View Full Version : [OOS] Amazon DotD: Devil May Cry 4 Collector's Edition (360) NOW $39.99
Master Shake
04-23-2008, 04:00 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Devil-May-Cry-4-Collectors/dp/B000XYFY3Q/ref=br_lf_m_1000208101_1_1_ttl?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=videogames&pf_rd_p=387694201&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_t=1401&pf_rd_i=1000208101&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1SX6SBBMRRGYKR1DS81A
Dang! I would jump in if it's the PS3 version.
eliter1
04-23-2008, 04:05 AM
Are all the extras in the CE worth it if this is my first time playing a Devil May Cry game or should i just find a cheap regular edition?
msdmoney
04-23-2008, 04:05 AM
I'm tempted, but I'm thinking about waiting to see if it hits closer to $40.
KingBroly
04-23-2008, 04:08 AM
I'm never buying a game that comes in a tin. NEVER.
akashhhhh
04-23-2008, 04:09 AM
CE contents are really meh. Capcom phoned this one in.
bigdsinferno
04-23-2008, 04:11 AM
personally, i think it's worth it for the collectors edition. of course, i'm basing this on the fact that I really love the tin this game comes in. it's probably my favorite of the ones that i own. i couldn't care any less about the anime it came with though.
mechachrome
04-23-2008, 04:12 AM
Another near miss on the DotD.
As someone said earlier, for $40, all over it. For $55, I'm too much of a cheap-ass and I'll wait.
Nelo Ice
04-23-2008, 04:13 AM
bah if it was $40 id jump on it
bigdaddybruce44
04-23-2008, 04:14 AM
Would probably bite if I didn't already have the regular edition.
Pharrell1
04-23-2008, 04:14 AM
35 is my final offer.
RatedRSuperstar
04-23-2008, 04:17 AM
Dang! I would jump in if it's the PS3 version.
Me too!
Sharp Katana
04-23-2008, 04:18 AM
wish it was for the ps3. Could have gotten it for free.
mhnajjar
04-23-2008, 04:23 AM
I got it the day it was released for full retail price and it is worth every penny.
SlaughterX
04-23-2008, 04:28 AM
Are all the extras in the CE worth it if this is my first time playing a Devil May Cry game or should i just find a cheap regular edition?
It's worth it. Also it's not just a tin, it's a Steelbook case.
Anyway I spent $80 on it the day it came out, but at least I got a mini art book! :\
Radioactive_Man
04-23-2008, 07:01 AM
It's worth it if you get one of the signed copies like I did.
Sharp Katana
04-23-2008, 07:06 AM
It's worth it if you get one of the signed copies like I did.
i thought those were randomly distributed? No?
Leggo
04-23-2008, 08:22 AM
this doesn't have any exclusive gamerpics or themes or anything, does it?
For the 80 retail, I'd expect for them to include the entire Anime series. The first episode, that's not a bonus, that's a free promo disc. fail.
Given the lukewarm response to this thread, I don't doubt at all that this set is going to drop even further. I'll get onboard maybe once it drops to $30.
grrouchie
04-23-2008, 09:03 AM
not really that much of a deal figuring that the price just went down to 59.99 retail at places like game crazy.....
I really wanted to trade in my regular copy today and pick up the collectors edition, but other than the Tin I don't care for the contents and decided against it.
the_punisher
04-23-2008, 09:13 AM
Also, would've done it for PS3. Why does Amazon always seem to favor the 360 during these deals (Burnout Paradise, dark Sector, COD4 was OoS in 5 sec ONLY on PS3,...)
mang9432
04-23-2008, 09:31 AM
i'd rather have the regular edition. so close....
jacknicklson
04-23-2008, 10:09 AM
Also, would've done it for PS3. Why does Amazon always seem to favor the 360 during these deals (Burnout Paradise, dark Sector, COD4 was OoS in 5 sec ONLY on PS3,...)
I wonder this as well, but in this case, they are out of stock of the ps3 version.
cleaver
04-23-2008, 10:10 AM
I bought it from GS for $38 on Saturday.
buckythekat
04-23-2008, 10:42 AM
I want the PS3 version myself so no go
UjnHunter
04-23-2008, 11:11 AM
just out of curiosity... most of the people saying "if it was for PS3 i'd get it!" seem to have an Xbox 360 as well... why on earth would you want it for PS3 and not 360???
Anyhow I'd get this for sure, but I bought it at launch at CC for $80 w/ $10 GC
Serpentor
04-23-2008, 11:20 AM
WTF? the PS3 CE is OoS... for $55, it's meh, but $50 is great (of course $35-$40 is a steal).
I want the PS3 version as well. I like the PS controller better when come to action games.
ricoraney
04-23-2008, 11:20 AM
I see that most people here are interested in the PS3 version. I just bought the PS3 version this past Saturday from my local Gamestop. Paid $79.99 for it. Well, I was at a Gamestop in a mall yesterday and I was checking out the 360 games, and lo and behold! DMC4 CE new for $59.99. Needless to say the light bulb went on and I asked the associate to check the PS3 price, that had dropped to $59.99 as well. Went home got my receipt and got my $20 price adjustment.
v0yce
04-23-2008, 11:27 AM
For the 80 retail, I'd expect for them to include the entire Anime series. The first episode, that's not a bonus, that's a free promo disc. fail.
Its not the first episode. Its the first volume. As in the first 4 episodes.
buckythekat
04-23-2008, 11:44 AM
just out of curiosity... most of the people saying "if it was for PS3 i'd get it!" seem to have an Xbox 360 as well... why on earth would you want it for PS3 and not 360???
Anyhow I'd get this for sure, but I bought it at launch at CC for $80 w/ $10 GC
controller, I have all the previous DMC games for PS2, no load times, etc.
the game was clearly made with the PS3 in mind just like Burnout Paradise
InvaderZim
04-23-2008, 11:46 AM
this doesn't have any exclusive gamerpics or themes or anything, does it?
For the 80 retail, I'd expect for them to include the entire Anime series. The first episode, that's not a bonus, that's a free promo disc. fail.
Given the lukewarm response to this thread, I don't doubt at all that this set is going to drop even further. I'll get onboard maybe once it drops to $30.
Agree...
typeRJ
04-23-2008, 11:58 AM
Its not the first episode. Its the first volume. As in the first 4 episodes.
buuut it's not all that great. dubbing isn't so hot (as expected) and what happened to the badass dante you know and love?? he's not the same as the ones from any game.
oh and good luck trying to get the collector's case they said you can claim through the ADV website. still haven't gotten one. i even called their main office to try and get one. the rep had no clue, said she'd call me back but never did...
and i just found out why. the series has been CANCELED according to the Anime News Network (can't find the link right now). but rumors keep popping up that they're going to continue and release the rest. i doubt it.
buckythekat
04-23-2008, 12:15 PM
and i just found out why. the series has been CANCELED according to the Anime News Network (can't find the link right now). but rumors keep popping up that they're going to continue and release the rest. i doubt it.
no the series was only 12 episodes which isn't unheard of for anime in Japan, not all series go on forever like Naruto or other well known anime
the Disgaea anime was only 12 episodes as well
buckythekat
04-23-2008, 12:47 PM
it just dropped it $39.99, really wish they still had some of the PS3 version in stock now :-(
youbastards
04-23-2008, 01:04 PM
in for 1 at $40, thanks OP!
typeRJ
04-23-2008, 01:16 PM
no the series was only 12 episodes which isn't unheard of for anime in Japan, not all series go on forever like Naruto or other well known anime
the Disgaea anime was only 12 episodes as well
ahh i know that it's 12 episodes. i mean that ADV and the investors decided to cancel the release of the rest of the series in the US. you may just be stuck with the 4 episodes on the 1st volume.
akashhhhh
04-23-2008, 01:21 PM
It's listed as $39.99 on Amazon now, FYI.
goukill1120
04-23-2008, 01:27 PM
Picked this up along with a copy of The Darkness. That makes 6 games I've ordeded from Amazon thanks to this site in the last week. God I love it here.
Serpentor
04-23-2008, 01:27 PM
yeah, it's $40 from a-zon and it's CE, wow... damn it, crave in? but i really want the PS3 version :(
Serialkilla
04-23-2008, 01:29 PM
Very good deal for $40. I still can't believe I paid $80 for it and still call myself a cheapass.
Serpentor
04-23-2008, 01:35 PM
Very good deal for $40. I still can't believe I paid $80 for it and still call myself a cheapass.
everything is cheaper over time, except antiques :lol:
binbinzhou
04-23-2008, 01:35 PM
I almost pulled the trigger at $55, but for $40, it's definitely a STEAL!! Thanks!
BackInBlack
04-23-2008, 01:36 PM
I bit. I almost went for the regular edish for 30 after rebate at FYE, i am glad i waited for this.
highwaypatrolman
04-23-2008, 01:38 PM
grabbed a copy for $40. thanks, op.
EliteCaboose117
04-23-2008, 01:56 PM
in for 1.
Serpentor
04-23-2008, 02:03 PM
I'm stilling thinking about it.... Hmmm, it looks like the X360 version not going anywhere, still in stock (fingers crossed).
rpepper
04-23-2008, 02:08 PM
Oh man, they had to go and drop it to $40...just ordered mine. :-P
Amazon is going to break me...
Garfield
04-23-2008, 02:09 PM
everything is cheaper over time, except antiques :lol:
No, that's not true.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Panzer-Dragoon-Saga-for-Sega-Saturn-Complete_W0QQitemZ180234042850QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6 2053QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I'm still kicking myself in the groin for not picking up the 5 copies on clearance for $19.99 at Toys R Us 10 years ago.
Back to topic: never played DMC before, but $40 for a collector's edition is very tempting.
Crizzletin
04-23-2008, 02:29 PM
Nice :D
..ps.
should change thread title to reflect new price
xxtheycallmedxx
04-23-2008, 02:32 PM
Dang! I would jump in if it's the PS3 version.
Word...Can't see myself playing a DMC game on a non sony system...
akashhhhh
04-23-2008, 02:32 PM
Clearly, this didn't end up being the type of blockbuster that one needs a collector's edition of.
I'mma wait a couple months, till it's inevitably $19.99 somewhere.
bojay1997
04-23-2008, 02:53 PM
Word...Can't see myself playing a DMC game on a non sony system...
I don't know, I have played both versions and they are pretty much identical. If I had to choose one, I'd probably go 360 only because I don't like stuff installed on my hard drive. The PS3 controller is more familiar for this game, however.
Serpentor
04-23-2008, 02:54 PM
No, that's not true.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Panzer-Dragoon-Saga-for-Sega-Saturn-Complete_W0QQitemZ180234042850QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6 2053QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I'm still kicking myself in the groin for not picking up the 5 copies on clearance for $19.99 at Toys R Us 10 years ago.
Back to topic: never played DMC before, but $40 for a collector's edition is very tempting.
Sorry, can't stop laughing, but that's antique :)
GTZ_NSR
04-23-2008, 03:00 PM
I don't know, I have played both versions and they are pretty much identical. If I had to choose one, I'd probably go 360 only because I don't like stuff installed on my hard drive. The PS3 controller is more familiar for this game, however.
I don't mind the install. It practically removed load times altogether.
SlaughterX
04-23-2008, 03:20 PM
Wow, I thought $55 was good, but $40 is a no brainer for one of the best action games released this year.
YONKE
04-23-2008, 03:25 PM
bite for one 40 dlls its a steal....... CAG is breaking my wallet :D
neonglow
04-23-2008, 03:32 PM
Also for people on the fence, 100 copies of the 360 CE version are signed by the producer.
http://www.destructoid.com/signed-devil-may-cry-collector-s-edition-is-coming-to-random-stores-near-you-64897.phtml
Alucard400
04-23-2008, 03:47 PM
Word...Can't see myself playing a DMC game on a non sony system...
You sound like one of those players who think MGS, Devil May Cry, Onimusha, Final Fantasy are Sony games. Square, Capcom, and other third parties are not married to Sony.
pbaz11
04-23-2008, 03:57 PM
Damn...bit at $40, couldn't help it. Thanks OP.
guyver2077
04-23-2008, 03:59 PM
tempting...
The installation on ps3 was very annoying.. (i seriously have to upgrade teh 20gb)
I'm beginning to lose track of how many game deals I've bought from Amazon the past month. $40 for this adds in yet another.
iamtheodork
04-23-2008, 04:11 PM
Would bite for the PS3, I feel like the controller is more suitable for that game.
rodeojones903
04-23-2008, 04:12 PM
I would trade my PS3 CE for this if I could. :D
Jasonlydon
04-23-2008, 04:17 PM
Dammit!
Score another who would have purchased it if it was the PS3 version...
roguejedi5
04-23-2008, 04:18 PM
Ok how bad are the load times on the Xbox? Since the PS3 is near zero since you have to download a chunk onto your hard drive. This could be the deciding factor me on whether to get this one or the PS3 version.
Man, that's a really tempting deal even though I wasn't planning on getting DMC4 anytime soon. 50% off retail price only 2 months after release is hard to turn down.
Although hasn't the release of the animated series been delayed while the publisher reshuffles? I thought the 4 episdes included in that volume one set were the only ones currently out there.
Ok how bad are the load times on the Xbox? Since the PS3 is near zero since you have to download a chunk onto your hard drive. This could be the deciding factor me on whether to get this one or the PS3 version.
From what I've seen, the most loading time the Xbox 360 version has is somewhere around 8 seconds for some cutscenes, while the PS3 version has at most 2 seconds or so of loading time. Going between rooms in the Xbox 360 version takes 2-4 seconds while it's pretty much instantaneous in the PS3 version.
For anyone on the fence, here's my review. (http://pgvideogames.blogspot.com/2008/03/review-devil-may-cry-4-xbox-360.html)
SuperFox
04-23-2008, 04:30 PM
Bought at $40, even though I haven't finished DMC3 yet...thanks OP.
anomynous
04-23-2008, 04:31 PM
hmmmmm...... tempting
gregnied
04-23-2008, 04:32 PM
I really want to buy this, but I want the ps3 version, maybe I will pick this up later if it is still around, Really like the ps3 controller better for these games, and well the CE box annoys me,
mario23air
04-23-2008, 04:35 PM
Damn, now I have to return the used standard edition I got from GS so I can get this (brand new collector's edition for $39.99 which is less than a $1 more than I paid for a used copy). I really hate Amazon sometimes. In for 1, thanks OP.
bostonfrontier
04-23-2008, 04:37 PM
I'll wait til it's a greatest hits/platinum hits........
rodeojones903
04-23-2008, 04:40 PM
I'll wait til it's a greatest hits/platinum hits........
Waiting 6 months and not getting the special edition is worth saving $10 to you?
bigdaddybruce44
04-23-2008, 04:48 PM
Waiting 6 months and not getting the special edition is worth saving $10 to you?
Have to agree there. It's only $10 more than the PH will be, and you get so much more.
mang9432
04-23-2008, 04:57 PM
in for one. def worth it for 40.
MasterYensid
04-23-2008, 04:57 PM
I bit on one as well, I just traded someone for the regular edition of this game. I will likely just goozex my regular edition and put my 1000 points towards another highly desired title.
skatz83
04-23-2008, 04:59 PM
I'm tempted, but I'm thinking about waiting to see if it hits closer to $40.
It is $40 dollars.
rpepper
04-23-2008, 05:00 PM
It is $40 dollars.
This morning when the deal was originally posted it was $55.99. It switched around noon to be $39.99. He was in before the change.
GarrettJD
04-23-2008, 05:07 PM
Thanks OP. Just pulled the trigger on this as well.
Trenchalicious
04-23-2008, 05:07 PM
Gotta purchase this, thanks OP for the title change... otherwise I wouldn't have noticed.
Alphant
04-23-2008, 05:13 PM
Amazon must read CAG.
skatz83
04-23-2008, 05:16 PM
This morning when the deal was originally posted it was $55.99. It switched around noon to be $39.99. He was in before the change.
oops. my mistake.
espionage
04-23-2008, 05:16 PM
Ok how bad are the load times on the Xbox? Since the PS3 is near zero since you have to download a chunk onto your hard drive. This could be the deciding factor me on whether to get this one or the PS3 version.
i actually don't really remember any notable loading time on the 360. seemed like any other 360 game...
SAGExSDX
04-23-2008, 05:21 PM
fine you cags. uve done it again... in for one. at 40$ its a pretty good deal considering collector's editions dont go much lower than 30$ usually...
segaplayer
04-23-2008, 05:48 PM
lol I tried to stay away from getting any more games, but this deal was too good!
Amazon must read CAG.
Depends on how many more deals they have on titles like Petz Dogz and system carrying cases, this one could've just been blind luck...
To test this theory though, I suggest everyone respond to the next DotD thread with "it's priced too high, I'll wait until it's *insert price half of what it's on sale for", regardless of whether it's a deal or not. Maybe we can score Call of Duty 4 or SSBB for $20 ;)
MegaKungFuRadio
04-23-2008, 06:01 PM
fine you cags. uve done it again... in for one. at 40$ its a pretty good deal considering collector's editions dont go much lower than 30$ usually...
Yeah, R6: Vegas LE for $20 for Black Friday or Cyber Monday, whatever, is all I can think of. Usually they just run out of stock and leave it at that. Kind of makes me wonder if Fallout 3: CE will end up being a warehouse storage hog like Halo 3: Legendary and come out with a > %50 discount.
Anyway, I actually prefer regular edition unless the bonuses are good or the box art is better, just for the sake of shelf uniformity, but I'll bite for $40 (well, $15 after my GC ^^)
N0M0RES3QUELS
04-23-2008, 06:11 PM
Looks to be OOS. Crossing my fingers to see the regular edition for $30 soon.
supraazn
04-23-2008, 06:53 PM
i had a chance to order this earlier today when it was in stock for 40$.
I would have order it too because 40$ is pretty damn good.
And i love these types of steel cases.
Just like the Lost planet one these cases are awesome and they fit nicely with the other game cases.
Much better then those huge oversized crap tin cans like Halo 3.
Anyways only reason i didn't buy one is because i don't have a dime left in my bank account... damn it i'm dead broke.
acecombat
04-23-2008, 06:58 PM
I was waiting for a price drop on this, but what i expect it to be the PS3 version. Damn you Amazon!
CoffeeEdge
04-23-2008, 06:58 PM
Wow, droppin fast.
Related: I scored the PS3 Collector's Edition bonus materials (the steelbook case and bonus DVD) for DMC4 for like $6 shipped off eBay. So, I can get the game itself when it's dirt cheap, and basically have the Collector's Edition for a fraction of the original price.
Wonder if it will come back in stock or if Amazon will substitute another game for the DotD like they often do. I wish they had offered both the PS3 or Xbox 360 version of this though like they usually do for multiplatform DotD sales.
diablofreak
04-23-2008, 07:46 PM
" Only 1 left in stock--order soon."
WTF?
SAGExSDX
04-23-2008, 07:49 PM
hrm strangely... i got an extra $1.11 promotional certificate applied to my order so it was actually $38.88... anyone know what that was? i thought maybe it was Gold Box but i didnt have the item in my Gold Box (and my Gold Box items are still available)
crunchb3rry
04-23-2008, 08:11 PM
I'd go for this but I'd like to keep my DMC collection on Playstation. Especially when there's no massive advantage to jump ship like in GTA4.
ogbaka
04-23-2008, 08:15 PM
It's worth it. Also it's not just a tin, it's a Steelbook case.
Anyway I spent $80 on it the day it came out, but at least I got a mini art book! :\
got my free mini art book at gamestop... just ask and they had extra :)
now waiting for the game to be under $30....
NolbertoS
04-23-2008, 08:21 PM
I'd go for this but I'd like to keep my DMC collection on Playstation. Especially when there's no massive advantage to jump ship like in GTA4.
What do you mean by massive advantage?? Thought both GTAIV games were similar in quality with the 360 having the slight edge with DLC in the future.
ogbaka
04-23-2008, 08:39 PM
i have the 20gb 360 in my gold box for 5%less... anyone interested?
supraazn
04-23-2008, 08:47 PM
What do you mean by massive advantage?? Thought both GTAIV games were similar in quality with the 360 having the slight edge with DLC in the future.
Yea but that slight DLC is about 10 hours of add-on and also a new part of the city.
I dont know but that sounds like a pretty sweet deal for the 360 side.
SirMikael
04-23-2008, 08:56 PM
The one day I don't check the site while at work, and I miss out on a deal that I certainly would have taken advantage of!! :(
Vcize
04-23-2008, 09:27 PM
Bah, missed it.
bigdaddybruce44
04-23-2008, 09:41 PM
What do you mean by massive advantage?? Thought both GTAIV games were similar in quality with the 360 having the slight edge with DLC in the future.
Microsoft didn't pay $50 million for nothing. They are getting a lot exclusive content. It has been confirmed that the PS3 version, though, will also be getting its own DLC, but no details have surfaced, yet.
In for one! Glad I held out on this one.
mechachrome
04-23-2008, 11:56 PM
Of course it dropped to $40 during the day. While I was at work. Oh well, hopefully they have the same price again.
bojay1997
04-24-2008, 12:51 AM
Microsoft didn't pay $50 million for nothing. They are getting a lot exclusive content. It has been confirmed that the PS3 version, though, will also be getting its own DLC, but no details have surfaced, yet.
Except you will have to pay for the content, it won't be available until the fall and nobody really knows what it is yet. As such, I see no advantage to either version at this point.
SAGExSDX
04-24-2008, 12:54 AM
hrm strangely... i got an extra $1.11 promotional certificate applied to my order so it was actually $38.88... anyone know what that was? i thought maybe it was Gold Box but i didnt have the item in my Gold Box (and my Gold Box items are still available)
k i found out what that was... apparently it was this "HD DVD Promotion" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=160066011) (that's what my receipt said)
i dont know what it has to do with my DMC4 order and it's not like i put in any coupon code but i'll take it!
EDIT: seems i posted prematurely. i guess this was an old promotion. but it's still on my receipt so whatever
RiCeBo1
04-24-2008, 01:37 AM
fuck...I missed out on this deal :cry:
bigdaddybruce44
04-24-2008, 01:55 AM
Except you will have to pay for the content, it won't be available until the fall and nobody really knows what it is yet. As such, I see no advantage to either version at this point.
1) I would much rather have the option to pay for extra content than not have it...that's simple. This is like saying MGS4 isn't an advantage for the PS3 platform, just because you have to pay for it.
2) ...so what it won't be available until fall? The PS3 version of this content will probably never be available. Even if the "rumors" that the agreement only calls for a year of exclusivity, that's still a long, long time for to wait for the content on the PS3.
3) It has already been confirmed that the DLC is suppose add like 10 hours of gameplay. Rockstar has pretty much hinted towards it being an entire new area, not just added items and missions.
Advantage: Xbox 360
Filbert
04-24-2008, 02:12 AM
It's back in stock... I think.
(edit)I just checked it. It said there was 1 in stock. I wasn't sure if it was just a ploy but I bought it. It now shows out of stock but it took a few minutes.
I don't know why I bought it though. I have too many games to play right now. I'd rather have the PC version. And I hated the demo.
RiCeBo1
04-24-2008, 02:46 AM
It's back in stock... I think.
(edit)I just checked it. It said there was 1 in stock. I wasn't sure if it was just a ploy but I bought it. It now shows out of stock but it took a few minutes.
I don't know why I bought it though. I have too many games to play right now. I'd rather have the PC version. And I hated the demo.
Just to fuck with me huh? :lol:
EDIT: In stock now, but it's not for $40
bigdaddybruce44
04-24-2008, 02:48 AM
Just to fuck with me huh? :lol:
EDIT: In stock now, but it's not for $40
That's because Amazon doesn't have it in-stock. It is shipping from J&R.
Dynasty1756
04-25-2008, 01:53 AM
hmmm i dont see this deal anymore? I think its dead?
bigdaddybruce44
04-25-2008, 01:54 AM
This was the DotD on Wednesday.
highwaypatrolman
04-25-2008, 01:57 AM
hmmm i dont see this deal anymore? I think its dead?
yeah. for future reference the 'OOS' at the beginning of a thread title means 'Out of Stock'.
buckythekat
04-25-2008, 02:21 AM
I'm kinda annoyed at how the PS3 is now in stock...
if only it had been two days ago I would've ordered it in a heartbeat
RiCeBo1
04-25-2008, 02:30 AM
I'm kinda annoyed at how the PS3 is now in stock...
if only it had been two days ago I would've ordered it in a heartbeat
Where do you see that on? And how much is it?