2008 NFL Season Thread

[js1]

Sweet, now that the NE jets game is over they cut to the Chargers game.

[KingBroly]

Nedney missed a GW field goal attempt at the end of regulation for SF. Overtime.

[FriskyTanuki]

Eddie Royal is my hero!!!!

[Admiral Ackbar]

Is it just me or does officiating so far early in the season seem especially bad?

[becuzimbrown]

Amazing game, but uh oh.

In before pissed off Chargers fans!

[js1]

FUCK!!!!!! I can't really recall an NFL team going for two instead of going for OT.

[KingBroly]

At least he admitted his mistake, but damn...

Broncos up by 1, 49ers won

[Soodmeg]

HA! Fuck you LDT. You are a cry baby bitch and I love when you lose. Lets see if you cry as much after loosing to a team other than the Pats.

Nice 26 yards and no TD's.

[js1]

Damn, another loss that could have been won. Either way that was a awesome game! It sucks because the Chargers most of the time lose the close ones...

[dafoomie]

Must be pretty sweet for Jay Cutler to beat Philip Rivers like that after all the shit Rivers talked on the field last year.

[Whambamm]

I was rooting for the Broncos, but the Chargers got absolutely screwed. There is no reason that fumble by Cutler shouldn't have ended the game. Horrible officiating.

[DomLando]

I'm done with the 49ers....officially. This team ain't gonna be shit until York gives the team away.

That's what I was saying and then they end up winning.

[js1]

HA! Fuck you LDT. You are a cry baby bitch and I love when you lose. Lets see if you cry as much after loosing to a team other than the Pats.

Nice 26 yards and no TD's.

You are a idiot.. I don't know if you ever played sports and in a big game, and you were one of the best players and you were not able to play because of injury how do you think you would feel? I think I would have been depressed as well.

[pinoyunggoy]

Omfg I Am So Pissed Right Now. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh Fuck Ed Hoculi. We Got Fucking Screwed.

[Soodmeg]

You are a idiot.. I don't know if you ever played sports and in a big game, and you were one of the best players and you were not able to play because of injury how do you think you would feel? I think I would have been depressed as well.

Um, yes I have played sports all my life and was on scholarship in college. Difference is when I was "depressed" if thats what you want to call it after a game and lashed out at the other team it simply was considered me being unsportsmanlike.

Bottom line. He is on a double standard he pretends to be all high class but whenever he loses he bitches and moans like the rest of us. He is a simply douche bag no matter which way you call it. Basically he for some reason finds it disrespectful for anyone to beat him and when he faces a team that doesnt treat him like a god but like another running back he cries like a bitch.



But thanks for the idiots remark for no reason at all by the way...you related to him or something?

[GuilewasNK]

Hail to the Redskins!

Good comeback by the Colts and Skins today.

[Halo05]

I'm dying to know what the point of instant replay/reviewing is if it can't be used to correct mistakes made by officials on the field.

[FriskyTanuki]

They can't review parts of a play that happened after the play was whistled dead.

[Soodmeg]

Alright steelers defense show me something tonight. I am still on the fence between you and the Bills defense.

Show me that you can stop a offense full of weapons and earn that starting spot!

[Soodmeg]

By the way Sprints free service Nfl mobile live works alright if you are thinking about getting it.

Its free with any data package and tracks all the game with audio and video, has some strange ass glitches though.

[ph33r m3]

That's what I was saying and then they end up winning.

I have no clue why Nolan is the coach, the 2nd half was ALL MARTZ.

If i'm the GM (if only...) I fire Nolan, put Martz as Head Coach and put Singletary as the DC.

Helluva game by O'Sullivan.....I cheer for the guy, grew up loving the 49ers, UC Davis product....really gritty....imagine Garcia with an arm....

[keithp]

Don't worry SD will come back and win 41-38.;) What's with the hate for norv?

Oh really?

And Raiders won. :applause:

[Chitown021]

I'm glad I decided to bench Big Ben tonight. With his shoulder issues and the weather it's going to be hard for him to have a really good night passing. Only bad part is my backup in one league is Favre and that old fuck only scored me 11 pts...

[Soodmeg]

This Steelers Browns games reminds me of that one superbowl with the Ravens. Lets set the record for most punts!


Its the same reason why I played Willi Parker (other than the fact that you have to play him) I figure they will be running a lot tonight. Hopefully.

By the way my opponent in FF got screwed. All 3 of his WR combined for about 8 points. TJ and Chad from the Bengals and Marvin Harrison how bad is that?

[DomLando]

I have no clue why Nolan is the coach, the 2nd half was ALL MARTZ.

If i'm the GM (if only...) I fire Nolan, put Martz as Head Coach and put Singletary as the DC.

Helluva game by O'Sullivan.....I cheer for the guy, grew up loving the 49ers, UC Davis product....really gritty....imagine Garcia with an arm....

J.T. has impressed me. Bruce had a huge game today as well. There offense actually looked good after the mess of the start they had.

[Chitown021]

This Steelers Browns games reminds me of that one superbowl with the Ravens. Lets set the record for most punts!


Its the same reason why I played Willi Parker (other than the fact that you have to play him) I figure they will be running a lot tonight. Hopefully.

By the way my opponent in FF got screwed. All 3 of his WR combined for about 8 points. TJ and Chad from the Bengals and Marvin Harrison how bad is that?

Yeah my wideout fucked me in my money league. I had Marvin Harrison, Bernard Berrian, and Eddie Royal. Thank God doe that blown fumble call against the Broncos b/c it lead to the TD and 2 pt conversion that gave Royal all his pts for the game.

Speaking of the Broncos game I wonder how serious the injury is to L.T.? I'd imagine if he can't go then Sproles would get the start.

I still have a chance to win in my money league this week but I'll need some good points from McNabb and Folk in the Monday nighter.

[FriskyTanuki]

What the hell @ Pitt's fourth down attempt.

[ph33r m3]

J.T. has impressed me. Bruce had a huge game today as well. There offense actually looked good after the mess of the start they had.

J.T. has played very well.....he holds onto the ball way to long but you know what? I don't mind it. He's trying to make a play happen....and the dude can scramble.....the last time I pulled for a QB like this was Garcia....O'Sullivan doesn't have the greatest arm/accuracy/precision but some of the plays he pulled out of his hat were ridiculous.

A 4th quarter scramble, avoids like 3 Seahawks players and dumps it off to Gore for a 20+ yard pass play....and the money throw to Bruce.....

Slowly but surely this offense is 'getting it'.....Bruce is making plays.....Johnson knows his role and Morgan/Battle make a decent #3/#4 combo....but Davis needs to be traded ASAP...coddamn does he blow.

[Soodmeg]

So I am going to take a page from you guy's book.

Karma's a bitch isnt it Mr. Tomlinson?

[SteveMcQ]

So I am going to take a page from you guy's book.

Karma's a bitch isnt it Mr. Tomlinson?You seem to hate/dislike a lot of football related people/teams.

[becuzimbrown]

You seem to hate/dislike a lot of football related people/teams.

Just the Chargers and everything that has to do with them.

[winterice]

J.T. has impressed me. Bruce had a huge game today as well. There offense actually looked good after the mess of the start they had.
Really? He looks average to me. I loved to be proven wrong but I don't think he can be a cornerstone of the team/offense.
If this season doesn't go well, Nolan is gone. On the last drive in regulation, we could have ran another play. There was 30 seconds left and we had 2 timeouts. Running out the clock for a long field goal was just stupid.
Anyways, Isacc Bruce is slow. When he caught that long ball, I was thinking TD. The Patrick Willis interception-touchdown was sick. lol. I didn't think he would turn that corner or shake the defenders that caught up. lol. Nolan better give him the game ball.

[Collectorguy00]

I got screwed big time tonight. My three WR's didn't break 10 points COMBINED and my second RB got I think 2 points. I gotta make some waiver wire pickups and piece my team back together. Atleast Adrian Peterson scored me some points :(

[js1]

Oh really?

And Raiders won. :applause:

I said that when they were down in the 2nd or 3rd qrt.

[ph33r m3]

Really? He looks average to me. I loved to be proven wrong but I don't think he can be a cornerstone of the team/offense.
If this season doesn't go well, Nolan is gone. On the last drive in regulation, we could have ran another play. There was 30 seconds left and we had 2 timeouts. Running out the clock for a long field goal was just stupid.
Anyways, Isacc Bruce is slow. When he caught that long ball, I was thinking TD. The Patrick Willis interception-touchdown was sick. lol. I didn't think he would turn that corner or shake the defenders that caught up. lol. Nolan better give him the game ball.

Average? I thought he played great....the o-line blows ass.....he was sacked 8 fuckin' times....but he kept getting up and finished:

20/32 321 yards...1 TD...and 0 Ints...

[Soodmeg]

You seem to hate/dislike a lot of football related people/teams.

Just 2.

Colts, Chargers. And anything that has the name Manning on it.

Winslow Jr is looking like one of the worst TE in the NFL right now. He has dropped like 2 or 3 balls and missed about 4 or 5 blocks and just over all sucking.

[js1]

Um, yes I have played sports all my life and was on scholarship in college. Difference is when I was "depressed" if thats what you want to call it after a game and lashed out at the other team it simply was considered me being unsportsmanlike.

Bottom line. He is on a double standard he pretends to be all high class but whenever he loses he bitches and moans like the rest of us. He is a simply douche bag no matter which way you call it. Basically he for some reason finds it disrespectful for anyone to beat him and when he faces a team that doesnt treat him like a god but like another running back he cries like a bitch.



But thanks for the idiots remark for no reason at all by the way...you related to him or something?

My bad, I thought you were being kind of a dick for no reason. From reading your post a little better, it looks like your referencing to the Chargers Pats game when the Chargers lost the playoff game two years ago. I too think the Pats showed unsportsmanlike conduct at the end of the by dancing and acting like idiots at midfield instead of being cool and professional and saving it for the locker room.

[FriskyTanuki]

Romeo Crennel needs to stop playing it so safe.

[DomLando]

Average? I thought he played great....the o-line blows ass.....he was sacked 8 fuckin' times....but he kept getting up and finished:

20/32 321 yards...1 TD...and 0 Ints...

I agree. Though I think the o line is better than what they showed today. And a couple of those sacks were J.T.'s fault.

But J.T. did look great today. Issac is 36 so yeah he lost some speed but he caught 2 long balls and had over 100 yards receiving which is a pretty good day.

[Azumangaman]

Having Cutler+Marshall in one league and Warner+Boldin in another is wonderful.
I'm very happy with my McNabb/Cutler tandem in one of my leagues.

[jlarlee]

I was quite happy with the Pats game today. Brady started off his career doing a lot of game managing as well. I think they can still take the AFC East

[Azumangaman]

I still never understood the Jets winning the division thing. If the Pats don't win it, its the Bills. The Jets don't stand a chance.

[primetime]

I'm most happy seeing Troy P. in pro bowl form. He did a great job containing "Soulja Boy."

[winterice]

Average? I thought he played great....the o-line blows ass.....he was sacked 8 fuckin' times....but he kept getting up and finished:

20/32 321 yards...1 TD...and 0 Ints...
Maybe average isn't the right word but I just don't see the makings of a top QB. Some of those sacks are because he doesn't have much pocket awareness, as they term it.

[pimpinc333]

The Browns really beat themselves tonight with those 7-8 dropped balls.

[daroga]

I don't know when Braylon Edwards forgot how to catch a football, but he needs to remember, and fast.

[becuzimbrown]

I don't know when Braylon Edwards forgot how to catch a football, but he needs to remember, and fast.

Yup.
He's on 2 of my fantasy teams!

[DomLando]

Maybe average isn't the right word but I just don't see the makings of a top QB. Some of those sacks are because he doesn't have much pocket awareness, as they term it.

Nobody said he was going to be a top QB, but his play today impressed. He has decent pocket awareness he just holds onto the ball way too long sometimes, trying to make something happen.

[DJSteel]

San Diego got ripped off... but the ref made the right call..he blew the whistle so the call has to stick..

[Soodmeg]

Holy shit I am beating my FF opponent (who is my best friend so its extra sweet) 83-25.

Only 1 person on his team got out of double figures. Granted he has D-Nabb but unless he throws for about 500 yards it wont matter.

[Chitown021]

Holy shit I am beating my FF opponent (who is my best friend so its extra sweet) 83-25.

Only 1 person on his team got out of double figures. Granted he has D-Nabb but unless he throws for about 500 yards it wont matter.

I have a game going like that where I'm getting beat 80-49 but I have McNabb and Folk tonight. Here's hoping for some TD passes from McNabb and lots of FGs for Dallas.

[guyver2077]

im just getting wooped this week...my qb's and rb's did nothing. plus going up against a packer defense which by itself scored 20+ points is ridiculous

[RAMSTORIA]

im up by 30 and my opponent has mcnabb, barber and witten tonight. it doesnt look good...

[Chitown021]

That dude was not over the goaline before he started showboating. That's a Leon Lett style blunder.

Dammit I NEEDED that touchdown very badly! Way to go JACKASS!!!

[Azumangaman]

That pissed me off.
Its a good thing I'm already dominating the leagues I have him in.

[Astinus Majere]

This MNF game is really good.

[Collectorguy00]

Goddamn, can they facemask Westbrook anymore?

[RAMSTORIA]

lost my fantasy game, i figured i would yesterday, but it was also a lot closer than i thought itd be. that makes it a lot more frustrating.

[Chitown021]

Holy crap I think McNabb and Folk did just enough to pull my ass out of the fire! I'll have to wait for the final adjustments tomorrow but right now it shows that I win 82-80 after trailing 80-49 coming into the night! I would've won easily had it not been for the late fumble by McNabb and the dropped ball on the goal line...

[Soodmeg]

Ugh did anyone hear that bitch singing the national anthem last night? Shit was burning my ears and she got booed like crazy.

People stop trying to sing the anthem like a fucking pop song. Its not. Sing it and get the hell off the stage.

Granted there are some people out there who can really bring tears to your eyes when they sing it.....a lot of motown soulful people can really move you with their versions of the song.

But guess what? Thats not you bitch. Pop singers can barely sing without 18 computers to begin with.

Brutal.

[SteveMcQ]

Ugh did anyone hear that bitch singing the national anthem last night? Shit was burning my ears and she got booed like crazy.

People stop trying to sing the anthem like a fucking pop song. Its not. Sing it and get the hell off the stage.

Granted there are some people out there who can really bring tears to your eyes when they sing it.....a lot of motown soulful people can really move you with their versions of the song.

But guess what? Thats not you bitch. Pop singers can barely sing without 18 computers to begin with.

Brutal.Agreed. Who the hell was that? I heard a few notes of her singing/yelling and her cracking voice and I had to switch. It took her forever to sing it, too. I switched over, then switched back and it was still her trying to belt out notes she couldn't hit.

[Mr. 420]

That chick that that attempted the National Anthem had no soul.
One of the worst I have ever heard, luckily the game made up for it.
Eagles were lucky to be so close.

[DJSteel]

if it was in Philly she wouldn't want to sing publicly again

[v1et r1ce]

Eagles were lucky to be so close.
What? If anything, both teams got extremely lucky with the turnovers. I am disappointed in my Eagles, but seeing how extremely well they played last night, I can't wait to see what they can do the rest of the season.

[Soodmeg]

if it was in Philly she wouldn't want to sing publicly again

Wasnt that were destiny's child got booed also?

[GuilewasNK]

They should have non-vocal renditions of the anthem if they are going to continue to do it. Get a military band to play it appropriately, or a recorded version. I don't need to see a singer try to "diva up" the song. This isn't American Idol. I have to agree with you Soodmeg, sing the song and get off the stage.

[pimpinc333]

What? If anything, both teams got extremely lucky with the turnovers. I am disappointed in my Eagles, but seeing how extremely well they played last night, I can't wait to see what they can do the rest of the season.

Eagles only turned the ball over Once. Dallas Turned the ball over twice with 14 seconds for 14 points. That hurt the Cowboys a ton.

Great Game though. I was sure the Eagles were going to win the game. I'm happy with the outcome though :D

[syrupninja]

That was a great game, the NFC East is gonna be a tough division this year. Although I'm a Bears fan, which sucks in Dallas since I don't get to see all the games.

And I got stomped by almost 60 points in my Yahoo FF League this week thanks to "Big" Ben and the wind in Cleveland.

[Chitown021]

That was a great game, the NFC East is gonna be a tough division this year. Although I'm a Bears fan, which sucks in Dallas since I don't get to see all the games.

And I got stomped by almost 60 points in my Yahoo FF League this week thanks to "Big" Ben and the wind in Cleveland.

Once I read the reports of bad weather I pulled Big Ben from my lineup.

I'm wondering how serious this supposed shoulder injury is? If he's hurt I don't want to waste any starts on him.

[syrupninja]

Once I read the reports of bad weather I pulled Big Ben from my lineup.

I'm wondering how serious this supposed shoulder injury is? If he's hurt I don't want to waste any starts on him.

I'm not sure but I hope it's not bad, Kitna is my backup. I'm having major problems at TE started Heap last week and Olsen this week and both LOST me points. The only one worth anything is Witten, and the drunk guy at my draft got him with the 3rd pick.

[SteveMcQ]

Colts are just being hit by the injury bug hard. Sanders could miss 4-6 weeks. So this weekend, that could be two starters missing on defense, and four starters on offense.

[DJSteel]

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e308/DJHads/l_4d361e8341846b8c8ea27dae2e12e774.gif

[doubledown]

I'm not sure but I hope it's not bad, Kitna is my backup. I'm having major problems at TE started Heap last week and Olsen this week and both LOST me points. The only one worth anything is Witten, and the drunk guy at my draft got him with the 3rd pick.

Kitna at least puts up decent fantasy numbers since the Lions like to spot the other teams 21 points. I would play him until Detroit benches him...which could be sooner than later with the buzz around here.

[Azumangaman]

Tarvaris Jackson has now become Gus Frerotte...
Gus DA BUS is the new starter.
I guess my "Go Crazy for TJack and pretend he's good" routine failed.

[ph33r m3]

Tarvaris Jackson has now become Gus Frerotte...
Gus DA BUS is the new starter.
I guess my "Go Crazy for TJack and pretend he's good" routine failed.

If there smart they'll tank it for Stafford/Tebow/Daniels.

Jackson blows donkey cock.

[Chitown021]

Good maybe Ferotte can actually complete a few passes to Bernard Berrian, he killed me last week dropping a goose egg on my fantasy team.

[Azumangaman]

I think we should try to get Quinn Gray of all people from the Texans. Either that or Cleo Lemon from the Jaguars. Actually, lets go nuts and try to get David Garrard.
Garrard as a Viking would be amazing.
I only suggested Gray and Lemon because those are probably our only option.

[guyver2077]

you do not want lemon....

anyways.

im getting wooped in fantasy.. 0-2 so far and im up against the #1 point producer.. losin brady messed me up

[DJSteel]

Culpepper is still out there.. the fact that he doesn't have a job is crazy

[guyver2077]

Culpepper is still out there.. the fact that he doesn't have a job is crazy

right. i thought about him.. but maybe he is serious with retirement..

imagine him back in minnesota.. i thought he could fit in new england

[Soodmeg]

I just traded MJD (I have Brandon Jacobs and Willi Parker with Matt Forte as a back up) for Marvin Harrison. Now I really am not playing on keeping Marvin I only wanted him beacuse MJD isnt going to do much this year but how high do you think I could trade MH for?

I really want another solid WR. Is he still considered a great WR because he hasnt done anything in 2 years.

Also. Desean Jackson vs Pit or Wes Welker vs MIA?

I am leaning toward Wes Welker.

[DJSteel]

Depends on whether or not Return yds count.. if they do take Jackson.. if they don't take Wes Welker

[Soodmeg]

Depends on whether or not Return yds count.. if they do take Jackson.. if they don't take Wes Welker

Keep in mind this, I have Roy Williams of the Lions. He is still kinda their number 1 option but really gets no love now that Calvin is there.

Do you think I should try to work a deal with him before its to late? The lions are so bad that you cant rely on anything, one game they might not score the next game Roy could catch for 4 TDs. Whats your over all feel for Roy Williams.

If I dont start him I will have Jackson, Welker, Brandon Marshell to start this week (baring what ever WR I get back)

[DJSteel]

I think Calvin is emerging as the go to guy for Detroit.. Roy is always going to be there but his numbers will fluctuate.. I normally stay far away from anything Denver except QBs because Shanahan loves to screw fantasy football all up.. Marshall's numbers will fluctuate as well with the emergence of Eddie Royal.. not nearly as much as Roy Williams

[guyver2077]

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Also. Desean Jackson vs Pit or Wes Welker vs MIA?

I am leaning toward Wes Welker.

I would prob pick wes as every team seems to torch the dolphins secondary. I also have desean jackson on my team.

I picked up sammy morris but may end up dropping him for someone else. I dont know if morris will get the ground game going on the dolphins. I may just go for a sure thing and pick up the giants kicker or something.

Derek anderson has let me down for 2 straight weeks (my starter). hopefully he has a breakout game this week

[Azumangaman]

Culpepper is still out there.. the fact that he doesn't have a job is crazy
I wish. Even if he isn't serious about retiring, I REALLY don't think Childress is smart enough to think about it.

[Soodmeg]

Guys guys. Though I loved Culpepper. He sucks. He simply sucks.

Its like asking why Shaun Alexander doesnt have a job right now. Its because he is not good. You say you dont think Childress is smart enough? Look how stupid some of the management is on some teams. For example the Lions, if he was even remotely able to play the Lions would scoop him up with the quickness because they have a nact for signing really crappy players.

Culpepper sucks...he just does.

Some people simply cant not last in the NFL. To think that Randy Moss is still one of the top 3 WR in the league yet Culpepper cant even get a job? That says a lot.

[Demolition Man]

Culpepper's biggest problem has always been that he can't read the defense. So to think that he could "fit" in with the Patriots is one of the biggest jokes I've heard in a long time.

[pogipinoy27]

I think Calvin is emerging as the go to guy for Detroit.. Roy is always going to be there but his numbers will fluctuate.. I normally stay far away from anything Denver except QBs because Shanahan loves to screw fantasy football all up.. Marshall's numbers will fluctuate as well with the emergence of Eddie Royal.. not nearly as much as Roy Williams

Marshall is being touted as the next Owens. I agree that Shanahan likes being a fantasy tease, but it would be in his best interest to abuse the nuts out of Marshall.

[dafoomie]

Culpepper's game was mobility, throwing on the run, giving his receivers time to get open. He's about as mobile as Drew Bledsoe with that knee, he's done. He's not a pocket passer, he can't read defenses. And everyone knows it.

[DJSteel]

Culpepper's game was mobility, throwing on the run, giving his receivers time to get open. He's about as mobile as Drew Bledsoe with that knee, he's done. He's not a pocket passer, he can't read defenses. And everyone knows it.

wrong... in 5 (2000-2004) seasons in Minnesota.. 4 times he threw for over 3,000 yds (2004 - 4,717), never rushed for over 610 yds in a season...

[RAMSTORIA]

what do you guys think.

delhomme against minnesota or big ben against philly? steve smith is back this week and neither team has secondaries in the top 15.

[pimpinc333]

what do you guys think.

delhomme against minnesota or big ben against philly? steve smith is back this week and neither team has secondaries in the top 15.

I'd use Jake. Doesn't Ben have a messed up shoulder? He didn't do much against a weak Browns Secondary last week.

[pimpinc333]

wrong... in 5 (2000-2004) seasons in Minnesota.. 4 times he threw for over 3,000 yds (2004 - 4,717), never rushed for over 610 yds in a season...

Dafoomie is right. Culpepper was a beast when he had mobility. He would use his legs to scramble around and give his WR's time to get open. Without that Culpepper isn't much of anything.

Also actually rushing for 610 yards is pretty good as well.

[RAMSTORIA]

I'd use Jake. Doesn't Ben have a messed up shoulder? He didn't do much against a weak Browns Secondary last week.


yeah bens shoulder is hurt, keep in mind though it was terrible weather that game.

[DJSteel]

Dafoomie is right. Culpepper was a beast when he had mobility. He would use his legs to scramble around and give his WR's time to get open. Without that Culpepper isn't much of anything.

Also actually rushing for 610 yards is pretty good as well.

he might have escapability but he wasn't that mobile.. a mobile qb that relies on his legs doesn't throw for the yds and tds that Culpepper does...

[DJSteel]

what do you guys think.

delhomme against minnesota or big ben against philly? steve smith is back this week and neither team has secondaries in the top 15.

Big Ben.. it's just a bruised shoulder and minnesota's defense > philly's defense.

[pimpinc333]

he might have escapability but he wasn't that mobile.. a mobile qb that relies on his legs doesn't throw for the yds and tds that Culpepper does...

When I think of escapability I think of Romo and Favre. Culpepper had some serious speed for a QB and a guy of his size.

Who fits your bill of being a mobile QB then? The only person that I can think of from your logic is Vick.

[DJSteel]

When I think of escapability I think of Romo and Favre. Culpepper had some serious speed for a QB and a guy of his size.

Who fits your bill of being a mobile QB then? The only person that I can think of from your logic is Vick.

when I hear a scrambling QB I think of Vick or Young? those guys live and die on their legs.. No QB that relies on their legs could ever throw over 4,700 yds in a season..

Big Ben has escapability.. he is a pocket passer but he has a knack for escaping sacks...

[dafoomie]

wrong... in 5 (2000-2004) seasons in Minnesota.. 4 times he threw for over 3,000 yds (2004 - 4,717), never rushed for over 610 yds in a season...
Culpepper used his mobility to buy time for the secondary to break down. His biggest asset was always his athleticism.

He's the 4th QB in history to rush for 2300 yards in 4 years, he has the 4th best QB career rushing average in history, and he has the 5th most rushing TD's by a QB in a season. So yes, I'd say his mobility was a big part of his game. He doesn't have it anymore, he's done. He's not a guy that can stand in the pocket and read defenses, he never was.

There is a reason why the Steelers took Byron Leftwich over him, theres a reason why there are a million scrub QB's in the league and he's not. The whole league knows he's done.

[DJSteel]

The reason the Steelers took Leftwich was because Culpepper rejected the Steelers offer because he wanted a shot at becoming the starter..

[Soodmeg]

So who else is happy that the joke of a player named LDT career looks to be over. He cant stay healthy to save his live and he hasnt looked anywhere near at good as he did is 06.

Actually to be honesty. Why is it that all of LDT back up look way more explosive then he does? Sproiles (sp) Turner...both looked better then he does.

Also he is 29 years old and thats about when RB backs starts to decline and I think he will decline so fast it will make the leagues head spin. I give him 2 more years sucking it up on the Chargers before they try to deal him and he goes the way of Emmit Smith on a crappy team then retires.

[DJSteel]

So who else is happy that the joke of a player named LDT career looks to be over. He cant stay healthy to save his live and he hasnt looked anywhere near at good as he did is 06.

Actually to be honesty. Why is it that all of LDT back up look way more explosive then he does? Sproiles (sp) Turner...both looked better then he does.

Also he is 29 years old and thats about when RB backs starts to decline and I think he will decline so fast it will make the leagues head spin. I give him 2 more years sucking it up on the Chargers before they try to deal him and he goes the way of Emmit Smith on a crappy team then retires.

You looked to jumped the gun here just a bit.. it's only 2 games into the season..give him some benefit of the doubt until it is a definite that he is done.. no Larry Johnson might be a different story.. that is all performance.. but it's tough to figure out if the OL is really bad or LJ can't get through the gaps quick enough..

[DT778]

I'd think that he would retire before being traded being that he has stated that he is going to retire when his contract ends after the 2011 season. I doubt he would play for another team.

[Soodmeg]

You looked to jumped the gun here just a bit.. it's only 2 games into the season..give him some benefit of the doubt until it is a definite that he is done.. no Larry Johnson might be a different story.. that is all performance.. but it's tough to figure out if the OL is really bad or LJ can't get through the gaps quick enough..

I dont think I did. But granted I am biased beacuse I hate the guy so much.

But I have seen this for a while now. Even when LDT was considered the greatest of all time (:roll:) there were certain teams that could shut him down. I always felt that he was one of the few people that if you treated him like just another running back you could not only just stop him but make him cry like he always does.

Plus...his own back ups of recent years just look so much better than he does. And the fact that we see his back up as equally as we see him is a growing problem.


By the way I just saw a Brady Quinn ad? I forget he was even in the league. What happened with that all deal?

[DJSteel]

LT has bad games just like everyone else.. even Walter Payton had bad games... bad stretches even.. it's not anywhere near the level of Jamal Lewis.. where he runs pretty well on everyone but the Steelers..

[Mattte]

LT had around 130 yards at this point last year....and around the same right now. I doubt anyone is worried.

[RAMSTORIA]

lets do fantasy again.

flex wr/rb, should i start ryan grant or bryant johnson?

i have johnson in the spot right now, hes going up against detroit and i like the match up, especially after the way JT played last week. grant has a nagging hammy and has a tougher d to go up against in dallas.

[DJSteel]

play the match up.. Grant might not be fully capable of playing the whole game..

[pimpinc333]

lets do fantasy again.

flex wr/rb, should i start ryan grant or bryant johnson?

i have johnson in the spot right now, hes going up against detroit and i like the match up, especially after the way JT played last week. grant has a nagging hammy and has a tougher d to go up against in dallas.

Go with Johnson. The Cowboys don't give more then 65 yards on the ground to one back usually. That and Grant isn't that good IMO.

[Mattte]

And the fact that the Packers are probably going to pass the crap out of the football.

I'm debating on whether to start Antonio Gates or Tony Scheffler...I just know Gates is going to have a huge game the moment I switch him out.

[Chitown021]

I've got to choose two of these three backs to start this week: Michael Turner, Frank Gore, and Clinton Portis. I'm leaning towards Gore and Turner b/c they're playing crappy defenses in Detroit and KC.

In both my leagues I have Big Ben at QB but this shoulder thing in scaring me off. In on league I have McNabb as a backup and in the other I have Brett Favre and Trent Edwards as backups.

[pimpinc333]

I've got to choose two of these three backs to start this week: Michael Turner, Frank Gore, and Clinton Portis. I'm leaning towards Gore and Turner b/c they're playing crappy defenses in Detroit and KC.

In both my leagues I have Big Ben at QB but this shoulder thing in scaring me off. In on league I have McNabb as a backup and in the other I have Brett Favre and Trent Edwards as backups.

O yea go with Turner. Oakland rushed for like 300 yards against KC last week.

[Soodmeg]

Rant on

Seriously when will this end? When can I got through a single day without 5 hours be devoted to Farve and Rodgers. I just hate how they have to artificiality create all of these stories about him. I got it...he is a hall o fame lenged (a guy who I used to respect) but has a human he is a complete tool.

Fuck Farve. There is nothing there. He cried for 3 years then Green Bay actually grew some balls and said fuck off Brett your not going to hijack this team anymore then he went to a team that no one even cares about. And now he is acting like a completely pussy saying things like "oh when Rodgers has 18 great seson then he can call me." The guy just started his career be a man and wish him luck.

If you are going to report, report on how good Rodgers is doing, report on how he is managing games. But I really dont think anyone out side Jets fans give a flying fuck what happens to Brett.

Rant off.

Alright lets see here for FF. I am still really iffy on having Wes Welker or Roy Williams. I am have been trying to shop Williams and Harrison as a package deal for a Hine Ward level WR but havent got any bites.

Wes is going against the phins who suck in all reguards Roy is going against the 49ers but he is on the Lions. And you can never be sure what the hell is going on with the Lions.

I didnt get to draft for myself and I really got screwed in WRs.

As for RB I have Matt Forte who is going to get a lot of touches today but I also have Willi Parker and Bradon Jacobs.

Should I starte Willi Parker or Matt Forte? Parker seems obvious but he is going against a good defense.

[becuzimbrown]

For FF, Sproles or LT?

Micheal Bush or Darren Mcfadden?

[Soodmeg]

For FF, Sproles or LT?

Micheal Bush or Darren Mcfadden?

Bush and Sproles.

Darren is hurt so I think he will get limited touches this early in the season they are not going to want to lose him.

[Chitown021]

Yuck, the one early game I'm stuck with is KC - ATL... It looks like this game is so pathetic CBS isn't wasting a HD signal on it unless it kicks in once the game starts.

[Soodmeg]

That was a bullshit call against NE.

You can now sack a qb without actually tackling him? Just holding his waist is enough to warrant a sack?

Thats going a little to far in the safety book in my opinion, are we not actually playing football anymore? Maybe they should just go to 2 hand touch and call it a day.

[dafoomie]

That was a bullshit call against NE.

You can now sack a qb without actually tackling him? Just holding his waist is enough to warrant a sack?

Thats going a little to far in the safety book in my opinion, are we not actually playing football anymore? Maybe they should just go to 2 hand touch and call it a day.
Bullshit call... If thats a sack, the Giants don't win the Superbowl.

[senorwoohoo]

Damn, good play by the Phins.

[Soodmeg]

Bullshit call... If thats a sack, the Giants don't win the Superbowl.

Yeah. That was a complete crap ass call.

[Soodmeg]

HELL YEAH! Wes Welker with a great catch.

Come on NE in Cassell we trust baby!

[guyver2077]

what a game!! go dolphins

edit- dammit.. they need to stop those big plays

[senorwoohoo]

Man, the Pats are so awful today.

Sick block by the official though!

[Soodmeg]

Yeah, I guess Matt Cassell isnt as good as we hoped he was going to be.

He is not even looking like a fill in guy....looks more like a Tarvis Jackson. He needs to stop trying to get the ball to Gafney and go to welker and Moss more. Then need to run some plays for their actually play makers.


Good thing I am a titans fan first and a pats fan 2nd. At least the Titans are kicking ass.


EDIT: But its not even the offense really its the fucking defense. Man is it playing bad....why cant they figure out the fucking dive play? Its just a draw? Man I dont get it.

[guyver2077]

yes!!!

[senorwoohoo]

Man, the Pats are just not doing ANYTHING.

[pimpinc333]

Well I wish I started Ronnie Brown. He is beasting it up right now. 5 TD's.

[GuilewasNK]

Man, whoever has Ronnie Brown on their fantasy team is whoopin' ass today.

[Soodmeg]

Man, whoever has Ronnie Brown on their fantasy team is whoopin' ass today.


Problem is I bet you 90% of the people didnt play him.

I wish I wouldnt have started Wes Welker....really should have went with Roy Williams.

[senorwoohoo]

This is just awful.

[gofishn]

Beautiful performance by the Fins!

Garbage roughing the passer call on Vonnie Holliday by the way. That hit was clean. The NFL is getting ridiculous with how much they protect quarterbacks.

[Soodmeg]

Beautiful performance by the Fins!

Garbage roughing the passer call on Vonnie Holliday by the way. That hit was clean. The NFL is getting ridiculous with how much they protect quarterbacks.


Yeah that very thing cost the Pats a TD in the first QRT.


Damn cassell sucks ass.

[dafoomie]

I suppose your 2nd win in 22 games would be cause for a Gatorade shower. They'll go 0 for October though.

[Soodmeg]

Well, though it sucks that my team NE is not looking hot I am not that much of a douche bag to be excited for having a mix up at the top. It will make this season really interesting.


By the way.....Minny defense is fucking raping Carolina...they have like 6 sacks right now.

[senorwoohoo]

I hope the Giants can hold off the Bengals.

[primetime]

This Chicago game has been great.

[Soodmeg]

Damn 2 OT games at the same time?

Sweeeeet! I hope the G-men fucking lose for not handing the ball to Brandon Jacobs more. He is killing me.

[dafoomie]

The Miami announcers talked about how "spoiled" the Boston fans are because they booed the Pats today... They got booed because they deserved to be, the effort was simply not there.

[dmaul1114]

Raiders choke away a close game as usual, losing on a last second field goal in Buffalo.

Stupid Davis will undoubtedly fire Kiffin now.

[Soodmeg]

What the hell? God the NFL is full of snobs.

The nfl I swear is the only sport that screwed over its fans like this. Games get blacked out, games get cut short, they always seem to hire horrid commentaries. And I cant even watch an over time game. Bah!


Christ they suck.

[primetime]

Much better week of football to this point.

So glad the Bucs won :)

[GuilewasNK]

Problem is I bet you 90% of the people didnt play him.

I wish I wouldnt have started Wes Welker....really should have went with Roy Williams.

Yep. In one of my leagues I sat Wes and started Eddie Royal, Roy Williams and Steve Smith.

Unfortunately, in another league I had to pick either Matt Cassell or Philip Rivers and I went with Casell. That being said, I don't think Rivers is going to light the world on fire today anyway.

At least my Skins are finally getting their act together now.

[Soodmeg]

Yep. In one of my leagues I sat Wes and started Eddie Royal, Roy Williams and Steve Smith.

Unfortunately, in another league I had to pick either Matt Cassell or Philip Rivers and I went with Casell. That being said, I don't think Rivers is going to light the world on fire today anyway.

At least my Skins are finally getting their act together now.

Actually I think it was a good idea not to play Roy Williams. The lions are looking like complete trash right now.

2 or 3 fumbles, a couple sacks and they are loosing 21-3 already.

[Rocko]

Bucs win, Pats lose, and the Eagles are leading the Steelers (and I don't get to see it. :[)

Yay!

[Soodmeg]

Actually my real problem is this. I was debating all week if I should start Matt Forte over Willi Parker because philly d is mad sweet.

I wound up going with Parker has the safe bet. He still might break one but damn Matt Forte is looking better and better over 100 all purpose yards with a TD.

I knew it but wanted to give Forte just 1 more week to see if he was the real deal.



Edit:
Oh god Shannon Sharpe needs to get fired. He is one of the worst on that crew. His lisp makes him almost unbearable to listen to.

[Chitown021]

Dammit, for the second week in a row the Bears can't hold a 4th quarter lead. Oh and here we go with the McNabb injuries just in time to fuck my fantasy football team.

[GuilewasNK]

Edit:
Oh god Shannon Sharpe needs to get fired. He is one of the worst on that crew. His lisp makes him almost unbearable to listen to.

Yes.

I have been saying this ever since I first saw him on the air. He is just awful. Put him in a room with Michael Irvin and Terry Bradshaw and have them read to kids at school. It should prove amusing.

[GuilewasNK]

You know, looking at a head shot of Jay Cutler you would never think he was an NFL quarterback.

[GuilewasNK]

Rofl

[GuilewasNK]

The Eagles just played the "Oh No You Didn't!" theme from Mercenaries 2!

EPIC!

[SteveMcQ]

This stadium's cursed. Bring back the dome. AFC South rocks!

[senorwoohoo]

That Jags kicker is hilarious.

[GuilewasNK]

Man, Leftwich has the weirdest throwing motion I have ever seen.

[SteveMcQ]

That Jags kicker is hilarious.He has a certain Martin Grammatica to him doesn't he?

Man, Leftwich has the weirdest throwing motion I have ever seen.I know, he's got a catapult-like delivery.

[Soodmeg]

Man, Drew Brees just netted me 47 FF points by himself.

The Eagles game was crazy as hell. They were sending in blitzes like crazy!

[FriskyTanuki]

I figured when Denver went up 21-3 on NO that they'd give up that lead again.

Cleveland needs to put in Brady Quinn and see if he can give this offense a kick in the ass.

[senorwoohoo]

He has a certain Martin Grammatica to him doesn't he?

Ha, he sure does.

[primetime]

That was hard to watch.

[SteveMcQ]

Is anyone good at digging up answers to weird trivia questions, 'cause I wanna know a few:

1) What is the worst start a franchise (football and also all sports included) has had to open up a new facility?

2) What QB has thrown the most INTs for TDs? (I swear, almost all of Peyton's INTs look eerily similar. I thought Mathis was Samuel or Ty Law for a second.)

[RAMSTORIA]

i need rodgers to have a bad game tonight in both of my leagues.

after delhomme had that shitty game i was really mad that i went with him over big ben. but after watching the philly pitts game i guess my gut was right.

[sying]

He has a certain Martin Grammatica to him doesn't he?

I know, he's got a catapult-like delivery.

Hey its a blessing to win one on the colts, especially in their own stadium. Both the times Jags have done that is because of that kicker. so jump away little man.

Leftwich has a baseball throwing motion. Thats why Jags got rid of his as s

[Chitown021]

Hey its a blessing to win one on the colts, especially in their own stadium. Both the times Jags have done that is because of that kicker. so jump away little man.

Leftwich has a baseball throwing motion. Thats why Jags got rid of his as s

As long as he doesn't tear up his leg like Martin like that one year when he and his brother Bill got hurt celebrating.

[Mattte]

Man, Drew Brees just netted me 47 FF points by himself.

The Eagles game was crazy as hell. They were sending in blitzes like crazy!


Man, you scared me I thought Brees had some crazy awesome game I was unaware of, but I'm guessing the league you play in is 1 point per 10 passing yards?

Guy I'm playing has Brees...would've been a huge deficit, but I've still got Rodgers and Jennings tonight to but away my game for me :)

[Soodmeg]

Man, you scared me I thought Brees had some crazy awesome game I was unaware of, but I'm guessing the league you play in is 1 point per 10 passing yards?

Guy I'm playing has Brees...would've been a huge deficit, but I've still got Rodgers and Jennings tonight to but away my game for me :)

Yeah, thats how we play.

He tossed for 421 though and 1 TD.

What I cant figure out is how you throw for that much but only get 1 TD?

[guyver2077]

i guess i didnt know the rules to well in ff. does only your starting lineup get you points? my starters sucked ass this week

[pimpinc333]

i guess i didnt know the rules to well in ff. does only your starting lineup get you points? my starters sucked ass this week

Yes just whomever you start earns you points.

[Chitown021]

Way to go Packers. On a 3rd and 20 let Romo throw a 50yd TD... That probably put the nail in my FF coffin in one of my two leagues. Unless Favre goes for about 40 on MNF.

[winterice]

Yeah, thats how we play.

He tossed for 421 though and 1 TD.

What I cant figure out is how you throw for that much but only get 1 TD?
Didn't watch the game but I'd say it's bad red zone offense or rushing TDs.

[Demolition Man]

Well, though it sucks that my team NE is not looking hot I am not that much of a douche bag to be excited for having a mix up at the top. It will make this season really interesting.

If anything this loss should be something for the team as a whole to look over and learn on where improvements need to be done. I do want to see Matt Cassel do well. I will agree on that Matt needs to take some chances to Moss for instance. From what I've read Moss only had single coverage most of the game yet Cassel rarely threw to him. If Cassel could of gotten an deep ball or two to Moss yesterday then at least score wise the game might not look like a big blow out.

By the way.....Minny defense is fucking raping Carolina...they have like 6 sacks right now.

The Dome only got louder and louder upon each sack too. Vikes on offense looked very spotty during the first half. The second half was much better since Ferotte was starting to feel much more in sync with the rest of the team. If the Vikes can play as solid as they did during the second half against Carolina for the rest of the season then we could be on the verge of seeing one helluva Vikings team in the playoffs this year.

[DJSteel]

tis was a bad week for my ff teams

[pimpinc333]

Sorry to hear that DJsteel. It was a great week for me. Both my FF teams won. Cowboys won and the Steelers Lost. Couldn't get any better then that :D

[GuilewasNK]

The strange thing is that my auto-pick team is doing better than my live draft team. Although, the Brady injury has a lot to do with that.

[DJSteel]

Sorry to hear that DJsteel. It was a great week for me. Both my FF teams won. Cowboys won and the Steelers Lost. Couldn't get any better then that :D

it is a long season... and it was a crazy week... you cowgirls fans have such class...:applause:

[doubledown]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/11/25/sports/lions_fan.jpg

Cannot spell and poor grammar also...go Lions!

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0412/pg2_ap_lions_fan_195.jpg

[DJSteel]

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/11/25/sports/lions_fan.jpg

Cannot spell and poor grammar also...go Lions!

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/0412/pg2_ap_lions_fan_195.jpg

lol...the Lions are the one franchise I feel bad for.. they had the best running back in NFL history (arguably) and they could never get the players around him to make a good playoff run.. also it sucks to see them wallow in a league where you can go from worst to first in a matter of an off-season..

[ph33r m3]

Man....my Fantasy Team had an awesome week.

Picked up O'Sullivan before the season and started him...and BAM money.....The Inconvenient Truth was cash....

[GuilewasNK]

I still don't see how Matt Millen keeps his job. His must have nude pics of the oner's wife or something.

[DJSteel]

I still don't see how Matt Millen keeps his job. His must have nude pics of the oner's wife or something.

they have the same fool owners as the Pittsburgh Pirates that worry more about their pockets than making their team better

[RAMSTORIA]

i lost because i benched health miller, this couple of points would have done it for me. thats annoying.

on the bright side though, the 49ers are 2-1, the JTO era has begun!!

[Azumangaman]

VIKES WIN!
If we can stop the Titans rushing attack, it should be quite the victory.
Their defense is horrifying though.

[TheRock88]

I wonder whats in Ocho Cinco's email

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3174/2872073079_fb30346fdf_o.jpg

[pimpinc333]

it is a long season... and it was a crazy week... you cowgirls fans have such class...:applause:

Thank You. Seriously though it's really awesome messing with you Steelers fans. Soooooo easy to get you riled up :D. Funny thing I noticed while around town today. No one was wearing anything Steelers related or going around gloating about the Steelers. Was an awesome day.

[DJSteel]

i'm not riled up..i'm too much a football fan to let a steeler loss lose my faith and NFL fandom.. there are a lot of fair weather fans up in Erie.. it sucks you have to experience that.. it seriously made me despise the Eagles back when I was in college.. I know how you feel..

[Soodmeg]

I am winning by 20 points in my FF league but he has Gates who already has a TD.

Hopefully they take the foot off the pedal and just run the ball the rest of the game. I cant still win as long as Gates stays under 100 yards and scores less than 3 TDs.

[integralsmatic]

This is the first time in i dont know how long i can actually say:

it feels good to be in first place.

I know it may not last for long but i dont care. 3-0 and a comback win against the raiders. and i may take back what i said about them. They had us till the 4th quarter.

My FF team got killed because Braylon Edwards' hands are made of pure marble and Earnest Graham didnt get a touch at all with griese throwing over 67 times.

edit:
snaps>touch

[primetime]

i'm not riled up..i'm too much a football fan to let a steeler loss lose my faith and NFL fandom.. there are a lot of fair weather fans up in Erie.. it sucks you have to experience that.. it seriously made me despise the Eagles back when I was in college.. I know how you feel..

I'm actually somewhat happy with last night because of the way the defense played. I definitely think the game was a learning experience and they'll be better for it down the road when the schedule gets tougher.

[Soodmeg]

Guys. I am being serious when I say this.

I dont think Farve is going to last the entire year. I think his streak my stand because they will start him and then bench him. But he has lost that legendary aura that made it so people wouldnt unload on him. Yeah he got sacked but no one really blasted him.

Now. People are fucking Farve up almost every play. I just dont think he has it to last the entire season.

[ph33r m3]

I really wish I wasn't making this stuff up....but a pretty intense arguement went off in Raiderland....

Summary: Tim Kawakami (journalist in the Yay) asked Kiffin a Question.....a Raiders official called bullshit and this broke out....video's at the bottom of the article...

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2008/09/22/the-raiders-john-herrera-vs-me-in-front-of-the-cameras-today-well-that-was-fun/#more-1735

[DT778]

I know it was against the Lions but damn it felt good watching the 49ers kick ass like that.

[RAMSTORIA]

call me crazy, but i just traded randy moss for antonio gates in my ff league. the last two weeks just pissed me off to no end. two weeks in a row i lost by less than 10 points, 2 weeks in a row i started randy moss when i could have started another wr that would have made up the points.

i cant wait to see the 49ers beat the patriots in two weeks.

[Soodmeg]

I wouldnt call you crazy. I say unload as many Pats players as you can. With Cassell at the helm it might be fucking weeks before he gets in tune with the offense. You cant relay on that.

Though I will call your crazy as hell for trading him for busted up fucking Gates. Thats a horrid trade. Gates is already hurt and can be hurt again at anytime...he has also lost a good 3 or 4 steps and people are covering him easy. The game last night he was thrown to like 6 times and only caught 2 with jets defenders being all over him.

Only plus is that he is a like a number 2 red zone target. But overall I think that was a really bad trade.



On to me. I really need to find some more WR and quick. I also need a damn TE that will actually catch more than 1 pass a game.

Right now I am trying to make a trade for Larry Fitzgerald by trading Wes Welker, Roy Williams, Marvin Harrison. I think all 3 will be worthless this year and I hope I can snag a good WR while their stock is still up. Also someone dropped Chad Johnson...should I pick him up just beacuse?

[Mattte]

Damn...lost my game by .14 points. I honestly never knew stats didn't count on the two-point conversion, otherwise I would've had another sack and an interception and won my game (With San Diego's D).

[pimpinc333]

I wouldnt call you crazy. I say unload as many Pats players as you can. With Cassell at the helm it might be fucking weeks before he gets in tune with the offense. You cant relay on that.

Though I will call your crazy as hell for trading him for busted up fucking Gates. Thats a horrid trade. Gates is already hurt and can be hurt again at anytime...he has also lost a good 3 or 4 steps and people are covering him easy. The game last night he was thrown to like 6 times and only caught 2 with jets defenders being all over him.

Only plus is that he is a like a number 2 red zone target. But overall I think that was a really bad trade.



On to me. I really need to find some more WR and quick. I also need a damn TE that will actually catch more than 1 pass a game.

Right now I am trying to make a trade for Larry Fitzgerald by trading Wes Welker, Roy Williams, Marvin Harrison. I think all 3 will be worthless this year and I hope I can snag a good WR while their stock is still up. Also someone dropped Chad Johnson...should I pick him up just beacuse?

Yea I would pick Ocho up if you have soem space open or you can drop someone shitty to get him. The bengals offense will most liekly be back to it's usualy ways soon. They started to look way better Sunday against a strong Giants Defense. I can see Ocho doing big things soon.

[js1]

Finally,a flat out Chargers win! No nail bitter finish. No games decided on ref's calls. It was nice.

[js1]

I wouldnt call you crazy. I say unload as many Pats players as you can. With Cassell at the helm it might be fucking weeks before he gets in tune with the offense. You cant relay on that.

Though I will call your crazy as hell for trading him for busted up fucking Gates. Thats a horrid trade. Gates is already hurt and can be hurt again at anytime...he has also lost a good 3 or 4 steps and people are covering him easy. The game last night he was thrown to like 6 times and only caught 2 with jets defenders being all over him.

Only plus is that he is a like a number 2 red zone target. But overall I think that was a really bad trade.

I would say even with Gates being banged up, he still could end up having a better season than moss. If he gets closer to 100% anytime soon expect more balls thrown his way, especially with Chambers picking up the slack. I would say gates for the chargers is still the #1 option for the Chargers in the RZ when it comes to throwing the ball, with Chambers being a close #2.

[Soodmeg]

I would say even with Gates being banged up, he still could end up having a better season than moss. If he gets closer to 100% anytime soon expect more balls thrown his way, especially with Chambers picking up the slack. I would say gates for the chargers is still the #1 option for the Chargers in the RZ when it comes to throwing the ball, with Chambers being a close #2.

I agree. But I feel that the appeal of Moss should of warranted someone with no doubts.

I am just saying that he probably could have gotten someone a lot more consistent than Gates when trading Moss. I also think that Gates will have a better season but I think he could have gotten a little more out of it.

[doubledown]

I still don't see how Matt Millen keeps his job. His must have nude pics of the oner's wife or something.

Well, Bill Ford Jr finally came out and said that Millen should be fired, although it is Daddy's call...and senior is probably a bit senile.

[RAMSTORIA]

On to me. I really need to find some more WR and quick. I also need a damn TE that will actually catch more than 1 pass a game.



nate burleson and deion branch are both expected back for week 5 and are probably on your waiver wire

[pimpinc333]

nate burleson and deion branch are both expected back for week 5 and are probably on your waiver wire

Burleson is out for the season. I'm sure you meant Bobby Engram.

[RAMSTORIA]

Burleson is out for the season. I'm sure you meant Bobby Engram.

yup, my bad.

[doubledown]

For you fantasy people....a few KEY moves:

- Steve Slaton named "full-time" starter
- Marc Bulger benched for Trent Green
- Willie Parker out MONDAY....pick up Mendenhall ASAP!

[v1et r1ce]

Anyone think I should dump Harrison yet? He's just sitting on my bench. I got him very late hoping he would break out.

[doubledown]

Anyone think I should dump Harrison yet? He's just sitting on my bench. I got him very late hoping he would break out.

Depends, who would you dump him for? You never know when you MIGHT need him. He is basically the 3rd/4th option it seems these days....but I have a feeling Indy will break out eventually.

[pimpinc333]

Depends, who would you dump him for? You never know when you MIGHT need him. He is basically the 3rd/4th option it seems these days....but I have a feeling Indy will break out eventually.

Agreed. It's not just Harrison that is struggling. It's the whole team.

[RAMSTORIA]

find a team that has a weakness at WR, propose a trade, at least get something out of him instead of a waiver grab

[Soodmeg]

I feel you though. I have Marvin on my team as well and actually I think I am just going to let the guy go. He has such a decreased role in the offense now its becoming a burden to have him.

If he couldnt go for broke with Clark being out I dont see him all of a sudden getting more looks now that Clark is back.

Also, dont plan on anyone actually trading for him, there are enough good to great WR that are doing well in the league to go around. Thats the thing about WR, you dont need the biggest name to be effective with them. Deseaon Jackson has been killing people for me.

I say if you dont have the room (like me) drop his ass and move on. At least get a more consistent player at the postion.

[Soodmeg]

Here is something a guy in my league wants some WR.

I am going to offer Roy Williams, Marvin Harrison and one running back for his Reggie Bush.

Which running back should I offer. Matt Forte or Brandon Jacobs or hell even Willi Parker.

I still have Fred Taylor waiting in the wings and with Gerrad not playing well him and MJD are going to get a steady diet of rushes.

[doubledown]

MILLEN IS OUT!
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/09/24/millen-is-out/

[GuilewasNK]

Matt Millen has been fired.

It was just announced on Fox Sports Radio with Jay Glazer breaking the news.

[DJSteel]

about time..

[GuilewasNK]

Jay Glazer also broke news that Plaxico Burress has been suspended for two weeks.

[doubledown]

Jay Glazer also broke news that Plaxico Burress has been suspended for two weeks.


I saw that earlier

www.profootballtalk.com is the bible for football news it seems.

[Soodmeg]

YAY! GOOD BYE MATT.


Now lets see who they bring in...knowing the Lions they will bring in a guy who is as dumb as him anyway.

[DJSteel]

i hear Bobby Ross or Marty Morninweg

[GuilewasNK]

I saw that earlier

www.profootballtalk.com (http://www.profootballtalk.com) is the bible for football news it seems.


Never heard of them before, but I am a diehard listener of FoxSports Radio. The First Team and Out of Bounds are awesome shows. If you haven't heard them before they have free streaming radio on their site.

http://msn.foxsports.com/radio

[TC]

Until Ford Sr. becomes worm meat I doubt much will change.

Matt Millen has been fired.

[fart_bubble]

Here is something a guy in my league wants some WR.

I am going to offer Roy Williams, Marvin Harrison and one running back for his Reggie Bush.

Which running back should I offer. Matt Forte or Brandon Jacobs or hell even Willi Parker.

I still have Fred Taylor waiting in the wings and with Gerrad not playing well him and MJD are going to get a steady diet of rushes.

you're giving up way too much for Bush. Your essentially giving up 3 number 2s for one number 2 (Bush is too inconsistent to be considered a number one RB)

[RAMSTORIA]

you're giving up way too much for Bush. Your essentially giving up 3 number 2s for one number 2 (Bush is too inconsistent to be considered a number one RB)

agreed, make the trade just one of your WRs and only jacobs, then its worth it.

[smiggity]

Finally. What a great day in Detroit. Millen is finally outta here. Now we need Ford Jr to take over from daddy. Then shit will finally turn around. I feel like a new man.

[guyver2077]

i am last in my league in point scoring (0-3 record)

jesus i suck

I m thinking of benching derek anderson this week and starting trent edwards. Also plaxico was suspended so another star down. Picked up hilliard as a replacement. Someone beat me to getting lloyd or stuckey

[Soodmeg]

What? Roy Wiliams and Marvin Harrison wont do a damn thing this year. Having Bush will increase my already mighty point total by 25 even with his up and down play. Also you guys seem to forget that Marvin and Williams are completely up and down as well. And I guess I forgot to mention that just one of my starting WR has more points than all of them combined.

SLEEPERS BABY!!! ALL ABOUT THEM SLEEPERS!

I dont go by hope. Either your produce or you dont. Williams and Marvin havent and will not produce this year so having them is a waste. They haven't played once for me this year and I am 3 and 0 winning by at least 20 points each game.

I have matt forte, Willi Parker, Brandon Jacobs and Fred Taylor at RB. I am basically giving up Jacobs for Bush beacuse I wouldnt even play Harrison or Williams in the first place.

Pfft. Your talking to the FF king here. I have won the last 4 in a row. Hell I am undefeated right now winning by 20 points each game AND I DIDNT EVEN DRAFT MY OWN TEAM! (I had to work during the draft they drafted for me and trust me they tried to screw the shit out of me. I basically had to drop 90% of my team and pikc up people from FA)

[guyver2077]

give me some tips ff king (or anyone)..!! this is my lineup for week 4

Edwards, Trent (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=8346) QB BUF
James, Edgerrin (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=4652) RB ARI
Taylor, Fred (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=4259) RB JAC
Hilliard, Ike (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=3899) WR
Jackson, DeSean (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=8826)
Johnson, Andre (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=6339) WR HOU
Miller, Heath (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=7206) TE PIT
Gould, Robbie (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=7520) K CHI
DST, Dallas (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=10206) DAL

[RAMSTORIA]

give me some tips ff king (or anyone)..!! this is my lineup for week 4

Edwards, Trent (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=8346) QB BUF
James, Edgerrin (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=4652) RB ARI
Taylor, Fred (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=4259) RB JAC
Hilliard, Ike (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=3899) WR
Jackson, DeSean (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=8826)
Johnson, Andre (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=6339) WR HOU
Miller, Heath (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=7206) TE PIT
Gould, Robbie (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=7520) K CHI
DST, Dallas (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=10206) DAL

your rb core is your weak spot, anyone available on waivers?

[pimpinc333]

give me some tips ff king (or anyone)..!! this is my lineup for week 4

Edwards, Trent (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=8346) QB BUF
James, Edgerrin (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=4652) RB ARI
Taylor, Fred (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=4259) RB JAC
Hilliard, Ike (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=3899) WR
Jackson, DeSean (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=8826)
Johnson, Andre (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=6339) WR HOU
Miller, Heath (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=7206) TE PIT
Gould, Robbie (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=7520) K CHI
DST, Dallas (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=10206) DAL

Who's on your bench?

[guyver2077]

Who's on your bench?

Anderson, Derek (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=7389) QB CLE
Cassel, Matt (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=7406) QB NE
Williams, DeAngelo (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=7776) RB CAR
Burress, Plaxico (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=5037) WR NYG
Toomer, Amani (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=3516) WR NYG
Fasano, Anthony (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=7802) TE MIA

[Soodmeg]

give me some tips ff king (or anyone)..!! this is my lineup for week 4

Edwards, Trent (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=8346) QB BUF
James, Edgerrin (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=4652) RB ARI
Taylor, Fred (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=4259) RB JAC
Hilliard, Ike (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=3899) WR
Jackson, DeSean (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=8826)
Johnson, Andre (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=6339) WR HOU
Miller, Heath (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=7206) TE PIT
Gould, Robbie (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=7520) K CHI
DST, Dallas (http://fantasy.easports.com/football/reports/playerPage.asp?player=10206) DAL


Here is my advice you have to find out who is doing the best out of the FA in your league. Its not always about the big names. In fact big names mean jack shit its about who is producing whether its for one week then you drop them or for long term.

This is what a lot of people do wrong in FF. You have to look beyound just a big name and find people who are actually scoring points for you in your league. Dont get attached to people and let them string you along week to week while not doing anything. There are always guys in FA who are really good but never get picked up. Check and see how many yards and TD a person has.

Guys that I picked up from FA in my league after the draft (remeber I didnt draft myself)

Brandon Marshell (caught for 155 and 1 td)
Matt Forte (has scored 20 a game each and every game so far and 80% of the people didnt even know who he was in pre season)
Carolinas kicker (cant remember his name but he has the most points in my league so far)
Tony Shceffler (Broncos TE caught for 2 TD 2 weeks ago and is a big red zone target now for an offense that scores like 30 a game.)



(Thats why I dont care about Roy Williams and Marvin Harrison I dont care that they are number 2 guys...if they dont produce they are a waste because I have people who are producing right now they cant do anything sitting on the bench.)

Your RB core is fine and Fred Taylor is going to go off this week because they realize they can still win with the running game. Plus Gerrad is playing really bad right now so MJD and Taylor are going to get a heavy dose of runs trust me. Get rid of Ederrin james and pick up some like Chris Johnson or Matt Forte. Those guys are getting big yards and catching TD each week. Buckhealter is also going to be featured this week a lot and will be until Westbrook is back.


See if you can get a better defense than Dallas. Find one that is actually getting INT's sacks and TDs.


But DO NOT PICK UP MENNDENHALL! He will get killed this week vs the ravens. Dont be fooled. If you want pick him up and then trade him.

[RAMSTORIA]

Here is my advice you have to find out who is doing the best out of the FA in your league. Its not always about the big names. In fact big names mean jack shit its about who is producing whether its for one week then you drop them or for long term.

This is what a lot of people do wrong in FF. You have to look beyound just a big name and find people who are actually scoring points for you in your league. Dont get attached to people and let them string you along week to week while not doing anything. There are always guys in FA who are really good but never get picked up. Check and see how many yards and TD a person has.

Guys that I picked up from FA in my league after the draft (remeber I didnt draft myself)

Brandon Marshell (caught for 155 and 1 td)
Matt Forte (has scored 20 a game each and every game so far and 80% of the people didnt even know who he was in pre season)
Carolinas kicker (cant remember his name but he has the most points in my league so far)
Tony Shceffler (Broncos TE caught for 2 TD 2 weeks ago and is a big red zone target now for an offense that scores like 30 a game.)



(Thats why I dont care about Roy Williams and Marvin Harrison I dont care that they are number 2 guys...if they dont produce they are a waste because I have people who are producing right now they cant do anything sitting on the bench.)

Your RB core is fine and Fred Taylor is going to go off this week because they realize they can still win with the running game. Plus Gerrad is playing really bad right now so MJD and Taylor are going to get a heavy dose of runs trust me. Get rid of Ederrin james and pick up some like Chris Johnson or Matt Forte. Those guys are getting big yards and catching TD each week. Buckhealter is also going to be featured this week a lot and will be until Westbrook is back.


See if you can get a better defense than Dallas. Find one that is actually getting INT's sacks and TDs.


But DO NOT PICK UP MENNDENHALL! He will get killed this week vs the ravens. Dont be fooled. If you want pick him up and then trade him.

if marshall and forte were on the waiver wire after the draft then your league is whack

[Soodmeg]

if marshall and forte were on the waiver wire after the draft then your league is whack

A little bit. We play for cash money so people get really attached to big names.

Me on the other hand...I would cut fucking Tom Brady if his ass was producing. :lol:

[guyver2077]

not too many rb's available.. Le'Ron McClain is still available.

I also had the carolina kicker but waived him this week to pick up a wr. The giants kicker though i think has outscored him.

and damn andre johnson is due a big game.. shame just a good receiver hasnt done anything all year

[DJSteel]

Burress is suspended... for at least 1 game

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3606150

[Illini Jeeper]

As a Bears fan, I'm heartbroken at the news that the era of Millen is over. :(

[Young Deezy]

Burress needs to step up and stop acting like a little kid.

[integralsmatic]

Burress needs to step up and stop acting like a little kid.

he has been stepping up ever since the 1st game of the season. He just needs to show some decency and atleast call the team and let them know he has "family" problems. Thats all the Giants were asking for, and he broke it. His fault for not pickup a tiny cellphone and speed dialing Jerry Reese or Tom Coughlin.

Great....Roscoe Parrish out 4-6 weeks. Wonder if they will put McGee back in KR or PR.

[DJSteel]

He did the same stuff with Pittsburgh.. the only difference was that Burress never stepped up for the big games like he is in NY.. in fact Burress had a bigger gaff than DeShean Jackson where the Steelers were playing the Titans (I think) and he caught a pass over the middle, diving, never got touched and proceeded to get up and spike the ball. A Titan picked the ball up and almost scored. Burress has always done stupid things.

[Inf^Shini]

He did the same stuff with Pittsburgh.. the only difference was that Burress never stepped up for the big games like he is in NY.. in fact Burress had a bigger gaff than DeShean Jackson where the Steelers were playing the Titans (I think) and he caught a pass over the middle, diving, never got touched and proceeded to get up and spike the ball. A Titan picked the ball up and almost scored. Burress has always done stupid things.
Heh heh, hopefully Youtube has a clip of that, I'd love to see that

[Soodmeg]

You know I wish i could find that clip of when Aaron Brooks threw that pass backwards like 30 yards.

Shit was funny as hell.

[guyver2077]

]
Great....Roscoe Parrish out 4-6 weeks. Wonder if they will put McGee back in KR or PR.

I actually went to high school with him.. remember i had him in biology and when he was a cane

[pimpinc333]

You know I wish i could find that clip of when Aaron Brooks threw that pass backwards like 30 yards.

Shit was funny as hell.

I tried to find last week but cannot for the life of me find it. I really want to see that. If anyone knows where it can be seen, post up a link.

[DT778]

49ers are going to retire Steve Young's Jersey at halftime of the Patriots/49ers game a week after this Sunday.

http://www.49ers.com/pressbox/news_detail.php?PRKey=4673

[RAMSTORIA]

49ers are going to retire Steve Young's Jersey at halftime of the Patriots/49ers game a week after this Sunday.

http://www.49ers.com/pressbox/news_detail.php?PRKey=4673


good for him, he deserves it. im hoping to go to that game if my damn brother will just decide if he wants to go or not.

[v1et r1ce]

Well, I'm starting Rivers over Brees, and Jones-Drew over Westbrook this week. I don't know if I should put in Edwards in though. If I do, I would need to take out either Boldin, Jennings or D. Jackson. Any suggestions?

[Soodmeg]

Jennings. Take him out.

Jackson has hit a 100 2 out of the last 3 days and the Bears are 28th in pass defense they are sure to get burned at least 3 or four times.

[Mattte]

Edwards over Jennings?

No way, Jennings is going over 100 yards every game, and Rodgers throws to him a ton so he is bound to get a few touchdowns one of these days. Not to mention he had one stolen from him by James Jones against the Lions.

Even though I think Braylon Edwards if finally have a good game (I'm starting him at W/R, because of byes and injuries), there is no reason to take out a proven WR to put him in.

[Illini Jeeper]

Joey Harrington is a free agent... again. Poor guy is the definition of journeyman quarterback if there ever was one. He's like the Kenny Lofton of football.

[DomLando]

49ers are going to retire Steve Young's Jersey at halftime of the Patriots/49ers game a week after this Sunday.

http://www.49ers.com/pressbox/news_detail.php?PRKey=4673

Nice!

[pimpinc333]

Joey Harrington is a free agent... again. Poor guy is the definition of journeyman quarterback if there ever was one. He's like the Kenny Lofton of football.

Kenny Lofton was actually a decent MLB player though. Harrington is 3rd stringer at best.

[Chitown021]

Joey Harrington is a free agent... again. Poor guy is the definition of journeyman quarterback if there ever was one. He's like the Kenny Lofton of football.

He may become the next Rick Mirer. After he busted out (twice, once with the Seahawks then a second time when the Bears gave up a 1st round pick for him :wall:) he hung around the league for 12 years holding clipboards and collecting paychecks.

[Azumangaman]

I'm reeeeeeally looking forward to the Vikings-Titans game tomorrow.
It should really give me (and everybody else) a good idea of how legit the Vikings are.
I legitimately think we can pull it off though.

[DJSteel]

Harrington is 2 teams shy (at least) to Dave Krieg.. that guy played for like 6 teams