RPG thread 4 has leveled up into RPG thread #5! [Mobile/Archive]

Kendal

08-22-2008, 02:46 PM

This is really off topic but have you guys noticed the general downturn in civility around here lately? Even when willard and magus were going at it, it wasn't anything like some of the garbage I've seen elsewhere like the Heavy Rain thread.

Shut up asshole! ;) jk

I am trying to power through the last week of TWEWY before ToV comes out. It is going to be a close finish! Expect for team Square Enix to file a petition.

depascal22

08-22-2008, 02:50 PM

I'm gonna pass on ToV for now. I'll pick it up when it hits 30 or 40

willardhaven

08-22-2008, 02:56 PM

This is really off topic but have you guys noticed the general downturn in civility around here lately? Even when willard and magus were going at it, it wasn't anything like some of the garbage I've seen elsewhere like the Heavy Rain thread.

I've had so little to do since graduating, I have wasted a lot of time arguing with that dude over his crappy posts.

I was going to do this thread with a title like "RPG Thread #_ is Inifinitely Undiscovering Your Mom.".

I can't see why people hate VP2 or RS so much. Sure they are both lacking in some ways but they are still fun games.

Rodimus

08-22-2008, 02:59 PM

I don't think anyone said they hated VP2 or RS. At least I didn't.

DarkSageRK

08-22-2008, 03:00 PM

VP2 was good...except for the whole backtracking bit and the tricky platforming. It was difficult, but not "why fuck am I dying so much in the beginning?" difficult ala Rogue Galaxy. I was surprised by the amount of customization it offered for being a button-masher.

willardhaven

08-22-2008, 03:02 PM

I don't think anyone said they hated VP2 or RS. At least I didn't.

In general the games just aren't very well-liked. At least that's the impression that I got.

MSI Magus

08-22-2008, 03:04 PM

Ill say I hate both. VP2 tried to have a new gameplay system which is fine but it was a downgrade over the old system. It wasnt very good and tried to do far too much.

RS was just ass. Its story was pure ass and its gameplay was sub par compared to other similar games.

Jest

08-22-2008, 03:07 PM

depascal22

08-22-2008, 03:08 PM

Here we go again.

Rodimus

08-22-2008, 03:10 PM

In general the games just aren't very well-liked. At least that's the impression that I got.

Really? I always thought VP2 was generally well received. It got decent reviews. Like me most fans of the series probably liked VP1 more, doesn't mean they didn't like the sequel.

As for Radiata Story I wouldn't know, never played it.

willardhaven

08-22-2008, 03:11 PM

Here we go again.

Indeed.

Rodimus

08-22-2008, 03:22 PM

I'll keep my nit-picky mouth shut.

kainzero

08-22-2008, 03:25 PM

I think people *generally* liked VP2. I had a lot of issues with the story and with some of the gameplay elements (way too much backtracking) but in the end, it was fun. It was no VP1 though, and I liked VP1 because of the mini-stories (for the same reason I like DQ). The puzzles were way better in VP2 though. Alicia's Nibelung Valesti 1 was sweet looking.

Radiata Stories just didn't feel solid at all. I liked a lot of the musical and directing elements but I thought the story was a mess and the free-roaming to be kinda boring.

depascal22

08-22-2008, 03:28 PM

The only thing I didn't like about VP2 was how they changed up how the Einjehar (sp?) played a role in the game.

Moxio

08-22-2008, 03:29 PM

Krymner

08-22-2008, 03:32 PM

Fuck yes RPG thread keeps on truckin! Tell me what to play here please.
Final Fantasy 10 (got to the part where you go in Sin but never finished)
Final Fantasy 12 (got to where the beach place is with all the hunters)
Paper Mario and the Thousand Year Door
Twilight Princess (not an RPG but whatever)
Dragon Quest 8 (never played a DQ game before)
TWEWY
Mario and Luigi Partners in Time
:whee:
...
I'm also trying to finish FFIV DS, FFT:WotL, and P3 + FES. School starts in 2 weeks and I am working full time shift next week so wish me luck. :P

I'd say go ahead and finish off FF10. You're closing in on the end. I had to stop and grind for a little while at the part where you're at, so be careful cause once you get into the last part, its almost like every random battle is like a mini-boss fight.

After not touching Xenosaga Ep1 much for the past few days I'm trying to dig back into it. I haven't really done any of the sidequests at all. Its kind of a thing I've been doing recently. The last few RPGs I've played, I've just been focused on beating the game, whereas I used to want to discover every little secret of the game and complete all the sidequests and find all the loot. Nowadays, however, I'm just more interested in seeing the ending so I can move on to the next RPG in my backlog.

Just wondering how everyone else works on RPGs now. Are you a completist, or do you just want to see the end?

depascal22

08-22-2008, 03:36 PM

I say FF10.

I'm not a completist at all when it comes to RPGs. I always do something during a game that won't let me get that one item. At that point, it's not worth it to start over.

JEKKI

08-22-2008, 03:38 PM

Valkyrie Profile 2 was the shyt!! that battle system was incredible, so much depth to it omg...

currently playing Parasite Eve... game any good??

I'm hyping myself up for PE3rdBday

willardhaven

08-22-2008, 03:39 PM

Agreed, I love to do the side quests and extra missions except when they are missable.

I wish I could get my hands on a nice copy of VP. I think one day I might just splurge on a sealed copy or a like new one on Ebay.

Chibi_Kaji

08-22-2008, 03:40 PM

I tried playing VP on the PSP. It's just too confusing for me to get into...

Rodimus

08-22-2008, 03:42 PM

I sold my copy of VP on the PS1 for $180 on ebay a few years ago. Bought a PSP and VP: Lenneth with that money :D

Jest

08-22-2008, 03:42 PM

Well I am going to have to replay FFX and XII entirely because my memory card is destroyed. Oh well.

Kendal

08-22-2008, 03:49 PM

Valkyrie Profile 2 was the shyt!! that battle system was incredible, so much depth to it omg...

currently playing Parasite Eve... game any good??

I'm hyping myself up for PE3rdBday

I love the PE games. They are really good. Well I don't know, it has been about 10 years. Nah, they were fun. Good games. I am going to have to find them again and play 'em!

depascal22

08-22-2008, 04:50 PM

I remember being blown away by PE's cutscenes and I really liked the first one's combat system.

Krymner

08-22-2008, 06:27 PM

I really liked Parasite Eve, but I never played the sequel. Its been years since I played it tho. I've seen a few used copies of both PE 1 and 2 within the last year or so that I could have picked up real cheap, but none of them were complete so I passed them up. I wish they would show up on the PSN download service someday. It would be a day 1 download for me.

62t

08-22-2008, 06:29 PM

It is too bad the change PE2 to more like Resident Evil. The original was great aside from Aya slow walking speed

62t

08-22-2008, 08:05 PM

Just found out the Tales of Vesperia guide doesnt have any maps. This is such a huge let down as I already ordered it on amazon. I normally dont get any game guides but the Abyss guide became very hard to find.

fatbeer

08-22-2008, 09:43 PM

That's pretty stupid move for Brady for leaving out maps out of Tales of Vesperia guide. It sort reminded me of their Tales of Symphonia guide, it didn't have maps either. But in their next guide, Tales of Abyss, have maps on their guide. People should buy these Tales guides despite their flaws, they really hold up in value in near future.

Hopefully, they will include maps for Tales of Symphonia 2.

Rei no Otaku

08-22-2008, 10:21 PM

I want to get ToV in store since I want it day 1. Hence why I wish the LE wasn't online only.

Oh, and Radiata Stories was terrible.

cletus

08-23-2008, 12:51 AM

Oh, and Radiata Stories was terrible.

Thanks you just saved me $20. Now I need to find something else to add to my Amazon order to bump it above $25.

StarKnightX

08-23-2008, 12:57 AM

I say FF10.

I'm not a completist at all when it comes to RPGs. I always do something during a game that won't let me get that one item. At that point, it's not worth it to start over.

I used to be a completionist back in the SNES / PS1 RPG days , and to an extent I still am , but now I'm more focused on simply beating the game , so that I've experienced the game/story and clean out my backlog , then go back to it later. Like right now I'm working on FFX and have no real plans to mess with any of the sidequests or blitzball or any of that stuff and just worry about beating the game. Then once I've beaten some other games in my backlog , I'll go back and replay FFX to try and do everything. Maybe even do some challenge runs.

jer7583

08-23-2008, 01:11 AM

pete5883

08-23-2008, 01:59 AM

Rei no Otaku

08-23-2008, 02:04 AM

eldergamer

08-23-2008, 02:51 AM

currently playing-
rogue galaxy
disgaea 2
tales of legandia (sorta)
baiten kaitos
paper mario gamecube

on the shelf waiting to be opened-
ff12
smt: devil summoner
vp2
maybe something else I forgot.

gave up on for now-
shadow hearts 3

Moxio

08-23-2008, 03:12 AM

Jer, don't play DQ.

kainzero

08-23-2008, 03:51 AM

Tell me what I need to know about Dragon Quest 4. I'm willing to give Dragon Quest a shot, but I don't want any bullshit wandering around grinding for 5 hours between a dungeon or no battle animations or enemy encounters every 3 steps. I love Final Fantasy, but even those games try my patience most of the time, as I hate most JRPGS. But I'm interested in DW4 for DS.

Oh, I did try DW8 but lost patience after the first town. I have finished both suikoden games that matter, though, so I do like the really, really good JRPGs, but only those.
As much as I want to defend DQ, no. I don't know if they've changed it but I can name a couple of 10-20 minute grind spots, and if you didn't like the battle system in DQ8 then not much has changed.

I can spend time about how balanced and refined the gameplay is but... whatever, agree to disagree.

winterice

08-23-2008, 03:51 AM

Which one is potentially going to be better, ToV or Infinite Undiscovery?

Rei no Otaku

08-23-2008, 03:53 AM

ToV.

Moxio

08-23-2008, 03:53 AM

They both have great potential.

Kendal

08-23-2008, 04:35 AM

I just scored PE 1 and 2, for $10. I can't wait to play them again. I am one happy CAG!

depascal22

08-23-2008, 10:56 AM

I just scored PE 1 and 2, for $10. I can't wait to play them again. I am one happy CAG!

That's alot of gaming goodness for $10.

Back to sidequests and 100%, Crisis Core is a prime example of a bad way to implement them. I'm getting ready to beat the game but I've only finished half of the sidequests. It woudn't be so bad if there were more than five maps to do the missions on. I can only go to the mines so many times before I get bored. On top of it, several of the mission branches (or categories?) are blocked off to me because I didn't go wander around town at the right time to talk to Sephiroth fan or help a certain dude out.

I liked that I could use the missions to level Zack up but it's frustrating that I have to go back and play the entire game to get the best materia/items. I'll just have to settle for 55% complete on the missions and go ahead and beat the game. I'd finish all the hard missions but what's the point if I'm not going to really need the items to finish the game and I can't get 100%?

willardhaven

08-23-2008, 12:00 PM

Oh, and Radiata Stories was terrible.

Thanks you just saved me $20. Now I need to find something else to add to my Amazon order to bump it above $25.

Keep in mind this advice is from someone who buys every Dynasty Warriors and Gust RPG.

;)

Rei no Otaku

08-23-2008, 12:55 PM

RS was just ass. Its story was pure ass and its gameplay was sub par compared to other similar games.

Radiata Stories just didn't feel solid at all. I liked a lot of the musical and directing elements but I thought the story was a mess and the free-roaming to be kinda boring.
It's not just me lol.

Kendal

08-23-2008, 01:07 PM

I am in the category that did not like Radiata Stories. So it isn't just Rei's bad taste. ;)

willardhaven

08-23-2008, 01:16 PM

It's not just me lol.

Touche.

Rei no Otaku

08-23-2008, 01:23 PM

ToV opening is awesome:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDZ0j9pSOWE

Mr. Beef

08-23-2008, 01:35 PM

MSI Magus

08-23-2008, 02:43 PM

I really wanna get ToV, but I will mos def wait for a cheaper price. Still looks fuckin' gorgeous, though.

Crisis Core was bad-ass. Lack of maps was disappointing, but still, bad-ass game. Optional hidden boss was a nice challenge, too.

Same. It looks bad ass but its rare I spend full price for a game and dont feel ripped off. Most I pick up for $13-$18 but ToV might be a $30 purchase. Especially since it has a collectors edition.

Also just bought an awesome hate I think you guys can appreciate!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=310072201750&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=021#ebayphotohosting

depascal22

08-23-2008, 03:39 PM

Just beat Crisis Core and it was a bad ass game. Dare I say, better than the original? I liked the battle system and the story and basically everything but the lack of maps for the missions. I give it a 9.3.

Mr. Beef

08-23-2008, 03:53 PM

Did you beat the optional boss? Bitch was hella fun to fight.

Moxio

08-23-2008, 04:18 PM

Crisis Core was good, but Genesis was just an absolutely awful character. :/

Rodimus

08-23-2008, 04:19 PM

I broke down & preordered Vesperia. I figure any game that I plan to spend 60+ hours on is worth full price.

Now I have to blaze through Lost Odyssey before Tuesday. I can't play two RPGs at once. Anyone else like this?

Mr. Beef

08-23-2008, 04:35 PM

Crisis Core was good, but Genesis was just an absolutely awful character. :/
I would've rather watched Cloud cry for two hours then see Genesis as much as I did.

I broke down & preordered Vesperia. I figure any game that I plan to spend 60+ hours on is worth full price.

Now I have to blaze through Lost Odyssey before Tuesday. I can't play two RPGs at once. Anyone else like this?
You ain't alone. Hell, I can barely play two games in general at once anymore.

thelonepig

08-23-2008, 04:42 PM

Just wondering how everyone else works on RPGs now. Are you a completist, or do you just want to see the end?

For me it depends entirely on the game. Shadow Hearts Covenant was the first RPG where I got every item and completed every side quest, but that was mainly because I enjoyed the game so much that I didn't want it to be over.

On the other hand, Rogue Galaxy had a load of sidequests and mini-games, but the story just dragged on and on to the point that I just got bored with it and sprinted to the end.

I find now that there are just too many games coming out that unless I really find one I enjoy, there's little reason to complete all of the side stories.

On an unrelated note, what does everyone think of ToV's chance of showing up on the PS3 in a year?

Mr. Beef

08-23-2008, 04:52 PM

I can't even touch an RPG without trying to get everything in it. It's reactionary. If I see a % completed score, it's even worse.

pete5883

08-23-2008, 05:10 PM

On an unrelated note, what does everyone think of ToV's chance of showing up on the PS3 in a year?
100%. They would be throwing so much Japanese money away by not doing so.

willardhaven

08-23-2008, 05:22 PM

ToV and ES on PS3 = me never having to buy an Xbox.

Chibi_Kaji

08-23-2008, 05:30 PM

On an unrelated note, what does everyone think of ToV's chance of showing up on the PS3 in a year?
I have no doubt that it will show up on the PS3. But I wouldn't get my hopes up for it to come to the US.

willardhaven

08-23-2008, 05:33 PM

Why wouldn't it? The PS3 needs RPGs and localizing it wouldn't cost too much.

Chibi_Kaji

08-23-2008, 05:52 PM

I think probably because the Tales games have never really sold that well in the US. Also it seems to be pretty hit and miss what games we get from the series. But hey, ES is seeing a PS3 release in the US so I guess I could be wrong.

depascal22

08-23-2008, 05:52 PM

I can't play more than a couple games at once and never more than one RPG. I'm also cutting down to one shooter. I keep throwing grenades in Call of Duty 4 when I want to reload. I'm sure a couple people have thought I'm retarded.

Rei no Otaku

08-23-2008, 11:00 PM

I play more than one RPG all the time. In fact I'll be doing it when Infinite Undiscovery comes out the week after ToV.

bigl523

08-23-2008, 11:11 PM

I'm just hoping that all of these xbox rpgs get released on my pstriple as ultimate editions with extra crap spread on top of em. Especially ToV. I NEED MAH TALES DAMMIT!

DarkSageRK

08-23-2008, 11:17 PM

Chibi_Kaji

08-23-2008, 11:25 PM

I think ToS was the best selling Tales game in the US too...

Rodimus

08-23-2008, 11:30 PM

I'm not sure what kind of deal Bandai/Namco has with Microsoft on the exclusivity of ToV, but if it's not too serious I could see it on the PS3 within a year.

jer7583

08-23-2008, 11:31 PM

10-20 min grinding isn't bad... 1+ hour grinding is.

DarkSageRK

08-23-2008, 11:38 PM

I think ToS was the best selling Tales game in the US too...

Because it was put on an RPG-starved system. See where I'm going with this?

keithp

08-23-2008, 11:44 PM

Yeah, just jumping in here but Tales hasn't really sold that well here relatively speaking. I'm playing 3 RPGs at the moment but that's about my limit. Now COMPLETING them, however...don't get me started...I usually have ADGD..

Chibi_Kaji

08-23-2008, 11:48 PM

Because it was put on an RPG-starved system. See where I'm going with this?
I can see where you might be trying to go with it... But ToS was made for the RPG-starved system first. And then ported over the PS2 only in Japan...

thelonepig

08-24-2008, 01:23 AM

I can see where you might be trying to go with it... But ToS was made for the RPG-starved system first. And then ported over the PS2 only in Japan...

As I recall, the main reason for not bringing ToS to the PS2 in the US was due to Nintendo spotting the localization money for the Gamecube.

I appreciate the intelligent responses though, as opposed to the "the case says 360 exclusive" that I've read elsewhere. At this point, the only reason I could see ToV not coming to the PS3 would be a similar move with MS posting the localization funds.

Chacrana

08-24-2008, 01:31 AM

I'm going to wait for the Gametrailers review before buying Tales. IGN's review was encouraging, but I would've liked some sort of comparison to previous Tales games...

winterice

08-24-2008, 01:55 AM

I'm going to wait for the Gametrailers review before buying Tales. IGN's review was encouraging, but I would've liked some sort of comparison to previous Tales games...
lol, that was my first thought after reading the review too. I want to know how it stacks up to the other Tales game. A little more info on the combat would've been nice too.

Chibi_Kaji

08-24-2008, 08:41 AM

As I recall, the main reason for not bringing ToS to the PS2 in the US was due to Nintendo spotting the localization money for the Gamecube.

I appreciate the intelligent responses though, as opposed to the "the case says 360 exclusive" that I've read elsewhere. At this point, the only reason I could see ToV not coming to the PS3 would be a similar move with MS posting the localization funds.

Actually I think another factor might be just how well ES for PS3 sells in the states. If sells poorly I could see them having second thoughts about bringing a ToV port over.

pete5883

08-24-2008, 08:47 AM

What I really want to know is if ToV has exactly the same story as all the older games in the series.

eldergamer

08-24-2008, 02:03 PM

The only games where I've made an effort to get everything were the ones I truly enjoyed the most
- the first two shadow hearts games
- smt nocturne.

otherwise I'll do side quests as the come up or if they have big enough pay-offs.

Rodimus

08-24-2008, 03:30 PM

What I really want to know is if ToV has exactly the same story as all the older games in the series.

I'm going to assume it's a very cliche' JRPG story. But it's been a while since I saved the world from true ultimate evil with a 18 year-old who is as queer as a 3 dollar bill and his pure as snow 15 year-old love interest who he'll never even put the moves on, however in the epilogue they have a kid..... but like I said, it's been a while.

depascal22

08-24-2008, 04:58 PM

I'm going to assume it's a very cliche' JRPG story. But it's been a while since I saved the world from true ultimate evil with a 18 year-old who is as queer as a 3 dollar bill and his pure as snow 15 year-old love interest who he'll never even put the moves on, however in the epilogue they have a kid..... but like I said, it's been a while.

You forgot his naive friend that just happens to be there when everything goes off.

suko_32

08-24-2008, 05:06 PM

Vesperia :whee:

Also getting Disgaea 3, though I probably won't be playing that as much initially.

thelonepig

08-24-2008, 06:05 PM

Actually I think another factor might be just how well ES for PS3 sells in the states. If sells poorly I could see them having second thoughts about bringing a ToV port over.

Considering it's another Bamco game, it's certainly possible.

I'd be curious to see what the cost ratio is for a company to develop a game versus port a game. For example, if ToV doesn't sell overly well on the 360 (or conversely, sells very well), how many copies would need to be sold to justify a port? Obviously they'll want to at the very least break even. Ultimately, a port would only be created if either a) it doesn't sell well and they feel that cost can be recouperated on the PS3 or b) it sells extremely well and they want to see more profit by increasing accessability.

depascal22

08-25-2008, 12:15 PM

More thoughts on Crisis Core, FFVII, and Advent Children:

1. At the end of Crisis Core, Genesis gets carted off by Shinra soldiers. What happens to him and who does he become?

2. What is Cissnei's real name?

3. Why doesn't Cloud get gunned down like Zack? He's not far from where Zack is and there's a crapload of troops there. Zack is still alive (barely) when he shows up so it's not like the troops were gone long.

4. Why the hell does Cloud just leave the Buster Sword on the cliffs overlooking Midgar? Is he that much of an emotional wreck that he can't have anything that would remind him of Aerith?

I'll problaby think of more but that's all I have right now.

willardhaven

08-25-2008, 02:38 PM

I haven't finished Symphonia or Abyss yet but I am still jealous of 360 owners who get to play the new Tales this week.

Rodimus

08-25-2008, 03:12 PM

Got to the last boss in of Lost Odyssey this morning. When I get off work later tonight I'll finally finish it so I'll be all set for Vesperia tomorrow. Lost Odyssey has been a decent experience, had more fun with this than Blue Dragon. My mini review:

Pros:
Voice acting was great, the main character is probably the coolest one in recent history, nice detailed graphics, non-anime theme in a JRPG is welcomed which helped give it a more serious feel, lots of nice puzzle elements, and while not one of Nobuo's greatest soundtracks the music was top notch.
Cons:
Combat & loading is very slow, some character designs were "meh", the main villain isn't very interesting (crazy magician who wants to be a god), learning skills by equipping items is so FF9, and personally I wanted more tank characters and I disliked the two children in the party (Cooke & Mack)

Overall I'd give it a 8/10

tiggerkiddo

08-25-2008, 03:25 PM

MSI Magus

08-25-2008, 03:28 PM

Anyone looking forward to Infinite Discovery? I want to see the general impressions on it first before I consider buying a 360 (Stupid PS3, where are my RPG's?

Oh yea, Star Ocean 1 and 2 should be out this fall, time to get a PSP. Darn, time to start putting in some overtime.

O snap! I was in the processe of selling my modded PSP because I thought Kingdom Hearts/Dissidia were all I wanted coming up. Forgot about those 2. Maybe I should hold onto my PSP a little longer.

willardhaven

08-25-2008, 03:31 PM

IU looks pretty good, but the art design is noticeably inferior to VP Silmeria and Radiata Stories (Tri-Aces two most recent games).

Star Ocean 1 and 2 on PSP look good, but I've got 2 on PS1 already. Oh well.

suko_32

08-25-2008, 03:31 PM

Anyone looking forward to Infinite Discovery? I want to see the general impressions on it first before I consider buying a 360 (Stupid PS3, where are my RPG's?

Oh yea, Star Ocean 1 and 2 should be out this fall, time to get a PSP. Darn, time to start putting in some overtime.

I'm looking forward to reading the reviews for IU since no one knows how good or bad it'll be.

depascal22

08-25-2008, 03:49 PM

I'll let you guys be the guinea pigs for all these new RPGs. Since there isn't any online play, I'll just wait for the first or second price drop.

Oh, and does anyone know the answer to the first question I asked a couple posts ago. The one about Genesis in Crisis Core.

willardhaven

08-25-2008, 03:51 PM

The good thing about modern gaming is the size of the print runs.

Games are overprinted so aside from limited editions, it's easy to find later on.

I too plan on waiting for price drops and ports.

punkmaggit

08-25-2008, 05:02 PM

(crazy magician who wants to be a god)

Kefka?

Rodimus

08-25-2008, 05:21 PM

Kefka?

Kefka is more of an evil jester who wants to be a god. This guy was a little less silly.

willardhaven

08-25-2008, 05:22 PM

Lost Odyssey is pretty much Final Fantasy without the artwork. Not saying it's bad or good, just what it is.

Rodimus

08-25-2008, 05:30 PM

This guy just wasn't menacing. Plus he grooms himsilf like he's a MLB player.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c396/Zangeif123/gongora.jpg

62t

08-25-2008, 05:46 PM

heavyd853

08-25-2008, 06:28 PM

Assuming you don't want or have the time to play DoC I'll give the answers!

1. Since Genesis's body is decomposing or something like that since he has that mako infusion thingy or whatever (cloud gets purified a few times throughout the series), he seals himself underneath midgar waiting for a crisis in which the planet would require his aid. (He wakes up after the events of DoC)

2. No idea!

3. What 62T said.

4. If it hasn't been retconned in CC, that cliff is the place where Zack dies in the flashback in the original FFVII. Its basically a grave marker, and signifies his guilt over both of their deaths.

depascal22

08-25-2008, 06:29 PM

1. you will find out in Dirge of Cerberus
2. what ever you named her in Before Crisis. You named the characters in that game.
3. cloud was hidden
4. he kept the sword

1. Great. Now I have to play through that one.

3. I know he was hidden but there was hundreds of troops everywhere that were looking for both guys and they just leave after Zack gets capped in the head?

4. He even goes back and puts it back in the cliff after the motorcycle battle with Yazoo and the other brother/remnant. It's covered in dirt and rust and generally looks like he doesn't want anything to do with it. EDIT -- I guess it makes it sense as a memorial though.

Thanks for helping me out guys.

pete5883

08-25-2008, 09:12 PM

1. Great. Now I have to play through that one.

You really don't. It's a scene that only shows up if you find 3 hidden items in the game. I liked the game, but if that's all you want to see, just youtube the scene.

willardhaven

08-25-2008, 11:55 PM

Does the original Valkyrie Profile support analog controls?

Random question, but one day I plan on picking it up.

Rei no Otaku

08-25-2008, 11:57 PM

I'm pretty sure it does. Though it doesn't really matter since the game is 2D.

Rodimus

08-25-2008, 11:58 PM

Does the original Valkyrie Profile support analog controls?

Random question, but one day I plan on picking it up.

Yes, I'm pretty sure it does.

It does have some tricky 2-D platforming and the D-pad felt more precise as opposed to a more "floaty" feel with the analog.

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 12:07 AM

Yeah a lot of times though I get sick of using the D-pad and switch it up for towns or easy areas.

I can't believe how expensive that game is...

Chacrana

08-26-2008, 01:04 AM

1Up's review kicked things like details to the curb, but the ending paragraph of the review really makes it sound like Vesperia is worth buying. Interesting.

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3169579

Rei no Otaku

08-26-2008, 01:56 AM

It's a Tales game. Of course it's worth buying.

suko_32

08-26-2008, 02:10 AM

Next Monday is Labor Day, so more time for ToV when it comes in Friday.

JEKKI

08-26-2008, 02:12 AM

o dang anybody see Ys up on the no Wii?!?!?!?!

dang I want it so much... but I aint got the time （；_・）（￣へ￣） (T_T)

Rei no Otaku

08-26-2008, 02:13 AM

It comes out Wednesday.

But man, IU will be out the day after Labor Day... Plus I'll have Mercs 2 which comes out Sunday (it's street dated). I hate the Fall sometimes.

Kendal

08-26-2008, 02:31 AM

Anyone here playing Izuna 2? Anyone like it? I know Rei isn't. :D I just got past the first dungeon and died a lot. It takes time to get used to and to know how to play. It is good stuff. It will be hard to put it down for ToV, until I play ToV that is. Then I can grind levels of Izuna 2 on the throne.

I sold my Disgaea PSP. I am getting the DS version and I really don't need two copies of the same game laying around. The added content should make it worth the trade off on screen size. I am sure both will sound close to the same through headphones. I also got the Disgaea sound track today. Haven't listened to it yet. Looks like it has a good selection between all three games.

thelonepig

08-26-2008, 02:39 AM

Does the original Valkyrie Profile support analog controls?

Random question, but one day I plan on picking it up.

If you're playing on a PS3, you can always enable the analog. I don't remember if it supports it normally though.

suko_32

08-26-2008, 02:49 AM

It comes out Wednesday.

But man, IU will be out the day after Labor Day... Plus I'll have Mercs 2 which comes out Sunday (it's street dated). I hate the Fall sometimes.

I ordered it from Amazon with Amazon Prime.

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 10:35 AM

If you like JRPGs it's hard not to go with Tales. I mean the team that made Vesperia made Symphonia and Abyss, the best in the series I think.

Abyss' major flaws were hardware based, and Vesperia seems to correct those. The only aspect of recent Tales games I dislike are the skits. I wouldn't mind skipping them but they usually lead to bonuses or titles.

depascal22

08-26-2008, 10:38 AM

I just didn't like the boss in the demo. He seemed way overpowered for the party. It would've been better if I could've leveled up for ten minutes to get a little breathing room.

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 10:58 AM

I think there was a trick to beating him involving flowers, I don't have a 360 so I don't know.

Rei no Otaku

08-26-2008, 11:36 AM

Yeah, you were supposed to get him to go near the flowers. They put him to sleep.

depascal22

08-26-2008, 02:19 PM

Yeah, you were supposed to get him to go near the flowers. They put him to sleep.

Good looking out! I'll try that battle again.

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 03:18 PM

I'm trying to decide whether or not to get VP for the PS1 in an effort to pick the best-aging PS1 JRPGs.

I already decided to sell BoF III and keep BoF IV.

I'm keeping the Final Fantasies (not Chronicles), Chrono Cross, Legend of Mana and Saga Frontier 2.

I also kept Star Ocean 2 since it plays pretty well still, although I think I should pick up Valkyrie Profile as well.

Anybody have personal recommendations for a PS1 game that still holds up? In other words, games that are not too heavy on load times, have responsive/analog controls and still look pretty good? Slow-paced, grinding games like DQ VIII need not apply.

Moxio

08-26-2008, 03:31 PM

This is probably a no-brainer, but consider FFVII and FFIX. To me they've aged just fine.

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 03:32 PM

I already have those and I'm keeping them (VII-IX, Anthology and Origins). Tactics I sold because the battles are just too slow for me.

Moxio

08-26-2008, 03:37 PM

Xenogears, Grandia, maybe Legend of Dragoon, Suikoden II.

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 03:40 PM

I might give Suikoden II a try, but it's pricey like VP.

Xenogears has too many broken platforming segments. I beat it once and now I'm selling it.

Thanks for the input though.

Moxio

08-26-2008, 03:45 PM

You could try Legend of Legaia, don't know if you'd like it. Vagrant Story is really untraditional, but definitely interesting. Wild Arms 1 and 2 were mediocre at best but maybe worth a look.

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 03:47 PM

I'm going for the best of the best. I sold off VS because the battles were clunky and boring (despite the game having a lot of great aspects). Legend of Legaia was ok but like I said, I am only going for the best on PS1.

What was your favorite(s)?

depascal22

08-26-2008, 04:47 PM

I think Legend of Dragoon held up decently. Great graphics and a decent battle system. I don't know if it's one of the all time bests but it's very enjoyable.

Rodimus

08-26-2008, 04:51 PM

Vagrant Story is one of the 8 perfect 40/40 from Famitsu. How can you say the battles were clunky & boring?

I never played it but do you guys think it deserved that score?

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 04:58 PM

It's a quality game for sure, but I didn't like the battles. The action stops and you stand with your opponent hitting back and forth.

I don't know many people who dislike it, but I got bored quickly.

depascal22

08-26-2008, 05:06 PM

I think it deserved it. I liked the art style and the battle system. The character customization was also top notch. It would've gotten more love if it was a Final Fantasy.

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 05:25 PM

Doesn't Famitsu just add up popularity and payoffs to get their score data?

I'm kidding but I really don't know.

I don't think FF XII is anywhere near perfect and they gave that a 40/40. A game like Vagrant Story is good, but nowhere near Final Fantasy IX or Castlevania SotN.

Rei no Otaku

08-26-2008, 06:46 PM

Vagrant Story is one of the 8 perfect 40/40 from Famitsu. How can you say the battles were clunky & boring?

I never played it but do you guys think it deserved that score?
I agree with whoever said they didn't like Vagrant Story. It's one of those games that gets praised a lot, but I thought it was horrible. The graphics and story were interesting, but the gameplay was horrific. I hated how you had to change your sandals every time you fought an enemy with a different affinity, I hated the stupid crate puzzles, and I hated all the enemies (generic lizard men, yay!). I don't care what Famitsu said, I didn't like it.

Didn't Famitsu also give that horrendous PS3 Gundam game a high score?

DarkSageRK

08-26-2008, 06:59 PM

Famitsu gave Nintendogs 40/40.

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 07:17 PM

I agree with whoever said they didn't like Vagrant Story. It's one of those games that gets praised a lot, but I thought it was horrible. The graphics and story were interesting, but the gameplay was horrific. I hated how you had to change your sandals every time you fought an enemy with a different affinity, I hated the stupid crate puzzles, and I hated all the enemies (generic lizard men, yay!). I don't care what Famitsu said, I didn't like it.

Didn't Famitsu also give that horrendous PS3 Gundam game a high score?

It's interesting how many of the same popular games we dislike, despite our completely different tastes.

winterice

08-26-2008, 09:07 PM

No ToV impressions?

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 09:12 PM

People won't have the game until tomorrow I presume. Although some retailers probably have it today.

If you've played Abyss, think of Vesperia as that with better graphics and less slowdown/load times.

Moxio

08-26-2008, 09:14 PM

I didn't really mind ToA's slowdowns that much.

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 09:19 PM

Me neither, I love TotA.

As you could imagine, I envy those who own an Xbox 360 at the moment.

Moxio

08-26-2008, 09:29 PM

I own an Xbox 360 at the moment. 8-)

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 09:43 PM

If I didn't dislike the 360's controller and reliability, I would definitely be picking up a core. I'm hoping for a PS3 port next year when I go HD.

Rei no Otaku

08-26-2008, 09:45 PM

Too many RPGs on the 360 now not to own one if you're a RPG fan.

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 09:50 PM

Well so far I've only been interested in ES and ToV. I've still got a huge JRPG backlog, so by the time I get a new console/TV next year I'll have a better idea of whether or not I want a 360.

kainzero

08-26-2008, 10:12 PM

i'm still working on FFTA2. 35 hours and no end in sight -_-;

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 10:17 PM

I haven't even opened the original FF Tactics Advance. I don't know why I bought it, I don't even like FFT.

Rei no Otaku

08-26-2008, 10:21 PM

FFTA was a big disappointment for me. I thought FFT was ok, but FFTA was horrible.

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 10:22 PM

Maybe I'll just sell it. Rei, do you like the Mana series? If yes then what did you think of Sword?

Rei no Otaku

08-26-2008, 10:26 PM

Mana series is another one that has always been mediocre at best for me. Legend of Mana was a good bit of fun, but haven't liked any of the other games. I only played Sword a little, hated it, and never played it again. So can't say I'm the best judge of its quality.

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 10:29 PM

Well I really liked Secret of Mana, and I think Legend is decent (although I love the graphics), but I am not sure whether or not I should keep Sword since I have it sealed.

You never played Secret?

Rei no Otaku

08-26-2008, 10:30 PM

Missed that one. Never got a chance to play it back in the day.

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 10:32 PM

Square Enix is foolish not to release it on the DS.

Moxio

08-26-2008, 10:40 PM

FFTA and FFTA2 are fantastic games. However, if you didn't like FFT, don't bother.

Sword of Mana was eh.

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 10:44 PM

Yeah I felt like Disgaea fixed everything I disliked about FFT.

suko_32

08-26-2008, 10:46 PM

My Disgaea 3 from RosenQueen will probably be in tomorrow, while Tales of Vesperia CE from Amazon is up in the air. I really am tempted to go to stores tomorrow and just pick it up there. The problem is they don't have the CE.

willardhaven

08-26-2008, 11:04 PM

As long as you didn't order the guide with it I don't see why you wouldn't get it within 3-4 days.

kainzero

08-27-2008, 12:44 AM

i thought FFTA was wayyyyyy better than FFT. especially battle system-wise.

willardhaven

08-27-2008, 12:47 AM

Really. I might have to open my copy and give it a try.

Moxio

08-27-2008, 01:04 AM

Keep in mind: FFTA2 > FFTA.

willardhaven

08-27-2008, 01:13 AM

Hmmm, so I could sell the old and try the new.

fatbeer

08-27-2008, 01:34 AM

The newer Final Fantasy Tactics advance might have better battle mechanics(that's kinda expect since Final Fantasy Tactics for ps1 is the first one of series. So newer ones have a more refine or polish experience). But some of newer features are really annoying- unable to turn camera, stupid judges, removal of job points, battle animation are still slow(you can't skip them compare to any SRPG like Disgaea or Fire Emblem, heck even Chaos Wars have skip animation) and story have significantly changed to attract the younger Nintendo audience. I will glad take a bad localization then this.

Plus, the original Final Fantasy Tactics have amazing soundtrack with all orchestrated music.

ZerotypeX

08-27-2008, 01:44 AM

Plus, the original Final Fantasy Tactics have amazing soundtrack with all orchestrated music.

Loved the music so much, that I bought the soundtrack.

You guys think Disgaea 3 might be hard to find later? I want to get it, but I got a huge backlog and haven't even played the first and second one yet.

willardhaven

08-27-2008, 01:49 AM

I doubt it, Disgaea 1 and 2 are abundant.

Disgaea is better than FF Tactics in my opinion.

suko_32

08-27-2008, 01:54 AM

I doubt it too, at least not for a long time.

fatbeer

08-27-2008, 02:02 AM

I doubt Disgaea 3 will be hard to find. If it does, NIS will just reprint it.

EXStrike

08-27-2008, 02:08 AM

w00t w00t I just beat Lost Odyssey

But apparently I missed something so I don't have the Treasure Trove achievement =/ Wicked pissed. 980/1000.

fatbeer

08-27-2008, 02:16 AM

Your not the only, a lot of people are missing that treasure trove achievement. It's such as pain in the ass to get. Nothing is more fun than search every nook and cranny for a few treasure chest. Beating the ultimate boss is far easier than getting that achievement.

tiggerkiddo

08-27-2008, 02:21 AM

Anyone played Lunar 2: Eternal Blue? I have Silver Star Story Complete but I already know the entire story and want to see how Eternal Blue is.

Moxio

08-27-2008, 02:25 AM

Eternal Blue is awful.

fatbeer

08-27-2008, 02:37 AM

I won't exactly call Lunar Blue an awful game, it's more like a huge disappointment. The last one, Lunar Silver Story, set the bar so high with it's charming characters with it's traditional, yet simple battle system. When Lunar Blue came out the gameplay, game mechanics and even the story is almost identical as it's predecessor Lunar Silver Story. There was little or no change and many of it's fans were disappointed. I'm pretty sure if you play them by vice versa from Lunar Blue to Silver Story you will be more disappointed with Lunar Silver Story.

Some people might actually enjoy both if you like traditional ciche love story, boy save the world and get the girl, with some classic rpg gameplay.

Moxio

08-27-2008, 02:44 AM

Hm. I can respect that.

62t

08-27-2008, 02:46 AM

if you want a really awful game go play Lunar Dragon Song

Moxio

08-27-2008, 02:57 AM

Hahaha.

fatbeer

08-27-2008, 03:02 AM

I think that's one agreement that no one can argue. Lunar Dragon Song is a piece of turd. I wonder who thought it was fun to have two battle modes- one for experience and one for items/card? You have to work twice as hard for the price of one. Not to mention, the only source to gain a sizable source of money is by trading goods through various towns. And pressing the run buttons causes you to lose health.

I can't believe I beat that piece of shit.

willardhaven

08-27-2008, 10:41 AM

I didn't like either Lunar, but I know there are many people who love the series. I'm selling a perfect copy of Lunar EB if anyone wants it.

depascal22

08-27-2008, 11:09 AM

I'm another guy that doesn't understand all they hype about Lunar. I'm not saying the series is horrible but I don't see anything that wows me. SSSC is pretty cool because they put a map in there (along with that incredibly gay pendant) but does that distract from the game itself?

willardhaven

08-27-2008, 11:28 AM

The games are really antiquated at this point. Since they threw the analog control in on PS1 it holds up better than others but I found them to be wholly generic. The characters are super small on the screen too.

I don't think extras distract, I mean they released a fan edition with no extras. Also there was no pendant with SSSC, just a map and hardbound instruction book. The pendant and cardboard standees came with Eternal Blue.

Rei no Otaku

08-27-2008, 11:46 AM

What makes Lunar good is the characters. They were some of the more like able characters I've ever seen in a game.

depascal22

08-27-2008, 11:53 AM

I confused the games. It's been eight years since I've even seen the games in person so I'm not worried about it.

I should say the extras entice us to buy like any good extras should. The problem is, they should've spent the money on making a better game. At first, when I saw the map, I thought "Wow, this a company that's really trying to give us an immersive experience!" Then, I played and wondered how a SNES game got passed off for a PS1 game. Like you said, the characters are super small on the screen. I pointed all that out to my buddy (who was super proud that he managed to snag a copy even through they were still prevalent at stores) and he said "But look at the map. It's almost like you're on the adventure." I just chalked it up to him going through a divorce and delivered the bitch slap of the century. Well, not really, but I really wanted to.

willardhaven

08-27-2008, 12:02 PM

They are Sega Saturn games (Lunar SSSC being a Saturn remake of a Sega CD game). A lot of gamers wanted to play something that strayed from the Final Fantasy VII formula, and thus Lunar did fairly well in the U.S.

Like I said, try to find a friend who has them first since they're not for everyone. I couldn't get into either of them.

depascal22

08-27-2008, 12:08 PM

I forgot that SSSC came out for the Sega SD originally. That makes more sense. At the time, I was all about graphics though. I know it sounds shallow but I was just done with the old school type games at the time.

willardhaven

08-27-2008, 12:20 PM

Many of the older JRPGs just aren't fun anymore. Games like Chrono Trigger hold up well, but in my opinion they're in the minority.

kainzero

08-27-2008, 12:59 PM

Many of the older JRPGs just aren't fun anymore. Games like Chrono Trigger hold up well, but in my opinion they're in the minority.
I think a lot of the 16-bit games are still good, but not the PS1.

Still like my Lufia 2, FF4, MQ, and FF6, Soul Blazer, DQ5 and 6, Earthbound, Super Mario RPG, BOF1 and 2, Romancing SaGa 3, SoM and SD3...

8-bit was good too:
Crystalis, Destiny of an Emperor 1 and 2, DW1-4, FF1 and 3, Ultima: Quest of the Avatar. Pretty good for the NES even though there weren't that many RPGs.

It's just that when the PS came out and FF7 blew open the market, a lot of crap that was kept in Japan started coming out here.

willardhaven

08-27-2008, 01:05 PM

Yeah I remember a lot of crap. I never really got into the NES because my first console was Super NES (after Game Boy).

Mario RPG and Secret of mana are all still great games. Soul Blazer is still a lot of fun too, with an excellent soundtrack. FF IV was my favorite but I don't think it holds up unless you are considering the new DS version.

For many older JRPGs it was a "you had to be there" type of experience.

kainzero

08-27-2008, 01:58 PM

I think the FF4 DS version is worse than the SNES version. The dialogue is trash. I don't even understand the Mysidian legend anymore.

Rei no Otaku

08-27-2008, 02:12 PM

I prefer the graphics in the SNES version (not counting the cutscenes). I don't think the 3D graphics fit the game.

willardhaven

08-27-2008, 02:17 PM

I was going to sell off my copy of II and pick up the DS version, not a good idea?

62t

08-27-2008, 02:26 PM

FFII SNES is also eastype, so it is misisng a lot of stuff from the Japanese original.

StarKnightX

08-27-2008, 03:16 PM

I was going to sell off my copy of II and pick up the DS version, not a good idea?

If you were going to do that , you might be better off selling off 2 and getting either the PS1 Chronicles edition , or if you can't stand load times/ want some extra features , get the GBA edition.

Speaking of Lunar , I picked up both Lunars for the PS1 back when they first came out , cause those were two rpgs that I had always wanted to play but couldn't cause they were on the sega CD. I played and beat the first but have never played the second. Lunar does hold a special distinction for me as being only one of two (if I remember correctly) rpgs that I had to use a gameshark to beat cause it was too hard for me.

Anyone care to guess what the other one is? (Heres a hint , it was also on the PS1).

willardhaven

08-27-2008, 03:20 PM

Persona 2?

I had chronicles but I ended up getting sick of the load times. The GBA FF IV is really superior to DS? From every video I've seen, the DS version looks definitive.

StarKnightX

08-27-2008, 03:24 PM

Persona 2?

I had chronicles but I ended up getting sick of the load times. The GBA FF IV is really superior to DS? From every video I've seen, the DS version looks definitive.

Nope , older than that. Haven't actually played persona 2 yet (I did finally get a hold of it in a trade though) but plan to eventually.

Can't say whether the GBA version is superior to the DS version cause I don't have the DS version to compare (most review sites are saying the opposite) . Hopefully I'll get it for my birthday.:pray:

kainzero

08-27-2008, 03:50 PM

If you were going to do that , you might be better off selling off 2 and getting either the PS1 Chronicles edition , or if you can't stand load times/ want some extra features , get the GBA edition.
I would keep the SNES one, it seems like the best one. PS1 has load times and ugly graphics, and the GBA seems kinda buggy. Kain jumps and takes like 5 years to come back down, the weird consecutive turn bug...

willardhaven

08-27-2008, 03:56 PM

I think I'm just going to go with selling II and getting IV for the DS.

I don't think I'll ever be interested in replaying the SNES one (plus there are emulators), the DS edition seems like the best overall package (no bugs, harder difficulty).

depascal22

08-27-2008, 04:11 PM

I would recommend getting rid of the SNES one because of the shelf life. Eventually, it will go bad and be worthless. You might as well get your money for it now. I realize that the DS version will also suffer the same fate but at least it's brand new. I noticed that half of my old Genesis games are just paper weights and I'm pissed I didn't get rid of them earlier.

willardhaven

08-27-2008, 04:12 PM

DS games will probably last until we die.

depascal22

08-27-2008, 04:18 PM

willardhaven

08-27-2008, 04:23 PM

Well the SNES version is missing a lot of things, and many translations are completely wrong.

I just tried my SNES version and it still saves/loads, fancy that.

flow.of.soul

08-27-2008, 04:49 PM

I'd like to think so. That's why I would suggest the DS version over the SNES version. What sucks is that Square somehow made three different "definitive" versions of the same game. What to choose? SNES, GBA, or DS? All have something that they did better than the other two but none are head and shoulders above the other. It's kind of a mess and I hope this doesn't happen when the PSP gets more FFs.

Speaking of the PSP, when are we gonna get more remakes for it? I thought they were gonna keep going after I and II hit within a month of each other. I know VII is a pipe dream but where's VIII or IX? Those would be perfect for the PSP. At least, it got Crisis Core.

Square will definitely make more remakes. They like to make remakes instead of putting them on a download service (like PSN) because they can charge $30-40 instead of $10. Really I wish Square would spend there time on new games instead of these bad remakes with no extra content. More games like TWEWY would be amazing.

62t

08-27-2008, 04:51 PM

Square did relese some games on PSN in Japan. The problem is SCEA not getting the game here

StarKnightX

08-27-2008, 04:52 PM

I'd like to think so. That's why I would suggest the DS version over the SNES version. What sucks is that Square somehow made three different "definitive" versions of the same game. What to choose? SNES, GBA, or DS? All have something that they did better than the other two but none are head and shoulders above the other. It's kind of a mess and I hope this doesn't happen when the PSP gets more FFs.

Speaking of the PSP, when are we gonna get more remakes for it? I thought they were gonna keep going after I and II hit within a month of each other. I know VII is a pipe dream but where's VIII or IX? Those would be perfect for the PSP. At least, it got Crisis Core.

I was kind of wondering that too. I would think 7 , 8 and 9 would make sense to be remade on the PSP as opposed to the DS. I never understood why they bothered remaking 1 and 2 again for the PSP when they really didn't even change much from the GBA version.

Square also needs to give us remakes / ports of the rest of the saga series. I've really wanted to play the saga games and square seems to show little interest in doing anything with the series anymore.

flow.of.soul

08-27-2008, 04:57 PM

Square did relese some games on PSN in Japan. The problem is SCEA not getting the game here

Yes but they were none of their flagship titles. The only notable title that released on the PSN in Japan is Xenogears.

I was kind of wondering that too. I would think 7 , 8 and 9 would make sense to be remade on the PSP as opposed to the DS. I never understood why they bothered remaking 1 and 2 again for the PSP when they really didn't even change much from the GBA version.

Square also needs to give us remakes / ports of the rest of the saga series. I've really wanted to play the saga games and square seems to show little interest in doing anything with the series anymore.

Im am fairly positive that FFVIII and IX will not come to the PSP anytime soon since they can still be bought new for the ps1. Also they made alot of money off porting the ff1 and 2 separately to the PSP. They sold about twice the amount of copies compared to Dawn of Souls

62t

08-27-2008, 05:19 PM

Im am fairly positive that FFVIII and IX will not come to the PSP anytime soon since they can still be bought new for the ps1.

What happen in USA doesnt really matter to Square Japan

StarKnightX

08-27-2008, 05:33 PM

Yes but they were none of their flagship titles. The only notable title that released on the PSN in Japan is Xenogears.

Im am fairly positive that FFVIII and IX will not come to the PSP anytime soon since they can still be bought new for the ps1. Also they made alot of money off porting the ff1 and 2 separately to the PSP. They sold about twice the amount of copies compared to Dawn of Souls

Well I didn't actually expect them to come anytime soon , since I figured SE would remake the games in order (which they have done so far) so they probably won't get around to remaking 7-9 until the PSPs successor comes out , unless the PSP has a very long market life ala the original gameboy , which would be fine by me.

I am surprised though that 1 and 2 sold that well on the PSP. Especially over here , I could understand in japan since they love them some remakes and ports.

depascal22

08-27-2008, 05:53 PM

OK. I can wait for the PS1 FFs but what about III-VI?

Moxio

08-27-2008, 05:57 PM

IGN gives IU a 7.1.

Chacrana

08-27-2008, 06:00 PM

Oof. So those gameplay videos that made the game look crap were basically... it. Well that's a damn shame.

At least there's Tales of Vesperia to suck away my life for a while.

StarKnightX

08-27-2008, 06:04 PM

OK. I can wait for the PS1 FFs but what about III-VI?

We just got 3 and 4 , and although 5 and 6 haven't been announced I'm sure SE is already planning them. If your talking about for the PSP I have no idea. Cause if it wasn't for them releasing 1 and 2 on the PSP already , I wouldn't think they would've planned to release the older FF games on the PSP anyway.

Jest

08-27-2008, 06:19 PM

There will probably be FF ports for DS, PSP, DS2, PSP2, and so on seeing as SE likes money and people keep buying these games.

willardhaven

08-27-2008, 06:21 PM

Safe to say ToV mops the floor with IU.

As a fan of Tri-Ace I'm kind of disappointed with the art direction of IU. Their other games are much more pleasant to look at.

Rodimus

08-27-2008, 06:42 PM

Looks like the right choice is ToV. Still 7.1 isn't bad, I'll probably end up trying it during a video game drought that usually happens around Feb/March.

willardhaven

08-27-2008, 06:47 PM

Yeah I'm sure it's decent, but most action RPGs pale in comparison to team Symphonia's Tales entries.

kainzero

08-27-2008, 07:43 PM

What happen in USA doesnt really matter to Square Japan
Negative, sir.

One guy who worked for Square USA was the impetus in getting Front Mission released for the DS. Our QA team met him. Then we got mad at him for suggesting such a crappy game.

johnmirra

08-27-2008, 08:40 PM

Just had to mention that im about an hour into tales of vesperia and its great soo far. i have never played a tales game before and this one seems really good.

suko_32

08-27-2008, 08:41 PM

Just had to mention that im about an hour into tales of vesperia and its great soo far. i have never played a tales game before and this one seems really good.

I hate you. I have to wait till Friday :-(

I hope you enjoy it :)

johnmirra

08-27-2008, 08:43 PM

Its worth the wait i love everything about it so far

Rodimus

08-27-2008, 09:39 PM

Yes, Vesperia is great. If you have a 360 & love RPGs there's no reason not to play it.

Rei no Otaku

08-27-2008, 09:56 PM

Negative, sir.

One guy who worked for Square USA was the impetus in getting Front Mission released for the DS. Our QA team met him. Then we got mad at him for suggesting such a crappy game.
FM, a crappy game? What?

And yes, Vesperia is awesome.

hankmecrankme

08-27-2008, 10:00 PM

So IU isn't too hot? I'll wait for somebody to clear it out for $10.

Needsta get that ToV. . .

winterice

08-27-2008, 10:22 PM

Yea, IGN wasn't impressed with IU. I'm going to wait for a few more reviews but mostly likely I'm going to get ToV instead.

MSI Magus

08-27-2008, 10:25 PM

So hows Makai Kingdom? Is it closer to Disgaea or Phantom Brave(hated it!). Just borrowed from my neighbor but have been investing time instead in Mass Effect to see if I like it before I move.

flow.of.soul

08-27-2008, 10:45 PM

So hows Makai Kingdom? Is it closer to Disgaea or Phantom Brave(hated it!). Just borrowed from my neighbor but have been investing time instead in Mass Effect to see if I like it before I move.

From what I understand the battle system for Makai Kingdom is very similar to Phantom Brave's battle system

kainzero

08-27-2008, 11:11 PM

FM, a crappy game? What?

And yes, Vesperia is awesome.
yes. FM is crappy.
it might've had something to do with us playing it for 2 or 3 months.
i thought it was okay but everyone on the team hated it =)

johnmirra

08-28-2008, 12:02 AM

ToV has completely rejuvenated my love of jrpgs so i think im actually going to pick up Infinite Undiscovery. The ign review wasnt so bad that it seems unplayable.

Moxio

08-28-2008, 12:04 AM

I have the feeling that IU is solid, just that IGN were just hard on it.

I'm just pist it's so short.

johnmirra

08-28-2008, 12:06 AM

With the time im expecting to put into ToV and college starting soon ill take a shorter rpg to play once im finnished with Tales.

Rei no Otaku

08-28-2008, 02:20 AM

I have the feeling that IU is solid, just that IGN were just hard on it.

I'm just pist it's so short.
I agree. It looks pretty decent.

Chibi_Kaji

08-28-2008, 09:48 AM

So hows Makai Kingdom? Is it closer to Disgaea or Phantom Brave(hated it!). Just borrowed from my neighbor but have been investing time instead in Mass Effect to see if I like it before I move.

I never really got into the game myself... Maybe I'll pick up again one day and give it another shot.

depascal22

08-28-2008, 09:58 AM

IGN has a good review of Makai. I don't know if it's worth going through another SRPG but it sounds decent. Looks to be a combination of Disgaea and Phantom Brave.

suko_32

08-28-2008, 10:03 AM

I played a bit of Makai over the summer and it seems promising.

Jest

08-29-2008, 01:17 AM

I can't take Final Fantasy X anymore. Over the past few days put just over 11 hours into it but I'm done. Fuck this game.

ZerotypeX

08-29-2008, 01:29 AM

I can't take Final Fantasy X anymore. Over the past few days put just over 11 hours into it but I'm done. Fuck this game.

Why can't you take it anymore? What part are you on?

winterice

08-29-2008, 01:30 AM

For those of you who have ToV, when you change weapons and armors does the character's looks change too?

Rodimus

08-29-2008, 01:49 AM

For those of you who have ToV, when you change weapons and armors does the character's looks change too?

Only the weapons. But I'm guessing this might have some clothing items that will change the character's entire look. For example in Symphonia everyone had beach wear so the characters would run around in trunks & bikini's.

Jest

08-29-2008, 01:50 AM

Why can't you take it anymore? What part are you on?

Just got past the part where the Crusaders are setting the trap for Sin and he destroys them all. I can't stand these characters or the voice acting. The battle system is okay but I wish I had more control over the sphere grid and how I could set up the characters. I'll probably get around to finishing it later. I remember I didn't like it until about the area right before you go into the Ronso mountains (was it called the scar or something) the first time I tried to play through.

Sleep now. Tomorrow, FFXII?

Moxio

08-29-2008, 01:52 AM

Am I the only one who doesn't like that Yuri actually holds his sword sheath in his hand? He looks so stupid. >:O

Rei no Otaku

08-29-2008, 01:54 AM

Only the weapons. But I'm guessing this might have some clothing items that will change the character's entire look. For example in Symphonia everyone had beach wear so the characters would run around in trunks & bikini's.
Also the first armor piece changes as well. Yuri's gloves, Estelle's shield, Rita's book, etc.

Rodimus

08-29-2008, 01:56 AM

I think it's kinda cool. He's running around letting the world know, "Don't f*ck with me."

Also the first armor piece changes as well. Yuri's gloves, Estelle's shield, Rita's book, etc.

I didn't know that. I haven't acquired any new sub items yet. I guess they're far & few.

Rei no Otaku

08-29-2008, 02:00 AM

I didn't know that. I haven't acquired any new sub items yet. I guess they're far & few.
Yeah, I only just started getting them and I'm like 10 hours in. They have to be synthesized.

Rodimus

08-29-2008, 03:10 AM

I have a good question for everyone: Which RPG has your favorite story & why?

I would say Suikoden V. JRPGs always have the same "save the world from darkness" story. However SV was more of a political drama which made it less predictable and more engaging.

thelonepig

08-29-2008, 03:40 AM

I have a good question for everyone: Which RPG has your favorite story & why?

My first thoughts on this were Shadow Hearts: Covenant, DragonQuest VIII, and Persona 3. Sadly though, I quickly realized that while each of these games are in my top 10 RPGs none of them really have a story that blew me away - snippets of story and character development, yes, but not overall story. Earthbound, Chrono Trigger, and Final Fantasy IV all fit the bill too.

Me thinks I'll have to wait for some more discussion before I decide. Suikoden V was a good choice and I agree that the political edge of the story really helps it stand out, but it's still not my favorite story. Right now I'm leaning to Final Fantasy VI.

EDIT: By 'leaning to' I mean 'It'll probably change tomorrow. And the next day.'

Moxio

08-29-2008, 03:56 AM

I honestly liked BoFIV's; it wasn't super deep, but I really liked the atmosphere of the game and how the story really, REALLY fit in. Not to mention it was strengthened by fantastic characters and presented touching moments that twisted into themes of corruption and such.

Over easy

08-29-2008, 04:35 AM

I don't finish much of my RPGs anymore, so the list I have to choose from isn't very long. My all-time favorite is KOTOR. My second is probably Tales of Symphonia. The third is Valkyrie Profile (I played it on the PSP). The story for ToS and VP gave me an epic-ness feeling to it. Honorable mention for Fire Emblem. The story isn't anything great, but I had a lot of attachment to the characters.

The problem with the RPGs I played and haven't finish is that some games can take too long to finish. The story has to go with the flow for my levels. If I have to grind too much, then it disrupts the story, and I would lose interest to the story (and for the game as well).

As for the games that I actually didn't finish, FFVI is pretty high up. Mass Effect is pretty good. FFXII is not bad either.

On a side note, it just so happen that ToS and VP are first games that I play on their respective systems (GCN and PSP). ToV, when it finally ship and arrive, will also be my first 360 game. I don't know how much this would affect my rankings.

MSI Magus

08-29-2008, 08:53 AM

Easily the best story ever is Planescape Torment. There are no ifs ands or buts about it. I love Shadow Hearts Cov, FFX, FFT and many others. But no game even comes close to Planescape Torment. The game not only has a good basic plot but it delves into Philosphy and so many deep and crazy topics. Its the closest I have seen a games story come to a work of art. Like I said...no game even comes close to scratching it.

pete5883

08-29-2008, 09:38 AM

I would say Suikoden V. JRPGs always have the same "save the world from darkness" story. However SV was more of a political drama which made it less predictable and more engaging.
I don't remember it very well, but I thought SV's story was indistinguishable from the story of I, II, and IV. Some asshole is starting a war, win it. Whereas III, there was a good, interesting reason for starting a war other than 'rraaaaah I want to own everything.'

Stolen and repurposed:
Easily the best story ever is Xenogears. There are no ifs ands or buts about it. No game even comes close to Xenogears. The game not only has a good basic plot but it delves into Philosphy and so many deep and crazy topics. Its the closest I have seen a games story come to a work of art. Like I said...no game even comes close to scratching it.
I need to replay Planescape Torment though. Never got to the end :-#

depascal22

08-29-2008, 09:59 AM

KOTOR for the twist and for doing justice to the Star Wars brand. Yes, it's about saving the world but that twist puts it up there with any game I've finished.

Rei no Otaku

08-29-2008, 11:09 AM

Going to have to go with KOTOR. The twist was really well done. Also it doesn't have to be about saving the world. It can be about taking it over.

Krymner

08-29-2008, 12:12 PM

Man, I've forgotten all about Planescape Torment. That was an awesome game.

On that note, what ever happened to the D&D dungeon crawlers? There hasn't been any released in years. Games like Planescape, Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, Icewind Dale, Pools of Radiance, etc. Man, I've put TONS of hours into these games and would love to see some new ones.

willardhaven

08-29-2008, 12:15 PM

I don't think it's my absolute favorite, but I liked Dragon Quarter's story.

eswat

08-29-2008, 12:19 PM

My fav RPG stories (you'll notice I don't play a lot of older console RPGs):

Baldur's Gate II
Ranking it up high because I enjoyed the characters a lot. Easily one of BioWare's better stories.
Deus Ex
Yeah, it's mostly just a bunch of current conspiracy theories mashed up. But I enjoyed the story, and it had a realistic charm to it.
KOTOR
Took a while for something to pop in my head for #3. Like mentioned earlier, the twist was done well and the story still had remnants of what I love about BioWare RPGs: the character stories.

flow.of.soul

08-29-2008, 12:43 PM

I have a good question for everyone: Which RPG has your favorite story & why?

I have a bad habit of not finishing games so I dont have a big list to choose from. I would have to probably go with The World Ends With You since its setting and story are so unique compared to anything that I have ever played.

pimpinc333

08-29-2008, 12:56 PM

I know many of you might think this is dumb but I'm going with Final Fantasy VII. The Story was amazing. It really kept me wanted to know what will happen next.

KOTOR was also a amazing game and story. I was never the biggest fan of Star Wars but the story kept me entertained. The twist like everyone said was great.

Earthbound, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 2 and Final Fantasy 3 USA SNES were all great with there stories as well. Prolly my 4 favorite RPG's of all time.

Chacrana

08-29-2008, 01:21 PM

I'd say Xenogears had my favorite story, though Deus Ex is also up there for sure. I really need to play Deus Ex again...

depascal22

08-29-2008, 01:27 PM

Going to have to go with KOTOR. The twist was really well done. Also it doesn't have to be about saving the world. It can be about taking it over.

Very true. KOTOR gets bonus points for two completely different endings. Also, you can be a man or woman in the game and you get a slightly different feel to it.

Oh, and FFVII has a good story but it just doesn't make much sense even after Crisis Core and Advent Children.