Amazon DOTD: Baroque $25.99 (PS2 or Wii)

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[Moxio]

I heard this game was eh but really dark. Maybe worth a purchase if some CAGs rec it.

[62t]

in before omg it is atlus it is going to be rare


anyway which version to get?

[GunstarRed]

I'm waiting for my fellow CAGs to chime in with which version is better too before I purchase. All too often, forced Wii Remote controls ruin many a good game. I'll probably just play it safe and go for the PS2 version where they can't toss in motion controls.

[whoknows]

I just watched a gameplay video and yeah...I don't think I could justify spending money on this.

[62t]

I'm waiting for my fellow CAGs to chime in with which version is better too before I purchase. All too often, forced Wii Remote controls ruin many a good game. I'll probably just play it safe and go for the PS2 version where they can't toss in motion controls.

you can use classic control for wii verison

[neonglow]

This game is a dungeon crawler which I'm not sure many people actually find fun. It's basically an upgraded port of an old Dreamcast game.

[Capitalizt]

Bad reviews:

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/937839.asp?q=baroque

The Wii version got a 54% average.

[62t]

Bad reviews:

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/937839.asp?q=baroque

The Wii version got a 54% average.

well i wont read too much into it as most roguelike games got bad review.

[FiendCameron]

damn it, i've really been wanting this..... to charge or not to charge :*(

[Capitalizt]

If you want to spend $26 on a game, grab Persona 3 FES intead..

http://www.amazon.com/Shin-Megami-Tensei-Persona-FES/dp/B0014CN2H6/

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If you want to spend $26 on a game, grab Persona 3 FES intead..

http://www.amazon.com/Shin-Megami-Tensei-Persona-FES/dp/B0014CN2H6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1213860591&sr=1-1 (http://slickdeals.net/?sduid=41565&sdtid=849390&sdfid=9&u2=http://www.amazon.com/Shin-Megami-Tensei-Persona-FES/dp/B0014CN2H6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1213860591&sr=1-1)

Probably because the people who would be interested in Baroque already own FES. Plus, a rouge game is a different experience than your standard RPG.


edit: and why the fuck are you acting all hard up on trying to get people to not buy this game?

[jrutz]

you can use classic control for wii verison

Yup, and the Wii version supports widescreen 480p as well; those are the only differences from the PS2 version.

[Capitalizt]

Probably because the people who would be interested in Baroque already own FES. Plus, a rouge game is a different experience than your standard RPG.


edit: and why the fuck are you acting all hard up on trying to get people to not buy this game?

I'm just trying to save people cash and time.

If quality doesn't matter to you, I have a copy of Big Rigs I will let go for $10 shipped ...$20 off retail = a bargain!! http://www.gamespot.com/pc/driving/bigrigsotrr/review.html

Seriously, if you are a hardcore fan of dungeon crawlers, wait a year and grab Baroque for $15 in the bargain bin. It's probably worth that much.

[Friend of Sonic]

I'm just trying to save people cash and time.

If quality doesn't matter to you, I have a copy of Big Rigs I will let go for $10 shipped ...$20 off retail = a bargain!! http://www.gamespot.com/pc/driving/bigrigsotrr/review.html

Seriously, if you are a hardcore fan of dungeon crawlers, wait a year and grab Baroque for $15 in the bargain bin. It's probably worth that much.

I really don't think comparing one of the worst shovelware PC titles ever made to Baroque is really fair.

[hollowfreak]

... wait a year and grab Baroque for $15 in the bargain bin. It's probably worth that much.

No, not even the game is terrible ... rent it if you must.

I really don't think comparing one of the worst shovelware PC titles ever made to Baroque is really fair.

Oh but it is fair. See, the Wii's catalog of games is rampant with shovelware and in this case you have yet another game with great lineage failing to be anything but shovelware.

I had high hopes for this after playing Baroque for the PS1. Hell, I had no idea what was going on as it was in Japanese but the character design alone was worth it. This unfortunately is crap.

[iceblast21]

I'm just trying to save people cash and time.

If quality doesn't matter to you, I have a copy of Big Rigs I will let go for $10 shipped ...$20 off retail = a bargain!! http://www.gamespot.com/pc/driving/bigrigsotrr/review.html

Seriously, if you are a hardcore fan of dungeon crawlers, wait a year and grab Baroque for $15 in the bargain bin. It's probably worth that much.

Well, at least I appreciate you doing that. The game looked so-so every time I looked at it at TRU...

I'm on the fence, but for $26??? Yeah, I'd wait for it to get cheaper. Roguelikes aren't all that popular to begin with, so I can't really see who'd be buying this game...

[LilPaintballer]

this game is bad, save your money, basically, when you die you find out more about the story line, but when you die, you lose all you expierence, your items and you start out at level 1 again

[Mysterio]

this game is bad, save your money, basically, when you die you find out more about the story line, but when you die, you lose all you expierence, your items and you start out at level 1 again

Some people enjoy such a stiff penalty (including me), because it's a challenge that's unique to Rogue-like games. But $25.99 is still too much for me to drop on this game, especially since my Wii and I are currently separated by a sizable distance. :cry:

I'll bite when it drops below $20.

[EXStrike]

Dammit, I bought this at Gamestop last month. =(

[UjnHunter]

I want to bite the Wii version... at $20... ;)

[LilPaintballer]

Some people enjoy such a stiff penalty (including me), because it's a challenge that's unique to Rogue-like games. But $25.99 is still too much for me to drop on this game, especially since my Wii and I are currently separated by a sizable distance. :cry:

I'll bite when it drops below $20.

but if you dont like to die you learn less about the story :-#

[placebo1]

This game is a dungeon crawler which I'm not sure many people actually find fun. It's basically an upgraded port of an old Dreamcast game.

I'm pretty sure it was on the Saturn / Playstation and not the Dreamcast? Unless it was called something different on the DC.

[Persona7]

Nice. I been wanting to get this game.

[vherub]

I picked it up, haven't gotten a chance to play it yet.

This was the review that sold it for me:

http://www.rpgamer.com/games/other/multi/baroque/reviews/baroquestrev2.html

[xxtheycallmedxx]

picked up the ps2 version for $24 shipped after $5 atlus and stupid new york tax....I'm really gonna stop shopping on amazon....if I have to wait for orders to arrive AND pay tax I might as well pick up my items at my local stores and get em right away....

[LilPaintballer]

picked up the ps2 version for $24 shipped after $5 atlus and stupid new york tax....I'm really gonna stop shopping on amazon....if I have to wait for orders to arrive AND pay tax I might as well pick up my items at my local stores and get em right away....

agreed

[mephitical]

but if you dont like to die you learn less about the story :-#
A friend of mine who doesn't play many games got this and has been raving about it's quality from a psychological perspective. The dying is essential to your progress in the game, which runs counter to everything we've been taught within games, so complaints like "you have to start over and you lose all your stuff" are understandable but don't make sense when applied to this game. I'm waiting for one from goozex; $26 is still a little more than I want to pay right now.

He is playing the Wii version with traditional controls. I think if you have both systems the Wii would be the better choice because of the 16:9 and 480p support.

[fidgeteer]

Pulled the trigger, shot the whiner on page one, and bought a copy of Baroque on Amazon. Baroque might go for $20 at some point, but most Atlus games never do.

Those who presuppose everyone shares their taste are incredible egotists. If I wanted to listen to that, I'd have gone to Gamestop.

Atlus relies heavily on niche markets. Therefore, Baroque is likely not to be for most people or even most reviewers but for a particular substratum that fiends for dark rogue games. That's why a consensus of opinion is irrelevant.

Strip away the veneer of snobbery, and you'll often find that people who condemn a game in public repeatedly have probably sucked at playing it. "That [Atlus!] game is fit for the bargain bin!" (Translation: "I tried to play that game, but it mocked my masculinity!")

If you despise a game, be polite, leave buyers' threads alone and post in opinion-specific threads. After all, we're kind enough not to crap on your Madden buyers' threads.

[blandstalker]

Those who presuppose everyone shares their taste are incredible egotists. If I wanted to listen to that, I'd have gone to Gamestop.

Strip away the veneer of snobbery, and you'll often find that people who condemn a game in public repeatedly have probably sucked at playing it. "That [Atlus!] game is fit for the bargain bin!" (Translation: "I tried to play that game, but it mocked my masculinity!")

If you don't like a game, be polite, leave buyers' threads alone and post in opinion-specific threads. After all, we're kind enough not to crap on your Madden buyers' threads.

I agree with some of what you have to say, but people's honest opinions are valuable. I think most of us now do not rely on one single opinion before making a purchase. That said, I sure do appreciate words of caution given by someone with personal experience. At this point in the thread, there are plenty of informative opinions, and most people can probably decide one way or the other about Baroque and feel good about their choice. I think that's a good thing.

Games can be truly terrible without someone sucking at it. Implying that someone's inability to play is the sole reason is just another veneer of snobbery. Sometimes CAGs can be swayed by low prices or good deals, and an informed opinion that saves money is a public service.

I have no opinions about Baroque, other than $26 is still too expensive for me.

[fidgeteer]

I agree with some of what you have to say, but people's honest opinions are valuable.

There's a difference between posting honest reactions and trolling on a buyer's thread with repeated condemnations and links to bad reviews. There's a difference between stating you don't think a game is good and essentially trying to shame people who disagree.

Games can be truly terrible without someone sucking at it. Implying that someone's inability to play is the sole reason is just another veneer of snobbery.Nicely put. I'd consider that paradox astute if we weren't talking about Baroque in particular and games in this genre in general. In this specific case, one of the chief reasons people give for hating the game is the death rate. "I can't advance in this game easily" = "you shouldn't buy it." This is also true of certain people's complaints about the genre generally.

And by the way: The tell isn't that someone says a game is terrible but that they recite that same verdict endlessly. "A neurotic repeats a behavior without ever remembering why." -- Sigmund Freud

"Sometimes CAGs can be swayed by low prices or good deals, and an informed opinion that saves money is a public service."

I agree, but this isn't one of those times. The problem isn't expressing an opinion. It's expressing an opinion repeatedly and expecting others to concur.

[heybtbm]

I think if you have both systems the Wii would be the better choice because of the 16:9 and 480p support.

It should be noted that this is a moot point for people playing this game with a PS3. Instant widescreen and 480p.

[cheapwiigamer]

It should be noted that this is a moot point for people playing this game with a PS3. Instant widescreen and 480p.

But the game is for Wii or PS2. That is why it is a valid point.

[heybtbm]

But the game is for Wii or PS2. That is why it is a valid point.


Did you even read my quote? Apparently not.

I said it was a moot point for people playing the game on a PS3. Sheesh.

[mephitical]

It should be noted that this is a moot point for people playing this game with a PS3. Instant widescreen and 480p.
That's a good point, and I'm kind of embarrased it hadn't actually occurred to me. I keep forgetting that the PS3 is backwards-compatible. How does the PS3 handle non-16:9 games?

[Lan_Zer0]

Will buy. I've been watching this game for a while.

[crunchewy]

It should be noted that this is a moot point for people playing this game with a PS3. Instant widescreen and 480p.

What a sec. If the PS2 game is not 480p nor widescreen, there is no way that the PS3 can magically make it 480p and widescreen. Actually it could stretch the image horizontally in order to make it fill the HDTV screen, thus showing everything distorted, or crop off the top and bottom which would be at least as bad, AND it could fake the 480p which would look worse than when shown on a CRT at 480i. Either way it would look pretty bad, and possibly even crop off important details. Now, if in fact the PS2 version does support 480p and widescreen, then there's no disadvantage to the PS2 version either. Just use a component cable with your PS2.

[Capitalizt]

Pulled the trigger, shot the whiner on page one, and bought a copy of Baroque on Amazon. Baroque might go for $20 at some point, but most Atlus games never do.

Those who presuppose everyone shares their taste are incredible egotists. If I wanted to listen to that, I'd have gone to Gamestop.

Atlus relies heavily on niche markets. Therefore, Baroque is likely not to be for most people or even most reviewers but for a particular substratum that fiends for dark rogue games. That's why a consensus of opinion is irrelevant.

Strip away the veneer of snobbery, and you'll often find that people who condemn a game in public repeatedly have probably sucked at playing it. "That [Atlus!] game is fit for the bargain bin!" (Translation: "I tried to play that game, but it mocked my masculinity!")

If you despise a game, be polite, leave buyers' threads alone and post in opinion-specific threads. After all, we're kind enough not to crap on your Madden buyers' threads.

Hmm....Linking to a collection of reviews from video game sites that rank the game between 30% and 60% is "snobbish"? Funny...I consider it informative, and would appreciate knowing the consensus opinion on any game before I spend my hard-earned money on it. It just so happens the consensus on Baroque quite bad, whether you listen to the professionals at IGN who gave it 54%, or the people here who own it and say it's not even worth a rental.

People don't criticize deals because they are snobs or because they "sucked" at a particular title. It has everything to do with sharing experiences and informing other gamers what they are buying.

[daminion]

Game is very very hard. And reviewers typically don't like hard games. They take longer to review and most reviewers write their reviews for the mass public, who don't like hard games in general.

played this on the Wii. controls were fine, although i could see the appeal of the classic controls.

[Armenius]

this game is bad, save your money, basically, when you die you find out more about the story line, but when you die, you lose all you expierence, your items and you start out at level 1 again

I'm being reminded of Breath of Fire V. Oh how I miss you Breath of Fire, R.I.P..

I'm interested in this, but not that interested. Rogues can be fun when I'm up for a challenge.

[laaj]

Nightmare of Druaga is still $10 at Amazon if $26 is too much for PS2 rogue-like. Anyway, this finally dropped in price for me to buy!

[Friend of Sonic]

Oh but it is fair. See, the Wii's catalog of games is rampant with shovelware and in this case you have yet another game with great lineage failing to be anything but shovelware.
... I'm willing to bet anything that Big Rig is no where in the same league of suck that Baroque may be in. It's a sensationalistic comparison that makes no sense. The 54% review average indicates to me that at least some people enjoyed the game on some level.

[mephitical]

... I'm willing to bet anything that Big Rig is no where in the same league of suck that Baroque may be in. It's a sensationalistic comparison that makes no sense. The 54% review average indicates to me that at least some people enjoyed the game on some level.
I like the games that have some really high reviews and some really low ones and end up with the 50% ratings. Anything that can polarize an audience that dramatically has to at least be interesting.

[mkelehan]

It should be noted that this is a moot point for people playing this game with a PS3. Instant widescreen and 480p.

While the PS3 will display it in the resolution of your choice, the game's not widescreen, so it won't be displayed as such. You'll either be able to have black bars on the sides or stretch it out. I go with the bars.

[Gamelore]

While the PS3 will display it in the resolution of your choice, the game's not widescreen, so it won't be displayed as such. You'll either be able to have black bars on the sides or stretch it out. I go with the bars.
Correct. As someone who only uses the PS3 for PS2-upscaling, 480p is enabled for all PS2 games, and they look extremely crisp. Unless I'm mistaken, it's an identical resolution/frame rate when played on Wii and PS3. However, 16:9 would be limited to the Wii version if it's not implemented on the PS2 disc -- no problem for me, as I use a > SD 4:3 projector.

Strong death penalties are a must for me -- can't stand 95% of the "RPG" trash released these days. Love rogue-likes, ADOM, NetHack, etc. Reviews look great. Will probably get this before end-of-day. :)

[sonicradiation]

Strong death penalties are a must for me -- can't stand 95% of the "RPG" trash released these days. Love rogue-likes, ADOM, NetHack, etc. Reviews look great. Will probably get this before end-of-day. :)

Here, here, brother! I am in for this game too. I think I will go for ba-roque and purchase it!

[hollowfreak]

... I'm willing to bet anything that Big Rig is no where in the same league of suck that Baroque may be in. It's a sensationalistic comparison that makes no sense. The 54% review average indicates to me that at least some people enjoyed the game on some level.

You make a good point, Baroque may not be on the same level of suck as Big Rig but it is on a level of suck none the less. :lol:

... but anyway my point was to warn people, especially fans of the first (?) on PS1, that as a fan I wasn't impressed one bit. Initially I remembered how much I liked the PS1 version that I was going to drop the $50 on it when it first came out ... I'm glad I rented it first. I'd probably buy it if it drops to $5 or $10, just to see what I hated about it so much but at $10 I'll probably end up regretting it.

Well this is my opinion, some will agree with it, some will disagree with it and some will type a long winded post about presupposing and something about meeting the needs of my id all the while telling me that it is only ok to praise said game in said thread and I have no right to an opinion at all because it doesn't preconform to theirs. :bouncy:

[Friend of Sonic]

You make a good point, Baroque may not be on the same level of suck as Big Rig but it is on a level of suck none the less. :lol:

... but anyway my point was to warn people, especially fans of the first (?) on PS1, that as a fan I wasn't impressed one bit. Initially I remembered how much I liked the PS1 version that I was going to drop the $50 on it when it first came out ... I'm glad I rented it first. I'd probably buy it if it drops to $5 or $10, just to see what I hated about it so much but at $10 I'll probably end up regretting it.

Well this is my opinion, some will agree with it, some will disagree with it and some will type a long winded post about presupposing and something about meeting the needs of my id all the while telling me that it is only ok to praise said game in said thread and I have no right to an opinion at all because it doesn't preconform to theirs. :bouncy:

And I just wanted to make sure people didn't think this was like Big Rig.

[mxpowar]

Been keeping an eye on this game since it came out. Not sure if I'll like it but I heard the story (and gameplay for that matter) are reminiscient of Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter. I loved that game so much that I jumped on this game just for the possibility of it being similar. Especially since there doesn't seem to be anymore BoF games coming out, this is as good as it gets. :(

[geosooner]

i picked it up. i've also been looking at it, debating since it came out. i decided to bite.

amazon has me by the balls with their deals of the days....

[Gamelore]

Ordered it.

My only gripe is that it has optional 3rd person mode, rather than forcing players to use 1st person. Makes me wonder what else they sugar-coated for the masses since the original release.