Persona 4: Released and Ready 2 Play! Metacritic Score -- A Whoppin' 93!!!

[Ecofreak]

Quick Update:

Metacritic has Persona 4 at an astounding 93 (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/shinmegamitenseipersona4?q=Persona%204). Despite being the OP, I don't have a copy. Maybe I should get around to it. ;)

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Seems like all the Persona 3 lovin' has convinced Atlus to release Persona 4 this year!

Just announced today at Anime Expo, the game will come out Dec. 9th in a 2-Disk release, similar to the original Persona 3 launch (with one disk being a soundtrack). MSRP is $39.99.

From Destructoid... (http://www.destructoid.com/persona-4-dated-in-the-us-yes--93878.phtml)
I'm here covering the Shin Megami Tensei panel at Anime Expo here in Los Angeles (more coverage on that later), but I wanted to drop in now and say that Persona 4 does have a US launch date now. I'm so happy!

After hearing the full history of the Shin Megami Tensei games (awesome, by the way), Atlus surprises us with the screen you're seeing above. Just in time for the holidays, P4 will hit shelves on December 9th, 2008. This will also include a bonus soundtrack CD!

I know some of you haven't finished Persona 3: FES yet, so you better hurry!

Are you ready for P4 yet?
http://www.destructoid.com/elephant/ul/93878-IMG_0139.JPG

Official Atlus Launch Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O10pqWZPhiU&eurl=http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/06/atlus-bringing-persona-4-to-north-america-on-december-9/

Famitsu Review Summary (http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/4200/1214985193618tc2.jpg) (Click Link for Magazine Scan)
Score: 8988 = 33/40 (Same as Persona 3)
Battle:more comfortable than P3
Difficulty: a bit high(need reveling)
Dungeon: monotony
Volume: pretty much
Kuma is the best
Two Page Magazine Spread (http://img123.imageshack.us/img123/9411/1214985232163tf1.jpg)
(From user on Gamefaqs.com boards)

[Pookymeister]

Yea, just got ATLUS email

http://i32.tinypic.com/288d4h.jpg

[LeafPanda]

Next time I go to game stop pre-order

[Zache]

You forgot to mention it'll be retailing for $39.99.

[EXStrike]

I still need to play Persona 3. =(

[Halo05]

I just got my email as well. Fucking awesome. I'll be preordering this ASAP but like EXStrike, I still really need to finish P3 FES.

[imascrub]

i like the artist for p3/4

[LeafPanda]

I still need to play Persona 3. =(
same, but still really interested

[Poor2More]

Im pre-ordering this ASAP, I like the cover and the MSRP

[Layd Dly]

Guess i need to get on P3 and finish it up, im only about 16 hours into it. Damn GTAIV and MGS4

[Moxio]

:whee:

[JEKKI]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n122/pikoeri/fap.gif

[MarkMan]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n122/pikoeri/fap.gif

Does this man know how to party or what?!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3054/2640968861_14274349fd.jpg

[eau]

Those T-shirts are hot! :hot: Where did you get them?

It's cool that P4 comes with a soundtrack CD too.

[MarkMan]

The people who attended the Shin Megami Tensei panel at AX each got one...

[bigl523]

I'm loving the $39.99 MSRP as well as the fact that I can buy it off of Amazon and not gamestop :D

[QiG]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Persona-4-Shin-Megami-Tensei-Atlus-Anime-Expo-T-Shirt_W0QQitemZ110268119073QQihZ001QQcategoryZ1399 73QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[SVxM]

The best news so far this year! :D:applause:

[Dead of Knight]

Now I have something to pencil in for Winter Break of my senior year in college. :lol:

[Nathan_Sama]

Grahhh, Im not done with 3 yet!

[willardhaven]

There are three things I'm looking for in Persona 4:

Less routines (the school system is a blast in 3, but in 4 I want to wander around at my own leisure).

Control over partners in battle (I think this is in P4).

Multiple dungeons (really not a big deal, but maybe finding different TVs to enter dungeons would be cool).

If anyone knows some details regarding gameplay, please post.

[Ecofreak]

It looks like one of the female characters is doing a move from the Haruhi dance, when you see the black silhouettes in the trailer. :lol:

And given the very short turn around between now and launch (Persona 3 and FES were out 1 year after their Japanese launch while Persona 4 will only have a 6 months difference) I wonder if they'll forgo the English dub and do Japanese subs to save time.

One can only wish.

[62t]

the english dub in persona 3 was quit good.

[Zoglog]

my girlfriend is ebaying hers since they only had men's sizes and they're too large.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110268119073

[willardhaven]

P3 had great voice acting (much better than the Clockwork Orange ripoff that was FF XII's script).

I hope 4 has more from Yuri Lowenthal though.

[62t]

I am hoping that Yuri Lowenthal wont be in the game since he is also doing the VA for the main character in Infinite Undiscovery and FFIV DS.

[willardhaven]

Not a fan of his?

My opinion of him is completely based on Sands of Time, so I don't recall what else he's done.

[62t]

I dont have a problem but his voice is getting over used.

[willardhaven]

Indeed, I just looked up all the games he is in.

Still he's not in as many things as Steven Blum, that guy is everywhere.

[Moxio]

Steven Blum rules.

[laaj]

Good thing I just finished P3 this week. One improvement I can't wait for on P4 is directly controlling your party members instead of relying on dumb AI.

[LeafPanda]

my girlfriend is ebaying hers since they only had men's sizes and they're too large.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110268119073
I might be interested in this =P

[hero101]

I have to get back to the third game. I messed up and have to start the game over.

[Nathan_Sama]

Anyone think there will be another version of Persona 4 like FES?

[Chacrana]

I hope not.

[ChibiJosh]

I wouldn't be surprised if they did make a second version and released it around next summer. That's why I'm going to buy this, but keep it sealed for awhile just in case.

[refusedchaos]

I hope not.

me too

[62t]

I dont see how releasing an expansion could affect your enjoyment of the original

[Chacrana]

It has nothing to do with how much enjoyment you can get out of the original. It's because 1) If Fes is any indication, it'll be a dull, 15-hour grind and 2) You have to buy the game again if you want to see the conclusion of the story.

[Chibi_Kaji]

I wouldn't mind an expansion of P4 as long as it's nothing like the Answer from FES.

My problem with FES wasn't that I had to buy the game a 2nd time. It was that The Answer just took all the things that made P3 enjoyable out of it. I loved the idea behind Social Links and going to school. It provided a welcomed break from all the dungeon crawling. Also, the fact they forced you to play at hardest difficulty didn't sit well with me...

[willardhaven]

Indeed. 1 version please.

[Nephlabobo]

So what did the Famitsu review say?

[Ecofreak]

So what did the Famitsu review say?

As per the OP: (Quick summary from someone on Gamefaqs.com)
Score: 8988 = 33/40 (Same as Persona 3)
Battle:more comfortable than P3
Difficulty: a bit high(need reveling)
Dungeon: monotony
Volume: pretty much
Kuma is the best

[Chacrana]

Now if Persona 4 had a Fes equivalent that was like Persona 2 Eternal Punishment was to Persona 2 Innocent Sin, then yeah, I'd be motherfuckin' sold. But the chances of that are probably zero.

[Nephlabobo]

As per the OP: (Quick summary from someone on Gamefaqs.com)
Score: 8988 = 33/40 (Same as Persona 3)
Battle:more comfortable than P3
Difficulty: a bit high(need reveling)
Dungeon: monotony
Volume: pretty much
Kuma is the best

Sorry, I didn't see it the first time.

Can't say I'm surprised it's difficult. The SMT games usually are. Now that people are used to Persona 3, they're going to amp up the difficulty.

[LeafPanda]

Wait if the cards are evokers, then what are the glasses for? Trendy fashion statement?

[Nathan_Sama]

Wait if the cards are evokers, then what are the glasses for? Trendy fashion statement?
I guess so they can see the "shadows" or whatever the enemy is called this time around?

[Nephlabobo]

Cause Asians have bad eyesight?

[willardhaven]

Anyone else snicker at the reveling/leveling mix up?

[Nephlabobo]

Well I didn't know if that was a mistake by the summary or the person who posted it.

[Ecofreak]

Well I didn't know if that was a mistake by the summary or the person who posted it.

I just copied and pasted. Perhaps the original translator couldn't provide more details based on their limited Japanese experience? *shrugs*

[Chacrana]

I don't care who's mistake it was - Engrish is funny. Clitical Hit!

[willardhaven]

revel up.

[bigl523]

yosha! ai reberu uppu!

[Hybrid5006]

Finally!!!

[LeafPanda]

Cause Asians have bad eyesight?
Hey Thats not nice, i don't wear glasses.

[pete5883]

Volume: pretty much
What is this supposed to mean?

[Nephlabobo]

Hey Thats not nice, i don't wear glasses.

I've lived in Korea, Taiwan and Japan, I speak with *some* experience.

[mitch079]

http://www.atlus.com/persona4/purchase.html

Says September 9th...probably just a mistake on their end, but sooner would be better.

[Nephlabobo]

Has to be a mistake. The trailer even says Dec 9th.

[Monsta Mack]

Amazon pre-orders now accepted.

[Zoglog]

I love how at the announcement they stated "we can't talk about Persona 4" and idiots in line kept on asking questions about persona 4.

[LeafPanda]

Lol So how was the expo altogether.

[MSI Magus]

December is PERFECT! All I ever want to get for Christmas is video games but it drives me nuts because most of my family only shops at walmart or amazon. They refuse to buy anything used so it drives me nuts that they spend $40-$50 on stuff that I can pick up for myself for $10-$20!

So a December release for this is perfect, means I can ask for the game and the guide giving my family something I actually want and their not way overpaying for.

[willardhaven]

So a December release for this is perfect, means I can ask for the game and the guide giving my family something I actually want and their not way overpaying for.

You and I agree for once.

[MSI Magus]

You and I agree for once.

Ya, drives me nuts every holiday that my family ends up spending $200-$300 on me and gets realistically about $70 worth of stuff. I know its not what Christmas is about, but I still hate seeing people overpay like that.

[MarkMan]

Anyone playing the Japanese version? I'm importing it... Here are some things I read up on from people already playing the game...

"1. If you hit a weakness -> One More happens
2. If all enemies down -> Final Attack
3. If using hit-all attack, even you only hit one enemy's weakness, you can still get One More
4. Character can act the very next turn even in Down status
5. During down, if the weakness is exploited, "Faint" status will happen. Character can lost at least one turn of action.
6. Sometimes physical critical and cause Down + Faint together
7. Enemy reinforcement may happen after all of them are wiped out.
8. Depending on the commu development other characters will take damage for the main during battle.
9. Analysis doesn't take time, but it seems the record will not carry over. You'd have to do it again in next battle. EDIT: This might be related to the support character being a low level.
10. After choosing escape, you can't go instantly, instead you got to carry on the battle for a while.
11. You can direct your party without using AI. "

So, a few things of note. Ma- spells are finally more useful as a result of the changed one more conditions. You don't lose turns after getting hit with a single weakness, alleviating the most glaring flaw in P3's battle system (i.e. get hit by a weakness, and you'll never survive to actually give another command. Multiple waves of enemies, like in the proper SMT games. The S. Links determine MC shielding frequency, which probably means that MC dying will still give a game over.

Combined with Famitsu saying the game is harder makes me a very happy person; more general difficulty, with less of the bullshit aspects that were the main cause of P3's difficulty.

Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwimpfzjaOs

MEGA Spoiler video..., not a story spoiler, but spoiler nonetheless.

[LilPaintballer]

wait there a Japanese version available already? if not whats the release date, because i can play import ps2 games.

[willardhaven]

Out tomorrow in Japan.

EDIT: July 10, since it's Wednesday there.

[Chibi_Kaji]

Markman: Thats nice to hear. Not made me angry then getting knocked down and killed before I could get back up. Also, after looking at that video I wonder who else we can expect to see in P4...Also, I wonder if we'll see anyone from P3 as a hidden boss in this game. It would be kind of cool if they did that.

[willardhaven]

How are long time Persona fans feeling about these games?

I mean I played P2 and it was too clumsy (I got it in 2004, too late), but I figure P3 and 4 are vastly different from the original games.

[lpj8]

I'm in for a preorder. Thanks for the heads up!

[imascrub]

not sure if it's really a spoiler, but isn't that the same high school as in Persona 3?

[MarkMan]

imascrub Yes, same high school. And those are the same characters you had social links with in P3. So it is set in the same time period!!! Chihiro and the food guru guy...

[MSI Magus]

imascrub Yes, same high school. And those are the same characters you had social links with in P3. So it is set in the same time period!!! Chihiro and the food guru guy...

I thought it was set in the 80s......?

[MarkMan]

I thought it was set in the 80s......?

The game takes place 2 years after the events of Persona 3. Chihiro is now a senior at Gekkoukan high...

[LeafPanda]

Dam spoilers I'm gonna have to get P3 FES soon.

[pete5883]

7. Enemy reinforcement may happen after all of them are wiped out.
9. Analysis doesn't take time, but it seems the record will not carry over. You'd have to do it again in next battle. EDIT: This might be related to the support character being a low level.
10. After choosing escape, you can't go instantly, instead you got to carry on the battle for a while.
Ugh, 7 is something I hated in the other games. 9 is a bad, bad idea if true, P3 finally got it right by remembering weaknesses, so I don't have to write them all down. 10 pisses me off.

[Kendal]

Finally!!!

wat?


I think I am going incognitus until the game comes out. At least after Wednesday when all the peckerheads start spoiling shit hardcore forreals.

[MSI Magus]

The game takes place 2 years after the events of Persona 3. Chihiro is now a senior at Gekkoukan high...

Sweeeet! I hated the 80s. Only thing that kept me excited was telling myself that the Japanese 80s were probably different then the US 80s.

[Dead of Knight]

3. If using hit-all attack, even you only hit one enemy's weakness, you can still get One More
4. Character can act the very next turn even in Down status
You don't lose turns after getting hit with a single weakness, alleviating the most glaring flaw in P3's battle system (i.e. get hit by a weakness, and you'll never survive to actually give another command.

:applause::applause::applause:

[willardhaven]

9. and 10. are the only additions I don't really like.

[JEKKI]

We are living no lines

I wanna salvage information

come on, let go, the ramones, don't you know, you let it on a junk boat day.
try to set the phone that we're cooking on the go but I don't use hang, I lean cuisine.
loading, loading, loading. Pig feet reaching maximum capacity.
Want it, want it, want it, gonna shout "sugi na identity!"

California potato powers!
Catching playings all over the world!
Smoking mountain will get you nowhere!
Pay the topping no mind!

We all trump it, a nasal relationship
That goes a wave, a wave about you
I scream in the city of unconscious
I search for your "hah!", but say what you-ooh say.

[Dead of Knight]

Ugh, I just noticed #10 on MarkMan's list. That sucks INCREDIBLE ass. Though #4 makes this much less of an issue.

[willardhaven]

Still annoying.

BTW there was a "Blog" somewhere with a link to the Atlus panel at some convention. It is really hilarious and pathetic for the last few minutes, if you enjoy that kind of thing.

[laaj]

Number 4 sounds terrible. That'll mean there's no point to knock down a shadow unless you can exploit it all for all out attack. And in certain cases with mix of shadows that can't be knocked down, players will be in world of hurt to withstand entire barrage.

[willardhaven]

Well the weakness gives you an extra turn.

Obviously we'll have to play it to see how all these changes pan out.

If this is Persona 3 with less restraint and more varied locales I am completely sold.

[Ecofreak]

If this is Persona 3 with less restraint and more varied locales I am completely sold.

QFT

I'm cautiously optimistic about this game, even though I didn't finish P3.

[bigl523]

Still annoying.

BTW there was a "Blog" somewhere with a link to the Atlus panel at some convention. It is really hilarious and pathetic for the last few minutes, if you enjoy that kind of thing.

That's my blog :D

[willardhaven]

Well I have to say that panel made me laugh. You could feel the awkwardness as you watched.

I loved looking at the faces of the people on the panel, they were priceless.

[MarkMan]

Taken from another forum... Here are some gameplay elements, not so much story spoilers, just basic info:


-No more lunar system. Instead, the game revolves around weather, with foggy nights serving as the encroaching deadline instead of Full Moons. You can check the 7-day forecast on television. It also helps add graphical variety to the town of Inaba, as well as mixing up the daily scheduling.
-Controllable party members, though you can choose AI if you want.
-More Personas (more of a natural progression than 'improvement')
-Male Party members are their Arcanas respective S. Links.
-Leveling an S. Link of a party member improves their performance in battle, though I don't exactly know how.
-You can choose who to spend your lunch breaks with to advance that S. Link (probably just points rather than full level ups)
-S. Links are not necessarily linear; with women, they can branch either into a 'friend' or 'girl-friend' paths.
-Multiple dungeons open up as you advance the story, though I'm still not sure if there is also a game -long one in addition.
-Dungeons are still random, but the engine is less repetitive.
-Dungeons have traps of some kind.
-Dungeons have locked chests that require keys.
-There is a 'Fusion Forecast' system where each day has a different fusion that will give you a bonus (i.e. a special item or stat boost if you create a specific persona, or use a specific persona). The forecast can be checked ahead of time just like the weather.
-Hard mode accessible from the beginning, AND the game is said to be generally harder.
-Alternate S. Links for some Arcana, dependent on which Sports Club and Activity you join.
-You can 'date' at least one guy.
-Wait is replaced with 'Guard', which increases your defense.
-Guarding eliminates your weaknesses.
-Characters will jump in to take damage for the MC, with the frequency is somehow based on S. Link level.
-Hit-all magic that hits one weakness but lands regular hits on others still gives a 'one more'. This sounds analogous to Nocturne's system, so I'm guessing that if you miss the other enemies or hit a null/reflect, you won't get the bonus turn.
-It no longer consumes a turn to recover from getting knocked down. Instead, getting hit with a weakness while you're knocked down can cause the Faint status, which does require a turn to get back up from.
-Shuffle Time also has a timing element introduced, as not only is there there the X-card monty, but also a roulette style shift.
-Questions in story scenes can have an influence on your social stats.
-Mute status ailment that prevents Spells from being cast, but not other Persona usage.
-Enemy reinforcements can show up after you win a fight, like the core SMT games.
-Returning to the first floor of a dungeon no longer completely recovers the party for free.
-The Social Stats are: Knowledge(probably translated as Academics), Bravery (probably Courage), Perseverance (NEW), Communication Ability (probably Charm), Tolerance (NEW).

[pete5883]

Gameplay stuff:

-Dungeons have traps of some kind.
-Guarding eliminates your weaknesses.
-Hit-all magic that hits one weakness but lands regular hits on others still gives a 'one more'. This sounds analogous to Nocturne's system, so I'm guessing that if you miss the other enemies or hit a null/reflect, you won't get the bonus turn.
-Shuffle Time also has a timing element introduced, as not only is there there the X-card monty, but also a roulette style shift.
-Returning to the first floor of a dungeon no longer completely recovers the party for free.

Except for guarding (which is nice,) these all blow. It's good that a hit-all spell will give you an extra turn, but it's very, very bad that it will most likely go both ways. So the enemies will get to cast Maragi twice if, say, someone weak to fire is around. This could be killer.

No free heals is also dumb. It's kind of dick to make the regular game harder, when there's already hard mode for those who want to die repeatedly.

[bigl523]

Well I have to say that panel made me laugh. You could feel the awkwardness as you watched.

I loved looking at the faces of the people on the panel, they were priceless.

I totally agree. It got to the point where it was so bad it was funny. From the start with the dude who wanted an autograph and the guy who went off on a rant as to why he liked nocturne better than dds and persona. Back on topic...I'm all for the ability to guard and prevent weaknesses as well as not losing just because the enemy attacked you first and got your weakness. For me, P3 became a game all about attacking shadows from the behind so that I could get the advantage which got tedious after a while.

[willardhaven]

I love the dungeon crawl in P3, but I'm only on level 40.

That Nocturne guy was the best, he literally just rambled about the game to people who just wanted him to get to his pathetic question. If he wasn't a huge nerd I would assume he was on some sort of drug.

[darkslime]

I've gotta finish P3 first. Only 20 hours into it. XD
Could someone give me a link to the Atlus Panel?

[pete5883]

Just watched the Atlus panel. Does everyone in the game industry have a lisp?

[willardhaven]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/blog.php?b=989

Just check his blog and you can see it.

I thought the Japanese guy on the panel seemed pretty normal. Voice actors seem like the coolest people though, I would love to have that job.

[Dead of Knight]

Guarding? fuck YEAH
No free healing? fuck NO

[cindersphere]

Yay I am so looking forward to this. I played 2 and 3 like a fiend and now this one will definately take most of my free time during the Christmas season.

[LeafPanda]

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=71982
Pre-orders =P

[Peanut932]

GameStop (http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=71982) Pre-orders =P
Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Shin-Megami-Tensei-Persona-4/dp/B001C6GVI6/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1215769283&sr=8-1) too. :)

edit: Oh, the Amazon pre-orders were already mentioned. I'll be pre-ordering from them. I needed to find a use for my gift certificate anyway.

[Deadpool]

aww nuts! too many games!

[Ryuukishi]

Anyone having any luck getting this game to show up in your Amazon recommendations? I'd like to see if I can get the Quick Pick 5% discount before I preorder it. Putting Disgaea 3 into the cart got a bunch of other Atlus games to show up, but no Persona 4. I've already purchased Persona 3 and Persona 3 FES from Amazon, so I don't know what more they want me to do before recommending P4. :)

[MarkMan]

Man this game has an AWESOME OST.

[happy]

I didn't even know P3 had free healing till a few trips in...

[defiance_17]

This game was everywhere in Akihabara last week--there would be two or three game stores in a row with huge displays out front, all showing the same trailer. I still haven't had a chance to play P3, but this one looks pretty awesome.

[willardhaven]

I'm 30 hours into P3 and I'm only on level 59 of Tartarus... it's going to take me until December to beat.

[MSI Magus]

I'm 30 hours into P3 and I'm only on level 59 of Tartarus... it's going to take me until December to beat.

Damn you really play slow. Im slower then most people at playing RPGs but im on floor like 160 or something like that 40 hours in.

[willardhaven]

Yeah I think I spend too much time talking to NPCs and figuring out what stat/s.link to level.

[Rocko]

So I know a lot of people were getting P3:FES in their Gold Box for preorder when that came out to get the slight discount. Is that still doable with P4? I've never done anything with Gold Box. :x

[chewster777]

So I know a lot of people were getting P3:FES in their Gold Box for preorder when that came out to get the slight discount. Is that still doable with P4? I've never done anything with Gold Box. :xYeah, in fact P4 just popped up in my gold box today. I think I'll go ahead and go for it.

[keithp]

Yeah, in fact P4 just popped up in my gold box today. I think I'll go ahead and go for it.

What's the price in the Gold Box?

[willardhaven]

It's easy, just clear out your recommendations by going through your "items you own, rated, etc.". Once your recommendations are empty, claim to own Persona FES or any other game on the Persona 4 page.

Once it appears in your recommendations, state you are not interested in any other things you see on that page.

Give it some time and it should appear in your Gold Box. Someone explained this to me in the FES thread.

I think I pre-ordered at 37.99 in the Gold Box.

[chewster777]

Yes it was $37.99 in my gold box. It works just like willardhaven described. I love amazon's free shipping and no tax too.

[Rocko]

Hmm. I checked the box for "Don't use for recommendations" box on all the items I own, but I'm still getting recommendations for items in my Wish List, and they don't seem to ever end. I just keep getting more even though I click not interested for every single item.

[TheRodfather]

Boner for this game? Yes.

[Rodimus]

Anyone else notice that Chie Satonaka's Persona looks like Uma Thurman's character in Kill Bill when she's wearing the yellow jump suit?

[62t]

just ordered from amazon since it is in my gold box

[thelonepig]

Atlus announced at the Gamestop Conference that Persona 4 preorders will get an artbook. Yay!

EDIT: Picture.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee68/thelonepig/P4Preorder.jpg

[Gourd]

All preorders everywhere, or only from certain places?

[chewster777]

How can I get one of those t-shirts?

[thelonepig]

I'm not sure about the preorder bonus. It was Gamestop's show, so I'm assuming there. I wouldn't be surprised to see Amazon get it as well as they are Atlus' official retailer.

As for the shirt, Atlus has been giving them out at various contests and events. Currently, they are having a halloween costume contest and the prize includes a shirt.

[Ryuukishi]

Atlus announced at the Gamestop Conference that Persona 4 preorders will get an artbook. Yay!

EDIT: Picture.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee68/thelonepig/P4Preorder.jpgThe game is being displayed on a widescreen monitor. Does anyone think Atlus USA could be adding a 16:9 display mode for the localization?

ETA: Yeah, the more I look at that image, the more sure I am that it's not just stretched to fit the widescreen television. The minimap and the character heads don't look distorted. I guess we'll find out for sure soon enough.

[willardhaven]

I hope Amazon gets the book, otherwise I have to go to GS.

[Ryuukishi]

I hope Amazon gets the book, otherwise I have to go to GS.Same here. It would be amazing if the T-shirt was included as well.

[Monsta Mack]

Oh Crap, good heads up on the pre-order bonus. With Atlus being linked with Amazon on sales I would highly doubt that Amazon buyers DON'T get the item, but if for some reason they don't then I'll have to pre-order it through Gamestop.com

[Ryuukishi]

Oh Crap, good heads up on the pre-order bonus. With Atlus being linked with Amazon on sales I would highly doubt that Amazon buyers DON'T get the item, but if for some reason they don't then I'll have to pre-order it through Gamestop.comWell, Gamestop did get the exclusive preorder bonus for Yggdra Union. But what I'm hearing about P4 is that Atlus wants to include all of the bonuses with all preorders, not do retailer exclusives.

[Ryuukishi]

I'm surprised that nothing about the new preorder bonus nor the possible 16:9 aspect ratio has shown up on Kotaku/Joystiq/1UP. They're not even talking about it over at the official Atlus forums.

[newlu]

It's official.

Pre-order Bonus: "Persona 4" Extras
The "Persona 4" two-disc set includes the game and its Shoji Meguro composed soundtrack. Pre-order while supplies last and get a deluxe, limited-edition art book featuring acclaimed "Persona 4" artist Shigenori Soejima. The extras will come packaged inside the box with your game. Must be sold and shipped by Amazon.com to be eligible.

[Ryuukishi]

It's official.

Pre-order Bonus: "Persona 4" Extras
The "Persona 4" two-disc set includes the game and its Shoji Meguro composed soundtrack. Pre-order while supplies last and get a deluxe, limited-edition art book featuring acclaimed "Persona 4" artist Shigenori Soejima. The extras will come packaged inside the box with your game. Must be sold and shipped by Amazon.com to be eligible.That is awesome. I suppose it doesn't matter if you've already preordered prior to this annoucement?

Also, Aram confirmed on the Atlus forum that the game does not feature a 16:9 display mode, sadly. It just looked damn good using the television's nonlinear stretch.

[bigl523]

The game is now $36.99 at amazon now. I pre-ordered it at $39.99 and got the gold box discount. When I checked the order today, the price is now showing up at $36.99 and I still get my gold box discount :)

http://www.amazon.com/Shin-Megami-Tensei-Persona-Playstation-2/dp/B001C6GVI6/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1221668271&sr=8-1

edit: $35.14 for P4, soundtrack, and artbook = WIN

[eau]

"The extras will come packaged inside the box with your game."

Does it mean it will be like the original P3 with a nice outer box holding both the game and the artbook?

[fatbeer]

I'm not sure, but the artbook looks like preorder item. You can preorder at Gamestop as well with the bonus artbook.



http://www.gamestop.com/gs/images/bonus/281959_bonusLG.jpg
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=71982

Every single copy of Persona 4 is a special two-disc set. In addition to the game disc, customers will receive a soundtrack CD featuring selected music from Persona 4.

Bonus
Reserve Persona 4 and receive a free art book. Offer good while supplies last.

All Customers: Art book will ship with the game.

[bigl523]

It's a 100+ page artbook too which is pretty interesting.

Did anyone notice that they changed Kuma's name to "Teddy?" Kind of lame if you ask me.

[Dead of Knight]

Kuma=Bear in Japanese.

Not that farfetched, but considered they're keeping other Japanese names Japanese...

[happy]

This is how to get me to preorder something, game, soundtrack, and artbook for under $40... :drool:

[bigl523]

Kuma=Bear in Japanese.

Not that farfetched, but considered they're keeping other Japanese names Japanese...

I'm aware that kuma is bear. They kept it in the Tekken series so why not here?

[imascrub]

dunno the characters, but is that his actual name? And if it is, do they call him that as a "nickname," in other words, their intention is to call him "Bear" in the first place, rather than by his name "Kuma", if that makes sense. If it is, then it was probably only natural for them to translate it as Teddy so that english speakers can get the reference....or something...


btw...I don't suppose this game will have japanese voices along with english?

[bigl523]

dunno the characters, but is that his actual name? And if it is, do they call him that as a "nickname," in other words, their intention is to call him "Bear" in the first place, rather than by his name "Kuma", if that makes sense. If it is, then it was probably only natural for them to translate it as Teddy so that english speakers can get the reference....or something...


btw...I don't suppose this game will have japanese voices along with english?

If 3 was any indication most likely not.

[pete5883]

RPGFan has posted a review. (http://www.rpgfan.com/reviews/persona4/index.html)

Graphics: 90%
Sound: 90%
Gameplay: 95%
Control: 90%
Story: 95%
Overall: 94%

I skipped past the story section, but my favorite part:

One of the best of these resources is none other than the good ol' square button, which reduces travel time between destinations in simulation mode. A press of the square button brings up an on-screen menu of the different areas in a particular zone. From the main character's homeroom in the school, for example, the player can instantly travel to the first floor, second floor, the roof, or to the next building – without the monotonous hassle of running up and down staircases. The game greatly benefits from this addition to the control scheme, which players can utilize until the very end of the adventure for convenient navigation.

[Brian9824]

One of the best of these resources is none other than the good ol' square button, which reduces travel time between destinations in simulation mode. A press of the square button brings up an on-screen menu of the different areas in a particular zone. From the main character's homeroom in the school, for example, the player can instantly travel to the first floor, second floor, the roof, or to the next building – without the monotonous hassle of running up and down staircases. The game greatly benefits from this addition to the control scheme, which players can utilize until the very end of the adventure for convenient navigation.


That does sound awesome. My biggest gripe was the time it took to move around the school, etc really got annoying after a while.

[Z_meista]

Nice! Must... finish... Persona... 3... FES...

[Dr Mario Kart]

I learned my lesson the last time. I'm not buying this for at least a year after release to ensure that a more definitive version doesnt get released for cheaper later on.

[Masterkyo]

I think i end up spend $40. Kinda hard to tell this $uck go OOP and hard to find later. Plus free Music Sound Track is Plus.

[daminion]

I'm 30 hours into P3 and I'm only on level 59 of Tartarus... it's going to take me until December to beat.

I think I have you, and many others beat. I'm 110 hours in and on level 85 of Tartarus.

But I've fallen asleep a few times playing it ;)

[willardhaven]

I learned my lesson the last time. I'm not buying this for at least a year after release to ensure that a more definitive version doesnt get released for cheaper later on.

To me P3 is the definitive version, it has a matching guide and art book. I understand your logic completely though because FES does have more actual game for your dollar.

[MSI Magus]

To me P3 is the definitive version, it has a matching guide and art book. I understand your logic completely though because FES does have more actual game for your dollar.

And you cant beat $36 for a game that comes in a box with extras. Seriously even if this game doesnt become rare the price wont drop much from $36 even if they printed 10x as many copies as there are players.

[sundaysuit]

I'm pre-ordering this at Gamestop.
Not because I want to support Gamestop, although I don't have as much of a problem with it as others seem to, but because I want to have it on release day.

2 months-ish is a long time to wait.

[sundaysuit]

do you guys think this will be like persona 3, where all copies came with the cd+art book?
or do you think pre-ordering will actually make a difference?

[willardhaven]

All I know is that Amazon is the cheapest way for me to get it. $35 + tax is worth it even if it's just P3 2.0

[thelonepig]

All I know is that Amazon is the cheapest way for me to get it. $35 + tax is worth it even if it's just P3 2.0

P3 2.0? Wasn't that FES?

[pete5883]

P3 2.0? Wasn't that FES?
That was P3 1.5.

[willardhaven]

My thoughts exactly.

[Ichigo1993]

Epic! Just pre-ordered from Amazon with the small discount and extra goodies. I'm very excited for the game. I still need to finish Persona 3 before hitting this one up.

[TheMaidenOfSorrow]

Just in time for winter break. I'll spend the whole time playing it. :D

[Moxio]

Ahhh I need this game to come out! :whee:

[Paint Drinker]

What do you guys think about the VA's this time around? JYB is attached as the main character. Thank christ the leads don't talk much is all I can say. I hated him recently is Disgaea 3, nails on a bloody chalkboard. The guy doing Yousuke, Yuri something, is pretty good though. Kuma is better than I thought, for a character that is designed to be annoying I feared we'd get some sh*t like Toad from Mario.
Anyone know who Kuma's VA is and his history?

[Chacrana]

I dunno why the hell they're dubbing it. Sega had the right idea with Yakuza 2 - just leave it the fuck alone. It saves the company money, and it saves people's ears from bleeding.

[Rodimus]

I didn't have a problem with P3's dubbing. But if this is gonna be a rush job then perhaps we might see lowered quality.

Just pre-ordered mine from Amazon. Can't wait. Any word on a guide yet? This is the only series that I care to buy them for.

[willardhaven]

I dunno why the hell they're dubbing it. Sega had the right idea with Yakuza 2 - just leave it the fuck alone. It saves the company money, and it saves people's ears from bleeding.

It's a tough call, but personally I prefer a good dub to subtitles. I think P3 was great and I didn't mind they Japanese words they threw into the mix.

[thelonepig]

Were Atlus to use the Japanese track, they'd have to pay for it. I'm not exactly up-to-date on who's-who in the Japanese VA scene, so I don't know what that might cost.

I do recall a comment from Atlus on their forums stating that one of the reasons P3 did not have the Japanese track is that it would have cost them nearly the same amount as dubbing just to license the cast's voice work.

[Chacrana]

Were Atlus to use the Japanese track, they'd have to pay for it. I'm not exactly up-to-date on who's-who in the Japanese VA scene, so I don't know what that might cost.

I do recall a comment from Atlus on their forums stating that one of the reasons P3 did not have the Japanese track is that it would have cost them nearly the same amount as dubbing just to license the cast's voice work.

Well shit, if it cost them the same amount to get the Japanese... I don't see why they wouldn't. At least it would've protected us from Fuuka.

[willardhaven]

I'm sure there were as many or more annoying voices in the Japanese version...

[Chacrana]

I'm sure there were as many or more annoying voices in the Japanese version...

I doubt it. I really can't remember any recent Japanese VA stuff that particularly hurt my ears due to a screeching, completely obnoxious voice. Well, maybe Zeta Gundams' VAs, but that was the 80's...

but on topic, I really can't imagine the Japanese cast having someone who you makes me yell "shut up, you damn wench" every time they talk like Fuuka did. And I really prefer watching/playing stuff in its original language.

Just say no to English dubs, kids.

[Rodimus]

I'm not into the anime/import scene like I used to be but I actually find a lot of Japanese VO's very annoying. However, when the setting is heavily Japanese influenced then it I'd prefer the original language, mainly because things being lost in translation. P3 was acceptable since it was modern city life.

[thelonepig]

The whole Japanese VA are better than English VA is really a silly argument, IMO. Not being a native speaker or fluent in Japanese, it's just not possible to critique the Japanese VAs.

As willardhaven stated, I'm sure their are just as many annoying Japanese VAs.

On the other hand, we do have Sandy Fox...

[Paint Drinker]

Meh I'm generally fine with either if they are done and localized well. This is generally done better in games than in anime. Believe it!
Atlus are very good at localizing and the VA's are about the bar in many respects. That doesn't meant they are perfect however and I understand the bitching about Fuuka's voice. I personally didn't mind it until I began grinding in Tartarus, then the running commentary on everything I did and the enemy did started to sh*t me.
But I listen to podcasts when I am battling in JRPG's, makes them much easier to sit through. I just turn the sound down until I can only hear some of the effects of the game, then just listen to other stuff.

I mean if you really hate the dubbing in P3 and P4, like Chacrana seems to, well it's called Undubbing people, use it. My god did that ever save Tales of the Abyss though. *shudder*

[bigl523]

At least it would've protected us from Fuuka.

Preach it.

[62t]

If NISA can afford to have Japanese voice track for all their games, Atlus can certainly afford to pay for Japanese voice acting in their biggest release of the year.


Funny with the whole dub vs sub is that people don't realized how much is lost in text translation alone. You are never going to get the game in its original language unless you study Japanese.

[Ichigo1993]

Having a second option for VA would be great. Having subtitles for both the English and Japanese VA's would be the way to go.

On the other hand, I don't necessarily see English DUB's of Japanese games to be that bad. P3's voice acting was actually top notch and very tolerable.

[Paint Drinker]

^^
Agreed. Plus, I'd rather them use up the disk space for more game rather than talking anyway. P4's going to be undubbed the second it steps onto American soil anyway, don't worry about it.

[UjnHunter]

Wait... persona doesn't let you hear the original Japanese dialog? They're Dubbed?! Argh... I don't want to listen to Clint Eastwood & some random bimbo girl... ;)

[Paint Drinker]

...I do, Clint's awesome. ;)

[62t]

^^
Agreed. Plus, I'd rather them use up the disk space for more game rather than talking anyway. P4's going to be undubbed the second it steps onto American soil anyway, don't worry about it.

Well first they would have to hard sub the game since P3 didnt have subtitle for the video. Also not every game is undubable, i.e. Digital Devil Saga 2

[Paint Drinker]

Just leave the Dubbed anime cutscenes in until then, then. They only go for like 5-10 seconds in P3 (sadly) not much to whine about. Like I said when I brought all this up is that I like the English talent they are using in P4, so far. It's no Metal Gear Solid, although nothing actually is, but its tolerable to the point where I enjoy it. No Fuuka's in sight to, so I think we're golden.
*gasp*...the enemy!

[LXL_Guy]

Yeah, a must buy for me this December. Boy...more money being put towards games. Good thing I finished 3 and FES though they don't directly have much to do with 4 but just good that I actually finished them.

[thelonepig]

Eight new videos up on the official site. I'm not really caring for Chie's voice actor.

[bigl523]

I'm not caring for ANY of the voice's I've heard so far.

[imascrub]

The only true terrible japanese va's (in my opinion) are those that are doing it for the first time and don't really know what they're doing (which is probably what most of the english va's are, though i'm not saying that as a fact). Most of the japanese va's in the industry are already established and well known, in other words they are already popular and have a following, which is probably why there are a lot of people who prefer japanese to english voices (me included).

[pete5883]

December has snuck up on me. < 3 weeks. Who's playing it at launch?

[bigl523]

i've got ground shipping so i'll be lucky if i'm playing it before xmas...whatever, i've got my backlog still

[thelonepig]

i've got ground shipping so i'll be lucky if i'm playing it before xmas...whatever, i've got my backlog still

I'm in the same boat. I figured there were plenty of games coming out that I can wait for a bit on this one.

[Rodimus]

I got Amazon's free shipping but it's been pretty good to me recently with an average of 3 days. I've already beat a few games so my backlog isn't very big, so I'll be looking forwrd to this ASAP

[Ryuukishi]

I would have just waited to buy this, as I'm still a ways off from finishing P3. But I wanted to make sure I got the artbook. Atlus and their preorder swag...

[TheMaidenOfSorrow]

I finally pre ordered on amazon and got one day shipping, which wasnt that a costly purchased since it averages to about what I would pay at the store ($45). I get out of school really late on the day the games comes out and I'm afraid all the art books will be gone by then. lol

[squid]

I finally pre ordered on amazon and got one day shipping, which wasnt that a costly purchased since it averages to about what I would pay at the store ($45). I get out of school really late on the day the games comes out and I'm afraid all the art books will be gone by then. lol

The extras are inside the Persona 4 box, like Persona 3. If you buy the game you'll get the CD and artbook.

[pete5883]

Artbook is not.

[squid]

Really? Huh, computers don't say there will be an extra coming like they do with other preorder incentives, which would suggest the artbook would have been packaged with the game. Maybe I just overlooked it.

[bigl523]

Artbook is not.

Where are you getting this info from? According to amazon.com

The extras (http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html/ref=amb_link_7513162_2?location=http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/videogames/promos/p4_4pc_glamshot2_650.jpg&token=957BBB0669152D76BE1C614537975585163C1748&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=hero-quick-promo&pf_rd_r=0A29KAQS0M5Z32F3MEXZ&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=439162301&pf_rd_i=B001C6GVI6) will come packaged inside the box with your game.

This does kind of suck as the book will be about the same size as the last one (the size of a dvd case). Oh well.

[pete5883]

I expect it to be handled exactly how the Eternal Poison artbooks were handled (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5122445&postcount=16) - shrinkwrap. If artbooks are going only to pre-orders, and artbooks were inside the package, that would mean there were 2 different packages - one for pre-orders and one for regular orders. That's a waste of money, and there's not really any precedence for doing so. Therefore, the artbook will be outside the actual game package. By "inside the box" I assume they mean Amazon.com shipping box.

[meerkatgamer]

December is comming I can feel it I was browsing persona 4 stuff on amazon looks like they're selling the P4 Official Design Works (Persona 4 Artbook)

http://www.amazon.com/Official-Persona-Artbook-Not-Machine-Specific/dp/B001LEXMCW/ref=rsl_mainw_dpl?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER


*Interview with artist Shigenori Soejima

*191 pages

*includes comments from artist, early sketches, original art, art from game and more.

Hmm has it having interviews and comments etc. on amazon's information part, but I wonder if this is a mistake or is this book translated from the looks of it on their pictures the books in Japanese same as the one selling on play asia..

I'm still going to get it for the artwork anyways even if it doesn't have any english I'm sure it has some nice pictures.

The Persona 4: Amazon.com Exclusive Social Link Expansion Pack is no longer available I guess that's it or maybe they'll have a few more to sell later on or on december 9 I hope all who wanted it pre-ordered and I hope they sell a few more on release day I got a friend who shows interest in persona 3 so I want to order another one for his present on christmas.

EDit:Forgot to include this the PLAY magazine december having persona4 featured on the cover, review, and more the cover for this one looks great can't wait to pick it up so keep an eye out for this worth a buy or look..

[bigl523]

Hmm, I guess Atlus's new business model is release game for cheap price and then clean up with extras. If one wanted to get the whole P4 experience, they would have to spend ~$95.

[Dead of Knight]

Hmm, I guess Atlus's new business model is release game for cheap price and then clean up with extras. If one wanted to get the whole P4 experience, they would have to spend ~$95.

It's good for my cheap ass. Getting the game for $33 shipped from Amazon and calling it a day.

[bigl523]

Agreed, while it would be nice to have some of those other things they are certainly not required.

[Dead of Knight]

Hell, remember the $33 game also comes with a CD, as well as a mini-artbook if you preorder.

[whitereflection]

This month's Play magazine (not the British one) has an extensive 10-page cover story, a 12-page feature on this year's Tokyo Game Show, and two posters: one for Valkyria Chronicles and the other Metal Slug 7. Worth the $5.99 if you ask me.

Edit: Some content couldn't fit in the mag, so you can read it - as well as enter a contest for this game, social link pack, Persona 2 or artbook - online: http://playmagazine.com/index.php?fuseaction=SiteMain.Megaten

[Moxio]

A+ from 1Up.com.

[Rodimus]

Great score but oKay review. Wanted some more indepth talk. I don't understand why he's talking about P3 vs. P4 fanboy wars. Anyways I can't wait to spend 150 hours on this one.

[bjstucker]

I have this pre-ordered at gamestop and jumped on the social link pack.

[laaj]

Any word on if this will support 480p and 16:9?

[Rodimus]

I haven't heard anything offical but I doubt it.

[pete5883]

It's been confirmed that there is no 16:9, I would highly doubt 480p support.

[zephie]

The artbook is now available for pickup at some Gamestops and Gamecrazys (Gamecrazies?). I just picked mine up tonight, and the urge to look through it is almost too strong to resist.

[mrchainsaw]

Stop! Don't look at that art book!

http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8961508&publicUserId=5734288

[donburns99]

Stop! Don't look at that art book!

http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=8961508&publicUserId=5734288Thanks for the info. ^ ^

Although, it is somewhat expected an art book would have spoilers as they are showing things from the game you haven't seen yet.

They do call it Atlus Spoils after all... even beyond that, Atlus has released an amazing amount of YouTube videos about the game that are beyond the normal trailers.

It's become quite a task to avoid spoilers these days. xD

[JEKKI]

old news... 1up gave the game A+.

new news! a couple more perfect reviews!

http://www.destructoid.com/destructoid-review-persona-4-113726.phtml

http://blog.wired.com/games/2008/12/review-persona.html

[Ichigo1993]

Couple of more days! The tension is BUILDING!

[donburns99]

P4 Official Design Works (Persona 4 Artbook - 191 Pages) (http://www.amazon.com/Official-Persona-Artbook-Not-Machine-Specific/dp/B001LEXMCW)

It's now back in stock if anyone wanted one, there is only 1 available though - so act fast.

[Pck21]

So I posted this in the Deals thread as well, but I went ahead and took the plunge and pre-ordered it. I'm hoping that I get the pre-order goodies or else I'll send it back. I had a few questions that I'm hoping a few Persona vets can answer, if you all don't mind of course.

1.) If you haven't played ANY of the previous Persona games, will Persona 4 be a good fit for me?

2.) From the reviews, this game is sounding like it's going to be the next best RPG, or something like FF7. Well maybe not that great, but you get my meaning. Does this game have that kind of potential or is it all overblown hype?

3.) P3 was 100+ hours long and they are saying that P4 is either the same length or longer. Is this to complete the main quest or the main quests and side quests?

[Moxio]

1) P3/4 are JRPGs with social aspects mixed in. Look at videos of P3. If you like what you see, you'll like P4.
2) Next best RPG? Can't say without having played the game.
3) Main quest is already really long. Side will push it over 100.

[DarkSageRK]

Do not believe the hype. Please.

I was uber excited for P3. Like, you have no idea how pumped up I was about the game. But I was let down. Hard.

You may just think it's the best RPG ever once you play it, but do not think it will be going into it.

P4 will be long. Don't worry about how many hours you'll get out of it. Side quests in P3 game were really integrated into the main story, so I wouldn't differentiate between them.

[MSI Magus]

Do not believe the hype. Please.

I was uber excited for P3. Like, you have no idea how pumped up I was about the game. But I was let down. Hard.

You may just think it's the best RPG ever once you play it, but do not think it will be going into it.

P4 will be long. Don't worry about how many hours you'll get out of it. Side quests in P3 game were really integrated into the main story, so I wouldn't differentiate between them.

Ya getting uber excited about stuff it always lets you down. P4 will probally be similar to P3 maybe a little better or worse. P3 is one of my fav games ever.....that said though I do think many people overate it. I say pick it up. For $35 you cant go wrong. There is a very strong chance you like the game and if you dont you can probably flip it with the pre order goodies for atleast what you payed for it.

[Pck21]

1) P3/4 are JRPGs with social aspects mixed in. Look at videos of P3. If you like what you see, you'll like P4.
2) Next best RPG? Can't say without having played the game.
3) Main quest is already really long. Side will push it over 100.

I've looked at the videos and I like the art direction and the battle system. I just don't know how it plays so that's why I was asking the vets of the series. I'm glad it's long though; at least I'll get my money's worth.

Do not believe the hype. Please.

I was uber excited for P3. Like, you have no idea how pumped up I was about the game. But I was let down. Hard.

You may just think it's the best RPG ever once you play it, but do not think it will be going into it.

P4 will be long. Don't worry about how many hours you'll get out of it. Side quests in P3 game were really integrated into the main story, so I wouldn't differentiate between them.

Hmm ok. I haven't actually been hyped up about it. I'm getting into RPGs a lot more recently and the JRPG genre has been capturing my attention with story lines, art, and character depth. The Persona series' instantly grabbed my attention when I read about it. I'm just looking for an RPG that is great (and yes I'm looking for epic in length and overall quality) and long. Persona seems to fit my needs in this area.

Ya getting uber excited about stuff it always lets you down. P4 will probally be similar to P3 maybe a little better or worse. P3 is one of my fav games ever.....that said though I do think many people overate it. I say pick it up. For $35 you cant go wrong. There is a very strong chance you like the game and if you dont you can probably flip it with the pre order goodies for atleast what you payed for it.

I'm hoping for the pre-order goodies more than anything to be honest. I really want to play the game, but I'm pre-ordering soley for those. If I don't get them, I'll return it for a refund and play through P3 first. I think I will like it because I have school finally coming to a close (I'm in college) and I want something to play after work that will take me a while. TV shows have all but bored me at this point and I don't have the money to buy the sports' packages to see the teams I want so I usually sit at home playing online games with my friends. However, when they are not online, I try to find an RPG to get into. So far Tales of Vesperia has done me well, but I want something else to play that's a little different.

[donburns99]

I'm just looking for an RPG that is great (and yes I'm looking for epic in length and overall quality) and long. Persona seems to fit my needs in this area.The Persona series will indeed fit you well, the quality has always been beyond impressive.


I'm hoping for the pre-order goodies more than anything to be honest. I really want to play the game, but I'm pre-ordering soley for those.If you only pre-ordered the game, all you'll get is the Art Book as a bonus; the soundtrack (1st Disc) comes included regardless.

If you mean the Social Link Expansion Pack (Plush, Calendar, T-Shirt, 2nd Disc of Soundtrack) or the P4 Official Design Works, those won't come with the standard pre-order, they must be purchased seperately.

[Pck21]

The Persona series will indeed fit you well, the quality has always been beyond impressive.

Well that certainly makes me feel better. I've been playing some of these new RPGs on the 360 recently (I own both and asked for them for Xmas as well as played them at friend's houses and stuff) and I was underwhelmed in just about every area. Because of my new found fascination with RPGs though, I will play through them because I want to experience the story, good or bad.


If you only pre-ordered the game, all you'll get is the Art Book as a bonus; the soundtrack (1st Disc) comes included regardless.

If you mean the Social Link Expansion Pack (Plush, Calendar, T-Shirt, 2nd Disc of Soundtrack) or the P4 Official Design Works, those won't come with the standard pre-order, they must be purchased seperately.

Nope I'm just talking about the normal pre-order stuff from Amazon only, not the Social Link Expansion Pack. I actually considered buying that one a while back but it was too much for a game I had no idea about or intention of buying at the time. Wasn't it over a $100 or something? The art book is fine enough for me because I like stuff like that.

My real dilemma with the game is "Will it last me long enough?" as well as "Can I get into the story and characters quickly?" I don't want anything too easy or even too difficult to play through. I just want a game that is beautifully done and fun to just sit, be enveloped by the story, and play through.

[Rodimus]

I've looked at the videos and I like the art direction and the battle system. I just don't know how it plays so that's why I was asking the vets of the series. I'm glad it's long though; at least I'll get my money's worth.

Persona 4 will play very similar to P3. There's no need to worry about eariler games. There's similar enimies/themes/settings but totally independant story-wise.

The Persona series will indeed fit you well, the quality has always been beyond impressive.

I have to disagree a little. Persona 1 (while good for it's time) just doesn't hold up well. Loading times, translation and slow combat are all major problems. The series has always been unique and beyond Persona 1 I would say they're all must plays for any JRPG fan looking for something a little diffrent & challenging.

[donburns99]

Wasn't it over a $100 or something?It was $29.99.

My real dilemma with the game is "Will it last me long enough?" as well as "Can I get into the story and characters quickly?" I don't want anything too easy or even too difficult to play through. I just want a game that is beautifully done and fun to just sit, be enveloped by the story, and play through.You'll definitely be pleased. ^ ^

Perhaps even enough to get into the rest of the series. Although, playing Persona 3 FES after Persona 4 will be a step down (the games are very similar) and while it will still be fantastic, you'll probably get less out of it than if you had played FES first. But that's the downside to playing the latest and greatest and then exploring the previous titles.

[Pck21]

Persona 4 will play very similar to P3. There's no need to worry about eariler games. There's similar enimies/themes/settings but totally independant story-wise.

Well I suppose that's good in a way. I certainly don't want to pay for a sequel to a game I haven't even played before lol. I'm intrigued by P4's story with the murder mystery aspect when compared to P3's, which was a little confusing to me...but I can't remember for the life of me why haha.

It was $29.99.

You'll definitely be pleased. ^ ^

Perhaps even enough to get into the rest of the series. Although, playing Persona 3 FES after Persona 4 will be a step down (the games are very similar) and while it will still be fantastic, you'll probably get less out of it than if you had played FES first. But that's the downside to playing the latest and greatest and then exploring the previous titles.

I think what will end up happening is that I will play P3: FES first before diving into P4. I know that P4 might be a bit better than P3 (although there really is no way to know at this point is there?) but I'd like to play through that one first just for chronoligical sake. Heck I might even go insane and play them at the same time! ;)

At any rate, thank you all for answering my questions. Honestly, I ordered the game on a whim this afternoon even though I have bought WAY too much stuff for Xmas for other people so far. I'll basically be broke after this but whatever, I'll have a few games to keep me busy for a while or so it sounds.

If I can ask one more question though, what is the overall premise of the Persona series? I'm getting that it's a group of high school students who happen to have certain "personas" and also have other problems as well? Is that about right or am I just completely off? Again, I'm completely into story lines so the better the story, the better the game is to me. Hence why I went ahead and bought these games!

[donburns99]

(although there really is no way to know at this point is there?)Well, it's been out in Japan for awhile and those that played (import or otherwise) have commented on what's been updated.


but I'd like to play through that one first just for chronoligical sake. Heck I might even go insane and play them at the same time! ;)If you really wanted to go nuts, there is also Persona: Revelations, Persona 2: Eternal Punishment and Persona 2: Innocent Sin (Japenese only, but you can patch it to English), all for the PSX. They may be dated, but they are all fantastic. Downside is that you'll find yourself paying $40-70 for each title if you want them legit. (I personally am still trying to acquire a physical copy of Eternal Punishment myself.)

Also, Persona: Revelations is sort of the black sheep game for Atlus, from a time where JRPG's weren't really brought to America. While they officially translated it, they removed some parts of the game and foolishly tried to mask Japan as being the USA. xD

All the PSX titles can wait though, they're easier to step down to since they are unique in their own right. At least in my opinion anyway.

Beyond that, there is the rest of the Shin Megami Tensei series, dating back to the SNES. The Persona line is just a group of sub-stories off of something much larger. So you have a lot to look into if you really begin to like the series. ^ ^


If I can ask one more question though, what is the overall premise of the Persona series? I'm getting that it's a group of high school students who happen to have certain "personas" and also have other problems as well? Is that about right or am I just completely off? Again, I'm completely into story lines so the better the story, the better the game is to me. Hence why I went ahead and bought these games!When they say Persona, they pretty mean the various 'masks' of the human psyche - symbolizing various personalities/lifestyles. It's basically our alter-ego's quite literally coming to life.

Each game is a little bit different in it's own right, I'd say you are better off experiencing it for yourself and finding out on your own; it's more satisfying that way. Regardless, you won't be disappointed.

[Pck21]

Well, it's been out in Japan for awhile and those that played (import or otherwise) have commented on what's been updated.

That's right, I completely forgot that it's been out in Japan for a while now. I always forget they get these games long before we do. Has anyone on this forum actually played it?

If you really wanted to go nuts, there is also Persona: Revelations, Persona 2: Eternal Punishment and Persona 2: Innocent Sin (Japenese only, but you can patch it to English), all for the PSX. They may be dated, but they are all fantastic. Downside is that you'll find yourself paying $40-70 for each title if you want them legit. (I personally am still trying to acquire a physical copy of Eternal Punishment myself.)

Also, Persona: Revelations is sort of the black sheep game for Atlus, from a time where JRPG's weren't really brought to America. While they officially translated it, they removed some parts of the game and foolishly tried to mask Japan as being the USA. xD

All the PSX titles can wait though, they're easier to step down to since they are unique in their own right. At least in my opinion anyway.

Beyond that, there is the rest of the Shin Megami Tensei series, dating back to the SNES. The Persona line is just a group of sub-stories off of something much larger. So you have a lot to look into if you really begin to like the series. ^ ^

It's funny you should mention the rest of the Personas because I almost bought the reprint of Persona 2 from Amazon a few weeks back. I had it in my cart and everything; I just couldn't pull the trigger. I only know of the SMT series like Nocturne (naturally), Digital Devil, etc, but I've never actually played them. Are they like Persona story-wise or completely new games altogether? I'll read up more on the SMT series as a whole later on because now my interest is piqued. :D


When they say Persona, they pretty mean the various 'masks' of the human psyche - symbolizing various personalities/lifestyles. It's basically our alter-ego's quite literally coming to life.

Each game is a little bit different in it's own right, I'd say you are better off experiencing it for yourself and finding out on your own; it's more satisfying that way. Regardless, you won't be disappointed.

Now that is what I wanted to hear! Being an English major, little nuances and themes like the human psyche intrigue me to no end. I live for that stuff and I've been looking for a game that incorporates themes like this. So far, I'm beginning to feel like I made thr right decision after all.

I also wanted to thank you for taking the time to explain this all to me. As you can see, once I become fascinated by something, I take it to another level. I want to know anything and everything about whatever it is I'm interested by, so this plethora of information is absolutely perfect! I can't wait to finally get my hands on this series once and for all. Thanks again! :bouncy:

[donburns99]

It's funny you should mention the rest of the Personas because I almost bought the reprint of Persona 2 from Amazon a few weeks back. I had it in my cart and everything; I just couldn't pull the trigger. I only know of the SMT series like Nocturne (naturally), Digital Devil, etc, but I've never actually played them. Are they like Persona story-wise or completely new games altogether? I'll read up more on the SMT series as a whole later on because now my interest is piqued. :DI found out about the reprint a few days too late, otherwise I would have jumped on it.

Nocturne seems to be the first SMT game a lot of people come across I've noticed.

The games of the SMT series revolve around the same general idea; it's just that the different subsets of the series focus on different things.

In the Persona line, there is the RPG with the social aspect mixed in along the way.

In Nocturne you watch as Japan becomes apoctolyptic with the human world pretty much being destroyed. Due to circumstances, you manage to survive and what you do next is where the story begins.

I'll let you read up on the rest. ^ ^

Now that is what I wanted to hear! Being an English major, little nuances and themes like the human psyche intrigue me to no end. I live for that stuff and I've been looking for a game that incorporates themes like this. So far, I'm beginning to feel like I made thr right decision after all.Am glad to hear that, it sounds like you'll enjoy this game a lot.

I also wanted to thank you for taking the time to explain this all to me. As you can see, once I become fascinated by something, I take it to another level. I want to know anything and everything about whatever it is I'm interested by, so this plethora of information is absolutely perfect! I can't wait to finally get my hands on this series once and for all. Thanks again! :bouncy:No problem, enjoy.

[zewone]

I've played a little bit of the Japanese version of Persona 4 when it was released. It seems like Persona 3 all over again (which is a great thing).

I played enough to be sold.

[Pck21]

I've played a little bit of the Japanese version of Persona 4 when it was released. It seems like Persona 3 all over again (which is a great thing).

I played enough to be sold.

That honestly makes me feel a lot better. I think I'm going to enjoy this game, probably even this series, far more than I previously thought. I'm ready to take the ride lol.

I did a little research on the SMT series by the way and I'm completely sold on it. It sounds like my type of game and I'm now just waiting for my stuff to ship and see where it all takes me. The story is more than half the journey for me so I'm liking what I read. I'm surprised that Atlus hasn't brought this series to the PS3 though...any ideas why that is?

[MSI Magus]

2 things that you must like to like Persona

1. Can you grind and do so on the same or similar enemies? Much of Persona is grinding similar enemies to level up your many different Personas. Persona is less about your level and more about the Personas you have on hand and exploiting enemy weakness?

2. Are you ok with talking to NPCs and doing some things not directly related to the plot? Part of the way to build your power(a very important way if you dont want to double your grinding)is by talking to NPCs and the rare playable character to build relations which effect your Persona power and level.

If these 2 things are ok by you then you should enjoy Persona. Persona 3 also requires a taste for dungeon crawling since you will be power leveling in the same randomly determined dungeon a lot. Think they might have gotten rid of that in P4.

[zewone]

Persona 4 has more diverse dungeons.

[donburns99]

I'm surprised that Atlus hasn't brought this series to the PS3 though...any ideas why that is?If it's not broken, don't fix it.

Also, SMT is a niche series and many of it's followers are PS2 owners. On top of that, the PS2 currently still has a greater overall user base than the PS3 has. Moving to the PS3 at this point in time would most likely limit sales for Atlus.

[Pck21]

2 things that you must like to like Persona

1. Can you grind and do so on the same or similar enemies? Much of Persona is grinding similar enemies to level up your many different Personas. Persona is less about your level and more about the Personas you have on hand and exploiting enemy weakness?

2. Are you ok with talking to NPCs and doing some things not directly related to the plot? Part of the way to build your power(a very important way if you dont want to double your grinding)is by talking to NPCs and the rare playable character to build relations which effect your Persona power and level.

If these 2 things are ok by you then you should enjoy Persona. Persona 3 also requires a taste for dungeon crawling since you will be power leveling in the same randomly determined dungeon a lot. Think they might have gotten rid of that in P4.

1.) I don't mind grinding...to an extent. If it's to level up and get to that next level to either move the game along or thicken the plot, then I'm ok with it. Fighting the same enemies does become boring for me but it depends on the game. If I'm fighting the same enemies, but I'm able to find different ways to defeat them, then I'm all for it. It's like a brain game to me at that point.

2.) I LOVE talking to NPCs. I'm probably the only person but I like seeing what other characters offer to the game. If it means going on side quests, I love it more.

If it's not broken, don't fix it.

Also, SMT is a niche series and many of it's followers are PS2 owners. On top of that, the PS2 currently still has a greater overall user base than the PS3 has. Moving to the PS3 at this point in time would most likely limit sales for Atlus.

Ahh ok, that makes a lot more sense. Well in that case, they should just keep it on the PS2 until they can build a good foundation on the PS3. My mind begins to explode as I think about the endless things to do with this type of game and the PS3...wow.

Is the Persona series a good one to start out with if you haven't played the rest of the SMT series like Digital Devil Summoner and so on? I've heard that Nocturne is brutally difficult but rewarding.

[donburns99]

Ahh ok, that makes a lot more sense. Well in that case, they should just keep it on the PS2 until they can build a good foundation on the PS3.I agree, that's what I think they're doing.

Is the Persona series a good one to start out with if you haven't played the rest of the SMT series like Digital Devil Summoner and so on? I've heard that Nocturne is brutally difficult but rewarding.Persona is a very good series to start out with, it's more relaxed than the rest thanks to the social part of the game. P3 FES is the one that I got the girlfriend hooked on and now she loves the series.

You can't go wrong with whatever you choose, Nocturne is the one I see most people recommend to others, but Persona would be much more of a gentle push in the right direction.

I personally started with Persona: Revelations back when it came out and forgot about the series until Nocturne and Persona 3 popped up.

[Pck21]

Persona is a very good series to start out with, it's more relaxed than the rest thanks to the social part of the game. P3 FES is the one that I got the girlfriend hooked on and now she loves the series.

You can't go wrong with whatever you choose, Nocturne is the one I see most people recommend to others, but Persona would be much more of a gentle push in the right direction.

I personally started with Persona: Revelations back when it came out and forgot about the series until Nocturne and Persona 3 popped up.

Ok well now I'm just stoked that I made this purchase lol. This may sound a bit weird and even completely off, but does the Persona series resemble the Phoenix Wright series in terms of social interactions and what not? I know it's a bit of a stretch but I'm trying to explain it to my gf who likes the Phoenix Wright games, which is what she calls "the lawyer game," but I can't seem to come up witha comparison for her.

So has the Persona series ever been mentioned as going online at anytime? I'm thinking along the lines of .dot Hack or something. It seems like it would be a good fit with the social interaction.

[donburns99]

Ok well now I'm just stoked that I made this purchase lol. This may sound a bit weird and even completely off, but does the Persona series resemble the Phoenix Wright series in terms of social interactions and what not? I know it's a bit of a stretch but I'm trying to explain it to my gf who likes the Phoenix Wright games, which is what she calls "the lawyer game," but I can't seem to come up witha comparison for her.I wouldn't know. Girlfriend also loves the Phoenix Wright series, but I never got into many of the DS games personally.

You get to join various school clubs, go out on dates, hang out with friends, etc.


So has the Persona series ever been mentioned as going online at anytime? I'm thinking along the lines of .dot Hack or something. It seems like it would be a good fit with the social interaction.
Just received this email today:

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Attention, Atlus Faithful member! You have been hand-picked to receive a rather awesome treat. Our friends at Aeria Games have provided us with a limited number of closed beta invitations to SMT: Imagine Online. Please look below for your special closed beta registration key, which will grant you exclusive access! Another Atlus Faithful perk, courtesy of our friends at Aeria games!




Here's a link to the website: Shin Megami Tensei: Imagine Online (http://megaten.aeriagames.com/)

[Dead of Knight]

I've played a little bit of pirated the Japanese version of Persona 4 when it was released.

Fixed.

[MSI Magus]

1.) I don't mind grinding...to an extent. If it's to level up and get to that next level to either move the game along or thicken the plot, then I'm ok with it. Fighting the same enemies does become boring for me but it depends on the game. If I'm fighting the same enemies, but I'm able to find different ways to defeat them, then I'm all for it. It's like a brain game to me at that point.

2.) I LOVE talking to NPCs. I'm probably the only person but I like seeing what other characters offer to the game. If it means going on side quests, I love it more.



Ahh ok, that makes a lot more sense. Well in that case, they should just keep it on the PS2 until they can build a good foundation on the PS3. My mind begins to explode as I think about the endless things to do with this type of game and the PS3...wow.

Is the Persona series a good one to start out with if you haven't played the rest of the SMT series like Digital Devil Summoner and so on? I've heard that Nocturne is brutally difficult but rewarding.

If you love talking to NPCs you will love this game. It goes on a Monday-Sunday routine just like real life. Each day you can only do so many activities with your character and one of them is going out on a date with an NPC to raise your relationship with them. Answering their questions in the way they want to hear will further up their feelings towards you. At certain points their feelings will reach a new level and the Tarot Card representing them will go up a level. When you summon a new Persona it will have a Tarot symbol attatched to it so if you have powered up the social level that Persona will be at a higher level then normal. This greatly reduces the grind of the game. So for instance lets say you summon a Persona named Alice who is the Death Tarot symbol and you have a level 5 friendship with the NPC with the death tarot then you will gain a higher percet based on that 5%. If Alice would normally be level 45 then she might be like lvl 52 if your death tarot friendship is at max.

Since you like talking to NPCs this should be great for you!

[Pck21]

I wouldn't know. Girlfriend also loves the Phoenix Wright series, but I never got into many of the DS games personally.

You get to join various school clubs, go out on dates, hang out with friends, etc.



Just received this email today:
Attention, Atlus Faithful member! You have been hand-picked to receive a rather awesome treat. Our friends at Aeria Games have provided us with a limited number of closed beta invitations to SMT: Imagine Online. Please look below for your special closed beta registration key, which will grant you exclusive access! Another Atlus Faithful perk, courtesy of our friends at Aeria games!




Here's a link to the website: Shin Megami Tensei: Imagine Online (http://megaten.aeriagames.com/)

Well I just signed up and joined to see if I can get in that beta as well. I'm completely speechless right now lol.

If you love talking to NPCs you will love this game. It goes on a Monday-Sunday routine just like real life. Each day you can only do so many activities with your character and one of them is going out on a date with an NPC to raise your relationship with them. Answering their questions in the way they want to hear will further up their feelings towards you. At certain points their feelings will reach a new level and the Tarot Card representing them will go up a level. When you summon a new Persona it will have a Tarot symbol attatched to it so if you have powered up the social level that Persona will be at a higher level then normal. This greatly reduces the grind of the game. So for instance lets say you summon a Persona named Alice who is the Death Tarot symbol and you have a level 5 friendship with the NPC with the death tarot then you will gain a higher percet based on that 5%. If Alice would normally be level 45 then she might be like lvl 52 if your death tarot friendship is at max.

Since you like talking to NPCs this should be great for you!

Yea I'm really looking forward to this game now. I'm checking to see if it has shipped yet but so far it's just preparing for shipment. When it comes though...I don't think I'll go outside for a while haha.

[Rodimus]

This is awesome. Amazon shipped mine yesterday. Should get it on the 9th. Too bad I'm working everyday till Christmas Eve. I'd like to just spend an entire day playing this.

Here's to the last great PS2 game :beer: Let's go out with a bang.

[Pck21]

This is awesome. Amazon shipped mine yesterday. Should get it on the 9th. Too bad I'm working everyday till Christmas Eve. I'd like to just spend an entire day playing this.

Here's to the last great PS2 game :beer: Let's go out with a bang.

Cheers to that! :beer:

I hear ya man! I just want to be done with classes so I can sit down and play this thing. I hope you get enough time from the 9th to Xmas to play this!

So, here's a dumb question...I think I'm getting P3: FES for Xmas but I'm not sure. Should I wait to play P3 before I play P4 or wll it matter? I just don't want to ruin the experience or nuance of P4 is all.

[laaj]

Is there any changes to fusion system? I loved P3 except for spending hours on just the right fusions. No I refuse to use guides or faqs so that's not an option.

[Calamityuponthee]

Anyone know what day gamestop will be getting these? Assuming Tuesday, since it's shipping tomorrow.

[donburns99]

Anyone know what day gamestop will be getting these? Assuming Tuesday, since it's shipping tomorrow.From what I've seen, Gamestop seems to get games the day after release. So I'd say Wednesday. I'm sure if you give them a call, they'd let you know.

If you know it's shipping Monday, then they'll probably get them Tuesday.

I've also seen cases where they get the game on release day, but in the second shipment they receive, generally around 6pm.

[happy]

Here's to the last great PS2 game :beer: Let's go out with a bang.

Well metacritic has it at a 97 so far aka the highest rated PS2 game EVER. And when you read the reviews it seems like it deserves it.

:applause:

[pete5883]

A reminder for those who care about that sorta thing, and missed it earlier:

DO NOT READ THE AWESOME PREORDER ARTBOOK. ADMIRE THE PRETTY, MESMERIZINGLY YELLOW COVER UNTIL YOU BEAT THE GAME 100 SHOCKINGLY SHORT HOURS LATER. THAT IS ALL.

Both contain MASSIVE spoilers. Really, the only reason I've revealed the small details I have in my previews and reviews is because it's my job to dispense information about the game. The game is good. Do not read about it. Play it. That is all.

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[Ryuukishi]

So, here's a dumb question...I think I'm getting P3: FES for Xmas but I'm not sure. Should I wait to play P3 before I play P4 or wll it matter? I just don't want to ruin the experience or nuance of P4 is all.
From what I've heard, the stories are completely separate, with only a few minor character crossovers. Both games run on the same engine so the gameplay experiences should be very similar. P4 is supposedly more difficult but also has some tweaks to make things faster/smoother.

And I'll bet we haven't seen the last of the PS2 just yet. :)

[happy]

I would play P3 before 4 just because going backwards in a series like this is often tough since you'll feel like you're missing all of the improvements. For example in 4 you control all of your characters, in 3 you don't. Playing 3 this may not be a big deal, but if you've already played 4 it may become frustrating in 3.

So if you plan to play both I'd say 3 first just because it will probably seem worse after 4. That said if you don't want to spend 200 hours playing both just play 4, the stories won't be connected.

Or spend 200 hours playing 4 twice since you won't get everything the first time (if you're a completionist)

[Pck21]

I would play P3 before 4 just because going backwards in a series like this is often tough since you'll feel like you're missing all of the improvements. For example in 4 you control all of your characters, in 3 you don't. Playing 3 this may not be a big deal, but if you've already played 4 it may become frustrating in 3.

So if you plan to play both I'd say 3 first just because it will probably seem worse after 4. That said if you don't want to spend 200 hours playing both just play 4, the stories won't be connected.

Or spend 200 hours playing 4 twice since you won't get everything the first time (if you're a completionist)

I would LOVE to be a completionist but I'm too busy to even attempt to do so lol. I heard that P4 also had computer controlled characters just like P3 but maybe I read it wrong. I think I'll be forced to play P4 first since I asked for P3 for Xmas haha. Thanks for the info though!

I've heard of people actually getting their shipments already. If you have, can you share your experience with the game thus far? No spoilers or anything, just initial impressions.

[Ryuukishi]

Am I the only one who likes the AI control in P3 and plans to leave it enabled in P4? I love how quickly the battles move with only having to select one action per turn.

[MSI Magus]

Holy fucking shit my package just came. First off the art book was actually in pretty good condition and damn nice for a $35 game but second its suprising as shit that I got it today given I used super saver shipping. Only bitch I have is that while the art book is nice the game itself is just your basic PS2 game....I thought it was going to be like Persona 3 where it would come in a nice display case again.

[Pck21]

Holy fucking shit my package just came. First off the art book was actually in pretty good condition and damn nice for a $35 game but second its suprising as shit that I got it today given I used super saver shipping. Only bitch I have is that while the art book is nice the game itself is just your basic PS2 game....I thought it was going to be like Persona 3 where it would come in a nice display case again.

I'm glad to hear the art book was worth it! Have you played the game yet?

[MSI Magus]

I'm glad to hear the art book was worth it! Have you played the game yet?

Nah, ill probably be waiting. My mother in law is getting me the social link pack for Christmas so I figured I would wait and play it when I get that. I also just started Suikoden V yesterday and when my 360 comes back form repairs I will continue ToV which I was halfway through when my 360 RRoDed.

[Pck21]

Nah, ill probably be waiting. My mother in law is getting me the social link pack for Christmas so I figured I would wait and play it when I get that. I also just started Suikoden V yesterday and when my 360 comes back form repairs I will continue ToV which I was halfway through when my 360 RRoDed.

Ouch dude! Well at least you can get back to ToV I suppose...

[blueweltall]

Nah, ill probably be waiting. My mother in law is getting me the social link pack for Christmas so I figured I would wait and play it when I get that. I also just started Suikoden V yesterday and when my 360 comes back form repairs I will continue ToV which I was halfway through when my 360 RRoDed.

Suikoden V is excellent! Almost good as II! Although many people complain about the slow start but I really like the slow pace at the beginning. It help build it up.

[Moxio]

Holy fucking shit my package just came. First off the art book was actually in pretty good condition and damn nice for a $35 game but second its suprising as shit that I got it today given I used super saver shipping. Only bitch I have is that while the art book is nice the game itself is just your basic PS2 game....I thought it was going to be like Persona 3 where it would come in a nice display case again.

Where are you located? It seems like all of the P4's shipped from Philadelphia.