XBOX 360 Jasper Chip Discussion

[MoltenMan]

So many rumors of the 60GB Pro system carrying the Jasper chipset, I'd hate to add one more, but I noticed something on amazon.com that does indicate SOME kind of difference.

Amazon.com lists the 20GB Pro system to weigh in at 16 pounds. The listing for the new 60GB Pro system is listed at 13.8 pounds. Almost a three pound difference between the two.

The 60GB console is only advertised to have a larger storage HDD and Microsoft NEVER discusses their chipsets it seems like.

So I wonder, is the weight difference possibly from a lighter power supply?

I hope someone gets one of these soon.

[Magehart]

I wish they would make official announcements about this because waiting on Jasper is the only reason I haven't bought a new 360 yet.

[Hybrid5006]

I wish they would do something about that huge as power brick... who's brilliant idea was it to make a 5lb brick that gets super hot if you leave your 360 on for too long...

[h3llbring3r]

I imagine since this is a phase out of the 20GB model the Jaspers will be, initially, mixed with Falcons until supply runs out. Then it will be all Jaspers.

[KingBroly]

We'll never know. The best answer I can give is to wait until next year. Or check boxes for that sort of thing.

[dmaul1114]

Yeah, they'll just slap a 60GB HDD on existing falcon units until they are out. So a 60GM HDD will never be a guarantee of having the Jasper motherboard. Just like not all elites were Falcons etc.

[typeRJ]

I wish they would do something about that huge as power brick... who's brilliant idea was it to make a 5lb brick that gets super hot if you leave your 360 on for too long...

It's a lighter now. My Elite from Apr 2007 had the 5 lb brick, but my Feb 2008 Pro doesn't seem to have as much metal, thus making it lighter. It's still not super light, maybe it's like 3 lbs now.

My guess is the same as dmaul's. With GS and Amazon listing release dates as tomorrow and late August respectively, I'm thinking they're still Falcons.

[62t]

Jasper is design to save cost. It is not design to elimate RODs

[bigdaddybruce44]

Jasper is design to save cost. It is not design to elimate RODs

Well, it supposedly includes a die shrink to the GPU, so that should help to further reduce the RRoD issues.

[seanr1221]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:F247tXGHzqGS_M:http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/7333/pictures/Jasper.jpg

Jasper would keep the system nice and cool.

[vherub]

It would be nice if all 60s were jasper, then rrod units could be phased out, there would be less guessing when purchasing and less chance if the unit breaks of getting a worse unit in return.

[Monsta Mack]

With all the RROD's and since I rather spend more on a new system then $100 on a refurb that is eventually going to die anyways, the Jasper while not 100% RROD proof would probably have a less chance of dying. I'm just hoping the Arcade bundles have Jaspers to because honestly I don't need all the HD space.

[Ex~]

It would be nice if all 60s were jasper, then rrod units could be phased out.
You honestly think Jasper won't be as shoddy as the previous editions that were supposedly improved and more stable? First it's the Elite will be fixed, then it's the Falcon will be fixed, now it's the Jasper. Then they give us a mediocre warrantee that has now expired, even though problems persist, and yet there's still no lawsuit. They've added heatsinks, shrunk the die, shrunk other components, added fans I believe, and still the 360 is a piece of crap.

I don't expect Microsoft will magically fix all their problems with the Jasper, they are now officially the worst hardware company in gaming history, so I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt until Jasper units prove themselves by NOT BREAKING.

The Jasper while not 100% RROD proof would probably have a less chance of dying.
As far as I can tell, the chance of a 360 RROD is 100%. Which is consistent with the severe inherent design flaw that causes the RROD. It's not that Microsoft makes a high percentage of Lemons, it's that EVERY 360 is a Lemon by design. It's not a matter of "will your 360 die", it's a matter of "when will your 360 die". Shrinking dies just lessens the impact of heating/cooling/expanding/cracking, which only slows down the process: it doesn't actually fix it.

[62t]

You would think that MS should be able to hire some of the best engineers in the world to fix the problem.

[evyrew]

To bad the listing doesn't show the power rating... We should be able to tell if it's a Jasper by how much power it consumes. I'm surprised that they aren't going to bundle the 60 gig with any games... don't they normally do that when they introduce a new SKU?

[Monsta Mack]

Well if it can last me another 3 years with one RROD or none then It's worth it to me. I already poured in a ton of money and being the tool that I am I will pour in more money. I'm assuming by the 6th year (or less) MS will already have another console in the works so it won't matter to me much by then and probably not much to MS either unless they are going to focus more on profit which looked like a reality till they extended every 360's warranty for three years. However, if they can manage to make a profit of even $150 mil a quarter I doubt they would be in a rush to throw out the next xbox, as they need over five billion in profit to even come close to breaking even.

The 360, hardware and reliability wise is a giant piece of shit. On the other hand it has the best games out of all the systems and I'm willing to pay the price for that.

[refusedchaos]

You would think that MS should be able to hire some of the best engineers in the world to fix the problem.

its a design flaw with the 360 case

[Ex~]

To bad the listing doesn't show the power rating... We should be able to tell if it's a Jasper by how much power it consumes. I'm surprised that they aren't going to bundle the 60 gig with any games... don't they normally do that when they introduce a new SKU?They do that for the holidays. I'm sure come November at the latest, there will be a bundle out.

[spoo]

You honestly think Jasper won't be as shoddy as the previous editions that were supposedly improved and more stable? First it's the Elite will be fixed, then it's the Falcon will be fixed, now it's the Jasper. You are wrong with each revision the % of hardware failure is dropping by around 50%. Then they give us a mediocre warrantee that has now expired, even though problems persist, and yet there's still no lawsuit. They've added heatsinks, shrunk the die, shrunk other components, added fans I believe, and still the 360 is a piece of crap. The warranty hasn't expired. You get a 3 year warranty from the original date of purchase, so as of today all consoles that don't have a voided warranty are covered.
I don't understand why you are pissed that there isn't a law suit. MS extended the warranty without a lawsuit. If you look at the class action suit vs. Sony with the PS2 all they had to do was fix DRE consoles for free but the day Sony came out with the PS2 slim they no longer fixed any consoles for free. So MS giving a 3 year warranty is better for us customers than what a class action suit would have done on top of that MS pays for shipping both ways.

I don't expect Microsoft will magically fix all their problems with the Jasper, they are now officially the worst hardware company in gaming history, so I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt until Jasper units prove themselves by NOT BREAKING.

I'm guessing you didn't have a NES that after about a year you had to fidget every cart to get to work or a PSX that overheated, didn't read disks without turning upside down or one that wouldn't play FMV or PS2 fat with DRE or wouldn't read DVD9 games.

I'm not happy with the shitty 360 but making silly claim doesn't make you anything more than a fanboy.
And yes my 360 is on its way back from Texas as I type.

[Monsta Mack]

Well said Spoo.

I would say the only nice thing about a PS2 "dying" is they are cheaper to replace At the $130 price point.
It's only a matter of time before your PS2 drive gets a DRE, or you may get a unlucky slim and overheat.
With Microsoft your only issue is time, because from three years from the date you buy it your protected from the RROD. Tell me what company is going to provide you three years of repair service and free shipping both ways? Not Nintendo or Sony. Yes they have less failures, but if you happen to be in the minority and have a problem then your fucked.

As I said a long time ago, if your worried about dying you might as well not go outside. People die everyday for various reasons and you can't protect yourself from everyone/everything. Don't let the chance of having a RROD scare you from buying a 360. When the time comes just deal with it for a few weeks, go get laid or play on your PC/other systems and wait for your system to return.

[bigdaddybruce44]

Well, I'll throw my two cents in.

As annoying as it is to wait around three weeks to get your 360 back, at the very least, you are covered three years for the RRoD (there are still plenty of other issues to deal with, keep in mind). So, I wouldn't let Microsoft's poor console design stop you from getting a 360. It didn't stop me. Mine went after about 8 months, mind you, but overall, I am still happy I got a 360.

I think it is pretty safe to say that Microsoft has a pretty spotty history of console hardware. The original Xbox had its fair share of issues, probably highlighted by the power cord causing fires, and now, the 360 is a pretty big mess. Other consoles have had their problems, but they are seriously dwarfed by the problems Microsoft has had with their first two efforts.

[MoltenMan]

It seems the system has been spotted at a few Target stores here in America. Some places like joystiq.com and kotaku have posted user photos of it too.

So it's out there, and now it's a matter of time before someone tells us what's under the hood. Or at least what's on the label or power brick...

[fart_bubble]

Other consoles have had their problems, but they are seriously dwarfed by the problems Microsoft has had with their first two efforts.

Really? IMO, Sony easily takes that honor

[bigdaddybruce44]

Really? IMO, Sony easily takes that honor

Kind of difficult to say Sony easily takes that honor. I don't think we can truly say which one is worse, lacking any definitive numbers, but you can certainly make a case for either company.

Sony has sold like 250 million consoles with the PS1 and PS2, so the magnitude of their issues were greatly magnified. The percentage of failed consoles, while probably high, is made to look a lot worse when you consider the number of failed consoles.

Microsoft, on the other hand, hasn't even cracked the 100 million mark with their first two consoles, so the the number of failed consoles doesn't look as bad. The percentage, though, especially for the 360, is pretty high, whatever it may be. It was bad enough to leave them with zero choice but to extend the warranty or the face the consequences.

[Gumby the Green]

You honestly think Jasper won't be as shoddy as the previous editions that were supposedly improved and more stable? First it's the Elite will be fixed, then it's the Falcon will be fixed, now it's the Jasper. Then they give us a mediocre warrantee that has now expired, even though problems persist, and yet there's still no lawsuit. They've added heatsinks, shrunk the die, shrunk other components, added fans I believe, and still the 360 is a piece of crap.

I don't expect Microsoft will magically fix all their problems with the Jasper, they are now officially the worst hardware company in gaming history, so I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt until Jasper units prove themselves by NOT BREAKING.


As far as I can tell, the chance of a 360 RROD is 100%. Which is consistent with the severe inherent design flaw that causes the RROD. It's not that Microsoft makes a high percentage of Lemons, it's that EVERY 360 is a Lemon by design. It's not a matter of "will your 360 die", it's a matter of "when will your 360 die". Shrinking dies just lessens the impact of heating/cooling/expanding/cracking, which only slows down the process: it doesn't actually fix it.

that was a lovely little run off, but are you gonna tell me that the 360 isn't the gaming console to own this gen? hardware might be weak but everything else is stellar. if you hate microsoft so much go buy a PS3 and get you some great onlin.... oh wait thats right. or how about a wii? i bet their press conference just had you scrambling to get that wii music so you too can look like a jackass.

P.S. i own both a 360 and a PS3

[keithp]

It seems the system has been spotted at a few Target stores here in America. Some places like joystiq.com and kotaku have posted user photos of it too.

So it's out there, and now it's a matter of time before someone tells us what's under the hood. Or at least what's on the label or power brick...

It's also in the Best Buy Sunday ad for the coming week of Aug 3. Hopefully someone will crack that puppy open soon and let us know if Jasper's in there! I'd guess the first version will be a clearout of Falcon's though.

[Access_Denied]

I wish they would do something about that huge as power brick... who's brilliant idea was it to make a 5lb brick that gets super hot if you leave your 360 on for too long...

If they were smart, they would have built it inside the unit like the PS3, so we wouldn't have to deal with that big ass thing. But they wanted the unit to be 'smaller'. Little do customers know that the 360 is lighter than the PS3, but comes with a 4lb power brick. Damn MS. :bomb:

[Littlefields]

If they were smart, they would have built it inside the unit like the PS3, so we wouldn't have to deal with that big ass thing. But they wanted the unit to be 'smaller'. Little do customers know that the 360 is lighter than the PS3, but comes with a 4lb power brick. Damn MS. :bomb:
Wouldn't that add to the overheating?

[dmaul1114]

Wouldn't that add to the overheating?

Definitely--given that the brick gets pretty warm. But of course PS3s don't seem to overheat so it's obviously possible to design properly.

But putting the same power block in the same 360s they would probably all melt in a day.

[Gumby the Green]

Definitely--given that the brick gets pretty warm. But of course PS3s don't seem to overheat so it's obviously possible to design properly.

But putting the same power block in the same 360s they would probably all melt in a day.

agreed, in fact there is a very real possibility that they would burst into flame, laugh maniacally and catch your entire house on fire all the while telling you that there is an update for the current problem

[GLOCKGLOCK]

It's also in the Best Buy Sunday ad for the coming week of Aug 3. Hopefully someone will crack that puppy open soon and let us know if Jasper's in there! I'd guess the first version will be a clearout of Falcon's though.

Yea, it is only a matter of time before someone picks one up and figures out if there is a new chipset in the 60gb systems. Just like with the falcons though, it will probably only be certain MFG dates/teams/lots at first until they are out of falcons. So if you waited this long for a chipset that doesn't Red Ring, then I'm sure you can wait a couple weeks longer until this whole Jasper thing is sorted out.

Then again, if the Jasper is full of false promises to stop the RRoD just like the Falcon was then it is all pretty meaningless.

[bigdaddybruce44]

It certainly isn't going to stop the RRoD, but a die-shrink to the GPU should greatly reduce the issue. Like others have said, it really seems to boil down to a bad design and nothing can completely fix that, other than a complete redesign of the system, which we know isn't happening. But the Falcons do appear to have brought it down quite a bit, so I have a good feeling Jasper should bring the 360's failure rate to a somewhat more acceptable rate.

[Albo23]

You honestly think Jasper won't be as shoddy as the previous editions that were supposedly improved and more stable? First it's the Elite will be fixed, then it's the Falcon will be fixed, now it's the Jasper. Then they give us a mediocre warrantee that has now expired, even though problems persist, and yet there's still no lawsuit. They've added heatsinks, shrunk the die, shrunk other components, added fans I believe, and still the 360 is a piece of crap.

I don't expect Microsoft will magically fix all their problems with the Jasper, they are now officially the worst hardware company in gaming history, so I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt until Jasper units prove themselves by NOT BREAKING.


As far as I can tell, the chance of a 360 RROD is 100%. Which is consistent with the severe inherent design flaw that causes the RROD. It's not that Microsoft makes a high percentage of Lemons, it's that EVERY 360 is a Lemon by design. It's not a matter of "will your 360 die", it's a matter of "when will your 360 die". Shrinking dies just lessens the impact of heating/cooling/expanding/cracking, which only slows down the process: it doesn't actually fix it.

Bla, bla, bla, Sony Fanboy, bla, bla, bla.

If you actually know what the issue is for the 360 you'd know if it'd be fixed or not. :roll: The Falcon greatly reduced the chance of a RROD. Also, no one said that the Elite will reduced the RROD either. The warranty is also still intact for every single Xbox 360 owner so anytime you have a problem, they'll fix it. :bouncy: No fans were added? I believe the Jasper will fix the issue even more, prolonging the RROD even further into the 360's life. My guess is about six years if you're unlucky. :p

It's of matter of when it will die for every single console moron. No electronic will live forever. I also believe your beloved PS3 has a 100% die rate, same with the Wii and every other console. I still have my 360 from '05 and it works fine.

[Ruined]

I find it hilarious when fans of other consoles blow RROD out of proportion, like it is some huge unsolved mystery, in order to bolster their preference for another brand.

The answer is very simple. All 360s made prior to Falcon did not have sufficient cooling for the heat the GPU put out, resulting in problems like GPUs popping off warped mobos & solder cracking over time and the like and hence RROD. The defect rate on pre-Falcon 360s is going to be very high unless you live in a cool climate.

The Falcon chipset fixed this by putting much more beefy cooling on the GPU. It is not rocket science. Two things are problems for GPUs - yield and heat. Neither is an issue with Falcon. There are PC GPUs that get much hotter and require much more power than the 360 GPU, but they are given adequate cooling so there is no issue. MS solved the cooling issue with Falcon; they went from a 90nm GPU with a crappy heatsink to a 80nm GPU with a beefy heatsink + heatpipe.

We have yet to see how reliable Jasper is, but it will likely be just as reliable as Falcon. Of course, that will not eliminate RROD because there will always be defective consoles when you are mass manufacturing electronics in China and Mexico as all the console makers do.

[Renegade Moose]

Is there any news about a release of just the 60 GB hard drive? I would like to upgrade my hard drive but not when they are charging almost as much as a new console. Hell, I would be happy if I could use the other 10 GB of my 20 GB HDD.

[dmaul1114]

Hard drive will be available on it's own, but overpriced at $100.

[GTzerO]

The Falcon chipset fixed this by putting much more beefy cooling on the GPU. It is not rocket science. Two things are problems for GPUs - yield and heat. Neither is an issue with Falcon. There are PC GPUs that get much hotter and require much more power than the 360 GPU, but they are given adequate cooling so there is no issue. MS solved the cooling issue with Falcon; they went from a 90nm GPU with a crappy heatsink to a 80nm GPU with a beefy heatsink + heatpipe.

We have yet to see how reliable Jasper is, but it will likely be just as reliable as Falcon. Of course, that will not eliminate RROD because there will always be defective consoles when you are mass manufacturing electronics in China and Mexico as all the console makers do.
The problem is that it's hard to tell if a single console is just defective or all of them are prone to RRODs ( i.e you have no room to say that they've " fixed " the problem, just like I have no room to say that they haven't)

[Monsta Mack]

A few people have already had RRODs with the Falcons according to the 360 RROD FAQ and a seperate topic for it, so I'm still waiting on the Jasper for more reliability, not necessarily 100% RROD proof.

[MoltenMan]

Someone who purchased a 60GB console:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibw7o8BOY8E

[vherub]

still inconclusive
you'd think someone would tear into one, the page hits would be worth it

[Ruined]

A few people have already had RRODs with the Falcons according to the 360 RROD FAQ and a seperate topic for it, so I'm still waiting on the Jasper for more reliability, not necessarily 100% RROD proof.

There will always be a few defects when you mass manufacture electronics. No 360 chipset will be free of RROD.

The Falcon board was specifically crafted to fix the RROD issue as evidenced by its totally redesigned heatsinks and cooling system. Microsoft even designed a second board "Opus" specifically for their repair depot based on the Falcon chipset (not jasper) that fits in non-HDMI cases to replace the old launch mobos when they get a console in for repair. Clearly Microsoft believes Falcon is reliable otherwise they would not have done that, Microsoft's hardware fix for RROD consoles is a Falcon or Opus motherboard depending on your case type. It would be a poor idea when designing something for the repair depot to assume that Jasper will be as reliable or more reliable than Falcon when Jasper has no history behind it.

Being that Falcon has been MUCH more reliable than the original design based on the very few reports of issues, I see no reason to not buy one. Also, there is no guarantee that Jasper will be more reliable, it may be less reliable for all we know. Jasper is designed to reduce cost over Falcon, so they may skimp on the GPU heatsink due to lower heat output of 65nm... I bet it won't have the heat pipe that the Falcons do, just like the heat pipe was removed from the 360's CPU heatsink when it went to 65nm.

In other words, Falcon has pretty much proved itself as reliable as any game console is and Jasper has proved nothing because its not even out yet. If you don't mind waiting another 6 months to see how reliable Jasper is over time before buying a 360, fine, but if you want a 360 this year I think Falcon is a good choice due to its reliable track record. And again, this is not rocket science, it is simple HSF design. Give the chips adequate cooling and the problems all related to heat disappear. Give them poor cooling and they will cook themselves or their surrounding components as happened with 2005/2006/early 2007 XBOX 360s.


Re: 60GB Jasper, as I expected it appears the first ones are Falcons (which again, is great in my book). In the past hard drive changes never corresponded to chipset changes with 360. There probably won't be a lot of Jaspers in the pipe until Novemberish.

[Deliverance1991]

I never really thought about it that way Ruined! Your point has basically totally changed my stance on waiting for the jasper mobos. I was waiting for the 60gb xbox but since a recent you tube video suggested it was just a falcon I was really really bummed. (It still had the 175 watt PSU as the Falcon did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibw7o8BOY8E) Like you said though, who says the Jasper will be more reliable then the Falcon?? In my opinion the Jasper was not designed to be more reliable... but rather to cut manufacturing costs. So your statement on how they might skimp out on the heat sinks and the cooling on the jasper model is very possible.

My question for you is, Do you have a falcon xbox 360 and your just trying to make yourself feel better knowing a possibly better and more reliable xbox 360 is coming? That is a dumb question I know, but I felt like asking it anyway. :D Also, in your opinion should I just go out and buy a 60 gb version as soon as one is available or should I wait a week or two?

[eastx]

The Jasper IS going to use less power, and it will potentially be quieter as well, depending on the heat sink solutions, dontcha think?

[Deliverance1991]

True, it will use less power. As for it being quieter, I doubt it. Unless they put a new DVD drive in because that is what generates the most noise.

[dmaul1114]

The fan is pretty noisy on my 360 as well. Mine's not a falcon though, just the older one but with the added heat sink.

[Ruined]

My question for you is, Do you have a falcon xbox 360 and your just trying to make yourself feel better knowing a possibly better and more reliable xbox 360 is coming? That is a dumb question I know, but I felt like asking it anyway. :D Also, in your opinion should I just go out and buy a 60 gb version as soon as one is available or should I wait a week or two?

I've owned both the original 360 (traded in) and the Falcon 360. I had the same decision to make myself around 3 weeks ago, and what I am posting is the result of my thought process; I already had a 360 so I was not pressed into needing another one. My comments are just made based on observations, common sense, and general knowledge of computer components - I concluded there was no point to waiting for something else that may or may not get the job done better when the current product delivers what I wanted (reliable 360 w/ HDMI). Even though the GPU is guaranteed to generate less heat in Jasper, that does not mean Jasper will be more reliable - only that you need a less expensive HSF to get the cooling job done. If you want to know for sure, though, you are going to have to wait a lot longer than a week. First you have to wait probably a couple of months before Jasper is even out, then you have to wait a couple more months for it to be tested; realistically your wait is 6 months to see if Jasper is any more reliable. Even then you might wait all that time, buy one, and have the DVD drive fail or the like. And, the idea that MS designed a whole new motherboard around Falcon for non-HDMI repairs indicates to me that MS has faith in the design; if they didn't, they'd keep status quo until Jasper or whatever they did have faith in was available. GPU heat that was not effectively dealt with was the issue with original 360s (resulting in all sorts of motherboard & GPU problems), and that was addressed with the Falcon design with the much-improved GPU heatsink & heatpipe - isn't much more to it than that.

As someone commented one realistic improvement with Jasper may be that the fan is quieter, however on the other hand the thing that makes the most noise on my Falcon is by far the DVD drive. On XBOX Live Arcade games the fan is not loud. The fan on the Falcon is significantly quieter than the one in launch XBOXes. Jasper may be even quieter yet, but it depends how much that is worth to you if it is worth waiting.

Regarding power, while Jasper will use less power, Falcon only uses a 175watt power supply and the original XBOX used only 203watts. Neither one is much in the PC world where 350wpc is pretty much the base standard for PSUs. The real issue with the original XBOX was heat, which was not effectively removed from the GPU and hence would damage the GPU, motherboard, GPU>mobo solder, or some combination of the 3. Falcon gets most of the heat away from the GPU and all is good.

If you are really concerned about reliability buy the MS extended warranty; their repair center is actually turning out quality these days. Also remember that all the Jasper chipsets in the world can't save other common things that can go wrong with the console such as the DVD drive flaking out :)

[Monsta Mack]

So maybe, your saying, I should consider trading in my console for a Falcon Pro or Arcade.
Not sure how much that would trade in for, but I've considered it after getting my repaired console back. That way I would only be short $150 or so versus $280.
BTW. I already have the 360 HDMI conversion kit from Mad Catz and it works great, so I'm not overly concerned about HDMI, just relability for the next three years before MS puts out It's next console.

[Chase]

It has been reported that after playing around for a few hours the Jasper board acts up and makes a "paddling" sound.


http://content.ytmnd.com/content/d/e/4/de49adfbd82cf3544b3e7c89a2550f86.jpg

Just kidding. plz dun kil mi :-#

[Allnatural]

fwiw, here (http://benheck.com/01-30-2008/testing-a-new-65nm-xbox-360-in-a-laptop-configuration) is what Ben Heck found when testing the temp of a Falcon board. The cpu is much cooler, but the gpu is just as hot as before, using the same, redesigned heatsink (original, non-heatpipe sink may have been even hotter).

[Deliverance1991]

Well, my plan is to buy the 60 gb, regardless of Jasper or not, and buy the 2 yr replacement plan from Best Buy. Once the new Slimline xbox 360's come out my xbox will miraculously get the dreaded RROD! (wink wink) Sound like a good plan? lol

[Ruined]

fwiw, here (http://benheck.com/01-30-2008/testing-a-new-65nm-xbox-360-in-a-laptop-configuration) is what Ben Heck found when testing the temp of a Falcon board. The cpu is much cooler, but the gpu is just as hot as before, using the same, redesigned heatsink (original, non-heatpipe sink may have been even hotter).

Not a scientific way to measure how hot the GPU gets for two reasons:

#1 It doesn't matter how hot the heatsink gets, it matters how hot the chip under the heatsink is.

#2 The cover is off and hence the suction effect of the fans that moves hot air away from the heatsink is reduced or eliminated. Hence the heatsink gets much hotter than it would under normal use.

The only way to truly measure how hot the GPU gets is through its own thermal monitoring using software that only Microsoft would have access to.

[keithp]

Not a scientific way to measure how hot the GPU gets for two reasons:

#1 It doesn't matter how hot the heatsink gets, it matters how hot the chip under the heatsink is.

#2 The cover is off and hence the suction effect of the fans that moves hot air away from the heatsink is reduced or eliminated. Hence the heatsink gets much hotter than it would under normal use.

The only way to truly measure how hot the GPU gets is through its own thermal monitoring using software that only Microsoft would have access to.

On an absolute basis? Definitely not. But as long as the test is done under the same measuring criteria you can get a relative idea how much the cooling differs, which is all that matters really.

And if you really don't think Microssoft designed Jasper to be more reliable than Falcons you're crazy. Their main focus is cost-cutting, sure, but they are well aware that any reduction in cost-savings is pointless if Jasper starts having problems like the previous versions. They've taken an enormous hit by having to extend the warrany to 3 years, and I don't think they will design Jasper to be anything less than MORE reliable than earlier versions. Falcons have RROD and other problems too, maybe not nearly as bad as the first-gen 360s, but they're still there.

[martin.flory]

http://benheck.com/08-06-2008/inside-a-60-gig-xbox-360#more-422
And here's the answer... its almost the same as before, no 65nm GPU.
:(
Still, should be ok.

[Monsta Mack]

Yeah this can be locked now. Maybe down the road we'll see our Jasper, but not in August.

[keithp]

Yeah this can be locked now. Maybe down the road we'll see our Jasper, but not in August.

Why? Thread should stay alive at least until it's confirmed that 60 Gb does in fact = Jasper. I expect it to roughly coincide with the price drop in September. It's also interesting to see the redesign of the memory chips, which should further eliminate some problems.

[Knoxximus]

According to these guys.....YES!:bouncy:

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/digitaljoystick/archives/147899.asp

Start at the 4th post from the bottom....post #176542

Good News!!! I found out and confirmed that the Jasper motherboard has a manufacturing date after August 20th. If you had an xbox before you'll hear the difference from the dvd drive its much quieter. And most important of all the power brick is 150W!!!! Got mine yesterday as I waited a few days after the low price deal and one of my friends who works at EB Games got me my xbox from the lastest batch of inventory that they recieved. Its good to have friends in such places. Unfortunately, in the long run PS3 will prevail as the games are so huge!

[underliness]

Eh.. hardly credible. The august 20th date has been known for many months now. Some unregistered users talking about it on some random blog doesn't do much for me. While it is sure possible, I will believe it when someone cracks open their case and posts some pics rather then some guy reading his power cord and bragging about his friend at GS.

[Knoxximus]

Eh.. hardly credible. The august 20th date has been known for many months now. Some unregistered users talking about it on some random blog doesn't do much for me. While it is sure possible, I will believe it when someone cracks open their case and posts some pics rather then some guy reading his power cord and bragging about his friend at GS.

....ok.:cry:

[underliness]

Heh, didn't mean to get you down. They are probably being distributed by now or are close to. The Jasper chip date news was broke back in early May on many sites which you can check with a quick google. A lower power unit could be the Jasper or a few other things. Assuming he is telling the truth. Some pictures would really be nice though.

[Knoxximus]

Heh, didn't mean to get you down. They are probably being distributed by now or are close to. The Jasper chip date news was broke back in early May on many sites which you can check with a quick google. A lower power unit could be the Jasper or a few other things. Assuming he is telling the truth. Some pictures would really be nice though.

Agreed. It's just that I'm going on my 4th case of RRODham and I refuse to get another luck of the draw refurb. I've been without my precious now for almost 4 months now and it is really starting to HURT. So, since I'm already so close to the Jasper mobo, I scan the webs everyday, looking for SOME sort of confirmation.

I'm ready to hit Best Buy and hit the 360 section like I'm looking for the milk carton with the furthest date!!:lol:

[Allnatural]

Fuck Jasper, give me Valhalla...

Anyway, I'll wait for Ben Heck to "confirm" it's release. I'm sure he's chomping at the bit to rip one open.

[Bezerker]

So which chipset uses the 125 watt power supply? Bought a 60gb yesterday (mfd July 08) and it has a 125 watt power supply.

[bubbafett4hire]

with 2 other motherboard versions in the works for the 360 i doubt wee will ever see a true %100 percent solution to the rrod issue until Microsoft does some serious rework to there system in terms of design and hardware

Ben Heck is great does wonderful things for the mod community but my moneys on Xbox-Scene posting first

[underliness]

Agreed. It's just that I'm going on my 4th case of RRODham and I refuse to get another luck of the draw refurb. I've been without my precious now for almost 4 months now and it is really starting to HURT. So, since I'm already so close to the Jasper mobo, I scan the webs everyday, looking for SOME sort of confirmation.

I'm ready to hit Best Buy and hit the 360 section like I'm looking for the milk carton with the furthest date!!:lol:

I'm with ya man. Only my dvd drive broke instead. MS wanted 100 or 150$ for repair because it was out of warranty (launch console) and was not RROD. So I said F that and just figured I would keep it for XBLA which I had a decent library, and some good games were on the horizon (Braid Castle Crashers ect). Then I got the E74 error on startup :bomb:. I checked online and called MAX a few times looking for a solution, trying many things including trying my friends av cables and power cords (E74 is supposedly a power error).

So I just sold the console for 80$ because it was a launch with 2 problems, and even when it did work it ran like an airplane with about the same heat output. I needed a unit with HDMI output anyways for my new tv. I still have my HDD with my gamertag and all my content for someday when Xbox hits the right price/reliabilty point. Was thinking about the 199 Arcade, but after the debacle of trying to get my credit info removed (a horror story in itself) so I would not be charged for another year of live with no console, I don't think I will even be doing that.

Just waiting for my roomate to buy one now (who is waiting for the new Jasper chip) so I can plug my HDD, hopefuly resume play, and burn up the rest of my XBL points on Braid and Castle Crashers.

[Viva Las Vegas]

The excitement over the new revisions after all the continued problems cracks me up. I'm on #4. Sure I hope MS gets it right one of these days, but man people sure want to believe in each rendition.

[keithp]

So which chipset uses the 125 watt power supply? Bought a 60gb yesterday (mfd July 08) and it has a 125 watt power supply.

Sure it's not 145? One of the posters on the site OP linked got a 145-watt brick. And I don't know what everyone's poo-poo'ing this about, I can take this as pretty much confirming Jaspers have shipped. Now the only question is how long until I can be reasonably certain of walking into Best Buy and actually eeny-meeeny-miney-mowing out with one?

Thanks Knoxximus for posting this.

[bubbafett4hire]

i have a 360 liunx machine so when i shop for compatible drive so i don;t buy the wrong one i use http://www.360drives.com they also list the board that were in the systems that people list when they open. I start looking on there for a patter just like in know some of the 60gb pre have falcons in them

[docdangerous]

bought mine yesterday, batch 828 and born-on date mid july from walmart with a 175w power brick. They told me they just got a shipment of 6 in yesterday. Its no jasper but I cant complain. So far so good. I dunno if this jasper is worth waiting for. If you figure I there is a 30-60 day lag from factory to store front then we probably wont see one till october or november, and randomly at that.

[pete5883]

This guy is such a liar. He posts that he got a Jasper, then 6 minutes later posts again, using the same style and punctuation, pretending to be someone else who got the Jasper. The posts are almost the same length, even.

Then when people ask for proof, I think it's pretty easy to see that the same person posted this:

"Man people are so skeptical and need proof of everything. I bet you guys would still deny the guys having jaspers even if they sent a pic of the powerbricks by saying its a phony pic edited with photoshop. Get a life guys, just play games and don't worry too much of rrod as look at the bright side you'll have a better xbox xompared to launch date." :rofl:

[Knoxximus]

bought mine yesterday, batch 828 and born-on date mid july from walmart with a 175w power brick. They told me they just got a shipment of 6 in yesterday. Its no jasper but I cant complain. So far so good. I dunno if this jasper is worth waiting for. If you figure I there is a 30-60 day lag from factory to store front then we probably wont see one till october or november, and randomly at that.

From what I understand, we're looking for the last 5 digits of the serial number to be 83322 or greater:

8= Year
33= Week of the year
22= Lot number (not so important)

[Gamenads]

Is the 60gb pro version which is currently out the jasper model?

[Derrick1979]

My 360 if MFG May/08 and has the 175w brick so that means it is the Falcon chipset correct?

[Casiotech]

If I bought an arcade system today, what chipset would I get?

why wait for the valhalla? What is the benefit?

[Knoxximus]

My 360 if MFG May/08 and has the 175w brick so that means it is the Falcon chipset correct?

Yep. Most you might have gotten by way of improvement would be the removal of the memchips from the bottom of the mobo, which means the capacity of the chips on the top of the mobo have been doubled. Supposedly this eliminates the heat problem that was warping x-clamps, or something like that.

[Knoxximus]

If I bought an arcade system today, what chipset would I get?

why wait for the valhalla? What is the benefit?

Prolly most likely a Falcon.

Only the extra picky will wait for Vahalla, as it combines both CPU and GPU into one "Superchip", which will most likely introduce a new, slimline form factor. Jasper should be enough for me, as it will theoretically fix that last piece of the overheating puzzle: The 90nm GPU.

[Derrick1979]

Yep. Most you might have gotten by way of improvement would be the removal of the memchips from the bottom of the mobo, which means the capacity of the chips on the top of the mobo have been doubled. Supposedly this eliminates the heat problem that was warping x-clamps, or something like that.


Thanks for the reply, I did notice right away that it does run a lot cooler then my original 360 and I can no longer cook frozen pizza's off the heat of the power brick.. :lol:

[bubbafett4hire]

Prolly most likely a Falcon.

Only the extra picky will wait for Vahalla, as it combines both CPU and GPU into one "Superchip", which will most likely introduce a new, slimline form factor. Jasper should be enough for me, as it will theoretically fix that last piece of the overheating puzzle: The 90nm GPU.

if MS left more then just a 1/8 of a inch between the GPU and the DVD-rom drive many of the heat issues may have never happened.

[pete5883]

Not yet.

[keithp]

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196483

[Danil ACE]

I don't see why people are so obsessed with the latest 360 revisions. The falcons have a very low fail rate...what more do you want?

[pete5883]

I don't see why people are so obsessed with the latest 360 revisions. The falcons have a very low fail rate...what more do you want?
Not many really believe that falcons have a very low fail rate. There have still been plenty of falcon RROD stories. Plenty is still too many. GPU heat is a known issue, and Jasper will reduce this.

[liza2]

Since searching for "Jasper" in CAG just brings up tons of "Is it a Jasper?" questions, please only post Jasper sighting news, photos, or info here.

[cochesecochese]

There are no words... (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192089)

[liza2]

Thank you. Sorry I did not know that existed, have not been able to log on a lot since most game sites have been blocked at work.

Again, I'm sorry.

[Gamenads]

Wasn't Jasper supposed to be released by now? How come they are not on the shelves.

[cochesecochese]

Please post chipset speculation in the General Information thread. (http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192089) Thank you.

[liza2]

The price drop was not a reflection of the release of the Jasper. Also think of how many units of the current chipset are still sitting in the warehouses of stores.

[Knoxximus]

Wasn't Jasper supposed to be released by now? How come they are not on the shelves.

It will take time for the uneducated masses to purchase all of the current inventory that is on store shelves. It's kinda how the grocery stores put the milk that will expire 1st in the front row, and the milk that will last longer in the back.

It's up to you to start digging around in the back to get a fresh carton.;)

According to the rumored release schedule, the serial number you want is (last 5 of the serial) 833xx or better.

8 = Year of manufacture
33 = Week of that year
xx = lot number (not really important)

I would say pick up an 834 or better just to make sure. And like I said, it's gonna take the retail channels awhile to shift inventory. I'd say around Christmas time it should be RAINING Jaspers at the rate the average consumer should be buying Christmas gifts.

The most recent serial number I've seen so far is 829xx, so it's coming, people. Just wait for it. :)

[keithp]

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/digitaljoystick/archives/147899.asp

FYI, I saw an 830xx Arcade at Gamestop in Ohio on 9/14/08. It looks like we are still a few weeks away from seeing a Jasper. Hopefully the price cut last week will help move out the old Falcons.

Getting closer...

[hubbabubbaaa]

I just recieved a mail order 360 pro from HMV in the UK (17th Sept 08)

The manufacture date of this one is MARCH 08 .... 6 months old

[Ruined]

Not many really believe that falcons have a very low fail rate. There have still been plenty of falcon RROD stories. Plenty is still too many. GPU heat is a known issue, and Jasper will reduce this.

lol, don't worry there will still be plenty of people claiming they are getting RROD with Jasper for two reasons.

1) No console is free of defect, regardless of how good the design is.
2) PS3/Wii children with too much time on their hands.

If reliability is your primary concern, Falcon is proven as reliable console as any other console ever made. The main improvement Jasper brings is that the lower heat of the GPU allows Microsoft to switch back from the $5 heatsink/heatpipe they added with the Falcon GPU (to bring RROD to acceptable levels) to a heatsink similar to the 50-cent heatsink that was used with launch consoles. They pass that savings on in the form of the current $50 pricedrop we are seeing. Jasper's system fans may be a bit quieter, but their smaller size will prevent them from being completely quiet; the 360's DVD drive also needs to keep spinning at 12x assuming you arent copying games to the HD - and that will remain the noisiest part of the system.

I think people are getting a little hyped up over what will be minimal real world improvement. If you can get a Falcon cheap (i.e. Amazon has Falcon Elites for $399 + $60 GC), I say go for it, rather than spending extra for Jasper.

[foxdvd]

Well seeing that the Jasper unit puts out half the heat there is no doubt they did something right. As an owner of a Falcon unit that RROD just 3 weeks ago, I would have loved to get the new Jasper unit (got another Falcon just yesterday)...but seeing that I still have 2 years 3 months left on my RROD warranty, I should be ok..

[raybert]

lol, don't worry there will still be plenty of people claiming they are getting RROD with Jasper for two reasons.

1) No console is free of defect, regardless of how good the design is.
2) PS3/Wii children with too much time on their hands.

If reliability is your primary concern, Falcon is proven as reliable console as any other console ever made. The main improvement Jasper brings is that the lower heat of the GPU allows Microsoft to switch back from the $5 heatsink/heatpipe they added with the Falcon GPU (to bring RROD to acceptable levels) to a heatsink similar to the 50-cent heatsink that was used with launch consoles. They pass that savings on in the form of the current $50 pricedrop we are seeing. Jasper's system fans may be a bit quieter, but their smaller size will prevent them from being completely quiet; the 360's DVD drive also needs to keep spinning at 12x assuming you arent copying games to the HD - and that will remain the noisiest part of the system.

I think people are getting a little hyped up over what will be minimal real world improvement. If you can get a Falcon cheap (i.e. Amazon has Falcon Elites for $399 + $60 GC), I say go for it, rather than spending extra for Jasper.

Are they really switching from a $5 heatsink to 50cent one in the Jasper? That sux. Where did you hear that from?

[Monsta Mack]

similar to the 50-cent heatsink that was used with launch consoles.


Link/wtf? Why would MS risk a $4.50 savings per console over having someone send their 360 back to MS and have them cost more? Doesn't make sense to me.

[Ruined]

Are they really switching from a $5 heatsink to 50cent one in the Jasper? That sux. Where did you hear that from?

Link/wtf? Why would MS risk a $4.50 savings per console over having someone send their 360 back to MS and have them cost more? Doesn't make sense to me.



When MS switched from the launch 90nm IBM CPU to the Falcon 65nm IBM CPU in the 360, they swapped out the expensive heatsink/heatpipe in the launch consoles to the much cheaper heatsink in the Falcon consoles; do some googling and you will see in images that the launch consoles had a much more expensive CPU heatsink than the Falcon consoles on the CPU. OTOH, Falcon uses a better heatpipe heatsink on the GPU while the launch consoles do not. MS could have avoided RROD entirely if the Falcon GPU heatsink was used instead of the tiny one you see in the launch console, in addition to the cpu heatpipe heatsink.

Since the GPU generates less heat with Jasper, they can similarly switch to a cheaper heatsink and shouldn't have to worry about RROD incidents rising. Part of the reason why we didn't see a big pricedrop when Falcon was introduced was because though they used a cheaper CPU heatsink they swapped out the cheaper GPU heatsink for a more expensive one. That is a big part of how 65nm reduces the cost of the system, the heatsinks don't have to be as costly anymore since less heat needs to be removed.

[BoneMonkey80]

Any pictures of the jasper chip?

[Z_meista]

I was hoping the new 60 GB models would have the Jasper chipset. That's why I'm still hesitant on buying a XBox360.

[bubbafett4hire]

if you want a Jasper that bad wait till after the Xmas season so all the stores will have a fresh stock. I am waiting till about tax time to grab my new one

[Monsta Mack]

Heed the 360 console guru. My knowledge wise, and yours is not.

I understand all what you read and thanks for the valuable input. However, It's still disheartening that MS wouldn't put more money into RROD prevention with the Jaspers even at the lower heat output, because even Falcon's still RROD.

[Monsta Mack]

The other place I frequent has a posting about Jasper's using 150w power supplies.

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=43216

[MaxGoof]

While at Target today, I saw a new shipment of 360's from Lot #0832. I thought that the lot number referred to the date they were produced (ie 0830 = August 30th), but obviously there is no August 32nd. I also remember hearing that anything beyond #0831 might be the Jasper. Can anyone clarify this for me?

[Wolve11]

the production date is clearly on the 360 which you can access through the box's flap....

[keithp]

No that's not Jasper. Lot 0835 is the latest that has been spotted and THAT'S not Jasper either. The last two digits refers to the week, ie, the 32nd week of the year.

[cag1125]

How will we know if it's a Jasper? I was at Costco the other day and they had lot #0836. It's the holiday bundle with Kung Fu Panda and Lego Indy.

[dabebop]

How will we know if it's a Jasper? I was at Costco the other day and they had lot #0836. It's the holiday bundle with Kung Fu Panda and Lego Indy.

Until there is more noise about it on the internets. As far as I have seen that's pretty much the latest lot # from you. All around I keep seeing 832 at least.

[ComfortablySad]

I'm convinced that Microsoft has a stockpile of Falcon boards to use up and that we won't see a Jasper till after the holidays. I don't think I can wait that long with all the games coming out in the next few weeks. :(

Like cag1125 I've seen some lot #0836s at a few local stores. If I don't find a crazy new 360 in the next few days, like manufactured in October new, I'm going to buy one of the #0836 bundles on the 28th for Fallout 3.

I'm pretty good with electronics so I'll crack it open when I get it to confirm the chipset.

[xtreme_Zr2]

I'm convinced that Microsoft has a stockpile of Falcon boards to use up and that we won't see a Jasper till after the holidays. I don't think I can wait that long with all the games coming out in the next few weeks. :(


You may be right, I can remember getting mine last Christmas and reading/hearing a lot of talk about people taking their consoles back that were purchased and still unopened for the new falcon boards. Additionally, they also come out with the holiday bundles right after Black Friday further encouraging the returns.

[bubbafett4hire]

Confirmed Jasper chipsets
http://www.360drives.com/list?v_board=5

[Guerrilla]

Confirmed Jasper chipsets
http://www.360drives.com/list?v_board=5
Not entirely confirmed, but helpful at least.

[keithp]

Confirmed Jasper chipsets
http://www.360drives.com/list?v_board=5

Actually those aren't confirmed at all. Not unless there's a picture somewhere with them, which I didn't see. Other people have reported those same manufacturing dates as Falcons, so I wouldn't trust anything someone posts unless there's pictures.

[bubbafett4hire]

Actually those aren't confirmed at all. Not unless there's a picture somewhere with them, which I didn't see. Other people have reported those same manufacturing dates as Falcons, so I wouldn't trust anything someone posts unless there's pictures.

True no pics but that's one of those sites that 360 modders use to keep track of what drives are found in the systems and due a good job of trying to track their findings as far as hardware goes. I hate to sound kinda of like a dick but if you want a %100 chance of getting your hands on a Jasper the modders are the places to look at as their the one of the first ones to tear down a system just to see the inside and post specific findings such as manufacturing dates other revisions. Places like IGN and the fan boy sites and others due post findings and photos but only after the hacker community has done it first.

" I can always stick my head up a bulls ass to see if is a good steak or not ,but I'd rather take the butchers word for it."

[keithp]

True no pics but that's one of those sites that 360 modders use to keep track of what drives are found in the systems and due a good job of trying to track their findings as far as hardware goes. I hate to sound kinda of like a dick but if you want a %100 chance of getting your hands on a Jasper the modders are the places to look at as their the one of the first ones to tear down a system just to see the inside and post specific findings such as manufacturing dates other revisions. Places like IGN and the fan boy sites and others due post findings and photos but only after the hacker community has done it first.

" I can always stick my head up a bulls ass to see if is a good steak or not ,but I'd rather take the butchers word for it."

Believe what you want but here's (http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/digitaljoystick/archives/147899.asp?page=1#comments)14 pages of the best thread on Jasper hunting on the web and no one has found one yet. Furthermore there are people using Kill-a-Watts to measure the power consumption of different manufacturing runs, and every single one (INCLUDING those posted on your "modders" site, I may add) have the same power profile of Falcons, NOT Jaspers. So I don't know about you, but I'd rather take hard evidence like power consumption numbers over some modders posting from a drop-down that has a choice for "Jasper"...I'm not trying to be a dick either but I'm just sayin'.....believe what you want...

[bubbafett4hire]

Believe what you want but here's (http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/digitaljoystick/archives/147899.asp?page=1#comments)14 pages of the best thread on Jasper hunting on the web and no one has found one yet. Furthermore there are people using Kill-a-Watts to measure the power consumption of different manufacturing runs, and every single one (INCLUDING those posted on your "modders" site, I may add) have the same power profile of Falcons, NOT Jaspers. So I don't know about you, but I'd rather take hard evidence like power consumption numbers over some modders posting from a drop-down that has a choice for "Jasper"...I'm not trying to be a dick either but I'm just sayin'.....believe what you want...
Yes and very good site but for that matter so is Hack a Day (http://hackaday.com/),XboxHacker (http://www.xboxhacker.net/),The Official Site of Benjamin J Heckendorn (http://benheck.com/), who do the same power reading and such as you listed, just as Xbox hacker was one of the first ones to fully explore the finer details the main board for Linux reasons which i know their as eager as the gamers are to see what has been changed around that has not been in mass media.

[bubbafett4hire]

AnadTech has done a very nice article into Jasper hunting

http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3440

Just to be totally clear here, forget the PSU power rating - it can be 175W/14.2A and still be Jasper. The only way the PSU will be an indicator is if you have a 150W/12.1A PSU - that would definitely indicate Jasper. The same goes for the current rating on the console itself - forget it! While 12.1A would definitely be Jasper, 14.2A may be Falcon or Jasper. Current rating on the PSU is completely irrelevant and will be 14.2A on all 175W PSUs, regardless of what is labeled on the console and regardless of what is inside the console.

[keithp]

AnadTech has done a very nice article into Jasper hunting

http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3440

LOL..Actually that article and the previous one was written by the main poster on the thread I linked to. I told ya it was the best thread on the internet for Jasper hunting! ;)

[bubbafett4hire]

I never said it wasn't... was just posting the other as the same i do read the whole thing before i post. The whole point of the modder thing was like i said they have the same if not more to gain/lose as the rest of us do

[cag1125]

FWIW, I saw Elite Holiday Bundles (with the KFP and LIJ games) at Target in Cerritos, CA. Team FDOU, lot 0837. Would it be safe to say that Elites will have the Jasper MB's first before the Pro's?

Just curious. Thanks.

[dandragonrage]

FWIW, I saw Elite Holiday Bundles (with the KFP and LIJ games) at Target in Cerritos, CA. Team FDOU, lot 0837. Would it be safe to say that Elites will have the Jasper MB's first before the Pro's?.

Doubt it. Probably depends on inventory levels.

[keithp]

What looks to be a confirmation of a Jasper here, with pics--I got a Jasper Baby! (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=668038)

[pete5883]

Pics of the inside of a Jasper. (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=668104&st=0&gopid=4384272&#entry4384272)

This (huge) image will probably go down soon, but:
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/6c3f98b6.jpg

[keithp]

It's confirmed!! From discussion at xbox-scene.com--

the GPU chip itself is 35mm x 35mm

CPU is 28.9mm x 28.9mm

larger die on the GPU is approx 10.82mm x 10.82mm

smaller die is approx 8.19mm x 8.19mm

and this is what you're looking for-
12.1A anywhere on the box confirms a Jasper console. If Amperage information isn't on the box, look at the power brick. 150W, 12.1A is what you're looking for. The only lot that you find this on (so far) is 0843X FDOU

[Danil ACE]

At least give credit to your source [xboxscene].

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/th_8acf384d.jpg (http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/8acf384d.jpg)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/th_9345fd8f.jpg (http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/9345fd8f.jpg)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/th_6c3f98b6.jpg (http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/6c3f98b6.jpg)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/th_bc096668.jpg (http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/bc096668.jpg)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/th_6820e026.jpg (http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/6820e026.jpg)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/th_f3c460fe.jpg (http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/f3c460fe.jpg)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/th_56dff74a.jpg (http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/56dff74a.jpg)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/th_dd3df355.jpg (http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/dd3df355.jpg)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/th_3029fbd4.jpg (http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/3029fbd4.jpg)

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/th_cdb630e1.jpg (http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h240/Moddage/cdb630e1.jpg)

I have more pics coming at a slightly later time.. i put my Vernier Calipers on both chips and right on the dies of the GPU.. but sadly, i'm an idiot and saved them to my cameras (http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=668104#) internal memory and realized soon after my cord is MIA at the moment.. so now comes the hunt for that.. yay..


While i'm looking for the cord..

the GPU chip itself is 35mm x 35mm

CPU is 28.9mm x 28.9mm

larger die on the GPU is approx 10.82mm x 10.82mm

smaller die is approx 8.19mm x 8.19mm

i say approx because there may be thermal compound interfering with a precise measurement .. so could be smaller actually..

the overall chip sizes are dead accurate though http://images.xbox-scene.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif


Thanks for looking..

and i'll get those other requests up shortly here too

[Jake77444]

How long until we will see these in mos stores? No correct answer on this ovbiously but lets just base it on past data(release of falcons, ect)....How long do you think it will before we can walk into GameStop and have a good chance of finding a Jasper? Weeks? Months? How long did falcons take from first sighting to being common.

[evyrew]

How long until we will see these in mos[t] stores? ...

When I was a my local Bestbuy a few days ago, i saw several 0841X systems mixed in with some older stock (0821X). My guess is that we will start seeing jaspers consistently once the current stocks clear out. If the sales continue to do well, we may see them widespread right in time for Christmas. *fingers crossed*

[Jake77444]

When I was a my local Bestbuy a few days ago, i saw several 0841X systems mixed in with some older stock (0821X). My guess is that we will start seeing jaspers consistently once the current stocks clear out. If the sales continue to do well, we may see them widespread right in time for Christmas. *fingers crossed*
I hope your right. I don't know if I can hold out though, I just traded in my xbox 360 tuesday to GameStop. Now lets see if I can wait it out to get a jasper.

[Jake77444]

Lot Number beginning with 0843 or later = JASPER

08 is the year

43 is the week of the year there are only 52 weeks in a year.

65nm CPU and 65nm GPU (65nm is the big deal about JASPER)

some other random improvements better cooling should make it great.

There have been some 0844's so far that have been falcons though so who knows, its kind of a crapshoot at this point. Only ARCADES have been spotted with jaspers so far.

[Goodeye]

Yeah looks like I am on Jasper just picked up an arcade (traded in core for it) the power plug, and brick and manufacture date all match up. Plus jasper systmes are supposed to have a new 256 flash memory built in, this would easily allow NXE out of the box which my box had. (it was never used I still had to choose my initial set up prefrences and watch that stupid HD movie)

[ninja dog]

150 watts? Isn't falcon 125? also, any difference in noise?

[pete5883]

150 watts? Isn't falcon 125? also, any difference in noise?
Falcon is 175.

the Biggest news of ALL

Is that smart people on Xbox-scence etc NEOGAF have spotted

65nm Aracdes which are JASPERS BUT But....listen carefully they have 256MB on Board Flash memory and come with the NXE

PRE-INSTALLED !!!!!!!!!! Yes NXE Pre-Installed!!!!

OMG!
OMG!

Tommorrow I am trading in my 360 to Gamestop for $120 (we get to keep the Hard drive)

And Buying the JASPER Arcde model.
The one Xbox-scener who said NXE was pre-installed was wrong. Turns out he popped on his old HD, which had NXE on it.

[Goodeye]

I know my box is so quiet no noise at all when playing installed games. Halo 3 is not installed I played it last night and it was no where near the noise of any other 360 I have heard it was pretty quiet too.

[eminemobied12]

damn i just purchased an elite from amazon too... would have loved a jasper

[seanr1221]

The xbox I'll be getting for Christmas is 10/06/08....0841x...so I'm guessing this is a falcon?

[Jake77444]

Week 1 Day 1 Jasper are 10-23-08 Arcade model

Anything Arcade that is 0843X, Manf Date 10-23-08 TEAM FDOU or later then you have a jasper. You can confirm this like said in previous posts by 150w, 12.1a PS or console.


I purchased a Manf date 10-22-08 Lot 0843X TEAM FDOU Arcade model and it is a falcon. Looks like the first day of jasper production was 10-23-08

[pete5883]

Does no one remember anything from the release of the Falcon? When the first Falcon was found, not every unit released afterward was also a Falcon. They don't switch the entirety of all their factories over to new hardware in 1 day, it was a gradual process. If the introduction of the Falcon is anything to go by, not every unit after 0843X will be a Jasper.

Also, the first Falcons to come out still had old power supplies packaged with them. So just because you have a Falcon power supply doesn't mean you don't have a Jasper.

[62t]

dont worry we will start all over with the valhalla next year

[erehwon]

I picked up one of those arcade bundles from walmart with guitar hero today. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it is a jasper. It's going back tomorrow. I want to have the newer version and should just wait a little longer.

[Dante Devil]

I picked up a a model 0841. Two weeks shy of Jasper manufacture date. Should I take it back and wait for a jasper to come in?

[paz9x]

so i bought a 20gb about 9 months ago.
just bought an elite and it is WAY more quiet than the 20gb
both had a 175w ps.
the elite is far far cooler as well.

[seanr1221]

I picked up one of those arcade bundles from walmart with guitar hero today. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it is a jasper. It's going back tomorrow. I want to have the newer version and should just wait a little longer.

I picked up a a model 0841. Two weeks shy of Jasper manufacture date. Should I take it back and wait for a jasper to come in?

In similar positions as both you guys...eh...the way I see it, a Walmart warranty is 20.00 for 2 years. You can't beat that. I think I might just stick with a warranty + falcon.

[screwkick]

Got a 60gb last night. Lot number 842x, manufactured date, 10-18-08. A jasper maybe?

[scientificlee]

Got a 60gb last night. Lot number 842x, manufactured date, 10-18-08. A jasper maybe?

Online? Where can you find this info?

[erehwon]

Got a 60gb last night. Lot number 842x, manufactured date, 10-18-08. A jasper maybe?

From what I've heard, it needs to be a 843x or later and manufactured after 10-23-08. I'm trying to decide if the falcon I just picked up yesterday day is good enough?

[pete5883]

I picked up a a model 0841. Two weeks shy of Jasper manufacture date. Should I take it back and wait for a jasper to come in?

Got a 60gb last night. Lot number 842x, manufactured date, 10-18-08. A jasper maybe?

Do your power bricks say 150W, or 175W?

[Rodster]

http://www.engadget.com/2008/11/27/apparent-xbox-360-jasper-spotted-in-the-wild/

"We've had some false alarms (http://www.engadget.com/2008/09/29/xbox-360-with-jasper-arrives-on-the-scene-in-all-its-65nm-glory/) in the past, but it looks like the first Jasper (http://www.engadget.com/tag/jasper)-equipped Xbox 360s may now finally be starting to make their way out into the wild. While there unfortunately still aren't any pictures of the motherboard to completely put this thing to rest, everything else certainly seems to be pointing in the right direction, including a 150W power supply (25W less than the current models), a manufacturing date of 2008-10-23, an 0843X lot number, and a power adapter that most definitely won't fit in a Falcon console -- head on past the break for a pic of it. Now, anyone feel like cracking open some cases?

Update: Picture of the guts now posted over at xbox-scene (http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EkkZlFAyyZZXEKjatA.php). Interestingly, it appears that the new mobo brings 256MB onboard flash memory (up from 16MB). Those look like 65-nm process chips to you?"

[pete5883]

A user over at xbox-scene bought an arcade with the same Man. date and lot number as the Jasper, and got a Falcon. So Man. date and lot # are not guarantees of Jasper.

[Jake77444]

A user over at xbox-scene bought an arcade with the same Man. date and lot number as the Jasper, and got a Falcon. So Man. date and lot # are not guarantees of Jasper.
Correct, but following the information i've posted will ensure you have the best chance of getting a jasper, still no guarantee though.

Manf Date: 10-23-08 or later
Team: FDOU
Lot: 0843X or later

[kevlar51]

Yeah, I came home today with a FDOU, Lot 843x Falcon (manuf. 10-23-08). Bummer.

I'll likely return it for a new one as my 30-day window nears its end.

[pete5883]

This pic may be helpful for people figuring out what they have. Compare the power-hole on your system:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/faranheit/Xbox360_Model_Guide.jpg

[kms_md]

the best bet is to look at the power rating through the window where the SN is. 12.1 A should be a jasper. also the sticker should say "Value Bundle E". btw, i found one in lot 0842x. it is apparently hit or miss with lots 0842x and 0843x. anandtech has a nice thread about this here (http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=79&threadid=2249461).

[bubbafett4hire]

crack the thing open and just look at the chip if you really want a 100% pure answer

[iluvmywife]

the best bet is to look at the power rating through the window where the SN is. 12.1 A should be a jasper. also the sticker should say "Value Bundle E". btw, i found one in lot 0842x. it is apparently hit or miss with lots 0842x and 0843x. anandtech has a nice thread about this here (http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=79&threadid=2249461).

Where is the sticker that reads "Value Bundle E"?

[eastx]

I got a Jasper arcade unit from Dell a week or 2 ago. Had the 175 W power supply (darn) but the console is 12.A and has 256 MB on-board memory.

[WhoKnowsWho]

This pic may be helpful for people figuring out what they have. Compare the power-hole on your system:

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/faranheit/Xbox360_Model_Guide.jpg

Lol, power hole... I just replaced my 360 about a month before the first Jasper sighting, ah well. Hopefully this fourth one lasts until the next generation system. At least this new one is a Falcon, my last three were all Xenon boards.

[kevlar51]

I got a Jasper arcade unit from Dell a week or 2 ago. Had the 175 W power supply (darn) but the console is 12.A and has 256 MB on-board memory.

I wouldn't worry about the 175 W power supply. It could be a 10million W power supply and still only use the 150 Watts it needs.

[Telemakhos]

I have an XBOX 360 Elite manufactured on 10-22-2008.

I haven't opened it yet because it arrived in beat-up packaging. Am thinking of trying to get the packaging from a store to keep the console because of its late manufacturing date.

Does being manufactured so late in the year to my benefit? Could it be a Jasper from the date alone?

[captmurphy]

Look at the power brick.

175 watts = Falcon

Something less (I think 150 watts) = Jasper

[slickkill77]

No its probably not a Jasper. You have an Elite just install the games and you wont have to worry about it or use the search butto and look for the Jasper discussion thread

[Telemakhos]

Look at the power brick.

175 watts = Falcon

Something less (I think 150 watts) = Jasper

Can you see the fan wattage without opening the case? Where is it located. I'm tempted to open the package and find out now, but don't want to tamper with the case.

[captmurphy]

I don't think so. The power brick is inside a plastic bag in the box. The power rating information is on the underside of the brick.

By "case," do you mean the cardboard box, or the xbox itself?

[Telemakhos]

I don't think so. The power brick is inside a plastic bag in the box. The power rating information is on the underside of the brick.

By "case," do you mean the cardboard box, or the xbox itself?

The console itself. I don't want to start removing screws and tinkering around in there. If buy.com sees that, it'll jack stuff up.

That said, a system just built in the latter part of October is still pretty current... I may keep it, or take my chances, but I don't want one from the early part of the year.

[captmurphy]

Ok well in that case, the "power brick" I am referring to is the large unit that plugs into the wall and powers your xbox. It is grey and looks like this -

http://xbox360parts.com/images/PowerBrick.jpg

The white sticker that can be seen in this picture is where the wattage information you are looking for is located.

I would highly discourage you from ever opening your actual Xbox. Ever.

[pete5883]

The power brick is a bad indicator since old bricks are packaged with new systems. The power label on the back of the system is better.

[WhoKnowsWho]

See http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3472&p=2 It shows where you can look through the cut out in the box and check out the amperage rating on the system. Not foolproof but pretty close to it without opening up the whole thing. 12V current rating of 12.1 = Jasper.

[rsfcdfg]

No its probably not a Jasper. You have an Elite just install the games and you wont have to worry about it or use the search butto and look for the Jasper discussion thread




:bomb: oh , i think your suggestion is right , and i just now buy the xbox , but i do not know how to use it , so i need the good help , i have tried many times , but i also i do not how to solve it , when i see your suggestion , and i think i will do it better , thank you

[geminas01]

See http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3472&p=2 It shows where you can look through the cut out in the box and check out the amperage rating on the system. Not foolproof but pretty close to it without opening up the whole thing. 12V current rating of 12.1 = Jasper.


The big label through the hole is not completely accurate because I've gotten systems that says 16.5A on one and 14.2A on the other label that is right above the power connector

[buyer76]

Only Jaspers sighted are arcades. The probability of an Elite to be jasper are very very dim.

Two quick ways to confirm are (excerpts from various sites):

1. Power Supply will be 150W and the plug itself is different than the older builds
2. The # of amps used by the 12 volt rail is the key to determining which console version is it. 14.2 is Falcon, 12.1A is Jasper.

Manufacturing Dates are not a good indicator as Falcons are found even after that date referenced by most web sites.

[slickkill77]

:bomb: oh , i think your suggestion is right , and i just now buy the xbox , but i do not know how to use it , so i need the good help , i have tried many times , but i also i do not how to solve it , when i see your suggestion , and i think i will do it better , thank you


?

[mitch079]

?

That's what she said.

[Telemakhos]

Thanks and that's cool. I'll check it out when I get home.

I read somewhere that it's a FIFO thing and that Falcons will be sold off first then replenished with Jaspers.

Are Falcons still stable enough, or is it best to wait till spring to get an Elite Jasper?

[pete5883]

Only Jaspers sighted are arcades. The probability of an Elite to be jasper are very very dim.
No, there've been a few Pro Jaspers.

[Telemakhos]

Okay, opened the box, cuz the sticker wasn't sticking very well, and took out the power brick.

The top of the brick says:

Output DC 175W max

Here's what it says on the lower portion of the brick:

Input: AC 100V 50-60Hz 4.7A
Output: DC 12V 14.2A, 5Vsb 1A

The brick looks like the photo captmurphy uploaded above. Is that an old or new brick?

On the console itself, below the date and to the left, it says:

12V --- 14,2; 5V --- 1A

What I got!?!?

[eastx]

On the console itself, below the date and to the left, it says:

12V --- 14,2; 5V --- 1A

The brick looks like the photo an earlier poster uploaded.

What I got!?!?

That's a Falcon, homeslice.

[Telemakhos]

That's a Falcon, homeslice.

Awwww. The suspense is gone. I guess I can return it now and see what I get in return.

Is the new brick big or small? Everything looks so perfect, but... not a Jasper! :cry:

[eastx]

The new brick is smaller and 150W but remember, many Jaspers still come with the 175W brick, so that's not the best way to tell.

I believe a Jasper will say this on the back of the console: 12V --- 12.1A; 5V --- 1A

[pete5883]

Yeah, the 12V --- 12.1A; 5V --- 1A is what you're looking for. And you don't have to buy it to check this number, you can see it through the window of an Arcade, and with a little box-ripping you can see it through the window of a Pro.

[seanr1221]

I had my gf check the one shes giving me for xmas...all she can see is 1A, 5V --- 1A...so I should be safe.

[coilfinger3]

Sold my old core non-HDMI system for $150 and upgraded to a Jasper HDMI. 1080p looks stunning. Hopefully they've finally fixed the RROD problem with this new chipset.

Power brick is 150w

Manufacture date: 2008-11-07

Hole in box reads: 12V...12,1A; 5V...1A

Team: FDOU

Lot No. 0845X

Outsie of box reads: XGXZ-00019. Xbox Arcade System Value Bundle 2008 E

All signs point to Jasper.

[seanr1221]

Got my jasper today, it's a big improvement from my old system. The power brick is a lot lighter, and the system itself is really quiet.

[iluvmywife]

Do I just take off the hard drive off my current xbox and put it on my new xbox? Is that all it takes to get my new xbox going with all my saved game?

Here is what I got to replace my old non-hdmi unit.

Power brick is 150w

Manufacture date: 2008-10-17

Hole in box reads: 12V...12,1A; 5V...1A

Team: FDOU

Lot No. 0842X

Outsie of box reads: XGX-00019. Xbox Arcade System Value Bundle 2008 E

[eastx]

Yes, that's pretty much it.

[XxSmityxX]

Gonna try and get a jasper tonight at Microcenter. I bought a refurbished arcade unit 5 months ago and now the disc drive tray has been locking up, this is a launch unit with no HDMI.

Called Microcenter and they said they dont have anymore refurbished in stock to replace so they will just give me a gift card instead! (good thing I bought the extended warrenty :) ) Plus I should get a $50 gift card for purchasing an arcade unit per what the sales ad says.

They said they had 10 arcade units in-stock, hopefully not old stock but will see. Wish me luck.

[seanr1221]

If you're STILL unsure about your systems, turn them on.

The built in memory = a jasper.

[ajh2298]

Would it be worth it to buy a newer Jasper 360 if my straight from Microsoft refurb is still going strong and I had it about a year or a little more? The reason I ask is I have a $40.00 off $199.99 purchase coupon for CC and a $64.00 gift card so the upgrade would only be like $100.00. I would keep my older one and use it as my travel unit to take to my mother-in-laws when I visit with my wife.

[XxSmityxX]

Gonna try and get a jasper tonight at Microcenter. I bought a refurbished arcade unit 5 months ago and now the disc drive tray has been locking up, this is a launch unit with no HDMI.

Called Microcenter and they said they dont have anymore refurbished in stock to replace so they will just give me a gift card instead! (good thing I bought the extended warrenty :) ) Plus I should get a $50 gift card for purchasing an arcade unit per what the sales ad says.

They said they had 10 arcade units in-stock, hopefully not old stock but will see. Wish me luck.

JASPER a GO!!!!
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2028/dsc01068ng0.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5683/dsc01069tu9.jpg




FYI: Madison Heights, MI has 9 more Jaspers in stock!!!

[Owen]

Would it be worth it to buy a newer Jasper 360 if my straight from Microsoft refurb is still going strong and I had it about a year or a little more? The reason I ask is I have a $40.00 off $199.99 purchase coupon for CC and a $64.00 gift card so the upgrade would only be like $100.00. I would keep my older one and use it as my travel unit to take to my mother-in-laws when I visit with my wife.

I would wait and see how the Jasper units play out as it is still new and everyone thought the Falcon was going to be the greatest Xbox 360 chipset as well when it was first coming out. If you are looking for a second 360, then you might as well get a Jasper but if it is just to buy one for the Japser chipset, I would wait.

[mjohnson798]

Just ordered one from Dell, I'm hoping for a Jasper!!!!

[slickkill77]

HDD installs = no more having to worry about it anyway

[ajh2298]

I was able to pick up a Jasper unit tonight at my Circuit City I was able to use the $40.00 off coupon with no problems. I also had a sealed copy of GHWT I bought there around the start of November with a Gift Card and was able to return that for the full $60.00 credit, so I walked out paying $107.00 out of pocket, ( and $75.00 of that was from a scratch off lottery tickets I won on yesterday).

The only thing that disturbs me is when the guy rung me up he handed me the first unit on the pile behind the register and while he was ringing me up and already scanned the system we noticed the box had a big dent in the one corner. So he handed me the next unit without scanning it, I ask him if he needed to and he said he didnt have to. I am screwed if anything happens to the one he gave me I looked over the receipt and I dont see any SN# listed so I dont know.

[jello44]

Got my jasper today, it's a big improvement from my old system. The power brick is a lot lighter, and the system itself is really quiet.

Yeah, they really are. I went to pick up a new one to replace my old 360 which had just recently bricked. I debated whether or not to send it back to MS for repair since it was out of warranty. I decided to spend the extra 100 in hopes of getting a Jasper set, and I did. With the Jasper, you can barely hear it running. My older unit, always sounded like a jet engine taking off when I was playing.

[anubis20]

i bought a refurbed 360 on one of those ebay deals things for $99 and it broke within 2 weeks, I exchanged it and now i have a Japer (for $99!!!!) and my friend claims its quieter but i cant tell the difference and the power brick is super light and the cables aren't as thick anymore. Nobody can tell right now what the reliability of the system is because at this point we are all guinea pigs, only time will tell.

[-GoodFella-]

Just ordered one from Dell, I'm hoping for a Jasper!!!!
If you ordered an arcade unit it's pretty much guaranteed to be a jasper.

[johnnyrocker360]

Hmmm i'm not positive but I just bought a elite on friday and the date says 10/2008 and i'm pretty sure it has those numbers on the back so i'm thinking i may have a jasper. which would be really nice cause so far it makes far less noise than my old non-hdmi system and i played in for like 7 hours the day i got it and it never felt hot in the back. mine still makes noise but it sounds nothing like a vaccum like my old one did. with the 120gb hd i'll just download all my games onto it and not hear anything at all.

[aznguyen316]

so do all Jasper arcades have the internal memory now? or is it still a mem card?

[seanr1221]

Internal memory.

[woodcan]

Interesting. I just bought a Pro 60GB Holiday Bundle tonight to replace my dead launch system and it shows the 12V==12,1A on the back. Guess they started making 60GB Jaspers. It has a manufacture date of 11-06-2008.

[Spoon_si]

order an arcade from dell, just yesterday... couldn't resist...

warrenty up on the lanuch system, good thing i sent it in for RROD last month...

Always nice to have a back up, when the lanuch model chokes again..

[Spoon_si]

Got my arcade today... everything is confirmed above to be jasper,

but the power brick rating says: 175W

am I safe?

[kevlar51]

Got my arcade today... everything is confirmed above to be jasper,

but the power brick rating says: 175W

am I safe?

You have internal memory? You're probably fine. The power brick can be more, the unit just won't draw the full 175w. The cable that connects the brick to the 360 is detachable so the 175w bricks can be used w/ 150w 360's despite the new plug in the back.

[Spoon_si]

You have internal memory? You're probably fine. The power brick can be more, the unit just won't draw the full 175w. The cable that connects the brick to the 360 is detachable so the 175w bricks can be used w/ 150w 360's despite the new plug in the back.

yep internal memory

thanks.

[playing mantis]

Got my arcade today... everything is confirmed above to be jasper,

but the power brick rating says: 175W

am I safe?

how much did your shipment weigh? Mine was 13.3 lbs I think. I would prefer to get the 150W power supply, for size and weight reasons.

[aznguyen316]

I got the 150W PS on my jasper yipee, and what is the Li Lian case thingy above?

[foltzie]

Are there any Elite Jaspers out?

[Spoon_si]

how much did your shipment weigh? Mine was 13.3 lbs I think. I would prefer to get the 150W power supply, for size and weight reasons.


My shippment boxes just say 14 lb.

did some research, and many jasper are bein shipping w/ older PSU, because of back stock..

I was afraid of my system bein mislabeled, but to be really sure is by looking where the power supply unit plugs into the system, the jasper has a slit in the middle of the plastic tab.. that is 100% sure. which means new 150W PSU will plug right in, but will not fit any other model 360 units.

check picture


http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/gadgets/microsoft/jasper/identifying.jpg

it would nice to get a 150 PSU, but hell it doesn't matter...

[eastx]

I was afraid of my system bein mislabeled, but to be really sure is by looking where the power supply unit plugs into the system, the jasper has a slit in the middle of the plastic tab.. that is 100% sure. which means new 150W PSU will plug right in, but will not fit any other model 360 units.


Or you could check the for the 12.A like we have already discussed in this thread. It's way faster and easier.

[MtlTom]

A friend of mine just got a 60GB Pro unit to replace his old Pro and it was a jasper.

[fatmanforlife99]

Does anybody know anything about elite jaspers?

[liza2]

Does anybody know anything about elite jaspers?

Start poking around at your local electronic store.

[Wildgift]

my pro, bought last week from CC, is a jasper

[ITDEFX]

Just got my Jasper Arcade on Sunday after using my 2 year warranty plan with Microcenter. So far it seems quiter than my old refurbished/repaired unit I got from MS in April of 2008. It doesn't "CLANK" anymore when booting, but it does state a few seconds before it cycles the rings. The drive is a Toshiba which seems to slowly eject with hestitation.

Had to delete all my installed games from my 120 and reinstall them, but other than that, HDMI :) Guess my plan two years ago worked!

[eastx]

Congrats, ItdefX!

[ITDEFX]

Congrats, ItdefX!


Thanks...but... this more than 10 second delay before doing the ring boot concerns me. Is this "normal" for Jasper boards..perhaps doing pre-boot diagnostics before doing the ring cycle?

[Ruined]

Thanks...but... this more than 10 second delay before doing the ring boot concerns me. Is this "normal" for Jasper boards..perhaps doing pre-boot diagnostics before doing the ring cycle?

If you are using HDMI, it does HDMI handshaking before boot which can take 5-10 sec depending on your components.

[eastx]

Yeah, that HDMI handshaking is a nuisance. Can't be helped.

[Megalith]

Is the Jasper seriously quieter?

Also, there's a black level option if you use HDMI output, yes?

[ITDEFX]

Yeah, that HDMI handshaking is a nuisance. Can't be helped.

If you are using HDMI, it does HDMI handshaking before boot which can take 5-10 sec depending on your components.


Thanks for clearing that up. I notice the same problem with my BR player, where my tv won't get a signal until 5-10 sec later. Wow that's a weird delay.

Is the Jasper seriously quieter?

Also, there's a black level option if you use HDMI output, yes?

Seems around as quite as my repaired Xen from MS.

[pete5883]

Wouldn't the Jasper only be quieter if it's fans were quieter? And they were probably using those fans for a few months pre-Jasper anyway.

[bs000]

I noticed at the store they had slightly different boxes. The holiday bundle has been out for awhile and the picture of the games pretty much covered the whole box (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pPTCbDx%2BL._SS400_.jpg). But now it's been shrunk and put in the bottom left corner of the box. These are definitely newer and could possibly indicate a Jasper model. I couldn't check and find out for sure though.

[sunghost]

so the 150w power brick that came with my jasper is making an annoying buzzing sound, is it alright if i swap it with my old 203w power brick?

[bs000]

I don't think it'll fit. I'm pretty sure they have slightly different connectors to make sure you don't mix and match by accident. Can someone else verify? :D

[Danil ACE]

203 brick works with all 360s.

150 brick only works with jaspers.

[Spoon_si]

203 brick works with all 360s.

150 brick only works with jaspers.

I think he means if anyone confused is "203 brick works with all 360s" yes even jasper. and I can confirm this.. it will only draw 150w not the whole 203w, so don't worry.. same goes for the 175 power brick also..

but the jasper 150w power brink only plugs into and works only on jasper...

[shrike4242]

The plug is different on the 203W AC adapter, as they changed it for the Falcon (175W) adapter.

A Zephyr/203W adapter won't fit into the receptacle on a Falcon/175W or a Jasper/150W system.

If you had a 175W adapter from a Falcon system, that one would work, as some of the first Jasper systems came with the 175W adapters from the Falcon systems.

[fujishig]

The plug is different on the 203W AC adapter, as they changed it for the Falcon (175W) adapter.

A Zephyr/203W adapter won't fit into the receptacle on a Falcon/175W or a Jasper/150W system.

If you had a 175W adapter from a Falcon system, that one would work, as some of the first Jasper systems came with the 175W adapters from the Falcon systems.

I'm confused... the 203W is the original AC Adapter, right? I have a Jasper, and when I replaced my launch Xbox 360, I used the same plug... it fit fine.

[Spoon_si]

I'm confused... the 203W is the original AC Adapter, right? I have a Jasper, and when I replaced my launch Xbox 360, I used the same plug... it fit fine.

And it should... and would work.. my 203w brick powers my jasper & my old falcon just fine.. and same goes for the 175w brick..

150w brick fits only into jasper & only works for jasper.. kinda confusing. but yes..

[Achuba Nanoia]

Hmm just a quick question: Do all Jasper power bricks makes this sound or is it just a problem you are having? I plan to get one soon, but my room setup means having the power brick behind the couch, and making noises probably won't be good :P.

[Danil ACE]

The plug is different on the 203W AC adapter, as they changed it for the Falcon (175W) adapter.

A Zephyr/203W adapter won't fit into the receptacle on a Falcon/175W or a Jasper/150W system.

If you had a 175W adapter from a Falcon system, that one would work, as some of the first Jasper systems came with the 175W adapters from the Falcon systems.

Wrong.

203w brick fits and works with Xenon, Zephyr, Falcon, and Jasper
175w brick fits and works with Falcon, and Jasper
150w brick fits and works with only Jasper
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/gadgets/microsoft/jasper/identifying_sm.jpg

[Xavin]

Wrong.

203w brick fits and works with Xenon, Zephyr, Falcon, and Jasper
175w brick fits and works with Falcon, and Jasper
150w brick fits and works with only Jasper
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/gadgets/microsoft/jasper/identifying_sm.jpg
Indeed.

[jamezuva]

Can anyone help confirm what type of xbox I have. I bought an Elite holiday bundle a couple months ago with a manufacter date in June 08 which I assumed would mean I would have gotten a later build (at that time I didn't know there were so many types), but after doing some searches, my best guess is that I have a Zephyr. The console power plug has that middle square in-between all the connectors, the power supply is 203W and the numbers beside the "12V" on the back of the console are "16,5A." I'd prefer not to open up the housing of the console as I presume this is enough info to determine what it is. Thanks.

[Allnatural]

Can anyone help confirm what type of xbox I have. I bought an Elite holiday bundle a couple months ago with a manufacter date in June 08 which I assumed would mean I would have gotten a later build (at that time I didn't know there were so many types), but after doing some searches, my best guess is that I have a Zephyr. The console power plug has that middle square in-between all the connectors, the power supply is 203W and the numbers beside the "12V" on the back of the console are "16,5A." I'd prefer not to open up the housing of the console as I presume this is enough info to determine what it is. Thanks.
The PSUs are forwards-compatible, so technically you could have any version. My guess is that you have a Falcon. Many of the early ones were shipped with the older PSU.

[Gentlegamer]

I'll be getting an Elite with a portion of my tax refund. How can I spot a Jasper?

[shrike4242]

Wrong.

203w brick fits and works with Xenon, Zephyr, Falcon, and Jasper
175w brick fits and works with Falcon, and Jasper
150w brick fits and works with only Jasper
http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/gadgets/microsoft/jasper/identifying_sm.jpgThat info I posted came from a MS rep on the Xbox phone line, so I guess I had the token idiot explain that to me.

The pic above explains it. I stand corrected.

[cereal_killerxx]

Has anyone here spotted or heard of a Jasper going RROD? I'm hoping the answer is no and that the RROD nonsense is finally completely over with.

[Owen]

Has anyone here spotted or heard of a Jasper going RROD? I'm hoping the answer is no and that the RROD nonsense is finally completely over with.

Give it a year and then you will get a better idea of how well the Jasper will hold up. A few months is not enough time to say if the Jasper is going to be the greatest setup as so many people are hoping.

[Achuba Nanoia]

Give it a year and then you will get a better idea of how well the Jasper will hold up. A few months is not enough time to say if the Jasper is going to be the greatest setup as so many people are hoping.

So true. However, mine will arrive next week, and at least now my light bill will not sky rocket as much as it would with a "first-generation" 360, which is always a plus.

[Gentlegamer]

I just bought an Elite with manufacture date of 10-31-08 . . . it's a Falcon. I was sure it was going to be a Jasper.

[foltzie]

http://www.capcom-unity.com/snow_infernus/blog/2009/02/26/major_nelson_unboxes_the_re5_red_xbox_360

Its not explicitly mentioned to be a Jasper, but Major Nelson mentions the 150W power supply in this video for the RE5 360 bundle...

I may have to jump on that particular item...

[eastx]

Yeah, I am highly tempted by the thought of a red Jasper too.

[foltzie]

http://www.capcom-unity.com/snow_infernus/blog/2009/02/26/major_nelson_unboxes_the_re5_red_xbox_360

Its not explicitly mentioned to be a Jasper, but Major Nelson mentions the 150W power supply in this video for the RE5 360 bundle...

I may have to jump on that particular item...

I was just tossing this up last night, but I have to give kudos to Major Nelson... Mentioning the PSU and the manufacture date was a brialliant move to give a heads up to us forum dwellers about the Jasper, but keeping in line with Microsoft's stated public relations line that they consider all Xbox 360's be it Arcade, Pro, or Elite lines as always equal for consumers.

[BuckinKaeding]

Bought a 360 Yesterday from Gamestop. It was the one w/ Kung Fu Panda and Lego Indy.

Its a Faclon

[Raconteur]

Bought a 360 Yesterday from Gamestop. It was the one w/ Kung Fu Panda and Lego Indy.

Its a Faclon
I'm pretty sure that all the holiday bundles of 2008 were falcon. It's a safe bet that they are good consoles since they were the last batch of falcons.

[seniorredhat]

just picked up a pro from walmart....After searching and reading I'm about 90% certain it's a jasper.

Lot no: 0842x
Team: CSON
Mfg date: 10.22.2008
under the bar code: 12,1A.5 <------Only real evidence that it may be a jasper from what I've read
power block output: 175w


Was this an early run or what...This is my first xbox so I've never really looked into it, I've hear about the rrod and just hope I've been able to skip that fiasco all together..

[Drocka818]

STORY!: ok i went and traded in part of my ps2 library of games two days ago and got 115$..plus the money i already had 101$..i had the exact same amount for the total price of an xbox 360 arcade jasper...the jasper model is very good..wen i feel the back of the xbox jasper, i can feel the hot air leaving and the smooth run of the xbox is cool...thats how i got the xbox 360 jasper....

STORY!: lets get to the point..i have my ps2 still and im going to trade it in tommorow..i did some reasearch on the trade of the ps2 including games and accesories to see how much i would get..the price that i got was 61.75 dallors know u guys kno the arcade version doesnt come with a hardrive or wireless network adapter or games...

QUESTIONS!:
Should i get the used 20gig hardrive for 60$???
Should i save up the 61$ and get a wireless network adapter???
Should i use the money to buy a game???(call of duty 4)

[BackInBlack]

1. Get at least a 60 gig hdd
2. Do you plan on playing XBL right away?
3. Save up to buy that, or any other games for that matter, what are you going to use your 360 for?

[Drocka818]

1. Get at least a 60 gig hdd
2. Do you plan on playing XBL right away?
3. Save up to buy that, or any other games for that matter, what are you going to use your 360 for?

1. well i think im getting 61+ dollars,so i guess i could wait a little longer and get 60gig live pack
2.im on low budget right know so i might not get live right away
3.if i dont get more money in a month and still dont have a hardrive,ill buy COD4...im mostly using it too play games(single player) as if i had a ps2

[shigster]

QUESTIONS!:
Should i get the used 20gig hardrive for 60$???

You can pick up a used 20gb for less through eBay ($40 shipped)

Should i save up the 61$ and get a wireless network adapter???

Cheaper to just get a longer ethernet cable and no lag.

Should i use the money to buy a game???(call of duty 4)

With the money saved, get two used games! or even three!

[BackInBlack]

1. well i think im getting 61+ dollars,so i guess i could wait a little longer and get 60gig live pack
2.im on low budget right know so i might not get live right away
3.if i dont get more money in a month and still dont have a hardrive,ill buy COD4...im mostly using it too play games(single player) as if i had a ps2

get a used 120gb hdd imo, unless you are going to get the 60gb live pack for cheaper than 100 bucks.

[rugerrell2369]

QUESTIONS!:
Should i get the used 20gig hardrive for 60$???
Should i save up the 61$ and get a wireless network adapter???
Should i use the money to buy a game???(call of duty 4)

1. if u dont plan on having dlc on it, it will do.
2. get an ethernet cable instead if possible. better connection than the wireless.
3. ur gonna need some games. look around first b4 getting used games. i almost got vf5 for bout 30 used from gamestop but at target it was 20.

[FarmhouseMedia]

You need a HDD if you play most mutiplayer games online, if the game has been patched and you don't have a hard drive, then you can't play online because you don't have the latest version of the game.

Also, if you get COD4 for multiplayer, you should get the mappack as well, which you also need a HDD for. So basically, a HDD is essential.

[ilivas]

I think a 20GB HD is sufficient as long as you don't load your gamews for the HD.

[jaysapathy]

Less than 8 hours.

My new Jasper board (manufacture date 12/08) had less than 8 hours of play time on it. And now it's on its way back to MS in a coffin box. This is my second Jasper. Am I the only one getting pissed off at this company's inability to make a decent console? I have NES systems that still work perfectly for Chrissakes. Even my original Xbox (v1.0) still runs fine, albeit loud as a motherfucker. My PS3 runs fine without error, my Wii gets warm but hardly hot to the touch, my DreamCast can still chug along with the best of them, the SNES is working like a champ, the Genesis can still kick ass, and .. well, you're getting the picture, right?

My point in all of this (aside from a rather anti-MS rant) is that these Jaspers don't end the RROD problem, and I doubt MS ever will. I'm thinking it's time to abandon the 360 until they fix their problems, if ever. Once Sony fixes their upscaling issue, that's it -- I'm sold on the PS3. It may have a limited library, but what good is a game library I can't play because I'm always sending the console in for repair?

Thanks for listening.