2008 NFL Season Thread

[pimpinc333]

Here we go Steelers. Here we go! First to 6! Suck on that Tom Brady!

? What does Tom Brady have to do with the Steelers winning 6 Super Bowls in the life time of the franchise?

[winterice]

No. I agree. It was a forward pass. They didn't even give it a second look. Next thing you know the Steelers are snapping the ball.

Disagree. It looked fumble to me.

[primetime]

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Goodnight haters :D:applause:

[pimpinc333]

Who was the MVP anywho? Holmes? He seems like the only deserving one.

[evilpenguin9000]

Big Ben shoulda been the MVP. He engineered a 78 yard drive in the final two minutes to win the game. Holmes was good, but Roethlisberger threw a perfect ball.

[VipFREAK]

Did you see the Cash4Gold ad with MC Hammer and Ed McMahon, myke?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrNipeP4HvQ

Fuck, so much for saving that.

[DT778]

Not looking at the replay at the end of the game was fucking dirty by the NFL.

[VipFREAK]

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z196/steel1690/img11327148.jpg


The Black guy from House is the coach? whOa.

[zman73]

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Goodnight haters :D:applause:


NICE...

[Inf^Shini]

I say two of those 3 personal fouls on the Cards in that one Steeler drive was bs; the calls by the refs were pretty shady sometimes.

[RAMSTORIA]

I say two of those 3 personal fouls on the Cards in that one Steeler drive was bs; the calls by the refs were pretty shady sometimes.

the only one that was "shady" was the roughing the qb call, it was close and could have been called either way. and the last fumble they didnt review, i think its fine because it wouldnt have been overturned. his arm was going forward but the ball was already knocked loose at that point.

[tivo]

^^ agreed.
Especially the roughing the passer call- complete bull.

The game really could have gone either way. Steelers were really lucky.

[DT778]

To me it looked like he still hand control of the ball for bit while his arm started going forward then he lost it. But fuck it, what do I know. I just got one quick instant TV replay then the game was over and never to be spoken of again.

[dafoomie]

They didn't call the celebration after the TD either (shaking the football into his hand like a ketchup bottle, which is using the ball as a prop), would've given Arizona 15 yards on the kickoff on their final drive.

[opportunity777]

Who was the MVP anywho? Holmes? He seems like the only deserving one.

Given the current status of the SB MVP award, Harrison and Ben were the only other options. The best player on the field was Fitzgerald, but I don't know of more than one player (maybe two???) that has won a MVP from the losing side.

[gokou36]

Cards were being penalized the whole game. Some are stupid mistakes but most were flat out stupid by the refs. BOTH passes by Warner were incomplete pass, not fumbles. They overturned one fumble and didn't even look at the 2nd one which was complete bullshit.

The Cardinals had a good run this year. I just hope they can rebound and keep the good players around and fix their 2ndary.

[opportunity777]

Cards were being penalized the whole game. Some are stupid mistakes but most were flat out stupid by the refs. BOTH passes by Warner were incomplete pass, not fumbles. They overturned one fumble and didn't even look at the 2nd one which was complete bullshit.

The Cardinals had a good run this year. I just hope they can rebound and keep the good players around and fix their 2ndary.

As long as people keep tuning in droves, leagues don't care about cleaning up the officiating in games.

Also, basketball and football are the hardest sports to officiate. Honestly, I think there should be an automatic booth review for many types of plays. I don't know the exact rules for college football (because I don't watch it), but supposedly, the replay rules are better.

Btw, I thought the non-reviewed 4th quarter Warner fumble was actually a fumble. I still think it's a fumble. I thought the ball was knocked loose on the pull back, and his arm was in the forward throwing motion without the ball. Even if you disagree with that assessment, he should have thrown the ball away and reset. Sometimes, players put themselves in a position to be at the mercy of the refs.

With that, I need to go to bed. Work sucks. :-P

[integralsmatic]

Big Ben shoulda been the MVP. He engineered a 78 yard drive in the final two minutes to win the game. Holmes was good, but Roethlisberger threw a perfect ball.

and who caught all the passes ben through on that final drive? Holmes. holmes gave ben the opportunity to throw those passes. He was the only WR giving ben open looks the whole game.

A great game and congrats to the Steelers. but this game was either sloppy or just really bad officiating because ive never seen so many penalties called in a SB before. I really do like that kid Dansby though. Guy is going to get paid this off season.

[Inf^Shini]

the player i felt bad for was fitzgerald, his reaction after the last TD made me sad :'(

"no no no no no no..."

[KingBroly]

They didn't call the celebration after the TD either (shaking the football into his hand like a ketchup bottle, which is using the ball as a prop), would've given Arizona 15 yards on the kickoff on their final drive.

Okay then, every time a player spikes the ball, it's a 15 yard penalty. Why? They spiked the ball, a prop.

Not happening I'm afraid.

[winterice]

A

Btw, I thought the non-reviewed 4th quarter Warner fumble was actually a fumble. I still think it's a fumble. I thought the ball was knocked loose on the pull back, and his arm was in the forward throwing motion without the ball.

This. I don't get why people are questioning this. Looked fumble lived and in replay.

[Soodmeg]

They didn't call the celebration after the TD either (shaking the football into his hand like a ketchup bottle, which is using the ball as a prop), would've given Arizona 15 yards on the kickoff on their final drive.

Ketchup bottle? What the hell is wrong with you?

It was chalk, he was shaking the football like a bottle of chalk and then he threw it in the air kinda like this guy...and when I say kinda I mean exactly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SiQKxja79M

I actually thought it was a decent celebration. Ketchup, Ketchup man? Where have we went wrong with you? :-#

[n8rockerasu]

I was pulling for the Cards (really wanted to see Warner cap off a Hall of Fame career), but to me, they played like the younger, inexperienced team tonight. Most of the penalties were legit. The late hit on Ben was really close, and I agree with Madden saying that when Ben is scrambling around, you never know when the play is going to end. It wasn't a blatantly late hit, and it wasn't malicious (unlike Harrison on Francisco...that shit was ghetto).

Other than that, I thought the Cards dug their own grave. The pick at the end of the first half was devastating. I'd say Warner "blew it" there, but really, the Steelers just made the right call and had him fooled. It happens. I will say they should have been able to tackle Harrison before he ran 100 yards though. But clearly, fate wasn't on Arizona's side because even when Fitzgerald caught up with him to make the tackle, he pulled him down ontop of himself...thus allowing the extra couple yards into the endzone.

It really says something about the Cardinals that they were able to mount a comeback after that though. I still can't believe that when they were down 20-7, their defense was able to hold and stop Pittsburgh on some really crucial drives. Then, after they come all the way back, and take a 23-20 lead...the D falls apart (and down) and can't come up with a stop.

I really thought they finally had Ben rattled with all the blitzes and different packages they were sending, but Ben somehow managed to pull it off. The 3rd and long from inside their own 10 was insane. I do think the last play should have been reviewed, just for the sake of continuity and fair play. However, it could only be overturned if there is conclusive evidence showing that the wrong call was made.

And personally, I don't think they would have found enough reason to overturn it. Warner's arm was definitely on the verge of heaving the ball...but at which point the ball popped out is debatable. It probably wouldn't have changed the outcome, but I still think reviewing it would have been the right thing to do. It's not like it would have "spoiled the celebration" because Pittsburgh still had to take a knee anyway.

Ultimately, Arizona definitely COULD have won this game, but they just came up short. It really makes me wonder what Warner's plans are for next year...especially with Leinart STILL waiting in the wings. It could really turn into a Favre/Rodgers situation.

[KingBroly]

Did anyone hear about this?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=350987

[VipFREAK]

lool, wow.

[ratzombie]

Haha... wow.

[Nelo Ice]

Did anyone hear about this?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=350987

lol damn! just made a thread on it after seeing that thread
:lol:

[DJSteel]

what an amazing game.. I knew it would be close..closer than the spread.. I wish I was in the country to place the bet.. I'll watch it all tonight after work...I literally saw the 2nd qtr and the last 5 mins..

[jlarlee]

Figured I'd chime in. Kinda eerie watching Warner lead another comeback that falls short. Even though he lost I think he cemented his chances at the HOF a little. That Steelers defense is rough and he did the best he could with the scraps they gave him. Big Ben had a great game but to me it just washes away the stink from his last Super Bowl. I think he needs one more ring to seriously enter HOF talks.

I thought the roughing the passer call in the third quarter was crap especially considering how long he extends plays that defender would have risked blowing out his knee putting on the brakes so quick. On the flip side the holding call in the end zone was kind of questionable looks like the guy tripped over him as he ran him over.

Holmes was a good pick for MVP he had the majority of the Steelers big plays

As far as this being the most exciting Super Bowl I disagree. It didn't get good until the last quarter and the lead only changed hands twice. In comparison the Patriots and Panthers spent the whole second half swapping the lead in their Super Bowl. I'd put this one in the lower part of the top 5.

Oh and I give it up to Al Michaels who made fun of the idiot secondary player who said his college was swagging, by saying he had no swag when he made a bone headed error. I'm so sick of players doing this.Take some some pride in your school and stop using that space for self promotion.

[DJSteel]

If Montana to Taylor (SF vs Cincy) is up on the list of exciting super bowls. than this one might be better than that...

[n8rockerasu]

Did anyone hear about this?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=350987

Now this is the best Super Bowl of all time! haha :)

[jlarlee]

Now this is the best Super Bowl of all time! haha :)

Super Balling maybe

[RAMSTORIA]

It really makes me wonder what Warner's plans are for next year...especially with Leinart STILL waiting in the wings. It could really turn into a Favre/Rodgers situation.

there was a post game interview with warner and he did not sound like someone who was coming back next year. im sure hell think it over during the off season a lot, but to me it sounded like he was done.

[Javery]

The Super Bowl was great but still nowhere near last year's. I think the Steelers were extremely lucky to win that game. The Cardinals outplayed them for the most part but that interception was a killer. It's at least a 10-point swing right there. I also thought the roughing the passer penalty was BS but everything else was spot on. There were a TON of legitimate holds that had to be called by both teams. There was no question it was a hold on the safety. I actually thought the Steelers would be better off taking the safety intentionally assuming it got to 4th down. A punt from the endzone would have given the Cards way better field position (or it could have been blocked which would have been a disaster) and they would have still needed a TD to win the game safety or not. I guess it didn't matter because the Cards got the TD anyway but still...

[Inf^Shini]

What was weird was that the Cards blew it on the last drive at both ends of the half.

[DJSteel]

The Super Bowl was great but still nowhere near last year's. I think the Steelers were extremely lucky to win that game. The Cardinals outplayed them for the most part but that interception was a killer. It's at least a 10-point swing right there. I also thought the roughing the passer penalty was BS but everything else was spot on. There were a TON of legitimate holds that had to be called by both teams. There was no question it was a hold on the safety. I actually thought the Steelers would be better off taking the safety intentionally assuming it got to 4th down. A punt from the endzone would have given the Cards way better field position (or it could have been blocked which would have been a disaster) and they would have still needed a TD to win the game safety or not. I guess it didn't matter because the Cards got the TD anyway but still...

The Cards did play well but their defense was spotty.. that last Steeler drive.. they looked tired...

It's not like the int that Warner threw was lucky.. Lebeau saw a tendency..Harrison was watching Hightower.. once Hightower rolled out Harrison stayed in coverage instead of blitzing and Warner might have had tunnelvision there. i actually believe that it was a bad playcall. 1st and goal. I think you should run the ball. it is not like that wasn't working.

I don't get your logic though.. deliberately giving the safety.. either way you give them the ball back..forcing them to punt wouldn't have been better.. 9 pts vs 7pts..

The roughing the passer call.. I believe was bs, but they've consistently called it every time this year...

[Javery]

The Cards did play well but their defense was spotty.. that last Steeler drive.. they looked tired...

It's not like the int that Warner threw was lucky.. Lebeau saw a tendency..Harrison was watching Hightower.. once Hightower rolled out Harrison stayed in coverage instead of blitzing and Warner might have had tunnelvision there. i actually believe that it was a bad playcall. 1st and goal. I think you should run the ball. it is not like that wasn't working.

I don't get your logic though.. deliberately giving the safety.. either way you give them the ball back..forcing them to punt wouldn't have been better.. 9 pts vs 7pts..

The roughing the passer call.. I believe was bs, but they've consistently called it every time this year...

The Cards stopped blitzing on that last drive which was crazy. They had stuffed them the last 2 drives by bringing pressure and then they backed off and the 7 yard underneath pass was there for the taking. I don't know what they were thinking. They switched from playing to win to playing not to lose.

The INT was definitely not lucky (although I'd argue the Cards called the stupidest play at that point in time). There wasn't enough time to run the ball and fail but they have Larry Freaking Fitzgerald - throw a jump ball on 1st, 2nd AND 3rd down and then kick a FG if that doesn't work. I guarantee it would have worked. They got too cute. Harrison made a great read which is what great players do. I do find it amazing that he wasn't caught or knocked out of bounds though. He's not the fastest guy and one of the three WRs should have caught up to him way earlier.

The logic on the safety is that the Steelers were on the 1 with a 6 point lead. If they were forced to punt out of their endzone all sorts of bad things could happen (like a blocked punt recovered by Arizona for a TD). A punter typically kicks from 15+ yards behind the line of scrimmage - in that scenario he would have only had 10 yards max meaning the rush would be closer and he'd have to pooch it. Even a great 60 yard kick with no return and the Cards still get the ball at midfield (down by 6 needing a TD). If they just took the safety then yeah they give up 2 points but they get to kick off properly (sort-of) and it pins the Cards back which is exactly what happened after the safety. They started around their own 35 (down by 4 needing a TD). At that point in the game you have to figure that was the last possession of the game - if the Cards score they win and if not they lose. Yards matter more than points in that situation. Of course, no one thought the Cards would score so quickly leaving time for the Steelers to win it. Punting gives the ball to the Cards with 50 yards to go needing a TD to win and a safety gives the ball to the Cards with 65 yards to go needing a TD to win. The safety seems like a better idea.

I agree about the roughing the passer call - it was BS but they have been calling it like that. The rule needs to change.

[DJSteel]

I forgot how much time was left.. IMO if you are going to throw the ball...try the middle of the field.. if it gets intercepted then there is no straight easy path for a td or like you said.. jump balls to back corners of the endzone.. The Cards are sort of in trouble this offseason, they have 40 mil under the cap, but Warner, Boldin, Adrian Wilson, and few other stars are UFAs... They are a good LB and OT away from another SB team if they can get everyone they need signed and have a good draft.

[Inf^Shini]

I forgot how much time was left.. IMO if you are going to throw the ball...try the middle of the field.. if it gets intercepted then there is no straight easy path for a td or like you said.. jump balls to back corners of the endzone.. The Cards are sort of in trouble this offseason, they have 40 mil under the cap, but Warner, Boldin, Adrian Wilson, and few other stars are UFAs... They are a good LB and OT away from another SB team if they can get everyone they need signed and have a good draft.
I hope they band together again and make another run at it next year, and let them have vengeance on their mind. Don't quit yet Warner!

[BrinX]

Did anyone hear about this?
http://n08q1114fvte161.imageshacknow.info/img/1242/v08w1128rhlb/smile.gif
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=350987
Yea seen it, fucking hilarious :D

[jlarlee]

Belichick used Javery's logic on taking a safety once against Denver in the regular season. It led to a win

[DJSteel]

i have no problem with trying that.. but would have that changed the outcome.. not sure they did in fact get a safety...

[primetime]

They didn't call the celebration after the TD either (shaking the football into his hand like a ketchup bottle, which is using the ball as a prop), would've given Arizona 15 yards on the kickoff on their final drive.

You're kidding, right?

[smiggity]

Lotta haters in this thread!

[pimpinc333]

You're kidding, right?

I actually agree with Dafoomie. He used the ball as a prop. Regardless if he was "pretending" to sprinkle Ketchup, Mustard, Powder, or anything into his hand. Should have been a penalty. T.O. or Chad Johnson would have most def got a penalty for it.

[Azumangaman]

Terrific game!
I was hoping the Cardinals would rock it out, but the Steelers deserved that win.
It was no SuperBowl XLII, but it was damn good!

[primetime]

I actually agree with Dafoomie. He used the ball as a prop. Regardless if he was "pretending" to sprinkle Ketchup, Mustard, Powder, or anything into his hand. Should have been a penalty. T.O. or Chad Johnson would have most def got a penalty for it.

I suppose. We just have a fundamental difference of opinion when it comes to officiating. I think it would be ridiculously petty to flag that and possibly change the outcome of the Super Bowl on something so inconsequential.

In this case, I think it was more of the situation that was the reason why the refs didn't call it rather than the player, so I disagree with your last claim.

[DJSteel]

I actually agree with Dafoomie. He used the ball as a prop. Regardless if he was "pretending" to sprinkle Ketchup, Mustard, Powder, or anything into his hand. Should have been a penalty. T.O. or Chad Johnson would have most def got a penalty for it.

It's no different than doing a dance with a football and then spiking it.. the funny thing is that only the haters are complaining about it.. there were other calls that could have somewhat affected the outcome of the game..

[DJSteel]

btw.. the fumble that was overturned was a bad call.. his arm didn't move forward until he got hit... should have been called a fumble...

[RAMSTORIA]

i thought the spirit of the rule was not to use props, ie a sharpie, not using the ball as a prop, which you could argue is done is nearly every td celebration.

[pimpinc333]

Honestly, everyone is going to have a different opinion on what bad calls there were and are. I was just pointing some out. I never stated that if this would of happened then the Cards would have won the game.

Even if he didn't get a penalty for using the ball as a prop. The NFL should crack down on him like they did with everyone this season and give him a 10K fine. It's really only fair since a lot of people in the NFL got that fine this past season.

Rules are Rules. Doesn't matter what game of the season it is.

[Inf^Shini]

At least the Cardinal fans are showing a lot of love, and the team seems focused on going all the way again next season. (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9171466/Fans-greet-Cardinals-after-returning-to-Phoenix)

[jlarlee]

btw.. the fumble that was overturned was a bad call.. his arm didn't move forward until he got hit... should have been called a fumble...

I think those kinds of calls are the hardest. After a ton of replays I still find it hard to see when the ball comes out in relation to the arm moving forward. Plus with every QB having a different throwing motion how do you tell when they start their forward motion. Plus you have the tuck rule in there making it even more crazy.

[BigT]

The Cardinals came out way too conservative. They should have just totally given up on the run much earlier... if they had got to the no huddle for the whole 2nd half, Warner would have passed for 500 yards...

[pimpinc333]

The Cardinals came out way too conservative. They should have just totally given up on the run much earlier... if they had got to the no huddle for the whole 2nd half, Warner would have passed for 500 yards...

Fitz needed the ball more earlier on the game. They failed to really throw it to him. I don't care who is covering Fitz. He will come down with the ball regardless. Best WR in the league today.

[BigT]

This game was not the finest moment for NFL officiating:

1.) At the end, Kurt Warner's elbow was going forward and he was able to propel the ball forward with good velocity... that's a forward pass! If Brady or Manning throw that, it would not have been called a fumble (it was a big play, since the 15 yd penalty on the Steelers would have given the Cardinals a shot from the 29 yard line... With Boldin, Fitzgerald, and Breaston on the field, they would have a reasonable chance to score...)

2.) Santonio Holmes' celebration: I think that the anti-celebration rule is
stupid, but that gets called as a 15 yd penalty all the time... the refs should be consistent.

3.) Running into the holder? Who the hell ever calls that... I've never seen that in 20 years of watching football...

4.) Hightower gets blatantly blocked in the back on the Harrison TD return. Last I checked, that was clipping...

5.) Why was Harrison not thrown out of the game. I thought that throwing a punch should be an automatic DQ


The Cardinals (a finesse team) sets the record for penalty yards in a SB game. The Steelers, a much more hard nosed team only gets flagged for half as many yards.

Remember when the Seahawks got jobbed a few years ago... the NFL really likes the Steelers (I conversely hate the franchise with a passion almost equal to my hatred for the Patriots... Pasadena 1980 and New Orleans 2002 will not be forgotten)

[Inf^Shini]

#3 on that list, how the fuck do you flag that?!? The man clearly lost his balance as well, he was basically falling towards him, that was not intentional whatsoever, it's like the fucking tuck rule but with a placeholder O_O

Fitz needed the ball more earlier on the game. They failed to really throw it to him. I don't care who is covering Fitz. He will come down with the ball regardless. Best WR in the league today.

For real, he's like the second coming of Jerry Rice, whose record of total TD's caught in the postseason was broken by Larry himself.

I was getting pissed at the Cardinals myself because they wasted so much time in the second half, going no huddle would have surely given them a better shot at producing a lead and then some. I was irate when they let the clock run down in the 3rd quarter, you're down 13 points and you're gonna give yourself only one quarter to bounce back?!?

[jlarlee]

Have the Steelers ever lost in the Super Bowl? They were 4-0 in the seventies right?

[pimpinc333]

Have the Steelers ever lost in the Super Bowl? They were 4-0 in the seventies right?

To Dallas in 95 is the one that comes to mind.

The funny thing about that is if you ask Steelers fans ( Around here atleast ) why they lost the game they will say it was rigged and Neil O Donnell was paid off :lol:

[FriskyTanuki]

They lost to the Cowboys in the mid-90s.

[jlarlee]

Oh yeah how did I forget that. Led to that guy who picked him off getting overrated and over paid by another team

[zman73]

To Dallas in 95 is the one that comes to mind.

The funny thing about that is if you ask Steelers fans ( Around here atleast ) why they lost the game they will say it was rigged and Neil O Donnell was paid off :lol:

Gimme a break... Ive personally never said that game was rigged... it was a tough pill to swallow... especially when they had the ball in the 4th down 3 and driving before O'donnell threw the 2nd int that killed any chance of a win... Ive known no steelers fans who thought that way either...

I would think after reading all the anti steelers messages on how THIS game was rigged too, I would have expected more focus on the calls during sports shows... most of them seem to think the game was officiated pretty well... the only play that was questioned repeatedly was the roughing the passer call... and the opinion was it could have gone either way

To inspire such hate... the Steelers have to be doing something right... they didnt inspire such passions as I supported them through the lean 80's... I like they way the organization is run... the Rooneys are a class act and for the distraction of the whole ownership problem that clouded the team this year to not affect them says alot about the club... They dont fly off the handle and fire a coach after one bad year, they dont overpay for over the hill free agents... they dont follow conventional wisdom in personel choices... who would have thought Tomlin was going to get the job, they hired who they thought the best person was for the job... three times in a row they have done this... amazing... Part of the reason I like them more than any other sports team (I WISH my Sixers ran their team this way)

[integralsmatic]

I forgot how much time was left.. IMO if you are going to throw the ball...try the middle of the field.. if it gets intercepted then there is no straight easy path for a td or like you said.. jump balls to back corners of the endzone.. The Cards are sort of in trouble this offseason, they have 40 mil under the cap, but Warner, Boldin, Adrian Wilson, and few other stars are UFAs... They are a good LB and OT away from another SB team if they can get everyone they need signed and have a good draft.

yeah Dont forgert Bertrand Berry and Karlos Dansby are also Unrestricted who are going to require bigger contracts to sign. if they dont get back warner, they wont make another SB until Leinart proves he is the QB they drafted him for. Warner didnt look like he was coming back. Plus Fitzgerald would restructure his huge contract to keep boldin and if they follow his path...maybe few others might restructure. i see some of the defensive UFAs leaving. Dansby and Wilson and Berry will all get paid big bucks from any team...but lets see what happens. 40 million is alot to work with but they may need to backload most of their contracts.

[pimpinc333]

Gimme a break... Ive personally never said that game was rigged... it was a tough pill to swallow... especially when they had the ball in the 4th down 3 and driving before O'donnell threw the 2nd int that killed any chance of a win... Ive known no steelers fans who thought that way either...

I would think after reading all the anti steelers messages on how THIS game was rigged too, I would have expected more focus on the calls during sports shows... most of them seem to think the game was officiated pretty well... the only play that was questioned repeatedly was the roughing the passer call... and the opinion was it could have gone either way

To inspire such hate... the Steelers have to be doing something right... they didnt inspire such passions as I supported them through the lean 80's... I like they way the organization is run... the Rooneys are a class act and for the distraction of the whole ownership problem that clouded the team this year to not affect them says alot about the club... They dont fly off the handle and fire a coach after one bad year, they dont overpay for over the hill free agents... they dont follow conventional wisdom in personel choices... who would have thought Tomlin was going to get the job, they hired who they thought the best person was for the job... three times in a row they have done this... amazing... Part of the reason I like them more than any other sports team (I WISH my Sixers ran their team this way)

I meant around here as in where I live, not CAG, just to clear things up.

[DJSteel]

This game was not the finest moment for NFL officiating:

1.) At the end, Kurt Warner's elbow was going forward and he was able to propel the ball forward with good velocity... that's a forward pass! If Brady or Manning throw that, it would not have been called a fumble (it was a big play, since the 15 yd penalty on the Steelers would have given the Cardinals a shot from the 29 yard line... With Boldin, Fitzgerald, and Breaston on the field, they would have a reasonable chance to score...)

2.) Santonio Holmes' celebration: I think that the anti-celebration rule is
stupid, but that gets called as a 15 yd penalty all the time... the refs should be consistent.

3.) Running into the holder? Who the hell ever calls that... I've never seen that in 20 years of watching football...

4.) Hightower gets blatantly blocked in the back on the Harrison TD return. Last I checked, that was clipping...

5.) Why was Harrison not thrown out of the game. I thought that throwing a punch should be an automatic DQ


The Cardinals (a finesse team) sets the record for penalty yards in a SB game. The Steelers, a much more hard nosed team only gets flagged for half as many yards.

Remember when the Seahawks got jobbed a few years ago... the NFL really likes the Steelers (I conversely hate the franchise with a passion almost equal to my hatred for the Patriots... Pasadena 1980 and New Orleans 2002 will not be forgotten)

#1 - The Ball was out of his hand before his arm move forward. The reason the ball moved forward was because his arm hit the ball.. It was a good call.

#2 - TO didn't get penalized for using the football as a prop for the spygate td celebration. At least I think not. Seems nitpicky to me considering.

#3 - The holder is the extension of the kicker. The holder can't block and is just as vulnerable as the kicker. I haven't seen it either but I haven't seen some one run into a placeholder.

#4 - How about Larry Fitzgerald engaging in the tackle from out of bounds. He jumped on Harrison from the out of bounds. That is also a penalty, I believe.

#5 - I don't know the rule. I don't know if he didn't hit him a certain way that wasn't considered a punch.

Seriously the Cards didn't get jobbed, neither did the Seahawks.. I wish people would quit saying stupid shit like that.. you don't throw that int to Harrison, you would have won.. did the Pats get jobbed last year? I heard a lot of bitching last year too. There will always be calls we all don't agree with. While you see calls going against the Cards, I see calls going against the Steelers. In the end it came down to the int.

[zman73]

#1 - The Ball was out of his hand before his arm move forward. The reason the ball moved forward was because his arm hit the ball.. It was a good call.

#2 - TO didn't get penalized for using the football as a prop for the spygate td celebration. At least I think not. Seems nitpicky to me considering.

#3 - The holder is the extension of the kicker. The holder can't block and is just as vulnerable as the kicker. I haven't seen it either but I haven't seen some one run into a placeholder.

#4 - How about Larry Fitzgerald engaging in the tackle from out of bounds. He jumped on Harrison from the out of bounds. That is also a penalty, I believe.

#5 - I don't know the rule. I don't know if he didn't hit him a certain way that wasn't considered a punch.

Seriously the Cards didn't get jobbed, neither did the Seahawks.. I wish people would quit saying stupid shit like that.. you don't throw that int to Harrison, you would have won.. did the Pats get jobbed last year? I heard a lot of bitching last year too. There will always be calls we all don't agree with. While you see calls going against the Cards, I see calls going against the Steelers. In the end it came down to the int.

The INT was a big play... but who knows how the game would have turned out otherwise... the Steelers wouldnt have been as cautious I believe on offense if playing from behind in the second half... maybe the Cards would have rode that momentum to an easy victory... maybe that drive in the Steelers thats got them to comeback from so many deficits this year would have pushed them to a victory in the biggest game of the year... nobody knows... 14 point possible swing is huge though

Ive heard none of the whining on any of the sports call in shows or on tv about some of the "controversial" calls, non calls, plays etc... If you could tell any cards fan that they would be up by 4 with two munites remaining... they ALL would have taken that... Steelers with that drive showed they deserved to win that game PLAIN and simple... Roethlisberger's play on that drive is incredible... they began that drive backed up WAYYYYY on the other side of the field after a holding penalty on them on a first down... He nearly gets sacked at around the two yard line and makes a hell of a play to gain back a chunk of yards. Throw oafter throw... If he had been put in this situation a few years back, I doubt he would have been able to do it, it shows the maturity he has reached as a QB in the NFL.

DJSteel... thank u for setting the record straight on those five points... if the cards had won, we would see none of the whining from their fans about any of this. The holder BTW was kneeling on the ground in a vulnerable position, there was no reason for him to be leveled like that. The Steelers were penalized plenty of times, they just didnt shoot themselves in the foot the way the cards did with dumb penalties at crucial times. I think if ANYTHING changed the momentum in the game, at that moment... it was the Cards D holding the Steelers O out of the end zone... kept them within two TD's and extra points of taking the lead... Steelers score a TD there... it gets alot tougher for them... ALOT of what ifs... the game played out like it played out

[pimpinc333]

#1 - The Ball was out of his hand before his arm move forward. The reason the ball moved forward was because his arm hit the ball.. It was a good call.

#2 - TO didn't get penalized for using the football as a prop for the spygate td celebration. At least I think not. Seems nitpicky to me considering.

#3 - The holder is the extension of the kicker. The holder can't block and is just as vulnerable as the kicker. I haven't seen it either but I haven't seen some one run into a placeholder.

#4 - How about Larry Fitzgerald engaging in the tackle from out of bounds. He jumped on Harrison from the out of bounds. That is also a penalty, I believe.

#5 - I don't know the rule. I don't know if he didn't hit him a certain way that wasn't considered a punch.

Seriously the Cards didn't get jobbed, neither did the Seahawks.. I wish people would quit saying stupid shit like that.. you don't throw that int to Harrison, you would have won.. did the Pats get jobbed last year? I heard a lot of bitching last year too. There will always be calls we all don't agree with. While you see calls going against the Cards, I see calls going against the Steelers. In the end it came down to the int.

Thinking that the INT would have been a game saver for the Cards is just stupid. Who knows how the Steelers would have responded by being down 14-10 at Halftime. They could have came out and scored 21 points in the 3rd and 21 points in the 4th. No one knows how the game would have played out if something during the game was altered in any way.

[farfus]

Cowboys are already being picked by Vegas to be the NFC rep in next years super bowl, this time against the Pats (who are predicted to win). Now what is the odds of this game actually happening :p........

[DJSteel]

Thinking that the INT would have been a game saver for the Cards is just stupid. Who knows how the Steelers would have responded by being down 14-10 at Halftime. They could have came out and scored 21 points in the 3rd and 21 points in the 4th. No one knows how the game would have played out if something during the game was altered in any way.

it's not stupid.. it was the difference in the game that was played..

[RAMSTORIA]

Cowboys are already being picked by Vegas to be the NFC rep in next years super bowl, this time against the Pats (who are predicted to win). Now what is the odds of this game actually happening :p........

id say pretty good. i mean if i was going to pick two teams right now for next year, it would probably be the pats and cowboys.

[pimpinc333]

it's not stupid.. it was the difference in the game that was played..

Yes it's stupid. You can't say that affected the whole outcome of the game IE saying the cards would have won if they didn't throw that INT for a TD Return. Makes no sense because that would have changed the whole game completely. Nothing in the 2nd half prolly would have happened if the Cards don't throw the INT and get a score themselves instead.

So stating that the INT was the Cards downfall makes no sense.

[DJSteel]

you obviously don't get what I'm saying.. when people look back at that Super Bowl and wonder why the Cards lost.. it was because of that int.. not bad calls.. not stupid penalties.. It was the difference in the game.. at least a 10 pt swing in 5 seconds.

[pimpinc333]

you obviously don't get what I'm saying.. when people look back at that Super Bowl and wonder why the Cards lost.. it was because of that int.. not bad calls.. not stupid penalties.. It was the difference in the game.. at least a 10 pt swing in 5 seconds.

No. You can't pin their lose on one play that happened before Halftime. Now if you said they lost because their defense sucked at the end and the Steelers scored with only 43 seconds left then yes thats viable. Because thats how they did lose.

Like I said. You can't pin that play as the reason the Cards lost. There was just too much time left to do so. Shit even if the Cards got a TD there they still could have lost the game. Even though the whole 2nd half would have been different.

[DJSteel]

whatever.. I will say this... I never could get Bruce Springsteen.. never understood the fanfare...that was the most boring halftime show..

[Inf^Shini]

whatever.. I will say this... I never could get Bruce Springsteen.. never understood the fanfare...that was the most boring halftime show..
Same here, I went outside to throw the football when the introduction started >.>

I agree about the INT making a difference. Had they scored, they would have come out swinging in the second half because then they get the ball again to start the 3rd quarter. Instead, they did not produce any points in the 3rd, instead they took the liberty of killing the clock.

The Cards throughout the season have done nothing but put up a mass of points on the board, and whenever they got something going, they hardly ever stopped producing, and that INT at the end of the half killed all the momentum they had and basically had to start all over again, which is when they came back in the 4th quarter after they got the wheels going again.

[pimpinc333]

Same here, I went outside to throw the football when the introduction started >.>

I agree about the INT making a difference. Had they scored, they would have come out swinging in the second half because then they get the ball again to start the 3rd quarter. Instead, they did not produce any points in the 3rd, instead they took the liberty of killing the clock.

The Cards throughout the season have done nothing but put up a mass of points on the board, and whenever they got something going, they hardly ever stopped producing, and that INT at the end of the half killed all the momentum they had and basically had to start all over again, which is when they came back in the 4th quarter after they got the wheels going again.

It could have worked out that way. Or it could have been the last time they scored the whole game. Who knows how the Steelers would have reacted to 4 point deficit. I honestly think they would of come out of Halftime playing 300% better and more pumped up. Who knows if one the first play after Halftime, Warner drops back and gets nailed by Harrison and dies.

Like I've been saying. You can't really guess how one team or the other will react to a game changing event. Can't guess it. 100's of things could have changed.

[Inf^Shini]

It could have worked out that way. Or it could have been the last time they scored the whole game. Who knows how the Steelers would have reacted to 4 point deficit. I honestly think they would of come out of Halftime playing 300% better and more pumped up. Who knows if one the first play after Halftime, Warner drops back and gets nailed by Harrison and dies.

Like I've been saying. You can't really guess how one team or the other will react to a game changing event. Can't guess it. 100's of things could have changed.
Obviously you can't say for sure, but you can base a hypothesis on the conclusion of previous and similar situations paired with the way a team has been operating the whole season.

Give your opinion to a Lions fan, see what they say :lol:

[pimpinc333]

Obviously you can't say for sure, but you can base a hypothesis on the conclusion of previous and similar situations paired with the way a team has been operating the whole season.

Give your opinion to a Lions fan, see what they say :lol:

Sure but I don't think the Cards played a Defense like the Steelers.

[zman73]

Amazing... the love for the Cowboys... already picked to represent the NFC... for a team whose QB hasnt even won a playoff game yet... lets just say there are other teams I would pick before them...

Id say its more of a tossup between the Steelers and Pats... I would love to see the Pats lose out again in heartbreaking fashion, that Belichick is one of the sorest losers the ever coach in the NFL

[pimpinc333]

Amazing... the love for the Cowboys... already picked to represent the NFC... for a team whose QB hasnt even won a playoff game yet... lets just say there are other teams I would pick before them...

Id say its more of a tossup between the Steelers and Pats... I would love to see the Pats lose out again in heartbreaking fashion, that Belichick is one of the sorest losers the ever coach in the NFL

to ever coach in the nfl...

But I agree. I wouldn't pick the Cowboys to win the NFC. This will be a big season for Romo though. I think he really needs to step up and play great. I already started to dislike him this season for sucking it up.

Hopefully Dallas can do something with WR Roy Williams. Hopefully he not another trade bust like Joey Galloway was with us.

[dafoomie]

that Belichick is one of the sorest losers the ever coach in the NFL
How has he acted in anything but a professional manner? He wouldn't shake Mangini's hand. Mangini was tampering with his coaching staff while still an employee of the Patriots. Tell me which one is more unprofessional?

[pimpinc333]

How has he acted in anything but a professional manner? He wouldn't shake Mangini's hand. Mangini was tampering with his coaching staff while still an employee of the Patriots. Tell me which one is more unprofessional?

He's a sore loser because he Coaches the Patriots. The most hated team in the NFL. Why do people hate the Patriots? Because they are a great team and people hate them for that...

I honestly don't know why people have such hatred towards the Pats, Tom Brady, or the Coach.

[zman73]

Ive seen him on more thsn one occasion (most notably after the Super Bowl last year and losing the the colts the year before in the AFC title game) refuse to shake hands with coaches etc after they lost

BTW... Im not a Patriots fan... but I dont hate them (unlike most of the comments Ive seen directed about the Steelers, I respect them for what theyve done)... and if you think my comment is totally pointed at the patriots... click the link...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Bill-Belichick-has-been-a-sore-loser-for-a-long-?urn=nfl,92329

Trust me... I defended this guy for years AFTER the Browns let him go... He was basically let go after a subpar year with Cleveland... one marred by the cloud of Cleveland moving to Baltimore over it... it would have been difficult for ANYONE to get a team to focus under such conditions. Allegations over the years aside, he is still one hell of a coach... but a sore loser...

[BigT]

#1 - The Ball was out of his hand before his arm move forward. The reason the ball moved forward was because his arm hit the ball.. It was a good call.
Please read the NFL Rule Book in Rule 3 Section 21 which defines a pass:
"A Pass is the movement of the ball caused by handing, throwing, shoving
(shovel pass), or pushing (push pass) by a runner (3-27-1). Such a movement is a pass, even though the ball does not leave his hand or hands, provided a teammate takes it (hand-to-hand pass)."
Cearly, Warner's act was a pass.

Furthermore, a forward pass is defined as follows:
"(a) the ball initially moves forward (to a point nearer the opponent’s goal line) after leaving the passer’s hands; or
(b) the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official, or anything else at a point that is nearer the opponent’s goal line than the point at which the ball leaves the passer’s
hand; or
(c) the ball is handed (regardless of the direction of the movement of the ball) to a player who is in advance of a teammate from whose hands he takes or receives it."
Warner's pass satisfied both a and b.

"Note 1: When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional movement forward of his hand starts a forward pass. If a Team B player contacts the passer or the ball after forward movement begins, and the ball leaves the passer’s hand, a forward pass is ruled, regardless of where the ball strikes the ground or a player."

All that has to happen for a forward pass is for the arm to begin to come forward... bad call.

#2 - TO didn't get penalized for using the football as a prop for the spygate td celebration. At least I think not. Seems nitpicky to me considering.
I'm not a fan of the rule, but the rule states that the following is unsportsmanlike conduct during a celebration:
"(f) Possession or use of foreign or extraneous object(s) that are not part of the uniform during the game on the field or the sideline, or using the ball as a prop."
There is no room for a judgment call...

#3 - The holder is the extension of the kicker. The holder can't block and is just as vulnerable as the kicker. I haven't seen it either but I haven't seen some one run into a placeholder.
The rule is on the books, and can be called, but "Severity of contact and potential for injury are to be considered." The play did not seem like it warrented 15 yds.

#4 - How about Larry Fitzgerald engaging in the tackle from out of bounds. He jumped on Harrison from the out of bounds. That is also a penalty, I believe.
I am not aware of that rule. I know that purposely staying out of bounds is a penalty plus on offense, you lose eligibility if you go out of bounds on your own accord and the same goes for punts/kickoffs, but on defense, you can be out of bounds if you are pushed out.

#5 - I don't know the rule. I don't know if he didn't hit him a certain way that wasn't considered a punch.

http://www.pronewsblog.com/sports/james-harrison-punching-aaron-francisco/
Unsportsmanlike conduct:
"(a) Throwing a punch, or a forearm, or kicking at an opponent even though no contact is made."
If flagrant, the player is to be disqualified.

[pimpinc333]

Please read the NFL Rule Book in Rule 3 Section 21 which defines a pass:
"A Pass is the movement of the ball caused by handing, throwing, shoving
(shovel pass), or pushing (push pass) by a runner (3-27-1). Such a movement is a pass, even though the ball does not leave his hand or hands, provided a teammate takes it (hand-to-hand pass)."
Cearly, Warner's act was a pass.

Furthermore, a forward pass is defined as follows:
"(a) the ball initially moves forward (to a point nearer the opponent’s goal line) after leaving the passer’s hands; or
(b) the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official, or anything else at a point that is nearer the opponent’s goal line than the point at which the ball leaves the passer’s
hand; or
(c) the ball is handed (regardless of the direction of the movement of the ball) to a player who is in advance of a teammate from whose hands he takes or receives it."
Warner's pass satisfied both a and b.

"Note 1: When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional movement forward of his hand starts a forward pass. If a Team B player contacts the passer or the ball after forward movement begins, and the ball leaves the passer’s hand, a forward pass is ruled, regardless of where the ball strikes the ground or a player."

All that has to happen for a forward pass is for the arm to begin to come forward... bad call.


I'm not a fan of the rule, but the rule states that the following is unsportsmanlike conduct during a celebration:
"(f) Possession or use of foreign or extraneous object(s) that are not part of the uniform during the game on the field or the sideline, or using the ball as a prop."
There is no room for a judgment call...


The rule is on the books, and can be called, but "Severity of contact and potential for injury are to be considered." The play did not seem like it warrented 15 yds.


I am not aware of that rule. I know that purposely staying out of bounds is a penalty plus on offense, you lose eligibility if you go out of bounds on your own accord and the same goes for punts/kickoffs, but on defense, you can be out of bounds if you are pushed out.


http://www.pronewsblog.com/sports/james-harrison-punching-aaron-francisco/
Unsportsmanlike conduct:
"(a) Throwing a punch, or a forearm, or kicking at an opponent even though no contact is made."
If flagrant, the player is to be disqualified.

:applause: Very Nice :applause:

Watching the video of what Harrison did is down right nasty. Dirtiest player in the NFL? O Fo Sho!

[CaseyRyback]

He's a sore loser because he Coaches the Patriots. The most hated team in the NFL. Why do people hate the Patriots? Because they are a great team and people hate them for that...

I honestly don't know why people have such hatred towards the Pats, Tom Brady, or the Coach.

The Cowboys have much bigger problems than Romo.

They need depth in the secondary in case they get worked over with injuries like they did this season. They also need a defensive leader. Jerry needs to open his pocket book and woo Ray Lewis. Even if he isn't as good as he was, this team needs a leader and he can be the guy that they need. They also need to make sure their corner play is up to par. Newman staying healthy will play a large part in that.

They need their line to gel better so that they can provide better protection. Adams being hurt was probably a big cause for the downgrade, but they still need to make sure this unit doesn't slip.

If they get these two areas fixed up I think everything else will work itself out. Williams will be just fine after him and Romo get their timing down. The trade came right when the injury happened and it is hard to get timing together that quick. An offseason should fix their problems there.

Vegas put the Cowboys as the NFC rep because they probably still are the best team in the NFC if not the league. Any other team that had as many injuries as they did would be lucky to finish 9-7 in their division.

[pimpinc333]

The Cowboys have much bigger problems than Romo.

They need depth in the secondary in case they get worked over with injuries like they did this season. They also need a defensive leader. Jerry needs to open his pocket book and woo Ray Lewis. Even if he isn't as good as he was, this team needs a leader and he can be the guy that they need. They also need to make sure their corner play is up to par. Newman staying healthy will play a large part in that.

They need their line to gel better so that they can provide better protection. Adams being hurt was probably a big cause for the downgrade, but they still need to make sure this unit doesn't slip.

If they get these two areas fixed up I think everything else will work itself out. Williams will be just fine after him and Romo get their timing down. The trade came right when the injury happened and it is hard to get timing together that quick. An offseason should fix their problems there.

Vegas put the Cowboys as the NFC rep because they probably still are the best team in the NFC if not the league. Any other team that had as many injuries as they did would be lucky to finish 9-7 in their division.

I see a lot of potential in Mike Jenkins at CB this year. Moving Henry to Safety would also be a great idea ( Not too sure what Dallas Plans to do with SS Roy Williams ATM, I like him. I think they should keep him )

Getting a guy like Ray Lewis would be awesome. If we did it most likely would eliminate the chance of resigning Zach Thomas to another 1 year deal. Dallas is really deep at LB but we do need that Defensive leader and I think Ray Lewis is still a great player.

I hope Williams workouts out. I do think Dallas needs a little speedster deep threat. Percy Harvin would be awesome if he slips into the second round but I doubt it.

Offensive line was an issue. Adams played bad when we had that one Shitty Left Guard in. When Kyle Kosier was healthy our line was pretty solid. Same when that other guys lasted a couple of games Montrae Holland. I think that shitty dude was Cory Procter. He really took out O Line down a couple of pegs. Just terrible.

[BigT]

Dude the Cowboys lost badly to my beloved Rams last year... :D they are a complete mess and neither Tony Romo or their team has won a playoff game in recent memory...

Plus as Al Bundy said: "Leave me alone, Peg. The Bears are playing the Rams... and if you lose to the Rams, you get kicked out of the league." ;)

[dafoomie]

Ive seen him on more thsn one occasion (most notably after the Super Bowl last year and losing the the colts the year before in the AFC title game) refuse to shake hands with coaches etc after they lost
Belichick and Dungy do not like each other, Dungy has gone out of his way to rip Belichick in the press. I consider Dungy a world class douchebag.

Belichick shook Tom Coughlin's hand with :01 left on the clock before the final play was run. I don't know what the problem is there.

No other coach has his postgame actions so closely scrutinized. I don't think anything he's done is outside of the norm for NFL coaches, and contrary to what the media may say, I think more coaches respect him than not.

Most NFL head coaches have personality issues, it comes with the territory. Belichick is a smug prick when he wants to be and he doesn't give a fuck who knows it or what anyone thinks. Others pay more attention to their image and perception in the media, but are horrible human beings.

[DJSteel]

Please read the NFL Rule Book in Rule 3 Section 21 which defines a pass:
"A Pass is the movement of the ball caused by handing, throwing, shoving
(shovel pass), or pushing (push pass) by a runner (3-27-1). Such a movement is a pass, even though the ball does not leave his hand or hands, provided a teammate takes it (hand-to-hand pass)."
Cearly, Warner's act was a pass.

Furthermore, a forward pass is defined as follows:
"(a) the ball initially moves forward (to a point nearer the opponent’s goal line) after leaving the passer’s hands; or
(b) the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official, or anything else at a point that is nearer the opponent’s goal line than the point at which the ball leaves the passer’s
hand; or
(c) the ball is handed (regardless of the direction of the movement of the ball) to a player who is in advance of a teammate from whose hands he takes or receives it."

"Note 1: When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional movement forward of his hand starts a forward pass. If a Team B player contacts the passer or the ball after forward movement begins, and the ball leaves the passer’s hand, a forward pass is ruled, regardless of where the ball strikes the ground or a player."

All that has to happen for a forward pass is for the arm to begin to come forward... bad call.

yeah einstein that is the rule, but the ball was out of Warner's hand before his arm went forward and the motion of his arm batted it forward. If that is considered a pass then anytime a qb throws a pass and the ball gets batted back to them and they smack it down, it should be flagged for a double pass..


I'm not a fan of the rule, but the rule states that the following is unsportsmanlike conduct during a celebration:
"(f) Possession or use of foreign or extraneous object(s) that are not part of the uniform during the game on the field or the sideline, or using the ball as a prop."
There is no room for a judgment call...Ok, well they didn't consistently call it during the season. So I'm not sure you should expect them to call that.


The rule is on the books, and can be called, but "Severity of contact and potential for injury are to be considered." The play did not seem like it warrented 15 yds.They've changed that. There is no incidental contact call anymore. If there was that would have only been a 5yd penalty. Same with facemasks.


I am not aware of that rule. I know that purposely staying out of bounds is a penalty plus on offense, you lose eligibility if you go out of bounds on your own accord and the same goes for punts/kickoffs, but on defense, you can be out of bounds if you are pushed out. He was allowed to run out of bounds, but he engaged in a tackle from out of bounds.. that is illegal. I forget what the call is.


http://www.pronewsblog.com/sports/james-harrison-punching-aaron-francisco/
Unsportsmanlike conduct:
"(a) Throwing a punch, or a forearm, or kicking at an opponent even though no contact is made."
If flagrant, the player is to be disqualified.
He didn't hit the guy with a closed fist. It's definitely a judgement call and I've see worse during punt returns and they just give them the 15 yds..

[DJSteel]

Belichick and Dungy do not like each other, Dungy has gone out of his way to rip Belichick in the press. I consider Dungy a world class douchebag.

Belichick shook Tom Coughlin's hand with :01 left on the clock before the final play was run. I don't know what the problem is there.

No other coach has his postgame actions so closely scrutinized. I don't think anything he's done is outside of the norm for NFL coaches, and contrary to what the media may say, I think more coaches respect him than not.

Most NFL head coaches have personality issues, it comes with the territory. Belichick is a smug prick when he wants to be and he doesn't give a fuck who knows it or what anyone thinks. Others pay more attention to their image and perception in the media, but are horrible human beings.


I don't hate the Pats.. I hate Belicheck just because he coached the Browns back in the day and because no matter what is going to happen from now till he retires he either cheated or allowed his coaching staff to cheat. Either way he has proven that he can care less about his rep if he just wins..

[Matt Young]

I LOL'ed at the ESPN headline, "Brooks, Dunn done in Tampa Bay".

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005B1ED.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[DomLando]

So Haynesworth gets a $100 million dollar contract. Wow. D line men prices are about to go up. $40 million guaranteed. The Redskins are ridiculous. Haynesworth is a beast, but he is hurt often and runs out of gas by the 4th quarter.

They better hope Albert actually plays now and doesn't decide to take it easy.

[pitfallharry219]

Haynesworth is a beast, but he is hurt often and runs out of gas by the 4th quarter.

Not to mention his questionable character.

Also, apparently Minnesota thinks Sage Rosenfels is going to be the answer to their QB prayers. I don't see that happening.

[DomLando]

Not to mention his questionable character.

Also, apparently Minnesota thinks Sage Rosenfels is going to be the answer to their QB prayers. I don't see that happening.

He's a better option than what they have. He can actually throw the ball.

[pitfallharry219]

I think Jeff Garcia would have been a better option.

[Inf^Shini]

So what the hell is Gruden doing now?

[DomLando]

I think Jeff Garcia would have been a better option.

Well Rosenfels is only 30, Garcia is now 39. Garcia has 1 maybe 2 more years left in him. The way Garcia plays the game as well and at his age, he is most likely going to get injured at one point or another. He hasn't played a full season since 2002. Yeah I know he was a back up in a few places he went too, but at 39 it would be tough to do. Rosenfels has shown potential over the past couple seasons. The running game of Peterson should help. They just need him to get his turnovers down.

[DJSteel]

So what the hell is Gruden doing now?

NFL Network...

[pimpinc333]

So Haynesworth gets a $100 million dollar contract. Wow. D line men prices are about to go up. $40 million guaranteed. The Redskins are ridiculous. Haynesworth is a beast, but he is hurt often and runs out of gas by the 4th quarter.

They better hope Albert actually plays now and doesn't decide to take it easy.

I love how the Redskins toss around a ton of money every single year and add a ton of dynamic players each year but they don't get any better.

[v1et r1ce]

I like the Eagles getting Stacy Andrews. I don't know why they won't get Housh. Unless they are sure they can trade for a better receiver (Boldin, maybe Edwards), they seem to be risking it all by waiting. I agree that Housh isn't really a #1 option, but there's not much choice.

[pimpinc333]

I like the Eagles getting Stacy Andrews. I don't know why they won't get Housh. Unless they are sure they can trade for a better receiver (Boldin, maybe Edwards), they seem to be risking it all by waiting. I agree that Housh isn't really a #1 option, but there's not much choice.

They already said they will not pick up a WR in Free Agency. They could trade for one but it seems like they don't want to spend money on a WR because it's not that important...

[SoulReaver]

WTF are the Eagles doing? Dawkins leaving? No Housh?


Where are the playmakers promised to us with the $50 million cap they had

[integralsmatic]

I love how the Redskins toss around a ton of money every single year and add a ton of dynamic players each year but they don't get any better.

yep and dont forget Hall got paid up at 56 million. he has to be the luckiest son of a bitch of the century. he first gets a huge contract from Oakland and gets cut but still gets paid and then signs a one year deal with the skins and gets paid....and than gets paid nearly the same amount he made from Oakland. No economic downturn for Mr.Snyder huh.

Well the Bills got rid of both Royal and Dockery which now leads to a gaping whole at RT. Royal i can care less about. But i guess that means Peters is going to get paid up.

[HydroX]

Not sure I agree with Brooks being released by Tampa - and trading for Winslow? He's a f'n soulja, but can he stay healthy and produce results?

[pimpinc333]

yep and dont forget Hall got paid up at 56 million. he has to be the luckiest son of a bitch of the century. he first gets a huge contract from Oakland and gets cut but still gets paid and then signs a one year deal with the skins and gets paid....and than gets paid nearly the same amount he made from Oakland. No economic downturn for Mr.Snyder huh.

Well the Bills got rid of both Royal and Dockery which now leads to a gaping whole at RT. Royal i can care less about. But i guess that means Peters is going to get paid up.

Yep. Hall made like 20 Mil Guaranteed from Oakland last year and now another 20 mil Guaranteed from the Skins.

[v1et r1ce]

WTF are the Eagles doing? Dawkins leaving? No Housh?


Where are the playmakers promised to us with the $50 million cap they had
AND they traded Shepperd for.....a 5th rounder and a conditional next year. Seems like we're just creating more holes and getting worse.

[Javery]

Dawkins is 100 years old and he is at least 4 years beyond the Eagles plans. They cut everyone at 30 with very few exceptions.

[pimpinc333]

Dawkins is 100 years old and he is at least 4 years beyond the Eagles plans. They cut everyone at 30 with very few exceptions.

Dawkins was one of the best Defensive players in the league last year. He was the reason the Eagles made it that far into the playoffs. You can't replace Veteran Leadership.

[Synergy]

And Cassel to the Chiefs. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3942130) Who didn't see that one coming?

I wonder what we got, I hate it when only half of a trade is broken in the news.

Also haven't heard about what we snagged for Vrabel. Looks like we'll have a stockpile of picks for the draft.

[homeland]

And Cassel to the Chiefs. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3942130) Who didn't see that one coming?

I wonder what we got, I hate it when only half of a trade is broken in the news.

Also haven't heard about what we snagged for Vrabel. Looks like we'll have a stockpile of picks for the draft.

I read a 2nd round draft pick (34th overall).. not sure if its right though. Even still more draft picks and loosing 14 million in salary.. the Pats are looking good.

[Illini Jeeper]

What the hell is TJ doing talking to the Vikings? Getting someone like him next to Berrian would be good, as well as having that dangerous AP & Taylor backfield. But it all falls apart at Rosenfels.

Also, I realize they said they won't do much, but please, Chicago, do something!

[integralsmatic]

Dawkins flew the coop and now he is a Bronco.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3942161

Excuse the lame pun but the broncos are fast and furious with the pick ups they acquired.

[Chitown021]

What the hell is TJ doing talking to the Vikings? Getting someone like him next to Berrian would be good, as well as having that dangerous AP & Taylor backfield. But it all falls apart at Rosenfels.

Also, I realize they said they won't do much, but please, Chicago, do something!


Yeah I'd like to see Chicago do something but it ain't gonna happen. It will be interesting to see if Cassel continues to kick ass or if he becomes the next Scott Mitchell getting phat cash for one good season then crapping out. It's going to be a rough first year in KC as the only real target he'll have to throw to is Tony Gonzales.

[Illini Jeeper]

Yeah I'd like to see Chicago do something but it ain't gonna happen. It will be interesting to see if Cassel continues to kick ass or if he becomes the next Scott Mitchell getting phat cash for one good season then crapping out. It's going to be a rough first year in KC as the only real target he'll have to throw to is Tony Gonzales.

I've been hoping for something reasonable like a RT (to replace Tait) or veteran running back to help take the strain off Forte. Or a wide receiver. Can we trade McKaskey and Co. to Washington and take Dan Snyder? At least he's willing to spend something.

I don't get it. We're projected at 23 mil under cap, yet everything I've read makes it sound like Chicago has zero room to move. Any ideas other than the general cheapness of the family?

[CL-Insanity]

Yeah I'd like to see Chicago do something but it ain't gonna happen. It will be interesting to see if Cassel continues to kick ass or if he becomes the next Scott Mitchell getting phat cash for one good season then crapping out. It's going to be a rough first year in KC as the only real target he'll have to throw to is Tony Gonzales.

Don't sleep on Dwayne Bowe!! He was ranked 14th in fantasy leagues, and that was with Thigpen at quarterback and the previously mentioned TG stealing catches. Also, Franklin might be a good #2. The one catch is if the Chiefs are going to fix that porous o-line that would make this whole conversation moot if they don't.

[Chitown021]

I've been wishing someone would buy the franchise from the McKaskey's for years. They are horrible owners. If we're going to go with Orton at QB we've got to get him some help, upgrade the O-line, a legit #1 wideout, something! Our D is getting old and has turned very mediocre now so the offense is going to have to crank it up.

[Chitown021]

Don't sleep on Dwayne Bowe!! He was ranked 14th in fantasy leagues, and that was with Thigpen at quarterback and the previously mentioned TG stealing catches. Also, Franklin might be a good #2. The one catch is if the Chiefs are going to fix that porous o-line that would make this whole conversation moot if they don't.

Bowe has potential if he grows up a little and gets his head out of his ass. Yeah if the KC O-line doesn't improve Cassel isn't going to live long enough to spend any of the phat cash he's about to get.

[Illini Jeeper]

I've been wishing someone would buy the franchise from the McKaskey's for years. They are horrible owners. If we're going to go with Orton at QB we've got to get him some help, upgrade the O-line, a legit #1 wideout, something! Our D is getting old and has turned very mediocre now so the offense is going to have to crank it up.

When I get a chance to make my own $50 billion ponzi scheme, this team is the first thing I'm buying.:lol:

[Chitown021]

When I get a chance to make my own $50 billion ponzi scheme, this team is the first thing I'm buying.:lol:

LOL, sounds good to me. The Cubs have sucked for years but at least they're willing to open up the wallet and spend some cash to try and improve.

[FriskyTanuki]

Cassel will be solid in KC, but won't duplicate his success in NE since he doesn't have near the amount of talent he had there in KC.

The Winslow trade to BC was just stupid since Quinn will need Edwards and Winslow to help him out, especially Winslow since a great TE is a young quarterback's best friend.

Brian Dawkins will help out the Denver secondary, and the defense as a whole, greatly since they didn't have a good safety to help the corners like the role John Lynch played for them. Releasing Dre Bly doesn't help their secondary though. They also made a move on their RB situation by picking up Buckhalter and JJ Arrington, but I'm not sure either are great solutions since I'd say the draft has some good options there.

[Soodmeg]

I am bummed we lost Albert but we can probably get someone in there than can at least pretend to make up the difference so I am not that worried. I am also happy that we resigned Kerry Kollin but we are going to need to invest in something long term. What are we going to do with Vince Young? I would rather see him traded as a young project or something why his stock is still decently high.

Come Titans we need 1 or 2 big FA moves.

This FA is crazy this year. I think the Eagles are really shooting themselves in the foot by letting Dawkins go while not having a guy who can step in and take over. It would be different if someone was learning under Dawkins this entire time but there wasnt.....so you basically just lose a pro bowler for nothing.

On to my 2nd team. I am decently happy with what we got for Cassell but I think we should have gotten a little more. Should have gone with a really QB desperate team like the Lions and raped them of their high draft picks or something. 34th overall is decent but could be better.

Now on to the team I grew up on. What the fuck Lions? DO SOMETHING! Every year big names get traded, signed, released and what do we do? Nothing...we spend all our time trying to turn another teams 3 stringer into our superstar.

I am strongly invested in the Lions because I grew up with them but they are draining to follow. They spit in the face of fans all year long with their stupidity.

[Javery]

Dawkins was one of the best Defensive players in the league last year. He was the reason the Eagles made it that far into the playoffs. You can't replace Veteran Leadership.

I won't dispute that - it's just the Eagles typically get rid of you when you turn 30.

[Soodmeg]

Oh, Lions Trade Jon Kitna to the Cowboys Another Henry.

Hmmm.......this guys didnt look all that great when I seen the Cowboys play but anything is better than still having Jon Kinta on our team.

[CL-Insanity]

I told the wife that I was going to the Chiefs/Steelers game BEFORE they won the Super Bowl... and now that they have Cassell and a new coaching staff that actually wants to win... my $350-400 trip from Vegas probably just turned into $500-600...
Before -- $200 RT ticket, $50 hotel, $50 car rental , $50 (take-it-or-leave it)ticket
After -- $200 RT ticket, $125 hotel, $100 car rental, $100 buy-in-advance ticket

I usually stay as close to the stadium as possible... and yes, a winning or losing team does change the prices to see a game that much....

[pimpinc333]

Oh, Lions Trade Jon Kitna to the Cowboys Another Henry.

Hmmm.......this guys didnt look all that great when I seen the Cowboys play but anything is better than still having Jon Kinta on our team.
Henry is a beast. He was plagued by injuries last year though. He is a 4-5 INT guy a year. He has lost step though.

[Soodmeg]

I have to give it to the Broncos they are trying to make it work without taking the Redskins approach. Making their team stronger in almost every position.

Broncos the new go to team in Madden 2010?

[Mattte]

Yeah I'd like to see Chicago do something but it ain't gonna happen. It will be interesting to see if Cassel continues to kick ass or if he becomes the next Scott Mitchell getting phat cash for one good season then crapping out. It's going to be a rough first year in KC as the only real target he'll have to throw to is Tony Gonzales.

I think its the NFC North in general. I know the Packers aren't going to do a damn thing. The biggest signing is going to be Sage Rosenfels...

[pimpinc333]

Keith Brooking signs with the Cowboys. Hmmm. I guess Zach Thomas is out and Ray Lewis is no longer in the mix.

[RAMSTORIA]

49ers signed brandon jones, 5 years 16 mil. not the biggest splash, but i like the signing for the money. with him and morgan, i think well have a better 1/2 than last year.

[jlarlee]

I'm glad the Pats unloaded Cassell but it seems like we didn't get enough for him. DId Pioli and the Chiefs get a friendly discount

[dafoomie]

I'm glad the Pats unloaded Cassell but it seems like we didn't get enough for him. DId Pioli and the Chiefs get a friendly discount
Probably. But they may have someone targeted at #34 that they wanted bad enough, that pick is better than the last 6 or 7 picks of the 1st round.

[jlarlee]

Probably. But they may have someone targeted at #34 that they wanted bad enough, that pick is better than the last 6 or 7 picks of the 1st round.

That is true it is near the top of the 2nd round so you are getting nearly 1st round value but at a 2nd round salary

[integralsmatic]

That is true it is near the top of the 2nd round so you are getting nearly 1st round value but at a 2nd round salary

well they 4 picks in the first 58 alone i think right? either way they are stockpiling to get younger and they have 19 million under that cap. Shawn Springs visits on Sunday and then they can fill their roster with some mid level free agents. The pats have nothing to worry about. I think the Denver deal was obviously better but yeah Bill gave Pioli a hometeam discount.

Josh Mcdaniels must feel robbed and he now has a pissed off all pro QB. for obvious reasons we know he wanted Cassell....but now he has alot of mending to do.

[dafoomie]

What was the Denver deal?

[integralsmatic]

What was the Denver deal?

It was supposed to be a three team deal that sent a package of picks including the 12th overall to the patriots, Cassel to the broncos and either the Vikes/Bucs get Cutler. It had blockbuster written all over it.

[jlarlee]

I dunno to be honest I'd rather have Cutler. As far as I'm concerned that was a winning offense tied to a horrible defense. Kind of like the opposite of the Ravens before they got Flacco

[Soodmeg]

So who the hell is this Texans QB that the Vikings were busting a nut trying to get?

[integralsmatic]

I dunno to be honest I'd rather have Cutler. As far as I'm concerned that was a winning offense tied to a horrible defense. Kind of like the opposite of the Ravens before they got Flacco

i would rather have Cutler also but mcdaniels wanted Cassel because he is going to run the same exact offense in denver that he ran in new england. So Cassel would have been a better fit interms of knowing the plays. other than that Cutler has always been better and i would take him too.

So who the hell is this Texans QB that the Vikings were busting a nut trying to get?

wasnt it Sage Rosenfels? If thats him, than they already got him. i tink for a third round pick.

[SteveMcQ]

So who the hell is this Texans QB that the Vikings were busting a nut trying to get?http://www.chron.com/photos/2008/10/05/13375295/260xStory.jpg
That guy whirling through the air, like a John Elway wannabe, fumbling the ball and costing his team the game.

[fatmanforlife99]

http://www.chron.com/photos/2008/10/05/13375295/260xStory.jpg
That guy whirling through the air, like a John Elway wannabe, fumbling the ball and costing his team the game.

Man that was a fucking lucky comeback. I am a Colts fan and thought shit they are going to lose to the Texans.


I dont understand the Cowboys move to pick up Brooking over Lewis. Lewis would of bitch-slapped TO.

[pitfallharry219]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Alo64SBXCO20d2AAuU.w7qY5nYcB?slug=txnflp layersmissing&prov=st&type=lgns

CLEARWATER, FLORIDA (TICKER) —The Coast Guard is conducting a search in the Gulf of Mexico for a fishing boat with two NFL players on board.
According to Clearwater’s ABC Action News affiliate, a 21-foot fishing boat left the area at approximately 6:30 a.m. on Saturday morning and did not return at its scheduled time later in the day.
Citing a call from the Coast Guard dispatcher, the television station reported that two of the passengers are Detroit Lions (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/det/;_ylt=AhtF4.ECDkmy21qekw.p8lgLubYF) defensive end Corey Smith (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6239/;_ylt=As12too04CI4H.4UlhqVggwLubYF) and Oakland Raiders (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/oak/;_ylt=Ar9aZ09uNG1y0rgOVyY6Q_MLubYF) linebacker Marquis Cooper (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6838/;_ylt=Ai7mRWQJj78GettHLZK3MtYLubYF).
The boat, which had four people on board, was reported missing at about 1:30 a.m. Officials stated that gulf waters were “extremely choppy” and believe that the boat is “in distress.”
Damn.

[pimpinc333]

Man that was a fucking lucky comeback. I am a Colts fan and thought shit they are going to lose to the Texans.


I dont understand the Cowboys move to pick up Brooking over Lewis. Lewis would of bitch-slapped TO.

Brooking is a lot cheaper then Lewis. With the Ravens losing Bart Scott they are going to pay a ton for Lewis to stay as a Raven

Brooking is a solid LB though. I always liked how he played the game. Reminded me of a bigger Zach Thomas.

[Chitown021]

So who the hell is this Texans QB that the Vikings were busting a nut trying to get?

Well Sage Rosenfels is a huge upgrade from Tavaris Jackson. With the Bear & Packers in decline and the Lions, well being the Lions, the Viking could dominate the NFC North if they could just get some decent QB play (and if A.P. could learn to hang onto the ball).

[Soodmeg]

Yeah, Vikings might be the team to beat next year if they get T.J and a QB who can not suck hard.

I have no idea who this guy is though.

[Illini Jeeper]

The Texans picked up Mr. Safety himself today for their backup QB. At least Orlovsky is out of Deee-troit.

[integralsmatic]

Yeah, Vikings might be the team to beat next year if they get T.J and a QB who can not suck hard.

I have no idea who this guy is though.

really? Rosenfels has been in the league for a long time and he has made on and off starts since his days with the Redskins. He also had a stint with the Miami Dolhpin.

He is definitley an upgrade over anything the Vikes have.

i dont know if they are the team to beat. I think resigning Jimmy Kennedy is a must so he can take up blockers and let the Williams get loose.

[pimpinc333]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3944945

Brandon Marshell arrested yet again. Wow. I'm guessing a 4-8 game suspension will follow.

[pitfallharry219]

ESPN is reporting TO has been cut by Dallas.

[integralsmatic]

ESPN is reporting TO has been cut by Dallas.

:shock: really? on TV? because i cant find it on the site.

in other news.

Ray Lewis will finish his career as a Raven. 3 year deal. They also signed Center Matt Birk which could be looked at as an upgrade from Josh Brown.

Laverneus Coles Signs with Cincinnati

[pitfallharry219]

Yeah, on TV. It's on the frontpage of the website now.

[integralsmatic]

Yeah, on TV. It's on the frontpage of the website now.

WOW. it did happen. The question begs...who is going to take a chance on TO now that he wore out his welcome in Dallas...

[pitfallharry219]

Oakland.

[Regian]

Yep. TO is out of Dallas.

Now who's headache does he become?

[2Fast]

Oakland.

Gotta like the Raiders' receiving corps next year of T.O., Plaxico, and Vick.

[soulvengeance]

Gotta like the Raiders' receiving corps next year of T.O., Plaxico, and Vick.

Man, that would be hilarious if that happened.

[spamfree2]

Not only TO.. Roy Williams ( saftey) is gone too... Its about time they got rid of him.

[Soodmeg]

The Lions need to make a play for both of them now!

Although I think Roy Williams was completely over rated and his only unique skill was horse collaring people. Lions cant get much worse so bring them both aboard and see what happens.

[integralsmatic]

The Lions need to make a play for both of them now!

Although I think Roy Williams was completely over rated and his only unique skill was horse collaring people. Lions cant get much worse so bring them both aboard and see what happens.

to tell you the truth, if the lions did that....then they might as well go 0-16 again. They dont need TO when you have Calvin Johnson. Plus i wouldnt want TO mentoring johnson who is a bonified star talent and at such a young age.

Roy Williams is bad...if the deal is right bring him in...but thats as far as i will go. I would take Mike Brown over him anyday of the week.

So i guess JJ is turning a new leaf huh.

[DJSteel]

bout time the 'boys got rid of these two...

[shinryuu]

TO goes to the Bills. wtf.

[captainfrizo]

I give T.O. three quarters into the first regular season game before he starts going off.

[MadChedar0]

Seriously: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/sports/football/08owens.html

I don't know what to think as a Bills fan. We're a cohesive team that's slowly improving but... T.O. is TNT. On the field and in the locker room so... what the hell we'll see what happens.

[FriskyTanuki]

“I’m leaving America’s team for North America’s team,” Owens said at a news conference.
I've never heard anyone say that about Buffalo, especially because it doesn't make any sense. :lol:

[pitfallharry219]

I've never heard anyone say that about Buffalo, especially because it doesn't make any sense. :lol:

It's because the Bills are starting to play games in Toronto.

[dafoomie]

I've never heard anyone say that about Buffalo, especially because it doesn't make any sense. :lol:
He means Canada's team, they'll be in Toronto in a few years.

[integralsmatic]

Seriously: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/08/sports/football/08owens.html

I don't know what to think as a Bills fan. We're a cohesive team that's slowly improving but... T.O. is TNT. On the field and in the locker room so... what the hell we'll see what happens.

Same here.

but i havent seen any improvement of the past 3 seasons. But i think that comes with rebuilding and player development.

T.O on paper is an awesome acquisition. We finally have a legit deep threat besides Lee. and to slide Reed/Hardy/Johnson to slot and 4th...is potentially pretty sick.

This is most surprising FA signing the bills did in a decade. I surely thought T.O was going to Al Davis.

[DT778]

49ers restructure Alex Smith's contract into a two year deal.

The San Francisco 49ers announced that the team has restructured QB Alex Smith’s contract into a two-year deal. Further terms of the contract were not announced.

Said 49ers General Manager Scot McCloughan, “We have reached an agreement with Alex and his agent to keep him as a member of the San Francisco 49ers. Alex expressed a deep interest to remain with the team and that feeling was mutual.”

Smith (6-4, 217) enters his fifth NFL season after originally being drafted in the first round (1st pick overall) of the 2005 Draft by the 49ers out of Utah. He was placed on Injured Reserve for the entire 2008 season due to a shoulder injury after being limited to seven games the previous season. Smith posted career-highs in 2006 as he started all 16 games and completed 257-of-442 passes for 2,890 yards with 16 touchdowns and 16 interceptions.49ers.com

Hopefully he can stay healthy and really show the team what he has to offer.

[dmaul1114]

Glad to see TO went to the Bills. Was terrified that dumb ass Al Davis would sign him! Raiders have enough problems without that cancer in the locker room!

[DomLando]

49ers restructure Alex Smith's contract into a two year deal.

49ers.com

Hopefully he can stay healthy and really show the team what he has to offer.

=(. Why can't they just part ways with him and admit they made a mistake with the number 1 pick that year...

[RAMSTORIA]

49ers restructure Alex Smith's contract into a two year deal.

49ers.com

Hopefully he can stay healthy and really show the team what he has to offer.

good. hopefully he took a big paycut. too bad we signed huard though and not someone, ya know, useful.

[DomLando]

good. hopefully he took a big paycut. too bad we signed huard though and not someone, ya know, useful.

Well they did try to get Warner.

Now they have 3 QBs I do not see them drafting a QB, which they really need because none of the guys they have now are the answer.

[pitfallharry219]

Reports are saying Donte Stallworth was drunk when he ran over and killed that man in Miami. If this is true, hopefully he doesn't get off as easily as Leonard Little did.

[Chitown021]

Sounds like the Broncos have officially placed Cutler on the market. C'mon Bears, let's make a deal!!!

[H-Town Info]

who wants my cutler jersey?

[ph33r m3]

who wants my cutler jersey?

Of a big ol' crying vagina? Nah thanks though bro....

I get the dude's not a wanted commodity by his coach....but shit man...don't puss out....go to camp....peg Marshall in the face....maybe sack McDaniels....

And I don't know why a team like the Lions/49ers/Bears aren't throwing the kitchen sink at Cutler.....I mean shit the dude's a beast....the Broncos suck because they have 0 D.

[DomLando]

Of a big ol' crying vagina? Nah thanks though bro....

I get the dude's not a wanted commodity by his coach....but shit man...don't puss out....go to camp....peg Marshall in the face....maybe sack McDaniels....

And I don't know why a team like the Lions/49ers/Bears aren't throwing the kitchen sink at Cutler.....I mean shit the dude's a beast....the Broncos suck because they have 0 D.

The Niners better go after Cutler. There is absolutely no reason not to for them.

[pimpinc333]

Wait.... People consider Culter as a really good QB or even a beast at QB? Shits news to me...

[DomLando]

Wait.... People consider Culter as a really good QB or even a beast at QB? Shits news to me...

Cutler had a really good year last year and has a cannon for an arm. He has to mature a bit and make better decisions on the field, but in the right situation he can be great. And all the teams that are supposedly interested, Cutler would be a huge upgrade from what they have.

[Javery]

Wait.... People consider Culter as a really good QB or even a beast at QB? Shits news to me...

Over the last 2 years he has 8,000+ yards and 45 TDs. Only Warner, Peyton and Brees can claim that and Cutler is 5 years younger (25) than the next guy on the list (Brees, 30). He has also been playing for a crappy team with almost no one to throw to. He is the definition of a franchise QB and the Broncos will cringe watching him win 2+ Super Bowls for the Jets over the next 10 years.

I should also add that he is a big time pussy - he should have sucked it up and gone into camp this year and had the best season of his life to stick it to whoever he is angry at.

[FriskyTanuki]

Cutler had a pretty good receiving core to throw to, so I don't know where you get that he had nothing to throw to. He had absolutely no running game or defense to protect the leads he could offer, so he pretty much won eight games by himself last year. The fact that the new douchebag coach didn't want to keep the only good thing about the team last year just destroys any hope I had for Denver this year.

[RAMSTORIA]

id love for the 49ers to get cutler, the 10th pick and (aka marc sanchez) could be pretty enticing for denver.

the 49ers receivers arent great, but they have a lot of cap room, if they can bring in cutler they may be able to entice a true number 1. then again, they have a young group of WR, with a boarderline elite QB and gore rushing morgan and hill could break out this year.

[Halo05]

Alright! San Diego is going to win the AFC West again!

[Javery]

Cutler had a pretty good receiving core to throw to, so I don't know where you get that he had nothing to throw to. He had absolutely no running game or defense to protect the leads he could offer, so he pretty much won eight games by himself last year. The fact that the new douchebag coach didn't want to keep the only good thing about the team last year just destroys any hope I had for Denver this year.

Marshall is good but Stokley, Royal, Gaffney and whoever else they have that I can't think of right now are just average, IMO. I mean it's not nothing but it's not Fitzgerald/Boldin or Reggie Wayne either...

[FriskyTanuki]

Well, no crap that they don't match the Cards' amazing trio, but you don't get 4,500 yards passing without some good guys catching those passes. Royal was the best WR in this rookie class and Marshall's a solid #1 to keep attention off of Royal so he can do his thing. Then there's Tony Scheffler, who is a very good TE and was a big target for Cutler.

Over 1,200 to Marshall, 20 yards shy of 1,000 for Royal, and over 600 yards for Scheffler is close to 3k yards for just those three players, which is pretty good for any set of three receivers.

[DT778]

C'mon Cutler to the Niners :pray:

Issac Bruce is going to play another year with the Niners.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4033805

[Javery]

Well, no crap that they don't match the Cards' amazing trio, but you don't get 4,500 yards passing without some good guys catching those passes. Royal was the best WR in this rookie class and Marshall's a solid #1 to keep attention off of Royal so he can do his thing. Then there's Tony Scheffler, who is a very good TE and was a big target for Cutler.

Over 1,200 to Marshall, 20 yards shy of 1,000 for Royal, and over 600 yards for Scheffler is close to 3k yards for just those three players, which is pretty good for any set of three receivers.

OK, you win.

[integralsmatic]

any team that Gets Cutler will be ten times better. If the Jets were smart....they would be on this like wildfire because i dont even think Kellen Clemens is a good game manager alone a decent QB.

anyway

Donte Stallworth was officially indicted for dui manslaughter:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4033632

[FriskyTanuki]

OK, you win.
:whee:

;)

[H-Town Info]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9403016/Cutler-speaks:-

Cutler said he didn't want to be traded..............


My 5 words to sum up the Cutler fiasco:

Bowlen's fault from the beginning

Think about it when he was interviewing for coaches, he should have told every candidate that Cutler is the QB for the Broncos from 09 and beyond. You will learn to work with Cutler and not trade for anyone else. Everything could had been avoided if Bowlen made that cleared to the coaching candidates in their interviews.

Also JaveryH, Royal is very good WR and a great complement to Marshall. His route running is like 10-year veteran and has that big play threat with him.

[DT778]

49ers are going to unveil their new uniforms just before the start of the draft on the 24th of this month.

They have been talking about having new uniforms similar to the ones from the 80's so it will be interesting to see if it will be a straight throwback or a modified one.

Here's the link but what I said was pretty much it, it mostly has info on the draft day party.
http://www.49ers.com/pressbox/news_detail.php?PRKey=5213

[Javery]

:whee:

;)

yeah, I still think Cutler is an elite franchise QB though. ;)

[corrosivefrost]

any team that Gets Cutler will be ten times better.

Uh. Maybe.

But considering the reported price for Cutler is 2 1st round picks and a player, possibly a QB... talk about overpriced... That's almost what I'd have expected a base package to start looking like if the Pats had been smart enough to trade Brady.

[Javery]

Uh. Maybe.

But considering the reported price for Cutler is 2 1st round picks and a player, possibly a QB... talk about overpriced... That's almost what I'd have expected a base package to start looking like if the Pats had been smart enough to trade Brady.

If I was a GM I would almost ALWAYS trade away my 1st round picks unless it was a can't-miss prospect like a Mario Williams or something. The salary cap hit is too much and you can find talent in just about any round. I'd give up 2 first rounders and my current starting QB for Cutler in a second (unless I was running one of the 6 or 7 teams with franchise QBs - basically every team except the Colts, Patriots, Saints, Steelers and maybe the Giants and maybe the Chiefs).

[DomLando]

49ers are going to unveil their new uniforms just before the start of the draft on the 24th of this month.

They have been talking about having new uniforms similar to the ones from the 80's so it will be interesting to see if it will be a straight throwback or a modified one.

Here's the link but what I said was pretty much it, it mostly has info on the draft day party.
http://www.49ers.com/pressbox/news_detail.php?PRKey=5213

Nice. My friend warned me not to pick up a Willis Jersey last year because of the change in jerseys. Hopefully they look good.

[corrosivefrost]

If I was a GM I would almost ALWAYS trade away my 1st round picks unless it was a can't-miss prospect like a Mario Williams or something. The salary cap hit is too much and you can find talent in just about any round. I'd give up 2 first rounders and my current starting QB for Cutler in a second (unless I was running one of the 6 or 7 teams with franchise QBs - basically every team except the Colts, Patriots, Saints, Steelers and maybe the Giants and maybe the Chiefs).

The thing I can't fathom is the reported interest of Cleveland. They have Quinn. They have Anderson. Unless they trade them both, why get Jay Cutler?

Makes more sense for someone like, say, the Redskins, who could trade Jason Campell for Culter and picks could be exchanged to even things out.

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GMs don't always do what makes sense though, mang. I still don't know how, other than fear of negative fan reaction, you don't look at moving the rehabbing Tom Brady (i.e. give him the Bledsoe treatment) for the King's ransom he'd bring in and go foward with Cassel as the future. They already proved they can win with him and you don't need Brady to continue the success. They proved the team is more than one player with their treatment of Deion Branch, Asante Samuel, or Adam Vinatieri. So if I'm their GM, Brady is gone to the highest bidder.

[Javery]

Cutler just got traded to the BEARS. I didn't see that one coming. No details on who the Broncos got but I hope for their sake it wasn't Sexy Rexy.

[FriskyTanuki]

Fuck Denver.

[guyver2077]

wow.... that many picks and orton?

crazy

Cutler has been traded to the Chicago Bears for two first-round picks, a third-round pick and quarterback Kyle Orton, FOXSports.com has learned. Denver will receive Chicago's first- and third-round pick in this year's draft, and Chicago's first-round pick in 2010, along with Orton. The Bears get Cutler and the Broncos' fifth-round pick this year.

[SeanAmI]

Bears gave way too much.

[FriskyTanuki]

The only homeless quarterback in the league is now in Denver? It's not so bad now. They need to get Beanie Wells with the Bears pick now.

[Inf^Shini]

wow.... that many picks and orton?

crazy

Cutler has been traded to the Chicago Bears for two first-round picks, a third-round pick and quarterback Kyle Orton, FOXSports.com has learned. Denver will receive Chicago's first- and third-round pick in this year's draft, and Chicago's first-round pick in 2010, along with Orton. The Bears get Cutler and the Broncos' fifth-round pick this year.
Holy Cow

[TruthinessFC]

Wow, this just confirms that Belichick gave Pioli a gift in that trade. And here I thought the Schaub trade was crazy unbalanced...

[Chitown021]

Holy crap! I wanted the Bears to get Cutler but we overpaid like a champ... If we only had him a couple years ago for our Superbowl run instead of Grossman...

[FriskyTanuki]

We need a new thread for the 2009 off-season and regular season and not that Bears-exclusive thread either.

[manthing]

Wow, this just confirms that Belichick gave Pioli a gift in that trade. And here I thought the Schaub trade was crazy unbalanced...

What gift?

A $14 Mill cap hit? It was too high a price to pay for an unproven(outside the Pats system) QB.

The $14 mil salary SEVERELY dropped Cassel's tradability.


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I can't wait for all the pre-season predictions of the Vi-Queens winning the NFC North w/ the worst QB in the division.

8-)

[TruthinessFC]

What gift?

A $14 Mill cap hit? It was too high a price to pay for an unproven(outside the Pats system) QB.

The $14 mil salary SEVERELY dropped Cassel's tradability.
What gift? Well, giving Vrabel away for free, and taking less than market value for Cassel. I know, I know, Vrabel is generally considered old and washed up but he is one season removed from a 77 tackle, 12.5 sack year. If nothing else, Vrabel at least held value for the Patriots as a starting OLB.

At first glance the cap hit is too high for what Matt has done so far, but honestly what else do the Chiefs have of value that would give them pause before cutting loose? Gonzo, that lineman they drafted last year, LJ, Bowe, Hali, Derrick Johnson, a few B-level players maybe. The Chiefs are going nowhere so they can afford to wait, resign Cassel to a longer deal and build with a few drafts.

Too high a price to pay? So how do two first rounders, a third, and Neckbeard weigh for you? Teams are overpaying for promising young QBs, it's important for the sellers to cash in whenever possible. Belichick could've gotten more from another team, regardless of how good Cassel turns out to be.

[corrosivefrost]

Well, the bears will find, again, that no line and no real receivers, means a QB who will wade in the pool of mediocrity.