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daphatty
08-18-2004, 12:31 PM
Oh please, oh please, oh please!!!!

A little Jedi stopped by the inbox today with some information fans have to pray is actually happening. Rumors at best folks ... ones we love, but we have to remind you: rumors!

You didn't hear this from me, but you might be curious as to why everyone at ILM just signed NDA's (Non Disclosure Agreement) saying that they will not discuss Star Wars EP7, 8, or 9. Since they're not being made, why the NDA's? Of course, since when has the flannel one been consistent?

Good point. Please, please be true ...

http://www.theforce.net/episode3/index.shtml#24624

jmcc
08-18-2004, 12:37 PM
"Oh please no" you mean? Lucas has and continues to prove himself incapable of doing good to the Star Wars franchise anymore. The best possible thing that could happen is for him to die and the family to farm the series out to more able writers and directors. That said, I think seeing Mara Jade in film form would be dy-no-mite.

daphatty
08-18-2004, 12:41 PM
I for one like the new trilogy. Yea it's quirky. Yea it could be WAY better. But I don't really care. I'm getting more Star Wars which is more than anyone could have asked for.

Now, if he does 7-9... Someone get me a towel.

I want them to be based on the Timothy Zahn book trilogy. That story ROCKED!

RAMSTORIA
08-18-2004, 12:44 PM
as far as im concerned there are only 3 movies in the star wars series, 4 5 6..... anything else is like unwanted red headed step child

Sartori
08-18-2004, 12:46 PM
7-9...

Timothy Zahn!

The most important part of that post.

Yes, god yes. I don't like Episode I and II very much, and he'd probably ruin Zahn, but christ.. a chance.

Ericnmel99
08-18-2004, 12:50 PM
If lucas does indead deside he wants to make 7-9, he should Definatly let other people direct them as he did with 4-6. And i agree with phatty....any star wars i can get is good enough for me.

Wshakspear
08-18-2004, 12:54 PM
Yay! more marketing so i can sell SW comics! :)

To be honest im partially excited. I try not to get hyped up on rumors, but this is just too cool. Ive enjoyed (im not saying there great) the first 2 films, 3rd one looks promising, and having an actual end to it all would be nice.

...then again, soon we will have complete CG original trilogy...

Javery
08-18-2004, 12:58 PM
I for one like the new trilogy. Yea it's quirky. Yea it could be WAY better. But I don't really care. I'm getting more Star Wars which is more than anyone could have asked for.

My thoughts exactly. I read a while back that Steven Speilberg was very interested in directing (and writing) Episodes VII, VIII and IX. It's not like he's the best but I generally enjoy his movies...

Javery
08-18-2004, 12:59 PM
Also, it would be feasable for some of the IV, V and VI cast to make appearances in these new eps... I'd love to find out what happened to Han Solo...

daphatty
08-18-2004, 01:03 PM
Rumor has it that there will be a TV series in 2K6 about the bounty hunters. That ought to be cool.

VelvetHammer
08-18-2004, 01:06 PM
Lucas and ILM could make 7-9 with just CGI and outtakes from 4-6!

No need to pay those pesky live actors!

crazytalkx
08-19-2004, 01:55 AM
NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Way to keep ruining a franchise. I'll would probably still watch them though knowing that they would suck. Like the Resident Evil movie or the sequel thats coming out September 10.

DigitalSpace
08-19-2004, 02:08 AM
I'd rather see another Star Wars Christmas special then another trilogy.

And believe me, if you haven't seen the SW Christmas special, it's probably for the best you don't. It was terrible.

TheUnsane1
08-19-2004, 02:08 AM
I really think Star Wars could use an adult turn with some PG-13 or R rated films. I mean if your going to milk a franchise at least give us crazy fights with tons of violence and gore. I imagine the Tuskan camp raid would have benifited greatly from this.

coolcps
08-19-2004, 02:23 AM
No new star wars is gonna be good as far as I am concerned becaues star wars was part of my childhood and were so awesome when I watched them, now the new ones dont have the same magic and what not, and no han solo.

guardian_owl
08-19-2004, 02:24 AM
as far as im concerned there are only 3 movies in the star wars series, 4 5 6..... anything else is like unwanted red headed step child

amen brother

Kaijufan
08-19-2004, 03:06 AM
It would be great if they could get Peter Jackson to do Episodes VII-IX.

KingDox
08-19-2004, 03:32 AM
Well I'm a big Star Wars fan I think people are too hard on EP 1 & 2. So I would love to see a new trillogy. But I also agree that they could use a new director.

batman2million
08-19-2004, 03:38 AM
George Lucas knows that hes gonna make another billion dollars off it! They over doing it...jus like Star trek..EWW!!! Don't get me wrong..i love starwars....games and movie alike.. but enough is enough..

OutlawJT
08-19-2004, 03:44 AM
I think EP1&2 are entertaining but they don't have any of the magic the original trilogy possessed.

I feel the need to point out that all of the actors are too old to reprise their roles from 4-6. At least if they use the Zahn trilogy which is the only logical choice from existing material. I think this rumor is complete bunk.
If you want my opinion, I say if they do more SW movies after Ep3 (which I am still looking forward to although I know it'll be crap compared to the original movies) they should have the team behind KOTOR at the helm. Imagine a SW movie done by the people who wrote and directed that godly game! It would be glorious. Too bad it'll never happen.

RedvsBlue
08-19-2004, 07:42 AM
I love how everyone trashes episode 1 and 2 but for some strange reason they raked in a TON of money at the box office. I can understand the argument with the episode 1 cause no one knew what they were in for but then why did episode 2 go on to make a killing in the box office as well if everyone hated the first?

Personally I liked them. Both. Period. What I liked is that they were action sci-fi movies that entertaining. Episodes 4-6 were good but at times there was just too much talk and not enough action(see Empire Strikes Back, specifically).

I dunno maybe its just the counter-culture thing that makes everyone say they hated episodes 1 and 2 but I for one enjoyed them and thought they had some of the best action sequences of any of the Star Wars movies. I'm sorry but Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan vs. Darth Maul will still stick in my mind as one of the best duels.

OnyxPrimal
08-19-2004, 08:16 AM
Now don't get me wrong. I see where people who hate the prequals are coming from, but I did enjoy them. As someone else said the Duel in PM and The jedi battle at the end of AOTC are just cool. :) I grew up wtching the Original Trilogy ever weekend for years of my life. The OT movies always had a little cheese and the new movies are more serious, I think THATS what people have a problem with.

daphatty
08-19-2004, 10:30 AM
I'm sorry but Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan vs. Darth Maul will still stick in my mind as one of the best duels.

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THIS! I've lost track on how many times I rewound the VHS tape (and eventually the DVD) just to watch that scene. Obi-Wan vs. Darth Maul. Best. SW Fight. Thus Far.

And Yes I Own BOTH the VHS and DVD of TPM.

bob_the_goon
08-19-2004, 11:58 AM
A while back IGN reported that the guy who plays Chewbacca was admitting that he signed a contract for 7-9. This would make sense since other than the drioids, Chewbacca is the only character with a long enough life span to be in those films.

Sartori
08-19-2004, 12:03 PM
A while back IGN reported that the guy who plays Chewbacca was admitting that he signed a contract for 7-9. This would make sense since other than the drioids, Chewbacca is the only character with a long enough life span to be in those films.

Basically, this is the whole issue.

The actors are too old to do Zahn's trilogy, which is a sad, sad thing..

Tenacious D
08-19-2004, 12:22 PM
I agree with a lot of the comments in this thread thus far. I would be glad to see some more Star Wars. I'm tired of the naysayers bashing Episodes 1 & 2. Honestly, the only thing I could've done without was Jar Jar.

Sartori
08-19-2004, 12:25 PM
I agree with a lot of the comments in this thread thus far. I would be glad to see some more Star Wars. I'm tired of the naysayers bashing Episodes 1 & 2. Honestly, the only thing I could've done without was Jar Jar.

Jar Jar is one of the biggest factors in Episode I sucking. It's astounding how much damage one annoying asshat can do. Yes- there are other reasons, but removing Jar Jar would have been advisable. He brought nothing to the table.

big_squirtle
08-19-2004, 12:32 PM
Everybody knows King George will never let anyone direct another star wars film. Spielberg asked to direct EP II and Lucas said no. Its all cause of what happened with EMpire Strikes Back.

Warning Spoiler:
Besides in episodes 7,8,9 Luke joins the dark side, gets trained by the emperor, Leia becomes a jedi, Luke steals the Holocron of the sith, and goes back to being good and really kills the emperor in his new body.

If he makes any new movies it should be based on the new jedi order and the solo kids, everyone else is too old. Can you imagine carrie fisher now, in the jabba the hut slave bikini........ehhhheew

daphatty
08-19-2004, 12:41 PM
Everybody knows King George will never let anyone direct another star wars film. Spielberg asked to direct EP II and Lucas said no. Its all cause of what happened with EMpire Strikes Back.

I don't quite follow you here. Exactly what are you refering to when you say "cause of what happened with Empire..."?

Warning Spoiler:
Besides in episodes 7,8,9 Luke joins the dark side, gets trained by the emperor, Leia becomes a jedi, Luke steals the Holocron of the sith, and goes back to being good and really kills the emperor in his new body.

If he makes any new movies it should be based on the new jedi order and the solo kids, everyone else is too old. Can you imagine carrie fisher now, in the jabba the hut slave bikini........ehhhheew

I need to go back and read the Zahn trilogy because I don't remember ANY of that happening in his books. That sounds more like what happened in the Dark Horse comics.

Sartori
08-19-2004, 12:47 PM
I need to go back and read the Zahn trilogy because I don't remember ANY of that happening in his books. That sounds more like what happened in the Dark Horse comics.

Nah, Zahn's stuff was based on Thrawn - as you know. This is stuff from.. grah.. can't even remember the name. I've been so out of Star Wars for years..

RBM
08-19-2004, 12:49 PM
There's a typo in this thread's topic. I think the OP meant to type:
"That bomb was our last hope. No. There may be another...." :hot:

big_squirtle
08-19-2004, 01:07 PM
I don't quite follow you here. Exactly what are you refering to when you say "cause of what happened with Empire..."?

I need to go back and read the Zahn trilogy because I don't remember ANY of that happening in his books. That sounds more like what happened in the Dark Horse comics.

Ok let me try my best to answer these,
The issue with EMpire is that, this was the only star wars film he didn't direct (Irve Kirshner or something like that). He also co wrote the screenplay with somebody else. Empire was regarded by most critics and the population at large as the best of the original trilogy movies. Everybody can see what an ego he has, and that is why he wont let anyone else direct or even write the screenplay. Just to give you an idea, originally he said he would of like to make 123, and 789. But by the time he's finished with 123 he said he would be 65 and he would rather leave it at 6 then have someone else continue the movies.

Question 2
I am refering the the dark Horse graphic novels, although I like timothy Zahn. Lucas said once if he ever did a 789 (keep in mind this was said in like 96-97 when he re-released the original trilogy in theaters) that it would follow the original characters and a dark path....or some crap like that.

Ledhed
08-19-2004, 01:11 PM
The issue with EMpire is that, this was the only star wars film he didn't direct (Irve Kirshner or something like that).

He didn't direct Return of the Jedi (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086190/) either. Richard Marquand directed it.

big_squirtle
08-19-2004, 01:17 PM
True but he still got to direct, without a directing credit because he was like up the guys ass for every shot and even did pickups.

Ledhed
08-19-2004, 01:22 PM
True but he still got to direct, without a directing credit because he was like up the guys ass for every shot and even did pickups.

True enough, but before you cited Lucas's problem being that his ego about directing was too big after Empire. If that's the case, then why isn't Lucas considered the director? Of course he was involved, Star Wars is his creation. But if it means that much to him, why let Marquand take the glory?

Steve Dave
08-19-2004, 01:36 PM
I would be in line to see new films. I just hope they aren't based on the Zahn trilogy. I don't think they will be.

big_squirtle
08-19-2004, 03:06 PM
True enough, but before you cited Lucas's problem being that his ego about directing was too big after Empire. If that's the case, then why isn't Lucas considered the director? Of course he was involved, Star Wars is his creation. But if it means that much to him, why let Marquand take the glory?

Ok let me try as best I can to explain my humble opinion,
1- I dont know why he let Marquand direct ROJ, maybe he already had a contract with the director / the studio to use him. Never the less he was still angling shots and and directing the director, you can see him do this in the old making of video clips (hopefully they will be on the new DVD's).
But honestly I dont know why he let him direct. There wasn't much glory to go with ROJ.
Granted I thought it was a great movie, but alot of critics had the same problem with the ewoks that they did with Jar Jar Binks (it dummied up the lore). I still liked the ewoks.

2- I never said his ego was to big after empire. He has a big ego, and so I think his ego has always been a little bruised. This is because the only one of the 5 released movies still regarded as the best was Empire.... the one that he had no directing opinion on.

3- Not to rant but to continue the ego theme, Lucas had some kid investigated that was giving away directions on how to re-edit versions of the Phantom Menace. The kid took the phantom menace did some editing and in the process completely eliminated Jar Jar (kill a movie) binks from the movie. This was like a couple of years back. ET (Entertainment Tonight) was going to interview the kid and the rave reviews he was getting on his version of the PM. George Lucas found out and told ET, if you interview him, you wont get the first trailer of Clone Wars. So they never interviewed him on his edit. I think his name was the phantom editor.
Hope this explains a little better, plus he does alot of other shaq-fued up things. But I wont get into that here.

Ledhed
08-19-2004, 03:12 PM
Ok let me try as best I can to explain my humble opinion,
1- I dont know why he let Marquand direct ROJ, maybe he already had a contract with the director / the studio to use him. Never the less he was still angling shots and and directing the director, you can see him do this in the old making of video clips (hopefully they will be on the new DVD's).
But honestly I dont know why he let him direct. There wasn't much glory to go with ROJ.
Granted I thought it was a great movie, but alot of critics had the same problem with the ewoks that they did with Jar Jar Binks (it dummied up the lore). I still liked the ewoks.

2- I never said his ego was to big after empire. He has a big ego, and so I think his ego has always been a little bruised. This is because the only one of the 5 released movies still regarded as the best was Empire.... the one that he had no directing opinion on.

3- Not to rant but to continue the ego theme, Lucas had some kid investigated that was giving away directions on how to re-edit versions of the Phantom Menace. The kid took the phantom menace did some editing and in the process completely eliminated Jar Jar (kill a movie) binks from the movie. This was like a couple of years back. ET (Entertainment Tonight) was going to interview the kid and the rave reviews he was getting on his version of the PM. George Lucas found out and told ET, if you interview him, you wont get the first trailer of Clone Wars. So they never interviewed him on his edit. I think his name was the phantom editor.
Hope this explains a little better, plus he does alot of other shaq-fued up things. But I wont get into that here.

I see what you're saying. I remember that Phantom edit too. Hilarious.

asaraa
08-19-2004, 03:19 PM
I agree with a lot of the comments in this thread thus far. I would be glad to see some more Star Wars. I'm tired of the naysayers bashing Episodes 1 & 2. Honestly, the only thing I could've done without was Jar Jar.

Jar Jar is one of the biggest factors in Episode I sucking. It's astounding how much damage one annoying asshat can do. Yes- there are other reasons, but removing Jar Jar would have been advisable. He brought nothing to the table.

Along with the annoying little boy Anakin. AOTC should have been Ep. 1, woth ROTS being Ep. 2.

asaraa
08-19-2004, 03:22 PM
Some New Jedi Order stuff would be cool (i got an Alien trilogy feeling while reading some of them).

I thought I heard a while back that 7-9 may even be animated.

evilpenguin9000
08-19-2004, 03:49 PM
It's funny how much damage Jar Jar did do. He's just god awful. Add Hayden Christiansen's inability to act and it really stripped what could have been decent movies down to near garbage.

Ep. 7-9 don't really need to be made do they? I mean i like Star Wars, but the odds of them being watchable aren't good. If only Lucas weren't a douche.

big_squirtle
08-19-2004, 04:16 PM
There is one thing I will defend about the movies.....the actors. These poor fools dont get a chance to act. They dont get an advance script because King George is afraid it will leak on the net. Instead they only get an outline and a synopsis of the scene. After that they are fed there lines via teleprompter, like newscasters. You can even see in some scenes when hayden is talking he looks to his sides (at a teleprompter). Lucas is such a tool.

daphatty
08-19-2004, 04:48 PM
There is one thing I will defend about the movies.....the actors. These poor fools dont get a chance to act. They dont get an advance script because King George is afraid it will leak on the net. Instead they only get an outline and a synopsis of the scene. After that they are fed there lines via teleprompter, like newscasters. You can even see in some scenes when hayden is talking he looks to his sides (at a teleprompter). Lucas is such a tool.

Um... I have to disagree here. The "making of" movies that starwars.com used to have showed the actors getting together for scene readings. Hell even the stuff that was included with the DVD sets shows the actors practicing their scripts. I'd like to know what teleprompter you read that bit of information off of.

big_squirtle
08-19-2004, 05:02 PM
I think I read it on fan site, I'd like to say it was in SW Insider but I dont remember. They were talking about clone wars and how they were using the new digital cameras, then they made mention of how they have teleprompters with the script on the set. It may be just to remind the actors of there lines, but I thought it was more of a non-disclosure type thing like he always does. I know what you mean about them having a round robin and practicing their lines, but I also remember reading another interview with Natalie Portman where she says sometimes there are 3 or 4 versions of the script and they dont know which one is the one to be used, until the day they are going to shoot the scene.
I am admiting to way too much fan-geek shit here!

big_squirtle
08-19-2004, 05:06 PM
I will say one thing that sort of pisses me off, the trilogy on DVD is going to be the fixed up one. With the snail Jabba the Hut, on top of that they arent even going to include any of the deleted scenes from the original trilogy. Supposedly there were a couple of other things fixed up (shaq-fued up more) for the DVD release. I guess we'll see.

Sartori
08-19-2004, 05:11 PM
I will say one thing that sort of pisses me off, the trilogy on DVD is going to be the fixed up one. With the snail Jabba the Hut, on top of that they arent even going to include any of the deleted scenes from the original trilogy. Supposedly there were a couple of other things fixed up (shaq-fued up more) for the DVD release. I guess we'll see.

Yep. I'm very pissed about this.

daphatty
08-19-2004, 05:14 PM
I'm not too terribly happy with the new DVD set. I get so irritated when I see the Jabba scene or the Cantina scene where Greedo fires first. Total Bullshit.

jmcc
08-19-2004, 05:23 PM
I'm not too terribly happy with the new DVD set. I get so irritated when I see the Jabba scene or the Cantina scene where Greedo fires first. Total Bullshit.

I read at IGN a while back that Greedo [correctly] no longer fired first in the DVDs. Did it get switched back again?

kaw
08-19-2004, 05:31 PM
Last I heard Greedo no longer shoots first. Which is the way it should be.

ajh2298
08-19-2004, 05:31 PM
I hate to jump in here and ask a stupid question, but is any basic story laid out for episodes 7,8, and 9, and if so what the basic backbone of the stories.

kaw
08-19-2004, 05:36 PM
I hate to jump in here and ask a stupid question, but is any basic story laid out for episodes 7,8, and 9, and if so what the basic backbone of the stories.

Timothy Zahn authored some very good novels about 10 years ago which picked up directly after Return of the Jedi. Many people think these will be the basic storyline for 7-9. They were pretty good, however, they introduced the stupid Force "bugs", I forgot the name offhand, but Lucas used them in Episode 1, and I rather like to think that the Force was just something mysterious and not insects. Overall, though the books are a pretty good read.

Sartori
08-19-2004, 05:43 PM
I hate to jump in here and ask a stupid question, but is any basic story laid out for episodes 7,8, and 9, and if so what the basic backbone of the stories.

Timothy Zahn authored some very good novels about 10 years ago which picked up directly after Return of the Jedi. Many people think these will be the basic storyline for 7-9. They were pretty good, however, they introduced the stupid Force "bugs", I forgot the name offhand, but Lucas used them in Episode 1, and I rather like to think that the Force was just something mysterious and not insects. Overall, though the books are a pretty good read.

Midichlorians.

sblymnlcrymnl
08-19-2004, 05:47 PM
Personally I think Episode 2 is the 2nd best movie after The Empire Strikes Back. New Hope is #3, then Jedi, the Ep. 1.