Goozex Economics- The Price Ceiling Test (does this sound fair?)

[djkunai]

Before criticizing, please inform yourself with the concept of a market equilibrium (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_equilibrium) and how it is affected by the implement of price ceilings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_ceiling) and price floors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_floor).


[Goozex price ceiling test]
The price cap for titles will be increased to 1500, but the following must apply:
-The game must have been released for at least 1 year.
-The game must have a point value already at 1000.

The points would be determined using Muse.

If Goozex were to implement this system as a test, I can guarantee you:
-There would be a significant increase in the number of Marvel Vs. Capcom 2, Ikaruga, Guitar Hero II bundles and Shin Megami Tensei games listed on Goozex.
-There would be no significant increase in Guitar Hero III or Rock Band bundles listed on Goozex.


Does that sound fair? Or do you still think that a price ceiling had something to do with inflation (which are not related at all).

Everyone who is saying that the increase of a price cap needs to understand that all new release games (with an MSRP of $60 or less) will still be listed at a point value of 1000 points MAXIMUM, and the point cap is meant for games that have a higher MSRP, or a higher higher used price due to strong demand for a rare title.

















[Creating a black market]

Disclaimer:
Circumventing Goozex policy does not protect you under the Goozex guarantee- anything done this way is not condoned by Goozex and is at your own risk.

This thread will be re-edited soon with a more structured argument for creating a free marked under Goozex rules.


Okay, I've been using Goozex recently and I've come across several issues, though most are know flaws of the system (wrong game, points too high, waiting in line forever to get or send a game depending on which game it is), so I've come up with a possible solution to have CAGs trade games for Goozex points with CAGs.


For example, I want to trade Bioshock through Goozex. Knowing there are 30 people ahead of me in trading the game and even more looking for a copy, I'm looking at over a month of waiting to get my game out there (worst case scenario). But there's a CAG who wants Bioshock, and is last in line for it. I have it, they want it. But, if I list it on Goozex, I'm stuck waiting in line and so are they. The solution? We mutually agree to trade my copy of Bioshock for 1000 of their Goozex points (the current rate). Since Goozex does not let you gift points (oh, that would be freakin sweet), you need to find away around the system so you can trade your game for their points. What do you do? Find another game that lists for 1000 points but doesn't have any requests (or, 2 games for 500 that have no requests).

I see that no one in my region has "X-Com UFO" (worth 1000 points) listed as Disc/manual requested or available. So, I have my fellow trader put a request for the game as "disc/manual". Once I see that there is one request for the game that way (after confirming it is indeed them), I list it in my library as disc/manual.

Once the Goozex system updates, I will then accept the request from my trader and I will ship out Bioshock (since we both agreed to this whole thing). Once he gets Bioshock, he gives me positive feedback.

I now have the 1000 points I wanted, and he has the game he wanted, and there is no long wait time.

Also, trading this way opens up a free market, allowing people to put their own point value on a game. Let's say I'm 78th in line to trade my copy of Bioshock. Screw that, I'll trade it right now for 800 points. So I post that I'll trade it for 800 points under the name of a different game that is listed at 800 points. I use the system above and suddenly I'm the only person offering Bioshock for 800 points. This also works with games above the price ceiling Goozex has (resulting in the shortage of uber-rare games). I have Marvel vs. Capcom 2 on PS2. I could sell it for $120 on eBay, so why trade it for basically a $60 game that I'll be 75th in line for? On this new market, I'll trade it for 2300 points. I know there are plenty of other traders willing to do that, especially since MvC2 rarely comes on the market thanks to the price ceiling (it's economics, people!). This way people are more inclined to trade them on Goozex.

Update:

Goozex upped their price ceiling to 1200. This increase means games traded at the 1200 GP level are equivalent to $60~. As long as new release games stay at the 1000 range and their LE counterparts go up to 1200, this is a very good move my Goozex. Their price fixer (Muse) is still a little behind the times, but Goozex is headings towards greatness.

Re-update:
Due to ignorant Goozex users, a mess of complaints about the price cap caused Goozex to lower the price cap back down.

[mike.m]

Hadn't thought of that. I would imagine if they found out, they'd prolly squash your account, but honestly, you should be able to gift points.

Someone in another thread mentioned that they haven't had any of their requests come up since signing up. That kind of annoys me too. I'm no higher than 70th on any of my requests, and almost all of my requests don't have any 'ready' for trade. Yet when I first signed up I had almost everything on my requests needing to be accepted for trades. Obviously I had no points and I wasn't going to buy any.

Got 1500 points available and no available games to use them on!

[Hybrid5006]

Sounds like an O.K. idea... that is... if you get ripped off, I doubt that Goozex will refund your points.

I've gotten a few games off of Goozex, and the waiting times aren't necessarily that bad.

Of course... if you want to get a game that is uber-rare and is only 200 points... there may be a problem...

[magiic]

the only problem is that when trading multiple games to achieve the desired point value the buyer will have to use multiple $1 trade credits to accomplish this.

[mike.m]

Sounds like an O.K. idea... that is... if you get ripped off, I doubt that Goozex will refund your points.

I've gotten a few games off of Goozex, and the waiting times aren't necessarily that bad.

Of course... if you want to get a game that is uber-rare and is only 200 points... there may be a problem...

Granted, I've only been a member for about 2 months, and most of my requests are newer releases, but I've got a few games on my list that have been out a while. The only game I've received so far was Guitar Hero 2, everything else is a long wait or I'm no higher than 78th in line.

Kinda sucks, but at the same time, I'm getting rid of crap games that I'd never get rid of by selling them.

[joserjerr]

Being 78th in line isn't necessarily a bad thing. As long as you have the necessary points for the game when it's your turn you'll be fine. There will be people in line that get passed over because they don't have enough points to receive the game and chances are when it comes your way the point value may be lower as it moves off of everyone's game radar. It's not like your physically standing in line so just wait and let the games come to you.

Goozex is the only game trading service for me, besides CAG, where I'm able to trade for games I actually want to play.

Besides, I feel much better knowing my games aren't going towards Gamestop or anywhere else at a fraction of what they are worth.

[djkunai]

This system was built around the idea of games that are widely requested and listed (Bioshock was my prime example). Though I forgot to include another big pro- you can sell your games for less than the set Goozex value. For example, I 'm willing to trade Bioshock for 800 points. On a list on CAG, I post that offer. I'm sure a few people would be interested in getting Bioshock for 200 points less than it goes for.

This system would bring about an actual free market which I believe Goozex should implement (as an economist) while still giving a suggested price system (which they do with their selling of points).

Think about it- you can haggle for Goozex points and create competition (of which their currently is none because of their wait-in-line system).

That said, I will trade my copy of Bioshock for 800 points if anyone is interested.

[djkunai]

the only problem is that when trading multiple games to achieve the desired point value the buyer will have to use multiple $1 trade credits to accomplish this.

True, but at the rate of an extra $1 per transaction (saving 200 points in the Bioshock example), I know some people will be inclined (or they would simply wait for a free trade month like right now).

[mephitical]

This would destroy their already pretty fragile economy. Granted, CAG might be a small percentage of the user base, but it changes the supply/demand ratios which is what their entire process depends on. I've been over 100 in line for a game (SMG) and gotten it within two weeks. Please don't do this - sometimes you have good ideas djkunai, but I don't like this one.

Oh yeah, I just checked and it is fraud by their Terms of Use:

5. FRAUDULENT ACTS. User agrees not to commit fraud using the Site or Services. Examples of fraud include, but are not limited to, committing to send a Product but not actually sending it, or sending it after an unreasonable delay, claiming a Product was never received when in fact it was, claiming a Product is lost, broken, incorrect, scratched or otherwise problematic when it is not, claiming to own a Product that User does not own the rights to, creating a different User ID to avoid adverse action by the Company, and other similar actions. In addition, the following related policies apply.

[aznguyen316]

pretty good idea..

[UltimoRey]

I think this kinda violates the spirit of goozex. Also you knwo several Gooozex high-ups visit CAG right? If this is against their rules they may come across this thread.

[$CASH$]

I think this is a terrible idea that is clearly fraudulent but I don't think you have to worry about it anyway. The owner has clearly gotten the message. Take a look at this thread.

http://www.goozex.com/community/forums/t/18936.aspx

It looks like it's only a matter of time before they allow you to set your own price within about 100 points of the Goozex price. I think it's a horrible idea. It's basically an admission by the owner of Goozex that his algorithm is broken and he can't fix it.

This sucks for me as I mainly use Goozex for new release PS3 games. Now in order to get any new release games, it'll cost you 1100 points instead of 1000. This will essentially devalue all of the points in your account by about 10% if you were planning on using them for new releases.

He should just fix his supply/demand algorithm and none of this would be necessary.

[magiic]

I think this is a terrible idea that is clearly fraudulent but I don't think you have to worry about it anyway. The owner has clearly gotten the message. Take a look at this thread.

http://www.goozex.com/community/forums/t/18936.aspx

It looks like it's only a matter of time before they allow you to set your own price within about 100 points of the Goozex price. I think it's a horrible idea. It's basically an admission by the owner of Goozex that his algorithm is broken and he can't fix it.

This sucks for me as I mainly use Goozex for new release PS3 games. Now in order to get any new release games, it'll cost you 1100 points instead of 1000. This will essentially devalue all of the points in your account by about 10% if you were planning on using them for new releases.

He should just fix his supply/demand algorithm and none of this would be necessary.

if you look at thread most people seem against the idea

[JJSP]

Why not just trade the game here instead of using Goozex as the middle man?

[djkunai]

This would destroy their already pretty fragile economy. Granted, CAG might be a small percentage of the user base, but it changes the supply/demand ratios which is what their entire process depends on. I've been over 100 in line for a game (SMG) and gotten it within two weeks. Please don't do this - sometimes you have good ideas djkunai, but I don't like this one.

Price ceilings are causing the shortage of rare games- it's just how economics works. Would you or any CAG willingly list MvC2 for PS2 knowing you would get 1000 GP (Goozex Points) for it? That equals out to $50, since you can purchase points from them. What about if someone offered you 2500 Goozex points? That's about $125 worth of games. Seem more reasonable? Or what about Super Smash Bros. Brawl? I have a copy in the middle of a trade right now, but I have 5 more I want to get rid of. If you (or anyone else) are interested, I'm willing to trade it for 1100 points. I can't even list it because I have to wait for the first one to go through, but for 100 extra points you get the game mailed out to you tomorrow without having to wait in a line of 156 people.


Oh yeah, I just checked and it is fraud by their Terms of Use:

5. FRAUDULENT ACTS. User agrees not to commit fraud using the Site or Services. Examples of fraud include, but are not limited to, committing to send a Product but not actually sending it,

If you agree with your fellow trader that you will trade a certain game but list it as another (a mutually agreed action) then you are not violating their terms of service. This is to protect the buyer from being considered done with getting a certain game so they aren't dropped from the waiting line (which, if that happens, you have to wait for Goozex to put you back in the front of the line while naother copy of the game may pass you by since you're still marked as awaiting arrival).

pretty good idea..
Thanks.

I think this kinda violates the spirit of goozex. Also you knwo several Gooozex high-ups visit CAG right? If this is against their rules they may come across this thread.

Maybe they'll realize that there's no way to prevent a black market (especially on the internet) and realize they need to let the free market place values on games (though their cash/point conversion works well as a base).

I think this is a terrible idea that is clearly fraudulent but I don't think you have to worry about it anyway. The owner has clearly gotten the message. Take a look at this thread.

http://www.goozex.com/community/forums/t/18936.aspx

It looks like it's only a matter of time before they allow you to set your own price within about 100 points of the Goozex price. I think it's a horrible idea. It's basically an admission by the owner of Goozex that his algorithm is broken and he can't fix it.



There is no supply/demand algorithm, the prices are fixed by staff manually based on user feedback or MSRP. See the :360: Beowulf example. 750 points, but it's MSRP is $19.99. I'd be willing to trade my copy for 300 points. Sound reasonable?


This sucks for me as I mainly use Goozex for new release PS3 games. Now in order to get any new release games, it'll cost you 1100 points instead of 1000. This will essentially devalue all of the points in your account by about 10% if you were planning on using them for new releases.
If you pay 1100 points ($55) for a new release, you may as well pick it up B&M to get it faster, then list it on Goozex. Nobody will force you to buy it at 1100 points, but some people are willing to and that's the way a free market works. If you're not willing to pay what the seller is asking, look for a different seller. Simply don't agree to pay 1100 for the game. In free market there comes an equilibrium, but that never occurs when a price hits a floor or a ceiling.

Why not just trade the game here instead of using Goozex as the middle man?

Because Goozex uses a point system, which is treated differently than cash. I'll use CoD4 as another example. I'll sell you a copy for $50. Or, 1000 Goozex points. It was $40 at Best Buy before Christmas. Why would you pay $50 for it? But 1000 Goozex points? You probably spent about $30 for all those points (a 500 pointer here, a 500 pointer there). It's just the way the GP currency works- it's more expendable than cash, and some people have plenty of it.

[wubb]

Why not just trade the game here instead of using Goozex as the middle man?

Yahtzee.

If you go into Goozex's system, play by their rules. If you don't want to do that trade here/sell on eBay/etc.

If you get Goozex's blessing for this system I'll reopen the thread.

[wubb]

Goozex has indicated (via PM to djkunai) they are fine with this thread continuing so I'm reopening it up.

However they did indicate they are not okay with circumventing the queue system, I believe djkunai will be updating the OP with what's up here.

[QiG]

I'm not really a fan of this as sometimes I like to look at the trading data and know if a game actually moves once in a while on the site.

I'm absolutely freakin in love with the trading forum on this site, and the goozex system because I don't like dealing with money because it will usually take a hit somewhere in the middle. However, I think you should just adjust your transaction with the fellow CAG to send the money equivalent in points and hold yourself to buying them on goozex if you strike a deal on here.

[mephitical]

I'm not really a fan of this as sometimes I like to look at the trading data and know if a game actually moves once in a while on the site.

I'm absolutely freakin in love with the trading forum on this site, and the goozex system because I don't like dealing with money because it will usually take a hit somewhere in the middle. However, I think you should just adjust your transaction with the fellow CAG to send the money equivalent in points and hold yourself to buying them on goozex if you strike a deal on here.
Agreed on all points. Even with Goozex's approval, this thread still just seems like a way for djkunai to unload his stock, which he could be doing anyway in the trading forum like this:

Have:
:wii: Bully Scholorship Edition

Want:
1000 Goozex points ($50)

I know, it defeats his whole point about people having a surplus of goozex points, but I really depend on the goozex trading data for a game in helping me to decide if I'm going to purchase something for trade. It has nothing to do with price ceilings and floors; if people start using this system, that trading data will eventually become worthless.

[Walt Jay]

I've used Goozex quite a bit, and run across the same issue as you describe. It'd be nice if the system would allow you to bid above/below the current market price of games. For example, say NHL 08 is 800 pts and I'm willing to pay 400 pts. It'd be great if the system would allow for that 400 pt offer to go out, and if someone is willing to send it for that much, then they'd accept it. It could work the other way too; for rare or new games, most people won't list it for 1000 points, but maybe 1200? 2000?

It'd be a great addition to Goozex, but I'm sure it'd be a lot of work on their end to get it up and running.

[bil4ltool]

I've used Goozex quite a bit, and run across the same issue as you describe. It'd be nice if the system would allow you to bid above/below the current market price of games. For example, say NHL 08 is 800 pts and I'm willing to pay 400 pts. It'd be great if the system would allow for that 400 pt offer to go out, and if someone is willing to send it for that much, then they'd accept it. It could work the other way too; for rare or new games, most people won't list it for 1000 points, but maybe 1200? 2000?

It'd be a great addition to Goozex, but I'm sure it'd be a lot of work on their end to get it up and running.

Exactly, like Assassin's Creed, right now there are 106 people ready to trade the full package, because it's at 1000 points. They should allow me to offer it, for say 850, and allow someone to bite on it, or lower the price themselves. Other games are highly undervalued by the point system and are in a never ending queue. Games like Mafia, Ace Combat 6, Shadow of Rome, Hotel Dusk. I've been waiting for these games for about a month now and barely moved in any of the queues. They should develop a system that automatically adjusts and equilibrates based on the number offered and number demanded at a given price.

I know they make adjustments, but it's obvious they aren't working well enough. If there are 30 people waiting for a game and no one offering it, raise the point value so more sellers come want to offer it and fewer buyers want to buy it. This is the way an efficient market works. Since goozex is the decision maker in the price value of the games, the actual people who make the deals (the buyers and sellers) have no say in what their game is worth.

I love the goozex concept, but the site needs better controls to equilibrate supply and demand.

[mephitical]

They should allow me to offer it, for say 850, and allow someone to bite on it, or lower the price themselves.
Like on half.com? Or Amazon's marketplace?


I love the goozex concept, but the site needs better controls to equilibrate supply and demand.
Even goozex staff has admitted this, but the system is decent and works for the most part. The beast that you and djkunai want to create already exists in many forms and instead of points, you can get cash. I think one of the main appeals of goozex over other sites is its simplicity; if you start adding variable points and other options, it becomes convoluted and just like any other resale site.

[mike.m]

Being 78th in line isn't necessarily a bad thing. As long as you have the necessary points for the game when it's your turn you'll be fine. There will be people in line that get passed over because they don't have enough points to receive the game and chances are when it comes your way the point value may be lower as it moves off of everyone's game radar. It's not like your physically standing in line so just wait and let the games come to you.

Goozex is the only game trading service for me, besides CAG, where I'm able to trade for games I actually want to play.

Besides, I feel much better knowing my games aren't going towards Gamestop or anywhere else at a fraction of what they are worth.

I guess you were right. After my complaining, I got a trade request for Ace Combat 6 yesterday, which was the game I was 'lowest' on a queue for. :D

[bil4ltool]

Like on half.com? Or Amazon's marketplace?


Even goozex staff has admitted this, but the system is decent and works for the most part. The beast that you and djkunai want to create already exists in many forms and instead of points, you can get cash. I think one of the main appeals of goozex over other sites is its simplicity; if you start adding variable points and other options, it becomes convoluted and just like any other resale site.

True, although the sites design is very clunky, the points system isn't convoluted. They should work out an automatic system to adjust game prices and supply and demand changes, for instance, dropping AC to 900 points automatically to shift towards equilibrium. I know manually changing would be daunting, but surely they could come up with an automatic system that changes points off the ratio of available:wanted.

[ducci]

I think what you're talking about exists.... it's called GameTZ. And it's free.

[JJSP]

I just sent :360: Condemned for 500 points. That's $25 virtual dollars for a game that cost me $8.96 at Circuit City.

Goozex might get some things wrong, but when they're right, they're right. :)

[Goozex]

Hey everybody,

I wanted to jump in and just give the Goozex stamp of approval on constructive feedback. As many long time members know, we seriously take your points of concern and see how we can improve the trading system for everybody. I very much understand the points raised in the OP and I think they are fair for some members. But what we don't condone is trading games on Goozex outside the boundaries of our Terms of Use. As was stated earlier, you lose the 100% guarantee on this type of activity and you start to dilute the trust factor with Goozex.

Also, as was stated a few times, CAG is a great place to trade directly with someone. Especially for rare games. When we showup at the DC CAG meetups that is what's going on among members. We receive a lot of comments from members that their favorite thing about Goozex is the hassle free aspect of trading. And that's what we really try to push. You basically setup your two libraries and go from there. No bartering, bidding, etc. The drawback is that we lose out on the rare and bundled games market. That's b/c rare games require that one important aspect: quality condition (i.e. mint). Goozex cannot operationally support this granular aspect of trading. Again, CAG works well with rare games trading.


In the end, we want to meet the demands of our members and so we look for the best constructive feedback possible to drive our future developments.

I'll stay out of the discussion unless I see something factually wrong about Goozex -- for example, our points are not manually entered -- but are based on current MSRP, Supply and Demand, and Release date.

Finally! I think it's great that there is passion about the Goozex service...anything we can do to support that is an epic win. Stay tuned for some fun stuff coming soon.

Mark (aka Blackcoyote on Goozex)

[bil4ltool]

I think what you're talking about exists.... it's called GameTZ. And it's free.

What are you talking about? GameTZ does not use a points system and it's peer to peer and there are no set prices....I've been on GameTZ for years, it's nothing like Goozex. I trade on here, GTZ, and Goozex, I think I know what I'm talking about.

All I'm saying is that I'm liking Goozex more and more, but I think that supply and demand should effect point shifts quicker. If I'm in a queue for a game for a couple of weeks and haven't moved up more than one spot that game should go up, at least until demand levels out.

Why are games like Assassin's Creed still 1000 points? Sure there is still solid demand at that price, but it's not getting any rarer and there are way more suppliers than demanders at 1000 points. I don't think MSRP should have any effect except when the game is first listed on the site, after that supply and demand should be the only factors determining points.

I think the 1000 points cap is overused, so many games are at 1000 points that will never be traded (see Guitar Hero and Rock Band bundles). I know it's going to be hard to find a tremendous balance, and I really am liking the site more and more, but I have 3400 points right now and about 6 games in my queue that are sitting there not moving, and I think it really is a problem.

I honestly don't think release date and MSRP should effect points at all after the first couple of weeks, the Goozex market should be completely decided by the users of the site. If a game if put up at 1000 points and it's not getting many demanders, drop it quick until it evens out, and vice versa.

Thanks for making a great site and taking comments into consideration! Kudos!

[mephitical]

I honestly don't think release date and MSRP should effect points at all after the first couple of weeks, the Goozex market should be completely decided by the users of the site. If a game if put up at 1000 points and it's not getting many demanders, drop it quick until it evens out, and vice versa.

Thanks for making a great site and taking comments into consideration! Kudos!

Many games that came out around the holidays trying to make a quick buck are dropping MSRP this month by $20 or more. If Goozex is quick to adjust point values, all of a sudden I might be curious to try out My Word Coach for the Wii when I saw the points drop to 500 or less and their values reflect the retail market. If they didn't do this, I'd have very little incentive not to just take my $20 to a retail store rather than spend excessive points. With your proposition, right now for that game there are more requests than offers, which would force the point value to stay high.

I don't think either system is perfect, but I like this discussion. Maybe we'll stumble on the perfect Goozex alogorithm for them.

[h3llbring3r]

Your exact scenario happened to me this fall. I wanted to trade my Bioshock for Orange box. I waited and waited and waited. Finally giving up. This is why I think Goozex market model is slow and broken.

I just gave up, put it on my trade list and within one and a half weeks had it done.

Honestly, it is quicker to eBay something and then buy what I want with thes paypal sales funds. I do prefer trading here and always try it first.

I understand your idea for the black market system but why? Especially when you run the risk of a frozen account.

[bil4ltool]

Many games that came out around the holidays trying to make a quick buck are dropping MSRP this month by $20 or more. If Goozex is quick to adjust point values, all of a sudden I might be curious to try out My Word Coach for the Wii when I saw the points drop to 500 or less and their values reflect the retail market. If they didn't do this, I'd have very little incentive not to just take my $20 to a retail store rather than spend excessive points. With your proposition, right now for that game there are more requests than offers, which would force the point value to stay high.

I don't think either system is perfect, but I like this discussion. Maybe we'll stumble on the perfect Goozex alogorithm for them.

Right, but if a game like Zack and Wiki drops to $30 and it still has 30 requests and 0 offers right now, it should go up from 700 points to say 800, to even the market. Price has obviously has little effect on the point value by the demanders here, because at 700 points, which is only 300 less points than games that cost twice as much, it is still in much demand.

Your exact scenario happened to me this fall. I wanted to trade my Bioshock for Orange box. I waited and waited and waited. Finally giving up. This is why I think Goozex market model is slow and broken.

I just gave up, put it on my trade list and within one and a half weeks had it done.

Honestly, it is quicker to eBay something and then buy what I want with thes paypal sales funds. I do prefer trading here and always try it first.

I understand your idea for the black market system but why? Especially when you run the risk of a frozen account.

This is my point, it shouldn't take weeks upon weeks to unload and get games. If a game you want to unload has way too many people selling it, the point value needs to drop, and if demand skyrockets, it needs to increase a bit until it hits a steady point.

I've had Call of Juarez in my library since early January, and there are more people with the game available, than the number of times it has been traded in the last 9 months. Obviously this point value needs to decrease by a good amount so I can unload it. More people will want it, and fewer people will want to sell it, but there will be a much happier medium. Judging by the past, I won't be able to unload Call of Juarez for over a year....that is ridiculous.

[h3llbring3r]

I agree, it's a broken system. Goozex fails.

[LilPaintballer]

should we make a new thread with people listing there games and how much goozex points they want

:Xbox: Dark Alliance 2 = 600pts Goozex

[djkunai]

should we make a new thread with people listing there games and how much goozex points they want

:Xbox: Dark Alliance 2 = 600pts Goozex

I was thinking about this, just to try and find an equilibrium among CAG members for the rarer games. I'm in class at the moment, but I plan on implementing several ideas for finding out how equilibrium can be established while remembering the issues of tax (the $1 charge for buyers) and the Muze system which apparently is updated less frequently than Blockbuster's (which is 2 and a half months slow, again the :360: Beowulf example).

[bil4ltool]

I just think that Goozex needs to values of games faster, I don't want Call of Juarez, but I know people want it, but they're not willing to drop 550 points on it, because it's been on sale for $10 at times.

[slidecage]

if people want to name their own prices then take them to

Switchplanet. Then wait and watch how long it takes you get a game there.

I dont think there has been a Wii game listing for 6 months and at least a few months since the last DS or PSP was added.

i have little under 20,000 pts on goozex (wooo was matched on world of outlaws 2002 for ps2 doubt it comes)

and i have 642 pts on switchplanet



i have more belive that my 20,000 goozex pts will be around a lot longer to get games then my 600 switch

If i wanted to i could dump my 20,000 goozex pts probally on good games within 2 months

it would take years to dump 600 pts on switch. since nothing ever gets listed

[joserjerr]

if people want to name their own prices then take them to

Switchplanet. Then wait and watch how long it takes you get a game there.

I dont think there has been a Wii game listing for 6 months and at least a few months since the last DS or PSP was added.

i have little under 20,000 pts on goozex (wooo was matched on world of outlaws 2002 for ps2 doubt it comes)

and i have 642 pts on switchplanet



i have more belive that my 20,000 goozex pts will be around a lot longer to get games then my 600 switch

If i wanted to i could dump my 20,000 goozex pts probally on good games within 2 months

it would take years to dump 600 pts on switch. since nothing ever gets listed

I have 219 points on SwitchPlanet that will be there for a long time to come. Good thing most of the stuff I dumped to get those points had little value to me.

[bil4ltool]

if people want to name their own prices then take them to

Switchplanet. Then wait and watch how long it takes you get a game there.

I dont think there has been a Wii game listing for 6 months and at least a few months since the last DS or PSP was added.

i have little under 20,000 pts on goozex (wooo was matched on world of outlaws 2002 for ps2 doubt it comes)

and i have 642 pts on switchplanet



i have more belive that my 20,000 goozex pts will be around a lot longer to get games then my 600 switch

If i wanted to i could dump my 20,000 goozex pts probally on good games within 2 months

it would take years to dump 600 pts on switch. since nothing ever gets listed

I'm not comparing goozex to switchplanet, I'm just giving suggestions of how Goozex could be improved.

[bil4ltool]

Right now I'd like to unload Rainbow Six Vegas on Goozex, but at 600 points there are like 90 available already. This is the problem I'm talking about. It should probably drop the 450 or so, because at this point I'll probably have to wait 6+ months to trade it.

[Vinny]

I agree, it's a broken system. Goozex fails.

I wish I'd known that before... sent out 4 games, received 1, and now have 450 points just sitting there.

Goozex sucks.

[bil4ltool]

I wish I'd known that before... sent out 4 games, received 1, and now have 450 points just sitting there.

Goozex sucks.

EXACTLY, I have 3400 points and tons of games I'd love to to get, but I'd rather not wait til next generation to get them. Please take note Goozex, fix the point system and your userbase will likely sky rocket, as will your profits.

[ThatDamnDave]

This thread sure took a negative turn.

If you want new releases within a month of their release, Goozex is probably not for you. I will say, however, that I have received Assassin's Creed, Kane & Lynch and Ace Combat 6 within the past month and while they are not brand new releases, they are fairly recent titles that I used credit on to receive. I received Guitar Hero 3 when it was fairly new. That's a big plus for me as I'm essentially paying $4 ($3 shipping on whatever trade in I used + $1 Goozex credit) to get these games.

You will not be able to unload everything, of course. However, I've unloaded games like Viva Pinata, DOAX2, Tony Hawk Project 8 and other junk that I could never unload on CAG. Everyone's experience is going to be different, but with some patience on the queues, you'll find that you'll be more efficient than you thought in turning old crap into fairly recent games.

I'd support a faster adjustment model that more heavily weighted supply & demand over the other factors Goozex uses, but I'm happy with the service so far.

(Now match me a DMC4!)

[bil4ltool]

This thread sure took a negative turn.

If you want new releases within a month of their release, Goozex is probably not for you. I will say, however, that I have received Assassin's Creed, Kane & Lynch and Ace Combat 6 within the past month and while they are not brand new releases, they are fairly recent titles that I used credit on to receive. I received Guitar Hero 3 when it was fairly new. That's a big plus for me as I'm essentially paying $4 ($3 shipping on whatever trade in I used + $1 Goozex credit) to get these games.

You will not be able to unload everything, of course. However, I've unloaded games like Viva Pinata, DOAX2, Tony Hawk Project 8 and other junk that I could never unload on CAG. Everyone's experience is going to be different, but with some patience on the queues, you'll find that you'll be more efficient than you thought in turning old crap into fairly recent games.

I'd support a faster adjustment model that more heavily weighted supply & demand over the other factors Goozex uses, but I'm happy with the service so far.

(Now match me a DMC4!)

You're right, it's a good service, and I do like it, but there are numerous ways to improve it. For instance having the trading info on the page of the game rather than having to click it. I don't mean to come off as negative but it's frustrating that a game I want to unload is valued way too highly on Goozex (Call of Juarez), so much so that I'll probably never get rid of it. I'd take 200-250 less for it, but I don't have that option and NO ONE is biting on the current point value. I have a few 100 and 200 points games on my list I'm interested in that haven't moved at all, this means they should probably be increased in value to entice more people to part with it. 100 points isn't enough for me to part with any game, as shipping and my time is worth more than 100 points to me unless I could ship 5+ 100 point games at once.

The site could be less confusing overall, saying I have 30+ turns to go when there are only 4 people in line ahead of me for a certain game is silly, and to be quite honest I'm still unsure why some of these numbers are so high. I was immediately very turned off by the site and how confusing it was. I know that I'm not the only one and obviously people are being turned off by various aspects of the site. I was persistent and I've begun to get the hang of it, but I know a lot of people aren't like that. That's profits down the drain, and less games on the market.

Will there ever be a system every single person who trades enjoys? No way, I know some people dont like GameTZ, but Goozex seems confusing for no reason, and the supply demand shifts are way way too slow. I'm not going to stop using the site if it stays the same, but I know traders are getting frustrated with the site and some are getting turned off right away because of how confusing it is. These fixes wouldn't be simple to implement and they would take time, but I think they're a necessary step forward to progress Goozex and increase the user base.

[Snake2715]

I agree with some things here, Its actually an easy sight to get on and navigate, its a bit slow at times.

The thing is if the points are based on the retail then why is Patapon 600 points? Should it not be 400 points? I want to get it but I wont pay over retail for a used game, if we are looking at 100 points = $5.

So I think we really need to find out how the games points are established, the supply demand thing could cause trouble as it could be like the stock market early on... where a bunch of members get together and artificially inflate the price then dump a bunch of them.

The patpaon PSP thing does confuse me though.

[flasht3]

The site could be less confusing overall, saying I have 30+ turns to go when there are only 4 people in line ahead of me for a certain game is silly, and to be quite honest I'm still unsure why some of these numbers are so high.



What's the difference between "Turns to Go" and "Trading Info" (Active, Ready, On Hold)?There are several Countries supported by Goozex, and each member can opt-in or opt-out from trading with each Country at any moment. (add/remove the Country to your trading region).

For this reason, the "Turns to go" on your Request or Library lists show your position relative to all other users in all Countries (as a system-wide queue position). Goozex does this to avoid that when a user adds/removes a Country to his list, your position in the queue changes.

Conversely, the Trading Info tab - "Active", "Ready", "On Hold" - in the game page shows only those in YOUR trading region, so those that you can really trade with right now.

[magiic]

I like the patapon price. I bought it for $20CAD, didnt like it and then sent it off on goozex for 650 points :)

[bil4ltool]

I agree with some things here, Its actually an easy sight to get on and navigate, its a bit slow at times.

The thing is if the points are based on the retail then why is Patapon 600 points? Should it not be 400 points? I want to get it but I wont pay over retail for a used game, if we are looking at 100 points = $5.

So I think we really need to find out how the games points are established, the supply demand thing could cause trouble as it could be like the stock market early on... where a bunch of members get together and artificially inflate the price then dump a bunch of them.

The patpaon PSP thing does confuse me though.

I don't think retail should be a determinant at ALL. If a game like Zack and Wiki is going for 700+ points than keep it there or raise it. Supply and demand. Let the traders decide what something is worth.

[mephitical]

I don't mean to come off as negative but it's frustrating that a game I want to unload is valued way too highly on Goozex (Call of Juarez), so much so that I'll probably never get rid of it. I'd take 200-250 less for it, but I don't have that option and NO ONE is biting on the current point value.
This seems to be such a major concern for a few of you. I guess I really am confused - why do you not just sell it on something like half.com if you're willing to take that kind of discount? It's 550 points right now, or about $25. You say you would take 250 fewer points, which would put the game at 300 points, or about $15. You could list it on half.com for $14, get rid of it very quickly and have cash you can spend anywhere instead of points that you're not patient enough to appreciate anyway.
The site could be less confusing overall, saying I have 30+ turns to go when there are only 4 people in line ahead of me for a certain game is silly, and to be quite honest I'm still unsure why some of these numbers are so high. I was immediately very turned off by the site and how confusing it was. I know that I'm not the only one and obviously people are being turned off by various aspects of the site.

Parts of the site are confusing, but it doesn't take more than a couple times using it to understand the setup. The 30+ turns is a necessary by-product of allowing users to pop games on and off hold and not being able to predict what someone's point balance will be when their turn comes up.

I've put myself in this position of defending Goozex somehow, even though I tend to agree with some of the complaints here. I think it's because most of the suggestions ultimately would make it much more difficult to deal on Goozex for the bulk of the user base who accept the current rules. I think it's just not the right venue for some users and some games, but I don't think the solution is to try to turn it into an amalgamation of every possible way to trade/sell/buy games.

[Snake2715]

I don't think retail should be a determinant at ALL. If a game like Zack and Wiki is going for 700+ points than keep it there or raise it. Supply and demand. Let the traders decide what something is worth.

I am not saying it should, the others here and supposedly Muse or whomever sets the price based on retail.....? If thats the case this one example I have recently came cross is 150% above retail.

[ajumbaje]

one thing you can do with new releases on goozex is file the systems you have with more recent dates on the top of the list, look around and find ones that havent come out yet that you want

servers refresh at 1 am, so if you want a game that comes out that day and oyu have goozex points, refresh the page of the game you want at 1 am, request game tab comes up, bam, you should be right up there or on top of the list

it might not be available right away, but its less waiting, but it means that you have to have the time to do all that in advance and what not

[slidecage]

I'm not comparing goozex to switchplanet, I'm just giving suggestions of how Goozex could be improved.

wasnt really pointing you out just saying all of the people who want to start putting pt they want to pay. Look at switch.

[djkunai]

servers refresh at 1 am, so if you want a game that comes out that day and oyu have goozex points, refresh the page of the game you want at 1 am, request game tab comes up, bam, you should be right up there or on top of the list



Actually, before Brawl was released there was a line of 50+ people that managed to put it on their lists when it was first entered into the system.

[magiic]

I've never had much probably with waiting on goozex. I currently have over 24,000 points and I am constantly getting matched for stuff on my request list.

[phear3d]

If you want new releases within a month of their release, Goozex is probably not for you.
i swear i thought they said it otherwise. at least when they first started, and the flaws isn't as clearly visible as it is today.

Actually, before Brawl was released there was a line of 50+ people that managed to put it on their lists when it was first entered into the system.
this is a major problem for me, and i think for everyone as well. why would you allow a game to be added onto their REQUEST before it even comes out? this clearly ruins the whole "get the newest games" motto. yeah, maybe 8 months later when the sellers are done playing with it.

i like the comments on this thread, pure, and unbiased. and it brings out the many flaws of goozex. unless they try to fix these problems, i would have to agree with h3llbring3r:

it's a broken system. Goozex fails.

[slidecage]

jumped on hourglass for 600 pts

dumped orcs and elves for 400 pts. Got it for 20 bucks. SOLD the sylus alone around xmas for 40 bucks (thats right someone paid 40 just for the pen)



so i got the game free + 20 bucks.

[Vinny]

I'm sick of getting these emails every week about how every thing on my requests list goes up in points. I had Tomba 2 listed when it was 150 points and now it's 350. I've had Clubhouse Games listed when it was 450 and now it's 550.

And I just got an email saying they matched me with a copy of Clubhouse Games but I didn't have enough points... and that I should buy more points for when it next becomes available. By that time, the game will probably go up another 150 points.:roll:

[mephitical]

I'm sick of getting these emails every week about how every thing on my requests list goes up in points. I had Tomba 2 listed when it was 150 points and now it's 350. I've had Clubhouse Games listed when it was 450 and now it's 550.

And I just got an email saying they matched me with a copy of Clubhouse Games but I didn't have enough points... and that I should buy more points for when it next becomes available. By that time, the game will probably go up another 150 points.:roll:

It seems to be coming down to perspective. If someone asked me how goozex worked, I would probably post the exact same thing Vinny did here but without the complaining tone. I don't see these things as flaws - I see them as the rules of the game. In fact, your complaint this post is completely contrary to previous complaints of yours. Tomba 2 is going up in points because of demand. As you keep it on your list and others add it, of course it will increase in point value.

This seems to have evolved to the "dump on goozex" thread instead of offering possible solutions to the known flaws. Which is fine, but I think if any of us do come up with proposals for fixes/modifications to the system they'll get a better reception on the goozex forums.

[flasht3]

this is a major problem for me, and i think for everyone as well. why would you allow a game to be added onto their REQUEST before it even comes out? this clearly ruins the whole "get the newest games" motto. yeah, maybe 8 months later when the sellers are done playing with it.


Someone forgot to change the release date. The Goozex system automatically allows a user to request a game when the current date is the same or later than the release date.

Smash Bros. at one point had a release date of sometime in December 3 I think, which is what Goozex listed. When the date was pushed back to March, no one changed it. When December 3rd came around, people were able to request it. Shortly afterwards, they finally updated the release date and no one else was able to request it again until March 9th.

[ajumbaje]

Actually, before Brawl was released there was a line of 50+ people that managed to put it on their lists when it was first entered into the system.

that happened with army of two also before they changed the release date to its actual date

[djkunai]

Someone forgot to change the release date. The Goozex system automatically allows a user to request a game when the current date is the same or later than the release date.

Smash Bros. at one point had a release date of sometime in December 3 I think, which is what Goozex listed. When the date was pushed back to March, no one changed it. When December 3rd came around, people were able to request it. Shortly afterwards, they finally updated the release date and no one else was able to request it again until March 9th.

They should have canceled all the user requests that were made on that day and told them that they would have to re-request it on the actual release date.

[phear3d]

I'm sick of getting these emails every week about how every thing on my requests list goes up in points. I had Tomba 2 listed when it was 150 points and now it's 350. I've had Clubhouse Games listed when it was 450 and now it's 550.
i hate this. i like the fact that you get an email about them now. but before, they change the freakin points without telling you.

for example, i had castlevania symphony of the night at 400 points on my request. after a long wait, finally someone is able to trade it. it found a match, then drops it because it said i didnt have enough points. it clearly said 400 points. and i had 450 points at the time. so i DO have enough points. so i complained about it, and obviously i didnt get a reply back. then for same stupid reason it was actually 900 points!!

[ThatDamnDave]

Professor Layton just released for me today. I have no problem getting fairly recent games with a little patience.

Just my experience.

[Mr Unoriginal]

Professor Layton just released for me today. I have no problem getting fairly recent games with a little patience.

Just my experience.

I agree, I find as long as I have enough points at all times, it won't be long before I get a game. I put Smash Bros. Brawl on my requested list less than a week ago, it said "Long Wait." Now I'm at 59 in line and I'm sure that at least half in front of me don't have enough points for it and I'll receive it in less than 2 weeks.

[mephitical]

I agree, I find as long as I have enough points at all times, it won't be long before I get a game. I put Smash Bros. Brawl on my requested list less than a week ago, it said "Long Wait." Now I'm at 59 in line and I'm sure that at least half in front of me don't have enough points for it and I'll receive it in less than 2 weeks.
Yep. I got Mario Galaxy within two weeks of requesting despite it never changing from "very long wait".

[djkunai]

Hey guys, just a quick update on the price ceiling being raised and what it means for the future of Goozex.

[djkunai]

Just a quick question added to the OP-

[slidecage]

man im sick of people #$#$##$ about this site pts. They should of kept the 1200 and told the people to #$#$# off.

its probally been a month since i got a good game from them

nothing good ever gets listed

and half of the pt system is broken

750 for Adavance wars days what everyone wants
but
800 for mario and sonic at the games what sucked

LOL

and they got a golf freeezb game for 800 pts what you can buy at target for 10 LOL

[QiG]

man im sick of people #$#$##$ about this site pts. They should of kept the 1200 and told the people to #$#$# off.

its probally been a month since i got a good game from them

nothing good ever gets listed

and half of the pt system is broken

750 for Adavance wars days what everyone wants
but
800 for mario and sonic at the games what sucked

LOL

and they got a golf freeezb game for 800 pts what you can buy at target for 10 LOL

This made me realize that people get so excited to receive a shrinkwrapped new game through goozex and they end up tipping.. truth of the matter is that they just found the game on clearance and flipped it. Something I'm not a big fan of.

[texasgamer]

Goozex sucks in a big way alright!!

It takes forever to get even the 100 point games I request. then once, in the middle of a trade, they lower the point value I will recieve to sell the game - while the trade was active and just waiting for me to accept it! Talk about cheap! I didnt notice till after i hit accept.

ALSO once I recieved a game that was just the disc when I specifically requested full package. the only thing it would let me do is leave neutral feedback - wouldnt even let me leave negative - and i was stuck with just a stupid disc that I had wanted to give to a friend for a trade - but he wanted full package - which I was supposed to get!

ALSO - I have sent no less than four emails to their "Customer support" and have to date never recieved a reply to even ONE of those emails!! Responsive customer support my arse!!! Do they even exist??? I bet they are all out jacking up the price of the games people are in the process of trading - quick!

I am going to stick to selling and buying my games on my moms ebay account. You may not get much for them - but you dont pay much either! She buys "lots" of games that have the one I want in them and then when i sell the ones I dont want (or trade them with friends here) I usually end up geting my games almost free!!

GOOOZEX - LISTEN UP - WHEN MY POINTS ARE GONE - SO AM I!!!!

[Renaissance 2K]

These "I hate Goozex" posts that seem to be popping up lately remind me of when I was playing Final Fantasy XI, and users on the forum would complain that the game should be more like World of Warcraft.

"So, go play World of Warcraft!"
"Yea, but... I want to ride a Chocobo."

If you don't like how Goozex works, don't use it. Use CAG, GameTZ, TGN; sell your games on eBay; trade them into GameStop; stand on a bridge and throw them on convertibles. Whatever. Heck, open up your own point-based gaming site, implement your suggestions, and see what happens. All the "you will make more money" and "you will gain more members" comments certainly imply that you all know more about owning a business than Goozex does.

Goozex does work, and works well for what it sets out to do. Just because it doesn't "work" for you, that doesn't make it "broken". No, it's not perfect, but neither is any other trading/resale channel; CAG included.

If you don't like it, get the ShaqFu out of Dodge instead of trying to play the sheriff.

[punkmaggit]

Goozex sucks in a big way alright!!

It takes forever to get even the 100 point games I request. then once, in the middle of a trade, they lower the point value I will recieve to sell the game - while the trade was active and just waiting for me to accept it! Talk about cheap! I didnt notice till after i hit accept.

ALSO once I recieved a game that was just the disc when I specifically requested full package. the only thing it would let me do is leave neutral feedback - wouldnt even let me leave negative - and i was stuck with just a stupid disc that I had wanted to give to a friend for a trade - but he wanted full package - which I was supposed to get!

ALSO - I have sent no less than four emails to their "Customer support" and have to date never recieved a reply to even ONE of those emails!! Responsive customer support my arse!!! Do they even exist??? I bet they are all out jacking up the price of the games people are in the process of trading - quick!

I am going to stick to selling and buying my games on my moms ebay account. You may not get much for them - but you dont pay much either! She buys "lots" of games that have the one I want in them and then when i sell the ones I dont want (or trade them with friends here) I usually end up geting my games almost free!!

GOOOZEX - LISTEN UP - WHEN MY POINTS ARE GONE - SO AM I!!!!

:wave:

[homeland]

I've never really had a problem with them but, i have 1100 points and no trade credits so i'm just waiting for a free trade period to happen again and then I'm done. The site is a good idea though.

[PR Mega X]

I am going to stick to selling and buying my games on my moms ebay account. You may not get much for them - but you dont pay much either! She buys "lots" of games that have the one I want in them and then when i sell the ones I dont want (or trade them with friends here) I usually end up geting my games almost free!!

GOOOZEX - LISTEN UP - WHEN MY POINTS ARE GONE - SO AM I!!!!

:rofl:

Have fun. Just because you didn't pay attention to the change in points doesn't mean it's the fault of Goozex. They don't even choose the prices -- it's call supply and demand dictating value. Maybe when you're old enough for your own eBay account, you'll have a better understanding of economics and those oh-so complicated video game trading websites.

[slidecage]

Goozex sucks in a big way alright!!

It takes forever to get even the 100 point games I request. then once, in the middle of a trade, they lower the point value I will recieve to sell the game - while the trade was active and just waiting for me to accept it! Talk about cheap! I didnt notice till after i hit accept.

ALSO once I recieved a game that was just the disc when I specifically requested full package. the only thing it would let me do is leave neutral feedback - wouldnt even let me leave negative - and i was stuck with just a stupid disc that I had wanted to give to a friend for a trade - but he wanted full package - which I was supposed to get!

ALSO - I have sent no less than four emails to their "Customer support" and have to date never recieved a reply to even ONE of those emails!! Responsive customer support my arse!!! Do they even exist??? I bet they are all out jacking up the price of the games people are in the process of trading - quick!

I am going to stick to selling and buying my games on my moms ebay account. You may not get much for them - but you dont pay much either! She buys "lots" of games that have the one I want in them and then when i sell the ones I dont want (or trade them with friends here) I usually end up geting my games almost free!!

GOOOZEX - LISTEN UP - WHEN MY POINTS ARE GONE - SO AM I!!!!


First off They do NOT Lower the point vaule if your in the middle of a trade *unless they changed this in the last week*

there has been a number of times games have fallen in vaule but my Trade stayed the same More like you got MATChED after the price change

check the messsage boards and post there. I have gotten 5 disc only games when i requested full games and i got my Pts and credits back POST IN THE MESSAGE BOARD


if you dont like it then Leave .... i have done almost 300 trades on goozex and they are the best around .

yes it will take all the time in the world to get a game for 100 pts if noone has it LISTED ... many people will pull their games once they hit 100 to 200 pts

and now these days its harder to get the 100 pt games unless your right there when the points drop. I kinow when the points drop and its not hard to figure it out if you look back and check your emails

300 + trades on goozex
50+ trades on switch
0 trades on TZ cause everyone wants 10x the worth or wants you to sell it for 10x less its worth LOL

[xycury]

I've only had 1 trade so far, and it was perfect... but I did another one after I traded one in and I thought I was like ready to match up but the price increased... so I couldn't get it.

I think a little bit more visibility ... say that I'm 2nd in line, and there are two ready... why can't I be 1st yet... because the other person keeps saying no? or what?

I think better stock would help, but since this is all user to user, it's fine, but I don't like the fact that if I want something, I throw up the points right away....

it's like I send someone money that they hold on to.... but I can't use.... so if something I wanted comes back, then I have to cancel/hold it and drop out of line to go get that other one.

wondering if the points shouldn't be kept till traded, or at least accepted once the other says yes I will ship.

[MasterSun1]

300 + trades on goozex
50+ trades on switch
0 trades on TZ cause everyone wants 10x the worth or wants you to sell it for 10x less its worth LOL

TZ as in GameTZ.com? If so, I have 300+ trades there. Maybe you just run into douches.

[Snake2715]

TZ as in GameTZ.com? If so, I have 300+ trades there. Maybe you just run into douches.

Yeah I had 30-45 trades there.. havent been on since probably 2005 or so though. Whenever they enacted that pay to trade deal (before they changed it back to the free)

[dios]

Goozex Rules. havent had a bad experience yet. iono what the guys above are complaining about. have a decent amount of trade credits and 1700+ points or more at all times and you should never have trouble. :/

[slidecage]

I've only had 1 trade so far, and it was perfect... but I did another one after I traded one in and I thought I was like ready to match up but the price increased... so I couldn't get it.

I think a little bit more visibility ... say that I'm 2nd in line, and there are two ready... why can't I be 1st yet... because the other person keeps saying no? or what?

I think better stock would help, but since this is all user to user, it's fine, but I don't like the fact that if I want something, I throw up the points right away....

it's like I send someone money that they hold on to.... but I can't use.... so if something I wanted comes back, then I have to cancel/hold it and drop out of line to go get that other one.

wondering if the points shouldn't be kept till traded, or at least accepted once the other says yes I will ship.

Why should not your points be held when you get matched. If you pts was not held anyone could request 100 games for 500 pts each and only have 100 pts in their account

[QiG]

TZ as in GameTZ.com? If so, I have 300+ trades there. Maybe you just run into douches.

I'll second the user who doesn't like negotiating on GameTZ (if people bother to acknowledge your trade at all). Not everyone is a douche, but I've run into enough to turn me off to personal trades altogether after working out about 30-35 trades between here, gametz, and tradegamesnow.

Beyond that, I've become the unofficial goozex shill around here lately as well :D

[slidecage]

WOW shocking Goozex did a point change last night. I was not expecting a point change until Late weekend since the update just happened saturday night ...

it breaks the major pattern they had going ....

nothing good fell to 100 pts. many of the 100 pt games jump to 150

checking now

lol Deep Labyrinth went to 200 pt with no request.. come on drop it to 100 so i can request it

cant wait till next pt drop. hope a lot of these 150 games fall to 100

there are around 12 to 15 games i would request at 100 but 150 is too much

[xycury]

Why should not your points be held when you get matched. If you pts was not held anyone could request 100 games for 500 pts each and only have 100 pts in their account

See that's what I don't get... the Match part.

how long does a match take, does it actually need be this damn slow.

I see 2 ready, I'm 2nd in line, yet they still take my points, and I'm still 2nd in line.

What is happening on the 1st person, why aren't the 2 supplies going to 0...

I just don't get that part of the matching.

I agree with your point that it would be stupid, but isn't that why there is a Ready, Hold, and Active???

I can request it, if I'm not Ready, I get bumped. I can be 4th in line, if I don't have the points, I get shifted to 5th in line... and so forth.

I just think the MATCH system is SLOW.

And maybe some more info I need to learn about Goozex.

Also do people on hold ever get an email saying there are people requesting this item? I guess this is my only big gripe about it.

[slidecage]

See that's what I don't get... the Match part.

how long does a match take, does it actually need be this damn slow.

I see 2 ready, I'm 2nd in line, yet they still take my points, and I'm still 2nd in line.

What is happening on the 1st person, why aren't the 2 supplies going to 0...

I just don't get that part of the matching.

I agree with your point that it would be stupid, but isn't that why there is a Ready, Hold, and Active???

I can request it, if I'm not Ready, I get bumped. I can be 4th in line, if I don't have the points, I get shifted to 5th in line... and so forth.

I just think the MATCH system is SLOW.

And maybe some more info I need to learn about Goozex.

Also do people on hold ever get an email saying there are people requesting this item? I guess this is my only big gripe about it.

i got an email saying a game would of shipped if i had trade credits

if your 2nd in line and your pts are getting taken it means the person in front of you dont have

Trade credits or the pts needed

you get matched within 3 hours and the person has 24 hours to accept... so you should have your pts back in 25 to 30 hours ... its not like it used to be where your pts was tied up for 2+ days

[xycury]

i got an email saying a game would of shipped if i had trade credits

if your 2nd in line and your pts are getting taken it means the person in front of you dont have

Trade credits or the pts needed

you get matched within 3 hours and the person has 24 hours to accept... so you should have your pts back in 25 to 30 hours ... its not like it used to be where your pts was tied up for 2+ days

my points have been tied up all week...

It's in Earth 2140 for PC... I'm 2nd in line. but the other person 1st, wants a full package. I guess now that I look at it, the other person has it on Hold.

oh well.

[JJSP]

Is Orange Box 360 still like 300 points?

[m0rningbreakfast]

Wow what did kunai do to get banned?

On a bright note, I sent my first game - Beautilful Katamari - and I'm now just waiting to collect my 400 points.