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buterbals
04-18-2008, 03:03 AM
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Official Website: www.worldscollide.com (http://www.worldscollide.com/)
Achievements:http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/mortal-kombat-vs-DC-universe/achievements/

Character Renders:

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Screenshots:

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Arenas:

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XorpheusX
04-18-2008, 03:07 AM
This is quite possibly one of the strangest ideas I have ever heard.

freakyzeeky
04-18-2008, 03:09 AM
This is quite possibly one of the strangest ideas I have ever heard.

Even stranger than Darth Vader and Yoda in SoulCalibur IV... :-o

buterbals
04-18-2008, 03:24 AM
I just hope that they don't add any new characters for this MK. Instead stick with the classics, as DC has more established characters.

GodlyOne
04-18-2008, 03:35 AM
I just hear "you got your peanut butter in my chocolate" when reading about this on Kotaku. I'm a fan of Mortal Kombat and I also am a fan of DC so mixing them together might be great, haha. Marvel characters fighting Capcom characters probably sounded weird to people at first too.

RelentlessRolento
04-18-2008, 03:38 AM
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179994


close

buterbals
04-18-2008, 03:51 AM
http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179994


close

Well even if there is an existing thread in the General Discussion forums, this thread can be used to discuss the Xbox 360 version (even if there is little to discuss at the time).

RelentlessRolento
04-18-2008, 03:55 AM
the universe is already damn weird if this thing is real

Brak
04-18-2008, 04:01 AM
Creatively, it can be done, being that numerous realms are represented in Mortal Kombat...

Beyond that, I'm not sure it'll work.

We just want a straight-up Mortal Kombat title.

They could still make a good fighting game, out of this, I suppose... but I want that Mortal Kombat charm.

TrenoV
04-18-2008, 07:38 AM
If it plays like the crappy 3d MK games where you change fighting styles or whatever I won't even bother. Hope they do something with the combat so its actually fun to play again.

A Happy Panda
04-18-2008, 08:15 AM
No fatalities and little to no blood? Hmm...

I call shenanigans. I'm interested, and sorta want it to happen, but I won't be surprised if it's complete BS.

eswat
04-18-2008, 09:25 AM
All I can think of when I read this is #239 of VG Cats: http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=245

Get over here! Let's find a solution to our problem through meaningful dialogue.

Mrcapcom
04-18-2008, 10:49 AM
lol i just hope its not like the past couple MK games I want it to be like mk3 with upgraded gfx

The 7th Number
04-18-2008, 11:04 AM
I just hope that they don't add any new characters for this MK. Instead stick with the classics, as DC has more established characters.

Actually Boon said there would be a handful of characters that carry over....i dont know if he meant there would be new characters. But 20 of the 64 or whatever MK characters seem like a handful. This game better have at least 15-20 characters from each side or more.

This game isnt what i expected, and as a mortal kombat fan this feels so wrong. I cant see this being good for mk fans....most of them on MK boards are pissed off.

InuFaye
04-18-2008, 11:09 AM
I honestly can't believe it has come to this.

KaneRobot
04-18-2008, 12:09 PM
I would have rather had an original MK and not some crossover.
This.

BustaUppa
04-18-2008, 12:12 PM
If they released a 2D XBLA title to accompany this, it would be the most badass thing in years.

CouRageouS
04-18-2008, 01:09 PM
I haven't really played an MK since UMK3 so I'm not really a fan. I'm a huge DC fan though so this is just disappointing that Capcom didn't get the license to make a game. I would have been content if they slapped some DC characters on X-Men Children of the Atom and called it a day.

This is just bad. Rise of the Imperfects II?

LinkinPrime
04-18-2008, 01:17 PM
I'm down...but no blood + no fatalities is all kinds of fail.

ITDEFX
04-18-2008, 01:32 PM
wait what????!?!

Ok so we will never get a Marvel vs DC because the rights will be extremely expensive for the publisher so we get MK vs DC?

sendme
04-18-2008, 02:38 PM
No blood and no fatalities is a bad thing. They really need to change that. They were what made MK the game it was.

BustaUppa
04-18-2008, 02:41 PM
Haha yeah... I realize that Batman doing a fatality would be out of character, but the very fact that it's MK vs. DC means they're taking plenty of liberties already. They should go ahead and put some gore in there!

GodlyOne
04-18-2008, 02:46 PM
I've got a higher interest in MK vs. DC after just seeing the teaser trailer, still seems like a weird joke though.

InuFaye
04-18-2008, 03:01 PM
http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/xbox-360/news/mortal-kombat-vs-dc-universe-first-trailer/a-200804189373994062/g-20060321132945404017

ananag112
04-18-2008, 03:04 PM
Wow...this looks bad :(

plasticbathmonki
04-18-2008, 03:30 PM
Ok, we've seen Subzero and Batman. What about some other fair competition? I'll start:

Johnny Cage vs. Darkseid - Cage hits Darkseid with the shadow kick, irritating him. Darkseid performs a standard move and fatality in one move by obliterating Cage in one. Darkseid wins.

BustaUppa
04-18-2008, 03:33 PM
http://www.gamesradar.com/xbox360/xbox-360/news/mortal-kombat-vs-dc-universe-first-trailer/a-200804189373994062/g-20060321132945404017That's pretty cool if you can fight while free-falling between stages like that. Obviously we have to take teaser footage with a grain of salt though.

GodlyOne
04-18-2008, 03:43 PM
I think most people would much rather have had a Marvel vs. DC game being released but yeah, having the camera zoom into Fight Night style combat when you're up close with your opponent sounds pretty cool. There's a video interview with Ed Boon on Gamespot right now.

insertcleverthing
04-18-2008, 03:52 PM
Lame. What's next - Lego and Star Wars?! Wait...

OK, nevemind.

buzzcola
04-18-2008, 04:04 PM
why not lego kombat?

eswat
04-18-2008, 04:23 PM
why not lego kombat?At least then they would be able to keep fatalities, albeit very blocky ones.

insertcleverthing
04-18-2008, 05:09 PM
why not lego kombat?
SOLD.
Are they taking preorders?

InuFaye
04-18-2008, 05:14 PM
I wish mortal kombat would die.

PR Mega X
04-18-2008, 05:25 PM
I wish mortal kombat would die.

I think this team up is the last breath of the series.

InuFaye
04-18-2008, 05:27 PM
Thank you.

Americans can't make a fighter.

Its the truth.

buterbals
04-18-2008, 06:32 PM
Hmm well after watching the interview I might consider playing it if done right. By what Ed Boon said, Im assuming we will only see classic, popular MK characters. As long as Kitana is in the game Im good (or Li Mei).

KiLL3r
04-18-2008, 06:54 PM
Ugh, It's not a MK tittle without fatalities. This is not going to revive the series.

LinkinPrime
04-18-2008, 07:11 PM
I uploaded the youtube version incase anyone couldn't access the other one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTsfCfeGb0k

moojuice
04-18-2008, 07:18 PM
Strangely, I really want to play this.

bigdsinferno
04-18-2008, 08:05 PM
no fatalities = no purchase for me.

danked
04-18-2008, 09:06 PM
no fatalities = no purchase for me.

that about sums it up

retail sucks
04-18-2008, 10:26 PM
I read about this earlier and I just received an email.

From: Kung Lao klao@midway.com
Subject: Worlds Colide

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b1/cubicinch/xbox%20360/worldscollide.jpg

devildr1ver
04-19-2008, 12:12 AM
this game has the potential to be either great (i really doubt it) or incredibly bad (more than 60% chance)

captainfrizo
04-19-2008, 12:46 AM
Wow, and here I thought Yoda and Darth Vader are really out of place in Soul Calibur 4.

I'll be skipping MK vs. DC.

-Never4ever-
04-19-2008, 01:09 AM
So weird.

I'm a huge MK fan, and even I think this is a serious mistake.

CouRageouS
04-19-2008, 01:12 AM
That trailer makes me sad. Didn't Marvel Nemesis teach anyone anything?!?!

Littlefields
04-19-2008, 01:15 AM
I guess they're trying for a Marvel VS. Capcom kind of thing?

NJMane
04-19-2008, 01:17 AM
NO FATALITIES!!! Im sorry but a Mortal Kombat game without fatalities is just retarded. Thats what a Mortal Kombat game is. I will maybe rent it at best. I was so hoping for a new Mortal Kombat game.

guyver2077
04-19-2008, 01:20 AM
im sooo fukkin pumped for this.. i love alternate universe type of storylines...

and mk rules! if this is was sf vs dc, everyone on here would jump for joy with a hard on

it would of been cool though if they would of gone back to 2d for this "crossover" game

InuFaye
04-19-2008, 03:56 AM
im sooo fukkin pumped for this.. i love alternate universe type of storylines...

and mk rules! if this is was sf vs dc, everyone on here would jump for joy with a hard on

it would of been cool though if they would of gone back to 2d for this "crossover" game


Maybe because Street Fighter is a well respected franchise with legitmate games based on a solid fighting engine.

Mortal Kombat was a game that worked in the mid 90s because of the shock factor. Without the shock factor Mortal Kombat can't stand on just its fighting engine.

buterbals
04-19-2008, 04:09 AM
Well the official website, www.worldscollide.com (http://www.worldscollide.com), has been updated a bit. Nothing new, except that when you click on Sub-Zero's eye it pops up a different screen with 16 question marks. I wonder if that means there will only be 16 playable characters.

A Happy Panda
04-19-2008, 04:11 AM
Maybe because Street Fighter is a well respected franchise with legitmate games based on a solid fighting engine.

Mortal Kombat was a game that worked in the mid 90s because of the shock factor. Without the shock factor Mortal Kombat can't stand on just its fighting engine.

I always enjoyed the Kombo (yeah I did it) system in MKII and MKIII. But yes, SF trounces the series.

The 7th Number
04-19-2008, 04:47 AM
At first i was completely mad about this, but im trying to see the positives of this game. I just cant think of many DC characters that are actually cool. But i dont read comics and could only name a few off the top of my head. Most of the cool comic characters are with marvel.

Here is some information i gathered from some interviews and videos.

Midway Gamersday Presentation (april 18, 08)
- MK warriors battle DC Heroes for the first time ever.
- Two all-new fighting mechanics - FreeFall Kombat and Klose Kombat.
- Klose Kombat is a brutal up close fighting mechanic, with damaged and torn clothing.
- FreeFall Kombat allows characters to throw people off buildings, through buldings, fighting on their way transitioning to the next area.
- Signature attacks for all MK and DC characters.
- First video game mash-up for either franchise.
- Jimmy Palmiotti and Justin Gray, helped with the mortal kombat team to write the story mode.

TRMK Interview (april 18, 08)
- DC writers helped authenticate the DC charaters phrases, reactions.
- Superman has two weaknesses, kryptonite and magic.
- Netherrealm and Outworld are mentioned as places Superman could be vulnerable.
- Characters are over 20,000 polygons.
- No multiple fighting styles.
- No weapons.
- No Puzzle Kombat or Motor Kombat.
- Single player story mode is in, but its not like the konquest mode.

Mortal Kombat Online Interview (april 18, 08)
- Boon is unsure if the story will be cannon, will decide when they start making Mortal Kombat 9.
- Both heroes and villians will be in the game for each brand.
- Fighting Styles are not in the game.
- Fatalities wont be in the game, but finishing moves will.
- Midway wants the game to be rated Teen, but will try to push it to the limit so its 1 step away from Mature rating.
- Game will be playable at E3.

Gamespot Inteview (april 18, 08)
- Two different perspectives in story mode.
# A story takes place in the mortal kombat world with the invasion of DC characters.
# A story takes place in the DC universe and has an invasion of the Mortal Kombat Characters.
- Some cataclysmic event happens, it causes a merger of the worlds, creates a lot of weird circumstances.
- Jimmy Palmiotti and Justin Gray, both writers for DC universe, helped craft the whole story and how the DC characters would react to the situation.
- No Stage fatalities.

buterbals
04-19-2008, 06:14 AM
At first i was completely mad about this, but im trying to see the positives of this game. I just cant think of many DC characters that are actually cool. But i dont read comics and could only name a few off the top of my head. Most of the cool comic characters are with marvel.

Here is some information i gathered from some interviews and videos.

Thanks for the info, added it to the OP.

greyzieoriental
04-19-2008, 07:26 AM
shouldve just handed DC to capcom, i wouldnt mind DC vs capcom, only thing is DC doesnt have as many characters that are as known as marvel, shit i can only name a few off the top of my head

prisonerac
04-19-2008, 07:45 AM
Not a huge MK fan, but I am a sucker for some DC characters. Count me in as long as the fighting system is not as stiff as the previous installments. Trailer makes it look like it is smoother, and batman is a badass. Mid-air fighting sounds decent too.

lilboo
04-19-2008, 08:37 AM
I'm not sure how I feel about this, but I can't WAIT to be Sonya and beat the shit outta Wonder Woman.

integralsmatic
04-19-2008, 09:11 AM
dam no fatalities?

dam and i really wanted to throw a ice grenade in superman's chest....

seanr1221
04-19-2008, 09:50 AM
I'll atleast rent it.

sendme
04-19-2008, 12:20 PM
I think people are mad about this games lack of the fatalities. From the video it looks like it does have blood. I normaly would just say "meh" to this and not care but from what I keep reading if it is lacking them that is what made MK what it is you can not take them from the game and have the same game. I don't think DC fits in with MK but will still give it a try.

jman619
04-19-2008, 03:09 PM
I wish it would have been snk vs dc or marvel vs dc or something along those lines. I love the old mortal kombat games. I don't much care for the newer 3d ones. I might rent it if that.

help1
04-19-2008, 05:26 PM
I'm down...but no blood + no fatalities is all kinds of fail.

Agreed. :cry:

I'd love to see Batman kill Superman!

ryosnk
04-20-2008, 01:21 AM
Heck they got us talking about a weird mix of properties and I sure enjoy my dc and mortal kombat so I'm not complaining.

Theduck
04-20-2008, 02:58 PM
Damn, I cannot wait to play this. Just give me Hal Jordan and I will more than buy the game willingly.

Keep the updates coming! =)

Greetard
04-20-2008, 03:58 PM
It sounds like they're fixing their mis-steps with the previous 3D MKs. I'm cautiously optimistic about this one.

Maybe because Street Fighter is a well respected franchise with legitmate games based on a solid fighting engine.

Mortal Kombat was a game that worked in the mid 90s because of the shock factor. Without the shock factor Mortal Kombat can't stand on just its fighting engine.

Mortal Kombat has one of the best continuing storylines of all fighting franchises. It's right up there with Tekken. While I realize that story isn't as important in a fighting game than other genres, it definitely counts for something.

buterbals
04-20-2008, 06:50 PM
Mortal Kombat has one of the best continuing storylines of all fighting franchises. It's right up there with Tekken. While I realize that story isn't as important in a fighting game than other genres, it definitely counts for something.

I Agree, which is why Ive been a fan of MK for a very long time.

Assuming that there is only 24 characters, I would like some of the following characters to be in the game:

MK:

- Baraka
- Cyrax
- Frost
- Jade
- Johnny Cage
- Kabal
- Kitana
- Li Mei
- Mileena
- Scorpion (Confirmed)
- Sonya
- Sub-Zero (Confirmed)

DC:

- Aquaman
- Batman (Confirmed)
- Catwoman
- Flash
- Green Arrow
- Green Lantern
- Harley Quinn
- Joker
- Poison Ivy
- Scarecrow
- Superman (Confirmed)
- Wonder Woman

Kayden
04-20-2008, 07:12 PM
Can we please have the sprites back?

retail sucks
04-20-2008, 08:48 PM
Assuming that there is only 24 characters, I would like some of the following characters to be in the game:

MK:

- Baraka
- Cyrax
- Frost
- Jade
- Johnny Cage
- Kabal
- Kitana
- Li Mei
- Mileena
- Scorpion (Confirmed)
- Sonya
- Sub-Zero (Confirmed)

DC:

- Aquaman
- Batman (Confirmed)
- Catwoman
- Flash
- Green Arrow
- Green Lantern
- Harley Quinn
- Joker
- Poison Ivy
- Scarecrow
- Superman (Confirmed)
- Wonder Woman

Don't forget Kung Lao. I received an email for Worlds Collide and it was from him. I guess kind of a hint he's in the mix.

Theduck
04-20-2008, 08:57 PM
From what I can tell from that box with Q marks on em, we're only getting 16 characters.

buterbals
04-20-2008, 09:52 PM
Updated OP with the following image: (Noob.com)

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3365/bloodde6.jpg

I guess its just to let everyone know that it will indeed contain blood, as thats what the message at the bottom reads.

Scorch
04-20-2008, 10:03 PM
NIIIICE, I like how he delivered the message!

tokitoki50
04-20-2008, 10:07 PM
I really don't know about this game. I'm not a fan of DC and MK was always kind of dull. I'll stay informed though.

buterbals
04-20-2008, 10:08 PM
Another update to the OP comes from VideoGamer.com:

"Every single character is a known DC character, a known MK character. Because they're so iconic, we don't feel like we want to do the huge, massive roster. We just focus in on these core 20 characters".

That comes from Ed Boon...

Greetard
04-20-2008, 10:34 PM
I'm calling it now:

- Batman
- Catwoman
- Darkseid
- Death Stroke
- Green Lantern
- Lex Luthor
- Martian Manhunter
- Joker
- Superman
- Wonder Woman

Honors: Doomsday, The Flash, Solomon Grundy, Lobo & Catwoman

Although Constantine and V would fit in great if they're using Vertigo comics.

Theduck
04-21-2008, 12:26 AM
Quality, Not Quantity.

This needs needs Blue and Gold.

anomynous
04-21-2008, 12:31 AM
there will be blood.....

So there will be fatalities?

Monsta Mack
04-21-2008, 12:34 AM
there will be blood.....

So there will be fatalities?

Simple deduction of them wanting this to be "T" for Teen means no unfortunately.

akilshohen
04-21-2008, 12:58 AM
Jax vs Steel

Owen
04-21-2008, 01:50 AM
DC will not allow you to rip off Superman's head and beat him with it, so that is why there is no fatalities. The rating has nothing to do with it.

-Never4ever-
04-21-2008, 04:00 PM
I'm thinking:

MK:
1) Sub-Zero
2) Scorpion
3) Lui Kang
4) Reptile
5) Kano
6) Johnny Cage
7) Kung Lao
8) Sonya Blade
9) Goro BOSS CHARACTER
10) Shao Khan BOSS CHARACTER

DC:
1) Batman
2) Superman
3) Wonder Woman
4) Green Arrow
5) Green Latern
6) Joker
7) Steel
8) Super Girl
9) Doomsday BOSS CHARACTER
10) Darkseid BOSS CHARACTER

The way I figure it, if you go through story as an MK character, you face the DC bosses and vice versus. Or even better, you face a combination of the two.

The 7th Number
04-21-2008, 04:17 PM
Goro
Shao Kahn
Baraka
Sub Zero
Scorpion
Liu Kang
Shang Tsung
Raiden
Sonya
Mileena/Kitana

That would be my guess as most popular characters. They need at least 2 females. I really hope Quan Chi is in. But i cant see who i would take out.

Chase
04-21-2008, 04:17 PM
No Deathstroke, no buy. Same with Sinestro, and possibly Orion. Red Tornado is also a must. The Question would be godly good.

But yes...

I understand why they removed Fatalities (to preserve the image of DC Comics's characters), but, simply, a Mortal Kombat game is not a Mortal Kombat game without Fatalities.

PhoenixT
04-21-2008, 05:39 PM
DC will not allow you to rip off Superman's head and beat him with it, so that is why there is no fatalities. The rating has nothing to do with it.

Its a pity to because if I could do that I'd buy the game in hopes theres a practice mode to where I could do it over and over again <_<...not a huge Superman fan *cough*.

akilshohen
04-21-2008, 08:30 PM
you don't think there would be anyone from the newer 3-d MK's? I just really want Li Mei back, the most playable character in those games
http://kotaku.com/382078/mortal-kombat-vs-street-fighter-kind-of-almost-happened

buterbals
04-21-2008, 11:47 PM
you don't think there would be anyone from the newer 3-d MK's? I just really want Li Mei back, the most playable character in those games
http://kotaku.com/382078/mortal-kombat-vs-street-fighter-kind-of-almost-happened

I think that maybe 2 will be from the newer characters, specially if there will only be 10 characters from MK. I also really want Li Mei in the game or Tanya but I highly doubt we will see them. Who knows though... I just wouldnt be surprised to see Sonya and Kitana back, so to even things out they might try and add another female from the evil side of things.

Theduck
04-22-2008, 12:38 AM
New interview. http://www.gametrailers.com/player/33096.html

akilshohen
04-22-2008, 01:02 AM
I think that maybe 2 will be from the newer characters, specially if there will only be 10 characters from MK. I also really want Li Mei in the game or Tanya but I highly doubt we will see them. Who knows though... I just wouldnt be surprised to see Sonya and Kitana back, so to even things out they might try and add another female from the evil side of things.

Tanya was evil the whole time, but they'd prolly put millenia in there instead of her anyway. For some reason I get a feeling that if Li Mei isn't in there, Wonder Woman will get her move set, it's almost a perfect fit for how I'd imagine her in a fighting game. I'm thinking the female characters are gonna get gimped in this game

CouRageouS
04-22-2008, 01:27 AM
Jax vs Steel
:rofl: Jax vs Green Lantern (John Stewart aka the black one) is more like it. Steel hasn't been the same since Shaq fuck'd his character up in the movie. One character I'd kill for would be Nightwing. Bonus points if he has an Eskrima fighting style since Batman will likely have his gadgets.

This may have had more appeal if it was just a straight DC fighting game. Making it MK doesn't really add value to it, it adds curiousity. Most of us are only paying attention to the DC part. If it was marketed as a DC game from the makers of MK, then they might have a better stew going. Seems they're thinking "Oh Marvel Vs Capcom worked! It'll work for us too!". They should have tried a DC fighting game first. Then if it worked try a VS title later down the line. Like Capcom had hits with X-Men CoTA and Marvel Super Heroes. Then they had a hit with X-Men Vs Street Fighter and so on. Now thats a formula to follow.

I also like how Boon claims they were in talks for a MK vs Street Fighter game. Yeah right. I'm sure the Japanese fighting giant wants to collaborate with them. Some of the comments here are funny.
http://kotaku.com/382078/mortal-kombat-vs-street-fighter-kind-of-almost-happened

buterbals
04-22-2008, 01:27 AM
Tanya was evil the whole time, but they'd prolly put millenia in there instead of her anyway. For some reason I get a feeling that if Li Mei isn't in there, Wonder Woman will get her move set, it's almost a perfect fit for how I'd imagine her in a fighting game. I'm thinking the female characters are gonna get gimped in this game

Well Wonder Woman would end up getting a whole new move set as Ed Boon states that they have all been created from the ground up, so its completely new.

As for Mileena, I also see her being in the game instead of Li Mei, but Im not sure they would ignore any of the other females after MK2. At least Li Mei has been around since MK Deadly Alliance.

Undertaker4eber
04-22-2008, 02:30 AM
If there are only 10 MK characters I see them being the following:

1. Sub-Zero
2. Scorpion
3. Raiden
4. Liu Kang
5. Sonya
6. Jax
7. Kung Lao
8. Kitana
9. Johnny Cage
10. Kano

Sub Boss: Shang Tsung or Goro
Boss: Shao Kahn

Or they could replace Cage, Kano, Kitana, and Jax with Reptile, Noob, Smoke and Mileena

Dyson
04-22-2008, 02:56 AM
I would think it would look like this, if its 10 per side including 2 enemies/bosses

MK
1) Sub Zero
2) Scorpion
3) Liu Kang
4) Raiden
5) Kano
6) Sonya
7) Cage
8) Kitana
9) Shang Tsung
10) Shao Khan

DC
1) Batman
2) Superman
3) Green Lantern
4) Flash
5) Green Arrow
6) Wonder Woman
7) Supergirl
8) Martian Manhunter
9) Joker
10) Darkseid

Kayden
04-22-2008, 12:44 PM
No love for Doomsday? Hed be a great boss.

KaneRobot
04-22-2008, 04:15 PM
I'll take a stab at it...

1. Sub-Zero
2. Scorpion
3. Raiden
4. Shang Tsung
5. Jax
6. Quan Chi
7. Noob Saibot
8. Sonya
9. Baraka
10. Shao Khan (boss)

1. Superman
2. Batman
3. Green Lantern
4. Wonder Woman
5. Steel
6. Sinestro
7. Nightwing
8. Flash
9. Deathstroke
10. Darkseid (boss)

akilshohen
04-22-2008, 04:20 PM
Well Wonder Woman would end up getting a whole new move set as Ed Boon states that they have all been created from the ground up, so its completely new.
As for Mileena, I also see her being in the game instead of Li Mei, but Im not sure they would ignore any of the other females after MK2. At least Li Mei has been around since MK Deadly Alliance.
yeah, but they already lied IMO. How can you have a vs game with only 2 known characters and kill off the rest?
:rofl: Jax vs Green Lantern (John Stewart aka the black one) is more like it. Steel hasn't been the same since Shaq fuck'd his character up in the movie. One character I'd kill for would be Nightwing. Bonus points if he has an Eskrima fighting style since Batman will likely have his gadgets.

I was just talking about the metal arms.

It was so hilarious in class today. This guy mentions how MKvsDC will have fatalities, sounding pretty much like a casual gamer, saying it will be awesome, then someone said there would be no fatalities and his whole face changed

Chase
04-22-2008, 04:42 PM
:rofl: Jax vs Green Lantern (John Stewart aka the black one) is more like it. Steel hasn't been the same since Shaq fuck'd his character up in the movie. One character I'd kill for would be Nightwing. Bonus points if he has an Eskrima fighting style since Batman will likely have his gadgets.

This may have had more appeal if it was just a straight DC fighting game. Making it MK doesn't really add value to it, it adds curiousity. Most of us are only paying attention to the DC part. If it was marketed as a DC game from the makers of MK, then they might have a better stew going. Seems they're thinking "Oh Marvel Vs Capcom worked! It'll work for us too!". They should have tried a DC fighting game first. Then if it worked try a VS title later down the line. Like Capcom had hits with X-Men CoTA and Marvel Super Heroes. Then they had a hit with X-Men Vs Street Fighter and so on. Now thats a formula to follow.

I also like how Boon claims they were in talks for a MK vs Street Fighter game. Yeah right. I'm sure the Japanese fighting giant wants to collaborate with them. Some of the comments here are funny.
http://kotaku.com/382078/mortal-kombat-vs-street-fighter-kind-of-almost-happened

A Street Fighter styled Mortal Kombat vs. Street Fighter game would be neat. A Mortal Kombat styled Mortal Kombat vs. Street Fighter game would be a mess.

Deadpool
04-22-2008, 05:52 PM
I would have been content if they slapped some DC characters on X-Men Children of the Atom and called it a day.


Ah... what a perfect game. I remember losing a year of my life to that game in the arcades. Iceman destroys all!

buterbals
04-22-2008, 06:27 PM
These are the current standings based on popularity votes received:

MK:

Sonya (6)
Johnny Cage (4)
Kitana (4)
Lui Kang (4)
Shao Khan (4)
Raiden (4)
Baraka (3)
Kano (3)
-----------------------
Shang Tsung (3)
Goro (2)
Jax (2)
Kung Lao (2)
Li Mei (2)
Mileena (2)
Cyrax (1)
Frost (1)
Jade (1)
Kabal (1)
Noob Saibot (1)
Reptile (1)
Quan Chi (1)

DC:

Green Lantern (5)
Wonder Woman (5)
Darkseid (4)
Joker (4)
Flash (3)
Green Arrow (3)
Catwoman (2)
Death Stroke (2)
-------------------------------
Martian Manhunter (2)
Steel (2)
Super Girl (2)
Aquaman (1)
Doomsday (1)
Harley Quinn (1)
Lex Luthor (1)
Nightwing (1)
Poison Ivy (1)
Scarecrow (1)
Sinestro (1)

lilboo
04-23-2008, 10:28 PM
I still don't understand this.
Fatalities/Blood is a trademark to Mortal Kombat.

It's like a Mario game without a mushroom.

Well, as long as Sonya and Wonder Woman are in this game.. I'll try it out.

CouRageouS
04-24-2008, 10:09 PM
Well, as long as Sonya and Wonder Woman are in this game.. I'll try it out.
Oh boy, they're gonna scissor!

Ah... what a perfect game. I remember losing a year of my life to that game in the arcades. Iceman destroys all!
It was all about Ry.... Cyclops! GENE SPLICE!

akilshohen
04-25-2008, 12:46 AM
put a second vote in for Li Mei

buterbals
05-08-2008, 11:09 PM
Midway has just released a new render of Scorpion. Updated the OP with the image.

I really like his new look. Im glad he doesn't look like a huge plastic action figure as in the past recent games.

A Happy Panda
05-09-2008, 12:27 AM
Anyone else think that's kind of a shitty render? The design is cool...but IDK, I was actually going to say the colors make it look like an action figure to me.

akilshohen
05-09-2008, 12:30 AM
they just put in some unnecessary details. IMO

Kayden
05-09-2008, 01:16 AM
Everything looks better with the unnecessary shine of normal mapping!

buterbals
05-19-2008, 01:54 PM
Updated OP with Concept Art of "Hell" and "Metropolis"

buterbals
06-04-2008, 03:15 PM
Updated OP with Batman render.

Owen
06-04-2008, 04:10 PM
They should have kept Batman more like the comic rather than give him an armor like outfit. Still this outfit would have been great for the Nolan movies since it is closer to the comic design.

buterbals
06-04-2008, 09:14 PM
Added to the OP a list of a few characters which a guy from DC claims to be in the game. Including a link to the interview.

CouRageouS
06-05-2008, 12:01 AM
Power Girl? Guess they wanted to work on their titty jiggling rendering.

Where's Nightwing at?

vihit
06-05-2008, 12:11 AM
Robin is Tim Drake. Unless they're making Dick Grayson or Jason Todd Robin in the game. That would make no sense cause they both have their own personas in Nightwing and the Red Hood.

ricoraney
06-05-2008, 12:18 AM
Even stranger than Darth Vader and Yoda in SoulCalibur IV... :-o
Darth Vader and Yoda in SC IV isn't that strange, even at first mention. And as time progresses the idea grows on you. But this crap, makes no sense whatsoever. They are going to have to do a heck of a job on the fighting engine and gameplay to get me to bite.

I mean, its like, when you hear 'Mortal Kombat' you automatically think of fatalaties. Whateva.

lilboo
06-05-2008, 01:43 AM
Good.
I just checked the OP and see that Wonder Woman AND Sonya are in the game.

Bitches gonna BOX.
:boxing:

akilshohen
06-05-2008, 02:46 AM
Kabal is a strange addition. Sounds good so far though (I don't know anything about the DC people) just waiting on Li Mei

The 7th Number
06-05-2008, 03:01 AM
Kabal is a strange addition. Sounds good so far though (I don't know anything about the DC people) just waiting on Li Mei

agree, where is baraka? Must have Cat Woman and Joker in the game too.

buterbals
06-19-2008, 07:11 PM
Updated OP with information on Sonya and The Flash.

robin2099
06-19-2008, 07:45 PM
Yikes. I've liked all the DC designs, but that Flash costume is terrible.

LinkinPrime
06-19-2008, 07:55 PM
Flash!? I'm sold!...actually I was pretty much sold on the concept since it was announced :D

akilshohen
06-20-2008, 12:59 AM
why is it that the more that's announced about this game, the less excited for it I get? and Sonya is looking mannish in that first shot. The only thing that saved her in the second was the breatestes

Chase
06-20-2008, 09:22 PM
Yikes. I've liked all the DC designs, but that Flash costume is terrible.

It's pretty damn terrible. I cannot even discern if that's Barry, Wally, or Bart. Also, Jay should be an alternate costume.

Oh, and Sonya's jugs are now huge. Awesome.

ryosnk
06-22-2008, 11:35 PM
Pics look sweet.

JohnnyFoxDarko
06-24-2008, 12:31 PM
Fatalities confirmed.
http://videogamecentral.com/gamersvoice/index.php/2008/mortal-kombat-vs-dc-universe-new-details-and-fatalities-confirmed/

LinkinPrime
06-24-2008, 12:54 PM
Excellent!

EDIT: WTF!? Your link takes us to an online videogame store!

sendme
06-24-2008, 01:07 PM
http://forums.midway.com/mortal_kombat_vs_dc_universe/b10806/28633343/p1/?8

That thread says they will have them but the nonkilling heros will not have them. So batman, superman and the flash will not have them. However they will have nonkilling brutalities.

LinkinPrime
06-24-2008, 01:10 PM
Yes we have. All of the MK characters and all of the DC villains will have fatalities. The DC heroes who don't kill that often will have brutalities that will function just like fatalities but don't actually kill the opponent.
DC Villains....interesting...I assumed it was just heroes.

guyver2077
06-24-2008, 01:15 PM
Omg Cant Wait

lilboo
06-24-2008, 01:16 PM
Hmmm...that's neat.

JohnnyFoxDarko
06-24-2008, 01:36 PM
Excellent!

EDIT: WTF!? Your link takes us to an online videogame store!
Weird. No idea why it did that.
This is the link.:
http://videogamecentral.com/gamersvoice/index.php/2008/mortal-kombat-vs-dc-universe-new-details-and-fatalities-confirmed/

Midway has just announced that the upcoming Mortal Kombat Vs DC Universe will indeed have fatalities.
According to series creator Ed Boon, Mortal Kombat Vs DC Universe will have fatalities. Many gamers have had mixed reactions when Midway first announced the game, and thought the series was heading in the wrong direction. Ed Boon confirmed that all the MK characters and DC characters will have fatalities. But unlike the MK characters, the DC characters will have brutalities that will function just like fatalities, but not killing the opponent. Aside from the fatalities, the game will also introduce a story mode explaining how the MK characters and DC Universe collided.
More information on Mortal Kombat Vs DC Universe will become available at next month’s E3 Expo in Los Angeles. Anyway, now this has peaked my interest.

Link's not working. No idea why. :bomb:

PR Mega X
06-25-2008, 07:25 AM
http://forums.midway.com/mortal_kombat_vs_dc_universe/b10806/28633343/p1/?8

That thread says they will have them but the nonkilling heros will not have them. So batman, superman and the flash will not have them. However they will have nonkilling brutalities.

So does this mean they're not going for the Teen rating anymore?

Cao Cao
06-25-2008, 08:07 AM
Here's the GameSpot interview where Boon said it:
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/mortalkombat/news.html?sid=6192868

LinkinPrime
06-27-2008, 01:35 PM
Not sure if these are all new but here they go anyway:
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2232/mkvsdc06260806gw8.th.jpg (http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2232/mkvsdc06260806gw8.jpg) http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9933/mkvsdc06260804cb4.th.jpg (http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9933/mkvsdc06260804cb4.jpg) http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8653/mkvsdc06260803fr6.th.jpg (http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8653/mkvsdc06260803fr6.jpg) http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1755/mkvsdc06260802or3.th.jpg (http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/1755/mkvsdc06260802or3.jpg) http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9148/mkvsdc062608011gz4.th.jpg (http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/9148/mkvsdc062608011gz4.jpg)

buterbals
06-27-2008, 06:09 PM
Updated OP with a preview of Catwoman's Render, and thanks LinkinPrime for the screens, added those as well.

I was hoping for the Batman Returns look, but she doesn't look that bad.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

- FDMK.net has posted the following PREVIEW of Catwoman's upcoming render. This confirms Catwoman's appearance in the game.

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5750/mkvsdccatwomanteaserlh3.jpg

It Seems Midway will be going for this look:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2707/catwoman2am7.jpg

Chase
06-27-2008, 06:47 PM
I dig modern Catwoman, so this pleases me. It sure beats her purple costume.

LinkinPrime
06-27-2008, 06:58 PM
Updated OP with a preview of Catwoman's Render, and thanks LinkinPrime for the screens, added those as well.

I was hoping for the Batman Returns look, but she doesn't look that bad.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

- FDMK.net has posted the following PREVIEW of Catwoman's upcoming render. This confirms Catwoman's appearance in the game.

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5750/mkvsdccatwomanteaserlh3.jpg

It Seems Midway will be going for this look:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/2707/catwoman2am7.jpg



NP.

She looks sexy :drool:

The 7th Number
06-29-2008, 03:01 AM
Even sexier....

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7786/catwomanrendertmkmd8.th.jpg (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=catwomanrendertmkmd8.jpg)

ITDEFX
06-29-2008, 04:25 AM
oh my fucking god!

Catwoman :drool:x10,000

Guess I am buying this when it comes out now.

Regian
06-29-2008, 04:16 PM
Here kitty, kitty, kitty...

Anyways, this game is showing a lot of promise. But Midway's track record as of late hasn't been great lately (except for Stanglehold, which I am currently enjoying). I'm not getting my hopes up too much just quite yet.

RelentlessRolento
06-29-2008, 04:35 PM
still dosn't beat this art:

http://zcultfm.com/images/covers/cover_637023916.jpg

Chase
06-29-2008, 07:44 PM
Like World at War and Treyarch, I'm trying to find some confidence to give to Ed Boon and Midway. Trying.

ITDEFX
06-29-2008, 08:36 PM
I have the feeling that we are going to get unlockables which let us switch to other catwoman outfits.:pray:

Still between this and Powergirl/BC, this is gonna be like DOA all over again.

starmask2k3
06-29-2008, 08:52 PM
I dig modern Catwoman, so this pleases me. It sure beats her purple costume.

i know why because the big boobs

SMMM
06-29-2008, 09:09 PM
I was hoping for the Batman Returns look, but she doesn't look that bad.


She never had that Batman Returns look in the comics. I'm actually very happy that they seems to be following the comics instead of movies or the animated series unlike most of the other games.

The 7th Number
06-30-2008, 03:20 PM
Here is a good quality render of Catwoman.

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/7908/catwomanrendercv4.th.jpg (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=catwomanrendercv4.jpg)

Mrcapcom
06-30-2008, 05:22 PM
i know why because the big boobs

Catwoman was on that picture? thats all I saw ^ b00bs

Chase
06-30-2008, 05:28 PM
She never had that Batman Returns look in the comics. I'm actually very happy that they seems to be following the comics instead of movies or the animated series unlike most of the other games.

It too pleases me.

buterbals
06-30-2008, 06:58 PM
Here is a good quality render of Catwoman.

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/7908/catwomanrendercv4.th.jpg (http://img104.imageshack.us/my.php?image=catwomanrendercv4.jpg)

Thanks for the render. Updated the OP with it and gave the OP a much needed facelift.

LinkinPrime
06-30-2008, 07:26 PM
On the latest Game Informer they reveal the confirmed characters...I know Reptile was one of them, but I forgot the others. I'll check out the mag when I get home and post here later.

buterbals
07-01-2008, 06:10 PM
On the latest Game Informer they reveal the confirmed characters...I know Reptile was one of them, but I forgot the others. I'll check out the mag when I get home and post here later.

Thanks, looking forward to the other characters that are confirmed.

LinkinPrime
07-01-2008, 06:13 PM
Thanks, looking forward to the other characters that are confirmed.

Sorry forgot to do this last night...I'll see if I get a chance today.

CouRageouS
07-02-2008, 01:54 PM
Man these new screens are looking decent. Makes me wish more that they just tried a pure DC game first. Then ruin it later :lol:

buterbals
07-02-2008, 05:50 PM
This friday we will find out about two never before seen villains from the game:

From SpikeTv:

SpikeTV and GameTrailers have announced that GameTrailers TV will debut all-new gameplay video for Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe. GameTrailers will also reveal two never before seen villains that will be playable characters in the game. The show is set to air Friday at 1AM ET/PT.

whackyice
07-02-2008, 06:00 PM
maybe a long shot and i haven't bothered to read the other 7 pages but any chance doomsday might be in it

buterbals
07-03-2008, 08:22 PM
You can now download the first MKcast from www.worldscollide.com (http://www.worldscollide.com).

Haven't had a chance to listen to it, but some claim that the MK Team confirm both Shang Tsung and Catwoman, so those two are possibly the ones that will be shown tomorrow on GameTrailers TV.

EDIT: The following comes from MortalKombatOnline



New characters are set to be announced every couple of weeks via different distribution channels.
Close-combat will be almost like a "boxing match", where blows will be handled in a "rock/paper/scissors" manner.
There are clues about the game not discovered yet, not only on the official website (http://www.worldscollide.com/), but also on Ed Boon's website (http://www.noob.com/).
The MK characters are "true to MK", but the game itself is not part of current canon including Mortal Kombat: Deception (http://www.mortalkombatonline.com/content/games/mkd) and Mortal Kombat: Armageddon (http://www.mortalkombatonline.com/content/games/mka). If anything, it could be considered an "alternate universe".
The two characters set to make their first official appearances in the GameTrailers show are Catwoman and Shang Tsung.

The 7th Number
07-05-2008, 02:32 AM
Gametrailers TV said they would reveal 2 more characters at E3 and 4 more at Comic Con. Im really getting excited about this game, even though i was furious when i heard it wasnt a NEW MK game, but a vs game. But its really looking sweet.

buterbals
07-05-2008, 02:40 AM
Gametrailers TV said they would reveal 2 more characters at E3 and 4 more at Comic Con. Im really getting excited about this game, even though i was furious when i heard it wasnt a NEW MK game, but a vs game. But its really looking sweet.


Very nice. Im feeling the same way, when I first heard the news I was fustrated as it wasn't an original MK title, but now Im really excited about the idea. I just want to know more about how the game actually plays and how fluid it is. Im just hoping for something more fast paced and not having to remember any huge, long button commands in order to perform combos.

The 7th Number
07-05-2008, 02:57 AM
Very nice. Im feeling the same way, when I first heard the news I was fustrated as it wasn't an original MK title, but now Im really excited about the idea. I just want to know more about how the game actually plays and how fluid it is. Im just hoping for something more fast paced and not having to remember any huge, long button commands in order to perform combos.

Yeah, i hope moves are easy to pull off. I havent been able to get into any fighting games for 360 since their dpad is junk and i suck at using analog sticks for these type of games.

Psykoboy2
07-05-2008, 03:35 AM
I'm going to E3 and have a meeting with Midway on Tuesday of that week (I think. Might be Wednesday). I'll come back with as much info as I can for you.

buterbals
07-05-2008, 03:49 AM
I'm going to E3 and have a meeting with Midway on Tuesday of that week (I think. Might be Wednesday). I'll come back with as much info as I can for you.

Thanks, we'll be looking forward to that info.

also... MortalKombatOnline user Minion will be uploading the gameplay video shown on GameTrailers TV, for those who haven't seen it.

Here is the video. The quality isn't great but Ill update once the official one hits the web.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzXhAtKNnUM

JohnnyFoxDarko
07-05-2008, 11:28 AM
Wow. Now I'm pretty psyched up for this.
I know it's a given, but I really do hope The Joker is in this. :lol:

The combat looks really fluid and pretty brutal. I can't wait until they showcase some "fatalities".

KingBroly
07-05-2008, 12:16 PM
The only reason I have hope for this game is the ability to fatally kill Superman. THE ONLY REASON.

The 7th Number
07-05-2008, 03:21 PM
Here is hoping the Joker looks like the one in The Dark Knight, but i really doubt that is going to happen.

sendme
07-05-2008, 07:08 PM
I would like to see what the Joker looks like in this as well. That is if he is even in it. However I would find it odd that they whould not put him in it. If they give something worth it for preordering him and what ever the free thing is would cause me to get this on day one.

Chase
07-05-2008, 08:17 PM
If they use The Batman's dreadlock Joker, I will riot. One of Joker's fatalities should be Harley running onto screen and smashing the opponent with a giant mallet while Mista J stands laughing in the background.

ITDEFX
07-06-2008, 02:04 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing Two Face in this game.

I really want to know what the DLC could be for this game?

The 7th Number
07-06-2008, 02:18 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing Two Face in this game.

I really want to know what the DLC could be for this game?

Well in the interview with ed boon at gametrailers tv, he said for new stages and characters. But if it sells well, i dont know how many they would put out, because there are hints at a 2nd game if it does well.

lilboo
07-06-2008, 02:37 AM
Poison Ivy would be bad ass for this game. MAKE IT HAPPEN.

ITDEFX
07-06-2008, 11:30 AM
As an unlockable or DLC I would love to see other incarnations/variations of each character like Catwoman in her "Batman Returns" outfit and so on.

joe2187
07-06-2008, 01:45 PM
I want to see The Question in this game, It needs a badass character like him

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Question03.jpg/250px-Question03.jpg

ITDEFX
07-06-2008, 02:06 PM
I want to see The Question in this game, It needs a badass character like him

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Question03.jpg/250px-Question03.jpg

YES! However he doesn't have any special abilities...at least not what I saw on JLU.

Chase
07-06-2008, 07:21 PM
I would be very disappointed if Deathstroke is not featured in this game. I assume he will be one of the "lesser known" unlockable characters Boon mentioned in his GT TV interview.

DaveD
07-06-2008, 07:34 PM
I would like for this game to never be released.

bardockkun
07-06-2008, 08:57 PM
I want to see The Question in this game, It needs a badass character like him

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5f/Question03.jpg/250px-Question03.jpg
Too bad "he's" dead.

buterbals
07-07-2008, 08:51 PM
Flash render has just been released by Midway.

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3682/flashbs2.th.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=flashbs2.jpg)

LinkinPrime
07-07-2008, 08:57 PM
Sick!

Oh and as far as the roster I saw in a magazine...turns out it wasn't GameInformer...or OXM, not sure where I saw it but I can't find it. It had a list of 7 MK and 7 DC characters. Sorry...we'll find out soon enough though.

buterbals
07-08-2008, 03:49 PM
Sonya render just released.

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6333/manvn7.th.jpg (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=manvn7.jpg)

I think she looks rather manly. Whats up with the hair?

sendme
07-08-2008, 04:06 PM
Whats up with Sonya's face? She looks like a former Russian olympic swimmer.

LinkinPrime
07-08-2008, 05:10 PM
:-k...face is manly but great bod.

buterbals
07-08-2008, 05:18 PM
Here is the High-Res shot of Sonya.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4895/sonyayo9.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sonyayo9.jpg)

joe2187
07-08-2008, 05:32 PM
I would be very disappointed if Deathstroke is not featured in this game. I assume he will be one of the "lesser known" unlockable characters Boon mentioned in his GT TV interview.

That would be awesome

Too bad "he's" dead.

That's what he wants you think...

lilboo
07-08-2008, 05:53 PM
<3 Sonya

RelentlessRolento
07-08-2008, 06:02 PM
I hope or expect her in-game model to look better.

buterbals
07-08-2008, 06:10 PM
Oh and as far as the roster I saw in a magazine...turns out it wasn't GameInformer...or OXM, not sure where I saw it but I can't find it. It had a list of 7 MK and 7 DC characters. Sorry...we'll find out soon enough though.

Its cool, I just hope that one of those upcoming characters to be revealed is Kitana.

akilshohen
07-08-2008, 06:22 PM
That face looks pretty manly.

Dkellar
07-08-2008, 07:30 PM
G-string tan lines? And slightly visible nipples?...I want the old genesis sprites!

sendme
07-08-2008, 07:59 PM
Was wondering if anyone else saw the tanlines.

buterbals
07-08-2008, 08:04 PM
Was wondering if anyone else saw the tanlines.

Haha, I did notice that. I just find it unnecessary, that also goes for the nips. They seem like they are trying to portray a very strong woman, yet when these things are present, it makes her seem like a joke.

Also is that some perspiration between her breasts? Dirty Shirt?

Edit: Picture coming in a bit.

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8002/sonyagi8.jpg

Kayden
07-08-2008, 08:36 PM
Thats just the shirt stretching... haven't you ever seen boobs? :lol:

I found a better render of her, this one looks a lot more realistic.
http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/feir/images/dolph.jpg

Haha, I did notice that. I just find it unnecessary, that also goes for the nips. They seem like they are trying to portray a very strong woman, yet when these things are present, it makes her seem like a joke.

Also is that some perspiration between her breasts? Dirty Shirt?

Edit: Picture coming in a bit.

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8002/sonyagi8.jpg

RelentlessRolento
07-08-2008, 09:31 PM
the nipple thing just shows she dosn't wear a bra. same goes for her tanline with no panties.

buterbals
07-08-2008, 09:55 PM
Thats just the shirt stretching... haven't you ever seen boobs? :lol:


That's just cold...:cry:

Gamehead
07-08-2008, 10:37 PM
That Sonya render is up there with DOA girls. >_>

Regian
07-09-2008, 12:06 AM
I didn't know Nicole Bass was in this game.

...shit, that's Sonya? She looka likea man.

WhipSmartBanky
07-09-2008, 12:12 AM
That face looks pretty manly.
Dudely, indeed.

ITDEFX
07-09-2008, 12:18 AM
That Sonya render is up there with DOA girls. >_>

Even with all the processing power today's video game and computer systems can handle, all the cg chicks still have very short, pony tails, hair up hairstyles. You would think the problem would be solved by now.

dabebop
07-09-2008, 12:42 AM
You think they would solve it, but than that's to much time focusing on cosmetic things, when you got many other things to focus on. Also this is midway to so it's not like they piles of dough like EA.

Was checking out the forums on midway about this and one of the guys photoshopped Sonya and got rid of that freaking man jaw! GAH ::

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/GameAlbum_by_Cat/Mortal%20Kombat/SonyaMakeover03.jpg

ITDEFX
07-09-2008, 12:52 AM
You think they would solve it, but than that's to much time focusing on cosmetic things, when you got many other things to focus on. Also this is midway to so it's not like they piles of dough like EA.

Was checking out the forums on midway about this and one of the guys photoshopped Sonya and got rid of that freaking man chin GAH ::

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q14/GameAlbum_by_Cat/Mortal%20Kombat/SonyaMakeover03.jpg

It is possible to overcome that problem. Since this is a fighter game, there is no huge level with textures or 30 enemies on screen at once for the CPU to handle. It's a bit tricky because long hair can do some crazy shit when you knock it around. The psychics engine (Havok?) has to calculate all those strains of hair as individuals or as a bunch and still make it look believable and natural flowing. If more R&D is put into it, it can happen.

sendme
07-09-2008, 12:54 AM
I'm sure (hope) Sonya will look less like a man when the game comes out.

EDIT: Also is it me or does it look like the bat symbole is on the upper part of catwomans chest.

Littlefields
07-09-2008, 01:10 AM
You guys are looking at too much breasts.

doctorfaustus
07-09-2008, 01:25 AM
You guys are looking at too much breasts.

That's an impossibility. :)

The game looks great. The Flash ramming an opponent through a multitude of walls? Awesome!

ITDEFX
07-09-2008, 01:47 AM
You guys are looking at too much breasts.

I wouldn't be surprised if the makers of this game throw a few "guest" fighters into the game that have nothing to do with either series (like in sc4)


http://xbox360media.gamespy.com/xbox360/image/article/732/732665/idead-or-alive-xtreme-2i-20060913080234704.jpg

dabebop
07-09-2008, 03:24 AM
It is possible to overcome that problem. Since this is a fighter game, there is no huge level with textures or 30 enemies on screen at once for the CPU to handle. It's a bit tricky because long hair can do some crazy shit when you knock it around. The psychics engine (Havok?) has to calculate all those strains of hair as individuals or as a bunch and still make it look believable and natural flowing. If more R&D is put into it, it can happen.

Havok is good and all, but I think the companies are starting to use that Euphoria engine now. It's just that these are just all physics stuff, but I'm not cramming for long hair chicks with wavy hair or what not. DOA beach volleyball tried that, and it's just on par with the weird over jiggling boob physics.

Also for the "guest" fighters like sc4, midway isn't going to get like manga artist like how sc4 is doing it. Well those are actually bonus fighters. Man it seems like Tekken and Street Fighter are going to be the only fighting games that don't have these fighters that are in no way part of the canon of their series.

The 7th Number
07-10-2008, 02:13 PM
Friday gamespot is going to show new gameplay footage and reveal 2 new characters.

SOURCE!!!! (http://forums.midway.com/mortal_kombat_vs_dc_universe/b10806/28726795/p1/?19)

buterbals
07-10-2008, 04:19 PM
Friday gamespot is going to show new gameplay footage and reveal 2 new characters.

SOURCE!!!! (http://forums.midway.com/mortal_kombat_vs_dc_universe/b10806/28726795/p1/?19)

Thanks for the heads up!

So by tomorrow we will already know half of the characters that are going to be in the game.

Hopefully tomorrow we'll see Kitana vs Wonderwoman.

JohnnyFoxDarko
07-10-2008, 04:37 PM
I'm thinking Reptile vs. ?????
Reptile vs. The Joker would be sick.

Actually, I think they'd save that for E3, so I'll also say Wonder Woman vs. Kitana.

lilboo
07-10-2008, 04:50 PM
If they can give me Poison Ivy, Wonder Woman, Kitana and Mileena i'll be happy. Along with the current Catwoman and Sonya ^_^

The 7th Number
07-10-2008, 07:49 PM
Personally i think they are going to stay away from adding more ninja clones. We already have Sub and Scorp. So i dont see Chameleon, Reptile, Ermac, Noob, Rain, Smoke, etc in the game. There are only 10-12 MK characters, they probably wouldnt want to waste it on a few ninjas and leave out someone like Raiden, Kang, quan chi, shao kahn, baraka, or other more unique characters. I could be wrong.

Plus with Sonya already in the game, i think there would be only 1 maybe 2 more female MK characters. Same with the DC side. I think we will see 2-3 female characters per side depending on the overall roster count. Mileena and Kitana seem like the way to go. But i personally love Jade. So i hope she is in. I also wouldnt mind seeing Nitara.

List of hopefulls.

MK
* Sub Zero
* Scorpion
* Shang Tsung
* Sonya
Raiden
Baraka
Quan Chi
Liu Kang
Kung Lao
Goro
Jade
Nitara

sendme
07-10-2008, 09:04 PM
Just put the joker in and don't screw him up and it is a buy for me on day one.

dabebop
07-10-2008, 09:58 PM
Hopefully anymore female fighters don't have manly faces.

Theduck
07-11-2008, 01:04 AM
Ugly nerds talking crap about the Sonya Render: Priceless

RelentlessRolento
07-11-2008, 01:32 AM
2 new characters tomorrow will be sonya's left and right nipples.

buterbals
07-11-2008, 01:43 AM
2 new characters tomorrow will be sonya's left and right nipples.

:rofl:

The 7th Number
07-11-2008, 02:38 PM
Here is a Shang Tsung render (http://www.totalmortalkombat.com/mkvsdcu/renders/shangtsung_render_tmk.jpg)with no background and a stupid watermark. Im sure a good render will be released soon.

Tonight they reveal 2 more characters....i wonder about what time they will reveal them. :(

buterbals
07-11-2008, 04:52 PM
i wonder about what time they will reveal them. :(

Im wondering the same thing. Im assuming it will be a lot later. Maybe sometime around 6-7 pacific time.

Here is the render of Shang with background, its not the high res version as its not available yet on worldscollide.com. This one was provided by one of the mods on the midway boards.

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5316/shangfo9.th.jpg (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shangfo9.jpg)

buterbals
07-11-2008, 07:43 PM
Captain Marvel and Lui Kang are in the game. Confirmed by MKcast #2.

Supposedly the 4 characters that will be shown at Comic-Con will "set the world on fire" and will have a huge impact.

Edit: I'm assuming that the gameplay shown later today on GameSpot will feature both Captain Marvel and Lui Kang.

LinkinPrime
07-11-2008, 07:51 PM
Captain Marvel and Lui Kang are in the game. Confirmed by MKcast #2.

Supposedly the 4 characters that will be shown at Comic-Con will "set the world on fire" and will have a huge impact.

Oooh...I can't wait, I'll be there Friday :D

Chase
07-11-2008, 07:56 PM
Captain Marvel and Lui Kang are in the game. Confirmed by MKcast #2.

Supposedly the 4 characters that will be shown at Comic-Con will "set the world on fire" and will have a huge impact.

Edit: I'm assuming that the gameplay shown later today on GameSpot will feature both Captain Marvel and Lui Kang.

Shazam!

ITDEFX
07-11-2008, 09:20 PM
Where is powergirl? God damn it! Give us powergirl renders NOW!!

Chase
07-11-2008, 09:45 PM
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5258/powergirl4tq3.gif

Shazam! :joystick:

RelentlessRolento
07-11-2008, 09:47 PM
after seeing sonya's nipples, I very much look forward to a powergirl render.

ITDEFX
07-11-2008, 10:15 PM
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5258/powergirl4tq3.gif

Shazam! :joystick:

:bow:

Black Canary :drool:

after seeing sonya's nipples, I very much look forward to a powergirl render.

I have this feeling that she's going to be an unlockable, requiring some insane feet to get her to be playable.

buterbals
07-11-2008, 10:43 PM
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5258/powergirl4tq3.gif

Shazam! :joystick:

:lol:

I just hope they dont give her the same face "treatment" they gave Sonya.

RelentlessRolento
07-11-2008, 10:44 PM
MK vs. DC vs. Trannys

The 7th Number
07-11-2008, 11:02 PM
The new Mkast says there are still secrets on the page noob.com. But i dont see anything. I can only see the hat which looks like Kung Lao, or there is a small red period under "there will be blood". Otherwise the poster looks unedited, and the source code reveals nothing.

I did just realize that the lightning in the noob.com pic doesnt have a reflection. Hmmmm.

buterbals
07-12-2008, 01:54 AM
I'll check the noob.com website later on.

GameSpot just added a second trailer:

http://www.gamespot.com/video/943567/6193703/videoplayerpop?

I just saw the trailer though and it was ok. Def. better than the first one though. I like the last part were you hear "Finish Him" and Scorpion then pulls up his mask and goes on to toast The Flash, but then the screen goes to black so you don't actually see it.

akilshohen
07-12-2008, 06:09 AM
looks decent, everyone still has the SAME stance looks like.

RelentlessRolento
07-12-2008, 06:20 AM
yeah, looks decent... I am scared about the whole concept of "pro moves" as well... it's basically what you call "just frame" moves in other fighters, but knowing boon, this might be bad.

heavyd853
07-12-2008, 07:02 AM
The animations look kinda goofy sometimes, but at least they're pretty smooth. I'm a bit worried about the fighting mechanics for this game but its not like MK has ever been a groundbreaking fighter.

JohnnyFoxDarko
07-12-2008, 12:17 PM
Looks a little slow. :/

LinkinPrime
07-14-2008, 02:00 AM
Looking good, pretty much a day one for me.

buterbals
07-14-2008, 02:04 AM
I know ths might not be related with the Xbox 360, but since it has to do with Mortal Kombat I thought Id post it here.

There is another Mortal Kombat game coming out titled "Mortal Kombat Kollection" and will be out later this year. GameStop has it listed for pre-order:

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=71986

EDIT: this might either be the old classic games, or MK Deadly Alliance, MK Deception, and MK Armageddon bundled.

RelentlessRolento
07-14-2008, 02:14 AM
my guess is a compilation, but I hope I'm wrong.

The 7th Number
07-14-2008, 02:58 AM
Yeah if its under PS2 its probably one of those triple packs that would include Deadly Alliance, Deception, and Armageddon.

buterbals
07-15-2008, 08:37 PM
Looks like we will be hearing some new information tomorrow.

IGN's E3 coverage will be showing off MK vs DC Universe tomorrow at 3:30pm (Pacific Time).

http://livewire.ign.com/2008/e3/index.html

Also G4TV will be having an interview with Ed Boon tomorrow. I guess thats when we can expect to hear about the two new characters that will be shown.

The 7th Number
07-16-2008, 08:25 PM
IGN just showed the game on livewire.

- Catwoman is a villan and will have a fatality.
- Each character will only have 1 outfit, but an alt color if you both pick the same character.
- The select screen had 20 slots only.
- DLC may be used for new characters/levels.
- They are trying to give each character more than one fatality/brutality, but time may be against it.
- Boon said flash owns from the DC side and Scorpion owns from the MK side.

RelentlessRolento
07-16-2008, 08:28 PM
1 costume? >_<

JohnnyFoxDarko
07-16-2008, 08:47 PM
Woah, G4TV is showing some footage on it, and damn...looks pretty awesome.
Too bad the guys playing couldn't pull off any fatalities/brutalities. :/

No new characters announced.

The 7th Number
07-16-2008, 09:22 PM
Woah, G4TV is showing some footage on it, and damn...looks pretty awesome.
Too bad the guys playing couldn't pull off any fatalities/brutalities. :/

No new characters announced.

Oh yeah, when boon was showing the game for IGN livewire he did say there were 20 characters, a BOSS, and maybe hidden character.

Chase
07-16-2008, 09:36 PM
IGN just showed the game on livewire.

- Catwoman is a villan and will have a fatality.
- Each character will only have 1 outfit, but an alt color if you both pick the same character.
- The select screen had 20 slots only.
- DLC may be used for new characters/levels.
- They are trying to give each character more than one fatality/brutality, but time may be against it.
- Boon said Flash owns from the DC side and Scorpion owns from the MK side.

Flash's alternate "color scheme" better be Professor Zoom. How hard would it be to add Professor Zoom? Really now.

bardockkun
07-16-2008, 09:46 PM
Flash's alternate "color scheme" better be Professor Zoom. How hard would it be to add Professor Zoom? Really now.
I'm more so hoping for the black Flash outfit. Like the one in the comic book that appears before any speedster (or has any part of the Speed Force) that's about to die. Though Zoom would still be badass since not many villains I can think of that kill twins that still in the womb...

Chase
07-16-2008, 09:48 PM
I'm more so hoping for the black Flash outfit. Like the one in the comic book that appears before any speedster (or has any part of the Speed Force) that's about to die. Though Zoom would still be badass since not many villains I can think of that kill twins that still in the womb...

Oh, that is another good idea, Bardock-kun. :applause: I dig it. It would be complementary to Noob.

buterbals
07-16-2008, 10:06 PM
IGN just showed the game on livewire.

- Catwoman is a villan and will have a fatality.
- Each character will only have 1 outfit, but an alt color if you both pick the same character.
- The select screen had 20 slots only.
- DLC may be used for new characters/levels.
- They are trying to give each character more than one fatality/brutality, but time may be against it.
- Boon said flash owns from the DC side and Scorpion owns from the MK side.

Hmm well the only good thing from this is the idea of DLC and being able to download additional characters.

Weren't they going to be revealing two more characters during E3?

The 7th Number
07-16-2008, 10:22 PM
Hmm well the only good thing from this is the idea of DLC and being able to download additional characters.

Weren't they going to be revealing two more characters during E3?

The 2 characters were Liu Kang and Captain Marvel. Comic Con will have 4 new characters.

buterbals
07-16-2008, 10:32 PM
Ahh ok, well they should have at least shown some gameplay footage of the two during E3. I was actually hoping for two more but oh well.

Comic Con better not dissapoint with the characters they are going to announce. Im still waiting for Kitana, Wonder Woman, and the Green Lantern.

The 7th Number
07-16-2008, 10:51 PM
Ahh ok, well they should have at least shown some gameplay footage of the two during E3. I was actually hoping for two more but oh well.

Comic Con better not dissapoint with the characters they are going to announce. Im still waiting for Kitana, Wonder Woman, and the Green Lantern.

Catwoman and Shang Tsung will be playable at Comic Con.

BTW, here are screenshots of the select screen.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/310/selectscreenscorpionvsbns2.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=selectscreenscorpionvsbns2.jpg) http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7655/selectscreensonyavssuperq8.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=selectscreensonyavssuperq8.jpg)

Owen
07-16-2008, 10:56 PM
I played some of this game earlier today, it is pretty fun. I saw Scorpion's Fatality against Batman, it is just him taking off his mask and torching them like in the trailer but he just got kind of black and crispy and screamed as he died. I also saw Superman's Brutality against Sonya, he basically drives her into the ground like a nail and keeps pounding on her till just her head is sticking out of the ground. The damage model is really cool looking with all the rips and bruises appearing. I will be posting a few more details on my site later but playing this really got me excited for the finished product.

buterbals
07-17-2008, 12:28 AM
Catwoman and Shang Tsung will be playable at Comic Con.

BTW, here are screenshots of the select screen.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/310/selectscreenscorpionvsbns2.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=selectscreenscorpionvsbns2.jpg) http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7655/selectscreensonyavssuperq8.th.jpg (http://img242.imageshack.us/my.php?image=selectscreensonyavssuperq8.jpg)

Thanks for the screenshots.

The character models look really nice in those screens. I just think the Select Screen looks rather generic at the moment. Im sure its not the final one, but so far its lacking some personality. It looks dull.

The 7th Number
07-17-2008, 02:32 AM
Thanks for the screenshots.

The character models look really nice in those screens. I just think the Select Screen looks rather generic at the moment. Im sure its not the final one, but so far its lacking some personality. It looks dull.

Yeah, maybe in the final game they will have a better background.

JohnnyFoxDarko
07-17-2008, 12:16 PM
Was watching the MK vs DC stuff over at Gamespot.com.
They actually pulled off a fatality/brutality! Awesome.

Also, they said they're going for the darker side of the DC universe.
I hope that means that Joker (if there is one) will bare no resemblance to the Joker from that new DC Universe game. :puke:

Hmm. Batman seems like a kind of bland fighter. Unlike a Flash or Superman.

Psykoboy2
07-18-2008, 02:25 PM
This was my Game Of Show with everything I got my hands on. It surprised me the most and I couldn't stop passing by the Midway booth to get some play time with it.

Yes, Flash owns. The first time you make him do a flurry of punches was just plain old awesome.

I also got to meet Boon and that was a real thrill, let me tell you.

Also yes, Batman is somewhat bland it would seem but I didn't see much of him or play much either. I saw Scorpion's fire breath fatality and Superman's Brutality. The layout of the levels are great. Falling and the running through the walls thing are points in the game that break from fighting and turn into a little mini-game of sorts. As dose the close combat stuff too.

It will be on display and playable at comic con where two to four new characters will be revealed, more again at G|C and then whatever's left will be revealed a bit before the game's release.

Expect a demo.

JohnnyFoxDarko
07-18-2008, 03:39 PM
Awesome. I hope they do something else with Batman, though.

Also, after watching The Dark Knight, I really hope they go with a Heath Ledger-esque type of Joker. If there is one.

bardockkun
07-18-2008, 05:58 PM
Also, after watching The Dark Knight, I really hope they go with a Heath Ledger-esque type of Joker. If there is one.
...And a magic trick type fatality?

joe2187
07-18-2008, 06:51 PM
List of Hopefuls for the Game:

Batgirl (Cass)
The Creeper
Rose (Ravager)
Deathstroke
WildCat <--- Perfect for this game
Black Adam <---He better be in this game