts up serious questions about his credibility. Plus, his dealings put him at risk for blackmail in the future.
HE initiallly made morality a part of his job. So, this is akin to Anthony Comstock getting caught with a hooker...
camoor
03-16-2008, 01:09 PM
Hey thanks for helping me prove my point... Jack Thompson is currently going through disbarment proceedings from the Florida State Bar for his abuse of the legal system.
Secondly, the coffee which burned that individual was over 180 degrees which can cause third degree burns in two seconds. McDonalds was aware of the risk of serving coffee that hot because of numerous other lawsuits which failed.
Lawyers do great things every day, including pro bono work. However covering that wouldn't be news worthy, now would it?
It's not only JT who's suing over "Hot Coffee" (and JT is one of the better ones, he's more crazy then greedy, I'd rather be attacked by a mostly harmless lunatic then a team of highly efficient sharks)
Coffee is hot, especially when poured on your genitals.
But you want a slam dunk, how about the 67 million dollar pants. That really improved consumer's lives in DC didn't it. And all at the low, low expense of over two years expense, anguish, and destruction of the American dream for a couple of hard working immigrants. </sarcasm>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson_v._Chung
camoor
03-16-2008, 01:13 PM
Less funny, more serious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGF22KLBBSA&NR=1
Meh. People make mistakes, divorce rates are high enough, and I though y'all Christians were supposed to have the lock on forgiveness.
I guess it's all supposed to go out the window for some amorphous "cause" so the self-important activists can feel better.
Gandhi... Ya lawyers are scum
evanft
03-16-2008, 05:08 PM
evanft,
The situation is a bit different because Spitzer was a public figure who based a good part of his image on morality and on going after criminals, both in the sex industry and in finance.
Yeah, and did he?
The fact that he was associating with the same criminal enterprises that he was publically denouncing and fighting makes him look like a huge hypocrite and puts up serious questions about his credibility. Plus, his dealings put him at risk for blackmail in the future.
Again, his personal moral failings are of little consequence. Did he do his job effectively? If he did, then clearly whatever problems he had in his personal life did not impact his ability to do his job.
Well, his approval ratings before this incident were hovering in the 30-40% range, so according to the NY public he was not doing a good job...
elprincipe
03-18-2008, 04:03 AM
Don't worry there are plenty of "gotcha" conservatives like yourself to remind them.
1. I'm not a conservative.
2. No need for "gotcha" in this and a myriad of other cases involving both parties.
3. Why am I not surprised who wrote this response?
t0llenz
03-18-2008, 04:34 PM
Interesting -- Spitzer's replacement, David Paterson and his wife both admitted that during a rocky period in their marriage, they both had multiple extra-marital affairs (http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=673015&category=&BCCode=HOME&newsdate=3/18/2008). Together they've been to counseling and have worked through it. Here's the textALBANY -- Gov. David Paterson confessed to having affairs during the past decade of his marriage, saying he wanted to be "straight" with the public that "wants to know who their elected officials are."
Shoulder to shoulder with wife Michelle in the Red Room of the Capitol, Paterson told about 50 reporters on his second day of office that his trysts did not involve subordinates, influence bills or policies, or use campaign funds or state funds.
One of the women with whom he had an affair now is working for him, however, as she was among Gov. Eliot Spitzer's staff.
He said he decided to come clean on his own because he wants to govern without fear of blackmail, accusations of conflicts or any ugly insinuations.
"I just thought I'd govern more responsibly," he said.
The press conference came a day after Spitzer resigned after being caught in a federal probe as a patron of hired high-priced prostitutes.
Paterson said his wife's behavior, which also included an affair, resulted in him becoming a jealous, angry husband, but that he remained in love with her. He said he does not blame her for his infidelities.
Both of the Patersons said they benefited from counseling and wanted to show their children, a son, and a daughter who Mrs. Paterson had with her first husband, that commitment means something.
"People have a right to their private lives. We didn't do anything wrong," Paterson said. He said because of his heightened profile, his past was going to catch up with him.
"Elected officials are really just reflections of the people that we represent," he added. Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno and Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver both said a person's private life is their own.
"If anything it's a testament to him saying, stop your searches -- it's not an uncommon occurence in people's lives when marriages are failing," Silver said. "This is how they worked it out."
"I expect that he will continue to handle himself properly," Bruno said. "I think his personal life is his personal life."
Sen. Diane Savino, D-Staten Island, said Paterson showed his character by going public. "Instead of trying to deny it, I think it was kind of courageous," she said.Obviously, he doesn't want any "gotcha" politics played on him later, so instead he's come public with their marital troubles that they had years ago. I'd say it's a smart move politically and a brave one at that. Not sure how it'll pan out in the media/public eye, though.
GuilewasNK
03-18-2008, 04:55 PM
Interesting -- Spitzer's replacement, David Paterson and his wife both admitted that during a rocky period in their marriage, they both had multiple extra-marital affairs (http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=673015&category=&BCCode=HOME&newsdate=3/18/2008). Together they've been to counseling and have worked through it. Here's the textObviously, he doesn't want any "gotcha" politics played on him later, so instead he's come public with their marital troubles that they had years ago. I'd say it's a smart move politically and a brave one at that. Not sure how it'll pan out in the media/public eye, though.
I think most people can accept him coming out. It's when people have the "do as I say, not as I do" attitude in life that people get pissed. That's what Spitzer's situation boils down to more than anything.
I also think politicians put too much emphasis on having a family as a requirement of running for office. That's why you have a lot of dumbass people getting married and running the sanctity of marriage through the commode. Personally, I couldn't trust a politican that cheated on their spouse. If they are willing to do that to a person they "love", imagine what they could do underhanded to the people who voted them in and are all strangers?
t0llenz
03-20-2008, 04:03 PM
And apparently Spitzer is being courted by Playgirl (http://playgirlmag.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/open-playgirl-casting-call-to-eliot-spitzer/) to pose for them (def. tongue in cheek on their part)
Dear Eliot,
It’s not fair. We’ve been watching you; and we’ve seen how you’ve been crucified by the mass media, conservatives, and Republicans. We’ve stood by as your call-girl was offered $1 million by Hustler to show the world what she’s already been showing the world for a whole lot less.
We think you’ve had a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad week. But we’ve been thinking.
Your political career is sadly over; and you owe a lot of money to a lot of people. Hell, you may land in jail before too long. So consider this letter a brief note of urgency.
How about making some loot back, by showing us what you saved for such a select few? How about strutting your sexuality, and defending your right to get down for the magazine and Playgirl.com? Couldn’t you use a little rent money right about now? Seriously—get in touch with us. We’re ready to make you a very attractive offer. Someone get Spitzer on the line: Playgirl needs him naked, now.
JolietJake
03-20-2008, 05:57 PM
Well that is bit different, they both cheated on each other and were able to work through it. The cheating wasn't one sided so they were both essentially on equal footing as far as morality goes. Thats something that plenty of people have gone through, just because he's a politician shouldn't make it any different. Plus neither one of them cheated with a $5000 dollar hooker/manwhore.
fatherofcaitlyn
03-20-2008, 07:10 PM
Did anybody else notice the new governor looks 'tarded?
Edit: I'm sure he is smarter than me. And we all know he is more successful than me, but that wedding photo is hilarious.
JolietJake
03-20-2008, 07:27 PM
Did anybody else notice the new governor looks 'tarded?
Edit: I'm sure he is smarter than me. And we all know he is more successful than me, but that wedding photo is hilarious.He's blind, how the hell is he going to know how he looks?
speedracer
03-20-2008, 07:37 PM
Not saying she is ugly but for that kind of money I expected a lot more
Spoken like a true cheapass.
Perhaps there's a 20% off coupon in the USPS moving booklet. At worst, GCO should knock a few bills off, no?
fatherofcaitlyn
03-20-2008, 07:37 PM
He's blind, how the hell is he going to know how he looks?
Oh, well, crap. That explains everything!
I was wondering why he wasn't looking at the camera at his wedding photo.
I almost feel bad.
That's worse than the time I was speaking to a Gamestop manager with a broque. I thought he was retarded until I realized he was Irish.
t0llenz
04-01-2008, 09:28 AM
Just when a situation can't get any odder, Donald Trump comes into the picture. Here's the article (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,343673,00.html).
Donald Trump Woos Alleged Spitzer Call Girl for New Reality Show
Donald Trump would love to feature Spitzer scandal call girl Ashley Alexandra Dupre in his latest reality show, the New York Daily News reports.
In the show, a modern version of "My Fair Lady," "bad" girls are sent to a charm school, where they undergo a strict course on debutante manners.
A production source told the News that "My Fair Lady" reached out to Dupre on Thursday, but has yet to hear back from her. Trump told the News that he would love to get the chance to class up Dupre in front of a national audience.
"She is an interesting candidate, very interesting," the "Celebrity Apprentice" star said at the TV show's finale party...
pittpizza
04-01-2008, 12:55 PM
Our society is soooooo fucked up.
Tybee
04-01-2008, 01:11 PM
Will someone please indulge Donald Trump with the assassination he's so desperately been asking for all these years? Honestly...Preferably something in the head that will fuck up that precious coif of his.
GuilewasNK
04-01-2008, 01:23 PM
Oh, well, crap. That explains everything!
I was wondering why he wasn't looking at the camera at his wedding photo.
I almost feel bad.
That's worse than the time I was speaking to a Gamestop manager with a broque. I thought he was retarded until I realized he was Irish.
Classy. :roll: