View Full Version : Its Goin Down!!!! (The OTT)
CaseyRyback
05-30-2008, 03:02 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEZXIf_IoEE
For my $$$$a X.
Moxio
05-30-2008, 03:02 AM
That MGS4 thread on NeoGAF is insane.
MusicNoteLess
05-30-2008, 03:02 AM
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8476/mgs4st9.png
Pookymeister
05-30-2008, 03:02 AM
SWAYZTAUR
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5319/swayzecentaursn1.jpg
zewone
05-30-2008, 03:06 AM
http://www.globalstudio.com/cody/nach_mgs.gif
MusicNoteLess
05-30-2008, 03:11 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/Neo_Vibe/3919470079.gif
zewone
05-30-2008, 03:19 AM
http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/zewone/anime/1206680976825.gif
mr ryles
05-30-2008, 03:20 AM
I used to love this song. Oh to be young again.
Moxio
05-30-2008, 03:31 AM
Z soon.
LinkinPrime
05-30-2008, 03:33 AM
It's got Mike Shinoda and most of LP...I approve. 8-)
ph33r m3
05-30-2008, 03:36 AM
Watching this video actually pisses me off, and makes me miss how good Linkin Park was.
This song was the shit in 5th grade, like you don't even know.
This one Carlton-lookin $$$$a was mean muggin' me the whole day at recess, and the whole time I was wondering what the fuck did I do? So, I ask around the blacktop, the blacktop was like a block long, but it felt like miles, I was trecking from the 'cool' group to that kid who sits down in a corner and eats his lunch while wondering how the hell he's going to blow up the school. Finally, my best friend Taylor comes up to me and says "That kid over there is mad at you because he thinks you pooped in his cubby". I felt like an atom-bomb was dropped on me, Me? I pooped in his cubby? Pssh you wish my feces would grace your personal space. Still to this day, the kid hates me, I even tried to add the $$$$a on Facebook to no avail.
mr ryles
05-30-2008, 03:38 AM
He called the shit poop!
DT778
05-30-2008, 03:40 AM
Oh shit. How did I miss this episode of the boondocks. They got that teacher that says "$$$$a this, $$$$a that. Can a $$$$a barrow a pencil" from the youtube. Fucking laughs.
zewone
05-30-2008, 03:42 AM
Watching this video actually pisses me off, and makes me miss how good Linkin Park was.
You've lost all credibility Jinsanity.
LinkinPrime
05-30-2008, 03:44 AM
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/8476/mgs4st9.png
Is that a joke as to how many DVD's it would take to fit the game on the X360?
zewone
05-30-2008, 03:44 AM
Is that a joke as to how many DVD's it would take to fit the game on the X360?
Yeah, a very old joke.
LinkinPrime
05-30-2008, 03:46 AM
Pretty bad one at that too.
MusicNoteLess
05-30-2008, 03:53 AM
It's not a joke, it's fact. 8-)
Moxio
05-30-2008, 04:06 AM
MNL = PSTripull fanboy.
MusicNoteLess
05-30-2008, 04:07 AM
No, the 360 just sucks. 8-)
SingStar4lyfe.
Moxio
05-30-2008, 04:26 AM
Z.
SneakyPenguin
05-30-2008, 05:38 AM
I forgot how fucking delicious Baileys is. I could use that stuff as milk for my cereal.
zewone
05-30-2008, 05:49 AM
The Happening Red Band trailer is sick.
CAUTION! VIDEO MAY BE NSFW!THIS IS A RED BAND TRAILER WHICH MEANS THEY CAN SHOW GORE! IF YOUR STEPCHILDREN ARE IN THE ROOM ASK THEM TO LEAVE!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rFU6Qyjb8aA
SneakyPenguin
05-30-2008, 05:54 AM
M. Night Shmalamadingdong is such a fucking hack.
dcfox
05-30-2008, 05:55 AM
What's all this about stepchildren, Zew? That's the second time you mentioned it.
zewone
05-30-2008, 05:58 AM
M. Night Shmalamadingdong is such a fucking hack.
I think so to. But, you got to admit this one looks interesting.
What's all this about stepchildren, Zew? That's the second time you mentioned it.
LinkinPrime likes to give out infractions/warnings if his step daughter has the opportunity of seeing something naughty.
I don't want her to see anything naughty I post. (Even though she didn't when I got my infraction/warning).
SneakyPenguin
05-30-2008, 06:03 AM
I think so to. But, you got to admit this one looks interesting.
I lost interest and started laughing as soon as the "We lost contact" bit started. The only thing that looked cool at all was the dude lying down in front of the lawnmower. But seriously, oh noes, people suddenly commit suicide! That's not a horror movie, that's a cure for societies ills.
zewone
05-30-2008, 06:06 AM
I liked the guy getting eating by the lion, but "everybody" line was corny.
Rocko
05-30-2008, 06:35 AM
Well, that's it.
Real shit has gone down.
lilboo
05-30-2008, 06:48 AM
imma CRY!
it's Friday ^_^
What a long ass fuckin week. :bomb:
(looking foward to my weekend alone!<3)
lordwow
05-30-2008, 07:03 AM
MORNING OTT.
Good to see you all :grouphug:
Maklershed
05-30-2008, 07:15 AM
Morning OTT. Friggin beautiful out already and it's only gonna get better. I can't wait to get home. I have an evening of drinking and horseshoes planned.
It's not a joke, it's fact. 8-)
Riddle me this then .. if it takes 15 dvds for a 360 game to match up to a ps3 blu-ray game, why is that the ps3 games don't seem to look any better than ps3 games. Or dont have more content? Couldn't you argue that picture isn't a blast against the 360 so much as it is against the ps3? The 360 is getting the same results with archaic media technology (standard dvd) as the ps3 is doing with next gen media.
Morning OTT
Noticed at 10:45 last night that my POS DVR had only taped the first hour of the Lost finale. :fridge:
tvguide.com listed it as a solid 2 hour block and I checked to make sure it was scheduled to record at 9 not thinking to make sure that was going to be a 2 hour recording. :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:
lordwow
05-30-2008, 07:20 AM
Morning OTT. Friggin beautiful out already and it's only gonna get better. I can't wait to get home. I have an evening of drinking and horseshoes planned.
Riddle me this then .. if it takes 15 dvds for a 360 game to match up to a ps3 blu-ray game, why is that the ps3 games don't seem to look any better than ps3 games. Or dont have more content? Couldn't you argue that picture isn't a blast against the 360 so much as it is against the ps3? The 360 is getting the same results with archaic media technology (standard dvd) as the ps3 is doing with next gen media.
Come on Mak, we all know that the PS3 just hasn't unleashed it's true potential. You'll see in 8-10 years.
:lol:
Maklershed
05-30-2008, 07:21 AM
Morning OTT
Noticed at 10:45 last night that my POS DVR had only taped the first hour of the Lost finale. :fridge:
tvguide.com listed it as a solid 2 hour block and I checked to make sure it was scheduled to record at 9 not thinking to make sure that was going to be a 2 hour recording. :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:
That sucks. You need to see that shite to the end. The last 30 minutes was OTHB. And the last thing they show before the credits is :whee:
Come on Mak, we all know that the PS3 just hasn't unleashed it's true potential. You'll see in 8-10 years.
:lol:
The 360 will have moved on to holograms by then!
I guess I'll watch it on abc.com or find it by some other means. But it's just not the same as watching it in HD on my nice set.
I checked and it's not being reaired. They'll probably reair it before the first epi of next season but I ain't waiting a year to see it in HD.
zewone
05-30-2008, 07:24 AM
MGS4 is supposed to be 50GBs, it would only take 6 DVDs.
---
Ninja Gaiden 2 demo is up! (in Japan).
Maklershed
05-30-2008, 07:24 AM
While we're all :ggt: here, I'd like to say I personally HATE the speculation that Microsoft and Nintendo both have a console in the works for release in 2010. A 5 year cycle is WAY too short in my opinion.
lordwow
05-30-2008, 07:26 AM
I would be happier if they went to like a 7-year cycle or something.
10 is too long, 5 is too short.
Though I do love mad crazy deals when the 720 comes out and then all the 360 games start getting clearanced like last gen. I don't think I spent more than $20 on an Xbox game.
Maklershed
05-30-2008, 07:27 AM
Yeah 7 sounds good. That's probably what the PS2 was right?
lordwow
05-30-2008, 07:30 AM
:whee:
July 1st = CAG 2.0 says Cheapy on the CAGCast
zewone
05-30-2008, 07:36 AM
Yeah 7 sounds good. That's probably what the PS2 was right?
It was 6 years until the release of the PS3. '00-'06.
Dkellar
05-30-2008, 07:36 AM
Har.
zewone
05-30-2008, 07:36 AM
:whee:
July 1st = CAG 2.0 says Cheapy on the CAGCast
Hopefully this god awful infraction system isn't compatible with the new forums.
lordwow
05-30-2008, 07:37 AM
Hopefully this god awful infraction system isn't compatible with the new forums.
I heard the new forums are built around the infraction system :lol:
zewone
05-30-2008, 07:39 AM
8-)
Everybody gets 1 free point with the change over.
lordwow
05-30-2008, 07:41 AM
Everybody gets 1 free point with the change over.
Should make it a BOGO
Maklershed
05-30-2008, 07:41 AM
:whee:
July 1st = CAG 2.0 says Cheapy on the CAGCast
People can shit on the mod's chests and act like victims in their own personal blogs! :whee:
I wonder if the blogs will be moderated. Like when Inu was having a personal war with [insert OTT user name]. Would he have been able to just talk shit abou them in his blog thingy?
zewone
05-30-2008, 07:42 AM
I can't wait to read more essays about me in everyone's blogs. 8-)
Should make it a BOGO
Good idea.
Although IIRC Platinum members get 3 free points.
Maklershed
05-30-2008, 07:43 AM
Dear Blog,
Zew is that $$$$a except for when it comes to his thoughts on Uncharted and Max Payne.
~Maklershed
I'm gonna use mine to hype Halo 3. :bouncy:
But don't worry I'll cross post everything in the OTT so you guys don't miss out. :grouphug:
lordwow
05-30-2008, 07:46 AM
Mak, that's a pretty fascinating point.
If they are moderated like the forums... that kinda defeats the whole purpose of a blog?
I'll probably just keep with my Wordpress blog and copy stuff that I think CAGs might find interesting over.
Does CAG seem a bit slow this morning or is it just me?
Chika
05-30-2008, 07:50 AM
godamm the dogs waking me up at 7:30 on my day off
lordwow
05-30-2008, 07:51 AM
Does CAG seem a bit slow this morning or is it just me?
Should seen this place Monday morning.
I meant the server. :oops:
But yeah I imagine Monday morning was a wasteland.
lordwow
05-30-2008, 07:55 AM
I meant the server. :oops:
Oh.
Maybe I'm slow this morning! :whee:
Maklershed
05-30-2008, 07:55 AM
CAAAAAAAG wasteland ... it's a CAG wasteland.
munch
05-30-2008, 07:57 AM
I'm back on dial up for the next few days. It is literally painful.
Dkellar
05-30-2008, 08:02 AM
Dial up....the good old days...
I'm a little disappointed in the new Naruto chapter.
munch
05-30-2008, 08:11 AM
I've been doing this for the past 15 minutes but it won't load because I'm on dial up. Will someone look up the closest K Mart within 50 miles of the zip code 36032? You can go to www.kmart.com to find out under the store locator.
lordwow
05-30-2008, 08:13 AM
I've been doing this for the past 15 minutes but it won't load because I'm on dial up. Will someone look up the closest K Mart within 50 miles of the zip code 36032? You can go to www.kmart.com to find out under the store locator.
KMART
KMART STORES
1880 EAST MAIN STREE
PRATTVILLE, AL 36066
Dkellar
05-30-2008, 08:14 AM
Too slow :(
lilboo
05-30-2008, 08:15 AM
Mario RPG comes out on VC in Japan in June.. >_<
Just found one munch:
KMART
KMART STORES
1880 EAST MAIN STREE
PRATTVILLE, AL 36066
Phone Numbers
Store: (334)365-9460
Pharmacy: (334)365-9480
Portrait Studio: (334)365-2860
Picture Maker: (334)365-9384
Store Hours
Mon-Fri: 8:00 am - 10:00 pm
Sat: 8:00 am - 10:00 pm
Sun: 8:00 am - 9:00 pm
Get Directions
PHARMACYPORTRAIT STUDIOPICTURE MAKER
lilboo
05-30-2008, 08:16 AM
Wubb, this is for you <3
munch
05-30-2008, 08:17 AM
Gracias. I tried to go there but a tornado took it out a few months ago. That K Mart had been good to me. Do you think you could extend it 100 miles? I have a hunch one is close.
Wubb, this is for you <3
Cool I'll have to check that out.
Won't be able to check it on my Wii however since I don't have the browser.
100 miles:
1 KMART
KMART STORES
1880 EAST MAIN STREE
PRATTVILLE, AL 36066
Phone Numbers
Store: (334)365-9460
Pharmacy: (334)365-9480
Portrait Studio: (334)365-2860
Picture Maker: (334)365-9384
Store Hours
Mon-Fri: 8:00 am - 10:00 pm
Sat: 8:00 am - 10:00 pm
Sun: 8:00 am - 9:00 pm
Get Directions
PHARMACYPORTRAIT STUDIOPICTURE MAKER
2 KMART
KMART STORES
2047 E UNIVERSITY DR
AUBURN, AL 36830
Phone Numbers
Store: (334)821-4150
Pharmacy: (334)821-4056
Portrait Studio: (334)502-3358
Picture Maker: (334)821-4150
Store Hours
Mon-Fri: 8:00 am - 10:00 pm
Sat: 8:00 am - 10:00 pm
Sun: 8:00 am - 9:00 pm
Get Directions
PHARMACYPORTRAIT STUDIOPICTURE MAKER
3 KMART
KMART STORES
2185 REEVES STREET
DOTHAN, AL 36303
Phone Numbers
Store: (334)794-8756
Pharmacy: (334)794-0623
Picture Maker: (334)794-8756
Store Hours
Mon-Fri: 8:00 am - 10:00 pm
Sat: 8:00 am - 10:00 pm
Sun: 8:00 am - 9:00 pm
Get Directions
PHARMACYPICTURE MAKER
4 KMART
KMART STORES
2214 ROSS CLARK CIRC
DOTHAN, AL 36301
Phone Numbers
Store: (334)793-6633
Pharmacy: (334)793-6766
Portrait Studio: (334)673-2373
Picture Maker: (334)793-6633
Store Hours
Mon-Fri: 8:00 am - 10:00 pm
Sat: 8:00 am - 10:00 pm
Sun: 8:00 am - 9:00 pm
Get Directions
PHARMACYPORTRAIT STUDIOPICTURE MAKER
5 KMART
KMART STORES
2003 US HWY 280 BYPA
PHENIX CITY, AL 36867
Phone Numbers
Store: (334)291-9773
Pharmacy: (334)291-3076
Portrait Studio: (334)214-5267
Picture Maker: (334)291-9773
Store Hours
Mon-Fri: 8:00 am - 10:00 pm
Sat: 8:00 am - 10:00 pm
Sun: 8:00 am - 9:00 pm
Get Directions
PHARMACYPORTRAIT STUDIOPICTURE MAKER
6 KMART
KMART STORES
635 SKYLAND BLVD
TUSCALOOSA, AL 35405
Phone Numbers
Store: (205)759-4461
Pharmacy: (205)752-3504
Picture Maker: (205)759-4461
Store Hours
Mon-Fri: 8:00 am - 10:00 pm
Sat: 8:00 am - 10:00 pm
Sun: 8:00 am - 9:00 pm
Get Directions
PHARMACYPICTURE MAKER
lordwow
05-30-2008, 08:21 AM
:lol: I remember in the summer of 2004 the grocery store I worked for ran out of Pringles.
Like completely out, there was a huge gaping empty shelf space in the middle of the aisle.
It took our management about a week to find out, but the Pringles plant actually got hit by a tornado, and it took them about 3 months to restock us.
My supermarket is always out of Don Pepino pizza sauce. Maybe they got hit by a tornado?
lordwow
05-30-2008, 08:25 AM
My grocery store is always out of everything that's on sale. The other day, they were out of yogurt. All of it.
You'd think a blizzard was going to hit Boston or something.
munch
05-30-2008, 08:25 AM
Thanks Wubb. 2 K Marts in Dothan? Wow. I'm going to hit the K Mart in Auburn up on Monday. I hope they have a couple of controllers.
And I asked this yesterday, but does anyone want UNO or Robotron? I can send the code to you if you want them.
lordwow
05-30-2008, 08:26 AM
Munch, you're going to drive like 70+ Miles to a KMart?
lilboo
05-30-2008, 08:28 AM
Don Peppino pizza sauce = :drool: x a BILLION
munch
05-30-2008, 08:28 AM
I'm going to be there on Monday to visit old friends (I graduated from Auburn), so I'll stop by to see what they have. Dothan does intrigue me. I wonder how far it is? I've never been there before so I don't know.
Chika
05-30-2008, 08:32 AM
i know there's a thread for this but holy fuck last night's Lost was awesome
I'll take a Robotron code munch. :D
Don Peppino pizza sauce = :drool: x a BILLION
Hell yeah. And it's the cheapest one on the shelf. And it comes in a can. Pizza sauce in a can > pizza sauce in a bottle.
lordwow
05-30-2008, 08:45 AM
Yay for doing a fantasy baseball draft during work.
Chika
05-30-2008, 08:47 AM
time for breakky. later OTT.
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 09:02 AM
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee170/hookedoncrack/untitled-7.jpg
Looks like our friend ANDY P4NDY wants to fight.
lordwow
05-30-2008, 09:07 AM
Looks like our friend ANDY P4NDY wants to fight.
It's prob cause he's British.
darthbudge
05-30-2008, 09:09 AM
:whee: I am back!
What did I miss?
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 09:10 AM
Another 12 yr old wants to throw down with ya, budge.
His names Andy and he can drink a 10 pack of Capri Sun in minutes.
Yeah the OTT all decided to replace you with this British guy, but I stuck up for ya.
darthbudge
05-30-2008, 09:19 AM
Yeah the OTT all decided to replace you with this British guy, but I stuck up for ya.
It is alright Wubb. Nobody can replace me. Btw, you should have been on Halo yesterday.
lordwow
05-30-2008, 09:20 AM
Wubb only stuck up for him because he said that Halo 3 is the national game of England.
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 09:25 AM
Dang, one of my friends was hit by a drunk driver and is in ICU. :'[
Poor gal.
lordwow
05-30-2008, 09:27 AM
That sucks TFN
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 09:28 AM
I told y'all Mejico was tough! :|
It was the same girl who had her car stolen and chopped up across the border by a ''friend''. She got a new car last week and got smashed by some dummy that didn't see a red light. Talk about shitty luck.
senorwoohoo
05-30-2008, 09:29 AM
That blows, teef.
darthbudge
05-30-2008, 09:29 AM
I was on Halo for a bit.
I must have missed you.
Dang, one of my friends was hit by a drunk driver and is in ICU. :'[
Poor gal.
That sucks, I hope she gets better.
JohnnyFoxDarko
05-30-2008, 09:30 AM
Budge > Andy.
Whachu talkin' bout.
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 09:32 AM
I'd trade JFD for daroga or CoffeeEdge.
darthbudge
05-30-2008, 09:35 AM
I'd trade JFD for daroga or CoffeeEdge.
JFD > TFN 8-)
EDIT:
:whee: Mass Effect PC is in the process of being "delivered" to me right now.
I think the OTT Halo team should all shave our heads to build a strong sense of team.
strummerbs
05-30-2008, 09:36 AM
LAST DAY!!!
I am so ready to get out of here. Moving out tomorrow and start my new job Monday.
JohnnyFoxDarko
05-30-2008, 09:37 AM
Duh. 8-)
darthbudge
05-30-2008, 09:37 AM
I think the OTT Halo team should all shave our heads to build a strong sense of team.
We should all do it at the same time on our Vision cameras. 8-)
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 09:39 AM
You're just saying that cause we want to replace you with a 14 yr old British kid that saved up his cash in 2006 to buy an OG Xbox with his dad.
Great idea. I don't have a vision cam but I'll just watch the rest of you. :dallow:
JohnnyFoxDarko
05-30-2008, 09:41 AM
I thought he said it because I had much more appealing qualities. 8-)
dcfox
05-30-2008, 09:44 AM
I think the OTT Halo team should all shave our heads to build a strong sense of team.
I think you guys should wear gold thongs.
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 09:46 AM
''My blue shoes got dirt on them today, OTT.''
corrosivefrost
05-30-2008, 09:46 AM
What kind of Halo fanboy doesn't have the vision cam?
manthing
05-30-2008, 09:53 AM
Morning OTT
munch: Don't give the penguin shit
Wubb: you don't have a Vision Cam? Loser.
senorwoohoo
05-30-2008, 09:55 AM
GTA4 question
I just killed Playboy X instead of Dwayne. How far along am I? I also just did that helicopter mission with Lil' Soodster.
lordwow
05-30-2008, 09:56 AM
I'm not shaving my head.
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 09:57 AM
Half way or a bit more?
That helicopter mission was fun. Dude smoggin' your shit up while you're trying to fly. 8-)
manthing
05-30-2008, 09:57 AM
WooWoo, about 1/3 to 9/20 finished.
lordwow
05-30-2008, 09:59 AM
Woohoo: I was there at about 10 hours in.
dallow
05-30-2008, 09:59 AM
Enjoy it Strummer. Last days are always fun (if that's what you wanted :P )
senorwoohoo
05-30-2008, 10:01 AM
Alright, thanks, guys.
I'm at like 14 hours or so because I've spent some time messing around and doing cop stuff and whatnot.
manthing
05-30-2008, 10:02 AM
dallow
When's your last day?
:lol:
dallow
05-30-2008, 10:03 AM
Whatnot whatnot whatnot!
June 30th Manthing!
but my first day with GE is July 1
Maklershed
05-30-2008, 10:08 AM
i know there's a thread for this but holy fuck last night's Lost was awesome
And Wubb missed it. I can't believe who was in the coffin!
:whee: I am back!
What did I miss?
Jehova stopped by and asked where you were and then just left.
Another 12 yr old wants to throw down with ya, budge.
His names Andy and he can drink a 10 pack of Capri Sun in minutes.
I loled hard
I think the OTT Halo team should all shave our heads to build a strong sense of team.
I think you guys should wear gold thongs.
Way ahead of you guys.
manthing
05-30-2008, 10:08 AM
dallow:
:grouphug:
Good to see your employment will continue after the buyout.
Still gonna have that shitty commute?
darthbudge
05-30-2008, 10:09 AM
So Dallow was the only guy to ask about me? I am dissapointed in the rest of you.
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 10:11 AM
JFD - the office is looking for a new runner/handy dude and the job is easy. its downtown over here in mcallen and the pay is 9.50 + mileage (.505 cents a mile). all ya need is a car full time and able to do shit on time when asked. yesterday, the temporary runner and I had to move 59 boxes downstairs for a case they're starting and each box was around 30-40 pounds a piece. you'll probably be doing that type of crap on a daily basis, but if you're interested and don't mind driving around all day or lifting/moving the dumbest shit, i'll put in a good word for ya.
dallow
05-30-2008, 10:13 AM
Sounds like you hate JFD, TFN.
Yup Manthing, an awful commute.
This is cool:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080530/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/brazil_indians
RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil - One of Brazil's last uncontacted Indian tribes has been spotted in the far western Amazon jungle near the Peruvian border, the National Indian Foundation said Thursday.
The Indians were sighted in an Ethno-Environmental Protected Area along the Envira River in flights over remote Acre state, said the government foundation, known as Funai.
Funai said it photographed "strong and healthy" warriors, six huts and a large planted area. But it was not known to which tribe they belonged, the group said.
Picture is kinda creepy.
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa297/vyer_photos/zl8cxu.jpg
Maklershed
05-30-2008, 10:13 AM
JFD - don't take that black thing with ya to the interview.
lilboo
05-30-2008, 10:14 AM
I just applied to school :shock:
:whee:
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 10:15 AM
Dang @ last indian tribe up in RDJ
I don't hate JFD... he said he needed a job. It would help him man up a bit. :D
dallow
05-30-2008, 10:15 AM
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080529/i/r2015302589.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080530/i/ra828123415.jpg
strummerbs
05-30-2008, 10:16 AM
Whatnot whatnot whatnot!
June 30th Manthing!
but my first day with GE is July 1
Are you still going to look for another position, or are you comfortable with moving to GE?
Well I saw the post where you said you were gone until Friday so...
Although I did ask if anybody knew where you were going.
dallow
05-30-2008, 10:21 AM
Depends how the commute feels to me.
I have a feeling it's going to be about 45 mins of driving, possibly more.
manthing
05-30-2008, 10:23 AM
Eewwwwwwww
45 minutes of driving? Yuck
I don't suppose there's a transit option?
I don't particularly hate driving for a long time, but being stuck in sloooooooooooow traffic makes me comtemplate seppuku
:twoguns::fridge:
darthbudge
05-30-2008, 10:27 AM
Well I saw the post where you said you were gone until Friday so...
Although I did ask if anybody knew where you were going.
I was just staying over at a friends house, and didn't have any internet.
Zahn pens a damn good Star Wars novel.
dallow
05-30-2008, 10:30 AM
A Japanese man puzzled by food mysteriously disappearing from his refrigerator got a shock when he discovered a woman had been living in his home for months without permission, police said today.
The 57-year-old man who lives alone - or so he thought - in the western city of Fukuoka installed a security camera and called the police when he saw images of someone walking around his home while he was out.
"We searched the house in the man's presence. We found the woman in the closet," said a local police spokesman.
The woman, named as 58-year-old Tatsuko Horikawa, was found in a flat storage space only just big enough for a person to squeeze into lying down.
She had sneaked a mattress and several plastic bottles into the cubby hole, police said, adding that the women had been arrested.
"She told police that she had nowhere to live," the spokesman said. "She seems to have lived there for about a year, but not all the time."
It is unclear how she managed to enter the home undetected. Police suspect she might have been closet-hopping, moving from house to house.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/woman-hides-in-closet--for-a-year/2008/05/30/1211654289865.html
manthing
05-30-2008, 10:32 AM
Which one Pengy?
That trilogy that kicked off the SW novels was OTHB
I can't believe there hasn't been a bunch of those characters made into figures, like C'Baoth
It's been almost 20 years since they first hit:oldman:
Which one Pengy?
That trilogy that kicked off the SW novels was OTHB
I can't believe there hasn't been a bunch of those characters made into figures, like C'Baoth
It's been almost 20 years since they first hit:oldman:
Thrawn trilogy? I didn't know that was the first of the SW books.
I'm just reading a random one-off at the moment - Allegiance - set just after ANH I believe. Good stuff, quick and light reading. Although in some aspects these novels set inside the main movies are a little bit hollow as you know nothing is really going to happen to Luke, Han, Leia, etc.
Kind of the same deal with Lost when they have that big hoo-ha around Jack needing his appendix out a few epis ago. Uh, we already see he makes it off the island in the flash forwards so there isn't much real drama there...
Anyway, finished Outbound Flight a couple weeks back and I have Survivor's Quest out from the library now. I think after SQ I'll have read all of Zahn's SW novels. :cry:
lordwow
05-30-2008, 10:37 AM
I think I may go to Target this weekend and get some LEGOs
manthing
05-30-2008, 10:41 AM
Dammit pinguino...Get these before you read any other garbage:
Heir to the Empire
Dark Force Rising
The Last Command
They are the best of the post Endor SW novels
Wow, don't forget the $5 off $25 coupon
Dammit pinguino...Get these before you read any other garbage:
Heir to the Empire
Dark Force Rising
The Last Command
They are the best of the post Endor SW novels
Yeah I've read those long ago. That's why I said after SQ I'll have read all of Zahn's SW novels. Try to keep up mandunce.
lordwow
05-30-2008, 10:48 AM
Wow, don't forget the $5 off $25 coupon
$$$$er please, I got that coupon printed and ready to go.
manthing
05-30-2008, 10:52 AM
Yeah I've read those long ago. That's why I said after SQ I'll have read all of Zahn's SW novels. Try to keep up mandunce.
Eat me pengy. Zahn wrote like a dozen SW books. I'm just trying to funnel your waddlin ass towards the quality ones:booty:
JolietJake
05-30-2008, 10:57 AM
I do not want to go to work today.I feel like crap, damn allergies.
manthing
05-30-2008, 10:59 AM
For the pengy
http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/f/fc/HeirEmpire_Cs.jpg
dallow
05-30-2008, 11:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCB3QZ-rtQA
lordwow
05-30-2008, 11:01 AM
1/2 done with work!
:whee: lunch in 30 minutes
senorwoohoo
05-30-2008, 11:07 AM
I need to start eating more than just a banana for breakfast.
lordwow
05-30-2008, 11:08 AM
I started eating like Nutragrain bars and such for breakfast. Basically whatever kind is on sale when I go grocery shopping.
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 11:10 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/28/dining/28flavor.html?_r=2&no_interstitial&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
sounds like something maklerslosingallhishair would do.
I know I would.
lilboo
05-30-2008, 11:10 AM
I need to start eating more than just a banana for breakfast.
http://www.nimmot.net/base/smilies/rimshot-ihc.gif
manthing
05-30-2008, 11:11 AM
Holy shit...
I never knew fuck was made for Game boy
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120267487527&indexURL=0#ebayphotohosting
And it looks like it's Super Game Boy enhanced!!
lordwow
05-30-2008, 11:12 AM
Ugh hate flying USAirways,
At least it's non-stop.
and free
SithFran
05-30-2008, 11:19 AM
The OP video gave me a lobotomy.
And I thought Zahn only wrote five, maybe 6 SW books?
senorwoohoo
05-30-2008, 11:20 AM
http://www.nimmot.net/base/smilies/rimshot-ihc.gif
<3
darthbudge
05-30-2008, 11:22 AM
I need to start eating more than just a banana for breakfast.
I usually just have a large cup of coffee.
Dkellar
05-30-2008, 11:23 AM
My commute is close to a total of an hour and a half one way. Plus a 15 minute walk from the bus stop to work.
lordwow
05-30-2008, 11:23 AM
The OP video gave me a lobotomy.
And I thought Zahn only wrote five, maybe 6 SW books?
From Wikipedia:
Star Wars
[edit] Thrawn trilogy
* Heir to the Empire (1991)
* Dark Force Rising (1992)
* The Last Command (1993)
[edit] Hand of Thrawn series
* Specter of the Past (1997)
* Vision of the Future (1998)
[edit] Other Star Wars novels
* Survivor's Quest (2004)
* Outbound Flight (2006)
* Allegiance (2007)
[edit] Graphic novels
* Mara Jade: By the Emperor's Hand; a graphic novel with Michael A. Stackpole (1999)
* Mara Jade: A Night on the Town, comic in Star Wars Tales 1
* Specter of Thrawn (cancelled)
Plus numerous short stories in other collections
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 11:23 AM
You're too young for coffee, budge.
Shit is bad for yo teef.
senorwoohoo
05-30-2008, 11:25 AM
Well I had a coffee and a bananer.
Not enough for someone with my metabolism.
But I was too lazy to make an egg and ham samich.
darthbudge
05-30-2008, 11:26 AM
You're too young for coffee, budge.
Shit is bad for yo teef.
I have been drinking coffee for at least 3 years now. I couldn't live without the stuff.
EDIT: That is why I usually just have Coffee, I am too lazy to make myself breakfast.
manthing
05-30-2008, 11:31 AM
Budge,
You don't need coffee so stay away from that.
Plus I thought J-dubbs were against stimulation?
Also, can you eat rare steaks?
SithFran
05-30-2008, 11:32 AM
From Wikipedia:
Plus numerous short stories in other collections
Thanks wow. Guess it's been awhile since I've stopped reading them. I started when Heir to the Empire came out, stopped a few years after that then came back during that series where Chewie died but I only read half the series. Is it worth finishing?
terribledeli
05-30-2008, 11:32 AM
The US got hosed on SingStar content this morning. No "Don't Stop Me Now". Thumbs Down
All we got was Avril Lavigne which I bought anyway
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 11:33 AM
''J-dubbs"
:rofl:
manthing
05-30-2008, 11:35 AM
Teefer, I'm trying to make 'em cool with the kids.
8-)
dallow
05-30-2008, 11:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVaj2XZhSL8
The OP video gave me a lobotomy.
And I thought Zahn only wrote five, maybe 6 SW books?
Yep this is basically correct. (Not counting the graphic novels wow included in his list.) mandunce strikes again.
Well has coffee stunted your growth then budge?
manthing
05-30-2008, 11:44 AM
Yep this is basically correct. (Not counting the graphic novels wow included in his list.) mandunce strikes again.
Basically correct?
8>6
Math $$$$a!!
dallow
05-30-2008, 11:45 AM
TFN, your boy takes a trip to Japan and buys videogames
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVaj2XZhSL8
So "like a dozen" is closer to 8 than 6? mandunce math strikes again.
senorwoohoo
05-30-2008, 11:48 AM
I watched that video, dallow.
Pretty good stuff.
Dkellar
05-30-2008, 11:49 AM
Fucking god damn CAD software crashed grraaaa
manthing
05-30-2008, 11:51 AM
WTF am I doing arguing about SW books?
Next thing you know I'll rebuy Gaylo 3 and get a :wii:
:-#
lordwow
05-30-2008, 11:51 AM
I'm not a big fan of small talk with the people behind the counter, but today at the deli place, the guy was chatting with me and made me what he said is the biggest sub he's made. He even weighed it, it's about 1 1/2 lbs!
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 11:54 AM
Why'd you post the same video twice, dallow?
I saw it the first time. :/
darthbudge
05-30-2008, 11:57 AM
Budge,
You don't need coffee so stay away from that.
Plus I thought J-dubbs were against stimulation?
Also, can you eat rare steaks?
Nah, you are thinking of Mormons. "J-dubbs" are probably some of the biggest coffee drinkers you will meet.
Also, some people don't eat Rare Steaks, but for most part everyone would eat a rare steak.
lordwow
05-30-2008, 11:58 AM
Dallow is gonna start posting the same video every few hours in an attempt to brainwash us.
manthing
05-30-2008, 12:02 PM
New :ds: Castlevania footage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjn9a8Bxvbs
:drool:
st0neface
05-30-2008, 12:03 PM
Why has my cousin's profile been loading up when I turn on my 360 instead of mine?
seanr1221
05-30-2008, 12:04 PM
NICE. Thanks god they ditched the anime.
senorwoohoo
05-30-2008, 12:05 PM
Yo fudge, you figure out your port shit yet?
Why has my cousin's profile been loading up when I turn on my 360 instead of mine?
You cousin is a h4x0r.
To be certain see if he weighs the same as a duck.
I think you just want to 'enable auto-login' on your profile next time you are on it and that will switch it to your profile. It should be somewhere on the menu that pops up when you select your gamercard.
manthing
05-30-2008, 12:17 PM
Frosty...you around?
You still want Naruto if I can get it for $5?
seanr1221
05-30-2008, 12:18 PM
Wow, I think I've found a half decent girl for once...
I'll take a 2nd copy of Halo 3 if you can get that for $5 manny.
Also have you put the OTHB headset in the mail to me yet?
Maklershed
05-30-2008, 12:22 PM
And I found a decent half girl for once ...
seanr1221
05-30-2008, 12:25 PM
And I found a decent half girl for once ...
:rofl:
We'll see, so far everything I know about her is really great.
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 12:26 PM
Ninja Gaiden II!
:drool:
Must... go... home!
manthing
05-30-2008, 12:28 PM
I'll take a 2nd copy of Halo 3 if you can get that for $5 manny.
Also have you put the OTHB headset in the mail to me yet?
FUP!
http://www.msn-names.co.uk/emoticons/finger.gif
http://www.cursors-4u.com/smilies/images1/smi34.gif
http://www.drycounty.com/jovitalk/images/smilies/finger.gif
JolietJake
05-30-2008, 12:29 PM
I wish i had a camera right now, there are two vultures on the roof of the building i'm in.
manthing
05-30-2008, 12:30 PM
http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/images/kotaku/2008/05/DSC01984.JPG
Want these...
And I don't even care about ANY of those games
corrosivefrost
05-30-2008, 12:34 PM
Frosty...you around?
You still want Naruto if I can get it for $5?
Yessir!
Dear internet users,
Bold statement!!!11!!ELEVEN! isn't funny any longer.
Thanks.
Maklershed
05-30-2008, 12:35 PM
Dear Wubb,
Please sign your posts with your username so I can tell it was you that wrote said post.
~Maklershed
(I'm just guessing you wrote that last post)
LinkinPrime
05-30-2008, 12:37 PM
http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/images/kotaku/2008/05/DSC01984.JPG
Want these...
And I don't even care about ANY of those games
:shock: I want them too...where did you see these?
Dear Wubb,
Please sign your posts with your username so I can tell it was you that wrote said post.
~Maklershed
(I'm just guessing you wrote that last post)
My writing style is usually enough to identify my posts but I see your point. Good suggestion.
~~wubb
Maklershed
05-30-2008, 12:39 PM
Random thought:
I'm pumped about so many games that I'm starting to lose track of them all. The ones that are perpetually in my mind however are Fallout 3 and Fable 2.
EDIT: I'm just 5 hours away from horsehoes and Miller Chills :beer:
manthing
05-30-2008, 12:40 PM
Ok Snowman. There were a few copies behind the glass w/ no price so I hope there still there tonight.
Also, you know how hard it is to NOT use the coupons for $5 points?
Cybertron, they were giveaways from the Ubi event this week. Saw em on Kotaku.
Also PM me a list of :hd: you're looking to relieve yourself of
LinkinPrime
05-30-2008, 12:41 PM
Ok Snowman. There were a few copies behind the glass w/ no price so I hope there still there tonight.
Also, you know how hard it is to NOT use the coupons for $5 points?
Cybertron, they were giveaways from the Ubi event this week. Saw em on Kotaku.
Also PM me a list of :hd: you're looking to relieve yourself of
Damn...those are sweet too, I bet they're going to be a few on eBay later...ugh.
I'll try to finish up this weekend and I'll get a list of what :hd:'s I want to depart with and I'll definitely PM you.
manthing
05-30-2008, 12:42 PM
Why the fuck would the penguin need to use his name to sign his posts?
Everyone knows that when the see 'Halo 3' its the frozen chicken
EDIT: I'm just 5 hours away from horsehoes and Miller Chills :beer:
You should check out Baggo.
But Miller Chills? [-(
JohnnyFoxDarko
05-30-2008, 12:44 PM
What'd I miss? 8-)
~~Johnny.
corrosivefrost
05-30-2008, 12:44 PM
Random thought:
I'm pumped about so many games that I'm starting to lose track of them all. The ones that are perpetually in my mind however are Fallout 3 and Fable 2.
EDIT: I'm just 5 hours away from horsehoes and Miller Chills :beer:
Did losing your hair affect your brain? Maybe it was the alcohol?
Where's the Gears 2? Where's the MGS4? Where's the NG2?
You're just too different. Perhaps you should post at another forum. One for Uncharted lovers. :P
-------------
Someone explain to me why Fable 2 is worth being excited about...
Maklershed
05-30-2008, 12:45 PM
What's Baggo?
Yeah, you can't like any games frosty doesn't or you get bullied.
~~wubb
corrosivefrost
05-30-2008, 12:46 PM
Why the fuck would the penguin need to use his name to sign his posts?
Everyone knows that when the see 'Halo 3' its the frozen chicken
:rofl: @ frozen chicken.
Once you factor in the corniness, it's like a TV dinner in every wubb post.
What's Baggo?
http://baggo.com/
It looks kind of dopey but when you actually give it a play it's surprisingly tricky to get those bags to stay on the board.
I'd say it's very similar to a horseshoes type game. But easier to transport and setup.
manthing
05-30-2008, 12:48 PM
http://www.freerefill.de/blog/pix/tvdinner.jpg
=
wubb?
:-k
corrosivefrost
05-30-2008, 12:49 PM
Yeah, you can't like any games frosty doesn't or you get bullied.
~~wubb
Hey, Fallout 3... that's cool.
Fable 2, last I checked, looked like it was a Wii game. Since when is it acceptable to get excited about a Wii game here in the OTT? ;)
senorwoohoo
05-30-2008, 12:50 PM
My girlfriend comes home on Sunday!!!
:whee:
lordwow
05-30-2008, 12:51 PM
I'm done with work in 2 hours.
corrosivefrost
05-30-2008, 12:52 PM
http://www.freerefill.de/blog/pix/tvdinner.jpg
=
wubb?
:-k
Is there some sort of "fryalator" gun in Halo 3... if I could turn Wubb into fried chicken... i'd crack the cellophane in a heartbeat.
dallow
05-30-2008, 12:53 PM
My bad, here you go teef.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdZC3jqxRdE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdZC3jqxRdE)
There's a flame thrower. Crack that puppy.
lordwow
05-30-2008, 12:56 PM
Have you guys seen the new Coen Bros movie trailer?
(Red Band = NSFW)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tEDPZNWG4o
Epic Win
dallow
05-30-2008, 12:57 PM
http://www.rockymountainparanormal.com/ufo/alienwindowfinal.mp4
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 12:58 PM
Fuck wahoo's girlfriend, fuck wubb and his love for shitty games, fuck frosty and his bitching about everything he doesn't like or hasn't even tried.
$$$$a Gaiden II! 8-)!!
Maklershed
05-30-2008, 01:00 PM
I don't know Frosty, maybe you saw an early build of Fable 2 or something but from the videos/screencaps I've been seeing it looks great. Much better than Ninja Gaiden 2 which is looking very dated at this point.
And I'm still excited about Gears 2, NG2, and MGS4, but just not to the level as Fallout 3 or Fable 2. I'd actually go so far to say that I'm kinda more anxious for the Forced Unleashed or the new Prince of Persia game than NG2 or MGS4.
senorwoohoo
05-30-2008, 01:00 PM
*sniff*
Jerk.
manthing
05-30-2008, 01:01 PM
Is there some sort of "fryalator" gun in Halo 3... if I could turn Wubb into fried chicken... i'd crack the cellophane in a heartbeat.
I'm sure the Spartan Laser would flash fry him in seconds.
8-)
lordwow
05-30-2008, 01:02 PM
The Spartan Laser proved ineffective in WWII killing more allies than enemies. It should reflect such in the game.
JolietJake
05-30-2008, 01:02 PM
Have you guys seen the new Coen Bros movie trailer?
(Red Band = NSFW)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tEDPZNWG4o
Epic Win
I hope Brad Pitt actually got punched in the face for that scene.
dallow
05-30-2008, 01:02 PM
NGII sucks. 8-)
For the Fallout 3 fans:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uncertain-world/2053942/SITE%27s-embarrassment-as-Islamist-%27Washington-apocalypse%27-image-turns-out-to-be-from-Fallout-3-game.html
:rofl:
shrike4242
05-30-2008, 01:03 PM
I hope Bard Pitt actually got punched in the face for that scene.Bard Pitt, Brad's evil twin brother? :-s
strummerbs
05-30-2008, 01:04 PM
Dallow- I assume you've seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElemRKA9r1c&eurl=http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/forkcast/50984-morrissey-all-you-need-is-me
Burn After Reading looks great, but I don't like how they edited the trailer in a way to make it look zany.
JolietJake
05-30-2008, 01:06 PM
Bard Pitt, Brad's evil twin brother? :-sDamn straight....:error::oops:
corrosivefrost
05-30-2008, 01:06 PM
There's a flame thrower. Crack that puppy.
Does your avatar look like a penguin?
When I ambush you and set you on fire, will you run around screaming and then end up as a fried chicken on the ground?
lordwow
05-30-2008, 01:07 PM
Burn After Reading looks great, but I don't like how they edited the trailer in a way to make it look zany.
Unfortunately, trailers are generally outsourced and chosen by the Promotions department, not done internally (except for about 3 or 4 that I can think of off the top of my head like "Magnolia"), so someone who is completely unfamiliar with the film edits it how they see fit.
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 01:07 PM
I made a flamethrower out of a super soaker once, but I decided it shouldn't be used in games cause I set my closest friends on fire instead of my enemies. :[
dallow
05-30-2008, 01:08 PM
Wow, I actually haven't, haha, didn't know he made a video for that new single.
He likes to walk around in them, the video is very similar to the "Tomorrow" and "Dagenham Dave" videos from the 90s.
Unfortunately, trailers are generally outsourced and chosen by the Promotions department, not done internally (except for about 3 or 4 that I can think of off the top of my head like "Magnolia"), so someone who is completely unfamiliar with the film edits it how they see fit.
It's more that the studio requests that it be edited for mainstream appeal, or to conform to a popular genre.
A like it when thrillers are cut into action movie trailers, and intelligent horror films are edited into weekend "let's text our friends while watching the movie" shit-bombs.
dallow
05-30-2008, 01:10 PM
And a thanks for the tip on Moz being in Singstar Jimbo.
I submitted it Moz-solo.com and it's on the front page 8-)
This is like my 4th or 5th story that has made the cut.
Does your avatar look like a penguin?
When I ambush you and set you on fire, will you run around screaming and then end up as a fried chicken on the ground?
Oh yeah. That happens every other match.
LinkinPrime
05-30-2008, 01:12 PM
http://www.freerefill.de/blog/pix/tvdinner.jpg
=
wubb?
:-k
Way off man...Wubb is 14 and he's a penguin...
http://www.haugaard.com/pfimages/kidcuisine.jpg
= Wubb
JolietJake
05-30-2008, 01:12 PM
Does your avatar look like a penguin?
When I ambush you and set you on fire, will you run around screaming and then end up as a fried chicken on the ground?
I would buy the game, just to see that.:lol:
One of those side dishes definitely = wubb.
manthing
05-30-2008, 01:13 PM
And the pitch-animal is a penguin too!!
PERFECT!
And the pitch-animal is a penguin too!!
PERFECT!
We don't talk about that traitor in my next of the woods.
corrosivefrost
05-30-2008, 01:16 PM
I don't know Frosty, maybe you saw an early build of Fable 2 or something but from the videos/screencaps I've been seeing it looks great. Much better than Ninja Gaiden 2 which is looking very dated at this point.
And I'm still excited about Gears 2, NG2, and MGS4, but just not to the level as Fallout 3 or Fable 2. I'd actually go so far to say that I'm kinda more anxious for the Forced Unleashed or the new Prince of Persia game than NG2 or MGS4.
I dunno.. I keep forgetting you hated resistance, but loved uncharted... ;)
Are you sure you're looking at the same images I am for Fable 2?
And Zew is going to kill you for owning a Triple and not being excited about MGS4. I heartily endorse this... Let's just put the final nails in the coffin, shall we? What'd you think of Shadow of the Colossus and Ico? ;)
lordwow
05-30-2008, 01:18 PM
A Fable game being overhyped? Surely you jest.
dallow
05-30-2008, 01:19 PM
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6825/johnnyguitarmr0.jpg
LinkinPrime
05-30-2008, 01:20 PM
So anyone see those LOST alternate endings this morning on Good Day LA?
JolietJake
05-30-2008, 01:20 PM
Trooper Clerks.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=C8JNp-_BEvI
tiredfornow
05-30-2008, 01:21 PM
Corn.
LinkinPrime
05-30-2008, 01:22 PM
Oh, now that I see you Dallow, I heard something weird from a co-worker of mine, he said (and I don't remember when) that he went to a Juanes concert (a Mexican/hispanic band/group..whatever) and Morissey opened up for them. He said that most people were there for Morissey after he ended his set most of the crowd left.
Isn't that just weird...why would he open for a spanish artist?