WTF is the "jasper"...?

[V4oLDbOY]

First time I ever heard of this was when Wonbat mentioned it. I googled it and only got a few small articles, and all they said was the its 65 nm instead of 90nm.

Is that it? Is that really going to solve the problems...?

[help1]

If you are specifically waiting for a smaller/newer chipset in hopes of a more reliable, just buy a warranty instead. Some people tried to wait it out ,too, and all they have lost is valuable gaming time.

[V4oLDbOY]

I actually found a long article on it and pretty much it says that it isn't going to solve the problem, entirely.

Besides aren't the new falcon ones supposed to be more reliable than before. Has anyone with the falcon gotten rrod yet?

[life.exe]

I actually found a long article on it and pretty much it says that it isn't going to solve the problem, entirely.

Besides aren't the new falcon ones supposed to be more reliable than before. Has anyone with the falcon gotten rrod yet? Yeah, but at a far lower failure rate than before.

[V4oLDbOY]

Well, is it work it to wait until august..or later from what I've seen? And if I were to get e falcon one now, and it rroded in december, would I get a jasper one or what?

So life.exe, has the failure rate for the falcon one gone way down. I mean if I have the 360 in the open and it would get good ventilation, would I be ok. Besides if it does rrod, I still got my ps3...

[help1]

Well, is it work it to wait until august..or later from what I've seen? And if I were to get e falcon one now, and it rroded in december, would I get a jasper one or what?

So life.exe, has the failure rate for the falcon one gone way down. I mean if I have the 360 in the open and it would get good ventilation, would I be ok. Besides if it does rrod, I still got my ps3...

I'd get it now, as summer is coming up and you can get on LIVE and play all the great games up until right before GOW 2 comes out.

Also, getting your hands on a Jasper is going to be a pain.

[Allnatural]

...has the failure rate for the falcon one gone way down. I mean if I have the 360 in the open and it would get good ventilation, would I be ok.
The falcons haven't been out for long, so any claims of higher reliability are purely speculative (but I'm hoping like hell that they're true).

According to Ben Heck (http://xbox360.qj.net/Ben-Heck-tests-Xbox-360-Falcon-cooler-than-2007-Zephyr-model/pg/49/aid/112801) the GPU of the falcons gets just as hot as in previous models. The jaspers will supposedly address that.

[paz9x]

so far so good with my falcon. ive had it for a few months. it seems to run quicker than the previous 4 360's ive had.

[V4oLDbOY]

So as a question, for everyone who has a 360 now and it rrods after the jasper comes out. Would they even get the new chip or what... That would piss a lot of people off if microsoft finally gets their shit together and newer 360 owners get a reliable system, while the older 360 owners keep rroding cause they keep getting refurbished 360s. Or what would they do...?

[CosmosTheMouse]

According to Ben Heck (http://xbox360.qj.net/Ben-Heck-tests-Xbox-360-Falcon-cooler-than-2007-Zephyr-model/pg/49/aid/112801) the GPU of the falcons gets just as hot as in previous models. The jaspers will supposedly address that.


I must have a magic Falcon then.
After hours pf playing it's nowhere near as hot as the original 360 model.

[xtreme_Zr2]

so far so good with my falcon. ive had it for a few months. it seems to run quicker than the previous 4 360's ive had.

OUCH! Spoken without a hint of bitterness though, I'd be thunderpissed if I was on my 4th box.

The Jasper is going to be just like the Falcon in terms of demand when it comes out. This past Christmas everyone was harping on about how the falcon was the be all, end all to the RROD, and yet still there are problems. People were taking their zephyr systems back in order to try and land a falcon.
Personally, just buy the extra warranty so you don't have to wait 3 weeks in case of a breakdown. I've had my Zephyr since Christmas and its been running like a finely tuned machine (knocks on wood). It is a shame though of the paranoia that runs rampant about the RROD.

[dmaul1114]

First time I ever heard of this was when Wonbat mentioned it. I googled it and only got a few small articles, and all they said was the its 65 nm instead of 90nm.

Is that it? Is that really going to solve the problems...?

The Falcon was 65nm CPU with still a 90nm GPU. Japser supposedly will have both chips 65nm.

Could help some as GPU overheating and popping off the board etc. is the main culprit of the RROD, and smaller GPU should produce less heat.

But I wouldn't reccomend anyone to hold off on buying a 360 in hopes that this will be a cure. Buy one and enjoy the games in peace knowing there's a 3 year warranty on RROD included if you have that problem.

[KingBroly]

So as a question, for everyone who has a 360 now and it rrods after the jasper comes out. Would they even get the new chip or what... That would piss a lot of people off if microsoft finally gets their shit together and newer 360 owners get a reliable system, while the older 360 owners keep rroding cause they keep getting refurbished 360s. Or what would they do...?

Microsoft would replace them with already broken systems. It's just like they do now. You're not guaranteed a quieter disc drive, a more reliable disc drive or cooler running chips. You are guaranteed to get new heatsinks, but that's about it.

[naiku]

from what i understand

Original 360 - hot as hell redrings often
Falcon - smaller cpu still redrings
Jasper - smaller cpu and gpu (hopefully under 70% failure rate)

[ITDEFX]

from what i understand

Original 360 - hot as hell redrings often
Falcon - smaller cpu still redrings
Jasper - smaller cpu and gpu (hopefully under 70% failure rate)

:hot: Whoa tell me where did you get that 70% failure rate? LINK? If it had a failure rate of that high, MS would be in deep shit.

[naiku]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=175137

from the cag poll cheapy set up it was ~70%

[rodeojones903]

:hot: Whoa tell me where did you get that 70% failure rate? LINK? If it had a failure rate of that high, MS would be in deep shit.

It has to be that high. Everyone of my close friends that has a 360 has gone through atleast 2 systems. That CAG poll if probably very accurate.

[munch]

In middle school we always called a jasper a silent fart that creeps up on people.

[Nephlabobo]

I will be waiting until the Jasper comes out, as it comes out around my birthday, and I can probably squeeze in either the 360 or some games out of it for free.

[silent h3ro]

:hot: Whoa tell me where did you get that 70% failure rate? LINK? If it had a failure rate of that high, MS would be in deep shit.Microsoft is in deep shit already.

[radjago]

Xenon - Launch unit, 90nm CPU, 90nm GPU
Zephyr - HDMI, added heat sink and revised motherboard.
Falcon - 65nm CPU, 90nm GPU
Jasper - 65nm CPU, 65nm GPU

The newer model you get, the more likely it will be more reliable.

[addicted2games]

Xenon - Launch unit, 90nm CPU, 90nm GPU
Zephyr - HDMI, added heat sink and revised motherboard.
Falcon - 65nm CPU, 90nm GPU
Jasper - 65nm CPU, 65nm GPU

The newer model you get, the more likely it will be more reliable.

Are there approximate dates to look for on each of these systems to figure out what processor I get back from MS after they repair it? Also for when I get a new one in the future, I would like to be able to tell if its a Falcon or better. Thanks.

[xtreme_Zr2]

If the sticker on the box and the console has 175 volt (175V), then its a falcon. Make sure you check the sticker on the console itself though because many people reported over Christmas that retailers were switching boxes with consoles, etc. to get rid of the older model systems.

The older zephyr systems have 203V on the box. As far as the jaspers go, who knows what they will operate at.

[CosmosTheMouse]

WTF is the "jasper"...?


http://content.ytmnd.com/content/d/e/4/de49adfbd82cf3544b3e7c89a2550f86.jpg

[silent h3ro]

lol, nice

[dastly75]

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/d/e/4/de49adfbd82cf3544b3e7c89a2550f86.jpg

Talking out of turn...that's a paddling. Looking out the window...that's a paddling. Staring at my sandals...that's a paddling. Paddling the school canoe...ooh, you better believe that's a paddling.

[insertcleverthing]

There's no way the 360 has a failure rate of 70%. -No freaking way. At most, I'd say 35%. I'd need some hard proof to see how anything over 50% could still exist on the market...

[V4oLDbOY]

A couple people mentioned, buying a warranty. Is there a way to get a warranty that extends the microsoft one, or what. Or are they just talking about a bestbuy one or something...?

[naiku]

pretty sure they are talking about a best buy warrenty. i assume its overlaps the microsoft rrod problem but in addition adds coverage for spilt drinks on the console :X

its probably not 70% but its well over 50% thats for sure. I personally know 6 people who own 360s & 5 of them had their consoles replaced.

[V4oLDbOY]

yeah, I know that the reliability is really high, maybe not 70%, but way up there. I really wish they would just come out and fully admit the problem and promise that they would fix it. When I read about this rrod problem, all the articles always quote microsoft, who claims the failure rate is like 15%. I only have one friend who ahsn't gotten the rrod and he got his for christmas, but the other 10+ people all have had it fail, one had it fail a few times and just sold the newest one he had, he didn't get much since hs warranty only had a year left on it. I wish I know if it will improve, rrod, because I originally wanted to get a 360, but after all this rrod stuff, I had to go with the ps3... Its ok though, 'cause the ps3 lineup should keep me happy until holidays when the new magical jasper comes out and then I'll put down the money...

[addicted2games]

I'm hoping whatever MS sends me back will last until the Jaspers come out.

[keithp]

I'm waiting on Jasper, or whatever revision it's called where I don't have to worry about a manufacturer's design flaw fucking up the console. If it's after the XBox360 drops to $99 when XBox720 comes out, so be it. I refuse to have to pay extra for a warranty when the manufacturer should have designed the damn thing better in the first place.

Screw "valuable gaming time". I have enough stuff for other systems to keep me busy.

If PS3 drops to a reasonable price before M$ gets their shit together, then they'll be the one who gets my hard-earned cash.

[V4oLDbOY]

I'm hoping whatever MS sends me back will last until the Jaspers come out.

I dont know why, but that sounds depressing... If the Jasper units were out right now, and they reduced the failure rate to under 10%, would you buy one even though you got a 360 already?

[dmaul1114]

A couple people mentioned, buying a warranty. Is there a way to get a warranty that extends the microsoft one, or what. Or are they just talking about a bestbuy one or something...?

They're talking about instore warranties. With the console you get a 3 year warranty on the RROD and a 1 year warranty on any other type of defects.

That was fine with me. Some prefer instore warranty so they can just take it back and get a new one at the store right away, versus having to ship it back to MS and wait a month or so for a replacement.

[V4oLDbOY]

They're talking about instore warranties. With the console you get a 3 year warranty on the RROD and a 1 year warranty on any other type of defects.

That was fine with me. Some prefer instore warranty so they can just take it back and get a new one at the store right away, versus having to ship it back to MS and wait a month or so for a replacement.

How much do they run, at the stores? Is it worth it? And if you had hat warranty and your 360 crapped out and it was a falcon one, would you get whatever the store had in stock, jasper if they had it or what?

[dmaul1114]

How much do they run, at the stores? Is it worth it? And if you had hat warranty and your 360 crapped out and it was a falcon one, would you get whatever the store had in stock, jasper if they had it or what?

Price varies by store, they're in the $30-40 range I think. Can get an extended one from MS for $50 as well.

When you take it back, from what people have posted most stores just give you store credit for the price you paid so you could check the shelves and pick up whatever model you want. Though I'm sure some stores probably just swap out with a new one rather than giving credit.

To me, it's not worth it as I can live without my 360 for 3-4 weeks to get it repaired for free by MS.

I never buy extended warranties on anything but Cars. Electronics I can live without for a while if they break, and I figure the money I save by not buying extended warranties on anything will be the same or more than I pay to replace the item that does eventually break.

[V4oLDbOY]

For me I see the store warranty as way around dealing with microsoft. I think it might be worth it to a few people.

[dmaul1114]

Fair enough. Though I'd say if someone is that set on not wanting to deal with MS they shouldn't support them by buying their console in the first place. :D

[addicted2games]

I dont know why, but that sounds depressing... If the Jasper units were out right now, and they reduced the failure rate to under 10%, would you buy one even though you got a 360 already?

Yeah I would buy a Jasper if its a lot better and be done with taking the chance of constantly shipping this console back to MS. This is my first time getting it repaired and I have heard multiple times that "fixed" units have broke too. I would definitely buy a more reliable machine and sell off the older unit for whatever I could get for it. I take care of my systems and when its not my fault the machine dies, that is just not right.

[evyrew]

I've been wanting to pick up a 360 for a long time now, so it looks like fall of 08 is going to be it for me. The Jasper revision sounds like it will finally reduce the failure rate to an acceptable level. The problem up to this point is that they really need to do an entire overhaul on the design, but they've probably spent most of their time working with the huge inventory they already have.

There is also speculation that the standard hard drive size will go from 20gig to 60 gig. If so, that will be great for all of the down loadable content available on Live.